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*kills pokemania*
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>>37550015
oops wrong pic

Rehashing the Bike plot was so fucking dumb, it's what really made people realize Pokemon is going in circles
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whoops wrong image
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The best generation
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>>37550029

Even good art cant save these nugen digimons
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>>37550015
It was dead before then.

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/08/14/why-ruby-and-sapphire-were-the-most-challenging-pokemon-to-make.aspx

>The main problem with the game wasn't the technical side, but rather the general opinion surrounding the franchise in the early 2000s. "After Gold and Silver came out, it was a huge hit around the world, but shortly after everyone was saying, 'That’s it. The Pokémon fad is over! It’s dead!'," Masuda says. The games were meant to be the starting line for the next few Pokémon games. "It was a very stressful project, for sure," Masuda says. "When we were first developing it, I had the idea in mind that it would be Ruby and Sapphire, and then the next games, including the titles, would be Diamond and Pearl, and in between we would do the remakes, FireRed and LeafGreen, so we could create this structure where you could take the Pokémon from the Kanto region to the Diamond and Pearl games."

The whole "Pokemon is dead!" attitude was a big challenge for Masuda during Gen 3's development.
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>>37550033
Are you blind?
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>>37550029
sauce? the art's really nice
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>>37550015
The sad thing is babies that don’t know any better praise this garbage just because was their first.

R/S were the beginning of the end for Pokémon. Started the awful trend of just removing features because Masuda is a trash director. They necessitated R/B being remade because they couldn’t find a way to connect to the GB for people to get their old Pokémon onto the GBA. These games brought the awful art style change with them that makes everything look like Disney cartoon that clashed with everything else in the series.

Fuck Hoenn
Fuck zoomers
Fuck masuda
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>>37550026
This is the actual reason PokeMania died alongside Crystal having nonexistent differences to GS in its international release aside from worse Pokemon variety.
They introduced this crazy ass ball at the ass end of the Indigo League, spent the entirety of the Orange Islands leaving people guessing, and when they FINALLY get to Johto, they just discard it as the whole region is nothing but dull, uninspired filler to compensate for the loss of the Celebi Arc AND how small of a region Johto normally is.
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>>37550069
No features were removed in R/S.
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Real Talk: Gen 3 was the casual filter
Pokemania was a fad that only people who stopped at Gen 2 desperately hold onto
The most chad fans stuck around because they weren't shallow normalfags who bandwagon whatever everyone else is hopping onto.
If you weren't a fan from Gens 3-5, you really missed out on some of the absolute best the series has to offer, main games and spinoffs.
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t. Someone who wasn’t alive for Pokemania
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>>37550069
where can i buy that poster?
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>>37550087
Based Brolyposter
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>>37550069
dumb iphone poster
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>>37550083
Anon...

Day and night, anon.
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>>37550114
Wasn't removed. Otherwise, Eevee wouldn't be able to evolve into Espeon or Umbreon.
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>>37550083
Night and day.
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>>37550083
>No features were removed in R/S.
Retard
>No Day/Night cycle
>No time based events
>No post game
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>>37550029
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>>37550122
>no time based events
>What are berries
>what is Mirage Island

>No post game

Completely subjective. There is a ton of side areas to explore that are actually interesting and fun shit to do like the Regi quest.
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>>37550083
>the ability to transfer Pokemon from the previous generation into the current one
>a visible day/night cycle
>game only keeps track of the time, no longer the day of the week
>all Pokemon that couldn't be obtained in RS weren't available until FRLG, Emerald, Colosseum and GoD came around, unlike Gen 2 where all 249 Non-Mythical Pokemon were obtainable as soon as you could use the Time Capsule
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>>37550083
>Soul
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>>37550173
>Mirage Island
Truly a wonderful place. A small rock filled with fucking nothing that almost nobody could even find.
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>>37550087
It killed pokemania because mainstream thought the Gen 3 pokemon “didn’t look like pokemon,” pokemania was already dying down and Gen 3 finished the blow. I didn’t know any other kid in my school with a GBA, but literally everyone had a DS and Diamond/Pearl
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>>37550029
This looks nice. Are there ones for every generation?
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>>37550015
why should I care if it killed Pokemania? what matters most to me is if I like the series. I don't care how many other people like it
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>>37550244
>>37550040
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>>37550244
>pokemania was already dying down

It wasn't dying down, it was already dead because of natural fad decay + the anime being in filler hell due to the GS ball arc getting dropped
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>>37550264
And Crystal being a shit upper version with zero positive differences to make it worth buying if you already bought Gold or Silver, unlike Yellow which had the anime novelty combined with being able to get all three starters without trading or glitching.
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>>37550015
RSE is probably the gen I'm most nostalgic for. When I was a kid obsessed with Pokemon, just having a unique menu sprite for every species was incredible to me - I'd always been disappointed with the generic ones in GSC.

Also holy shit I thought Spoink and Grumpig were Gen 2. Does anyone else think they look like Johto mons?
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*actually killed pokemania*
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>>37550121
>>37550122
>>37550183
The day/night was probably removed because the original GBA screen was fucking awful. A lot of GBA games have increased brightness, purely to compensate for it, so I can definitely understand why they would leave out a feature that makes the game darker. They brought it back in gen 4, because the DS had a backlight, meaning you could play it at night and actually see what the fuck is going on.
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>>37550419
GS didn't kill Pokemania, they kept Pokemania alive.
What DID kill Pokemania was the aforementioned GS Ball bullshit and pic related.
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>>37550419
>Legendaries on the cover
This right here is the moment they fucked up
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>>37550469
What's the problem with that? You've already seen both of them through the anime, so it's not like their existence was a mystery.
Plus they were still tucked away in optional areas that the game only tells you about if you bother speaking to various NPCs.
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>>37550495
>Plus they were still tucked away in optional areas that the game only tells you about if you bother speaking to various NPCs.
I wish all cover legendaries were like this.
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>>37550114
I toss and turn, I keep stressing my mind, mind
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>>37550495
It was the beginning of "THEY LOVE LEGENDARIES"
Now we have a shit ton of them in gen 7.
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>>37550469
No one would buy a game with Meganium or Typhlosion on the cover.
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>>37550555
Gen 7 has the same number as 4 and 5 though.
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>>37550555
"THEY LOVE LEGENDARIES" began when they allowed you to actually capture them in Gen 1 instead of making them elusive superbosses that add an extra layer of mystery and surprise to the world.
There's a reason Mewtwo was the most infamous of all Pokemon on the playground, because of the faggot kids who used a team full of them since it was undeniably the best Pokemon in the game.
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>>37550264
Kids don't know what the hell filler hell is. It's all pokemon to them and Orange Islands was popular and Johto was just the next thing.
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>>37550565
>mon catching game
>not letting you catch mons
naw shits gay and retarded like you
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>>37550565
>legendaries shouldn't be catchable
The way to make legendaries good is to make it so that if you don't use the Master Ball, you have to go through some multi-phase boss fight before you can catch them.
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>>37550015
>>37550029
I will never get what's the appeal with the Gen 3 mons.
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>>37550571
They already did that with Mew, who was impossible to obtain unless you were an incredibly lucky bastard or cheated.
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>>37550561
No. Gen 4 had 14, Gen 5 had 13, Gen 7 has 27. To make it even worse Gen 4 and 5 introduced larger amounts of Pokemon than 7.
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>>37550613
Ultra Beasts aren't legendaries and no amount of autism will change that.
In SM there were multiple available to catch and in USUM you can catch as many as you want.
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>>37550083
Day/night cycle.
Trading with previous generation.
Weekly events.
Appricorns.
Radio.
Customizable room.
The ability to catch both box legendaries in the game.

>>37550118
Nigger, there's a difference between time passage and literal day/night cycle.

>>37550173
>There is a ton of side areas to explore that are actually interesting and fun shit to do like the Regi quest.
It's not post-game content. You can do it before E4 if you so desire.
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>>37550015
>let's stop people from catching them all just so we could sell more games later
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>>37550613
Gen 7 had 12, UBs are officially confirmed not legendary.
Tapus, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Magearna, Marshadow, and Zeraora. 14 if you count Meltan and Melmetal
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>>37550657
If they aren't Legendary, why are they filtered out of the GTS if you choose to filter out Legendary Pokemon?
Why do they have Green Backgrounds in the Alola Pokedex, which are shared by the Type:Null Line and Tapus, who are Legendary Pokemon?
They're sending mixed signals here.
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>>37550669
Because GameFreak.
Fact is that they are officially not legendary, and they lack one of the main traits of legendaries (only one catchable in the wild).
Other Pokemon that break these trends, like Type: Null and Cosmog being able to evolve, are still officially labeled legendary.
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>>37550692
Then are the Legendary Birds no longer Legendary Pokemon? You can capture infinite amounts of them in LGPE.
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>>37550015
It was already dying/dead. Masuda people thought people wouldn't be interested in a third generation when he was making it.
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>>37550698
They're still officially considered legendary Pokemon.
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>>37550452
This. Sonic Advance 3 actually has brightness options for whether you're playing the game on regular GBA or not.
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>>37550716
Then the amount of them you can capture means nothing to defining a Legendary.
The fact is, a Legendary is whatever the flying fuck GameFreak wants it to be, and until they fix the internal coding to reflect the UBs not being considered Legendaries by other sources, people will insist on calling them Legendaries no matter what they say because the internal coding is the ultimate word of god.
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>>37550669
They just are, probably because they're similar in BST to legendaries and coded as sub-legends in the game. When the Pokemon Legendary distribution website was still up, it had a list of legends, including Type: Null and Silvally, but no Ultra Beasts. An official Pokemon.com quiz also has a question that asks "which Pokemon is not a legendary?" and Pheromosa is the answer
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>>37550015
I'm pretty sure fifth grade is what killed it.
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>>37550734
Yeah I distinctly remember people changing their opinion of pokemon to "its gay" or "for babies" once they reached 5th/6th grade. They would rather play mature games like GTA.
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>>37550760
I didn't "grow out" of Pokemon until high school, and HGSS and BW brought me right back in.
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>>37550734
>>37550760
That's just because Pokemon stopped being popular.
My younger brother suddenly started getting picked on for liking Pokemon once it stopped being popular with the same "it's gay/for babies" shit, and he wasn't even 7 yet.
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>>37550015
pokemania was already dying by gen 2
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>>37550767
For me I "outgrew" it near the end of gen 3. But it didn't last because I got hype as fuck for Diamond and Pearl. It was the first game I ever imported to play early, because NA got it before EU.
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>>37550015
i started with red and loved gen 2 and 3

it was terrible diamond that made me drop pokemon for good
gen 4 was when everyone lost interest, i remember it
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>>37550087
You know, I'm not a fan of Gen 3, but it definitely was a massive step-up which arguably created the games we know today (excluding the massive fuckup that came with Gen 6). The GBA-DS Era is arguably the best pokemon generation related to actual videogame content instead of some short-lived fad.
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>>37550791
>It was the first game I ever imported to play early
For me it was White, but I'm American so I imported it from Japan and had to guess my way through the menus with my then-barebones knowledge of moonrunes.
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>>37550827
i started with gen 2 but gen 3 is what caused me to lose interest. played ruby but skipped E/FRLG, DP is what got me and my friends back into Pokemon
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>>37550015
pokemania died in gen 2
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>>37550874
I did that too, same with HGSS. In hindsight I kind of regret it because it made me feel burnt out by the time BW came out in English, and I skipped B2W2 entirely. Came back to them last year and they're now my favorites, but stuff like the dream world is dead.
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>>37550568
There's a difference in how to make fillers. Orange Islands was the good stuff, Johto was just a cluttered mess of filler episodes that didn't even have an importance to the continuity with most filler episodes.
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>>37550628
> Customizable room
What were secret bases if not the ultimate Room customisation ? It also allowed you to fight against your friends' teams which was great
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>>37550899
Pretty much the same. I didn't even end up finishing my imported copy until the game came out in the West and all my friends were playing it.
I actually bought W2 but never played it because I didn't understand the story in 1.
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>>37550253
Yes.
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>>37550015
Pokemania was already fading away prior to the release of RS
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>>37551148
It was those things and the games releasing so late into the DS lifespan that made me not give a fuck at the time. Everyone just wanted Pokemon on the 3DS, especially since it's library was shit for the first few years.
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>>37550244
people actually hated Gen 2 for not being like original
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>>37551154
Where
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>>37550628
>Trading with previous generation.
Pretty meaningless, especially when gen 1 got remade and we got some games that make better use of the gen 2 Pokemon than gen 2 ever did
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>>37551881
Here
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>>37551963
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>>37551989
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>>37552002
I don't think anybody wants gens 6 or 7 so I'll skip those
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>>37550026
>gs ball
I'm still seething to this very day.
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>>37552008
post them faggot
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>>37552165
Don't be mean.
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>>37552193
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>>37550029
>>37551963
>>37551989
>>37552002
>>37552008
>>37552193
>>37552200
These are fucking great anon. Thanks for sharing. Maybe the first 4chan images I will save on my PC.
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>>37551963

A lot of Gen 4 designs are a mess but these starters man. Peak pokemon designs.
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>>37550015
It wouldn't have lasted forever with or without gen 3.

But it does feel almost too coincidental that the game that killed the mania was the one that Satoshi Taijiri wasn't at the helm for.
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>>37552401
how new?
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>>37550070
This is true. The anime has always been the driving force keeping kids interested in the games, so once the anime became shit kids lost interest in it and eventually the games too. Ruby and Sapphire being on a new console and being not compatible with Gens 1 or 2 was the death-knell, but it was already dying by then because the anime stagnated. I genuinely hope somebody got fired for dropping the GS Ball.
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>>37550015
*Kills the fanbase*
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>>37550026
Pretty much, the gen 2 delays and the anime being in filler hell because of that dropped arc caused a lull.
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>>37551135
That anon is also full of shit because you could customise your room in rse too.
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>>37552640
I never saw the first season of the anime to the end, as a kid, I had already watched enough power ranger to recognize a boring narrative structure. this never prevented me from enjoying the games

>>37552673
bases were so much more fun to customize, I totally forgot you could stuff your room with plush (had to check on my clunky rom edit on my phone since my original ruby cart was so far)
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>>37550087
Based Broly
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>>37550087
>gens 4-5
>best the series has to offer
man i started with gen 1 and all i can say is fuck you
everything after gen 3 is anal cancer
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>>37550725
Offtopic, but I have a DS game that let's you adjust the brightness so low, all that shows is pitch blackness.
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Pokemania was dead before RS. It ended after the hype from GS died down. Gen 3 gets way too much hate imo, of course the games aren't perfect but they feature some of the best route design and music in the series, and a depth of content that is just not present in today's games. Secret bases, the two bikes and their exclusive areas, contests, unique forms of evolution (feebas, nincada, clamperl), the secret house, mirage island, Bagon's location in Meteor Falls, Shoal Cave, the sunken ship...I could go on and on. And of course the Emerald Battle Frontier. I was so immersed in those games as a kid, and I still enjoy playing them today. To me, Emerald holds up better than RBY and GSC and is on par with anything released afterwards.
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>>37552857
>thinks the series has been shit for more than 10 years
>still visits vp
Based
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>>37550244
In my school plenty of people had the gba sp, I've never even seen a regular gba in person.
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>>37550040
Fun Fact:
Gen 4 was actually the planned finale of the series.
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>>37550460
>GS didn't kill Pokemania, they kept Pokemania alive.
the massive sales decline from genwun to gen 2 says otherwise. game freak fucked up by having to delay it so many times.
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>>37553056
Ishihara don't agree with your post.
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Hoenn has such a great region imo, but man, the original pokemon from Hoenn are just such trash. So many of them classify as “ball shaped” or “single stage shitmons”
Designs are still pretty decent though, but not as crisp as gen 1 or 2.
>inb4 genwunner comments
Sapphire was my first and favorite Pokemon game, but I genuinely think the dex is trash.
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>>37550023
god she's fat
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>>37553002
>vp
slashes too time consuming on your phone keyboard?
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>>37550015
He best new edition of pokemon and people stopped caring...
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>>37550015
The correct image is here
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>>37550015
I think it has lot of interesting mons and the so called former beta designs from pre-Gen2 release being reworked into Gen3 mons. Of course it also has a bunch of ugly and not so pokemon looking one monsters too, Mightyena, Linoone, Beautifly, Diaper Meditation Kid, Digim- Blaziken, still don't understand how does Shroomish suddenly becomes Breloom, still wondering if Skaloth has bones at all and its stupid looking final form, the whole literal digimon line that is Exploud, Electrike's body shape (is the head like 50% of its body?), fucking Swalot could have been at least a special attacker Muk but dude Slow Frail Mixed Attacker was Hoenn's manifesto for most of its mons, the boring camel, Spinda's huge head announcing the Gen5 and post era starter trend, Cacturne ruining Cacnea, titballs cloud, Tropius still has no tail...the rest is good honestly, Azurill wasn't necessary at all however.
Gen3 also kept the flawless legendary design appeal legacy until Gen 5 happened, the Regis will be forever bullied for their perfection and therefor will never get the buffs they deserve.

I feel the region was "exotic" on purpose even its mons design theme to differenciate itself from the previous two generations.
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>>37550628
apricorns were a johto signature gimmick because of the "traditional" japan theme and handcraft

hoenn had daily events in berries as far as i remember and daily battles with your secret base friends that if anything were somewhat nerfed in oras with pokemon limit and shit but also added extra services to fit the new generations

nobody unironically used the radio, the pokenav and vs seeker were so far the best features from gen 3 and gen 4

>customizable room
>ignoring secret bases on purpose
hmmmmm

I can agree on the day and night cycle but it didn't really impact the game at all.
Would have been nice observing Volbeat and Illumise at night however, or what ORAS offered in the water reflections at night.
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>>37552200
Favorite Dex right here
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>>37550452
Based Super Mario 2 poster
>>37550087
Based Brolyposter

The anime killed pokemania (not that we needed the normies). Does anyone even remember what happened in the Johto arcs? They seem like a complete blur now
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>>37553223
circles feat. bridge crossing simulator
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>>37552193
>>37552200
>no mega evolutions
Based
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>>37553223
There’s shitposting and then there’s just being a dumbass
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*jumps the shark*
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>>37553429
And your post manage to be both
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>>37553515
Not as dumb as that guy
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>>37550029
Not the best. But definitely it's an outstanding generation
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>>37553111
You can pull that up as much as you like but there was a 10m loss of players.
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>>37551963
>>37551989
>>37552002
>>37552008
>>37552193
>>37552200
>>37550029


Anon. I want you to know, that you have an exquisite taste.

Also thanks for sharing
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>>37550045
>Brendan with white hair
I don't know about anon, but that artist was.
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>>37553593
>10m
the number is smaller than this. Do you know how to math?
Also, you're trying to compare 2 games (gold/silver) with 3 (red/blue and green). It's not really fair.
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>>37550033
dumb Amerifat
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>>37552446
Don't see this opinion here very often but I agree completely. Gen 4 is my least favorite batch of new pokemon but the starters are the best in the series, especially torterra. I feel the exact opposite about 6 and 7. Good dexes, bad starters.
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>>37550033
This
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>>37553011
Might as well be. Gen 5 onwards is alright, but feels wholly separated from Gens 1-4
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>>37550015
And then Diamond and Pearl killed the quality of the games. Took two gens to recover from that disaster.
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>>37550628
the RTC in RSE actually counts the number of weeks passed so you could technically count checking the amount of times the rocket's launched in Mossdeep as a weekly event :^)
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>>37550122
Don't forget that RS was the first game with major cuts to the overall dex. The regional dex of GS had all of the first two gens of Pokemon available, or at least present/seen, while Gen 3 made cuts.
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>>37552002
>>37551989
>>37550029
>>37551963
>>37552008
>>37552193
>>37552200
Were these made by Pearlsaurus? The style is quite similar
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>>37554438
at least RSE let you fucking catch all the Pokemon introduced in the Gen before the end-game.
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>>37554472
best improvement over GS imo
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>>37554366
>Took two gens to recover from that disaster.
what?? I agree that DP were a disaster, but HGSS (especially) and Platinum were great.
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>>37553281
>Does anyone even remember what happened in the Johto arcs?
I remember trying to find VHS tapes for those seasons to be hard back in the day, so that probably didn't help.
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>>37554344
>Gen 5 onwards is alright, but feels wholly separated from Gens 1-4
Gen 5 was fine despite being a semi-reboot
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>>37550015
Guys you know those super popular Pokemon everyone is crazy about? What if we made it so it's impossible to get them or trade from the old games?
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>>37553223
Unova's geography is full retard.
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>>37554580
As much as I love gen 5 I have to agree.
That desert makes no fucking sense.
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>>37550015
mixed attacker: the generation
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>>37550015
Good. Pokémania is the shitstorm that bred our current day genwunners and was a festering tumor of normie culture incarnate. Pokémania's the reason that we have LGPE and it's the reason for Game Freak's steep decline. It's a similar situation to Sonic except the original Sonic pentology(or quadrilogy if you wanna count 3 and Knuckles as one game) were good fucking games. The devs' attempts to sell games are driven almost enyirely on nostalgia. Gens 1 and 2 pale in comparison to Gens 3-5 for the simple fact that gens 3-5 brought freshness and tightening to the formula and elevated the games beyond anything the first two games could ever hope to become. Not knocking them entirely, they're fun in their own right for sure, but they lack the depth that I feel brings Pokémon to life. It's like people hate Pokémon at its best, and love it at its worst.
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>>37554651
Sonic 1 was not good.
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>>37550561
Even if that were true, it would just make those gens guilty too is all
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>>37554651
Seething zoomer.
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>>37554661
Yank your head out of your ass and put yourself in the mindset of 1991. The only thing that makes it mediocre now is that the sequels made it look worse in comparison. Sonic 2 and 3 improved on the formula so much that the lack of a spindash and the slow level design of one just works less now that you know there are a lot better ways to use the mechanics.
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>>37554684
it was shit in 1991 compared to super mario world.
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>>37554684
>Yank your head out of your ass and put yourself in the mindset of 1991.
But I love Super Mario World.
Sonic 1 has shit level design because the director thought it needed slow levels to balance out the fast ones.

>now that you know there are a lot better ways to use the mechanics.
Actually Sonic 1 was the first Sonic I played, barring a tiny bit of one of the GameCube titles when I was a kid, and it was so boring I almost dropped the series.
3&Knuckles and Mania brought me back.
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>>37554671
Yes of course, I'm just mad because I wasn't part of normiefest '99.
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funny how the "overdesigned" gen 3 mons look simple compared to the stuff we have today
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>>37554705
Every gen looks simple next to gen 4 desu.
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>>37550015
Maybe. DPP cross gen evos shit on its corpse, and no contrarian sputtering will change that.
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>>37553216
Is that really the best comeback you have?
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>>37552489
8-9 years I think? I just never save images.
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>>37550023
>Complaining about a running gag being plot
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>>37554661
Yes it was kid
>>37554651
Truth
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>>37550015
>>37550029
>>37550045
Damn, I've been reminded how much I love the Hoenndex.
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>>37553269
>>37551940
Most of the shit you wrote is missing the point completely.
>Pretty meaningless, especially when [...]
Trading with previous gen was still a cut feature which had two negative consequences. First being inability to complete the Pokedex (which LATER got fixed). Second being inability to use your old teammates in a new region.
>apricorns were a johto signature gimmick
There was no "signature gimmick" when RS came out. Only after some time, people started seeing the pattern of switching some features for others and calling it "unique element of the region". And cut feature is still cut.
>hoenn had daily events
Cool but I didn't mention daily events in my post. Weekly events are not present in RS.
>nobody unironically used the radio, the pokenav and vs seeker were so far the best features from gen 3 and gen 4
Your opinion doesn't change the fact that the feature was omitted.

>>37551135
>>37553269
>customizable room
My bad. I forgot about bases when I was writing my post.
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>>37551135
This, we should be pissed at DPPt for removing secret bases and replacing with the shitty underground.
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>>37550040
Rube and Saphire saved pokemon in it's darkest hour
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>>37550029
this is great
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>>37550015
Pokemania lasted 8 months.
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>>37554651
>freshness and tightening to the formula and elevated the games

That's what Gen 2 did and why everyone is fond of those games.



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