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"They already said they weren't going to add it, stop complaining!"

Caricatures of Apologists thread.
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>>39702124
Based original detailed drawing
>>39702079
Cringe unoriginal saved image
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>>39702079
here's this turd I shat out in 5 minutes tops
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I am silly
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>apologists are living their lives like normal
>while you guys are seething and making threads making fun of them

Yeah, you guys ""won""
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>>39703230
I make fun of both sides because mocking people is fun
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>>39703177
The toilet is a Mewtwo?
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>>39703230
I don't think anyone wins in this timeline anon.
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>>39703230
>apologists are brainless, soulless lemmings
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>>39703322
cope
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>>39703304
it was supposed to be a duraludon at first but I messed up
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>>39703230
>and yet, you post
can we just agree that the whole damn thing is absurd all around?
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>>39702079
I don't need caricatures. Apologists already are jokes
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>>39705369
this is what pokemon is about now
clapping back the haters
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>>39705369
NOOO WTF STOP SEETHING Y-YOU LOST ALREADY. I'M NORMAL!!!!
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Apologist Grand Master coming through!
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>>39705369
>>39705390
AAAUGH THESE PEOPLE WHO HATE SWSH ARE WORSE THAN GENWUNNERS!!!!! REEEEEEE! *flails limp wrists at a wall*
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>>39703230
>>apologists are living their lives like normal
>apologists
>normal
Yikes and consumepilled
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>>39705480
>W-we aren't the NPCs! C-COPE!!!
When will they learn?
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I love the sheer tone-deafness of these threads
it's like, yeah, these twitter screencaps are gonna solve the problem. that's what'll do it.
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>>39705480
>>39705487
I fucking hate consumerism so god damn much, that fact that people have loyalties brands even after they start taking away what makes them good is fucking terrible.
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>>39703177
Is that an evangelion reference?
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>>39705504
Sometimes, people don't realize how dumb they're acting until they see someone else do it publicly and then think "...holy shit...am I like that?..oh..oh wow...I need to sit down and rethink my life."
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>>39705510
I remember seeing in an MK XI thread where one poster kept calling anyone a 'retard' if they criticized any thing out MK XI. When even fans of the game called him out on it, he retorted that "If you're a fan, you would defend it and not criticize it." While he is obviously an extreme case, there are some people who legitimately have this mindset where you are either for or against something 100 percent. Liking something and being critical of it at the same time is something they can not process in their minds.
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You know for someone who is invested in Pokemon enough to make a lot of remixes of its music you'd think they'd know what the fuck is actually going on and what the problem is.
But nah, Masuda said "Hey we here you guys complaining. That is all." and is now getting praised as if any other company wouldn't have gotten relentlessly shit on by literally everybody at a magnitude far greater than Masuda is dealing with from the typical dexfag.

And of course, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, pic related.
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>>39705732
Holy shit people like this need to be executed. Leftards at fucking idiots.
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>>39705390
Losing the National Dex and some bad animations is okay because, as an open minded SwShill, I know the Z-moves will still be very good, r-right....b-bros?
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>>39705629
nobody with the capacity for that level of self-awareness is participating in the dexit argument
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>>39706374
Eh I disagree. These type of tactics eventually got people to turn on Genwunners once they realized how childish they were.
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Jesus you guys need help
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>>39702079
Great thread
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>>39702124
Imagine bolstering sales in excess of a game you don't need more than one copy of just because you're afraid guy on the internet's refusal to buy will kill your god.

Like, I like the series too but if you have that kind of money, try other fucking games instead of being a petty shit.
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>>39705732
Leftists fighting tooth and nail for their corporate overlords as per usual. Sucking that billionaire cock clean.
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>>39705449
Is this real?
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>taking your wallet
This is my issue with you faggots and I don't even like swsh, you blow it out of proportion and act like gamefreak is literally comitting actual war crimes.
A more accurate representation would be giving your wallet away. Nobody is forcing you to buy the new games, if you don’t like them, don't buy them, it's literally this simple. How have you whiny dramaqueen trannies not figured this out yet.
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>>39706973
>liberals suck corporate cock
>conservative republicans are the ones pushing for de-regulation and and corporate personhood
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>>39705836
Okay, but I want Double Kick not to look like a Stomping Tantrum
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>>39706999
>N-no only one side can suck corporate cock! Black and white!
They both do it, conservatives are just more upfront about it. Liberals do it behind the rest stop bathroom at night.
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>>39706985
>whiny dramaqueen trannies
We're not the ones who punch holes in walls. LOL.
>>39705449
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>>39703321
>buychads are staying comfy ready to enjoy some games next month
>anti-swooshers are likely about to kill themselves by the end of the month
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>>39707040
even liberals aren't very subtle about it.
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>>39706999
Um sweaty if you havent preordered the SwSh doublepack by now then you are a toxic entitled manbaby
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>>39707040
>Black and white!
my favorite pokemon games, thread back on-topic
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>>39707053
>gay autists
>chads
Sure sweetie. Enjoy your 60 dollar mobile game.
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>>39707133
is this real life?
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I know this is not the best thread for nuance, but I just want to make sure that we aren't attacking strawmen here. Just gonna shit out a bunch of words here.

My understanding of the apologist rationale and my rebuttals:
>The Pokedex is getting really, really big. Redundant and unpopular Pokemon are going to have to be cut sooner or later not only to make things leaner, but also to ensure more quality development.
While I might be on the fence about whether or not Dex cuts need to be made, the reason for doing so (better graphics and animations) isn't compelling. I really don't see the reason to reinvent the wheel unless Murphy's Law was in effect. The stuff from the trailers makes me doubt that Game Freak made any reworks or improvements on the models and animations respectively.
The only other reason Game Freak would remake the models is to make the models look less ugly when they're upscaled via Dynamax. That brings up a big counterargument, though: Why would they cut out parts of a critical feature (the Pokemon themselves) to satisfy a gimmick that will likely be abandoned next gen?

>We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. At the end of the day we can't condemn them for something we don't know the details about. Animation bugs can happen. Accusing a developer with over two decades of experience of incompetence is a very big jump.
We have seen evidence based on the models from Sun&Moon and Let's Go, and compared them to the trailers. I find it hard to believe that Game Freak would need to remake some models.
However, it is true that evidence=/=proof. Until the datamining occurs, we can't jump to conclusions. The evidence may be enough to doubt Game Freak and justify not buying a game, but it's not enough to justify heated castigation.
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>>39707168
You put a lot of work into this post, so I just wanted to say I appreciate and agree with you but also expect someone to respond with cope, seethe, have sex or tl;dr. It's just the nature of the beast.
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>>39707168
you're not gonna find nuance on /vp/ of all places, especially on summertimes. You either a Shill or a Dextranny.
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>>39706999
You sound like the type of person that unironically doesn’t want people selling children cocaine.
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>>39707238
This. We should give them gender reassignment surgery instead.
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>>39707238
I, anon, have a dream.
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(cont.)

>You aren't entitled to the exact game you want. Other gamers exists with different tastes and preferences. We shouldn't be unreasonable with our expectations.
It is true that the consumer is not entitled to a good game. It's not like Game Freak is lying to us (as far as we know) or giving us a broken mess (as far as we know).
But as consumers it's only fair that we expect a quality product. While it's true that some of the critics have been very caustic and nasty, most of us are just doing what a good consumer should do: voice their concerns to help producers improve on their product. If a developer produces an inadequate game, they have no good reason to expect a satisfying return on it.
Considering that Game Freak has already made the leap to 3D, and SwSh doesn't seem to have any noticeable leaps when it comes to Pokemon models and animations, I think it's fair to be skeptical about whether or not SwSh is up to standard.

>>39707196
Thanks.

>>39707208
I have no expectations for /vp/. If my pisspost helps chill things out, then at least I can be pleasantly surprised and quietly stroke my dick (figuratively). If it doesn't, whatever.
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>>39707238
adults need that cocaine, anon
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>>39707168
All Pokemon models are made exclusively by Creatures. GameFreak designers create 2D art from which Creatures bases the 3D models on. GF does all other modeling but Creatures are the ones who do the Pokemon. GameFreak is responsible for coding them into the game.

My best guess based on articles and forum posts by game devs/people with knowledge of 3D modeling is that it's some kind of porting issue. TPC President said that there was trouble moving from 3DS to Switch with Let's Go. Animation certainly isn't the root cause imo (they more stated animations were a side reason and the animations probably refer to whatever the fuck Pokemon Amie/Refresh is going to be this game. Pokemon Camp or whatever), their main issues was literally the size of the dex. Which means it's probably got something to do with "we don't know how to/it's too hard for us to port 1000 models onto these games because we're unfamiliar with the Switch."

Not going to argue that they're incompetent or anything, since I'm unfamiliar with the full process and Switch ports don't seem to exactly be easy to do. A lot of them end up delayed or taking longer than expected, but ultimately, I don't think the technical reasons why any of this is happening is the problem people have. People's main issue is just that GF, not even TPC, GameFreak alone, has the resources to make better games, they just don't want to use those resources. Because ultimately that's the problem. Franchises that sell similar amounts of units probably end up putting in $100m in development costs, Pokemon evidently does not cost that much to make, but still generates as much revenue.
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>>39707338
I'm hesitant to assume that Game Freak is withholding time and resources from developing SwSh. I think what's more likely is that Game Freak has priorities that don't line up with what most Pokemon fans expect. One of my biggest complaints with recent Pokemon games is that Game Freak is trying way too hard to make a compelling story when they suck at it. The characters they bring to me just make me want to shove them out of the way and trample over the events. ORAS's Delta Episode was a real slap in the dick for me especially.

My best guess is that Game Freak is trying to add new things such as field encounters and dynamax to offset what they aren't bringing back. I think that they do want to keep the game fresh and exciting, but I also think they've lost touch in how to make Pokemon solid and as fun as it could be.

Ultimately, I don't plan on buying SwSh, but if the datamining shows that Game Freak's decisions were justified, I won't castigate them for their decisions. I might even buy the game if they introduce enough features and improvements. I'm going to be patient and open-minded about this.
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>>39707260
Holy fuck thanks anon, I've been looking for this image forever. I've even made threads on here asking if anyone had it and was always ignored. Thank you very based anon.
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>>39707395
I've actually had a hard time finding it, too.
Anything else you're looking for?
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>>39705732
And here I thought shit like pic related was bad...

>>39706985
I don't think you understood the point of the image.

It's not about them walking away with your wallet, it's the comparison between the two. It's saying doing something wrong is acceptable if you just restate your intention to do so in response to criticism.

People act like we're supposed to stop complaining because Masuda responded saying the exact same thing which is obviously retarded.

You would continue to hound the person taking off with your wallet just like we should continue to hound them for making a shittier game intentionally, retard.
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>>39707642
>Joker main
To the bin the scrub's opinion goes
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>>39707080
>libs are the same as commies
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>>39703230

No one wins.

And dude, you're actually retarded if you think it's ok to be paying double the price for half the content.
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Pokemon inspires nothing but disappointment in me now
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So uh, i wasn't here for few months, I was just checking on /vp/... When did /pol/ containment leaked to /vp/?
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>>39703230
>apologists are living their lives like normal
But they are defending GF in every thread.
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Summary:
>/vp/ split into pro-SwSh and anti-SwSh
>pro-SwSh has unironically a lot of loud supporters who are gay or autistic.
>See >>39705369 >>39705390 >>39705449
>Despite this, pro-SwSh fans use the term "dex-trannies" to try and undermine the anti-SwSh people
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>>39707149
Oh it can get much worse
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>>39707857
/v/ likes to call everyone they don't like "trannies" or "NPCs" nowadays. They're pretty much an arm of /pol/.

>>39707928
Also, "woke" twats from twatter are drawing comparisons between Team Yell and anti-SwShfags even though Team Yell would more appropriately label rabid Game Freak apologists rather than rabid critics of Game Freak.
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>>39707969
>the textures are the same
Completely false. Engine changes don't magically change specific outlines they made for the 3DS textures.
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>>39706999
yea, both sides of the jew coin like to act like enemies to bolster the "team souf" vs "team norph" mentality of the population for that sweet sweet DnC(divide and conquer)
although i think that might not have been the point you where making.
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>>39707928

It's called psychological projection.
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>>39705390
>duralugon pic
These people just have to check all the boxes, don't they?
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>>39707928
>anti-swsh caught harrassing the devs on their personal twitters, harrassing masuda when he was talking about the victims of the hiroshima bombings, unironically comparing it to the holocaust , starting rape accusations about masuda and threatening to burn down the london pokecentre when it opened and generally being just as bad if not many times worse than the other side
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>>39708081
If these happen so often, why don't you post some here? I don't disbelieve you, but as an anti-SwSh I would like a chance to show that I do not approve of such behavior on my side as well.
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>>39708081
>harassing devs on their personal twitter
I'll give you that one

>harassing masuda when talking about hiroshima
The same people who reply to every single one of his tweets with the same picture and message, usually buried beneath hundreds of legitimate replies. Not worth thinking about.

>comparing to the holocaust
One guy. Laughed at by absolutely everybody. Nobody on the BBND side took it seriously.

>rape accusations
You can take away that plural. It was one. From a fresh account with no following that would have never been found if they didnt tack the national dex hashtag onto it. Coincidentally found extremely fast by Serebii and Ninsoup. Hmmmmm.....
Regardless, absolutely everybody has denounced this troll and called it disgusting. They do not represent the anti-SWSH side because the anti-SWSH side constantly shows that they do not agree with what was done there.

>threate ning burning down pokecenter
Absolutely nobody did this. You cant even find any proof. The ONLY thing even somewhat related to this I saw was defenders exaggerating saying it could happen, which sounds like projection and wishing it would just so they could validate their extremely weak bias.

Sorry mate. It's just not as bad as you want to think it is. Most of this toxic attitude you think is everywhere is one or two people which 99% of the BBND crowd denounce and dissociate from. Mmm...should I call every SWSH defender a pedophile because Xenochu is one? Look at how many people jumped to his defense when that giant google doc of evidence came around. Hundreds. Are all SWSH fans pedos and pedo defenders because of these outliers?
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>>39708155
A lot of people in this thread are basically conflating anyone who defends the games/is legitimately excited for the games with the retarded autists, so it's not like it's not being done.
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>>39703177
>>39702124
>>39702079

Just because you personally have not done it, doesn't mean others haven't. I've seen people actually make the argument that people who defended the games are on the same level as Xenochu just because he also defended the games. Both sides have equal amounts of autists, and all it's doing is confirming to gamefreak that their audience is filled with manchildren. Literally nothing will change because of this.
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>>39708219
>I've seen people
Then post screencaps
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>>39708219
>Xenochu
Redpill me on what or who Xenochu is. It's been a long day and I could use a good cringe.
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>>39708219
Admittedly, I have seen SOME instances, but if you aren't going to post any proof then your argument is dead.
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>>39708244
>>39708258
I'm not autistic enough to save screenshots of this garbage to win arguments online. You're free to not believe me because I don't have any screencaps but you can just go on fucking reddit or some shit and you'll probably easily find them.
>>39708247
I don't know anything other than he's a pedo, and he's a hardcore GF shill who has made up shit and tried to post them as facts to defend them.
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>>39708219
>just because one person on MY side spread fake information and is a pedo doesnt mean they all are
>but because one person on THEIR side made fake rape accusations, everyone is and supports them.
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>>39705369
>>39705390
People like this are very obviously mid teens if you read their posts. What I wonder is how the fuck people that age even get into Pokemon these days? Of all the things for a kid to get obsessed over in the age of the internet, they choose a franchise that peaked 10 years ago? Imagine how much they get bullied at school, no wonder they are so defensive.
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>>39708513
>he thinks glitch is in mid-teens
I don't know her age but I got some very bad news for you... she is definitely AT LEAST 20.
She's done remixes of pokemon music on yt for at least 7 years.
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>imagine getting so mad at being told your fantasies won't happen, you make this thread
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>>39708081
You dont get it anon. When a pro-swoosher have does something, it's 100% credible and counts for all of them. When an anti-swoosher does, it's only "one individual falseflagger"

Our anti-swoosher friends cannot keep a consistent narrative and are too self righteous to admit when they are wrong
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>>39707427
no that's it, thanks again anon.
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>>39705369
>Mr and -san in the same name
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>>39709008
lol You need to swap the pro and anti parts around bro
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>>39708219
You just admitted you lost. Now get out of my board, shill.
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>>39709145
>No U, bro
CRINGE and CONSUMEpilled
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>>39709152
>>39709145
Just kiss already, faggots. Ew.
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>>39709158
I...I wanna..Anon-kun's arguing makes me horny (/>~<\)
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>>39708081
Nice post. You’ve made it already. Still waiting for screencaps
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>>39709145
Prochads aren't the ones acting like them are fighting for some super noble cause and calling everyone shills to dehumanize them
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>>39709374
Yeah they're saying the most insane shit like "I'm only doing this to make crybabies mad" and "Oh, you're a Trump supporter (even though this is wholly irrelevant) so you are lower than trash, go shoot up a place" and identifying so strongly with their "I just piss ppl off LMAOOOOOO stay mad" in their Twitter bios."

I legit want to beat these people up for having the audacity to say this shit. Not like I actually would though because none of them have the balls to say shit like that in real life.
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>>39708081
>A dozen people did autistic things at the producer because of a bad business decision
>This means no one else a fanbase of millions is allowed to have an opinion
>This means you, consumer, are somehow morally obligated to buy the game

You're being ripped off, I'm happy to walk away from the franchise if this is the direction its going
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>>39708081
Imagine getting offend that a bunch of kikes being burned is compared to losing your bros, and being offended on the kikes’s half
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>>39707427
I'm having a hard time finding a video. It was something about speculating the next game after X and Y with how the story of AZ and the Floette would develop. It had Row row fight the power as background music and then it ended in showing stupid shit Gamefreak did.
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>>39703230
>>apologists are living their lives like normal
Doing what? Playing bad games? Fuck outta here.
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>>39707260
>It's not like Game Freak is lying to us (as far as we know) or giving us a broken mess (as far as we know).
But we do know that GameFreak is lying and the game is a complete mess.
Remember how they said that SWSH would be for older fans? Well it’s clearly not when they are actively making the experience for long time fans worse.
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>>39705836
> For every Double Kick, Tail Whip or Tackle there is a complicated Z-Move
> Z-Moves are Gone
> Z-Moves for the most part look like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryf9VAwTMG8

I feel like these people don't actually play the games, they buy it, talk about how quirky they are for playing Pokemon, and drop it in 2 or 3 days.
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>>39710439
They could just be out-of-touch. It's technically not a lie if there's no intent to deceive.
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>>39703177
based
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>>39710457
Even funnier is Xerneas' animation for Twinkle Tackle.
These people honestly have no standards, and are happy to shell out however much money for the latest thing with "Pokemon" stamped on it. Either that or they know deep down that it's a pile of shit and feel personally attacked by people who call it out for being exactly that.
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>>39710522
I feel like it's in due part of Pokemon's Popularity, It's a trend that will continue indefinitely and any attack on it is treated as a personal one, it's why you see "But it'll still make millions more than *insert game here*" because they need something to be seen as "dorky" without being an actual loser for, Pokemon is that perfect balance for them, not the actual games but it's social status.
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Tldr: Xenochu was the person who made the article about making models from scratch popular and is pretty much the biggest shill next to Joe, come to find out that he is a big time pedophile who abused/manipulated multiple younglings he's since disappeared from Twitter but his YouTube is still up
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>>39710457
I have to be honest. Even though that's unprofessional, I find that forgivable. It's too funny.
I have low expectations for Pokemon. I was forgiving of Game Freak's past disappointments, probably too much, especially ORAS. The Dex culling was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It just doesn't seem justifiable. Even if it should be culled for the sake of debloating, the technical reason for doing so doesn't make sense for me. Maybe the datamining will vindicate Game Freak, but until then I'm abstaining from purchase. I am also not going to grill Game Freak until the datamining shows the truth, but I can still question their decisions.
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>>39705836
>These people are legally allowed to vote
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>>39705423
プリースト アンダスタンド
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>>39707985
Outlines are shaders, not textures. And they're usually applied globally in a game like this. I'm not sure why I have to keep telling people this...
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He means the outlines on the textures themselves you mong, not the models. The textures are 100% different, they'd look way beyond ugly if they just used the same ones as they did on the 3DS.
The only obvious example I could point out from that image is the outline of muchlax's belly circle being clearly thicker on the 3DS, since it's lower resolution and would be barely visible if it used the texture that SwSh munchlax uses.
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>>39710915
Retextured? Yes. Different models? Nope
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>Oh man this guy on twitter made a rape accusation, guess I have to buy a shitty game now.
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>>39710595
Not to mention hundreds leapt to his defense and offered comforting words despite the evidence being overwhelming.
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>>39707133
What am I looking at here? Left is PokemonGo, right is Swsh?

Regardless, I like the look of the right, looks better.
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Best thread on /vp/ in a long time
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>>39710595
This makes me think the whole Masuda/rape thing was a falseflag meant to make similar accusations to Xenochu seem less credible.
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>>39705836
>SwSh’s lazy animations are okay because of Sun and Moon’s gimmick animations which were already confirmed to be axed
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>>39713555
Defends of SwSh say GF had to remake all of the Pokemon models and animations from scratch. However, there has been several bits of evidence that disprove this.
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>>39707238
Why... why would you want to give children cocaine...?
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I haven't played a pokemon game since X/Y. Can someone give me a rundown on why people are refusing to by Sword/Shield?
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>>39705390
where are its genders? how could I know how to refer to it?
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>Megas and Z-moves removed
>not all Pokemon are in
>Galar region looks super linear, moreso than Unova
>graphics look outdated for a console game
>UI is lazy and soulless
>animations are bad even for a Pokemon game, with some clearly reused despite GameFreak saying everything was made from scratch
>GameFreak in general being purposely ambiguous or dishonest about several elements of the game causing confusion
>some of the new Pokemon designs look bad or lazy, like even worse than previous gens
>costs money now to trade and battle because of paid online and Pokemon Home
>regular game costs 60 USD, 20 USD more than SuMo but has less content and quality control

tl;dr: It costs more for a game clearly inferior than what was currently seen as the weakest gen so far: Sun and Moon.
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>>39714566
Complain all you want I'm still going to by both versions and both sequel when they release. :)
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>>39714571
Why would I care? It's not taking money from my wallet. I just want people to be informed of what they are getting so we don't have shit like this >>39705836

Though I would suggest getting it used or just pirating it. Like, I'm getting Pokemon Masters but I am not spending a dime on re-rolls or shit like that.
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>>39714566
>graphics look outdated for a console game
You idiots sound absolutely retarded when you say shit like this
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>>39714566
>>Megas and Z-moves removed
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
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>>39714621
And how am I wrong? SwSh looks like a Wii game. Why should I pay 60 USD for that? I deserve better.
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>>39714635
>Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
I hated Z-moves, but Mega forms were the only things making Lopunny, Mawhile, Beedrill and Absol relevant.
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>>39714647
Cause it doesn't look like a Wii game. It looks like a Switch game
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I'm not buying SwSh or any game going forward if GF continues these types of practices. I have enough enjoyment of the existing games to hold me over
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>>39714647
Why do you think you deserve anything?
I don't walk into McDonald's and ask for a steak dinner just because I deserve it. If you want a better looking game buy a better looking game
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>>39714652
>It looks like a Switch game
Why you gotta lie, man?
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>>39714664
But if I pay for a Big Mac, and get a shoveled mess, and I not entitled to criticize? If I am paying more money for a Pokemon game, then at the very least I am expecting a slightly better experience. Nothing GameFreak has shown me yet proves that.
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>>39714665
You realize the whole game isn't that one tree right?
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>>39714681
If you willingly pay for a mess you get a fucking mess anon.
>If I'm paying money for a Pokemon game
You already said it isn't up to snuff. Why would you still buy it?
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>>39714694
Fair enough. Show me pictures of the game that make it not look 20 years outdated.
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>>39714707
But there is a difference between paying for junk food and getting junk food, and paying for junk food and getting shit.
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>>39714711
>XC2
>However, everything changes when >playing in handheld mode and image >quality takes a nose dive. Unlike docked >mode, playing on the go sees the >developers deploy a dynamic resolution >solution. The results range from 552p or >so to 432p and even as low as 368p in >some cases.
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I do agree shills exist but at the same time this place makes out that nuance doesn't exist.
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>>39714727
I'm still waiting for those amazing SwSh graphics, anon.
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>>39714651
>but Mega forms were the only things making Lopunny, Mawhile, Beedrill and Absol relevant.
only Mawile and Lopunny are relevant. Beedrill and Absol are still shitmons because they're completely outclassed.

Also Mega Evolutions are god awful way to """"balance"""" Pokemon. Plenty of Pokemon became good just fine without them.
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>>39714719
You're not paying for a game without knowing what it looks like. If you see shit, and then pay for shit because you asked for shit, you're going to get shit
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>>39714733
Did you want amazing graphics or Switch graphics?
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>>39714745
Okay that's pretty funny.
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>>39714665
This is a Switch game from last month. One that had 950 names in it's credits roll and had 4 years of dev time. One that had a significantly smaller world to create than Sword Shield due to being a startegy game. One that still runs at 30 fps with drops and struggles to stay at 1080p. One that has worse clipping animations so bad that sometimes soldiers will literally walk thru walls or trees.
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>>39714738
yeah i wanna buy it but i see that it looks like shit so imma hold off until they make it look not shit
aka full dex or whatever the fuck they gotta do to let me transfer every mon
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>>39714728
My main problem comes for the fact that gamers from both "sides" of the argument can't seem to rationalize well, or at least they can only express their shit through hashtags and twitter-size statements.
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>>39714759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y32ao5rMwJI

>Byleth's jacket sleeves flailing around horribly because its apparently attached to his cgi model's upper arms instead of being a separate piece
>those textures on fucking everything
>the horses fucking freezing mid-air while the scene shifts back to the in-door scene
>animations and even the fucking stance for petra and edelgard shamelessly re-used

l m a o
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>>39714814
Wow look at that
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>>39714821
Is this supposed to prove a point?
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>>39714814
but these guys didn't sacrifice fun, or series staples to make a shit product, they made a product that has visible proof of effort shown.
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>>39714852
Yes. The point that if you want to truly boycott it you should fucking boycott it or pirate it. Not buy used.
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>>39714852
I think they're implying that people who say they won't support Gamefreak but buying it used lack a backbone
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>>39714734
It doesn't matter what you think.
Some people liked Megas and there's no reason to remove them.
Mega Scizor was fucking dope.
Mega Beedrill actually made me use him and he looked excellent too.

Not everyone just rushes the game so they can fight people online. Some like to take their time and use their favourite pokemon in the story.
If you can't come up with a proper solution, at least let the players have some goddamn fun.
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>>39714859
SWSH clearly have effort put into them. You just can't see it because you have autism
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>>39714859
Actualy they made shitty product that looks like shit and is only passable because the last 3DS game was so utterly bad that they're getting a free pass, but is still inferior to post games unless you're a stupid person that really really enjoys bad writing and brainless menu-surfing that leads to your units being even more OP than they should fucking be.

It's bad, you just want to pretend it's good so you can have more "muh fodder" to shit on Sword Shield, but fact is that more than one bad game can exist.
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>>39714821
>implying gamestop still exists by SwSh release
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>>39705836
>There is a z-move
>Z-Moves aren't in swish
>>39708081
Pro-SwShers are literally pedophiles
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>>39714892
>phoneposting
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>>39714871
>Some people liked Megas and there's no reason to remove them
Them being poorly designed is the reason to remove them. If you liked them then go play the games with Mega Evolutions, it's not a reason for Game Freak to keep shitty mechanics in all their games.

>Some like to take their time and use their favourite pokemon in the story
Any Pokemon is usable in the story.
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>>39714955
>Them being poorly designed is the reason to remove them.
How we're they poorly designed?
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>>39714958
You can stomp every NPC in the game with them because they're blatantly broken and there's no reason not to use it every battle.

Only one is usable per team, yet Mega Evolutions aren't even balanced with one another so some Mega Evolutions vastly outclass others resulting in some Pokemon being left as shitmons even if they do get a Mega Evolution. There's no reason in the world to ever use a Mega Audino when Mega Lucario, Salamence, or Kangaskhan are sitting right there. They don't balance the game, they only make the power gap even more retarded and they purely exist so GF could reshill old Pokemon, which is why they stopped doing them immediately after gen 6 ended because all the Pokemon noteworthy enough to get a Mega Evolution already got one.
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>>39714989
>You can stomp every NPC in the game with them because they're blatantly broken and there's no reason not to use it every battle.
You can steamroll the game with a Pidgey, is Pidgey poorly designed?
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>>39715001
>You can steamroll the game with a Pidgey
If you actually put in effort, maybe. Mega Evolutions require no effort. It's a completely free win button.
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>>39715012
>Mega Audino can solo the game with zero effort
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>>39715086
If you're already using it on your team, and it has a mega stone, then yes, it's a free win button.
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>>39714566
I see. Well, I can't say all of that doesn't suck since you can't transfer your old mons and goes against the creed "gotta catch'em all" which is heresy, given it's Pokemon. On the other hand, I have given up playing vidya years ago which made me better for it, so I can see this as a blessing in disguise for the anti-buyers, who might invest their newfound time in a more constructive hobby. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if GF added past mons as DLC since GF stands for Get Fucked.
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>>39714873
show me the effort, brainlet.
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>>39714879
i hate the 3ds titles too, you know. are you trying to say that you're actually buying these games because it's better than usum?
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>>39715568
he meant the FE games
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I'm so tired of these half-assed threads bitching about Gamefreak that I can't even muster enough energy to care one way or the other anymore.
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>>39715582
well, i don't know the first thing about fire emblem, so that's where my expertise ends
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>>39714728
>>39714794
I tried to be nuanced here: >>39707168 >>39707260

There are better places to argue on than Twitter. The 280 character limit makes nuance and rationality nearly impossible.
On pretty much any position, one can find a fool that makes their side look bad. Its why I ignore the screencaps, as it could all just be cherrypicking or the vocal minority.
The ms paint drawings don't help. Political cartoons never help. They tend to be devoid of wit and accuracy.
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>>39714664
>Why do you think you deserve anything?
Suck more corporate cock, holy fucking shit. Kids are fucking dumb, soulless, drones now, goddamn
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>>39715644
oh I know, you admitted yourself for an attempt to make a nuance talk, but this is 4chins and a /v/ board at that, so it's practically impossible
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>>39715656
>now
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>>39715661
I just don't see the reason to get heated. I find that my anonymity makes me a better person. There's no pressure to defend a reputation. If I'm losing an argument I can pussy out. If I post something retarded, I don't have to worry about that being used against me. Since I'm typing rather than speaking, and therefore nobody expects me to instantly respond or improvise quickly, I can take the time to evaluate my words and articulate myself as best as I can.
I guess it also helps that I try to detach myself from my opinions. Opinions change, so why be stubborn about them?
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>>39714852
it's a caricature of an apologist, just like OP asked.
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>>39715703
it's more like the audience here, despite what people tell you, are the same idiots found in reddit and twitter
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>>39714955
>Them being poorly designed is the reason to remove them.
Then can we remove every Galar mon besides Corviknight?
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>>39714098
Worse is the fact that the guy actually thinks each individual move has its own animation for Z moves, not realizing only exclusive Z-moves have unique animations
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>>39715111
>when you realize you're just been caught out on your bullshit but need to dig your heels in anyway because you think admitting fault is a weakness
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>>39716191
Caught on what bullshit? Everything I've said is correct. You're the one inventing this imaginary scenario where a retarded player is playing with only one Pokemon instead of just slapping stones on their preexisting Pokemon and using the free win button.
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>>39716203
>Mega is a free win
Gigantamax is the almost the same thing but now you get 4 z-moves to compensate the time limit. If you REALLY think Megas are bad or broken, then just wait until the new meta revolves around 3 different G-max Pokemon.
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>>39715111
Sure
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>>39716279
>Gigantamax is the almost the same thing
No, because Dynamax doesn't work in all areas of the game like Mega Evolution does. The only time you can use Dynamax is when your opponent is also going to use it such as Gym matches.
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>>39715644
>On pretty much any position, one can find a fool that makes their side look bad
This goes for literally everything on all sites. It's why "hurr this is you" screencaps are so cancerous.
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>>39706973
This is somehow the stupidest post in the entire thread, congratulations.
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>>39717217
>*sniffle* *whimper* d-don't make fun of liberals!
Fragile as always I see.
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>>39717238
I'm all for making fun of liberals and whoever else you wish to target, but at the very least make it 1) sensible and 2) funny. Slapping a leftist label on everyone you don't like is peak idiocy.
Criticizing Gamefreak for their awful business practices and educating others about it is pretty much the most left thing you can do in context of Pokemon.
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>>39717348
Equating these guys with everything that the left is standing for is no different than makig bible humpers the prime rightwing specimen.

While I can understand perceiving Trump supporters as mouthbreathers, knocking off all their arguments (especially when political affiliation has little bearing on the issue at hand) because of one mistake is just ridiculous.

Get it through your thick skull: not letting the companies do as they please and standing up will always be, by definition, leftist.
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>>39708857
>having decent, even bw/b2w2 level pokemon games is a fantasy
>mfw

You're not even wrong.
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>Arguing politics with a defensive leftist on the Pokemon board
Jesus Christ what's wrong with me. Deleted that post right away.
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>>39705511
>zoombabies who only watched NGE when it came on Netflix now think any crucifixion is a fucking reference
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>>39717409
No, because the "right" thing in that scenario is to ignore them. It's not your product and not your money, so you're not allowed to say anything about it, just shut up and make a competitive product if you know better.

It's the left that looks at the bigger picture and considers the harm that can be done to the society/environment/consumers/the product itself.

Don't rebrand terms with official definitions just so they fit your agenda.
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>>39717422
If you understood the flaw in your perception, then I'm hapy for you.
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>>39705732
The anti-dexfags unironically won that argument though.
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Captcha ate my image.
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>>39717451
The most shameful thing of all is arguing about politics on the Pokemon board. I'd delete all of my political posts if I could. Hope you're smart enough to do the same.
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>>39717454
There's nothing shameful in trying to educate someone, no matter the board. Especially on /vp/, where the average user age is incredibly low. I cannot stand kids being fed lies and half-truths.
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>>39707238
Tell me this is a meme
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>>39717461
You didn't really educate though, you just gave your sophomoric perspective on the world. On the Pokemon board of all places because your political team was attacked and you got offended.
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>>39717461
You're a good man, anon.
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>>39717454
You're a good man anon.
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>>39705657
This is what boys band are based on.
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>H-he insulted my very slightly above average intellect. How dare he! I'm going to write a very angry post right now. I'll show him to call me stupid for talking about politics on the wrong board
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>>39717467
I don't care if majority of 4chan is using the term "the left" incorrectly, including that anon who deleted his posts out of shame upon realising that he doesn't even know what he's talking about - if I see lies being spread and have time, I will react. Pokemon board is as good as any other.
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>>39717489
>Um actually modern leftists don't do this because the dictionary definition...
Yikes you're dumb. I deleted my posts because they were offtopic and i'm better than you but unfortunately there's a limit.
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>>39715656
You're an absolute fucking moron
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>>39703177
I get it, Joe's not a shill, he's just a fucking idiot.
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>>39717498
*slurp* *slurp* *slurp*
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>>39717489
>>39717492
Well luckily you saved my post willingly on your computer and reposted it like the politics obsessed loser you are.
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>>39717492
>modern leftists
Here we go again.

But honestly, all that shame and moving goal posts is a good sign. Now you're just trying to defend your pride instead of flawed views, which is a progress in my book.
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>>39717509
>Passive aggressiveness out of nowhere
Not a very good educator...
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>>39708219
>Both sides have equal amounts of autists, and all it's doing is confirming to gamefreak that their audience is filled with manchildren. Literally nothing will change because of this.
That really is the rub at this point, isn’t it.
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>>39717509
>Shame
>Pride
>4chan posts
Just noticed this. Holy cringe, I knew leftists treated imageboards like some battleground but this is absurd.
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>>39710185
Unironically yes, that’s what they’re doing.
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>>39717524
You seem awfully moved by this conversation. I was meaning to take care of other things, but is there anything else you would like to talk about? Maybe about that little obsession with "leftists" of yours? Show me where the big bad leftist touched you.
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>>39717543
>N-no u
I'm an intellectual giant compared to you Jesus Christ.
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>>39717547
Okay then. That's enough progress for one day, little steps are good enough.
Take care, anon.
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>>39714571
Fucking yikes.
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>>39717560
Okay, next time I hope you do better and don't take 4chan posts personally
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>>39714652
No it literally doesn’t.
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>>39717504
>Don't buy a product if you don't like it
>OMG STOP SUCKING CORPORATE COCK
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>>39717569
It unironically does.
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^
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>Why should I pay more for less content?
>Fucking entitled manbaby! You should suck corporate cock like me!
That's what you meant to say
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>Can't even quote
>Projecting
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^
>P-p-projecting
I don't intend to buy an inferior product and defending my corporate master like a good little cuck though?
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>>39717604
GOOD! If you don't like a product don't support the company. Just don't feel yourself into thinking you deserve anything. I'm literally telling you not to buy a product if you don't like it but you're retarded so you think that's somehow defending them
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>Just don't fool yourself into thinking you deserve anything.
That wasn't what the original argument was about. It was someone saying consumers who bought something weren't entitled to what they paid for.
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>>39713908
It was a falseflag. At the very least, it was meant to make all dexers look bad and kill the #BringBackNationalDex hashtag.
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>>39717669
Well I never said anything like that so
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>>39717689
Why did you jump in the middle of a conversation and then get mad at me for assuming you were the person who did say that? Doesn't seem very smart...
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>>39717696
If you're the same anon I was talking to, you responded to me saying
>Why do you think you deserve anything?
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>>39717704
>>39714664
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>>39717707
Yeah, those are both me, and you literally just said the argument was about something else
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>>39717709
Yikes. Don't tell me you believe the customer isn't entitled to a good product when they pay for something.
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>>39717712
If you buy a product without knowing anything about it and it isn't up to your expectations your outrage is very clearly warranted. However, if you haven't bought the product yet, or you intentionally buy a product you think is shit you don't deserve anything
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>>39717716
Does benefit of the doubt not exist anymore?
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>>39717722
I don't understand what you mean
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>>39714821
I lost brain cells reading this shit.
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>>39717587
It doesn’t.
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>>39714759
>>39714814
Shit the fuck up, you faggots wish pokemon could ever look even half as decent as this.
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>>39714879
You’re a complete fucking retard with absolute shit taste in everything, fuck off forever.
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>>39716203
>Megastones is a free win
Ironically, the only Mega that can be considered a Free Win in Mega Fug, which is the only mega to not require a mega stone.
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>>39714794
you can thank social media for that
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>>39714566
Unova was not fucking “linear” you idiot.
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>>39717238
Liberals literally aren’t leftists you dumbass fucking vegetable.
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>>39717374
>Get it through your thick skull: not letting the companies do as they please and standing up will always be, by definition, leftist.
This doesn’t apply to video game companies. Playing video games at all is inherently un-leftist.
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>>39717492
>because i'm better than you
Not him but holy shit, are you 5?
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>>39717547
Imagine unironically saying this to another anon on 4chan
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>>39717722
No? You’re not entitled to anything jesus christ.
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on the megas removal i have this to say, i think that galar is from the universe in which the ultimate weapon was not fired
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>>39717374
>Get it through your thick skull: not letting the companies do as they please and standing up will always be, by definition, leftist.
So I see your understanding of politics is early stage “cuckservatives vs libtards”.
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>>39717560
Jesus you had the chance to bow out gracefully and this is what you go with? Imagine being sad enough to actually type this
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>>39718229
I think the worst part of this era of political trolling is that we can all be aware that you’re trolling, point it out, and try to have fun with it, but you’ll only respond with the same soulless unfunny bait because you don’t know how to reply in a creative way. It’s so boring compared to the golden years of trolling. Your job could be done by AI
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>>39718301
He's a big boy
>>39717461
Doing very important work. If he doesn't share his simplistic and juvenile world view on the Pokemon board, who else will?
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>>39718394
Imagine typing a paragraph in response to a single line of trollbait.
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>>39718550
It's pasta anon.
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>>39707238
Diavolo pls go
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>>39714566
Just passing through, but animations are reused allllll the fucking time. Disney recycles animations like nobody's business.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying it's common af
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>>39707391
GameFreak is quite literally withholding resources from the Pokémon games. Look up their Town project. They are developing that and SwSh simultaneously, and rumors are that GameFreak's A-team is working on Town while the B-team is on SwSh.
Additionally, despite working on literally the most profitable media franchise ever (not video game, ALL MEDIA), they refuse to hire more employees to create a better product. They literally have 143 employees. Not developers, EMPLOYEES. Developers are probably 50-70% of that.

It's just a fucking disgrace that the Pokémon console debut is this bad. They should have followed Samurai's lead, made an "Everyone is here!" moment, and then announced this would be the last time the stars would align. Now it's just shit.
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>>39719025
You're completely ignoring the fact that they use contractors and freelance people. They had like 80 employees during XY, but the credits had 200 people on them not including the localization teams
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>>39719025
>143 employees
Do you not know anything about videogame development?
That's not an abnormally small team for a title like this.

Overwatch had about 100 employees working on it in 2016, though probably more now, and Apex legends doesn't have many more than that, currently. Both of those also require constant heavy duty support

T. Covered Overwatch and Apex for podcasts
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>>39718550
Imagine thinking two lines of text is a paragraph
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>>39718166
>liberals aren't considered the left wing party in America
Yes yes I know they differ from the classic definition of liberal, you're so very smart for pointing that out. When you grow up a little, you realize that being pedantic isn't actually being intelligent and it just annoys everyone around you.
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>>39709442
>saying a different opinion means no one else is allowed to have an opinion
>saying a game is fine means everyone should be forced to buy it
M Strawman EX
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>>39720498
The subtext of lecturing others about how Masuda and Game Freak have been harassed is clearly about trying to discredit and demean people that don't like how SwSh is looking by boxing both the critics and the neurotic people all in together

We know this because pro-SwSh fans will bring it up when criticism is levelled.

There are moderates, but the twitter trannies that care enough about this issue to put it in their bio mystify me.
What is this brand of autism compels them to simultaneously demean their opponents as both impotent incels and also credible threats to Masuda's career safety?
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>>39715556
we can't
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>>39721027
This. I still believe the whole Masuda-false rape accusations were just SwShitters falseflagging while also trying to downplay or undermine real accusations at Xenochu.
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>>39705369
Shut The Fuck Up And Buy The Game. Or I Will Kill My Self #TransRights #PkePositivity #MyDadHatesMe
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>>39710185
Yes, while youre here seething.
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>>39705511
I'm becoming unreasonably upset at the implication that people think a fucking crucifixion is an anime reference, even ironically
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>toxic toxic toxic toxic toxic
remember when we used to make fun of people for using this word to describe other people because it was basically an sjw exclusive thing? what happened to those days? why does everyone use that word here now?
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>>39723701
It's because SJWs have long since infested this board, as they have every other. /pol/acks and rightwingers are obviously going to debate if someone else starts shitflinging and continue the downward spiral. If politics were never brought up in the first place this would be happening less but some fucking idiot needs to virtue signal on an ANONYMOUS image board.
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>>39720212
imagine thinking it isn’t



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