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>game so bad it killed the entire spinoff
based
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baddy bad post
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furry kusoge series
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>game so bad it killed the entire spinoff
Did they really have to go full furry this last game?
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>>38564639
It was a pretty good game.
GameFreak killed outsourced Spin-Offs because they make Main Line look like shit.
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>>38564639
It sold pretty well
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Super Mystery Dungeon is much MUCH better than Explorers of Sky.

>"b-b-but muh comfy Wigglytuff's guild!! I hate being in elementary school ;("
"No!"

Sure Explorers' story is cool by Pokemon standards and had enough twists to tickle my 14 year old brain, but the gameplay was a slog (also too easy) you suffered through for the story. Super Mystery Dungeon's gameplay is so good that it's by far my favorite roguelite. Each dungeon is shorter but harder than those of its predecessors, with a lot more variety in movesets and the emera system encouraging exploring the whole floor and mixing things up on each run.

I can rewatch Explorers' cutscenes on YouTube, but if I actually want to replay a GAME, I'd play Super again in a heartbeat.

Oh and Super has one of my favorite soundtracks in vidya, if it were the OST to a high profile game it'd be hailed as one of the greatest of all time by everyone, too bad it's a Pokemon spinoff everyone overlooks
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>>38564652
I wanted to jokingly say based about one of them, but no, there isn't a single good thing from this image
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>>38564652
For some reason, people's fursona being 'pokemon but with a human haircut and glasses' is one of the most pathetic things I can think of.
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>hardest game in series
>most refined gameplay in series
>all dungeons shorter but harder than previous games; simultaneously less tedious and more challenging
>huge variety in learnsets instead of Tackle and Water Gun for 80% of the game
>more moves with different properties, instead of 90% of moves being 1-tile like previous games
>emera system adds lots of variety, makes the game more like a roguelike, encourages exploration of entire floor
>11/10 god-tier music, unironically one of the best vidya soundtracks from the past few years
>items are actually useful and necessary

Welp, time to reinstall Super Mystery Dungeon. What a great game
https://youtu.be/usuKnzJLoHU
https://youtu.be/U_26FmINEJI
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>>38564670
>not liking literally my mom's yamask
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>>38564701
if only they didn't fuck up the missions and recruits it would've been perfect!
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>>38564652
This is so sad.
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>>38564670
I like the little Arceus
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>>38564701
fucking this.
I'm still halfway through the game and I think it's better than Red/Blue and Sky (gameplay-wise).
But yeah, the better story goes to Sky easily, Super is more fun still.
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>>38564639
It was just as good as BRT and EoS, even better than them in some aspects.
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Chunsoft isn't going to betray us and release a mobile phone game, right?
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>>38564652
Lucariofags are the most autistic and disgusting subhumans ever
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>>38564666
>>38564701
god why are pmd osts so damn good
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>>38564639
i know this is bait but it hasn't been that long, wouldn't be surprised if they announce a new one sometime after sword and shield's release
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To my shame my Torchic/Chikorita team couldn't make it past Poliwrath Pond.
I'm not against starting a new game but my question is; should I give Super another shot first or should I try EoS which I've never played?
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>>38564639
Super > EoT/D/S > Gates > Red/Blue rescue team
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>>38564639
It was a great game. It's absolutely not it's fault that console spinoffs are now dead.
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>>38565377
>To my shame my Torchic/Chikorita team couldn't make it past Poliwrath Pond.
Don't be afraid of using items and you'll make it through. Once you begin to find gold bars, use them to buy vitamins to increase your stats. Beat Cobalion as soon as you can so you get the Water Looplet to use vitamins on 2 Pokémon at once.

>should I give Super another shot first or should I try EoS which I've never played?
Playing Sky first might be a good idea, but only so that you get all the references Super makes to the other games.
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>>38564652
>wants to be a magical creature which seemingly breaks many laws of nature and logic
>gives themselves short-sightedness

Knowing furfags they probably use as an excuse to get anal raped.

>Oh no! I've lost glasses sure hope no big pokemon sticks 20 inches up my ass
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>>38565486
I think they consider glasses a part of their identity. Or maybe they just think it looks cool.
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>>38564652
>Pink umbreon
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>>38564652
Wait what the fuck is this
I never cared for mystery dungeon, is this official art?
Holy fuck I'm cringing so hard
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>>38565522
It's not official. It's fan art based on the official art in the OP.
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>>38565522
Are you serious? Of course it's not official.
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Remember, there's no escape from Reborn
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>>38565404
>ywn have shadow-lugia in a regular game
It's not fair.
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Super did improve the combat system but the story and recruitment system was just so bad.
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>>38565513
what's wrong?
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How could all you guys post before going through the 4 hour tutorial on how to post???
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>>38565821
The recruitment system was fine, just different. Only problem are the breaks. Story was okay, second half was a bit confusing but Serene Village was fun. Gates to Infinity still has the best story.
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>>38566004
It's not a 4 hour tutorial, it's a few 30 second tutorials being spread thorough the first 4 hours of the game.
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>>38566041
Which are all shit and limit you to walking from one cutscene to the next.
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>>38566059
Are you referring to the game forcing you to progress the story?
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>>38566072
No, I'm refering to basically sitting through a video instead of playing PMD.
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>>38566080
All of the games are cutscene heavy though. Well, except the Wiiware one.
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>>38566086
Not as much as Super. Look at the first hours of PMD/2. You can do your own jobs and shit in what? 30 minutes? Probably less.
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>>38566005
>The recruitment system was fine, just different

"Hey, remember when you could have other pokemon on your team? Well now that you're 50% of the way through the entire game, despite still being into tutorial village, you can have any pokemon ever made on your team! Even the vast amount of genuinely useless ones! Except you don't actually recruit and form any type of emotional attachment to them, they're just pokemon you complete quests for doing you a favor and coming along for a bit, or just friends of friends that you'll never pay attention to because HEY here's also a free level 50 Salamence two dungeons into the game. We understand that's going to make you never need to take anyone else ever, so every so often they'll just be too busy to be on your team and lock the option to take them. But hey, this level 5 Burmy is feeling energetic today, why don't you take it with you to this end game fire-based level?"
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>>38566296
tl;dr autism
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38564639

Not even worth the (You)
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>>38566338
great argument
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>>38566378
thanks
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I want PMD to come back so bad. ;_;
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>>38566296
This right here and the TERRIBLE pacing. Otherwise would have been an at least tolerable game.
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>>38566412
you can play chocobo haha
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>>38566511
or any other md game. they're not bad.
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>>38564701
70% of the main story is filler. The story only gets it going once you're approaching the credits.
Explorers also still has a more memorable OST.
Recruits suck
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>>38564652
Why do people keep reposting this?
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>>38566535
>70% of the main story is filler. The story only gets it going once you're approaching the credits.
It's the other way around. 70% of the story is good, the part before the credits is just a bunch of random plot twists and Explorers references.

>>38566553
I also wonder this. Stop posting that please.
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>>38566535
>70% of the main story is filler. The story only gets it going once you're approaching the credits.
seriously, just cut the whole school part down to just an intro or something (or even better, cut it out altogether) and the game would have been way better.
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>>38566589
>giving up comfy school slice of life with pokemon for an explorers fanfic full of characters with no personality and nonsensical plot twist
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>>38566831
yes
1000fuckingpercent yes

You wan SoL? Play a dating sim VN or something. You're probably one of those people desperately wishing you could go out on dates with your partner in the game.
God forbid a game about adventure and fighting animals actually has adventure and fighting in it, right? Crazy idea, but maybe, just MAYBE if they didn't have to cram the actual adventure and story behind an 8 hr long tutorial zone, they could have actually devoted time to fleshing out the guild characters and plot more
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>>38566511
>>38566521
This. The PMD games are actually the worst ones
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>>38564639
>kills non-mobile spinoffs by selling worse than literal cardboard
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I think Super is a decent game and much better than Gates, but the anons saying its on par with Explorers or better are delusional.

Super is almost entirely ruined by the garbage recruit system, dreadful pacing and intro. I mean you can't even name the pokemon, how the fuck are you supposed to self insert?
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>>38567187
The gameplay is much better than explorers and the story has way less plot holes.
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>>38565404
>XD
Underage and redditpilled
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>>38567012
You can have adventure and fighting in a setting like Serene Village. In fact, Super did just that. Having more in-depth interaction with the characters/the partner could be fun, but I'm not "desperately" asking for it.
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>>38567187
>self insert
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>>38567436
and more interesting ideas and better characters (in serene village, at least)
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>>38567583
>using that meme in 2019
friendly janitors are lazy fucks and some of them will ban users if yo usay anything bad about their pokemon
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>>38567837
Can't beat them, join 'em
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>>38567187
>are delusional
The term you're looking for is "disagree".
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>>38567793
>You can have adventure and fighting in a setting like Serene Village. In fact, Super did just that
if your idea of adventure is "okay class today you're going to run through a 3 minute long dungeon to learn about emeras, which I will explain to you before, during and after your expedition in detail that a toddler would think is overkill", then I'm sorry but your bar on adventure is LOW.
Did you also enjoy when SM stopped you ever 2 minutes to give you a cutscene on what Lily has been up to?
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>>38567820
not even remotely close
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>>38567960
I was referring to plot points like fighting Gabite, the Beedrill, the Litwick, saving Goomy, finding Ampharos.

>during
Didn't happen.

>and after
I don't remember this happening either.
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>>38567990
I actually had to look up what those bosses were. The village was such a boring slog I didn't even remember them.
Again, very low bar.
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But it did just fine. The partner fucking sucks though
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>>38568208
Really? Who's your favorite?
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>>38568249
not them, but if I had to pick, probably Explorers partner >= Rescue partner >>> Super Partner. Never played gates so idk what they're like in that one.

Super partner was just such an obnoxious asshole.
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>>38564639
If GtI or those shitty eshop versions nobody remembers didn’t kill the franchise than Super for sure won’t.
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>>38565404
>bad
I didn't think it was possible to be so wrong
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>>38568411
Super and GtI had my favorite partners. Rescue Team and Explorers were kind of boring desu.
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Didn't buy it and won't buy others if they keep their garbage recruitment system, among other things. I think the best part of the older games was how well their 2D pixelated style worked. Gates to Infinity just had too much BS and too few dungeons for me, not to mention lack of variety.
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Super is unironically kino
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>>38568957
noooo it's different so it's bad! like gen5!
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>>38564639
There's still a whole well of untapped potential here.
I remember some anon who was designing a PMD fangame several years back. Haven't been to /vp/ much to catch up. I wonder what happened to that faggot.
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>>38564701
>hardest game in series
I'm gonna stop you right there, the game's piss easy fi you know how to play it, if you manage to complete the Salamence mission once it appears you have a lv.50 dragon as a playable character in a moment you're supposed to be around lv.12, that shit's broken and can carry you for pretty much half the game, the emera system is also broken once you realize how to abuse them.

This game by far is the easiest to cheese through.
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>game so bad it killed the entire spinoff
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>>38564652
>Zoroark is unchanged
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>>38569166
Everything is easy "if you know how to do it". Super is harder to figure out for those who are unfamiliar with it. Remember, those games are for children. And I know children had trouble with Explorers. Wouldn't be surprised if the ones who had Gates to Infinity as their first game had trouble with it, too. Super is undoubtedly the hardest. You're just more skilled than the target audience.

>This game by far is the easiest to cheese through.
Not as easy as stopping 20 minutes to grind a couple times during the story.
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>>38569249
Why wouldn't anyone know how to do it? You have a 5 hour tutorial for that!
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>>38569166
And yet you never see anyone complain about how hard the previous games are, while Super is well known for its difficulty.
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>>38567134
>DLC presumably cancelled

I'm still mad, Pokken was actually lots of fun.
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>>38565821
>5 damage A attack
defend this
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>>38567134
maybe they shouldn't have released the same game like 1 year after they already released it
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>>38569296
Super's difficulty mostly comes from terrible balancing. Sacred Ruins isn't a fair kind of hard, it's a bullshit kind.

>gastly that most pokemon flat out can't hurt because of starting with Normal moves, that takes like 3 damage from the A attack, that can also stunlock you for dozens of turns
>pelliper that can just snipe you from across the room
>shedinja you probably can't even kill, but the early enemies can kill them and if that happens you're even more fucked
>bellossom OHKO's the entire pokedex
>durants with an OHKO attack
>cloyster with hydro pump
>pyroar AKA Mr Hyper Beam
>delphox with nothing but ranged attacks and a random wand
>the game doesn't ease you into this shit at all, this is almost all on the first few floors
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>>38569458
On the same note, the only 99f low level dungeon in the game is pathetically easy. You just find an Ally Reviver emera and cower behind your allies for 99 floors.
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I want to fuck my riolu partner so badly
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>>38569458
Sacred Ruins cockblocking my 100% of that game still haunts me
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>>38564639
It's not fair
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>>38568249
No idea, probably Explorers by default? I don't remember how Rescue Team's partner behaved.
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>>38570221
RT's partner get turned into a blank NPC post game.
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>>38570229
yeah but to be fair, they all do that in the post game
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as much as I love pokemon, OP ur not wrong
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>>38570160
Right? I can knock out Zero Isle South any day of the week but Sacred Ruins is just plain bad game design, especially because there's no reward.
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>>38570313
I don't really mind the lack of a reward. That sort of thing I would always leave for last in a game anyway. I just have had a few too many bad run-ins with those Bellossom after finally getting some momentum. I could probably get it if I kept trying, but it just feels like I'm fishing for a random number generator to be kind
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The next Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is coming to Switch in 1-2 years.
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>>38570344
I wish I knew what level that fucking Bellossom was, because whatever it is, it's astoundingly high. There is no reason a pokemon found that early on should be able to OHKO pokemon like HEATRAN with a grass move of all things.
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>>38570355
I will respond to this post in 2 years. Don't lie to me.
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>>38564701
>posts music to try to prove how good Super's music is
>generic and forgettable
https://youtu.be/Xemre8L7hKs
https://youtu.be/NvGA_p9wsi4
https://youtu.be/9hSrrXJkHjQ
https://youtu.be/Tifw1fPKhb4
https://youtu.be/SeTquTnNO8g
https://youtu.be/9zaERUdyW1k
https://youtu.be/3DdXpvykQjw
I don't even dislike SMD.
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>>38571890
>SMD
>generic and forgettable
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>>38571910
I'm only basing this on the examples he posted.
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>>38569416
I was like super into pokken until they pulled that bullshit, why not just wait until the switch is out or at least announce before that they're going to drop support for the switch version?
I'm still super salty about it. God I hope the developers get fucked with a rusty railway tie.
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>>38564639
I'm pretty sure this was planned to be the final MD installment from the start. That's why they really focused on having all the pokemon in it.
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>>38572043
Sky had all the pokemon in it, barring Arceus anyways. It's not really any different
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>>38564652 cursed image
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>>38565821 wouldn't say the story was bad but it took forever to get going. I was so bored for the first few hours of the game
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>yfw the next PMD game is a Fantasy-Life-esque life-simulator game where you can be any Pokémon you want and choose to be stuff like a criminal, explorer, rescuer, shopkeeper, etc
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>>38564701
Super also had the best partner.
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>>38572674
this
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>>38572654
I don't care about being ANY pokemon since I can't imagine they'd do all the portraits in that case, but I want some of the oddball choices back. Super sucked in that regard, that you had to be a starter or Pikachu or Riolu. I want the Cubone, Machop, Shinx, Vulpix, Axew, etc. type options back.
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>>38564639
Super was way better than Gates
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>>38573734
>tfw the starters from Adventure Squad never returned
at least i feel justified in starter editing for them
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>>38573734
>>38573804
I guess story evolution is the reason we didn't have more interesting choices in Super. Even Gates to Infinity tried to at least have Axew.
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>>38573826
The funny thing is, most of the pokemon work fine. Ralts was going to be a starter from what I hear, but i guess pokemon with split evos were an issue.
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I still think it's weird that there was a whole plot about Virizion cucking Dunsparce with his best friend.
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>>38573838
Huh? Where did you hear that?
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>>38564639
PSMD is fucking amazing and is easily the 2nd best game in the franchise, only topped by explorers of sky.
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>>38565522
Congrats! You win retard of the day award.
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>>38569458
That's one dungeon, not the entirety of the game.
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>>38564639
PMD was never good
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>>38574273
>0 negative reviews
>0 mixed reviews
>25 positive reviews
>8.8 score
Sounds pretty good.



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