for gen 8 game freak should go back to 2d animated sprites.
>>37550953>have high-quality 3D models made for every Pokemon>downgrade back to sprites for no reason
I agree, this is fucking awful
>>37550953For gen 4, Game Freak should have gone to 3D animated models. Because gen 4 and 5 were so lazy, an undue amount of work was put in gen 6 in the modeling department, and gen 5 remains the worst looking generation to this day.
>>37550960Does this >>37550964 looks like an upgrade to you shit brain?
>>37550953>spend obscene amounts of time modelling over 800 Pokemon, including their forms>"lol let's just go back to sprites"The problem lies within the texturing, shading, and animation. If they stopped trying to replicate the shitty washed-out Sugimori colors that aren't evident anywhere else in the franchise, got better shading, improved the texture work (and I don't mean "take the 3DS Textures and upscale them, which is obviously what they did for LGPE") and made the Pokemon less stoic for the purpose of being able to easily transition from one animation to the next, they'd have a damn good deal with the models.Fucking HAL made it work all the way back in Stadium, so what's stopping GameFreak?
I want 3D models to stay but with more lively animations.Most Pokemon just sort of stand there.
>>37550960wow you got fucked only with the second postImagine being this btfo
>>37550953Sprites are associated with low quality indie shovelware now.It'd be a terrible business decision.
>>37550969They're too detailed for the 3DS, why else do you think the framerate drops so much with more than two on screen?
>>37550953No.Also your pic is good at proving that models arent "washed out" and that it was sprites that had retarded colors.
>>37550998GameFreak's Perspective isn't the handful of Kaijumons that Genwunners cling onto like a nutritious teat, it's all the unusual designs that are most prevalent aside from "my mom's animal".
>>37550998Melmetal is actually a combination of the Magneton/Dugtrio "just stick several together" philosophy and the Pidgeot/Poliwrath "it just gets bigger" philosophy.So yes, it's a Gen 1 design.
>>37550979Yeah, it actually looks like what inspired its design instead of some retarded fish creature that was somehow able to walk on such tiny fins.
>>37550996Do they happen to be too detailed for the switch too?
>>37551036No, LGPE is just a rushed game on a ported engine.
>>37551036Nah, it's the flaws with the original engine. Even BotW had performance issues, but as it was ported from WiiU it's pretty obvious as to why they happened.
Though I do think sprites are preferable to the current graphics, 3D could be just fine if they put a little work into it. They won't, but if they just made the colors more vibrant and made the animations less lifeless then it would look good.
>>37551027Imagine having this shit taste, and thinking the 3D model of Eelektross looks better than the sprite. Are you so proud that you think you can defend that argument, when you are clearly wrong?
Gen V's moving sprites was peak aesthetic, 6 and 7 look worse than the stopmotion sections of Courage the Cowardly Dog
>>37551050>imagine being this much of in insecure, seething spritecuck
>>37551081don't be so butthurt anon. you know your argument was lousy, it was your own fault from the beginning when you choose to defend Eelektross 3D modelI mean... come on
>>37551115Nah kid. Its model COULD actually be a 4k-tier representation of the poop emoji and it would still be better than the retardedness that was its Gen V sprite. I only started seeing it as something other than 'dexfiller trash in VI with its updated model. But cry more about your pweciious spwites, cuck.
>>37551045It really hurts to see webms like this that show what the games could be like. I know that the Coliseum/XD/BR series of games had a lot more work put into individual models because a lot less Pokémon were available but goddamn it's not like GF doesn't earn enough. It's just that the fans will swallow literally anything they shit out and complain when not everyone thanks them for it.
>>37550964It's walking animation looks like the movemend from Generation 5.
>>37551152I'm hoping that they went with the bland animations we got because of the 3DS's shitty resolution and that we'll get better animations for gen 8.Creatures does the Pokemon art anyway so it's not like GF has to spend time on it.
>>37551155Jesus that's awful, should just swim around. Also I posted that as a joke, I think it's way better than the goofy sprite and now 2 anons are arguing over it lol
>>37551169>should just swim aroundSwim in what? It doesn't live in the water.
>>37551181it can Levitate
>>37551146kek, dude you are in such a denial and so prideful. It's kind of sad and pathetic at the same time, you ARE defending bad 3D models then! You think that, only because is in 3D, Its glorious; I bet you think Xatu looks amazing aswellit must be awful to be you right now and deal with yourself, stuck defending this flaw argument... I'll have some mercy and end this conversationJust think about conversation, ok?
>>37551208But that's not swimming.>>37551198Neither it nor any of its pre-evolutions can be found in water.
>>37551181did you burn all your neurons?
>>37551213>"nonono, y-y-you're wrong b-because I s-say so"cope, cuck
>>37551220>They crawl out of the ocean using their arms. They will attack prey on shore and immediately drag it into the ocean.Eelektross is aquatic
>>37551164No, the 3D art is deliberately very high-poly (and runs like shit on all 3DS games with shitty framerates when more than 2 pokemon are on-screen) because they're intending to use these models for a long time. Get ready for the same models on the new Switch games. Possibly the 30-40 new Pokémon they add (15 of which will be legendaries) will have nice models though.
Eelektross looks a thousand times better in 3D and anyone who thinks otherwise has a brain parasite.
I'm fine with them just polishing the animations and making the colors more vibrant
>>37551229Huh, that's weird. I wonder why it's never found in the water then.But still, it even says it crawls on its arms.>>37551231Yes, of course they're reusing the models, but that doesn't mean they have to reuse the animations. 3D animation is much simpler than 2D animation.
>>37550953I agree, but the amount of effort they would have to exert to do 3D sprites well is more than what they're probably willing to.
The more detailed the models the more obvious the lack of work put into everything else.This is why sprites were so good. The combat was kept abstract.
>>37550995Even with countless bad ones indie games are still on average better than pokemon lmao
>>37550953>should we put in effort and improve upon what we have?>no just take things away lolCongratulations, Anon! You'd be a perfect fit with the rest of GameFreak.
>>37550953animated sprites were kino but come on, they've made over 800 3D models to use. they just need to sort out the washed out colors>>37550990also this
>>37551259this. I wouldn't have mind a bunch of animated stickers as long as they put some effort on the mechanics and the gameplayKalos and Alola are a complete waste of potential
Hmm..what about instead of pixel sprites or models, they just like, draw the pokemon in a pretty artstyle?
>>37551259So the solution is to regress, instead of putting work into everything else?
>>37551282If is that what you took from that anon argument; it means that you are thinking mediocrely, and you are also being mediocre
>>37551282I don't think I've expressed myself correctly.With 3D models, two massive problems appear:1. How static and lifeless the models are, a.k.a. "soulless" meme.2. How static and lifeless the battles are, a.k.a. "soulless" meme.The amount of work required to make these Pokémon (over 800 of them) and battles (don't know how many combinations of fights there are) full of life (and thus genuinely an improvement over sprites) would be gargantuan. As in, "don't fucking expect it from the makers of Pokemon: Let's go!".Going back to sprites is objectively:1. The fastest solution.2. The cheapest solution.3. The realistic solution.Again, not because I'm saying "Game Freak is lazy, never going to happen". Rather, because Game Freak is not only lazy, but the amount of work it would require them to do would dwarf pretty much every videogame ever made.
>>37551282>sprite>regressSo, I guess Project Octopath and Dragon Quest are bad games and will never sell wellNice argument anon?
>>37551294>Regress: return to a former or less developed stateImagine unironically being a retard
>>37551282>>37551314For instance, look at this battle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDAMpM5hyE8It looks so lazy and while I have no doubt GameFreak could make it look good, this is just one battle of a myriad battles that can possibly happen. 3D, realistic models demand realistic battles, not this abstract shit that looks awful in 3D but wonderful in 2D sprites.
>>37551344>but wonderful in 2D sprites2D sprite battles never looked better than 3D. It's just your nostalgia-filled brain doing the talking.
3D can be good. Idk about you guys but I loved the 3D animations on those old 3D spinoffs like Stadium or Revolution. But the animations in gen 6-7 really does feel so soulless compared to those old 3D games.I suppose in their defense Stadium was a game pretty much consisting of only battling so without stuff like plot or a world to explore they can push all the resources to the animations, while subsequent 3D games like XDDDD or Colosseum mostly recycle animations from Stadium so they don't need to put much effort.
>>37550953Pixel art will never come backAccept it
OP here, i should clarify what i meant. I think that the Gen 5 sprites were the best in the series, they were very colorful and had good animation for all 500 pokemon. The 3D models are of course less colorful and look worse on the 3Ds and even on the switch (but thats because LGPE were rushed garbage).Now even if the modles were given more saturation and were citrus effect, they are very stilted only doing a slight movement, or with flying types just flapping their wings.I would be fine with 3D models if they were given the love in Colosseum or stadium but gamefreak hasn't shown us that. If they go back to 2D sprites they would, yes be destroying all the work they have done for the last 6 years, but they did the same thing to gen 5.
>>37551060moving sprites were choppy pixely mistakes
>>37550960they are so fucking soulles. The battles really are just dullier.
>>37551344>>37551314You're acting like they'd need to make animation sets for every possible combination of Pokemon fighting or something. All they really need to do is improve the quality and variety of the attack and especially idle animations for each individual Pokemon. You can see it for yourself in that video with how great Blacephelon's animations are.
>>37550953As much as I want them to go back to 2D, they won't do it on the principle that their models are already made and they can be lazy about animating them because they've already got all the absolute necessary animations (idle, idle 2, attack, special attack, injury) and some extras (overworld idle, walk, run, interact, special animations for special attacks for specific 'mons).I just want them to give a damn but this is literally all we're going to get, and you fucking know it.
>>37551344What are these graphics?
>>37551450anon... there are pixel art even in gen 7do you have any living neuron?
>>37551495I mean pixel art of pokemon in battle, not their icons/items
>>37551516Dragon quest 11??seriously, is pokemon the only thing you play pathetic faggot? next time do a little research instead of arguing about something that you don't know, so you won't get btfo so hard
>>37551566Maybe he didn't play the garbage 3DS version
>>37551576and that's relevant becouse?....The game HAS sprites (and like it or not, it was widely received)
>>37551411What does "better" mean? Aesthetically, they look far better.>>37551477>You're acting like they'd need to make animation sets for every possible combination of Pokemon fighting or somethingI do, because otherwise it will still look like shit. What's the point of going 3D if Pokémon will be glorified and uglier 3D renders of 2D's animated sprites?
>it's another thread where we pretend the old models and animations were somehow betteryeah I really loved when Tyranitar bit the enemy by punching it, and I really liked when Noctowl flew by standing in the air
>>37551604>I do, because otherwise it will still look like shit. What's the point of going 3D if Pokémon will be glorified and uglier 3D renders of 2D's animated sprites?Almost no other 3D game works like that though. At most they'll have a slightly different animation for e.g. grabbing a small, medium, or large character but the vast, vast majority of animations are the same regardless of opponent.
>>37551624>and I really liked when Noctowl flew by standing in the air
>>37551653Congratulations, LGPE has animations on par with Colosseum, you got what you wanted
>>37551653wow that game it's absolute shit
>>37551604>I do, because otherwise it will still look like shit.no other game does that though
>>37550953This threads always show static models. Plot Twist: It Moves.
Spritefags are so obnoxious.
>>37551934t. 3D fag btfobutthurt anon?
>>37551229haha fuck is this thing half-lamprey, half-weathervane, half-Peppered Moray?
>better graphics are bad becuz MUH SOUL"""""""""""""""""""""""Soul""""""""""""" is not an argument
>>37550953As long as they're intensely fucking good with smooth animations, proper proportions, and great pixel art.
>>37550953Couldn't you hypothetically make 3d models that look like sprites but can be seen from multiple perspectives?
>>37551045>they should make the colors look inaccuratefuck off
I would be okay if we could go back to Pokemon having meaningful content both quality and quantity.
>>37550953I would love a situation like Dragon Quest XI on the 3DS where we have both models and sprites. That way everyone is happy.
>>37552267I'm as autistic about being on-model as the next guy but I don't think it's worth it in this case. Pokemon from gens 1-4 or so look very dull in their models because they used softer colors in their art until then. Combine that with the shit animations and they just don't look good.Now they use a lot more colorful art, probably to accommodate the models, so gen 6+ doesn't really have that problem.
>>37552267reaching this hard takes some serious effort on your part, wouldn't it have just been easier to engage the actual point like an intelligent person instead?
Oh man I never knew I wanted 2D hand drawn pokemon battles until now.
>>37552267inaccurate to what?
>>37552051I like sprites as well, but GF is not going back to them.
>>37551470>confusing models to animation
>>37550953God no. Look at those oversaturated abominations.
>>37552816>confusing models to shaders
>>37551152It's weird because you know they can especially if you look at the overworked and amir animations.
>>37550953100% agree>>37551045it hurts
>>37551045This isn't any better than SM
>>37550964Why do you hate this wiggly boy so much? I think it's much better than its hopping "bipedal" animation.
>>37551012>wanting long load screens rather than just being able to quickly and effectively get into the gameI hope you meant you're registering yourself.
>>37550987What pisses me off about this board is that good posts like this will be completely ignored. Anon, I saw your post and I agree with you.
I swear /vp/ mostly consists of nostalgiatards. Anyone can agree that?
>>37550964reminds me of that video of the two boys fucking that fish
>>37553772/vp/ is infested with retards of all kinds, not just nostalgiatards. It's honestly a good thing this containment board exists, the people here are arguably just as bad, if not worse, than the people on /v/.
>>37550953Never gonna happen.Modern kids think sprites are old and ugly.
>>37550953the models aren't so bad, just look at ga-olé
>>37550998I just don't get why they didn't incorporate some bolts into the design instead of a dozen more nuts.
>>37553772Nope. It consists of Sinnohfetuses.
>>37554652I assumed it was meant to be a bunch of Meltan that merged together, like Magneton, Dugtrio, etc.
>>37551566no I don't play japanese only games since I can't read it
>>37553507are you blind? There's more animation there than in SM were Umbreon's model would just bounce up without actually moving its limbs.
2D purists should be gassed. They're the most annoying posters in /vp/
>>37553747Not him, but what do you expect? The majority of people here are very young. You think they understand graphics and modeling?
>>37551019No its not
>>37551045There really is no excuse for battles to not look like this for the next game
Literally just up the saturation and make some idle animations less awkward and it's golden. They're not gonna go back to sprites
>there are people that think gen 5's animations are good