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>Bug is resisted by 7 (seven) types
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and bug itself resists ground and fighting which are two of the best offensive types in the game
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>>37971799
but then rock and fire and sneaky pebbles
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>>37971793
how do we fix
>bug
>rock
>ice
>grass
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>>37971793
That emoji is creepy and it is making me ichi.
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>>37971793
Yet it still sucks.
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Fairy really shouldn't resist it.
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>>37972048
The tears in the emoji are in the wrong place and it's angering my autsim
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>>37971865
>bug and ice resist fairy
>grass is super effective against fairy
>rock is fine
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>>37971793
> But muh genesect
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>>37972858
Why is genesect ubers again?
Actually, an even better question is why is mega metagross and regular blaziken ubers?
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>>37972989
you dont play much do you
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>>37971793
Bugs are weak creatures of course a lot of things are resistant to them.
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>>37971793
>bug type is basically 4x weak to fire
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>>37971793
Isn’t the point of bug types is that they’re not that strong but you can evolve them quickly
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>>37973081
*laughs in slow rate*
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>>37973081
This is already taken care of by the shit stats.
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>bug/flying
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>>37972989
Too broken for OU.But the problem is that they suck in Ubers.
What we really need is OUBL and for BLs to be their own formats.
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>>37973092
Unova was a mistake
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>>37973116
>but can’t learn fly
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>>37973129
>thread about bugs being shit
>"the region that finally stopped treating bugs as a joke type was a mistake"
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>>37973138
But enough about sinnoh
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>>37972858
>But muh Genesect...
>Pheromosa, Volcarona, M-Scizor, M-Beedrill, M-Heracross, M-Pinsir
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Not so fast, biiiiiitch
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>>37973154
>region full of shitmon bugs
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>>37972989
>Why is genesect ubers again?
It's a legendary, duh.
>Actually, an even better question is why is mega metagross and regular blaziken ubers?
Smogon likes to shit on badass mons, particularly starters, by either spitefully placing them in NU or more recently randomly banning them to Ubers. To Smogon, OU has to be full of legendaries and ugly objectmons.
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It's not that bad defensively, but offensively it's a joke. Maybe because of U-Turn, but i'm no competitive expert.
>>37973019
We're not talking about real life, but about a fantasy setting, in which there are plenty of super powered bugs.
>>37972699
Rock is almost as bad as Ice. Everyone likes them as coverage, almost no one likes having them as their typing.
In Rock's case it feels even worse knowing that it was supposed to be a tanky type.
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>>37973319
Shit bait
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>>37973329
Super bugs are still going to pale in comparison to other supercharged creatures.
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>>37973262
>he doesn’t rate draping, vespiqueen and wormadam
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>>37973340
>l-legendaries being overpowered and centralizing in ou doesn't mean they should be ubers, it's all the other pokemon that are too shit for ou!
Tell us where on the doll Decidueye, Ambipom and Electivire touched you. Oh wait, it was Landorus, and you liked it.
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Faity shouldn't resist bug. It doesn't even nake sense
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>>37973404
Vespiquen looks and sounds cool but does nothing special.
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>>37973409
Anon your bait is not working. Have a pity (You) and do better next time
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Type chart fixes:
Bug: Resists ghost now, not resisted by fairy
Fairy: Dragon is only 1/2x and not immune
Ice: Resists flying, resists dragon,gets defense buff in hail
Dragon: Doesn't resists grass anymore
Rock: Resists ice now, stealth rock makes neutral damage to everyone
Psychic: Resists fairy, can't get confuse
Water: Weak to poison

R8 my changes
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>>37973262
>created Yanmega
>turned Scizor into burrito man
>created Bug Buzz, X-Scissor, and U-turn
Gen 4 was the turning point for bugs and you know it. Gen 5 built upon that foundation and Gen 7 ensured bugs would never be a joke again.
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gosh I wish Tinted Lens was on something good
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>nothing resists sheer cold
fucking OP, ice type needs a nerf urgently
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>>37973041
volcarona says hi and proceeds to rape your family
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If Sound type ever existed bugs should resist it.
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>>37971865
>bug
Hits super effective on fairy, resists fairy. No longer hits SE on grass, but still resists it.
>grass
Well, now it has one less weakness, so now I think we're ok. Grass remains a valuable offense type.
>ice
Holy god, this is rough as it is. Give it a resistance to fairy and ground, and we have a start. Maybe add another if it is still weak after that.
>rock
Add resistances to itself, bug, ice, electric, maybe something dumb like ghost. Nerf pebbles to half damage and they only factor supereffectiveness 1x.
Thoughts?
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>>37973476
You kinda over-nerfed dragon with all those debuffs, but checked fairy really well. 8/10
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How to fix poison?
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>>37974208
Make it SE against Water
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>>37973955
Dragon deserved to be nerfed, that's why fairy was introduced in the first place
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>>37973092
my sides, are nowhere to find
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>>37971865
It would be very hard to fix Bug and Grass realistically, but just give Ice a resistance to Poison, Ground, and Electric
I can’t think of another resist for Bug or Grass that thematically makes sense.
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>>37973483
I wonder how Gen 6 happened
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>>37971865
>Bug
Fairy and Poison no longer resist it.
>Grass
Grass is immune to Fairy, Grass mons are generally shit, but Grass has some great attributes, like immunity to leech seed, Water AND Ground resistance, as well as spore immunities. Grass's weakness to Poison is kind of negligible.
I think what hurts Grass types most is that they generally get few moves outside of Grass or Normal and maybe their secondary type if they have one. But when paired with say Water or Poison, Grass is actually pretty good because of its defensive qualities.
>Ice
Ice is now immune to Water, that is all.
>Rock
Rock is pretty good offensively, and Hidden Stalagmites shows that it can shut down way too many Pokemon if it was allowed to.
The main problen is that too many Rock types do the exact same things and Rock type moves generally suck to all hell (specifically in the accuracy department).
Just give Rock and its Pokemon some more 95 and 100 accuracy STAB moves to abuse. And maybe spread around Accelerock because we all know that shitty dog isn't using it properly.
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>>37974221
this
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>>37973849
>Nerf pebbles to half damage and they only factor supereffectiveness 1x.
And thus begun a new golden age of meta.
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>>37974756
>make sneaky stones but for ice
>only available to ice types
>buff ice and nerf genies, garchomp, gliscor, dragonite and a buch of other stupid mons
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>>37973444
>Make a Pokemon a huge pain in the ass to catch and also give her THREE signature moves.
>She's shit.
She desperately needs a Mega, additional evolution, SOMETHING.
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>>37973849
u super retardo

im so glad GF doesn't take inspiration from this shithole board.
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>>37973223
*gets your hp below 50%*
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>>37971865
>Bug
No longer resisted by Fairy and Ghost

>Rock
Just give them one decent move that connects 100% of the time and stop making most of them monotyped defensive mons

>Ice
Now resists Water and defenses get a boost during Hail

>Grass
Now resists Fairy
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>>37972989
>Why is genesect ubers again?
Genesect is fast and powerful, and has an amazing ability and a gargantuan learnset of useful moves, making it somewhat unpredictable.
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why'd they have to make fairy resistant to bug?
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>Steel resists 10 types
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>>37971865
Other than a possible change with the Ice-Water matchup, Ice is a great offensive type. The real problem is they keep making slow defensive Ice-types instead of the glass cannons the type is designed for and giving Ice coverage to Water-types that shouldn't have it, like a fucking tropical seal or a fishdog
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>>37973092
I will never not be mad at this. Goddammit what the fuck were they thinking
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>>37973404
who the fuck is draping? do you mean drapion? because drapion isn't even a bug type
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>>37973130
I don’t think any of them can
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>>37973476
Awful on a lot of levels
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>>37973491
Volcarona?
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>>37974223
Fairy types being immune and SE did everything that needed to be done. Don’t be a dumbass
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>>37971865
>bug
Resists fairy, no longer resisted by fairy
>rock
Resists electric and dark
>ice
Resists normal, ground, and flying. Hail boosts defense
>grass
Resists fairy and ghost
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>>37971799

But every ground/fighting pokemon has fucking stone edge. Who fucking cares if it resists ground and fighting. And it's also not gen 5 anymore, fighting ain't that great.
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>>37973849
>Add resistances to itself
oh yeah the gen 1 rock types were all ground too
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>>37978997
Volcarona and Genesect
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>>37979095
good job naming 2 pokemon that aren't bug/flying
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>>37971793
ITT: The literal worst attempts at fixing the meta I’ve ever seen
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>>37971865
>bug
Hits Fairy for neutral damage
>rock
nothing, stop making slow chucklefuck rocks with bad accuracy moves
>ice
Resists ground and flying, resists water during hail, stop making slow chucklefuck defensive ice types
>grass
Steel no longer resists, super effective on fairy
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>>37979116
I thought you were talking about bugs in general
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>>37971865

Bug is now neutral against ghost, fairy, and fighting. None of those seem to logically have an interaction with bug anyways. Rock now resists bug though.

ice now resists fairy.

Honestly grass isn't that bad. It's bad from a pure SE to weakness ratio, but it's kind of a support type and has good support moves. Just keep making good support moves, like sleep powder, leech seed, giga drain, etc.
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>>37971793
GF went full retard by making Fairy resist Bug in gen 6
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>>37972858

GAMEFREAK NERFED BUG EVEN MORE ALL BECAUSE OF THAT FUCKING UTURN MOVE

Bug types don't even benefit from Uturn that much. Besides like 4 exceptions (scizor, genesect, beedrill, pheromosa) most bugs with uturn are special attackers or pure shitmons. Most uturners are non bugs.

Why doesn't escavalier, shedinja, forretress, shuckle get uturn, they would make fantastic defensive pivots.

Why doesn't leavanny, crustle, durant, armaldo get uturn? These are physical attackers that are stuck with fucking x scissor as their best bug stab.

Why doesn't scolipede, heracross, pinsir get uturn? They would make nice powerful momentum gaining pivots.
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>>37978959
>stats for first form are physical based
>evolves into special based
Game Freak was laughing all the way
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>>37973081

Maybe for like 7 bugs. Even Ledyba doesn't evolve until level 18, keep in mind starters evolve at 16. Burmy doesn't evolve until 20, combee is 21, parasect is 24, Spinarak doesn't evolve until 22, masquerain is 22, venonat is 31, and none of these people would argue would break early game or "are powerful early game so totally worth it!".
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>>37973565

They could easily make bug resist psychic. Bugs have different minds than other creatures.
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>>37974872

Even if all you did was TAKE AWAY FLYING it would be vastly improved. It's so bad, taking shit away would help tons.
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>>37973223
why is Emergency Exit a thing? is this the only thing holding Golispod back?
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The ONE AND ONLY thing I would change about the current type matchup if I could would be to get rid of Fairy's resistance to Bug. Seriously, what reason is there for Fairy to resist Bug?
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>>37979780
Yes. Anyone who tells you otherwise whether they’re talking about speed or SR weakness is a retard
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>>37979074
>fighting ain't that great.
It's still super-effective against Steel.
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>>37979791
Someone tried to bring up the thematic excuse and only brought up nature
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>>37979780
100% yes. He's bulky and hits like a truck.
If Emergency Exit activated at the end of the turn instead of immediately he would probably be UU at worst.
He needs to learn U-Turn, too.
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>>37973527
Oh look, a rock!
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>>37979780
It's a joke that they didn't translate properly. His first form has Wimp Out, and then he evolves into a super powerful form... but has an ability that does the exact same thing but with a less "wimpy" name. He's not wimping out, he's making a tactical withdrawal.
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>>37979822
>>37979791
It's because of U-Turn.
That's it.
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>>37979846
...damn that actually sounds like it could be true
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>>37979846
U-Turn’s main purpose was to preserve momentum for you by switching out. I don’t know what the fuck GF was trying to accomplish by making another type resist it
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>>37979845
Tactical Withdrawal would've been a better ability name but the joke is still obvious.
But that's no excuse for being a trash ability that makes him difficult to use even in single player.
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>>37979885
Yes, it makes no sense to nerf U-Turn this way.
But it makes less sense to nerf Bug for any reason besides U-Turn.
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>>37979845
English
>Wimp Out
>Emergency Exit
Japanese
>Back Off
>Crisis Prevention

???
two abilities that do the same thing but one with a euphemism
this is a terrible joke and holds back an otherwise great pokemon
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>>37980025
Better translation for the Japanese names are "Run Away" and "Crisis Avoidance."
But yes, the ability needs to be buffed.
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>>37971793
Every time I see Bugfags SEETHING about Fairy I cringe. Get over it. If is the real loser anyway.
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>>37980072
Ice*
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>>37979780
>ruined for a fucking joke

Two nukes weren't enough.
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>>37980072
>>37980088
If you think Ice is worse than Bug then you're a brainlet. Ice is one of the best offensive types in the game, while Bug is bad on both offense and defense.
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>>37979896
>implying GF nerfed U-Turn by having Fairy resist it instead of Bug being another unfortunate casualty of sperging
>implying GF doesn't love the fuck out of BP which they subtly promote but most players hate
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>>37980092
>>37980045
Idea:
change it from
>The Pokémon, sensing danger, switches out when its HP becomes half or less.
To
>When Pokemon's HP becomes half or less, it leaves combat for one turn.
It essentially works like Fly. It leaves combat for one turn. The next turn, the new move you choose is the one it re-enters combat with. If the opposing Pokemon is faster, then it simply flat-out misses Golispod.
This might make it OP, but I don't care. Bug needs better Pokemon.
Alternatively, though, you could make it re-entering combat as another wasted turn. So the opponent misses twice, but that doesn't seem to fun.
Thoughts?
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>>37972989
Solgaleo is actually worse than Mega Metagross
The only argument that Mega Metagross is less broken is the opportunity cost of a single Mega on your team, which doesn't even apply to teams that don't use Mega Evolution.
Anything that can handle both Fairy types and Steel types is too broken for OU. It is stable only because of an oversaturation of Steel, Fairy, and Landorus-T. Without those elements, it would be meme chaos.
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>>37980444
trips is a good idea
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>>37980444
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>>37980391
>Bug is bad defensively
Let’s stop this meme ok?
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>>37973010
>you don’t play smogon
Why the fuck would I ever do that?
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>>37976400
>Now resists Water and defenses get a boost during Hail
WHAT KILLED THE DRAGONS?
THE ICE AGE!
>Blizzards fire off
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What if activating Emergency Exit triggers an Attack x1.5 and Speed x1.5 buff once he's back on the field?
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>>37973849
>bug type
>from being resisted to effective on a type
yeah no bye
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>>37971793
it's an early game type
known for having very fast growing exp and evolutions

by evolving it usually adds a dual type and further coverage to compense the lacks and weaknesses, it's intentional, in fact there are very few pure bug types and even those usually have either a gimmick or high stats somewhere to compense the shit type
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>>37980649

I would agree with you if fighting and ground types didn't all have access to stone edge/stealth rocks. It practically makes the resistances useless.
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>>37981156

Pure bug honestly isn't that bad. I'd rather have a pure bug than some of the types that seriously drag bug down like bug/flying bug/grass
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>>37971865
>bug
fairy no longer resists it
>rock
resistance to itself and electric
>ice
resists water. 50% defense boost in Hail
>grass
immune to fairy
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>>37971865
Have Bug lose it's weakness to Flying.
Have Rock be immune to Poison.
Have Ice resist Water, Electric and Poison.
Have Grass resist Fairy and lose it's weakness to Poison.
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>>37981392
>like bug/flying
Poor Yanmega; it had great potential, and has a stellar design, but had the misfortune of being introduced the very same game that as Stealth Rock.
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can Ice resist Flying, everything else that hits it SE resists it too.
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Hopefuly Gen 8 introduces a new type that resists Bug for no reason so U-Turn is nerfed.
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>>37980025
They should have made emergancy exit activate at 1/4 HP. It fits with the evolutionary line's theme of being less of a coward.



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