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Sugimori hasn't heard of shin megami tensei, I see.

Do you think this would have been a good idea, and how should it be implemented?
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this is correct. the trainer fighting doesn't fit the series.

>b-but SMT!
SMT is a worse series.
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>>37551978
Maybe as a one and done thing for a boss can't really see it for the whole game
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Considering your character is usually around 10, I don't think it'd be a good idea.
There also would be an even worse stink from PETA for promoting direct violence towards animals
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37551992
>SMT
>Worse than nu-pokemon
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>>37551996
>Considering your character is usually around 10,
15 year olds catfighting minigame.
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>>37552004
>Actually using "nu-" to describe anything
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>>37552003
>>37552004
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>>37552003
I mean, he's objectively right.
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>>37551978
>Sugimori hasn't heard of shin megami tensei, I see.
I'm sure he has but he realized it's a shitty idea regardless of whether or not another series did it
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>>37552019
Have you played it? It's better than USUM.
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Someone had to have known, it is far older than Pokemon. I am disturbed by the matter no one called them out on that. I think the real reason was either to kiddify it or it was purposefully done to differentiate it, or both. Otherwise, do they understand the concept of an army at all? The concept of being stronger in numbers? How can a social creature not understand this concept?
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>>37552040
Do you have autism?
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>>37552044
These are valid questions.
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>>37552050
So was mine.
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>>37552065
The question is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with what I'm asking.
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Makes sense, since humans are Pokemon in lore. A trainer human (martial artists, psychics, aura users) should easily be able to put up a good fight against Pokemon.
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>>37552085
are you a virgin?
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>>37552091
Still irrelevant.
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>>37552094
don't care virgin
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
This is the kinda shit you'll believe if literally all you play is Pokemon
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I’d like something to make the trainers more useful. Not necessarily fighting though.
Gen 6 and 7 were doing something right in that regard.

Have some kind of trainer HP bar that lets the trainer take a hit for their Pokémon like Ash-Greninja in the anime. Give them more things like Z-moves to support their Pokémon in battle.
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>>37552090
Well, we don't really "know", not even in the context of the world since that information is being presented as a myth, and despite what people say, myths don't automatically become true in the pokeworld. Some can be verified, but not all of them can. This is one of them. There is nothing to verify if humans in the pokeworld derived from pokemon.
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>>37552096
Ad hominem.
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>>37552037
Yes and it's a fantastic game, but I was trying to rile up the SMTfags since they tend to hate it.
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>>37552150
the people that bitched about TMS are the same people that bitched about Asahi
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Yokai Watch 4 will have "Trainer" involvement in battle. Surprised nobody's mentioned it yet.
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>>37552182
People expected way more of a FE x SMT crossover than the idol shit it ended up being...
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>>37552150
You mean Personafaga right?
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37552040
Well, let's just say that gf's design philosophy is questionable.
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37551992
>the trainer fighting doesn't fit the series.
Despite all the preaching about loving your pokemon and the bonds you form with them you do fuck all on your side of the relationship. You just poach them from their environments and force them fight other creatures for your own fame and monetary gain. At the very least the demons in SMT join you consensually. You don't even have to use demons in some cases
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series
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>>37552191
They also call them "Watchers" when in battle which is funny.
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>>37551978
no
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37552150
But I'm an SMTfag and I like it.
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>>37551992
> SMT is a worse series.

Is it too hard for you It's okay Anon, you can admit it.
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>>37552020
Objectively saleswise, but again, that applies to literally every other franchise on the planet, that doesn't stop it from being better in quality though, it just means people are still dumb enough to buy Fisher Price JRPG.
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>>37551992
In Digimon, humans fought as well and had Digimon with them and it was great.

stop sucking pokemon retarded dick like a faggot and face reality, Pokemon is close-minded shit because Gamefreak are all lazy af and don't like to make an effort.
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>>37551978
I have this idea for a pokemon game
basically the plot is that ancient people built giant mechanical pokemon to live on, but now they are going wild and wrecking habitats
you have to fight your way through the ecosystems living on their back and figure out a way to stop the destruction

they were being turned on by the villains/team rocket clone
for reasons

One is a lapras in the ocean
One is a torterra
One is a sky pokemon, like a gyarados or something
There are a couple other ones, but it's effectively rise of the colossus meets pokemon
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>>37552481
> Gamefreak are all lazy af and don't like to make an effort

This is untrue, GameFreak can but won't. there is no need for it, when your games sell millions on title alone, effort becomes an unnecessary thing.
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>>37552481
I only seem to remember one person trying to attack a digimon with a stick, to no avail, until Savers, and even then, the guy punches a digi to charge up power for his own digi.
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>>37552506
There are Digimon that can turn into weapons, I recall someone using a Starmon Sword to defeat another Digimon, and then you have Arata in Cyber Sleuth who turns part of his body into a misshapen horror in order to kill and eat Digimon and Humans.
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>>37552505
Gamefreak only how to remove features after they introduce them.

The overhaul gameplay is still the same repetitive crap we have been doing for 20 years

>pick a starter
>do few gyms
>story involving evil bad guys happen
>everyone in the whole region stays silent and depends on a 10 years kid to save the day
>ok done
>do last gyms
>elite four and champion

wow, would you look at how the series changed and innovated through the years?

Gamefreak just want to sell the same game with different skin everytime because they are incapable of making anything new other than stealing ideas from Digimon (mega evolution) and Yo-Kai watch (everything new in Sun and Moon)
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>>37552019
Still better then any nu pokemon game
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>>37552481
>In Digimon, humans fought as well and had Digimon with them and it was great.
Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator. Within the context of Pokemon having the humans fight makes no sense.
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>>37552575
Not an achievement.
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>>37552587
>It's a virtual pet simulator
So Amie/Refresh and LGPE
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>>37551996
Nobody takes PETA seriously. Monster Hunter does the same and I don't see it censored.
A game where you can fight alongside with your Pokemon and you can level up, change classes (fighter/psychic/ninja/swimmer/hiker/etc) and support your Pokemon with elemental attacks of that class would reinforce the idea "humans alongside Pokemon" they tried to convey so much.
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>>37552020
If you're talking objectively then Pokemon in every way except sales is terrible.
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>>37552605
Which goes alongside the monster collecting aspect.
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>>37552587
> Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator.
They're both. when you look at the V-Pets but when you actually look at the games, they are Monster Collecting Games.
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>>37551978
SMT but this is correct
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>>37552506
>Stick
That reminds me of something.

>Inb4 muh ashnime is not canon

I know but to be honest that sounds like a good idea, and if you hate the anime that much there's always PokeSpe to take as an example.
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>>37552703
I meant that the human was the one using the stick.
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>>37552605
>>37552648
Amie and Refresh feel shallow because they don't actually let you raise your pokemon. You get some feelgood mechanics and small buffs in battle but your mons don't actually grow or change because you feed them beans regularly. They half-assed Refresh/Amie in the same way that they half-assed Contests.
Ideally, Refresh/Amie would be able to supplant or replace battling as a training method and Contests would actually contribute to the story instead of just slapping a sticker onto your mons' status screens.
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>>37552710
Ash is the one using the stick in the gif anon, though I know nothing about Digimon so maybe I got your example wrong.
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>>37552703
W-whoa...
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>>37552653
>They're both
no, they're not. The focus is on having one or very few partners. You don't go around collecting multiple digimon like you do in pokemon.

Adding humans into the mix is completely stupid and makes no sense with the point of the series.
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>>37552712
Candies sort of did that, but the method of getting candies is annoying. If not that, then SM also had a pelago isle that was just for raising stats, albeit far less efficient than using a power item and chaining pokemon yourself.
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>>37552631
>A game where you can fight alongside with your Pokemon and you can level up, change classes (fighter/psychic/ninja/swimmer/hiker/etc) and support your Pokemon with elemental attacks
That'd actually be really neat and consistent with the lore. You could have an attack exclusive to your class like:

-rock throw
-karate chop
-surf
-body slam
-aerial ace
-shadow ball
-psychic
-aura sphere

These are all things trainers should be capable of.
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>>37552750
>You don't go around collecting multiple digimon like you in pokemon
There are digimon games where you do that.
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>>37552750
>no, they're not. The focus is on having one or very few partners. You don't go around collecting multiple digimon like you do in pokemon.

Anon, that describes the Digimon game from last year entirely. where you collect Digimon (3 VS 3 battles, with a Team of 11 in total) and team managing, with the Typing system LITERALLY made so you can't just solo the game with one Digimon and have to make a team for different situations.
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>>37552761
Neither of those mechanics are very engaging, though. Raising pokemon, especially if you like to raise a lot of them, is a chore. The difficulty in monster raising should be in battling and partly in catching, not in raising.
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>>37551978
Anon it's not even exclusive to SMT. Have you heard of Jade Coccoon, the series that actually made the protagonist more than just an extra unit?
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>>37552781
>>37552768
>Anon, that describes the Digimon game from last year entirely
And not the entire rest of the series that has the human fighting nonsense the anon was describing.
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>>37552481
Except for very few instances, humans never fought with their pets in Digimon.
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>>37552783
Do you want there to be a competitive element at all?
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>>37552792
I was describing digimon world 2 for ps1.
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>>37552378
>you do fuck all on your side of the relationship
except catching them?
and training them?
and teaching them new attacks?
and overall making their quality of life far better than if they were just in the wild?

>>37552003
>>37552004
>>37552098
>>37552217
>>37552336
>>37552383
>>37552469
hi contrarians
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>>37552792
> And not the entire rest of the series that has the human fighting nonsense the anon was describing.

No, no. You said "Digimon is a V-Pet! Not a Monster Collector!" and turns out, you were wrong! Because you couldn't be bothered to fucking google Digimon Games.

> The rest of the series doesn't have humans fighting Digimon

Because it's not FOCUSED on it, but it still exists in it, There are Humans that used Digimon Weapons, Marcus, the main character, regularly fought Digimon though that isn't an efficient way of fighting, hence his partner, Unlike Pokemon, Humans fighting in Digimon works, it's why it works in SMT too, They're flesh eating demons, they're not going to politely wait for you.
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>>37552821
hi *gives free Max Revives*
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>>37552805
Yes. What I'd like to see isn't an easy game, but a game with multiple ways to play. Want to raise your mons by battling other mons? Go ahead. Want to raise your mons via Refresh? Go ahead.
It's a methodology that the games have been creeping towards for a while now but have never embraced in a significant way. They try, but it always feels shallow. Vitamins help raise your stats faster but they're expensive compared to everything sans TMs and they don't actually negate the need to battle wild mons for exp. Super Training is much the same but thre's little variety and the gameplay is slow and unengaging. Bottle Caps pretend to raise IVs because apparently they can't be bothered to fix their legality checks. Things that were mentioned before, like Join Avenue and Poke Pelago, aren't interactive at all - just spend some points to level up x amount of times at once. Even just lumping Super Training into Refresh would be a step forward.
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37552787
This and also Dragon Quest V.
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>>37552822
>No, no. You said "Digimon is a V-Pet! Not a Monster Collector!" and turns out, you were wrong!
No, I'm not. Read the post I was reponding to dumbass.

>but it still exists in it
In the series that don't involve monster collecting. It doesn't work for Pokemon at all.
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>>37551992
Easily detectable bait.
Include me in the screencap
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>>37552854
hi *mentions series that isn't even close to as successful as pokemon*
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>>37551978
Sounds stupid as hell.
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37553005
>when Pokemon has gotten so shit all you can latch on to are the sales
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How many of you blowhards defending SMT have only played the Persona games?
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>>37551992
Even IV and APO are better than most pokemon games
They are SMT's 3ds games meaning they are SMT's Gen 6&7
Meanwhile SJ is their BW2
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>>37553204
>implying that the rest of the megaten franchise doesn't also run circles around pokemon
it's okay to admit that you're too casual to play them, anon.
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>>37552917
In any case those two games run circles around SMT in terms of actually making the protagonist fight with his mons.
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>>37552996
> No, I'm not.
"Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator. You don't go around collecting multiple digimon like you do in pokemon."

It's okay to admit you were wrong
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>>37553204
My list is...
Persona 1, 3, 4, 5 (FES & Golden too)
Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers
Devil Survivor 1 & 2 (OG and Remakes)
Strange Journey (OG and Redux)
SMT IV & SMT IV Apocalypse
Demikids Light
Jack Bros
Digital Devil Saga 1
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>>37553296
>Skipping P2
>Skipping Nocturne
>No DDS 2
Why bruh?
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The gamefreak developers are Japanese nerds from the 80s/90s and some Pokemon mechanics came though them playing on the Gameboy. There's like 0 chance they hadn't heard of it.
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>>37551978
But Ash fights Pokémon all the time. Wasn’t there an episode where he was literally beating on his Hawlucha to train it?
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>>37553279
>Read the post I was reponding to dumbass.
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>>37553182
>when SMT is so shit all you can latch on to is "it's better because it's better"
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>>37553325
SMT
>no handholding
>difficulty modes
>doesn't treat the player like an idiot
>story isn't intrusive
>text skip
>replayability due to modes, routes, builds and shit you can carry over
>gameplay vastly improves with each game
>games are competently made on a technical level
>a single SMT game offers more exploration and challenge than Pokemon has offered in six years
Pokemon
>handholding nonstop
>can't walk two minutes without an interruption
>never ending genwun wank
>regions getting smaller and smaller each gen
>replayability getting smaller each gen
>difficulty modes in literally one game
>constantly cutting features
>GF still can't optimize for shit
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>>37553448
>no reply because you're right
Not you but it makes me smile every time
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>>37553319
Not that anon, but I read the post you were responding to and it's not making you look like any less of a dumbass who was wrong.
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>>37551992
Nigga, I'd love to play the Pokémon equivalent of Strange Journey. That shit would be tits.
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>>37552191
That's because the game runs at 14 frames per second.
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>>37553325
> when Pokemon is so shit you only cling onto a brain dead franchise because you can use its popularity as a means of pretending to have some worth by pretending to be a fan of it

Nah Pokemon isnt shit *gives you 10 max revives* its everyone else that's a problem *heals your pokemon*
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>>37554146
To be fair so does the 3DS model era for Pokemon.
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>>37554309
ULTRA NECROZMA IS SO HARD *uses toxic* IT'S NOT FAIR *wins*
meanwhile, in real jrpgs...
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>>37552102
Mega Evolution and Z-Moves are cancer. Both are just gimmicks to sell games, and the former is slapping a bandage on the gaping wound that could only really be fixed by doing a bunch of rebalancing.
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>>37554328
Oi, is that nine consecutive turns for the opponent right there?
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>>37554353
yes. that's a postgame boss fight against duftmon, and his speed is so broken that he rattles off long strings of turns like that regularly. on top of that, he casts speed debuffs on your whole party and also starts spamming healing moves on himself once he gets down to a certain amount of hp. it's nearly impossible unless you have the right team.
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>>37554393
Is there a Vita emulator out there? I don't feel like getting a new device for just one game.
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>>37554413
No, and sometime in the past month they just got listed as "Soon to be discontinued" on the Japanese page.
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>>37554413
nope, still no vita emulator. if you own a ps4, you can play it on there, though. only thing is that you have to buy a physical copy because bamco arbitrarily delisted it from psn.
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>>37552007
>American characters are the biggest sluts
poetry
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>>37554061
>Not that anon, but I read the post you were responding to
>In Digimon, humans fought as well and had Digimon with them
Show me where in this context that the human collects multiple Digimon dumbass. Try using context and reading the thread instead of being an illiterate retard.
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>>37552762
A resourceful trainer with some items or catalyzers may also use electric, fire, ice and poison type movements.
What I can't figure out is what are grass, dragon and fairy type movements.
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>>37551978
>Sugimori hasn't heard of shin megami tensei, I see.
I'm assuming at least someone at GF had to have since the whole "rock-paper-scissors" battle style seems to be heavily SMT inspired.
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I like that the trainers don't fight, I don't see why the series needs to be more violent, there is plenty of that in video games
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>>37552003
He's objectively correct. SMT is trash.
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I tried playing and SMT 4 and didn't enjoy the gameplay, I want to give the series another shot but it just seems poorly designed for a game that wants you to tame creatures
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>>37554498
>the whole "rock-paper-scissors" battle style seems to be heavily SMT inspired.
You know Press Turn is younger than RS, right?
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>>37554524
What didn't you like about IV?
It has a really wonky difficulty curve so if you just thought it was too hard, that levels off after you beat Medusa.
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>>37553448
Pokemon
>well made designs that are appealing and recognizable to everyone
>difficulty modes
>doesn't treat the player like an idiot
>story isn't intrusive
>replayability due to multiplayer with 800+ monsters you can carry over
>gameplay vastly improves with each game
>games are competently made on a technical level
>a single Pokemon game offers more creativity than SMT has offered in six years

SMT
>uninspired uninteresting designs
>shitty, bland maps
>unmemorable characters
>less exploration
>no multiplayer
>no replayability
>barely any associated media to enjoy because barely anyone gives a shit about the franchise
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>>37554541
>>uninspired uninteresting designs
I know this is bait but you really couldn't be more wrong.
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>>37554541
>Game with multiple endings
>no replayability
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>>37554309
>when SMT is so shit the only thing you can do is mention SMT over and over again to pretend it's relevant

Nah SMT isnt shit *puts another bland brown map in the game* its everyone else that's a problem *puts an uninspired monster design into the game*
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>>37554550
Huh, sure is weird how Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are recognizable household names while every single SMT demon is a generic literal who.

>b-buh muh jack frost ;_;

>>37554555
>get all the endings
>never play it again

wow such replayability
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>>37554565
now you're not even trying
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>>37551978
>SMT did it so it MUST be good and we HAVE to put it in our game!

I'm glad you're not a game designer.
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>>37554537
I didn't get very far in, but I don't remember having a very good grasp of the mechanics before I started being punished for interacting with demons in combat
Felt like I messed up before I even got out of the tutorial, certainly didn't encourage me to come back
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>>37554572
>I started being punished for interacting with demons in combat
ah, that's one of the shittier aspects of the game (and series as a whole desu)
Conversations aren't entirely random, but are random enough that you can get fucked even if you pick the "right" answer.
It's something you get used to pretty quickly, though.
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>>37554565
>wow such replayability
That's literally the definition of replayability.

>XY/SM
>Beat game
>No post game
>Nothing left to work towards
>Nothing new to find in a second playthrough
Wow such replayability.
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>>37554581
yeah, I remember really liking the characters and what was going on in the game, it's very stylish
I will probably give SMT 5 a try when it comes out, or try replaying SMT 4 sometime, but I'm pretty nervous about not getting any traction before I start being penalized for experimenting
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>>37554591
>That's literally the definition of replayability.
Nope. Because after you finish the story there's nothing else worth doing. With Pokemon you can endlessly play online and create different builds for every Pokemon to use against other people. Sorry your series is shit SMTfag.
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>>37554593
Like I said, the difficulty curve levels off pretty nicely after you beat Medusa, who is the second major boss iirc.
The first few hours are pretty brutal but after that it's pretty smooth as long as you don't fuck up.

You might also want to try Devil Survivor Overclocked or Digital Devil Saga, which don't have negotiation, and of course there's Persona 5 if you want something a bit easier to learn (but also MUCH heavier on story and dialogue).
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>>37554602
yeah, I think I would appreciate persona 5 but I'm not so interested in buying a ps4
hoping it gets a switch port with the rerelease, though

I'm sure I'll eventually crack into smt 4, though, I like to revisit my old games
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>>37554614
>hoping it gets a switch port with the rerelease, though
Nothing official, but Smash leakers who seem to have been correct about other stuff said P5R will be on Switch. It certainly makes sense with Joker being in Smash.
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>>37554599
>With Pokemon you can endlessly play online and create different builds for every Pokemon to use against other people.
Oh man, I can't wait to fight against Smogon/VGC Team Copypaste #46534523, Literal Child's 1st Hour Team #346235321 and The Guy Who Has No Idea How Competitive Works #4364642!
Truly, the finest postgame experience, and it's one that'll last until everyone fucks off to the next game or the online servers shut down, permanently leaving the game without ANY postgame material whatsoever.
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>>37554541
>Pokemon doesn't treat the player like an idiot
Nice bait
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>>37554634
>The Guy Who Has No Idea How Competitive Works #4364642!
what kind of team does he use?
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>>37554599
>With Pokemon you can endlessly play online and create different builds for every Pokemon to use against other people.
>In a game where only about 20 of 800 something pokemon are viable.
>And endless being until wifi servers shut down (again.)

If I'm playing competitive pokemon, it's going to be the card game. At least there you don't see people bring the same five or six copy paste decks.
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>>37554655
>And endless being until wifi servers shut down (again.)
>he doesn't know that wifi is back

Also Pokemon is a shit TCG, play Dragon Ball Super or Fire Emblem instead
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>>37551978
Eh, I don't see why It can't be some sort of spinoff title. But for a Mainline, I don't think it'll work.
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>>37554482
That's not what the anon who responded to you was responding to. They were responding to:

> Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator.

That was a claim made by you. That was what they were trying to prove wrong. It doesn't matter what you were responding to, especially when the anon who responded to you was focusing to the claim you made, not on the claim the anon you were responding to made. I don't even know how you think anyone is going to look at this and think that because you responded to someone talking about a slightly different subject while making a false claim, the subject doesn't then change to be about the false claim rather than the post that invoked it.
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>>37554985
>It doesn't matter what you were responding to
Yes it does. Read the thread.

>especially when the anon who responded to you was focusing to the claim you made
And I'm focusing on the claim someone else made. If you're not going to bother following the context of the discussion don't respond.
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/smt/ board when?
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>>37555002
>>>/vg/
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>>37554993
>Yes it does. Read the thread.
I am reading the thread, and it just makes you look like a dumbass who doesn't want to admit you were wrong when you claimed:

> Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator.

Someone called you out on making this false statement of fact, and you decided to engage with that person. You decided to enter a discussion where someone was focusing on your false claim.

>>37554993
>And I'm focusing on the claim someone else made.
Yes, I can see that, and it is absolutely pathetic that instead of admitting to your own fucking mistakes you're trying to point fingers at others who just happened to be there.
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>>37555044
>Someone called you out on making this false statement of fact
Except it's not false. Read the post it's responding to.

>Yes, I can see that, and it is absolutely pathetic that instead of admitting to your own fucking mistakes
Why would I admit to a mistake when there is no mistake?

Why don't you admit your mistake of not reading the fucking thread because you wanted to pretend to be smart?
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>>37555044
Tell me more about how this is a monster collecting game anon.
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>>37551978
Ash tried to beat the shit out of plenty of people
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>>37551992

>SMT is a worse series

Wew son of Man
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>>37552019
That's a Fire Emblem game
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>>37555109
This was already explained by someone else. >>37552781 Honestly, it looks like they're just pointing out that in the franchise, there are humans who collect multiple Digimon, and this being introduced to the franchise then puts it on the entire franchise even though it is contained to these few games. I guess it would be akin to bringing up the Eevee Tamagachi toy coming out next year if someone says that Pokémon games don't focus on the raising aspect of having a Pokémon but doesn't limit the discussion to the main series games, allowing someone to bring up anything in the entire game portion of the franchise, and they would be right in that case. I don't even know anything about Digimon though, so I don't know how accurate that is or how well the game this anon is talking about connects to the other Digimon games in comparison to how this Tamagachi connects to the other Pokémon games. I'll guess it connects a lot better though.

>>37555104
>Except it's not false. Read the post it's responding to.

I did, and nothing about:

>In Digimon, humans fought as well and had Digimon with them and it was great.

-makes:

> Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator.

-true.
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>>37555181
>>I did, and nothing about:
Show me the monster collecting Digimon media where humans fought with their Digimon anon. I'll wait.
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>>37555192
>Show me the monster collecting Digimon media where humans fought with their Digimon anon. I'll wait.
The anon that called you out wasn't focusing on this. You know they weren't, and you're not impressing or fooling anyone.
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>>37551992
>>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37555203
>The anon that called you out wasn't focusing on this.
Yes, because he's not paying attention to the context of the thread. Just like what you're doing. You're not impressing or fooling anyone.
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>>37551992
This is how you know this borad is filled with underage and those that only play pokemon.
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>>37555232
More like how you know the board is filled with edgy contrarians who like to bring up their shitty less successful franchises every chance they get
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>Muh demons
SMT is peak autism. Shut the fuck up you spazzes
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>>37552020
>objectively right
>when it has Press Turn System
Press Turn is one of the greatest ideas it came up with and I wish more games used it.
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>>37555237
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but having a different opinion doesn't make an edgy contrarian (besides, I love both series so I don't know what you what from me). Next.
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>>37555219
>Yes, because he's not paying attention to the context of the thread.
The context doesn't fucking matter. If someone corrects someone who says that turkeys can't fly, it doesn't matter that the post that invoked the false statement was about cockfights. Engaging the person who calls this out then makes the discussion with "that person" about whether or not turkeys can fly, not how well they would perform in cockfights.

There is no reason this should still be about humans fighting with their Digimon when the thing you got called out on was claiming that there is no monster collecting in Digimon.
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>>37555263
>The context doesn't fucking matter.
Full retard. Yes it does.

>If someone corrects someone who says that turkeys can't fly
they're a dumbass if that someone was responding to someone else who was talking about a movie containing fictional turkeys that can't fly. See? Context matters.

>There is no reason this should still be about humans fighting with their Digimon
The discussion at hand matters more than you randomly coming in and pretending to be smart by pointing out irrelevant bullshit.
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>>37555240
>peak autism
>when Persona is popular
The only real difference is the setting/context and some changes in gameplay (Press Turn is replaced by One Turn). Personas are literally SMT demons represented in a different way.
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>>37555232
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but having a different opinion doesn't make you underage or someone who only plays pokemon. Next.
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>>37555280
one more or something similar*
fuck i cannot spell
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>>37551978
Imagine if you could bulk up with Poke Souls and perform a Muscle Docking with Machamp.
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>>37555278
>They're a dumbass if that someone was responding to someone else who was talking about a movie containing fictional turkeys that can't fly. See? Context matters.
You're fucking delusional. A movie of fictional turkeys? You do know that domestic turkeys actually can't fly, right? And this response isn't fooling me. This doesn't even address whether or not the discussion then becomes about whether turkeys can fly or if they are good at cockfights. If this person says that turkeys can't fly does engaging with that new person mean the discussion with that person is about whether they are good at cockfights, which the new person is not focusing on, or does it mean that they are now arguing about whether turkeys can fly?


>The discussion at hand matters more than you randomly coming in and pretending to be smart by pointing out irrelevant bullshit.
You don't need to be smart to point out the retard in the room.
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>>37555331
>You do know that domestic turkeys actually can't fly, right?
Wow, even with the example you're an autist who can't grasp the concept of context. Amazing.

>This doesn't even address whether or not the discussion then becomes about whether turkeys can fly
Because your example is a complete false equivalence. Cockfighting turkeys are unrelated to turkeys flying. Digimon not being about monster collecting is related to Digimon having humans fighting with their Digimon.

>You don't need to be smart to point out the retard in the room.
You do need to be smart to understand context.
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>>37555347
>Because your example is a complete false equivalence. Cockfighting turkeys are unrelated to turkeys flying. Digimon not being about monster collecting is related to Digimon having humans fighting with their Digimon.
You think they are unrelated because there is no discussion to go along with this and you're too unimaginative to think of one. If someone in a hypothetical discussion proposes that flying grants an advantage, that's all the relation you need. In comparison, there is barely anything connecting Digimon not being a monster collecting game and humans fighting with their Digimon other than them both being about Digimon.


>You do need to be smart to understand context.
Which you can't.
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>>37555372
>If someone in a hypothetical discussion proposes that flying grants an advantage, that's all the relation you need
And it would still be a false equivalence because it's not what's happening here. If the discussion was about fictional turkeys that couldn't fly then pointing out that "turkeys can't fly" would be correct regardless of whether or not there exist turkeys that can fly.

>In comparison, there is barely anything connecting Digimon not being a monster collecting game and humans fighting with their Digimon
It's obviously connected if the media in which humans fight with their Digimon aren't focused on monster collection, dumbass.

>Which you can't.
I understand context just fine. You can't.
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>>37553204
Apparently its only you anon
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>>37551978
Doesn't every movie and anime arc have Ash and other trainers do something other than just stand there
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Anon...
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>If the discussion was about fictional turkeys that couldn't fly then pointing out that "turkeys can't fly" would be correct regardless of whether or not there exist turkeys that can fly.
Exactly. That's why I picked this. Either of you anons could point to a part of the Digimon franchise and say that you were right on whether or nor humans collect Digimon there, so I made a situation where anyone could point to parts of a species, say different things about them, and be correct because those different parts are capable of different things. Overall, however, it is just incorrect to say that there is no monster collecting in the Digimon franchise, just like it would be incorrect to say that all turkeys can or can't fly.

>It's obviously connected if the media in which humans fight with their Digimon aren't focused on the monster collection, dumbass.
That means that there is even less connecting them if you're admitting that the two subjects don't even interact with each other. And is this you admitting that there are Digimon games that focus on monster collecting?

>I understand context just fine. You can't.
No, you can't. If you sincerely think that the discussion is still about whether humans fight with their Digimon, you just can't.
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>>37555443
>Either of you anons could point to a part of the Digimon franchise and say that you were right on whether or nor humans collect Digimon there
No because the post is responding to someone giving an example about humans fighting with digimon.

>Overall, however, it is just incorrect to say that the entire Digimon franchise does not contain monster collecting
That's not what was said. Read the thread. I can just easily say "it's just incorrect to say that the entire digimon franchise has humans fighting with their digimon"

>if you're admitting that the two subjects don't even interact with each other.
The point of the discussion is that digimon media that has humans fighting with their digimon aren't focused on monster collecting. They're focused on virtual pets. Read the thread.

>No, you can't.
Yes, I can. If you sincerely think that the discussion isn't still about whether humans fight with their Digimon, you just can't.
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>>37555454
Humans have superpowers in the Pokémon world.
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>>37555465
>That's not what was said. Read the thread. I can just easily say "it's just incorrect to say that the entire Digimon franchise has humans fighting with their Digimon"
I know. That's why I deleted that post and changed it for this one: >>37555458 . There's no option to edit here though.

>>37555465
>The point of the discussion is that Digimon media that has humans fighting with their Digimon aren't focused on monster collecting. They're focused on virtual pets.
The discussion we're in now that started when you were corrected is about whether or not Digimon contains monster collecting. I don't give a fuck about what happened before that point or what imaginary sections where most of it was about humans fighting with Digimon you've made up for yourself. As Digimon does contain monster collecting, you are wrong on your statement that was corrected.

>>37555465
>Yes, I can. If you sincerely think that the discussion isn't still about whether humans fight with their Digimon, you just can't.
That wasn't being discussed, however. Even when it was brought up, there was no question about whether or not it was a thing.
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>>37555524
>The discussion we're in now that started when you were corrected is about whether or not Digimon contains monster collecting
I wasn't corrected about anything because what I said wasn't incorrect.

>I don't give a fuck about what happened before that point
Then don't post.

>As Digimon does contain monster collecting
The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting.

>That wasn't being discussed
Yes it is. The discussion doesn't come to a halt just because you decide to come into the thread and bring up irrelevant points.
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>>37555547
>I wasn't corrected about anything because what I said wasn't incorrect.
And that itself was incorrect and retarded.

>Then don't post.
Bitch, I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

>The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting.
But if it does contain monster collecting, this statement is wrong, which makes you wrong:

>Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator.


>The discussion doesn't come to a halt just because you decide to come into the thread and bring up irrelevant points.
Maybe if you understood context, you would understand that the focus of the discussion has shifted, however.
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>>37551992
What a faggot
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he is right, i hope that shit never became a thing it would be cringe just like z moves
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Persona spin-off
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>>37554565
Yes YHWH, Satan, Izanami, Ishtar, Zeus, Thor, Lucifer, etc are all "literal who's"... Right.
Get better b8 m8.
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>>37551996
PETA aren't some government authority.
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I think it's worth a try in a spinoff title. It might be fun.
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>>37551996
EarthBound has you beating up animals with a baseball bat. It's not unheard of for a young child to fight in an RPG.
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>>37551992
I could see a fighting trainer be in character if the story made a big deal about the trainer being responsible for their Pokemon's safety. Yes, your monsters fight for you, but as their trainer it's your duty to protect them with your life.
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>>37552587
There's a bunch of different Digimon games in different genres, anon. Not all of them are virtual pet sims.
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>>37555547
> I wasn't corrected about anything because what I said wasn't incorrect.
Does Digimon contain Monster Collecting
, yes or no?

>The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting.
The Majority of Digimon games ARE Monster collecting games, it's an entire section of the franchise you're ignoring, this isnt maybe one or two games made on a bunch, this is literally an entire chunk of the series with its own mechanics and history you're throwing out because you cant admit you were wrong about something.

> But the hoomis fighting digimans
If some retard chimes in and adds something completely false, that has NOTHING to do with the original statement, humans fighting digimon has nothing to do with it Digimon has monster collecting, the two are completely separate things.
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>>37551992
Based AF. FPBP, every time.
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>>37556163
Let's see, Digimon World 2, 3, DS, Dawn/Dusk, Championship, Lost Story, Super Xross, Cyber Sleuth, Hacker's Memory and an upcoming Story title, did I miss any?
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>>37551978
He’s right. If the trainer could fight it would also take the focus out of the team as the trainer would be an ever present part of every team. It works in Shin Megami because the demons are disposable and you need that fixed piece that is the protagonist while in Pokémon you’re supposed to care and raise your Pokémon for a long time, which makes the trainer unnecessary.
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>>37556269
Yeah, this is why it wouldn't work in a mainline entry. I suppose you could do a spinoff with "disposable pokemon" though.
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>>37556222
>replying to your own post
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>>37556269
> while in Pokémon you’re supposed to care and raise your Pokémon for a long time, which makes the trainer unnecessary.
> Total Opposite of Pokemon Go
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>>37555285
>>37555280
It's One More, yeah.
And like every other SMT battle system it's basically Press Turn with training wheels.

Also, P1, 2, and 5 all feature negotiation.
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>>37554528
Anon can you read
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>>37556640
Elemental weaknesses have been a common JRPG trope literally forever and SMT didn't make them the core of gameplay until 2003.
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>>37551992
>SMT is a worse series.
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>>37556671
> SMT didn't make them the core of gameplay until 2003.

What is Soul Hackers, what is Persona 1
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>>37556343
pokemon should've been disposable from the get go. they're pocket MONSTERS not pocket people
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>>37557349
this

imagine how much better the games would be if you could buy and sell mons like an actual professional breeder
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>>37557027
Have you played either of those games? They both have more in common with SMT1 than Nocturne.
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>>37551992
>smt is a worse series
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>>37557372
Yes but Elemental use is a key part in them, did you mean Press Turn? Because that isn't just Elemental Attacks, that also applies to Phys Weakness, Gun Weakness and landing Crits, in those games it deals extra damage, just like Pokemon.
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>>37552821
>except catching them?
>and training them?
>and teaching them new attacks?
>and overall making their quality of life far better than if they were just in the wild?
thats your idea of loving your pokemon? lol ok
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I've only played Persona but if the "monster catching" is the same in Persona as SMT then it would be absolute garbage for Pokemon.

You get a chance to win a monster in a card game after some battles - chances are it will be a duplicate - and you can't change the persona for your party members outside of a story based form upgrade.
Again, SMT might be different, but I felt zero connection to any of the summons in P4. They all look like Yugioh artworks and you're actively encouraged to mix them together and delete to make space since you have a very limited number of slots. They only even appear in battle as spell animations for your characters attacks.

I completed all of P4 and the only name I can remember is Jack Frost and a King frost variant because the rest suffer from over designed humanoid or eldritch horror syndrome. I still thought it was an incredible game but because of the human characters not the monsters. They're an accessory in Persona whereas they're the focus in Pokemon.
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>>37557752
>I've only played Persona
SMT and Persona are two different games. Comparing them is like comparing Final Fantasy to Pokemon.
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>>37557752
This only applies to Persona 3 and 4, most SMT games you talk to the Demon and negotiate it, offer it items and it would hopefully join you, and your party members include the demons you've recruited.

It varies from game to game, the standard is usually what I described, but games like Persona 3 & 4 and Devil Survivor are different.
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>>37557752
Funny, I've only played SMT. From what I'm reading I can assure you that it's significantly more demon-focused than Persona, though you still have limited space and are encouraged to fuse weak demons into stronger ones as you progress.
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>>37552019

Why isnt this on Switch
I dont want to buy a Wii U
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>>37557752
>over designed humanoid or eldritch horror syndrome
wow anon you have bad taste
Kaneko's demons are almost all great.
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>>37557819
>This only applies to Persona 3 and 4
And 5.
Aside from the way you obtain them they're still treated as generic equips.
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>>37557683
>in those games it deals extra damage,
You mean like in every other JRPG ever?
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>>37557855
Yes, it's a common JRPG trope but a big part of the combat system of SMT since it's conception.
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>>37557874
Not really.
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>>37557819
That's completely fair, I had been wondering for a long time how they differ. The Personas being fancy spell animations was a bit dissapointing to me but I like the idea of fighting alongside them as units.
>>37557848
I just feel It suffers from the same problem as modern digimon/Yugioh designs where the demon/monster is actually a human wearing some fancy clothes/armour. The ones that I felt had truly unique designs always seems to get fused into a fancy human like that awesome woman who is basically made out of hair Then a lot of the other ones look like pic related. Not necessarily bad, just not distinct enough from the many other multi-faced/limbed demons in the series.
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>>37551978
Pokémon are not tools of war.
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>>37557924
> Not really.

The Majority of moves revolve around elemental attacks, while Press Turns weren't a thing back then this still applies, you cannot take out elemental moves and just leave whatever Phys attacks are left. Have you not played an SMT game before?
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sugimori is a garbage artist and designer, his art style is the shittiest art ive ever seen in a japanese rpg
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>>37557931
>The ones that I felt had truly unique designs always seems to get fused into a fancy human
Then don't fuse them into one?
Also most demons and gods are depicted with humanoid appearances.
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>>37552090
I don't think so.
Charizard will kill a human.
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>>37557924
Riiight, so let's just pretend most of the demons don't have a unique set of weaknesses and resistances that you have to build a team around because you can't steamroll the game with just one element.
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.>>37557978
>Then don't fuse them into one?
That's not how the game works though. Most of the lower tier persona's will stop gaining moves around their mid 20's and gain less stats per level up than their fused counterparts. You are pretty much forced to combine them or straight up replace them with objectively better Personas from later areas.
>Also most demons and gods are depicted with humanoid appearances
and that's fine but I would argue against comparing the series to pokemon as a "monster catching" game because it's not really the same. In Persona they are just fancy equipment and in SMT (from what has been said here) they are full fledged party members in a standard JRPG that have to be negotiated and bargained with as opposed to being captured. They're much closer to human characters than tamed monsters.
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>>37557955
I like his drawings (though I wish he'd return to his superior style from the late 90s), but not his original designs.
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>>37558092
>That's not how the game works though
You do realise I was referring to the fact that you could fuse them into a non humanoid demon right?
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>>37557982
In this world yes, but Pokemon world uses cartoon physics, they won't kill a human.
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>>37558092
>full fledged party members
Not exactly. In earlier games they can't level up, and from Nocturne onwards they have the same issue as Personas where they stop learning new skills and their XP requirements for each level grow really fast.
However, you're still collecting them; all but the earliest games have a Compendium that keeps track of how many you've obtained and lets you resummon them.
It's just a different kind of collecting.
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False. Pokémon kill other Pokémon, non-human animals and Humans.

Some Pokémon eat Human and other Pokémon.
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>>37556163
There's a bunch of different Digimon games that don't involve humans fighting, anon. Not all of them have humans fighting.

>>37555598
>And that itself was incorrect and retarded.
No it isn't.

>Bitch, I'll do whatever the fuck I want.
Just like I'll say whatever I want because no one cares about you coming in to bring up irrelevant shit just because you can't follow discussion.

>But if it does contain monster collecting
The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting. Does the post say "the Digimon franchise doesn't contain monster collecting?" No. Stop being illiterate. Read the post being responded to.

>Maybe if you understood context, you would understand that the focus of the discussion has shifted
But it hasn't shifted. It's just you trying to bring up irrelevant points.

>>37556213
>Does Digimon contain Monster Collecting
The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting.

>The Majority of Digimon games ARE Monster collecting games
No they're not.

>humans fighting digimon has nothing to do with it Digimon has monster collecting,
We're talking about how monster collecting games DON'T use humans fighting. How retarded are you? Why are you this incapable of following the discussion? Is the entire premise of the thread wrong just because Pokemon contains humans fighting in the Manga? Is the original poster wrong because Digimon CONTAINS parts where humans don't fight? Stop being a retard.
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>>37558452
> The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting.
Then why did you try to argue that it didn't? You tried to add in some bullshit that was false and when you were corrected you go "B-BUT THE ORIGINAL POINT WAS" as if it had anything to do with you being a retard.

> No they're not.
as listed from >>37556223 Yes they are, even now they do not have plans of making World games (The Pet Sim kind) and are working ANOTHER Story game (Monster Collecting)

> Were talking about-
We were talking about Humans fighting, YOU were the retard who brought up "But Digimon doesn't have monster collecting at all!" When it FUCKING DOES. I wouldn't be surprised if you're the same retard who thinks SMT doesn't primarily use a Elemental System, because it's apparent that neither person knows shit about either franchise, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same person.
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>>37558483
>Then why did you try to argue that it didn't?
I never did. Try reading.

>as listed from
Great, now try including all the other games and all the virtual pets and then see if it's still in the majority. Also the fact that he includes Digimon World 3 as a "monster collecting game" when there are only 8 fucking rookie characters with everything else just being evolutions of those rookie characters makes the entire list suspect. You may as well include any RPG with multiple possible party members as "monster collecting games."

>But Digimon doesn't have monster collecting at all!
That's not what I said. Your level of illiteracy is amazing.

If we're being this retarded I can just as easily argue the other guy is wrong because he brought up "But all of Digimon has humans fighting!!"
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>>37558452
>No it isn't.
Yes it is. You are incorrect and retarded.

>Just like I'll say whatever I want because no one cares about you coming in to bring up irrelevant shit just because you can't follow discussion.
Of course, you'll say whatever you want. You've spouting lies and trying to change the subject this entire time as if no one can see through your bull shit. So keep coming back and bringing nothing but garbage with you. I won't expect anything else because you've already proven you have nothing else.

>The argument isn't about whether or not the entire Digimon franchise contains monster collecting.
Like this. You can't admit that the statement you made was wrong because you're a pathetic loser and when people bring it up you try to point at something else. You can't even acknowldge that the people talking with you now aren't interested in whether humans fight with Digimon, but you keep insisting that that is what the argument is currently about as you've conjured up an entire side conversation where that was still the topic that no one else here is privy to.

>But it hasn't shifted. It's just you trying to bring up irrelevant points.
I'm not even bringing up points. I'm trying to make you acknowledge the shit you said.
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>>37558637
>Yes it is. You are incorrect and retarded.
No it isn't. You are incorrect and retarded.

>You've spouting lies and trying to change the subject this entire time
Just like you keep doing? I won't expect anything else because you've already proven you have nothing else.

>You can't admit that the statement you made was wrong because you're a pathetic loser
Or you can't admit you can't read the thread because you're a pathetic loser.

>You can't even acknowldge that the people talking with you now aren't interested in whether humans fight with Digimon
I can acknowledge it. I can acknowledge they're retards who can't follow the discussion. If you aren't interested then don't post.

>I'm trying to make you acknowledge the shit you said
I'm trying to make you acknowledge the post being responded to.
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>>37557371
The ashnime did most of the effort into humanizing the pokemon
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>>37555265
Well that sure is a well uninformed opinion then..
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>>37558533
> Try reading
Try looking up the fucking games before opening your mouth.

> now try including all the other games and all the virtual pets and then see if it's still in the majority.
Digimon World 1, Digimon Championship (It's both but I'll count it) Digimon World: Re-Digitize and Digimon World: Next Order, FOUR FUCKING GAMES. And no, I don't count the V-Pets because they're a separate thing, not video games, If the Digivice Toy counts as a Video Game, so does the fucking Pokewalker.

> If we're being this retarded I can just as easily argue the other guy is wrong because he brought up "But all of Digimon has humans fighting!!"

Nobody said it was, you said plain and simple "Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator." Can you STILL say that when looking at Digimon's video games? What you said is FACTUALLY WRONG, It's not even an exception, you literally were wrong about a topic you don't know shit about.
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>>37558955
>Try looking up the fucking games before opening your mouth.
Try reading the fucking thread before opening your mouth.

>And no, I don't count the V-Pets
Good for you. I do.

>not video games
>/ˈvidēō ˌɡām/
>a game played by electronically manipulating images produced by a computer program on a television screen or other display screen.

>Nobody said it was
Just like I never said "the entire franchise doesn't contain monster collecting."

>Can you STILL say that when looking at Digimon's video games?
Yes.

>What you said is FACTUALLY WRONG,
No it isn't.
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>>37559076
> T-Try reading again
Yeah that showed me, that clearly made you in the right, I guess those Digimon games don't exist anymore huh.

> I count them as video games
So the Pokewalker is a Pokemon Video Game to you? Despite the fact, you know, They're made completely independent of each other and are marketed differently?

> I-I'm still right and you're still wrong haha I w-win.

Yes this clearly isn't a fucking Monster Collecting game, it's clearly a pet sim that encourages you to build a team of Digimon and to collect them and learn their typings and weaknesses.
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>>37558702
>Or you can't admit you can't read the thread because you're a pathetic loser.
No one is agreeing with you. You claim that other people can't read, but maybe it's just you that is illiterate and can't understand what is written here. How about you read the fucking thread to understand what the issue here. Oh, but that might be too much to ask of you.

>If you aren't interested then don't post.
You were the one who entered a discussion about Digimon being a monster collecting game by responding to someone who was focusing on it. You were the one who shouldn't have posted if you didn't want it to be about that.

>I'm trying to make you acknowledge the post being responded to.
I did acknowledge it the first time I entered this discussion. It just makes you look like more of a fool that you're desperately clinging to it.
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>>37555454
Hoenn Ash confirmed superhuman
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>>37551978
Have it take place in medieval times, give mc a choice between swords, spears. bows

Or turn it into ni no kuni
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>>37554541
>/co/ reaction image
well, there you go
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>>37557371
Pokémon are not items.
They are living beings.
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>>37559288
yeah, he's based and redpilled
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>>37558092
>In Persona they are just fancy equipment
Literally the same case in pokemon
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>>37559129
>Y-you're wrong
Yeah that showed me, that clearly made you in the right, I guess those Digimon virtual pets don't exist anymore huh.

>So the Pokewalker is a Pokemon Video Game to you?
Yes.

>Yes this clearly isn't a fucking Monster Collecting game
Yes this clearly isn't a fucking virtual pet game, it's clearly a monster collecting game that has humans fighting in it.
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>>37559152
>No one is agreeing with you.
Multiple retards existing doesn't make those multiple retards correct.

>How about you read the fucking thread to understand what the issue here
Follow your own advice.

>You were the one who entered a discussion about Digimon being a monster collecting game by responding to someone who was focusing on it.
Yes focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection. it. You were the one who shouldn't have posted if you didn't want it to be about that.

>I did acknowledge it the first time I entered this discussion.
No you didn't. You just came in and starting bringing up irrelevant shit to pretend to be smart. It just makes you look like more of a fool that you're desperately clinging to it.
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>>37559312
> I guess those Digimon virtual pets don't exist anymore huh.
Never said they didn't, you said, as you like to parade around "Digimon isn't a monster collecting game. It's a virtual pet simulator." Digimon has both, you're pretending those games were a one time mistake forgotten about, when they're what Digimon's Dev Team is focused on, I guess you know better than they do when it comes to games they make.

> Pokewalker is a Video Game
Care to find me a Game Review of it? a rating system, Metacritic, Development team, anything?

> It's clearly a monster collecting game that has humans fighting in it.
Pic related fought Digimon with his arms, if you're going to say "B-But Technically this toy counts as a video game!" then this should too.
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>>37559354
> Yes focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection. it.

For someone who boasts about good English you clearly are seething, what was that sentence?

> No you didn't. You just came in and starting bringing up irrelevant shit to pretend to be smart. It just makes you look like more of a fool that you're desperately clinging to it.

You literally just did that you dense motherfucker, possibly twice if you're the same retard who thinks SMT's fighting didn't need an Elemental System. What does "Digimon isn't a Monter Collector" have to do with Humans Fighting Monsters in general? and out of desperation you claim that The Pokewalker is a Pokemon Video game, the fucking POKEWALKER, the One-Time Tamagotchi that has never been listed as such.
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>>37559354
>No you didn't. You just came in and starting bringing up irrelevant shit to pretend to be smart. It just makes you look like more of a fool that you're desperately clinging to it.
I already told you that you don't need to be smart to point out the retard in the room.

>Yes focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection.
Utter nonsense. Learn to read, or better yet, get your ass out of your head and don't respond to people if you can't handle an actual discussion.

>Multiple retards existing doesn't make those multiple retards correct.
Considering that you're wrong on what you said, this makes you worse than the retards you're referring to.

>Follow your own advice.
I have. I just see a retard desperately trying to weasel their way out of acknowledging their mistake by pointing at a topic that's already been abandoned in their discussion.
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>>37559361
>Digimon has both
We're not talking about the entire Digimon franchise you retard. We're talking about Digimon that has humans fighting. Which is BASED on virtual pets.

>when they're what Digimon's Dev Team is focused on,
I don't care. We're not talking about Digimon Dev Team.

>Care to find me a Game Review of it?
Game reviews existing doesn't qualify something as a video game.

>Pic related fought Digimon with his arms
It also isn't a human. So no, it doesn't count.

>>37559391
>For someone who boasts about good English you clearly are seething, what was that sentence?
Try learning how to be literate first.

>What does "Digimon isn't a Monter Collector" have to do with Humans Fighting Monsters in general?
Read the thread. The post being responded to was
>focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection

>>37559545
>I already told you that you don't need to be smart to point out the retard in the room.
But you do need to be smart to understand context. You can't even meet that requirement.

>Utter nonsense.
So you don't even have an argument. Incredible.

>Learn to read, or better yet, get your ass out of your head and don't respond to people if you can't handle an actual discussion
Follow your own advice.

>Considering that you're wrong on what you said
But I wasn't.

>that's already been abandoned
No, it hasn't. You're just trying to ignore context to make yourself look correct.
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>>37559623
> We're not talking about the entire Digimon franchise you retard. We're talking about Digimon that has humans fighting. Which is BASED on virtual pets.

You keep whining and crying over "DIGIMON ISNT A MONSTER COLLECTOR" and when proven wrong you said "BUT WE ARENT TALKING ABOUT IT" You're the retard who brought it up in the first place and you're the retard who keeps saying it but says "oh but that's not what we're talking about" whenever you're proven wrong, shut your fucking mouth with your irrelevant bullshit then.

> I don't care we're not talking about it because it disproves me
Good to see you acting your age, underage.

> game reviews don't count it as a game
Neither does having a screen, that description applies to Calculators and Pedometers, which is what Pokewalker is listed as. Not a video game system, a Pedometer.

> Pic related isn't a human
He is a human you fucking retard, He has always has been human and even when his arm has been replaced with a monster, that still MAKES HIM HUMAN. If you get a prostetic leg you aren't changed from a human to a cyborg now are you?
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>>37559719
>You keep whining and crying over "DIGIMON ISNT A MONSTER COLLECTOR"
Because it isn't in the context of humans fighting with their Digimon. It's based on virtual pets.

>and when proven wrong
I was never proven wrong.

>underage
I'm not the one who's unable to read.

>Calculators and Pedometers
Calculators and pedometers can in fact have games, yes.

>He is a human you fucking retard
This is human to you? lmao

>He has always has been human and even when his arm has been replaced with a monster
And you said the arm is doing the attacking. Which means the monster is doing the attacking. Which means it isn't a human attacking. Jesus you can't even follow your own fucking posts.
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>>37559623
> Try learning how to be literate first.
I should learn from you then, "Yes focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection. it." is perfect English.

> focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection

Except that isn't fucking true, Starmon Sword has been used by humans in Digimon in Digimon Xross, the season where Digimon are collected to build an army, and Cyber Sleuth where Arata uses an Eater Arm to defeat Digimon.
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>all these digifags and SMTautists pretending their franchises matter
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>>37559744
>I should learn from you then
Yup. Now learn how to understand context instead of coming into a thread and bringing up irrelevant points.

>Starmon Sword has been used by humans
Is Starmon Sword a human? No? Then your point is irrelevant. It's still a Digimon doing the fighting with a human using it as a tool.
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>>37559738
> This is human to you? lmao
> And you said the arm is doing the attacking. Which means the monster is doing the attacking. Which means it isn't a human attacking. Jesus you can't even follow your own fucking posts.

Arata has always been a human, his arm has been transformed into an Eater to fight, He, The Human, is using an Eater as a weapon to fight, If I were to hit you with a small robot, is it me attacking you or the robot? By your own fucking excuse, Lusamine isn't a human and is attacking humans and Pokemon because she uses Pokemon to battle.
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>>37559761
> It's still a Digimon doing the fighting with a human using it as a tool.

Then what's the difference between that and Humans who use Pokemons as tools for fighting? You keep trying to make excuses that it completely fucks over Pokemon in the process too lol
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>>37559765
>his arm has been transformed into an Eater to fight
And the arm is doing the attacking. Which means it still isn't a human attacking.

>>37559772
>Then what's the difference between that and Humans who use Pokemons as tools for fighting?
Nothing. Which is exactly the point. The human isn't fighting. They're just using monsters as tools.
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>>37559778
> The arm is doing the attacking
So they'd arrest the gun instead of the person who'd shoot someone, makes sense.

> Nothing, They're just using monsters as tools.

Except there is, a Gun or Sword does not have a will of it's own, using it as a tool doesn't make IT the attacker, it makes the person wielding it the attacker, a Pokemon has a will and conscious, a Sword and Monster Arm do not, they are literal weapons.
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>>37559761
> Yup.
So you not only cannot admit when you're wrong, SEVERAL TIMES NOW, but you think your broken English was perfect, perfect example of a Pokeparasite.
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>>37559791
>So they'd arrest the gun instead of the person who'd shoot someone
If the person were the one commanding the monster to attack someone else, the person would be arrested. But it doesn't change the fact that the monster is doing the attacking.

>a Gun or Sword does not have a will of it's own,
Doesn't matter if they have a will. They're still being used as tools by the human. The human themselves isn't directly attacking.
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>>37559800
>So you not only cannot admit when you're wrong
Why would I admit to something that didn't happen?

>but you think your broken English was perfect
It's a better learning example than wherever the fuck you learned English from.
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>>37559802
> If the person were the one commanding the monster to attack someone else, the person would be arrested. But it doesn't change the fact that the monster is doing the attacking.

Right, if a Monster attacks someone, it was that monster's choice to follow through with it, Pokemon have a will of their own, they can disobey.

> The human themselves isn't directly attacking.

Then Freddy Kruger never killed someone, it was all the knife glove's fault.
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>>37559807
> Why would I admit to something that didn't happen?
> lmao this character isn't human because he has a fake arm

This is human to you? lmao
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>>37559807
> It's a better learning example

You couldn't even type a correct sentence because you were seething, lol
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>>37559817
>it was that monster's choice to follow through with it
And the human commanded it. So the human is also responsible.

>Then Freddy Kruger never killed someone
He killed people with the glove. But he is responsible for killing. Just like someone commanding a Digimon to kill someone else would be still responsible for killing.

>>37559825
Yes, that is a human. The leg isn't human though. If it's just a monster arm doing attacking then it's not a human attacking.

>>37559835
You can't even read posts properly because you were seething, lol
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>>37560066
> The human is responsible but didn't attack them
Look at ANY Crime, the weapon is listed but it's not listed as The Attacker, The MURDER uses a Tool, the Tool is NOT the Murderer. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

> That is human, The leg isn't human though.
You looked at Arata and said "That isn't human" You did NOT say "His arm isn't human" you said "That isn't human" refering to Arata, not Arata's Arm. Either you have bad grammar or you move goalpoasts saying "But I meant this, even though I said this" in which, your English is shite.
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>>37560066
> N-No you you didn't read it right

"Yes focusing on Digimon having humans fighting yet the media that has humans fighting isn't based on monster collection. it."

This is 100% Perfect English and in no way could have been worded better?
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>>37560066
Oh, forgot your other shit argument
> If it's just a monster arm doing attacking then it's not a human attacking.

In that sense, you being punched in the face with a prosthetic arm means a Human did not attack you, and therefore the arm would be listed as the attacker, not the human.
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>>37560145
>Look at ANY Crime, the weapon is listed but it's not listed as The Attacker,
Yes. Because the attacker is responsible. Just like the human would be responsible if they commanded a Digimon to kill someone.

>"That isn't human"
You were talking about his arm. "That" refers to his arm. It's amazing how you can't even follow the context of your own post.

>>37560158
>This is 100% Perfect English and in no way could have been worded better?
It's clear what it says. It's better than your English that is making you not even able to read posts in the thread to gather context.

>>37560222
>In that sense, you being punched in the face with a prosthetic arm means a Human did not attack you
The human did attack you. By using the arm as a tool. Just like the human can attack others by using a Digimon. But that doesn't make the Digimon a human.
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>>37559745
>Pokemon should be the only franchise IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that's allowed to be a Monster Collecting RPG!
>Mario should be the only franchise IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that's allowed to be a Platformer, and Mario Kart should be the only game IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that's allowed to be a Racing Game!
>Zelda should be the only franchise IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that's allowed to be an Adventure RPG!
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>>37560323
> Just like the human would be responsible if they commanded a Digimon to kill someone.
They would, but there is a difference between me stabbing you and sicking a dog on you, the dog would attack you, the knife would not, the knife did not conciously decide to attack you, it cannot be listed as an attacker, in both situations, I am responsible, but in both I am the attacker, the one who initiated it.

> You were talking about his arm. "That" refers to his arm.
No no, I said Arata, Arata is the PERSON, I posted the picture of the PERSON, you said, to the picture of the PERSON

>Pic related fought Digimon with his arms
It also isn't a human. So no, it doesn't count.

If you were refering to the arm, you would have said "The Arm isn't human" or "It also isn't a human arm" The way you said it implies you meant Arata himself, if you were referring to his arm, your wording is off, so much for your English.

> The human did attack you. By using the arm as a tool. Just like the human can attack others by using a Digimon. But that doesn't make the Digimon a human.

That was never the argument, and what a retarded argument it is, Nobody argues a Gun is human because it was used by a human. Nice retard logic though.
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>>37560352
Mario and Zelda not so much, their fans are smart enough not to think Megaman, Sonic and myriads of other platformers are Mario Ripoffs, same for Zelda, it's only Pokemon that thinks Monster Collecting is a trademarked idea because it's such a different concept than "Jumping on Platforms" or "Exploring a Fantasy World"
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>>37559778
Explain this
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>>37560408
>They would, but there is a difference between me stabbing you and sicking a dog on you
The human is responsible for both if the human is in full command of the dog.

> I posted the picture of the PERSON
That includes his arm while mentioning the arm doing the attacking.

>If you were refering to the arm, you would have said
It isn't a human. "It" as in the arm.

>The way you said it implies you meant Arata himself
No. It's how you chose to interpret it.

>your wording is off
No it isn't.

>That was never the argument
You're the one trying to argue that the prosthetic arm is the human just because the human is controlling it.

>and what a retarded argument it is
I'm glad you're finally admitting you're wrong.
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>>37559761
> This entire argument

By that logic, Humans in SMT Don't fight Demons, their Swords, Guns and ectra do!

Also, in the Digimon Masters Online MMO, you can play as Marcus and directly attack a Digimon and defeat them with skills, in both situations the game LITERALLY has a Human Entity Attack and defeat a Digimon Enemy.
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>>37560576
Based on virtual pets. Not monster collecting. We've been over this.
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>>37560352
>shittier franchise did [thing] so that means [much more successful franchise] should also do thing and I have to bring it up wherever possible to pretend it's relevant!
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>>37560622
> The human is responsible for both if the human is in full command of the dog.
That's responsible, not if they are fighting or attacking, which was the entire point.

> That includes his arm while mentioning the arm doing the attacking, It isn't a human. "It" as in the arm. No. It's how you chose to interpret it. My wording isn't off.

You do not say "It also isn't a human." When referring to an arm, that is incorrect grammar. "It also isn't human." would have been acceptable but that isn't what you wrote.

> You're the one trying to argue that the prosthetic arm is the human

I am not, I am arguing the HUMAN is FIGHTING the DIGIMON WITH IT, That was the whole point, whether or not it was a Human Arm or a Monster Arm, Arata Sanata, as a Character in the game, is engaging Digimon to FIGHT WITH. God, you really are retarded.

>>>37560629
> Based on virtual pets. Not monster collecting. We've been over this.

In the MMO >>37560622 refers to, you COLLECT Digimon, I guess we'll add that to the list of things you talk like you're an expert on but don't know shit about.
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>>37560655
> I have to bring it up wherever possible to pretend it's relevant!

Yes it's clearly the Yo-Kai Watch fans that go around saying that everyone else copied their totally original idea and making Top 10 Yo-Kai Watch ripoff lists and list literally anything resembling a monster or kaiju.
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>>37559745
> All these Pokeparasites clinging to a shitty franchise because of it's success and pretending they're just as successful for buying a Fisher Price JRPG

you can't make this shit up pffft hahaa
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>But SMT did, so Pokémon should did it, too
Eww, no.
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>>37554320
>b-but 3ds
Yeah, but that one is a Switch title
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>>37560655
The only reason we haven't seen a more recent franchise better than Pokemon is because the entry barrier to getting anywhere requires you to immediately be a global multimedia abomination and NOT get instantly killed by the accursed phrase "It's a Pokemon Ripoff".
And that's outright impossible unless all the Moneygrubbing Titans of the World band together and throw all their money into making such a thing.
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>>37554634
lmao, fucking casual.
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>>37560624
>By that logic, Humans in SMT Don't fight Demons, their Swords, Guns and ectra do
No because swords and guns are separate from the demons. So the human is a separate unit acting on its own. Using a Digimon as an arm or a sword is still just the Digimon attacking in a series about using Digimon to attack.

http://dmo.gameking.com/Guide/BattleSystem.aspx
>The tamer doesn't directly participate.

lmao

>>37560662
>not if they are fighting or attacking
The human isn't directly fighting. But they are still responsible. Just like the human isn't directly fighting by using their monster arm to attack.

>that is incorrect grammar
No it's not. "The arm also isn't a human" is correct. So "It also isn't a human" is also correct. "Human" is a noun as well as an adjective. Would you say:

"That cat isn't gorilla" or
"That cat isn't a gorilla"?

Think hard about it now anon. You might have to actually use brain power for this one.

>m-muh MMO
see above.
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>>37551978
Honestly, whst's the harm in trying to revisit old ideas and seeing if they can bring something new to the table? With things like that and Gen 3's "adding another party member slot", it'd do a lot to change how the games function instead of effectively being the same thing in a different paintjob and more dialogue.
And if it annoys purists so much, there'd still be a way to keep it separate. Gen 5's Launcher battles weren't the main course, after all.
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>>37560746
> No because swords and guns are separate from the demons. So the human is a separate unit acting on its own.
This is incorrect, in Soul Hackers, you can turn a demon into a sword to use in combat, Is it suddenly not him fighting or is it a demon?

> The tamer doesn't directly participate lmao
https://dmowiki.com/Tamers#Marcus_Damon

Bash! 30 Seconds cooldown
Punches the enemy, causing damage!

lmao you couldn't even google the fucking game right

> The human isn't directly fighting.
The human is engaging the enemy, using their own wits and plotting to attack the enemy, the sword is just a means of connecting an attack, it is still the human attacking, The sword does not attack on it's own, the sword does not engage in combat, the sword is just a means for a human to attack in another way.

> No it's not
Would you say:

The arm isn't human
The arm isn't a human
The arm isn't a human's

Think hard Anon, and reread what you typed, you might actually have to lower your ego for this one.
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>>37560790
>This is incorrect, in Soul Hackers, you can turn a demon into a sword to use in combat, Is it suddenly not him fighting or is it a demon?
The demon. But you don't have to use the demon so the human is still involved.

>lmao you couldn't even google the fucking game right
I'm the one using information on the official website instead of an unofficial wiki.

>The human is engaging the enemy, using their own wits and plotting to attack the enemy
Just like they do in Pokemon. It doesn't matter.

>Would you say:
The arm isn't a human. Because it's a digital monster, not a human.
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>>37560833
> The demon. But you don't have to use the demon so the human is still involved.
No Gameplay Element is changed, as well as NPCs stating specifically You, the Human Player, to fight them.

> I'm using information on the official website instead of an unofficial wiki
The Skill is literally in the game that you can use for Marcus (And Specifically Marcus, as like in the anime, he is the only one who engages Digimon) to have attack skills that actually damage that Digimon.

> Just like they do in Pokemon. It doesn't matter.
Except for Wild Pokemon, and when the Pokemon disobeys and uses it's own attacks. Seems not only you don't know shit about Digimon, but Pokemon too.

> The arm isn't a human. Because it's a digital monster, not a human.

The arm itself isn't sentient, if it were a digital monster (It isn't even, it's an eldritch monster from another dimension) you would say "The arm isn't human" because it isn't human, saying "The arm a human" if it were a human arm does not fit.
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>>37560833
Oh, and if you still think I'm bullshitting you, here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_O71vWUXx4
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>>37560377
Is that from Etrian Odyssey?
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>>37560921
Yes
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>>37560893
>NPCs stating specifically You, the Human Player, to fight them
Just like how in Pokemon the NPCs state specifically You, the Human Trainer, to battle them.

>as like in the anime
It's based on the anime which is based on virtual pets. They didn't put it in because they think it fit in a monster collection game. They only put in because they're copying the anime. It's telling that even on the website they say the tamer isn't involved.

>Except for Wild Pokemon, and when the Pokemon disobeys and uses it's own attacks
But when the Pokemon is obeying the Trainer is using their own wits to attack the opponent.

>The arm itself isn't sentient
It doesn't matter if it's sentient. It's a digital monster, not a human. I would say it's not a human because the arm literally isn't a human.
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>>37561066
> Just like how in Pokemon the NPCs state specifically You, the Human Trainer, to battle them.

But in Soul Hackers, in your own words, it's either depending on whether it's a demon sword or not, in Pokemon, you're always using Pokemon.

> They only put in because they're copying the anime. It's telling that even on the website they say the tamer isn't involved.

Except they didn't do the same for the other human tamers, they all have their own support skills and Marcus supported his Digimon in the anime as well, the website didn't list that because Tamers as a WHOLE do not engage in combat, only Marcus.

> But when the Pokemon is obeying the Trainer is using their own wits to attack the opponent.
That doesn't make sense when you said "Just like they do in Pokemon. It doesn't matter." in response to "The human is engaging the enemy"

> It doesn't matter if it's sentient. It's a digital monster, not a human. I would say it's not a human because the arm literally isn't a human.

This is incorrect in two ways, for one, it isn't a Digital Monster, It's an Eldritch Monster from another Dimension, not a Digimon, not an AI, not a Digital Monster. Second, you would say it's not human because saying It's not A human would imply it is an entire human, You yourself disprove this with "Yes, that is a human. The leg isn't human though." Why would you not say the leg isn't a human instead? Would you say This is house or This is A house? or This is Arata's Arm or This is a Arata's arm?
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>>37557371
Wasn't there early concept art of the player character doing exactly this? The pokemon came in their balls to begin with, like gacha toys.
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>>37561130
Yup, in Capsule Monsters, there were stores that literally had Pokemon in cages to be sold, including a Fetus in a jar.
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>>37557924
There's plenty of MegaTen games where using the wrong element on an enemy will get you killed really fast, or you can't reliably outdamage an enemy without using the right one. It's a pretty big part of the system, anon.
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>>37561066
Adding to that "They only put in because they're copying the anime." Is incorrect as DMO, while starting with Digimon Data Squad, features Digimon, Areas, Story Quests and Characters from other Seasons, Games, Anime, Manga and Original Content.
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>>37561131
I wonder if the fetus one is a base for mew or not
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>>37561114
>in Pokemon, you're always using Pokemon
But they always refer to the human trainer regardless. So it doesn't matter.

>Except they didn't do the same for the other human tamers
Because Marcus is the only one who punches things in the anime. So they're just copying the anime.

>That doesn't make sense when you said "Just like they do in Pokemon. It doesn't matter."
Yes it does. The human is engaging with the enemy in both cases. Even if the Pokemon disobeys it's still the human deciding the strategies and what Pokemon to use.

>It's an Eldritch Monster
So a monster?

>from another Dimension
So a digital world? Which makes it a digital monster?

>It's not A human would imply it is an entire human
No. It simply means it's not a human. A monster arm isn't a human.

>>37561144
>They only put in because they're copying the anime." Is incorrect
No it's not. All they're doing is copying things the anime is doing. They didn't put in "lol let's have Marcus punch things" because of a conscious game design decision. They did it to copy the anime.
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>>37560740
SMT came before Pokemon. It has no excuse. Pokemon would have fell into the same hole of mediocrity as every other monster collecting franchise if they put in shitty mechanics willy nilly just because of other games, instead of having a focused concept.
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>>37561568
> But they always refer to the human trainer regardless. So it doesn't matter.
Except that is also incorrect, They often refer to your Pokemon, namely how far they've come as well, especially the first Pokemon in your party, while in SMT, this is never the case.

> So they're just copying the anime.
Except they didn't at first, this feature was added later on, Tamers are also customizable through clothing and so on, while Marcus mainly had his uniform.

> So a monster?
Eldritch =/= Digital, Likewise me referring to Golem as Legendary and Rayquaza as an Ultra Beast are both incorrect terms, they're all monsters but not the same kind, small point but it shows you can't admit you're wrong.

> So a digital world? Which makes it a digital monster?
Do you not know how to read? They're from an alternate dimension beyond The Digital World and the Human one, they are NOT digital in nature. Keep trying to argue about shit you don't know about.

> No. It simply means it's not a human. A monster arm isn't a human.
If I went up to a woman with a prosthetic leg, and I say "Your leg is not a human!" She'll respond with "No shit, it's a leg."

> They didn't put in "lol let's have Marcus punch things" because of a conscious game design decision.

Except that's exactly what they did because that's what skills are, they affect the gameplay in a variety of ways, they did not use it to promote the anime as the anime has already ended long after this MMO started and Digimon has already moved on from it, meanwhile the same case cannot be said for Ash-Greninja.
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>>37552125
Found the virgin. Just stick your dick in a pussy, bro.
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>>37561579
> SMT came before Pokemon. It has no excuse.

Pokemon sells because it's designed to sell, the Pokemon designs are softened to sell, locking them through multiple versions makes it so you can convince other people to buy it or buy multiple versions yourself, the heavy marketing on collecting also makes it so you're more willing to collect merchandise as well.

This isn't about "shitty mechanics" or a "focused concept" It's about sales, and Pokemon is made to sell to small children as best much as it can, The reason why SMT didn't sell as well is because it wasn't made to sell to impressionable children, The demons are not designed to sell merchandise, it wasn't heavily marketed with tons of merch, It was simply a game about taming demons and murdering your friends.
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>>37551978
It would kill the uniqueness of Pokemon and probably be fucking stupid in implementation.

Like how is a 10 year old going to fight a charizard? A gun? So your game for all ages is going to be about a 10 year old shooting an assault rifle at wild animals, capturing ones that survive, and making them fight in actual gang wars?

It would be either stupid and edgy or another generic-ass fantasy RPG where the hero can fight dragons because magic.
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>>37561675
It's cringy edgelord bullshit that only neckbeards like? Correct!
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>>37561698
> It's cringy edgelord bullshit that only neckbeards like? Correct!

There is nothing Cringy about Splishy Splashy and Baddy Bad, nor games that gross neckbeards like to pretend that they're better than other neckbeards because their franchise is more successful. Fact of the matter is, No matter how successful Pokemon is, you're still a loser, and nothing more.
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>>37561698
> E-Edgy
When your game is sugarcoated with rainbows sparkles with no real conflict and the game treat you like a toddler, everything seems edgy in comparison.
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>>37559745
imagine being so autistic that you can't handle other series merely existing in the same genre as your favorite.
you do realize that game freak has rewarded your blind brand loyalty with garbage like legpiss, right?
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>>37561737
That's the thing, Pokeparasites hiss at everything else and worship Pokemon, but in doing so there is no alternatives and they NEED to stick with Pokemon now that there aren't any alternatives, and if you don't like it, whoops, you just fucked yourself over. As much as Masuda treats the Pokemon Audience like drooling retards, looking at the fanbase I guess I see why.
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>>37561734
>>37561737
>implying i think pokemon is some amazing franchise
It's a simple kids' game. I haven't played the core games in years. It's nothing special, but it's objectively less cringy than edgelord weeaboo trash. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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>>37561698
there's nothing cringy about pokemon, though!
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>>37561761
> edgelord weeaboo trash
Anon, the legendary Pokemon in Y was literally an Edgelord OC and Red, despite the games, anime and manga depicting him as just an average kid, is constantly seen as a Sasuke Clone.
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>>37561762
ITT we pretend I think Pokemon is good and that serious Pokemon fans are cool people.

I've like never met a "serious" Pokemon fan that was better than human garbage. A lot of pretty regular people grew up with the franchise, though. People that like SMT at all are almost strictly the same sort of people as that cringy Pokemon fan minority, though.
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>>37561774
ITT we pretend that I think all Pokemon designs are great and autistic fanart is cool
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>>37561784
> Yeah it's just the minority but those SMT fans are all cringy

"Cool People" don't make the devs change the ending of a game because you missed your waifu.
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>>37561642
>They often refer to your Pokemon
They often refer to the human too.

>Except they didn't at first, this feature was added later on
The very basis of the game is copying shit from the anime.

>Eldritch =/= Digital
It's literally a creature in the digital world that consumes data.

>but it shows you can't admit you're wrong
Why would I admit I'm wrong when I'm not wrong?

>they are NOT digital in nature
They consume and send data and inhabit a digital world. So they are. Keep trying to argue about shit you don't know about.

>She'll respond with "No shit, it's a leg."
Exactly. A monstrous prosthetic arm isn't a human.

>they did not use it to promote the anime as the anime
It doesn't matter if they're promoting the anime. They're just copying things from the anime.
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>>37561794
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>>37561675
>Pokemon sells because it's designed to sell,
You mean Pokemon was made to be well received because it was designed to be well received? Wow! If only SMT could do the same instead of having bad design decisions.

>This isn't about "shitty mechanics" or a "focused concept" It's about sales
Having a focused concept and non-shit mechanics lead to a higher quality game which leads to more sales.

>>37561737
imagine being so autistic that you have to bring up your irrelevant series every chance you get and try and force their shitty features into pokemon
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> Except they didn't at first, this feature was added later on
Like Digimon, Characters and Areas that are NOT from the Data Squad anime?

> It's literally a creature in the digital world that consumes data.
It isn't. Eaters are "limbs" of a conciousness far beyond human understanding, when Humans connected to the Digital World, so did Eaters, they gained physical form (Not Digital mind you, their descriptions just leave them as Life-Forms) and attack both Humans and Digimon and convert their information into their bodies, This has happened in the Digital World but also the Human World as well, Affecting a Digimon's data does not require you to be Digital yourself, Humans have done this before.

> Why would I admit I'm wrong when I'm not wrong?
Because you literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>They consume and send data and inhabit a digital world. So they are. Keep trying to argue about shit you don't know about.

They consume EVERYTHING and transfer it to a space BEYOND THE HUMAN AND THE DIGITAL WORLD, ITS LITERALLY STATED THAT, WHAT'S SO HARD TO GET? That's literally a turning point in Hacker's Memory where one of the characters gets attacked by Eaters IN THE REAL WORLD.

> T-They're just copying things from the anime
Like when Marcus in sunglasses brought out a Digimon that was Manga Exclusive from 2002 and fought Digimon from the first fucking anime. Just as I remember.
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>>37561855
> You mean Pokemon was made to be well received because it was designed to be well received? Wow!
It wasn't at first, you parasite, just goes to show you're only here for it's popularity and don't care about the series.

>Having a focused concept and non-shit mechanics lead to a higher quality game which leads to more sales.

Yes people bought Pokemon because it was a masterpiece in Gen 1, with the perfect balancing and no glitches whatsoever.

> Y-You're series is irrelevant
Imagine growing an ego because you're willing to defend Splishy Splashy because it's popular, in hopes some of it will rub off on you, No wonder Pokeparasites are killing this franchise.
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>>37561855
Pokemon was literally designed to be a cash cow based on its concept alone (Collecting Pokemon) and Ishihara took the reins as soon as Red and Green turned out to be a hit in Japan in order to create the anime, the most successful videogame adaptation of all time, and merchandise for the anime, as well as begin the global marketing craze known as PokeMania.
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>>37561855
>imagine being so autistic that you have to bring up your irrelevant series every chance you get and try and force their shitty features into pokemon
first of all, i've done nothing of the sort.
second of all, sugimori's the one who brought up the idea to begin with.
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> Exactly, a monstrous prosthetic arm isn't a human.
It isn't human because it's a monster.
It isn't a human because it's an arm.

Please, fucking learn English.
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>>37561934
> sugimori's the one who brought up the idea to begin with.

Huh. By the shitlet's standards, does that make him "so autistic to try to force a shitty feature into pokemon" ? I wouldn't be surprised if his ego is so big he thinks he knows Pokemon better than the people who've made it.
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>Like Digimon, Characters and Areas that are NOT from the Data Squad anime?
No. Like Digimon, Characters, and Areas FROM the Data Squad anime. Which is why that shit is in the game in the first place.

>Eaters are "limbs" of a conciousness far beyond human understanding,
That exist in the digital world and consume and send data.

>Because you literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Nope. It seems like you don't know what you're talking about, though.

>That's literally a turning point in Hacker's Memory where one of the characters gets attacked by Eaters IN THE REAL WORLD.
Digimon can attack humans in the real world. Does that make them not Digital Monsters? lmao

>Like when Marcus in sunglasses brought out a Digimon that was Manga Exclusive
No. Like when they gave Marcus a punch skill because "lol let's copy the anime"

>>37561942
>It isn't a human because it's an arm.
I'm glad you're finally getting it anon.

>Please, fucking learn English.
I already know English. Perhaps you should follow your own advice.
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>>37562015
> Which is why that shit is in the game in the first place.
And why stuff from literally everything else is in there too.

> That exist in the digital world
>>37561114
Eaters are from a higher dimension, including both ours and THE DIGITAL WORLD.

> Digimon can attack humans in the real world. Does that make them not Digital Monsters? lmao
Does that make Humans Digital Monsters? Because that's your shit argument for Eaters, you dense parasite.

> "lol let's copy the anime"
By adding the Skillset into the game fitting of that character's personality, Why do you have a problem with that again?

Also, Didn't you say something about using information from an official website instead of an Unofficial Wiki? I'll take the dialogue from the game itself than an unofficial wiki, cute attempt though.

> Selective Reading
Starting to make sense why you're retarded.

> N-No you
Copying someone doesn't make you sound smart, especially how you were wrong about literally everything up until this point and your saving grace is literally contradicting yourself and your bad wording.
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>>37562015
Oh, and if you were curious, Eaters are not from The Digital World, they INVADED it, They're from a dimension higher than the Digital World, one where they don't even have physical bodies, only by being into contact with Digimon do they have Physical bodies, they send their Data to that dimension, This is explained why you are IN THE DIGITAL WORLD. In doing so they infected The Digital World and killed countless Digimon, this is why Digimon then attack The Human World. The reason why they attack humans in the human world is for the same reason, they transfer that information from The Real World into THAT DIMENSION. NOT THE DIGITAL WORLD. Their Main Unit, The Mother Eater is located in The Digital World, not because They're from it but because like how Eaters because Physical through absorbing Digimon, the same happened to King Drasil in The Digitial World.

Eaters send data to Mother Eater in the Digital World, which is then relayed to God knows what in a dimension beyond human and Digimon comprehension.

They are NOT From The Digital World, They are from a higher plane of existence that went on to attack it, and then the human world, also.

> Digimon can attack humans in the real world. Does that make them not Digital Monsters? lmao

If Arcadiamon absorbed Ryuji, it's Tamer in the human world to grow, does that make Ryuji a Digital Life form? It's known to absorb Data to grow, but Humans are not made of data.
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>>37562047
>And why stuff from literally everything else is in there too.
Doesn't change the fact that they're copying shit from the anime.

>Eaters are from a higher dimension, including both ours and THE DIGITAL WORLD.
But they're still digital monsters once they get into the digital world.
>>37562015

>Does that make Humans Digital Monsters?
No. Because they don't literally consume data lmao

>By adding the Skillset into the game fitting of that character's personality,
Or because he literally does it in the anime.

Also, didn't you say that the unofficial wiki is what should be googled? I'll the classification from the wiki than cherrypicked dialogue, cute attempt though.

>Starting to make sense why you're retarded.
No, but I'm glad you continue showing off your illiteracy.

>Copying someone doesn't make you sound smart
A low effort post deserves a low effort response.

>especially how you were wrong about literally everything up until this point
But I'm not.

>>37562083
>only by being into contact with Digimon do they have Physical bodies
So they become digital monsters. Thanks for sharing.

>does that make Ryuji a Digital Life form?
He becomes one while he's a part of Arcadiamon.



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