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What went right?
What went wrong?
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>>39978641
>What went right?
Half of them
>What went wrong?
The other half
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>>39978641
The Sinnoh dex is so goddamn awful, holy shit.
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All of them went right except for Rhyperior and Magmortar.
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>>39978641
Mismagius, Porygon Z, Honchkrow, Gliscor, Leafeon and Glaceon went right.

Weaville, Tangrowth, Magnezone and Yanmega, Gallade, Mammoswine and Froslass went somewhere.

Probopass, Ambipom, Magmortar, Electivire, Roserade, Lickilicky, Dusknoir, Togekiss and Rhyperior went wrong.
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Sinnohfags usually are insecure and just attack anyone here with their own based opinions even if the other anons are being chill, so whatever, here is my own taste.
I personally like very much some of these Pokémon, but from all the main 5 gens, Gen 4 is the one I few less connection. The region look nice, yes, but I don't like of the majority of the Pokémon design.
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>>39978641
Gliscor, Gallade Mamozwine,PoryZ,Yanmega,Wealive, Evee's, Roserade and Togekiss went right.

The rest are just forgettable that are evolution of the forgotten
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>>39978737
those trash tier bugs above darkrai? LMAO
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>>39978641
Wrong: Magmortar, Rhyperior
Right: Everything else
I don't like Probopass, but I also don't like Nosepass, and the two fit with each other just fine and have their fans. I don't know if I've ever seen a Magmortar fan.

Roserade is an absolute bro, I run one in Platinum and I'm training up a Roselia in X.
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>>39978641
While I would change some typings and think a handful need a redesign either slightly(gallade's hips and magmortar's lips) to the full on redesigns like rhyperior. I feel like they make up a little too much of the sinnoh dex maybe if there was 15-25 new normal mons I wouldn't feel this way
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>right
yanmega, mismagius, porygon-z, honchkrow, dusknoir, gallade, eevee pair

>wrong
the rest
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>>39978737
>Darkrai in C tier
List can be safely disregarded, nothing of value.
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>>39978641
i like electivire and yanmega
magnezone is kind of cool but i like magneton more
same for dusknoir and mamoswine
the rest are bad
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>>39978641
Perfect
Yanmega, Mismagius, Porygon Z, Honchkrow, Gallade, Mamoswine, Gliscor, Froslass, Magnezone (i hated 10 years ago but now i like him), Roserade (and also Budew), Weavile (same as Magnezone), Dusknoir, Glaceon, Leafeon (hated only the choice of the evolution method because now exists ice and leaf stone)

Ok
Electivire, Lickylicky (only because i don't know what they can choose after Lickytung)

To redesign
Magmortar (hate the body but not the concept), Rhyperior (Rhydon is cooler, but the concept is cool)

Why?
Probopass (WTF), Tangrowth (A big Tangela), Togekiss (I never understood what is that or what was the concept)
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>>39978641
>What went right?
Yanmega, Honchcrow, Gallade, Misdreavus, Gliscor, Electivire, Froslass, Magnezone, Roserade, Weavile, Togekiss, Dusknoir, Glaceon, Porygon Z, Probopass, Tangrowth
>What went wrong?
Ambipom, Mamoswine, Rypherior, LickyLicky
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i love them all
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>>39978641
>God tier
Mismagius
>Great tier
Yanmega, Leafeon
>Good tier
Roserade, Weavile, Porygon-Z, Froslass
>Average tier
Gallade, Glaceon, Gliscor, Honchkrow, Probopass, Togekiss
>Poor tier
Magnezone, Electivire, Ambipom, Mamoswine, Tangrowth
>Irredeemable garbage tier
Magmortar, Rhyperior, Dusknoir, Lickilicky
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>>39978852
I forget in the Why? Ambipom
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>What went right?
All of them
>What went wrong?
None of them
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>>39978802
>>39978839
Yes. I don't like how that thing look like. But I guess you have your nostalgic glasses to see that and love.
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four categories
a good evolution in order of worth
>froslass
>probopass
>yanmega
>mamoswine
>honchkrow
>mismagius

superior to original but a bad evolution
>gliscor
>lickilicky
>rotomz
>glaceon
>electivire
>magnezone

ok -- feels like a mega evolution
>rhyperior
>ambipom
>tangrowth

a bad/uninteresting evolution
>gallade
>togekiss
>magmortar
>weavile
>dusknoir
>leafeon
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>>39978657
This, it was another Johto ass extension.
At least Kanto, Hoenn and Unova introduced a sizable dex on it's own
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>>39978657
Your taste is so goddamn awful, holy shit.
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>>39978981
hoenn and unova were both soft reboots
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>>39978641
I just hate Ambipom and Lickylicky
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>>39978641
Only Rhyperior, Magmortor, and Lickilicky are shit in design
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>>39979018
can you post the link for that template?
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>>39979021
https://tiermaker.com/create/gen-4-evolutions
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>>39978641
The only bad designs on there are Ambipom and Lililicky.
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>>39978988
this is why they were good imo
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Considering most of them are positive-neutral, the Gen 4 cross-gen evos were pretty good.
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they made a bunch pokemon useful?! fuck, why would they do this?
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>>39979018
what's wrong with yanmega? what does cohesive mean in this context?
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>>39978641
I feel like the only real stinkers are Lickilicki, Magmortar, Ambipom, and maybe Rhyperior.
Everything else is pretty good.
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>>39979098
Yanmega fuckin ugly m8.
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>>39979104
dragonflies aren't supposed to be pretty.
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>>39979101
accurate, those are the only debatable ones
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mamoswine is flawless, and that's a fact
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Green I like, Yellow could have been better, Red I hate, and the others are kind of meh but I don't think they are bad
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>>39978641
Honestly, none of them are perfect to me, but I suppose the goofiness is intentional and it just doesn't click with me. But I only really dislike Honchcrow, Tangrowth, Lickilicky, Rhyperior and Dusknoir for spoiling their evolution lines, and even though Magenzone, Weavile, Glaceon and Togekiss aren't as bad, they're still not as cool as they should be.
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Best one of the bunch.
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>>39978641
I like a majority of them but their shinies are ass. Just blue or red instead of whatever. Look at magnezone and magneton, ruined.
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>>39979104
but how is it not cohesive? I would say it has a pretty legible geometric language, which is refined to mostly banding elliptical shapes of only three colours. I don't really like itmyself but I wouldn't call it incoherent
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>>39978641
only one I don't particularly like is Rhyperior. Should have just went full kaiju
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>>39978641

here OP I crossed out the garbage
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>>39978641
>>39978641
I feel like all these pokemon (minus Mamo and Spagzilla) are underrated in competitive. Especially Mismag and Roserade

Design wise the only ones I'm not a fan of are Magmortar and the Jewish one
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>>39978641
>Godsend:
Weavile, Gliscor, Gallade, Mismagius, Ambipom
>What went right:
Porygon-Z, Honchkrow, Tangela, Magnezone, Roserade, Dusknoir
>Bugshit:
Yanmega
>Disgrace to the franchise and it's own line:
Electivire, Magmortar, Probopass, Rhyperior
>What went wrong:
Togekiss, Froslass, Lickilicky, Mamoswine, Leafeon, Glaceon
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They could have been better but they are overall good.
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>>39978641
They only ones that are wrong are Rhyperior and Magmortar.
The rest are varying degrees of okay to great.
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>>39978663
This but add Lickilicky
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>>39978737
Absolute excrement taste list.
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>>39978641
>Based:
Gliscor, Yanmega, Honchkrow, Roserade, Weavile, Mamoswine, Mismagius, Leafeon, Glaceon, Magnezone, PZ, Gallade, Froslass, Electivire, Togekiss, Dusknoir
>Meh
Lickilicky, Magmortar, Probopass, Tangrowth
>Cringe
Rhyperior, Ambipom

Overall they did pretty good
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>>39978641
In no particular order
>what went right
Porygon-Z
Gallade
Mamoswine
Gliscor
Tangrowth
Froslass
Mismagius
Magnezone
Roserade
Glaceon
Dusknoir
>what went ok
Honchkrow
Ambipom
Leafeon
Lickilicky
Togekiss
Yanmega
Probopass
>what went wrong
Rhyperior
Electivire
Magmortar
Weavile
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>>39980338
I think a good question to ask is: if the evolution was released in the same game as the base pokemon would you be confused by a lack of change or an incongruous change. Consider the evolutions of pokemon that were already pretty developed or "adult", so
>electivire
>rhyperior
>magortar
>togekiss
>dusknoir
which feel unnecessary. Then consider the evolutions that are excessive; these override the clarity or perfection of the base form
>honchkrow
>probopass
>roserade
>mismagius
>weavile especially
>ambipom more especially
>gallade in terms of the line as a whole
then there are pokemon that are arguably better executions of the original idea but which feel either excessive or unnecessary
>gliscor
>porygonz
>lickilicky
>tangrowth
you are left with three pokemon that respect the vibe of the base form and physically impress of meaningful change
>yanmega
>mamoswine
>froslass
the eevees aren't really relevant to this discussion, but I'll say they're pretty boring. I like vaporeon and sylveon.
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>>39978649
Agreed, about half of em went right. I feel like they didnt need to make 22 new evos. They couldve started with 10 at most
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>>39978985
If Sinnoh is your favourite dex, then yours really is. It's objectively the worst dex.
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What went wrong is not allowing most of these cross gen evos until the post-game and making the regional dex extremely limited
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>good tier
Can evolve with an item or move on level up.

>bad tier
have to trade to evolve
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>>39978657
Don't forget about the 7 (seven) completely pointless baby pokemon added in Gen4! Munchlax, Happiny, Mime Jr., Bonsly, Mantyke, Chingling, and Budew! All with horrible methods of birth and/or evolution to artificially extend the time needed to obtain all of them!
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I like cross-gen evos a lot and wish they did them more. I wish these ones were more viable in general tho
I also love Probopass and don't get why people hate it so much. I think it's a very nice progression from Nosepass and I really want to use one. I mean, I wish the typing was better, but
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>>39978641
this is all my opinion, but here i go with my rant of some of the ones I wish were different

>Yanmega
Cool that yanma got an evo, but it lost all it's charm and gained little: great speed boost user, given its high special attack, but still as frail as a real dragonfly, and STILL a bug/flying in the gen that introduced sneaky pebbles
How I would have liked it:
>10 more points in Sp.Def
>Bug/Dragon
>Levitate instead of Frisk (gives more options for builds)

>Mismagius
Only received 60 BPS boost through evo, which did not fix the issues with Misdreavus. What I feel should have been done
>+20 HP
>the magic aspect should have been expanded and it should have been GHOST/PSYCHIC

>Probopass
Reminds me of the Onyx/Steelix issue.
>-20 Sp.Def
>+20 HP
Fighting and Ground are mainly physical attackers, HP is more useful in a pokemon such as it (surely, 60 HP even with really high defenses cant be good)
Oh yes also the design is SHIT.
>lol its jew rock
Yeah, Its shit.

>Magmortar and Electrivire
>+10 HP, +10 Def
just a very very mediocre change but it lets it be a tiny bit more bulky
as opposed to many, i love their designs, but they LOOK bulky, so why arent they?

>Froslass
FAST-ish FRAIL MIXED ATTACKER
Along with Glalie it should have been buffed.
>Give it Levitate
>-10 Attack
>+10 Sp.Attack
>+10 Speed (which Glalie should have gotten too)
It's not great but it can be a sweeper of sort, and have a free switch on Ground types

>Lickilicky
This pokemon has to reason to exist, especially with such lame design. Its tongue is smaller than Lickytung's and so is its dick.
>better design, more enfasis on the tongue rather than being fat
>+10 Attack so it can do...something

The rest are fine in my book. I didnt overdo on buffs, just minor adjustments,
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>>39978737
>Mandrill face and 2 downgrades in S tier
Stopped there
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>>39978658
aw thanks anon, how throughtful
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>>39978641
Everyone in this thread that says evolutions/pre-evolutions are unnecessary is wrong. There's literally no better way to introduce new Pokemon than to tie them to older Pokemon, especially when it comes to the excitement of finding out that there is a new baby Pokemon or a new final evolution.

Granted, some of the designs suck and could definitely have been improved or remade from scratch, like Lickilicky, Rhyperior or Magmortar, but that doesn't mean that Lickitung, Rhydon or Magmar shouldn't have had evolutions.

Stop thinking that Pokemon is only for competitive battling. Many people appreciate the franchise for the worldbuilding and coherence they managed to have up until Gen IV and don't give a fuck about muh viable Pokemon. I would prefer 100 new evolutions or pre-evolutions added to pre-Gen V Pokemon than the absolute shit we got afterwards, which was made even worse by the fact that except for Sylveon there was no link to the first four generations or between the new generation themselves.
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>>39978641
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>>39981279
>having such a shit opinion
yikes

baby pokemon are never pointless you smogon addict, get over yourself, this is not a battling simulator
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I guess the objective answer is not great, not terrible, but I still don't like it because some of these are utter hoseshit.
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>>39982208
This also Gen V was the only meta where the same shitty gimmick plagued every tier.
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>>39978737
Sell me on Bronzong, I've tried to like it since it has a cool design origin and a damn good typing but it's just so boring and unappealing.
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>>39982208
Preach it.
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>>39978641
Too much “gets fat”. And penis finger monkey ruined Aipom. I can no longer like Aipom
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Thanks for giving Rhydon, the first Pokémon ever created, a really terrible evolution that sour Rhydon itself by proxy.
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some are a bit edgy but it's a part of gen 4's charm
at least they bothered giving older pokemon attention
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>>39978851
No. Bad.
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Am I too easy to impress?
Dunno, I just like most of them and I think they're perfectly fine evolution designs.
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>>39978972
>Rotomz
U wat niibba?
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>>39979104
Yanmega looks sick. What are you on?
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Pokemon's 2nd most potent pleb filer, outdone only by Vanilluxe.
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>>39985879
*filter
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>>39978641
Nothing. The only one I don't like is Probopass and Mamoswine. The availability of them however...is a problem. Its like they don't exist outside of Platnium and half of them don't learn good move's or you can have better pokemon of the same type on your team.
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>>39981279
baby pokemon serve a valuable purpose in the games of allowing earlier access to powerful pokemon, as a result increasing early-game diversity
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When will the rhyperior hate meme end?
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>>39978641
>What went right?
Mamoswine, Gliscor, Porygon-Z and Magnezone
>What went wrong?
the rest
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>>39978737
>Staraptor
>D
This actually hurt my feelings. Die
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>>39986315
Rhydonfags will eternally seethe about based RhySuperior
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>>39978737
>Floatzel, Staraptor, Pachirisu, Palkia, Porygon-Z
>D
>Rhyperior
>lowest tier
end yourself, this is beyond shit taste
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>>39978641
They are pretty good, but I'm mad they butchered my boy magmar
Magmortar is probably the ugliest Pokemon
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What y’all think?
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>>39986390
Based and the best post itt
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>>39978851
furry
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>>39981674
>Bug/Dragon
No
It’s best ability is Tinted Lens anyways so you’re better off boosting its speed
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>>39985879
>>39985895
You’re forgetting someone
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>>39979104
CEO of shit taste has logged on
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>>39985589
What did you want? A bigger Rhydon with more spikes?

>itjustgetsbigger



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