Previous thread: >>5219304>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessoriesCRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x (embed) Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ (embed) Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ (embed) General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdfS-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W (embed) BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J (embed)JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY (embed)/crt/ Discord Server : https://discord.gg/EFWPCYEThread Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1HF1jPaNTZDupCn_GGtFuB3DxW5WFFd3yT4znmLA_cuU5oA/viewformCollaborative Consumer CRT Project Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd3_OraDPRRN_OzQ4r_-CqoNPR9J0r2KtFrpV6iuXdxM3DDJg/viewform
>live in a third-world country>our only TV is a pretty great Samsung SD CRT from 2008>we just won a free Samsung LED TV this Christmas>it's a crappy 720p one which is only good for your anime and sitcom needs, in an era when even 1080p is considered outdated>siblings and mom think it's a huge upgrade>stingy sister wants to get rid of our old CRT but I wanna keep it for retro vidya>brother prefers the shit 720p LED TV and so does my mom (the only thing I would ever watch on a 720p TV is native 720p content like anime and sitcoms)>it's just lying dormant in the bedroom for now, waiting for the day I finally get a retro consolePic unrelated but I saw this previous post on one of the generals and this TV is similar to mine.
The only CRTs I ever find are the shitty sets that only have rf and are missing half the face plate. What started out as wanting to play time crisis and house of the dead as evolved into sifting through garbage and online listings in my sleep. I don't know how much longer i can
>>5275049This is the exact reason why I don't wanna dispose my CRT.It's a really great model with Component and it's getting harder and harder to find these good CRTs.
I took a look around my local thrift stores yesterday. They have two Sony Trinitrons. A KD-32FS170 and KD-27FS170. They offered to give both of them to me. I want them. But the thing is... I don't need them. I have owned goliath CRTs before, ones much bigger than these other two. I have owned a CRT projector (which I gave away). I have other, smaller CRTs to satisfy my itch to play with them from time to time. I don't have a manner to move them (my back and neck is messed up from an accident, so that's out). Why.... CRT gods? Why do you mock me with this boon?>inb4 those are HD setsThey're not.
>>5275090I'd be down to snatch up that 27'', though preferably a FS130 instead.Something with a digital tuner to just leave running while working would be nice.Not being able to move them because you're injured is entirely understandable though.
>>5275152I think I am pretty much done with big CRTs with the exception of ever coming across a KV-40XBR800 or a AM-4201R. These are the ultimate CRTs imo. The XBR800 being a 4:3 HDTV is no matter to me.
>>5275343What's the matter, floor not strong enough?
>>5275352CRTs like that are unicorns. You can't buy them, they just exist in myth and legend at this point. AM-4201R is almost at that level itself. There are a couple of other colossal CRTs out there I have read about from time to time.
Good morning, friends. Just beat Goof Troop.
Hello! I must be considered a guest here, I guess, so please have some goodwill. Yesterday I picked up a Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 HM204DT for cheap. I am yet to estimate its overall condition, but geometry and roughly speaking the electronics seem to be fine. (I'm going to clean the housing later this day, too.) I know this is a pc crt device, but considering some adjustments here and there, will this be an ok item for retro consoling, guys?
>>5275545Sorry, totally forgot to post some details about this 22" CRT monitor: max. res is 2048x1536 and I know it is capable of up to 240hz (of course not at its max. resolution) - I used to play Quake 3 at 640x480@125hz back in the days.
>>5275545>>5275552>142kHz>retro consolingYou're not going to use the monitor's full potential at all if you're just going to use it for retro consoles via an upscaler. That monitor is incredibly good for modern games and overall desktop usage though. You could run that thing at 1600x1200@110Hz or even 1920x1440@90Hz.Consider yourself extremely lucky for finding that. I'm envious.You should try Quake at 1280x768@160Hz with that thing, it's fantastic.
>>5275568>You should try Quake at 1280x768@160Hzwhoops, it's 1024x768@160Hz for 4:3
>>5275568Yeah, I know: It'll shine for games like U/UT, Quake 1/2/3 and in general games built upon the old unreal and quake engines. That's actually what I bought it for. [Btw: I always preferred the lower resolutions, i.e. 640x480 for Q3 - care to elaborate why you'd prefer 1024x768?] But I was curious of this: Will I be fine with this monitor for retro consoles, too?
>>5275579With a line doubler that outputs rgbhv you'll be fine. You're better off having a dedicated SD display though as these super high TVL displays give a rather ugly image for 8-bit and 16-bit consoles
>>5275579>care to elaborate why you'd prefer 1024x768?It's capable of displaying it at that nice refresh rate and it's much more detailed than 640x480.>Will I be fine with this monitor for retro consoles, too?That monitor will sync to 31kHz minimum while retro consoles output a 15kHz signal. You would need an upscaler like the OSSC to convert the signal to something the monitor can sync up to, which is at least 31kHz. Consoles will be displayed at 480p so you won't get those fat scanlines that some people are after(I'm not).>>5275590> You're better off having a dedicated SD display though as these super high TVL displays give a rather ugly image for 8-bit and 16-bit consoles100% This. A consumer CRT TV with RGB(if you live in Europe) will give you a softer and more pleasant picture.
>>5275579>>5275597Ok, this is helpful guys, thanks. But would I need a line doubler OR indeed an upscaler? And: Please don't get mad at me: What is a 'SD display'? [I'm from the EU; Germanistan]
>>5275609A line doubler and an upscaler are terms that refer to pretty much the same thing. SD means Standard Definition, which is 480i (and 240p). Almost all CRT TVs that aren't the late High Definition models are SD televisions. Since you live in Germany, you can pick up almost any CRT television and enjoy beautiful RGB picture. Beware of the 100Hz models since they will have "motion blur" and will add a frame of lag, making lightgun games unplayable.
>>5275352I got an 88 lbs 27" off Kijiji, and that felt burdensome enough to go back to 20".
>>5275627 Very interesting. What's the criterion for avoiding the 100hz-model-trap for TVs you mentioned? As soon as 100hz is advertised, pass on it? But am I not supposed to go for some high-hz-model to enjoy flawless retro-consoling? Let's concentrate on Sony WEGA for example: Are these a no-no?
>>5275609A line doubler is essentially a very basic upscaler. It's also preferable for 240p content, as it skips most of the processing and traditional scaling that comes with "upscalers". 480i benefits from some of that additional processing, notably for more thorough/higher quality deinterlacing. At this point, the way to go would be to be either the Retrotink2x (paired with an HDMI->VGA DAC) on the cheaper end or the OSSC for the higher end option.>>5275717Consoles are only going to output either 50hz or 60hz, depending on region. 100hz implies it's taking said 50hz input and applying frame doubling and/or interpolation to reduce flicker. While that sounds like a good thing, it introduces various visual artifacts, as well as a delay which ruins compatiblity with light guns and the like.
>>5275597OSSC has a scanlines generator which can look fairly close to 240p
>>5275343From what I've heard, the AM4201R isn't as good as the Megaview 37 other than in screen real estate. There's a Megaview 37 on ebay right now for $3k+$150 shipping if you really want one.
>>5275875For the love of god, don't give that clown any business.Not even going into the fact they paid $500 for it just to flip.
First time testing Sony 8040 PVM
cleaned up the living room today lads
>>5275923Very nice set anon.Here are some pictures I took recently, It is a Sony KV-36FS120. 1/2
>>5276167Work in progress I hope?I think a consumer trinitron would look better in your living room.Get a nice TV stand and a good audio system and you're good to go.Also paint your walls.
>>5275875Size matters is all I can say. I've owned a dozen giant CRTs, including Megaview 37" (which I paid $30 at auction for six (6) of them at one point). $3000 is a bonkers number. I know where there are 36" televisions with component input for less than $100. I know if I looked around I could find another Megaview for probably free to $200. KV-40XBR800 televisions look amazing. You just have to have seen one in action to understand it. Mitsubishi and NEC presentation massive multimedia monitors can look great, but WEGA looks just that much better in terms of color and contrast. Lack of native 240 and 480 line resolution is no bother to me since I have more interest in moving on to more exotic scenarios where 1080i can be utilized. Not all for /vr/ purposes. Imagine playing modern PC games in 4:3 1440x1080i on a 40" Trinitron with a Super Fine Pitch tube. By the way, a 40" 4:3 image is still 20% larger area than a 40" 16:9 image. With more usable screen real estate. Some years down the road I bet the Gen Z is going to be complaining about how everyone right now is overlooking the HDTV CRTs because "muh scanlines" and they're all getting sent to the dump when they could be used for excellent displays for all kinds of other things (like watching hd releases of 4:3 television shows)
>>5275545Yes, it's very good and checks off several boxes>CRT>RGB>4:3That will go a long way. Lack of native 240p60 is unfortunate, but completely normal. But this anon is completely right >>5275568You are very lucky to acquire that monitor and the more you learn about this hobby the more you'll understand what you have. Retro games running with the right shaders through RetroArch will look very, very, very good.240p120 is possible on this monitor, but you will get slight blurring on moving objects. Try it yourself and see whether it bothers you. Forget upscalers and real hardware consoles. RetroArch output is vastly superior and more flexible.
>>5276272Those big consumer Sony can be had all day for free. Nobody really cares about those. Here's one right by mehttps://hartford.craigslist.org/zip/d/36-inch-sony-triniton-tv/6783148158.html
>>5276272Not much point to these. Modern TVs handle HD resolutions just as well or better without the host of other problems that CRTs can have. Also 1080p instead of 1080i max
>>5276628Indeed, but I am not looking for a 36" SDTV. IT's 40" high resolution or nothing.>>5276678They still have the great color, contrast, response time, and glassy smoothness of CRT video. They have viewing angles that surpass all LCD. OLED and Plasma could be interesting, and I do keep a lookout for a good used top-tier plasma to experiment with. Last year I nearly drove out of state to buy a 50" Pioneer unit before it was taken by another person nearby. 1080i is fine.
>>5276208Aw shucks thanks its my first crt. I'm gonna have to get a larger desk.
>>5276773In my experience HD CRTs don't look visually that different than modern TVs and still have input lag. Plus they tend to have geometry problems and other stuff that modern TVs don't have to deal with. If you get a good TV in this day and age, it could be straight up better.
>>5276208Nice pics btw this looks great.
>>5276287If you ask me 480p60 just looks better than 240p120. 2x integer scaling on a monitor that sharp just looks excellent and because of the super fine pitch you get thick scanlines if that's your thing.
>>5276779>In my experience HD CRTs don't look visually that different than modern TVs and still have input lag.Have you owned one or just seen it in public or at someone's house? In uncalibrated form being fed video from a cable box or satellite dish they are unremarkable compared to a LCD. But they have a higher potential, and once calibration and service menu adjustments are done the image is stunning. High-end LCD and Plasma can about equal it or surpass it in one way or another, but then there are things that the CRT just plain does better. CRT images have a type of contrast to them known in photography as micro-contrast* that I have never seen an LCD deliver. This gives a 3d feeling. *this is a rabbit hole, go down it and it might take some time to come back up
>>5276792I used to have an HD Trinitron but it was huge, heavy, had geometry issues and noticeable input lag. I eventually got rid of the thing. Didn't feel it was worth it.
>>5276804>had geometry issueswhat sort
>>5276792https://yannickkhong.com/blog/2016/2/8/micro-contrast-the-biggest-optical-luxury-of-the-world>Unlike measurable resolution, micro-contrast is perceptible not measurable. A lens with great micro-contrast can produce a photograph that appears to be life-like and tridimensional despite it being unsharp or out of focus.
>>5275545A golden toy - treat it well.
>>5275545please post some pictures of it running when you can, I'm in love
>>5275013wow so you've got the tv but no console eh? what console would you want first?
Has anyone made custom ROMs for games to remove the always present status bar and icons? I'm worried about burn-in with the permanent on screen items like in Mario 3 and SMW.
>>5276804I used to have 10 BVM-D32E1WUs I bought for $5 from an online auction. Sold them because I thought my 13" RCA had a better picture.
>>5276216Only a zoomer would want a consumer set to replace a professional set.
>>5277558You can't possibly think that a grey metal cube looks good in the living room.For one it's too small and too far away. What are you gonna do when people come over and they want to watch a movie?The pvm would look better in its own dedicated corner in front of an armchair and with a nice set of speakers on either side.
>>5276216I don't really like the look of those PVMs either, but he could easily make a small enclosure for it that would look nice.
Anyone can give some advice? I see two crts on craigslist. One is a Sony Trinitron that only has composite, the other is an Apex that has composite and s-video. Which one would be the better choice? I'm only using it for some retro games and anime.
Anyone have opinions on the PVM-1954Q CRT monitor? It's 19", and the owner is about 200 miles away in California. But considering the price they're selling it for, it might be worth making the drive to pick it up
>>5277603Not worth driving 200 miles for. You'll find something in your area, keep looking.
>>5277603Its just a 1954Q, not that great of a monitor. Hold off for something better.
>>5277603How good of a price? That's quite a drive, but at the right price and assuming you haven't had any luck locally if searching for a while, it might be worth looking into.>>5277586At this point, condition is everything. A fresh, lightly used but somewhat lower end set can be more desireable than a higher end set that's seen a lot of wear and tear.As a brand, the Sony is a much safer bet overall, but the quality increase of the Apex's S-Video over Composite would be welcomed, and you might prefer the look of a slotmask over an aperture grille(Trinitron). Does price come into play at all?
>>5277657>>5277672Thanks, guys. I appreiacte the advice>>5277675$50-100 depending on where the auction goes in the next day. I live in Reno, Nevada and there is absolutely 0 quality CRTs left on Craigslist & eBay local pickup. I also see a 14" PVM-14N5U which is more like a 150 mile drive but a bit more expensive. I specifically want a Sony PVM because of how they look, but if anyone has any recommendations that might be similar I could look into locally that'd be appreciated. I'm a complete newfag to CRTs outside of ones I had when young, so any advice would be appreciated. Mostly going to be playing NES-PSX games on it
Anyone got any opinions on Orion CRTs?Currently using a Beovison from the 80s, the RGB picture is nice, but just not as vivid or sharp as other CRTs I've seenWondering if Orions are any better, have the chance to pick up a SCART one.
>>5277197I'm planning my first console to be a PS2.I'm planning on using it for both PS1 and PS2 games, and I already have some discs for both of them.I might get some more afterwards.I also have a hand-me-down Model 1 Sega Genesis but it has no power adapter, AV cable (not even composite), no games and no Sega CD (mainly because most of the games I wanna play are on Sega CD like Snatcher, Night Trap, Lunar and Shining Force CD, the 32X can go fuck itself).I need to get them and an EverDrive first.
>>5277672I wouldn't say it's worth traveling 200 miles for, but it's a pretty good monitor.
>>5277778Pretty old early 90s PVM with only 600 TVL. Much better options out there. There's tons of PVM20M2MDUs/OEV203s out there, that's about the minimum I'd settle with
>>5277805What should I be asking for if pestering local broadcasting stations with old equipment?
>>5276272>KV-40XBR800Please... Consumer level TV with Svideo as the best input, not to mention lag from rescaling to HD. Not even in the same league as professional monitors..
>>5277813I'd just ask what they have for CRT monitors. Asking for specific monitor by models might miss something good.
>>5277813The monitors that anon is referring to are most commonly found at medical surplus auctions. I'd check those before ringing up TV stations.
>>5277863Of course, I'm just ringing up broadcast stations regardless. Any PVM/BVM would be acceptable at this point if it can run from PS/2 to component
where can I download 4:3 movies and tv shows
>>5277702Toshiba TVs in the 2000's were made by Orion and B&O were made by Philips. Orion seems like a no-name brand but they're good.
>>5277883I use forum.snahp.it used to be /r/megalinks
>>5277846>Consumer level TV with Svideo as the best inputI don't know what TV you're thinking of but it's not the 40XBR800. https://www.docs.sony.com/release/specs/KV40XBR800spec.pdfIt has DVI and Component input.However, I revisited the page for Sony Super Fine Pitch tubes and realized I had made an error of thinking the 40" set had a SFP tube when it did not, it only has the Hi-Scan tube (max visible resolution of 853x1080) , which I am actually fine with. The KV-36XS955 is the big 4:3 SPF tube. If I came across one of those I would probably take it.
>>5277675what game is this?
>>5277692https://www.f******k.com/marketplace/item/1139778089518899This looks like a KV-27FS170. It has component input.It's damned good CRT, anon. And a heck of a lot closer. Here's a 32" Trintron right there in Renohttps://www.f******k.com/marketplace/item/854020031453669
>>5277950Damn, it's free too. That might be a nice place to start. No fucking idea where I'd fit it in my room but I'll figure it out
>>5277950Correction: I think it's a KV-27FS120, not a 170. It doesn't have the SDTV logo up in the upper right corner. Still a SD CRT that will do very well for /vr/ gaming.
>>5277950Don't all those Wega's have input lag due to resizing?
>>5277950I have the exact same model. 27" is a good size and all too. Got mine for $10. 2 composite inputs, s-video and component.
First time RGB CRT owner here, I just want to make sure I pick up the right cables for this bad boy.I'm gonna need BNC breakout cables, does this model have external sync? (on pvm this is usually labeled "EXT SYNC") Where should I buy my cables?On top of that i'm gonna be utilizing Component as well, I just need 3 BNC to RCA adapters right? Do I need 75 ohm caps for this model (JVC TM-H1950CG) or nah? Anything else I could be forgetting?
What are some games I can use to show off my PVM?
I found a good quality 19" monitor at goodwill of all places, but the only place I can put it in my den is too far away from the couch. Its like looking at a gameboy screen. Moving shit around isn't an option. Are reading glasses like magnifying glasses. Would reading glasses work? Theyre like magnifying glasses you wear, right?
>>5278132>Theyre like magnifying glasses you wear, right?no. You're better off pulling up a chair close to the set.
>>5275923>had a filter that had vertical scanlines>thought it was malfunctioning>they were a real thingI feel fucking stupid now. It was working the whole time.
>>5278013Only the HDCRT "Hi-Scan" models.The FS130, 170, and 210 are all listed as such on wikipedia, but that list is wrong.>>5278115HD/Cs is for either the horizontal portion of RGBHV or composite sync for RGBS. Component should trigger as the third input button on the front; If not that, the fourth. The three adapters should be all that are necessary.I don't believe terminator caps are necessary for it, but don't quote me on that one.As for cableshttps://retro-access.com/ - only stocks what is available, so they go fast. Get listed early in the morning. Is apparently sick atm, so output maybe lower than usual. Only stocks console cables, but has direct to BNC as an option.https://www.ebay.com/usr/wookieewin - sells breakout cables, often paired with retro-access's cables. If you're going direct from console to monitor, no switches, you'd want a female SCART to BNC cable. Sync stripper is --not-- required for that monitor.http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/ - sells both console cables and breakouts. First two are US based, the last is obviously UK based.
>>5278137Well shit. Thanks anyhow.
>>5278116toejam and earl: panic on funktron
>>5278132People back in the day used to use these
>>5277863Are there any specific resources you use to find auctions?
>>5277813>What should I be asking for if pestering local broadcasting stations with old equipment?Don't bother. I tried doing this years ago and every studio I called had already scrapped all of their old CRTs, or just straight-up did not give a shit about some guy asking to root through their garbage. Ended up just being a huge waste of time/gas.
>>5278115>>5278142>http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/Stay away from these guys, unless you are going to buy their premium "pack-a-punch" cables or whatever they call them (and even those are too pricey). Their regular cables have basically no internal shielding and end up generating a ton of audio interference, although it depends on the game and your sound system, sooner or later, you WILL end up noticing it, and then you can never un-notice it.
>>5277813>>5278642There's still some out there. Last summer I got two for free.
>>5278659Serious question, why would you go to the trouble of buying one from the UK and not get the best one they sell? It seems silly to waste time and money on shipping and not get the best one.
>>5278793Because they didn't even used to have "the best ones", back when I bought my first cable from them. They were one of the only RGB cable purveyors back then, and they only had standard ones. After finding out how bad they were, I either bought from ebay or made my own.When they finally introduced them, I assumed that the "pack-a-punch" cables were just them finding a way to con more money out of the technologically-illiterate retro game enthusiast, but it turns out those are actually just the "decent" cables. And they're still not as nice as any of the ones I bought from ebay.So the long and short of it is: don't bother buying from them at all, I guess.
>>5278142Regarding the 40XBR800, is this set 1440 x 1080 or something else? I wanna play old computer games on it in 4:3 but should I instead look for soemthing else?
can anyone identify this and give me a rundown on the specs? I think its a BEKO
>>5278965You would want to send 1440x1080 to it as your selected resolution. That is the official supported resolution along with 1920x1080 leterboxed or cropped. It won't resolve the full 1440 pixels of detail but it will still look very good. An older(ish) computer game like Doom 3 would look phenomenal on such a TV. The 2 frames of lag would not be a big deal imo. RPGs would also look great.
>>5278965>but should I instead look for soemthing else?Forgot to respond to this part:Yes, you could look for the KD-36XS955. It's only a little smaller (but still an absolutely gigantic CRT) but it can resolve the full 1440x1080 resolution.Some of the big NEC or Mitsubishi monitors have high resolution capability and you should research those too. If you don't mind 16:9 there are other Super Fine Pitch CRT HDTVs to choose from:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA
anybody ever heard of this?
>>5279787I remember books!
>>5279787yeah a trap filter isn't uncommon or unheard of. Is that the manual for a sony pvm?
>>5279840No just a big fancy tv
>>5279787Trap filters are standard issue. If you’re hoping it will miraculously clean up a composite signal you will be disappointed.
>>5274970sad I could never beat Tyson ;_; and or ran out of quarters at the arcade when I was a kid.
>>5275049Play Time Crysis 4 on PS3 you dont need a CRT tv for it and its hella good with the Guncon controller.
Are there even Component or S-Video switches which aren't garbage? I've been looking everywhere and all I see is $100+ overkill and $20 garbage.
>>5279928an a/v receiver
>>5279938Feel like an idiot, I also happen to have one lying around as well. Thanks.
>>5279928The cheap 4 port monoprice component switches are super good, even though they are cheap. I had two before I went down the extron rabbit hole, and I was very happy with them.They are manual switching, and you can run composite through the green "Y" plugs if you want to use it for that.https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=3027
>>5280021no issues with colors/ghosting/input lag/etc?
IBM P275 (white edition)SONY fw900 (have two of them)Electron 22 blueCompaq p110Belinea 10 80 80I have so much monitors I dont even know what to do with them
>>5280135straight up ill like buy one from you.
>>5280135Gimme that fw900 and we'll call it a day
>>5280140>>5280143im in central europe and got them for almost nothing, i think its mostly cause not much people are hunting them here so you can still get them relatively cheap, if youre fast
>IBM P275I have a dozen or so in storage and I'm trying to get rid of them
>>5280135same, but I do some stuff with all of them. I just don't have any space anymore. That's 8 out of my 14 CRTs btw
>>5280421I really like the design of that Trinitron in the center. Don't think I've ever seen a CRT made to fit perfectly into a corner.
>>5280036A switch shouldn't do any of that. It isn't like a analog signal needs to figure out what it is doing in a meaningful way from a to b.You could essentially get a bunch of RCA y-cables and connect every system at once if you wanted (of course only turning on one at a time).
>>5279787It's the older, more basic/barebones version of the comb filters that were used on late 90s/early 00s sets for cleaning up composite.>>5280527A poor quality switch with shitty shielding, poor grounding, and garbage isolation can very much introduce artifacts and changes to the signal coming out. Noise and ringing from signal reflections and poor isolation are the big ones. Y-Cables would be especially prone to that.Lag wouldn't be an issue unless it's somehow holding and buffering the signal, which no decent switch should be doing.
>>5279928I use this one here.Got it not long ago and so far I can't complain too much about it.The only thing that bothers me is that's it's very light so I have to hold it down when I press a switch.
>>5274970Fuck yeah a thread for me. For consoles I mostly use a kind of shitty but huge rear-projection Sony Wega, but it doesn't look half bad if you're sitting far enough away and 4-player splitscreen is amazing. I used to use a Sony G420 before it bit the dust.Pic is computer monitors and other shit, got 2 more shelves full.
>>5279928Build your own.1. Drill holes in wood/aluminium panel in desired configuration2. Put RCA, S-video, etc. jacks in holes3. Wire all inputs to rotary switch/s + output ports. Make sure to ground everything properly or you'll be scratching your head for a while like some dumb fuck (me)4. Mount in a box or make some kind of enclosure
It may be slightly unrelated, but where do you guys store your arcade sticks when not in use? I got one of those fuckhuge sticks and don't know where to keep it(I use it to play MAME stuff on my CRT)
>>5279928I was about to recommend a really good one that I bought a while back, but I can't seem to find it, which made me realize I bought the damn thing over 10 years ago before HDMI took over everything.
>>5280135really nice lineup, that sony looks great. my g78 looks a lot like your p275. Im waiting to find another silver/black crt to replace this so I can put this one with the IBM thinkcentre when I have space for another station.
>>5280626>>5280847Thanks for the input, I've been unsure about how to tackle my setup because my friends and I have pooled our consoles together. The end result is that we basically have two of every console 3rd gen onwards. Got really lucky and found two free JVC D series (26" and 32") but even then thats only 2 Composite, 2 S-video, and 2 Component, when we need 2-3x that.
>>5281524With pleasure.I like >>5280847 idea a lot actually and I might do it myself if I get more consoles.
>>5281210>I got onelol I got 3 bigass and 3 small, and I'm always moving them around.Only one has a sorta storage place, under my desk on top of my subwoofer.
Thoughts on the RCA to the right? I like the size and it comes with a VCR
>>5282769very small and pretty old
oh no, it's happening again
>>5283000I don't care what unshaved goons on the internet say
>>5274970I recently bought a refurbished Sony FW900. I wish I had that kind of money when this baby was new.
>>5275545I got the same to replace my now broken FW900. I use it with interlaced resolutions to get the highest refresh rates. In my experience you need a very good quality VGA cable (absolutely no adapters) and set the sharpness in the service menu. Get a colorimeter and displaycal for accurate gamma. Otherwise just set it to what looks right.The kind of on and off contrast this thing puts out is insane. Super bright and perfect black levels. Unfortunately it's a bit less sharp and clear than my FW900, but it also does much higher refresh rates. In fact I got it to work at 375Hz at 800x600i in CSGO. I prefer higher resolutions though. For desktop usage I like either 1920x1440 or 2560x1920, which it doesn't resolve fully, but still looks way sharper and better than 1440i.You can also do crazy high resolutions like 3000x2250 at 81Hz, which actually looks really good.
>>5279928Have a really nice pelican bay switcher. It's pretty dope but I forked over 50 bucks and got an extron
>>5283020It drives prices up when people talk about shit like this, that's why you see people listing the shittiest, most depressing crt tvs on ebay for hundreds of dollars, and that's not counting shipping.
>>5283097You gotta find the boomers
>>5283068>You can also do crazy high resolutions like 3000x2250 at 81Hz, which actually looks really goodprobably shouldn't do this, the dot pitch definitely isn't low enough to resolve this
how can I rgb mod my chintendo vii?
How does /crt/ feel about the late Vitek models from around 2005-2006?
Is s video really that much better than composite?
>>5283554it pretty much eliminates dot crawl, so yeah
>>5283564For that to work it needs to be a continuous link, right? I mean, I can't just get a S-Video Plug to 3 RCA plugs in order to make my real NES dot-crawl-free, or can I?
>>5283580fella I think you're confused
Is it possible to connect a PVM with RGB to a PC (old Thinkpad) with VGA? I've read some stuff about sync and I'm starting to think finding a VGA CRT monitor would be a better choice
>>5283152Yup, but this monitor somehow gets sharper the higher res you go. The FW900 was fine at 1920x1200, this isn't sharp at 1920x1440.Also vertically it does resolve it. You can also somewhat resolve information smaller than the grille pitch, at least to a point. I can see around 1900 to 2000 horizontal lines before they blur together even if there are only 1600 to 1700 stripes
n/m on the nes s-video thing, I guess that's what mods are for..or emulators.
>>5283641It's possible but from what I understand it's a massive headache that's not worth it.
>>5283670Ok. I'm looking for a CRT I can not only connect to my old PSX but also my Thinkpad via VGA for watching media content. Is there anything out there I should be looking for or will I have to choose one or the other?
>>5283674As someone who's been in the exact same position as you, your best bet would be a pro monitor. But even then, you'd have to configure a bunch of shit on your Thinkpad make sure it even displays (even if it supports 31khz). I'd imagine a far easier solution would be getting a system that works well as a media center and can output RGB/Component. The OG Xbox immediately comes to mind.
>>5283690That's an interesting idea. I've heard about people modding Xbox's to run custom firmware and such. I wonder if it'd be capable of storing video files locally. I mean honestly if they were actually possible to find around me I'd just buy an FW-900 and call it good but I'm sure you know how that goes.
>>5279928Not this anon but I'm in this situation as well. What about S-video switches? I have like 6 consoles that need S-vdieo and 2 inputs on my TV.
>>5283000>130k viewsI'm not concerned
>>5279787On my old AM-3501R there was a "notch" button that activated a notch filter, which did reduce dot crawl. But it also made the image blurrier. This is supposed to be some evolution from that, but I bet it still degrades the image. >with some marginal program material the trap circuit may yield the best picture>normally, however, you would leave the trap in the up or down positiontl:dr it's noise reductionYou're not going to be feeding a marginal picture, so you should leave it off all of the time.
Just got it, I see a lot of potential for the image. Didn't mess with it at all, just turned on and left home to run errands. The image is very tilted to the right, I've read about a tilt correction setting on trinitrons? What would be the service menu options to correct it? Model is KV-34FV15B
>>5283554S-video is the largest noticeable jump in video quality. If your TV supports it, there's no reason not to spend $5 to $10 on some s-video cords.
>>5277945Guilty Gear: The Missing Link
Update from this >>5284017I'm getting some screen shaking (?) when thunder strikes on Super Metroid (vid related), and also when the screen is showing static the menu gets a little shaky. Thoughts?
>>5284363Horizontal collapse is imminent. You'll need to have components replaced in the horizontal deflection circuit.
>>5284404Goddammit. I'm getting really tired of CRTs.
>>5284017Was this the one in Reno?
>>5284404>imminentIt could go like this for years.
>>5284363You win some, you lose some. Just keep looking.
>>5279579>That is the official supported resolution along with 1920x1080 leterboxedwhen its letter boxed what is the actual resolution between the upper and lower boxes? 720? i cant imagine its actually fully 1080
>>5283000>>5283097I watched that earlier, I don't hate him as much as most people that do those sorts of videos. He doesn't recommend paying high prices, says to avoid eBay, and tells people not to try to sell their old average CRTs for a lot of money. He doesn't say anything like "NOW IS THE TIME TO GET YOUR ULTIMATE CRT MONITOR GO NOW," more than anything it's just a sort of a look at why some people love CRTs despite their drawbacks. Overall not a terrible video.Now, "My Life In Gaming," that's a channel that needs to stop. They outright encourage spending absurd amounts of money on PVMs and whatnot.
I recently got a 17" Apple Studio Monitor for $10 from someone at work and have some questions about it. Pic related, but not my pic. The monitor has a proprietary ADC connector. Does anyone know exactly what I need to hook this up to a PC? I can use DVI or VGA. I'm seeing conflicting reports on how to hook it up so I'm hoping someone here had done similar. I really appreciate any help or info.Supposedly this has a diamondtron tube so I'm pretty excited to see it in action.
Finally got the good video cables
>>5284667It depends on how it does it, whether it squeezes the raster or just digitally shrinks it. Either way it won't be 1080 due to the limitations of the screen pitch.
the meme monitor showed up on craigslist. I don't really want to spend this much on it because I've already got so many 13 inchers, but I do love how it looks.Is this one of you?
>>5284404>>5284591>>5284587Turns out it isn't that. This set is a Flat, and doing some research, those are quite more prone to geometry issues than regular curved sets. I usually set Contrast pretty much to max, or close to it, and in doing that I was making it that much worse.If I put the contrast way down, the bouncing effect pretty much stops, but then the picture looks like shit. I've been messing with service menu for about an hour to find a happy medium. Any suggestion to make the image look good without a lot of contrast?
>>5285808what they said is exactly whats wrong, but yeah turning contrast/brightness down makes it not work as hard so it can handle itgood luck on your consumer crt endeavors
>>5285632Map is my neighborhood :)
>>5285082Got a Studio 21 (Trinitron) myself.It's nice quality but you won't be able to adjust colour or luminance without OSX or OS9. It may work in a VM but I haven't been bothered to find out.
>>5285632Honestly that's worth it for $100. It's an unusual model and if it's in as good condition as they say pretty uncommon too. I'd pay that much for one.
>>5285854meet me at the zoo>>5285893I am considering it. I've heard it doesn't have a very sharp image, though (like 350tvl or in the ballpark)
>>5285905Pic related is KX-14CP1 over RGB from Sega Saturn.
I'm a brainlet, can someone explain to me in simple terms how TVL works?
>>5285941TVL is a measure of how many lines you can still tell apart on the screen before they blur togetherhigher is not always better though
>>5285808>set is a Flat, and doing some research, those are quite more prone to geometry issues than regular curved sets. I usually set Contrast pretty much to max, or close to it, and in doing that I was making it that much worse.>If I put the contrast way doThe only thing I could say is either play in a darker room, or alternately the flyback usually has an adjustment knob you can turn with a screwdriver. That may help if your set isn't as bright as you would like.
>>5285956>higher is not always better thoughNot for games at least. For DVD or high res stuff, higher is almost always better. For games it gets to the point that pixels are emulator sharp and can detract from the look.
>>5285956I thought it was something to do with a measure of how many lines are in relation to the horizontal and vertical length of the screen or some shit?from wiki:TVL is defined as the maximum number of alternating light and dark vertical lines that can be resolved per picture height.
>>5285991Lines of horizontal resolution. Analog is weird, you don't really need to worry about it. The thing to know is that extra-sharp high tvl sets will have more prominent 240p scanlines, which can actually get to the point where it looks bad.
was the KV-__XBR250 the last sd xbr model?
>>5285991Isn't that the same thing? Does anyone know how these are defined? I can tell around 2000 lines on good CRT monitors, does that mean they would get a 2000 TVL spec? Are the good professional monitors that much worse or is it just a very strict spec?Do the 1000 TVL monitors still resolve 1200 or not?
>>5286102Yes. XBR200 and 250 were the only flat SD XBRs. Everything else is HD.>>5286552TVL is calculated horizontally by a measure of the height of the screen. An alternative explaination for the measurement would be 75% of the horizontal size of a 4:3 display (since that would then be 3:3).As such, if you want to get the horizontal resolution of a 1000TVL 4:3 tube, you'd multiply the TVL rating by 1.33, giving an effective resolution ~1333 by [actual display resolution](480p/720p/etc). To go from horizontal resolution to TVL, multiply by .75.It's worth noting this measurement is only for absolute definition. You can push horizontal resolutions higher than this number and still get a clear picture, just without the ability to differentiate each explicit piece of detail on a line from the one next to it. A slight drop in contrast/aliasing as you creep over it, but not much else.As an example, the wide BVMs would have a technical horizontal resolution of something like 1770x[resolution], ignoring possible limits imposed by the signal chain. (16/9 = 1.777... x 1000tvl = 1777...). For the FW900, it doesn't have a line count disclosed explicitly, but it's prime res is listed to be 1920x1200, so lets take that as it's horizontal resolution: 16/10 = 1.6 | 1920/1.6 = 1200. The only real way to work out how true these two numbers would be would be to go ahead and actually count out said line count.
>>5285632I would jump on it.Last time I saw that model around here was for 500€.100$ sounds like a completely reasonable price for it all things considered.And who knows, if it's indeed a fellow /CRT/ anon you might get an even cheaper deal on it.I know I'd sell one of my PVMemes for cheap to any of you.
>>5286707I meant vertically. The FW900 probably does resolve 2000 lines vertically, just not 3200 horizontally because of the AG. I guess electrically it could.I think it's more a question of the MTF. How much contrast is required before we can say that it resolves a certain resolution.
Nvm, I thought TVL was a vertical spec, not horizontal.
I have some weird color issue on my Magnavox. I'll take some photos later. The left side of the TV will sometimes appear slightly darker and more bluish while the right side will display more red/pinkish. The effect comes and goes. It isn't very noticeable when playing 3D games but super noticeable when looking at a mono color screen (especially white) or scrolling in a 2D game. Does that sound like something that could be fixed with a degaussing coil?
>>5286707thanks m8, do u know the answer for this btw?>>5284667>>5285197
Why is no one making convex curved monitors? I'd dump my CRT in a heartbeat for one. I'm already pleased with modern response rates, black levels and color reproduction. I just want genuine, non-simulated curvature.
Some guy posted in /v/ earlier with pic related. I just bought the PS4 ports, but it got me thinking about just playing originals via RGB.Can anyone speak to how they compare? Can't do side-by-side comparison atm
>>5287436HD runs at 1080p and 60 FPS but certain gameplay elements are broken because of the framerate. All other graphical stuff is intact as far as I know
>>5287589Yeah, the HD version looks pretty nice on my TV. Just curious if the SD version on a CRT has a bit more charm, or if its nostalgia goggles
>>5287208The 4:3 HD CRTs(as well as the SD sets with the option) use vertical compression. The raster itself is physically squeezed down to a 16:9 ratio; The letterboxing is not baked into the signal unless it's on the part of whatever source you're feeding.In regards to the resolution you'd want to send it, 1920x1080i would be the one it's expecting, but it should be possible to uncompress the image if you wanted to feed 1440x1080i instead, if I'm remembering a bit of fucking around on my own HD set correctly. Note: the various geometry adjustments, especially regarding linearity may not be able to properly adjust the image in this mode, so your mileage may vary.This is an interlaced resolution though, obviously, so it's going to effectively be 1920x540 for each field. If you try the 4:3 1440 approach, messing around with 1440x540 or similar might give nicer results.
>>5287702>The raster itself is physically squeezed down to a 16:9 ratioBrainlet here, no idea what this means. Also if I feed it a 1920 x 1080i signal and then it compresses it by adding black boxes you mean that the new HD signal will be 540 and not 1080 when you subtract the black boxes?
>>5285632You could flip it for $300 instantly on ebay. Maybe more. Faggots with more money than sense will be it for the a e s t h e t i c
>>5285905>I've heard it doesn't have a very sharp imageWhat you heard was wrong. It has a very good and sharp image. Just about the right screen pitch for old games or anime where you'll see some scanlines but they won't be too strong.
>>5287747There are no black boxes added. The raster is the image actually being drawn to the CRT; When I say that it is squeezed down, instead of starting to draw lines of video at the top of the tube, to give you a 4:3 image, it starts lower down and draws them closer together, so that nothing is drawn in the black portion.You're still getting the full 1080i vertical resolution, not less. Think of it like making a sandwich. If you press the sandwich together to flatten it out, all the layers of meat/bread/etc are still there, just thinner and giving the look of being wider.The reason I mention 540 is because it is an interlaced resolution, meaning the full image isn't being drawn in one go, it takes 2 passes to draw the full frame, just like with 480i on a standard definition set. Two passes of 540 is 1080, the full frame size.tl;dr - No, you're not losing resolution from black boxes, so long as whatever you're feeding the TV doesn't already have said black boxes.
>>5287779I was under the impression that the maximum vertical resolution on the xbr800 was 1080 in 4:3 mode so im having trouble wrapping my head around it being able to do the same res with top and bottom letterboxes.Speaking of which, what was the actual resolution of those old specialized widescreen letterbox edition vhs tapes?
Just got my JVC-TM1950CG, Everything seems to be working but one side has a slight color fade. Is this something that can be calibrated or is it dead jim?
>>5287975Nevermind, seems like it sorted itself out? Anyway the fucker is WAY bigger than I thought it would be, but it's in great condition! I'll get a lot of love out of it for sure.
>>5287606As long as you have a nice TV, the HD version should be fine.
can I get a redpill on DLP televisions
>>5287872>so im having trouble wrapping my head around it being able to do the same res with top and bottom letterboxesSee picture related. The letterboxing done when doing 1080i is not using baked in letterboxing. That portion of the screen is literally not being drawn to; Each of the lines of video that would be drawn for fullscreen 4:3 is still being drawn, they're just pressed closer together. This squeezing down is what makes the image look like proper 16:9 video and not overly tall. The left shows how it would draw the theoretical >should be possible to uncompress the image if you wanted to feed 1440x1080i insteadidea.The right shows how it would regularly draw the 1920x1080i image with vertical compression. All 1080 lines are still being drawn, just closer together.>specialized widescreen letterbox edition vhs tapesIf the letter boxing is baked into the VHS, as in, they specifically put black bars into the video on the tape itself, you'd be going to have a vertical resolution of something like 360i. If it's labeled as being "anamorphic" widescreen, it'd be the full 480i vertical resolution and function via the same general method of the above discussed "vertical compression".
>>5285632>the meme monitor showed up on craigslistExcept that's not it and $100 is about what it's worth nowadays. They're nice if a touch soft, but have fun paying $60+ for a RGB cable for one.Pic related is the meme monitor you're most likely thinking of.
>>5288214again, im confused because I thought that the vertical resolution was fixed at 1080 on the xbr800 and thus if the black bars on the top and bottom were present, regardless of how they get there, that the image between them could not possibly be 1080 lines. At least not without some lines being impossible to resolve.
>>5288489you don't seem to understand how a crt draws an image let alone the concept being discussed.
I got this based boi over Christmas. Asked my family if they had a crt lying around and sure enough they did and gladly gave it away.Hooked a pi up and running roms in 16:10.
>>5288640care to enlighten me?
>>5287779>you're not losing resolution from black boxesOn an aperture grille this is true for the most part. Although since the image is smaller you're still losing some practical level of detail at the same distance from the screen, and I'm not sure about the ability of the CRT to be able to focus tightly enough to preserve the full 1080 lines of quality. On a shadow mask I think you'd for sure lose resolved detail due to the relative pitch going up. I still kind of want to try playing centered 1:1 ratio 320x240 on a 36" SDTV with a shadow mask to see how it compares to a TV of about the same size.
>>5288461KV-1311 is the NA version. Exact same tube afaik. I'd prefer 1311 since it's 60hz on the s-video in.
>>5288749correction: the 1311CR doesn't have s-video. That's the 1390.
>>5288763looking for a crt wat do u reccomend. cheapest best one
>>5288719crt screens don't have a native resolution. the 1080 is just the number of lines it is trying to draw. When it shrinks the raster, it attempts to resolve those 1080 lines in a smaller space -- as if the entire crt were smaller. The electron gun can do this just fine, it just has to increment a smaller distance between lines. So the crt certainly displays 1080 lines. The question of whether those lines overlap is a question of its dot pitch or tvl (tvl is determined by dot pitch more or less).
>>5288461>paying $60+ for a RGB cableBasically what I have to do with my megadrive in order to connect it to my PVMeme.I'm seriously considering doing the PAL 60Hz composite mod instead.
>>5288461>>5288758>>5288763I'm the OP and it just so happens that I've already got a sony 34pin to scart rgb adapter. Pic related was my prototype worked well
How important are scanlines to you guys? Does the lack of thick scanlines make a CRT undesirable for you or are you only concerned with rendering the games in their proper resolution?
>>5288919Native resolution + very thin scanlines looks the best to me.
>>5285082For the ADC one it's not gonna be easy to hook up to a PC, if you have no interest in the era of Macs it's compatible with directly I'd recommend selling it on to someone who does. Directly it's compatible with a Power Mac G4 except for the ones before the Gigabit Ethernet, and Power Mac G5s except the final PCIe model.To hook it up to a PC without cutting/soldering stuff, you'd need to find one of the third party DVI to ADC converters/power bricks, not the official Apple one, that didn't pass through analogue and doesn't supply enough power. With cutting can chop the cable, splice it to a VGA cable + 24-28V power brick + USB cable. You'll still need a Mac to control the monitor's settings, maaaybe a VM if they kept the drivers through to Intel OS X.
>>5288803>cheapest best oneA consumer Trinitron off of your local classifieds/craigslist/letgo/fb marketplace.
Quick question.I've had an old RCA brand CRT sitting around doing nothing. I just recently got some retro consoles to hook up. It only has a coaxial input so I'm forced to use an RF box to hook everything up. The RF box does have an S-Video input, but since it's being converted to coaxial should I be seeing a drop in video quality because of it? If so, is there anyway I can mod the TV so that it has an S-Video input?
Euro tubelet, do you know where I can find a 25" CRT for my arcade cab, please? New ideally, but I guess you can't find them new anymore...
>>5290106The end result will be RF and will look as such. It might look a smidge better than using straight RF out of the console cause some consoles have shoddy modulators but it'll still be RF. Just get a TV with s-video and component, they're plentiful and cheap/free.
I was just given a TV and one of the speakers isn't working. Is this something easy to fix?
>>5289086Thanks for the info.Shit man, I'm seriously bummed out on this. It's a freakin diamondtron, supposed to look good, coupled with that sexy clear case. This thing is a true beauty, they literally have them in some design museums. The problem is, the computers required to power them are so underpowered that in 2019 all I would likely be able to do is watch dvds or listen to music on them.This is sad and I suppose an example of apple. They have the potential to make really cool things, but somehow manage to nerf them so they are useless in a few years time. I guess I'll just set it on a shelf and keep an eye out for a super cheap g4 or g5 to use it with. Don't get me wrong, I've found one for about $100 near me. I can afford it, but it seems utterly silly to do so for a 16" viewable screen to watch dvds on.Just look at pic related, that thing is pure sex to a crt fanatic.
>>5290478is there any way you could just mod it to feed a signal to the guns directly and bypass apples gay shit?
is this a CRT? $25 on cl
>>5288758I've never seen a TV take an IDE cable before that blows my mind
>>5290421To clarify, it seems to be an issue of not being able to play sounds in mono or something. If I switch the audio cable to the other sound jack, it will play that one just fine.Anyone know any external speakers that will just werk?
>>5290845that's not a crt, it's an lcd.
I know it's not rgb wired, but there's been an rca colortrak for sale near me for nearly a year and I just want to get it and make sure.
Any way to fix the black level on a Sony GDM-C520K or G520?
>>5291374Get it anyway. With s-video, shadow mask, round tube, and console design it's a near-perfect /vr/ TV. I'd trade my PVM for it in a second.
>>5291476and regret it
>>5291480I've owned several of both and I'd trade any PVM 19" or smaller for a 25" console television with S-video. If it was a PVM-2530 I probably would not, but I don't own one of those right now.
>tfw I have a really good Sony Trinitron but it only has compositeit hurts
>>5291457Too dark, or green/grey blacks even at 0 brightness?
Is this worth picking up?I can literally go and pick it up on foot.
>>5291643What kind of inputs does it have?
>>5291647No idea, I have no idea what model it is or what it has and neither does the owner.Found this on google.
>>5291670>>5291643US/NA or Europe or Aus?. The Teletext mention makes me think one of the latter two.Based on the US models I've seen, I'd say likely a 20'' model. How much are they asking, and do you have any other tube currently?
>>5291893I have no other tube, and I'm European so my choices are limited.Is it a bad choice? It's definitely a Sony Trinitron.
i have a beovision mx1500 like the one in pic related. the scart is really weird though, so whenever the wire wiggles just a little bit the picture goes. it is really annoying because just placing your drink usually means you have to wiggle the cable to make it work again. i've tried rubbing alcohol on the connector but it didnt seem to work. has anyone here tried something similar? how do i fix it?
>>5291896How much are they asking for it?It'd likely have at least a decent picture, but I can't comment on whether it'd have a SCART input (it should, but..) because of the integrated VCR, but I'd expect it to be awwwwright at the bare minimum.At the very least, it'd be a neat little set to have.
>>5291905open and resolder the plug
>>5291930The owner has no idea of its worth so they're asking for an offer, how much is it worth?
>>529194810€ absolute max
>>5291945Isn't that really dangerous?
>>5291953Is it a bad purchase? It's a Sony Trinitron, I thought /vr/ loved those.
>>5291930hey kya, whats the best, fastest way to transcode/convert FROM component to RGB?
>>5291971it's still a crt tv, and in europe everthing has scart so RGB isn't an issue. Also it's a combo, and almost no one seeks a combo.But it is a sony tv so it has a bit more value. But just a bit.
>>5291989What's wrong with the combo TVs? Do they suck?
>>5291993heavier and drive often fails, so obviously harder to repair
>>5292016How heavy are we talking? I want to put it on a table that doesn't offer too much support.
>>5292023Like, 2-3kg more. Also bulkier.I mean, it's not a lot, but just don't plan to move it for going to conventions or tournies, you're gonna be annoyed fast. For home usage it will be fine.
>>5291374I wonder if anyone's ever bothered modding the Multiport input to be SCART compatible.
>>5291615Grey at 0 brightness.
>>5292117Windas time. Sony has the G2 setting controlled in software, and automated at that; It drifts overtime, and ruins your black level.Using either an WinXP based PC, or at least a VM, and a USB to serial adapter, you can go in and adjust it back to proper levels.>>5291975Resolution requirements? Preferred connector type?Any transcoder that is ONLY a transcoder is going to be just as fast as any other, essentially lagless.
>>5292225I tried using the C520K puck in XP and Mac VMs with no luck. Is Windas better supported?
>>5291670Do you have a VHS hooked up to your TV that already has a VHS?
>>5292245The Artisan software is completely different and separate from WinDAS as far as I'm aware.WinDAS is also a general Sony PC CRT thing, not specific to the C520k like Artisan is.
Sup guys. I just copped an SNES and also recently bought an L desk for more room and I want to use the empty space not taken up by my monitor as a little retro gaming set up on the side. What are some decent small CRTs I can put on a desk? So if for whatever reason I feel like playing some Yoshi's Island I can just swivel over and start playing. pic related is what i'm working with, just imagine those plants and books are an empty space.
>>5292225would need to handle 240p and 480i, im tryin to convince the diaper guy on /v/ to make a switch over from his current setupI tried googling for some transcoders and couldnt find any that went TO rgb, they were all rgb>component, any help is appreciated, thanks.
A couple questions:1. What are some good aftermarket Wii component (or RGB) cables?2. Is RGB an improvement over the Wii's component output?3. Is it possible to output both of the above as 240p?
Any good RGB to YUV converters that aren't super expensive?
>>5292376Get the officials, they're just as easy to come by. Or if not, whatever cable looks chunky. Wii cables are hard to fuck up.
>>5290421>>5290951Upon doing more research, it seems it's an issue with the TV not being able to recognize mono sound from the Sega Genesis. Using a 3.5mm to RCA cable in the Genesis headphone port could potentially solve the issue by playing the sounds in stereo.
>>5292274Go on your local second hand websites and see what you have to work with
Replacement survey for the one in the OP. Will swap them out next thread.https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdef7fUnzXCUR1o3LBBgv52MqQdR5hOb60FscYZLOaTq0xDCA/viewform?usp=sf_link
>>5292873bro plz answer, connection type is gonan be RCA style input and either scart or bnc output>>5292339
>>5292376I got a couple monster brand component cables for $7 each. Pretty good.
>>5292274I'd say just look. 13" is probably about as big as desk will let you have, but 20" might work. I'd say go for a consumer set that has s-video (component would be nice too, but not for snes). S-video looks pretty good on snes and allows you a little better quality.
>>5292564Retrotek. It's like $80 but works flawlessly. It's a bit expensive, but not horrible.
>>5292376I use rocketfish component cables. Got them for 10 bucksRGB isn't really better than Component, especially for the Wii since it won't let you use RGB unless you have a European or modded system and it normally only let's you do 480i max.Yes
Anyone in the Eastern PA, NJ, DE, MD region interested in Sony PVM 2530 + Exron Super Emotia + Scart Adapter Cables? Trying to get feelers looking to sell. Not selling for full meme price, but I got however I want em to go to a good home. Located in Philly but willing to meet within 2-ish hours drive. Its just been collecting dust since I got my Framemeister, quiethumor at gmail.com and/or feel free to reply in thread
What's wrong with my CRT monitor and how to fix +?Its an old Dell computer monitor I was given for free. Recently the screen gets progressively darker until you cant see anything in the center. Switching off/on the power button the screen is ultra bright for a white, then settles down into dark in the center after a few minutes. Sometimes it stays in ultra bright mode for an extended period of time.
>>5292985just get the mayflash one and a vga cable
>>5292564What do you consider expensive?Not currently in stock, but there's a ~$40 one on ebay made and sold by a member of the discord. https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-SCART-to-YPbPr-Component-transcoder-converter-/173676089027?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137>>5292985There's a Mayflash Component to VGA adapter which is RCA in and HD15 out that works fine with 240p/480i stuff. Issue there is you then need a way to combine sync (it outputs separate HV and you need composite S).https://www.beharbros.com/garoGaro does RGBS out over the SCART connector. At least one has caught fire due to bad power bricks supplied with it, hopefully that's been fixed.>>5294182Pretty sure it only does separate sync, which in most cases would require getting a sync combiner as well.
newfriend herei can get a iiyama vision master pro 411 for free but i'm wondering how good it iswhat determines the max resolution?refresh rate is just horizontal freq/horizontal resolution right?
>>5294792Very decent monitor. Emulation at 480p would likely look very good. Use a scan rate calculator to check what resolutions it can do. Horizontal scan is a maximum of 86KHz, but I know for a fact it can resolve 1600x1200.
>>5294187>There's a Mayflash Component to VGA adapter which is RCA in and HD15 out that works fine with 240p/480i stuff. Issue there is you then need a way to combine sync (it outputs separate HV and you need composite S).I can get one of those T connectors right? What is the key digital transcoder you use and what kind of cable do you use for the vga to bnc to goto your pvms?
>>5294820i'm planning to use it as a daily driver for my pci'm confused because it says it's an aperture grille but dot pitch has a diagonalso max resolution is display width/dot pitch * display height/dot pitch?how can i test if it works without bringing it to my pc?does the thing burst into flame if i set the refresh rate too high?is there signal loss with dvi-i to vga?i also read somewhere hdmi to vga adapters suck ass, is that true?can i dial in any resolution i want(100*1200) and it will just werk?sorry if this is a bit much but crts are like black magic to me and i cant imagine what they would be like nowadays if they havent stopped producing them in 2000
What about the kv-m2140D, worth getting?
>>5293983did you try degaussing it?
>>5295019I use a CRT as a daily driver. I can answer most of these questions.If you're just doing text work I wouldn't recommend a CRT as a daily driver. Likewise, if you do a lot of text stuff and media then you probably want both a CRT and LCD. Pretty sure it's a shadow mask. The later revision was replaced with an AG but you'd have to find that out yourself. The AG will be no 'better' in my experience, except I remember reading somewhere the AG revision of this monitor has a slightly finer dot-pitch.Max resolution is tied to refresh rate, limited by horizontal scan rate. The maximum scan rate of this monitor is 86Khz so it'll do any resolution/refresh rate combo within these boundaries. Of course, the ability to resolve higher resolutions is limited by dot-pitch, and as this is an older monitor higher resolutions will appear blurrier and may have to be run at 60Hz, which will cause noticeable flicker. Take a laptop to it if possible. Note that only cards older than the GTX9xx series have analog output. It's monitor dependent the behaviour for out of spec resolutions. Most will just say "out of scan range" and not damage anything.DVI-VGA involves no conversion so there's no signal loss, and in fact many people have experienced slightly sharper images with DVI connectors. Who knows if that's placebo. HDMI->VGA adapters tend to be decent but limit resolution on some higher end tubes and can cause crushing of black detail. Most are lagless. http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=Analogue_video_output_options_for_OSSCUnless the tube is multisync it can only sync to scan rates between 31.4Khz and the upper limit (86Khz in this case). Any resolution and refresh rate within these boundaries -should- work, but mileage will vary. All that said, if you plan on emulating games at 480p it'll look excellent. Some modern games will also be very good but just be aware you might not be able to run a good resolution unless the tube is higher end. I use a Sony GDM-FW900
>>5295102I use a Sony GDM-FW900 which can resolve 2304x1440@80hz just fine with a good cable. My experience has been that games and media just look better on a display like this compared to any LCD or even most OLEDs as the motion and colour accuracy is just better. LCDs are sharper and not as much strain on the eyes, so I use a pair of Dell 2007FP for word processing, web browsing etc.
>>5295076Yes didn't work.
>>5294997i guess you also goto your mitsubishi monitors with either vga or bnc as well
>>5294997What sort of display is it being fed into. Some are okay with being fed HV into a T-connector, but it's not really the proper way to do so.The KeyDigital transcoders I have are the KD-CTCA3 and VTCA3; First is Component to RGB(VGA) and the second is RGB(VGA) to Component.Former comes up from time to time at a decent price, but the latter usually ends up sitting quite a lot higher price wise. Both are very good quality and support 240p/480i perfectly, but should be noted neither will play with 1080p.
>>5295035Pls frens, I need to cut this deal quick.
>>5295683Looks like a pretty standard Trinitron from a good era. Pretty nice.
>>5295754Thanks broski, I'll cop.
>>5293983Wow, that's bizarre. I'm no expert, but I've seen a lot of broken CRTs and none of them looked like that. It's definitely not a common failure. Geometry seems to be fine, the corners are being drawn properly, so you can probably rule out the deflection circuit.I'd guess this suggests something wrong with either the electron gun assembly, the flyback transformer(responsible for horizontal oscillation - maybe it's producing a sinusoidal wave instead of a saw wave, creating that smooth gradient to black?), or with the board for the gun.Again, I'm not an expert, just an Electrical Engineering student, so these are just (somewhat educated) guesses. Unless someone who knows better than me replies with an exact fix for you, it's probably in your best interest to start looking for a replacement on Craigslist, or if you're really attached to this monitor you could try to grab one with a broken tube and replace the boards/flyback transformer in yours with parts from the blown one.
>>5295802Cheers. Here's another pic.
>>5295663>What sort of display is it being fed into. Some are okay with being fed HV into a T-connector, but it's not really the proper way to do so.either a pvm or mitsu monitor, possibly also a pc crt if I feel like fuckin around with it enough, what should I need to account for?Why cant combining the H and V be a substitute for the composite sync?
Got a 26" Trinitron for free, been playing on it and i like it so im keeping it and throwing away my 21".Only problems i notice are pic related, top left edge and middle bottom of the screen have a slight curve to them i havent been able to fix on the service menu.Im using a modded Wii and the 240 test suite, is this problem fixable on service menu or is it hardware related and i need to take it to a technician?
>>5296043easier to see cueved edges here
just picked up this 27" trinitron yesterday, how do i find out what model it is (or should i even care)?
>>5296073the picture is really nice
>>5296043>>5296056It's flat panel right? Those are just like that, nothing you can really do
>>5296073It's not that important. You may want to research the model if you want to know if it works with oddball resolutions or frequencies
How much lag do these things introduce?
>>5296145none, they're passive
>>5296148Nice. Thanks anon
>>5296131yes flat crt, nothing i can do really? why do people reccomend these flat Trinitrons then? ive passed on some free Samsung and Phillips tha where cured because people say Trinis are the best.
>>5296131this TV right here >>5296076doesnt have the curved edge mine has and it is a flat crt too. There must be smething i can do to fix it.
How do i use the 240 test suite if i dont have console everdrives
>>5296170>>5296173From what I understand some flats just display an inaccurate image, of course some models are better than others, I think you just got unlucky.
>>5296170>>5296185the discoloration means it needs degaussing. The geometry you can try to fix with this infohttp://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestionshttp://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
Whats the best RGB cables for SNES?
>>5296221I bought one that doesn't have scart and instead has really fancy BNC connectorsIDK who made it but it's definitely quality
Hello /crt/! I want to adjust the overscan and position of my KV Trinitron. However, the service menu looks nothing like the one seen in other YouTube tutorials and I am scared to death of navigating this thing on my own (Since I know it can kill CRTs) Is anyone familiar with this? If you are, please provide proof I don't want to kill my CRT today
>lost a chance to get a PVM-14N6U for a decent price at local pickupfuck this gay earth
>>5296481how much was decent for you? got one for $65 a month or two ago
>>5296516It was an ebay auction for local pickup, started at $75, put my max bid at $100 was willing to go a bit higher but was sniped out.
cool trinitron monitor with attached speakers and even a subwoofer on the base
I own a Sansui COM3100D 13" and a JVC AV-27530 27"They serve me well
>>5296670I'm very jealous if this is yours, as I've been looking for one for years. Got a model number?
>>5296670Neat. Almost as cool as Samsung GXTV.Almost.
I wonder if it's possible to recoat worn electron guns? Not sure what they're coated with though (probably something nasty/cancer-causing).
>>5287436I'm currently playing Kingdom Hearts Remix through an emulator with an english patch, widescreen and 60 FPS fix on a CRT.It's certainly worth it to me, go for it.
>>5296819Electron guns usually wear out before the phosphor does, at least on color tubes.
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/archive/index.php/t-379457.htmlThese guys are the cancer killing the community.>wah wah it can't be done>wah toxic waste>wah normies won't buy a CRT anymore
>>5296181Buy it on a repro cart or see if dreamcast has a version you can burn. Iirc repros of 240p ts were $15.
>>5296819now I wonder how long does that worn out take. starting to get panicky thinking they may die before me.
>>5296726CPD-100VSCPD-120VSCPD-220VSShould all use that same design>>5295864Because you're not properly combining the sync. Some monitors might not like it, and it could hypothetically damage whatever is outputting said sync.>what should I need to account for?Knowing what you're even trying to do. You're asking for info on a transcoder, but not what you're going to be using the transcoder with or otherwise. Depending on the PVM, transcoding might not be necessary. Mitsu monitors, unless you're talking Megaview, aren't going to take low res stuff, PC CRT won't like low res stuff without linedoubling/upscaling.
>>5297070The pvm im using now takes HV sync, I could have sworn I remember people saying they played 240p on Mitsubishi megaviews here....maybe I'm just goin senile
>>5297397Megaviews aren't PVMemes, they're presentation monitors. Only a select few Sony PVMs actually have separate H and V inputs.And it depends on the model, but most do accept 15khz, and as such, 240p.
>>5297430awesome fuckin pic there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!shame about the speaker that fell over tho
>>5297449That's actually purposefully put there to deal with a purity issue it had/has. Putting it in TATE makes it considerably worse and more obvious. It's mostly been fixed now though.
>>5280829If you're using a shitty CRT, what's the point? Why not just a cheap screen of today?
>>5280829Is this from the set of The IT crowd?>>5297430>>5297454How does the speaker help with color purity? I've been having issues with pink and blue blotches randomly showing up in the corners of my set and I'm trying to combat it.
>>5297449lmao, I was just about to jokingly suggest that he's putting it there to distort the screen back into place until I saw that he actually is.>>5297454I know you're very knowledgeable about CRTs, so I won't question it too much, but isn't there a danger of the oscillating magnetic field from a speaker leaving a lasting nonuniform magnetization on the tube?
>>5297470Some people seem to think they're better no matter what.
>>5297503Not him, but speakers operate via an electromagnet that quickly oscillates between different states to vibrate a piece of magnetically influenced metal, which is affixed to the vibration membrane of the speaker, creating sound. A non-magnetically-shielded speaker (one without a Faraday cage that encases the magnetic assembly) leaks a magnetic field. I'm assuming that you at least know how magnetic fields influence moving electrons and the application of this in CRTs.
>>5297508One nearly universal benefit of (most) CRTs is their purely analog nature, which lends itself to lower input lag than is cheaply attainable on a modern display.
>>5297505>>5297503It's not powered. I can only assume that the inactive speaker coil (or a particularly weak standard magnet, though unlikely) in it is acting similarly to a permalloy strip/etc would when placed around the neck of the tube, in causing a slight deviation in the deflection. I'm not sure whether it was there and I didn't notice (unlikely) or if the rough handling it took in actually moving it to it's current location caused the yoke to move a bit, but it's been there for a while and I just haven't worked up to do anything more than convergence adjustments as of yet.I've finally gotten around to getting a desoldering gun, so I'm planning on disassembling the entire thing, completely recapping it, and redoing the landing entirely on it, so it shouldn't be there for much longer. Will be nice to see what it looks like with nice, fresh components.
Anyone have experience with these cheap degaussing wands? They're like a fourth of the price of a ring.
>>5297530Forgot my pic.
>>5297517With emulation it can get very close. They're more appealing if you want to hook up old consoles
>>5297526PLEASE DO A FULL TUTORIAL WITH A BUNCH OF PICS WHEN YOU DO THIS!!!!!!
>>5297537No experience with them, but I've heard that they're a great way to start a housefire. Check Craigslist, I got myself one of those rings (same brand as the ones that are being sold as "new old stock" for $45 on eBay) locally for $10 a while back.>>5297543Fair point, I was assuming that we were talking about original hardware here though.>>5297547You should take the time to learn about CRTs and why certain things are done so that you know why each step should be performed, instead of playing monkey see, monkey do with a hand-holding tutorial. You'll be much more likely to properly fix any problems unique to the set you're working on, and much less likely to electrocute yourself. https://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdfPlus, there are already plenty of relevant instructional materials. RetroTech did a multi-part full capacitor replacement tutorial a while back. https://youtu.be/CjB6D8HrU7E
>>5297560why are you being such a condescending prick?
Does this look like it's in good quality?Is this a good purchase?
>>5297718What ports, how much
>>5297730How much would you pay for it?I'm from western-Europe so it must have standard RGB/Scart right?
>>5297027The red gun most of the time goes bad before the other ones because it runs hotter. But you can double any CRT's lifespan by keeping the brightness/contrast to a reasonable level. They also used to in the 50s-60s do tube rejuvenation where an electric charge was applied to the cathodes to blast off used up emissive material and expose fresh coating underneath it.
>>5297027Most CRTs have a quoted lifespan of 25,000 to 30,000 hours, however this isn't the time it takes for the electron coating in the guns to completely wear off, but actually just the amount of time they take to fall to half brightness. Obviously jacking the brightness/contrast will reduce the lifespan of the tube.
>>5297027Keep in mind that a good quality CRT will last a long time; I had a Proscan 27" that survived 16 years of very heavy use before the tube began to run out of gas (it dimmed and the red gun started to go south). Most of you probably aren't going to use yours nearly that much..
>>5296819>>5297027I wouldn't worry about that. There were millions of CRTs made for decades so you'll likely never run out of replacement tubes in your lifetime.
>>5297743Not him but about 20 euros. It should have SCART which will take RGB and composite. If there's a second SCART port it will probably support s-video as well.
>>5297780I asked the guy about its quality, any scratches etc, and offered 20 euros.If the guy doesn't agree with 20 euros, should I just let it go?
>>5297568Does giving good advice and providing detailed resources count as being a prick nowadays? If so:>why are you being such a condescending prick?Because complex electronics repairs are not something that should be attempted by people who know nothing about electronics repair. Because you're begging people in all caps to do things for you, when you wouldn't need to ask about these things if you had done a minimal amount of research. Because people really can and do seriously injure themselves messing around with high-voltage components.
>>5297779>>5297772>>5297754thanks man youre the man
>>5297853>people who know nothing about electronics repair.I'm an electrical engineering student, the caps were for shitposting purposes only, go back to plebbit.
>>5297852TVs like that one pop up every now and then, though they don't always come with the original remote like that one. I could spend a little bit more on it because I like the older design. The newer Trinitrons have that ugly silver paint.
>>5297547>>5297870I've been planning on documenting it since I decided that it needed done a couple years ago. The fact that it doesn't have a service manual available only gives more reason to do so.
>>5298015awesome, apparently fat bob from retrorgb is supposed to be building a database, any word on that?
>>5297750Is this literally spray-on coating for cathodes they're selling? I don't get it.
>>5296073>>5296076 should say on the back label but it is likely also a kv27 family like>>5277950>>5277957>>5278085>>5298193these guys
>>5298020Bob likes to make a lot of claims, but doesn't like following through with them from what I've seen. Never spoken with them, and the only way to seemingly get in contact with them these days is to shovel money to his patreon for the privileged of his question and opinion sessions or to already be butt buddies with him. I've got plans of my own, but they're likely a bit ways out in terms of getting a fancy and clean website/presentation for them.
How good is this crt? I know jackshit about them and picked ot up for 4 bucks
>>5298538Model is KV-1393R
>>5298538>>5298541Composite only, but still a cool-looking set. 8-bit stuff would probably look great on it.
>>5274970i used to have one that looked better than this onebut i cant remember what ever happened to it.
>>5274970https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/ele/d/new-cumberland-37-inch-sony-tv/6763085335.htmlis this one a crt ?
>>5298541thanks for this pic, been lookin for it for awhile
>>5298228Hey guy! just came across your scan-lined thing by accident and I really liked it. Keep at it, yeah?
>>5298624scan lined thing?
Hey, just got my first setup but i’m doing something wrong. Got my modded SNES Jr. w/ Donkey Kong Country hooked up via a c-sync scart cable to a scart to BNC connector, plugged into my JVC TM-1950CG. This is what I get. The patterns move up the screen, I assume this is a sync issue? I want to make sure i’m doing this correctly, i’ve put Red on R, Blue on B, and Green on G, Black went to HD/CS and audio goes to audio.
>>5298647here is the back
>>5298624Haven't been taking nearly as many photos as I used to, so it's just been getting videos from yotub recently, but I'm glad to hear you like it. Photo posts feel sort of weird without some sort of words to go along with them, and neither seem to get much interest there, but I have no plans on stopping entirely.>>5298638Photo / Video Blog on dumblrGets the same sort of photos of tubes I post here, just in a less spammy/thread floody sort of way.>>5298647Switch to Input D. Input C is for Component.
>>5298654Thanks for helping a retard, looks great.
>>5298593Yes, exact one is pictured here >>5276208
i heard you fags like scanlines
I have a second hand crt monitor with a couple problems1. It has two horizontal gray lines (very small almost not noticeable)2. It has a built in vga cable, but one of the pins is missingEither of these fixable? Can I just get another pin, shove it in and hope it works? Could the horizontal lines be related to the vga pins?
>>5298747I would suggest cutting the cord and soldering a new one on.
>>5298753If I do this is there any method to keeping the cables sorted? Or do I have to open the connector to see where they all go?
>>5298747if it's a trinitron those are just the stabilization wirescord is probably okay too, try it first
>>5298774>>5298753would like to see a tutorial on this, I have a little old monitor I grew up with that I would like to use but it has one bent pin and another missing pin
>>5294187Hey thanks, I'll keep my eye on that. Something ~$50 is what I'm after. Does a RGB to YUV color space converter exist? Or is the only option a YPbPr converter?
>>5292873>RGB (Low Res)>VGA (Hi Res)How do you figure?
>>5298782just buy a new male DE15 connector, and when you cut the cable you have to figure out which cable went to what pin. Almost definitely the cables are color coded so it shouldn't be difficult and you just solder the cables onto the new connector in the old orientation they had; if they're not color coded there are ways to tell electrically but it may be beyond your range.
>>5298806how would I go about checkin it electrically? multi meter?
>>5298843off the top of my head an easy way to do it would be to strip down to the wires before you cut it and ya, put one multimeter end on a pin and then probe the wires to find which one goes to it, label it, then rinse and repeat for all the pins (although not all pins will be in use).
>>5298843see if you can find the service manual and get the pinout for the board and do it there instead of splicing the wire. if you do it this way make sure to add tension relief in the form of a boot or knot.
>>5277883Like old movies and shows that were shot in that format, or newer shows and movies that have been pan&scanned?
Is it feasible that CRTs will ever make a comeback the way vinyl records have, or is the technology too complex/expensive for smaller companies to adapt in modern times?Another unrelated question: Does anyone know what brand and model that one small TV with the built-in vertical VCR on the side is?
>>5298872No, never. A few brands vertical built-in VCRs.
>>5298872>is the technology too complex/expensive for smaller companies to adapt in modern times?Yes. And the mass appeal of CRTs is considerably smaller than record players.The one you're probably thinking of is the Panasonic AG-500R.
>>5298890>>5298879>>5298872could we not figure out a way to make the tubes not so long if they were to be brought back? Like ffs, why cant they just be 20% of the depth that they are normally? That and using different materials would go a long way to making them lighter.
>>5298917Flat CRTs already exist, and seem to have the same tradeoffs that HD CRTs have. That said, you can actually buy brand new ones from China (provided you order in bulk).https://formeelec.en.made-in-china.com/product/dSZnwmhjyocU/China-17-CRT-TV-17A5-Normal-Flat-TV.html#
>>5298890Thanks. I'm pretty sure that was the one I remember.
I just want to see one in action
Is the PVM-14N1A a solid pvm ? There's one nearby selling for $90 and I'm thinking about getting it.
>Offer 20 euros for the seller's CRT KV>Says it's worth far more than that NO IT ISN'T LAST NIGHT YOU MADE ME MAKE AN OFFER SO YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ITS VALUE
>>5298927Flat CRTs should have been the next logical step if the industry hadn't gimped everyone with cheap, low quality TFT panels.
>>5298872>Is it feasible that CRTs will ever make a comeback the way vinyl records have, or is the technology too complex/expensive for smaller companies to adapt in modern times?A CRT isn't inherently cost prohibitive to manufacture, but a good quality one is. The problem is, enthusiasts don't really want shitty 13" TVs with RF only, they want the premium stuff like a Wega and that's too fucking expensive.
>>5298890>And the mass appeal of CRTs is considerably smaller than record players.I'm not sure there's any way to actually prove this objectively. Record players are obviously much much cheaper to produce; there's not exactly a lot to the things.
>>5298741God, that's sexy.
>>5299071Is this you >>5297852 ?I'm curious, how much did he ask for it? I've been following the prices for a couple of years now and consumer CRTs aren't that expensive, professional monitors start from 50 and up (a lot), or are virtually free because the studios just want to get rid of them.
>>5276167Your floor has a devil face complete with horns, and nice TV.
>>5299173I'm that guy, he didn't make any offer, didn't list any price, and just asked me to make an offer.I offered 20 euros and he has said that it's worth a hell of a lot more than that, which isn't true at all.How much does he really think he can get for >>5297718 when the worst prices I can see for them are American ones inflated to +100 dollars.I'm not going to horrifically overpay for that CRT, but I do kind of want it. Am I too harsh on the guy?
>>5299151thanks anon, it's the meme wega, FV310.
>>5299143This happened because the Japanese TV industry was undercut by shitty Korean and Taiwanese TFT panels.
>>5299147>premium stuff like a Wega
>>5299271I've never seen a group of people cheaper than CRTers. They'll pay $500 or a $1000 for an Iphone but shudder to pay $200 for a PVM.
>>5298927Interesting, I wonder how thin you could make them.
>>5299387This is why we're unlikely to see the things come back. How would any manufacturer make a profit from a customer base as cheap as that?
>>5299387>Implying id buy an Iphone
>>5299387>They'll pay $500 or a $1000 for an IphoneI am looking for an identical replacement for my 2012 made samsung rugby pro...just in case this one ever dies. $100 is too much to spend on a cell phone, so I am waiting for the price to come down more. Cell phones are overrated garbage especially any apple device.
>>5298797>YUVThe same as YPbPr in this context.>>5298801Originally the option was a flat RGB/VGA/etc option. A few people elsewhere noted that it really doesn't tell you much given VGA is so common and RGB (SCART and so on, lower res RGB sources essentially) imply trying harder for video quality, at least for people not in Europe. As such, I tossed in that split. Going to swap the survey every few months to see how things change over time, so I'm open to suggestions on better wording/new questions.>>5298965It's a low end, late model. Composite and S-Video, no RGB. I'm assuming that's 90AUD? If so, basing it on US prices, it's not a fantastic price, but not terrible either.
>>5298927>Flat CRTs already exist, and seem to have the same tradeoffs that HD CRTs have.It's better than nothing. Also why aren't these sold in the US? They should be.
>>5299580>The same as YPbPr in this contextIs a RGB to YPbPr converter actually doing any processing in this case? I know a colorspace converter is passive.
>>5299580Oh that makes sense. It's referring to consoles that can output an RGB signal, but one lower quality than VGA. Got it.
>>5299624The only trade offs a flat has vs. curved is geometry. HD CRTs bring along other issues.
>>5299387>People don't to pay eBay scalping fake mark-up.What a shock. I got mine for free, as did most people before it became a meme.
>>5299674>HD CRTs bring along other issues.They don't work with light guns?
>>5299580It is $90usd, I'm fine with S-Video, locally I can only find pvm 8220 models for around $50 usd , but I want something bigger.
>>5299668Assuming it's just a dedicated transcoder, just color space conversion. In regards to video outputs, you're not going to find anything actually outputting YUV, at least in this context. YPbPr is sort of a derivative of the same general space, just with the Pb/Pr portion calculating for slightly different things. >>5299721Nearly $100 is more than it's worth. $90 for an S-Video set like that wouldn't sit well with me. Nothing decent consumer wise available to you?
>>5299686That and they upscale 240p content and produce no scanlines as a result.
>>5299735I got a kv 27s26 recently, but I want a pvm
Which is better ? Pvm 8220 or 8040? Main differences? Someone is selling me a 8220 for 60 bucks and the 8040 for 45 bucks
>>5299793the 8040 has s-video and the 8220 doesn't.
>>5299739>and produce no scanlinesDropped.
>>5299824Are those good prices ? I'm thinking about getting the 8040 as my first pvm set
>>5299686If they strobe at 60Hz, it should work.
>>5299739>That and they upscale 240p contentThat wouldn't be a problem on a CRT as they don't have discrete pixels like a flat panel.
>>5299875it's not a bad price I guess but don't expect to be blown away by an 8" s-video pvm. make sure you test it well before buying.>>5299874>muh scanlineskill yourself you fucking loser.>>5299879literally not how it works.
>>5299883>kill yourself you fucking loserNah. Proper scanlines are one of the few remaining reasons to hold onto this aged tech. Response times, (near) lack off input delay, color reproduction and black levels on the level of a CRT are now attainable on flat panels.
>>5299896>esponse times, (near) lack off input delay, color reproduction and black levels on the level of a CRT are now attainable on flat panelsStill can't use light guns.
>>5299896>color reproductionLOL!!!!! You are the reason why so many Zoomers think Super Mario Bros. has a purple sky instead of a deep blue.
>>5299896>response timesLol no>Lack of input delayAlmost>Colour reproductionRarely>Black levelsOLED can, yesYou forgot the most important one: motion clarity. Pretty good b8 desu
>>5299904>LOL!!!!! You are the reason why so many Zoomers think Super Mario Bros. has a purple sky instead of a deep blue.Every TV set will give slightly different colors so there's no real "definite" palette.
>>5299918>so there's no real "definite" palette.Imagine believing this. There are old pictures that the companies put out specifically for that purpose-to show the game how it is. Fucking wow. People are getting dumber.
I used my NES on three different CRT TVs. These were:>Sears 13" from 1978 (rebranded Panasonic)>Proscan 27" from 1994>GE 19" from 1995The colors were slighty different on each one and I thought the sky in SMB looked more purple on the Proscan and bluer on the other sets.
>>5299930>SMB looked more purple on the Proscan and bluer on the other sets.Yes because the '90s were the start of the bastardization of color in video games because the TVs were cheaper in that fashion compared to older counterparts. I got a TV from 1980 that's more accurate than a anything made 1994 and after, at least for color.
>>5299936The NTSC spec wasn't adhered to to any meaningful extent after the 1950s. Not only did color reproduction vary widely from TV to TV but Japanese sets usually fucked around with it to get more yellow (ie. Asian) skin tones.
>>5299930The NES palette is based on NTSC values so trying to figure it out is a bastard compared to consoles that use RGB values.
At least you don't end up with purple-blue like on VICE. A real C64 does not look like that.
>>5299983>The NTSC spec wasn't adhered to to any meaningful extent after the 1950s.Huh?>>5299983>Not only did color reproduction vary widely from TV to TV but Japanese sets usually fucked around with it to get more yellow (ie. Asian) skin tones.Fair enough, but Nintendo did not fuck up the color of the sky for American audiences, they just decided to show us how blue sky is supposed to look, while they sacrificed that on their Famicom to sate their alternate palette tastes, which could have been influenced by their culture. tl;dr Japanese people buy soiled underwear from vending machines and believe that purple best represents "blue sky".
>>5299983>The NTSC spec wasn't adhered to to any meaningful extent after the 1950s.As I understand, the original spec as written in the '50s called for fairly dark phosphors in the CRT. Since customers preferred a bright picture most of the time, manufacturers usually didn't follow things by the book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf3M0LYeJdcRCA CTC-5 from 1956. This is actually more the way NTSC was originally meant to look.
>>5299387>They'll pay $500 or a $1000 for an IphoneWhere'd you'd get that idea? your ass?
>>5299686>>5299739Can you retards stop spreading elementary school myths? Light guns work on flat CRTs just fine.
>>5300648Flat CRTs, yes; HDCRTs (which are -nearly- all flat), no.
>>5300648>Light guns work on flat CRTs just fine.That's not entirely true. Later light guns work on later model CRTs just fine, but older light guns do not want to work with anything but a curved screen. Or they play, but are inaccurate because the gun was designed to work with the curvature of the tube.So play Duck Hunt on a CRT flat screen all you want, but it most likely will be frustrating to get a good score.
>>5300654Lightguns aren't that smartThey just see light or dark to detect a hit
>>5300660>Lightguns aren't that smartIt's not about being smart; yes they detect light and dark yadda yadda we've all heard it before, but the curve was taken into account when they made those light guns.
>>5300664Think about what you're saying anon. Think about how light works.
>>5299904It’s a purple sky. A bunch of images of US sets showing a blue sky proves nothing.
>>5300714>duh all Nintenders advertamaziing dundnt mean nothing *drool*Thanks for your input, Mongo.
>>5300712No, YOU think about it. I know how they work exactly-you do not. Maybe go to Youtube and watch a video.
>>5300749>"At that time, you could only have about 3 colors for the blue sky, on the Family Computer. It took me a while to decide which one I would use, and eventually I picked the purplish one. I felt that purple had the depth of nature. I was really into that."From Shiggy himself, simp.
>>5300664>>5300654>>5300651Fairly sure the myth light guns don't work on flat displays is due to many flat displays being 100hz. Obviously the NES zapper won't detect the flash as well when it's not running the intended 50hz/60hz. I have a few flat displays and the non-100hz tubes work perfectly with all light guns, whereas the 100hz tube only sort of works with the Dreamcast gun.
>>5300772And yet they chose to advertise Super Mario Bros. with a blue sky and even put it on all the cartridges boxes. Amazing, huh? Get your head out of your ass-they obviously changed their minds. Heck, I bet you can't even find a period photograph or video that shows Famicoms playing purple skied SMBs. You're a joke.
>>5300790>Fairly sure the myth light guns don't work on flat displays is due to many flat displays being 100hz. Obviously the NES zapper won't detect the flash as well when it's not running the intended 50hz/60hz.I'm not for sure how important those rates are, but I assure you that the curvature of the screen heavily factors into the NES Zapper.
>>5300797>>5300664This has more to do with some flat screens being HD, a standard definition flat crt will work with light guns just fine
>>5300814>a standard definition flat crt will work with light guns just fineAs well as a curved one? I'm not aware of any consensus being made or much talk on this subject. I'm keeping an open mind that perhaps I'm mistaken on the screens, but I doubt it given how the Zapper "see"s the screen.
I emailed a local broadcast studio recently, asking if they have any PVMs or BVMs, and apparently they have quite a few. The person I was told to email said they just need to ask the tech guys if its okay to give them away. I already have a PVM2030, but we'll see what happens. I also help manage a retro gaming expo, so they're most likely going to be put in our museum
>>5300835Public access or news station?
>>5300842Public AccessLocal news networks are hard to get through to. I have yet to actually get a response. Considering hitting up a few in person.
>>5300793>chose to advertise Super Mario Bros. with a blue skyNot in Japan.>they obviously changed their mindsThat interview took place -AFTER- SMB was released—they didn’t change shit.>I bet you can’t I don’t need to. Look at the NES Classic for Nintendo’s current stance on the issue.
>>5300860>Considering hitting up a few in person.At first pretend to be a member of a cult and demand TV time, but just as soon as they start to wince, say just kidding, got any old TVs that need throwing out? If they have a sense of humor they'll laugh and be glad that you're not a cult victim/victim maker and give you some tubes.
>>5300865>Look at the NES Classic for Nintendo’s current stance on the issue.I'll just ignore you instead since the box for SMB tells me everything I need to know. Thanks for the typing experience.
>>5300873You do that. Said screenshots on boxes were taken with different hardware entirely. The goal was sharpness, but it came at the cost of inaccurate colors.
>>5300896>The goal was sharpness, but it came at the cost of inaccurate colors.Funny how even the more sophisticated arcade monitors also had the "wrong" colors too, huh? lol You are adorable. Keep being you.
>>5300896Thanks for showing that, btw, now I want one. S-video for a Famicom game? Count me in...it's probably rare and expensive...
>>5274970i looked up how to screen capture a crt on youtube. and all the tutorials are showing people how to hold cameras in front of their tvs.i have done it a better way with a capture card.. am i the only one doing it ?most people that record retro gaming, do they not do it off of a crt ? i have done it.https://streamable.com/rg0dehttps://streamable.com/7q6cm
>>5300906The arcade machines used a different PPU entirely.
>>5300920Lots of people record games that are played on a CRT and there's different ways to do it, but are all the same in that a capture card/device ganks the signals, sends them to the encoder and then gives you a file to put on your PC or Mac.
>>5300896what is this thing?
>>5300921Right! And their color potentials are superior to home TVs of the day, so Nintendo made the decision to be A-OK with blue sky being blue on arcade machines (PlayChoice 10 and Vs.) and home consoles in America. Maybe you can argue that Japan had theirs as purple, but it still woudn't make purple-hued skies in American SMB releases correct.
>>5300938I want to strangle you. Badly.
>>5300938You know what, this is actually a fucking retarded argument. I have nothing invested in this.
>>5300949Why, 'cause I'm right? I own a bunch of games and monitors and know of what I speak. You can't poke a hole in anything I said, hence your impotent rage.>>5300953I accept your defeat. One can't always be right.
>>5300962No because you’re a fucking nigger. Nigger.
>>5300968Germanic, you mongrel.
>>5300610I have yet to meet a normal person that doesn't have at least a $500 phone. And probably 8/10 have at least a $500 flatscreen tv. Why are CRT gamers so poverty? Or do they have the money, they just spend foolishly? None of my other hobbies have user bases that are so scared of spending a dollar. One would think CRTs would garner even more money than average hobbies because they stopped making them. But instead I go over to reddit and there's a bunch of "look what I found for $35" where everyone says how awesome it is but its really some piece of trash CRT that didn't cost $200 brand new. This is the only hobby I have where people litterally talk up their trash because they're so jealous they convinced themselves what they bought is better than what sold for thousands.
>>5301150>This is the only hobby I have where people litterally talk up their trash because they're so jealous they convinced themselves what they bought is better than what sold for thousands.That's some quality delusion.
>>5300826>, but I doubt it given how the Zapper "see"s the screen.As long as the Zapper sees the proper black screen followed up by white square when it expects to, it'll function properly. The fact that people have managed to get it working with flat panels by modifying duck hunt to have a delay function built in to make up for the latency issue proves as much.>>5300920There are tons of people recording direct video capture from their consoles, while playing off of a CRT. "Screen Capturing" a CRT is only doable by actually recording a CRT.
Seeing that 32" Trinitron re-awakened my desire for another big CRT. So I have been fooling with my PC CRT monitor tonight. And it has only reinforced my desire for a KD-36XS955 or a KV-40XBR800. It can't be one of the lower resolution tubes. The lighting effects of modern games look amazing on a CRT, and 4:3 is still my by far preferred aspect ratio.
>>5301306what game is this?
>>5301343Dark Souls 3
>>5301375pc or what?
>>5301379PC version. That's not a real photo. I took a photo of my PC CRT running the game in 4:3 and then used photo software to combine it with a photo of a KV-40XBR800. But it is a decent approximation of what the game would look like running on that TV. 40XBR800 has DVI input, so running PC games on it is no problem.
>>5299904>purple skyThe "purple" sky is actually closer to pure blue, while the "blue" sky is more like sky blue(azure) which is half way between blue and cyan.
>>5300751youtu.be/c3tBk-LYyzoSure. This must suck, huh?
>>5300920>i have done it a better way with a capture card.. am i the only one doing it ?
>>5290527Getting the R/G/B in is easy, can splice the cable to a VGA, the annoying bit is there's no buttons/OSD on the monitor, all control over geometry/levels etc is done over USB and AFAIK there's no driver/control software out there for anything except Mac OS / OS X
>>5301796The most embarrassing thing about this post is that it reveals that whoever made it has never bothered looking for pro monitors outside of eBay.
Any console I can force 240p video playerback on?
>>5302253I don't think a 480i to 240p downscaler exists. To watch a video in 240p that would have to be it's native resolution
can anyone identify this absolute unit of a crt?
>>5302347Looks like an Embleton-68" to me.lowes.com/pd/allen-roth-Embleton-68-in-Bronze-Multi-Head-Floor-Lamp-with-Metal-Shade/50355880
>>5301815so splice to vga and switch out the apple shit over mac os when adjustments are needed?
>>5301796Terrible post. If you think you can't afford a PVM you should>look anyway because you might find one for less than $100 locally>research other brand of pro monitors and look for those too>consider a Trinitron SDTV and learn about service menu adjustments, which will get you about 99% of the same quality>look for other brand nice CRT tv with component or s-video>consider PC CRT usagethis is false btw>a professional monitor that cost thousands new was not what any of us even knew about back in the day.If you were a kid or clueless teenager. Not everybody was. Also depends on what you call "back in the day". The CRT era lasted until the mid 2000s, and I was fully aware of the potential of RGB video as early as 1997 when I first read about RGB monitors on MAS systems websites and people using Commodore 1084s monitors for supergun usage.
I’m having problems with the RGB in my PAL CRT: it always moves the image to the left, showing a black line on the right. I have tried with my SNES and my GC but it’s the same for both. However, the image on composite video is centered. Is my TV broken? I’m using a 3rd party cable, could that be the issue?
>>5302647That's "normal", some TVs have a setting to adjust the centering for RGB, sometimes in the service menu.
>>5302649Wouldn’t that screw the centered image from composite video?
>>5302651No, this setting should only affect RGB.
>>5302347Text in the upper left looks to be TrinitronXBR in white, so likely a KV-**XBR250. If it were black/dark grey, I'd expect XBR450.250 is SD, 450 is HD. Size is -probably- 32'', but could be 36.
>>5302253PlayStation 1 via VCD playback seems the best option. PlayStation has native RGB output.http://www.psxdev.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1317
>>5302734or you can just buy one of thesehttps://youtu.be/y1vo3-uEBRM
>>5302739and this should work as wellhttps://segaretro.org/Video_CD_Card
>>5302686hi scan or super fine pitch?
>>5302686its the KV-36HS20
Not retro but idk where else to turn when it comes to picture quality. Which version of GBI allows me to scale up the image and looks good on a CRT? I'm fairly certain I'm using High Fidelity version now which puts black all around the image. Looks fine aside from some ghosting probably due to my svideo cables. I'd really like to fill in the screen and from what I read standard GBI is meant for LCD's and such while high fidelity and speedrunning are meant for CRT's.
>>5302768I'm almost positive, by the way the plastic slopes up on the bottom edges that it is not an xbr250, so it's an early hi scan xbr. Definitely no sfp
>have to re-install Nvidia drivers again because it won't recognize my CRT
>>5299173Pic related (PVM-91CE) is for sale close to me for 70€ and it's worth far less than that.So that should give you an idea of how the prices are like.
>>5302785Sorry, I don't have the answer, but GBI is retro. Gameboy player plays GB games and is /vr/