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>designs a pokemon using the gen 1 design philosophy
>its garbage that looks like it was made by a toddler or a post modernist faggot
what did gamefreak mean by this?
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>>37547630
I thoroughly keep forgetting this duo is a thing. I dont get it either.
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how in the living fuckage is this gen 1 design philosophy
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>>37547643
gamefreak themselves said meltan was intended to look like a gen 1 mon so normies don't get offended
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>>37547630
>designs a pokemon using the gen 1 design philosophy
Not really seeing it. Nothing overtly gen 1 about these two.
Not that I can properly quantify any generations design philosophy.
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>>37547630
That most gen 1 designs are looking like it was made by a toddler or a post modernist faggot
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>>37547630
>gen 1 design philosophy
>no toriyama eyes
>no dinosaur bits
>no random cat ears
>no clothing
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>gen 1

Nah. If anything, it reflects the horrific Gen V design philosophy.
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>>37547650
Its funny because normies despise this thing more than most new Pokémon
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>>37547677
That’s the thing
Gen V was also trying to mimic gen 1
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>>37547677
>b-but gen 5!
the absolute STATE of genwunners
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>>37547630
melmetan doesnt look that bad

but the nutshoulders feel too much
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>>37547700
>melmetan doesnt look that bad
its just meltan but bigger
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>>37547630
It looks NOTHING like a Gen1 design. Gen 1 was about shit looking organic and natural. That thing couldn't look any more manufactured if they tried.
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>>37547718
It looks like a ditto that's gone nuts
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>>37547718
>Gen 1 was about shit looking organic and natural.
gen 1 literally has robots, clones and a digimon in its dex
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>>37547718
One of the starters has guns that look completely artificial and slapped on.
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>>37547718
Literally the opposite, Gen 1 is industrial-themed
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>>37547756
they didn't even bother making them look like they're made of bone or flesh
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>>37547630
I actually like its evolved form and am pissed that it: 1) is tied to fucking Go, and 2) requires candies that you can only get through gacha horseshit to evolve it at all.
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>>37547677
>no no no no it's nothing like my favorite generation, genwun, it's much more like this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>37547630
>post modernist faggot
Nyeheheheheh Jeez Lois, Jordan Bederson is freakin' sweet!
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>>37547879
Honestly, it doesn't look like it's from ANY prior gen. The least of all Gens 1 and 2. I could maybe, just barely see it being a Gen 5 or 6 legendary, but even that is a stretch to be honest. It doesn't even look like an ultra beast ffs.
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>>37547677
RENT FREE
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>>37547630
They forgot what makes a Gen 1 look like a Gen 1.
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>>37547630
>gen 1 design philosophy
this honestly looks like an UB, Gen 1 is mainly characterized by Kaiju and Toku, even silly objectmon look lik stuff from old toku shows
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>>37547630
It looks exactly like a Gen 1 Digimon
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>>37547960
>Seth Mcfarlane's Meltan
cursed
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>>37547980
no it doesn't, kill yourself retarded pokefag
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>>37547677
The state of unova detractors. It’s just fucking legs
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>>37547960
>Holy crap lois, this reminds me of that time I met meltan!
>*cutaway*
>*knock knock knock*
>Who could that be?
>hey it's me meltan
>HOLY CRAP LOIS!
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>>37547700
the shoulders are in line with the feet and fists, but the elbow ones look dumb.
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>>37547630
a dozen nuts is far too many, no gen 1 pokemon would repeat a design element that many times
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>>37547630
Except it looks nothing like a gen 1 Pokemon.
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>>37547643
>>37547718
They just got Magnemite and replaced the three objects that make it up (metal ball, magnets, screws) with different objects (mercury, hex nut, wires)
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>>37548102
Dunno why I made this
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it would be gen 1 if it has no stupid tail and white of the eye
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If it was actually made with gen 1 design philosophies it would look more like this.
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>>37547630
I fixed your shitty design GF, no need to thank me.
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>>37548160
why not turn all the nuts gold?
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>>37547630
It's actualy a first pokemon to be designed with 3D modeling in thought.
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>>37547758
This, environmentalism influences a lot of gen 1
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>>37548095
How would you draw a blob of mercury?
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>>37548232
not him but maybe not like it has arms? giving it arms takes away from the fact that its mercury
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>>37548232
by not giving it perfectly shaped stubby cute arms for one
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>>37548244
>>37548255
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>>37548267
thanks for posting an example of why gen 1 pokemon look like gen 1 pokemon anon. See how parts of its right arm are drooping instead of being a perfect shape? Notice how it has uneven darker waves inside its body instead of being a uniform color? See how its entire body is wavy instead of being completely smooth?

this is why meltan doesn't resemble a gen 1 Pokemon. It focuses too much on being cute instead of looking like something natural.
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>>37548275
That's because it's mud.
Mercury is smooth, homogeneous in color, etc.
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>>37548288
This isn't perfectly smooth.
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>>37547630
>Melmetal
>garbage
Away with your shit taste.
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>>37548309
Well, that is being poured.
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>>37548316
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>>37548316
because it isn't stationary. Meltan isn't stationary.
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>>37548316
Meltan should've been floating droplets of mercury instead and its evolution should've been some blobly eldritch horror with metal scraps for nuts for eyes, metal scraps for teeth, wires for fingers etc
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>>37548321
>>37548323
ANother question is: why do steel pokemon (or rock types) have to be made of that material?
Water pokemon are not made of water.
Electric pokemon are not made of lightning.
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>>37548328
Durant and Escavalier just wear armor, Jirachi and Dialga don't seem to be made of any sort of metal
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>>37548342
Now name the water pokemon that are exceptions in that they aren't made of water.
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>>37548344
its easier to make fictional creatures that inhabit water than ones who inhabit steel
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>>37547650
Source? I've gotta see this for myself, I refuse to believe they're this incompetent.
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>>37548342
>Dialga
Are you stupid?
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Somebody try drawing it in a Gen 1 style. I can see the philosphy point, but it'll never fit in with Gen 1 using the modern stylisations.
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>>37548328
It’s a type that is defense focused
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>>37547630
>gen 1 design philosophy
not seeing it, if it was a genwun 'mon it would have the toriyama eyes that 'mons like voltorb and haunter have
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>>37549113
at most you can argue it wears armor but so do Palkia and Giratina
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>>37549135
>>37547960
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>>37547630
Looks like gen 4 to me.
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>>37549149
Why would it have those?
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>>37548232
Replace the flying saucer with a nut.
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>>37548095
This is retarded, Meltan's components are just as realistically drawn as Magnemite's.
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>>37547630
The thing it most reminds me of is the final boss of Pikmin 3.
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>>37547650
>>37549111
Not the latter anon, but I'm also waiting on that source
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>>37549483
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-lets-go-pikachu-eevee-update-pokemon-yellow-fo/1100-6462538/
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>>37547630
And its fits the bill.
>Object with eye
>Evolution is a combination of multiple of them
>Completely derivative of concepts they already did (magnemite, grimmer)
Literally the living proof that when you are retarded nostalgiafag nothing can please you, they made a metallic ditto with a pikachu tail and you'd still try to deny it looks like a gen 1 pokemon.
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>>37549501
damn, they were really retarded enough to think these could pass as gen 1 designs? no wonder this series has been going downhill, the people running it don't even understand their own series.
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>>37547630
Reginut
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when applying gen 1 spriting techniques it doesnt look that out of place to be honest.
Maybe you're all just thinking too hard about this.
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>>37547630
They apparently work well enough that nostalgiafags at the very least tolerate their existence.
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>>37549623
It still looks out of place
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What's wrong with post-modernism?
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>>37549623
this looks way out of place, although i'd argue that's partially because this sprite feels very obviously fanmade to me
still, the design obviously doesn't fit
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>>37549678
I tried my best to include gen 1 jank if that makes sense. I just like Meltan/melmetal, i think they're among the better recent 'mon designs overall.
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>>37547672
I guess Starmie is no longer a Gen 1 pokémon...
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>>37547718
>Gen 1 was about shit looking organic and natural
A massive retard is what you are.
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>>37548215
Because is boring
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>>37549688
Starmie is 2 starfish on top of eachother that spins and randomly has a gemstone on the middle of it. It's design choice is weird and random but somehow it looks amazing.
How did Starmie do it?
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>>37549501
It's very interesting to me that when Game Freak talks about Gen 1 design philosophies, they always focus on the very simple designs. Things like Magnemite and Ditto. This what they associate as being primarily a gen 1 thing.
All while western genwunners associate gen 1 with the detailed beasts and kaijus like Arcanine and Nidoking.

It's particulalry interesting that Masuda refers to modern designs as being less basic than the older ones, despite all those comparisons that get spammed here about how modern pokemon are MORE basic than their predecessors.
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>>37549760
To me it speaks about concept vs execution. Japan seems to be a lot more about the former, while the West sees the latter. I'd definitely say modern designs are more complex conceptually but much less complex visually, for example.
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>>37549760
All I’m seeing is Masuda is out of touch with what people actually like.
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>>37549734
Ignoring everything that defines Gen 1 (according to genwunners)
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>>37549774
Are you saying people don't like Magnemite or Ditto?
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>>37549501
Based sourceanon btfo'd genwunners.
Now they are all "hurr durr but they are retarded it's nothing alike!!"
Meltan and melmetal are based on gen1 design so shut the fuck up it's like a gen1 pokémon, everything you believed before it was just cherrypicking. Topkek
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>>37549760
Remember back in gen 4 when the argument was that modern designs were overdone?
Seems to be what Masuda is talking about.
Seems like gen 6 and 7 have made an effort to simplify designs as much as possible, mega evos and alola forms notwithstanding.
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>>37549760
This problem stems from retards thinking an entire gen has a uniform aesthetic.
People asking for more "gen 1 styled" pokemon sure as hell aren't asking for things like Jynx, Magneton, Diglett, or Exeggutor.
If you want Kaiju pokemon ask for Kaiju pokemon. Even if there's like 7 Kaiju pokemon in gen 1 that's still less than 5% of the Pokedex.
People cherry pick their favorites and pretend that those few pokemon represent all 151 pokemon that make up gen 1.
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>>37549182
it may have something to do with the fact that it's meant to look like it's from genwun, and most kanto 'mon have toriyama eyes
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>>37549820
Magnemite exists.
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>>37547630
It looks very gen 4
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>>37549827
keyword: most. a lot of kanto pokemon have toriyama eyes, making it a common theme
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>>37547630
I want, more than anything, for them to go back to gen 1 and 2 art style.
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>>37549937
sugimori's early art is kino
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>>37549934
A lot of kantomons have the "white circle, tiny dot" eyes too. Seems to be what Meltan's "face" is alluding to.
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>>37549956
true, i'd say meltan looks like it could be from kanto, but melmetal looks like a sinnoh or unova 'mon, what with all the nuts being black
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>>37549977
Melmetal definitely looks more like a gen 4 evo to a gen 1 mon.
Which I hope was intentional, because that's kind of clever.
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>>37549937
I really miss fat pikachu
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>>37549937
If there's one thing I'll give the "Gen 1 did it better" crowd, it's this. The older art for mons was so much more lively and expressive compared to the newer style they've taken to.
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>>37550103
>The older art for mons was so much more lively and expressive compared to the newer style they've taken to.
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>>37547677
what did he mean by this?...
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>>37549674
Everything go ask /pol/ dont take the bait in this thread
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>>37549208
You’re completely right, Meltan just has fewer components. Everyone takes the piss on normie genwunners while ignoring their own illogical bias.
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>>37547630
They should have given meltan a different body otherwise its a good design
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>>37547960
ngl this is pretty good
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>>37549937
it doesn't matter how much you want to crawl back to nostalgia. That won't ever happen again. The company has changed

They can try to shove up the ass as many Kanto remakes, watercolor (washed 3D models) and references as much as they want, but I'll never bring back the first gen and the first game as it was

gotta learn to m o v e o n
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>>37547643
To be fair a lot of Gen 1 shit looks like shit conjured up by a first grader.

>Ditto
>Oddish
>Bellsprout
>Weepinbell
>Rattata
>Eggexcute
>Magnemite
>Voltorb
>Electrode
>Grimer
>Muk
>Krabby
>Eevee
>Ponyta
>Rapidash
>Geodude
>Goldeen
>Caterpie
>Metapod
>Weedle
>Squirtle
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>>37551478
Gen 1 designs are pretty boring, meltan fits in well
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>>37547630
it literally looks like a ben 10 alien
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>>37549208
>perfectly smooth stubby cute arms

Nope.
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>>37549819
>uniform aesthetic
They do, as they were drawn by someone else. You know how certain artists have certain style about their art that makes it distinguishable? Same concept applies here. Generation 1 stands out for this reason.
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>>37549208
Magnemite actually has ridges visible on its screws while Meltan doesn't have the same visible inside its nut so nope. They just drew a line and called it a day.
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>>37551828
Because it's pretty different drawing threads on a screw and inside a nut, it depends from the dimensions you want to give to the object and the perspective. If you give more lines inside the nut it will be a mess and less "cute" and "simple" as they wanted to show. Indeed melmetal has more lines inside its bellynut.
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>>37551828
Are you blind? The ridges are right there, literally modeled in.
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>>37551478
Almost every pokemon looks like it was designed by a 1st grader. Gen 1 actually probably has the most mature designs of any gen.
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HOW DARE THIS THING EXIST REE

Grow the fuck up, might as well just remove Ditto too.
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>>37553229
>Gen 1 actually probably has the most mature designs of any gen.
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>>37553229
LOL
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>>37553229
It sure does.
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>>37553229
>Gen 1 actually probably has the most mature designs of any gen.
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>>37553229
Congratulations anon, you win this thread!
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>>37553229
>actually probably
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>>37553229
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>>37553256
>>37553293
>>37553301
>>37553337
>>37553343
>>37553384
Sometimes I forget /vp/ is unironically the most underage board
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>>37553404
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>>37553404
Why the fuck are you calling any Pokemon design mature?
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>>37547630
>muh post modern boogieman
all Pokémon are postmodern by definition you dipshit. read even a single book instead of getting all your political/philosophical assumptions from youtube
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>>37553419
I said "most mature" you comprehensionlet
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>>37553457
>mature designs
>on a children's video game
What did he mean by this?
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Its cool and all, but it's just more gimmick than mythical
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>>37553457
very mature
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>>37553464
The numbers 1, 2 and 3 are all small numbers, but one of them is still the "most high" number out of the three, even though none of them is actually very high at all. Do you get it now?
>>37553513
Explain to me what you think the word "mature" means
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>>37553536
Still, why you think there needs to be a "mature" design? So you can feel more comfortable playing and liking it as an adult?
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>>37553550
The more mature something is the more depth it has. Gen 1 was a good level of maturity, and then it slowly became flanderized until most of it just started to look plastic and shiny with an emphasis on things being cute and toy-like rather than interesting or cool. It went from creatures being tailored to the environment they lived in to just fitting whatever roles they needed to balance out the game.
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>>37553574
Very few gen 1 designs have any depth. Most of them have no concept that goes beyond their basic appearance.
Exceptions I can think of are Mew for resembling a fetus, and the concept behind Magikarp and Gyarados. But that's all pretty standard compared to modern designs, which are practically expected to have multiple inspirations each, or an underlying theme to an evolutionary line.
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>>37547650
Ah yes, because what defines Gen 1 is the 4 (out of 151) objectmon it comprised...
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>>37549786
Compared to Charizard or Lapras?
Face it, many people may tolerate them, but only a few contrarian faggots really love objectmon...
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>>37553574
there's nothing "deep" about genwun. most of the kanto dex is either boring ripoffs of other franchises, generic kaijuu, or ugly shitmons. very few of them don't clash with the rest of the franchise.
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>>37551817
Gen 1 and Gen 2 were drawn at the same moment.
It's with Gen 3 that the style changed (and it was very noticable for people who had played the first two gens when Gen 3 games came out).
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>>37553641
Compared to the majority of gen 1?
Yeah, Ditto and Magnemite are on the popular end.
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>>37553641
I like some objectmon (litwick's evo line for example) but not all of them. Am I a faggot?
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>>37553623
>>37553653
I don't mean just the designs for the pokemon, I mean the whole thing. The idea used to be, "what does this area of the world look like? OK, now what sort of creatures would live in an area like this?". Now it's more like "oh we haven't done a grass/electric type yet? Well let's just make one and we'll find a place to throw it in later". Depth comes from everything interacting, not just how deep each individual pokemon design is.
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>>37553702
You know nothing of what you're talking about.
We know from interviews that Game Freak randomly designed the pokemon before they even considered what the pokemon world would look like or how they'd interact with it and each other.
If anything, modern designs are the ones that take these thoughts into account, which is how concepts like Alola forms come about.
You couldn't be more blinded by nostalgia.
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>>37553755
Satoshi created pokemon based on his hobby of insect collecting. He probably had these ideas in his head long before he even came up with the idea for pokemon. Just because they brainstormed ideas about designs doesn't mean they didn't have the bigger picture in mind at the same time. You can tell that they did by the aesthetic of the game. The world is based on real life.
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>>37553843
>Just because they brainstormed ideas about designs doesn't mean they didn't have the bigger picture in mind at the same time.
They literally didn't. They have admitted this several. Kanto is the least fantastical region because they had no vision for the pokemon world, since they didn't expect the game to take off like it did.
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>>37553987
The world is just based on the real world, and the pokemon reflect that.
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I love when genwunners just find the most outlandish reasons to explain why gen 1 designs are gospel
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>>37555342
>outlandish

lol
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>>37555349
outlandish, cherrypicked, outright dumb

pick your poison really.

there's nothing wrong with being nostalgic just don't let the rose tinted glasses blind you
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>>37555365
>cherrypicked,

lol
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>>37555371
because as we all know we could see all those details on this gray brick.

WAIT DON'T LEAVE!!!!!
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>>37548160
Improvement
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>>37555371
The Grubbin and Vikavolt comparisons are just stupid. Weedle is literally made out of circles and Vikavolt has a much more complex body than Beedril.
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>>37549501
>He definitely probably
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>>37549937
Prefereably without the white splotches everywhere.
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>>37555405
OK and what about the other 16 examples
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>>37555405
OH NO NO NO NO
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>>37555554
>I point out 2 bad examples
>You start talking about the other ones I didn't even mention
ok dumdum

>>37555564
>I say body
>You post legs
ok dumdum
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>>37555371
>this pic again
We have this shit everytime, and everytime the one who posts this get btfo so hard. Just look at the previous thread about this. Lol
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>>37553627
>Expecting Game Freak to understand anything about their own series
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>>37555587
>>I point out 2 bad examples
>>You start talking about the other ones I didn't even mention
No shit, you pickoming out 2 out of 17 examples is called cherrypicking
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>>37555371
>>37555349
mmm yaaaaaas 'murica
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>>37556052
>using current gen art style to describe gen 1
Interesting
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>>37553229
>mature designs
Oh I'm laffin.
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>genwunners going full damage control
truly a beautiful sight
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>>37547630
>designs a pokemon using the gen 1 design philosophy
>its type didnt even exist in gen 1
BRAVO GAMEFREAK
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>>37556052
This is gold.
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>>37556052
Gen 6 and 7 are all fucking shit. Fuck off zoomer
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>>37556162
When you're done laughing try learning how to read
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>>37555349
>pretty much a regular horse
and why is this a good thing?
>cartoony animu eyes
it's okay when it's toriyama's cartoony animu eyes.
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>>37556691
>mature designs
The laughter isn't stopping any time soon.
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>>37547630
>post modernist faggot
Are you fucking retarded? That's not what postmodernism is. Also, 4chan was founded on post-modern values, so fuck off to where you came from.
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>>37553229
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>>37555564
This were indeed be a good argument, if Beedrill weren't the ONLY bug type to have weirdly detailed legs like hat.
Not even Venomoth's legs are that detailed, and Venomoth is literally my mom's moth.
Beedrill is the odd man out here, not Vikavolt.
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>>37553699
No, that's pretty common. As someone else pointed out, pokemon like Chandelure being popular destroys the narrative of "people just don't like Vanilluxe or Garbodor because of nostalgia."
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>>37547630
They look like Gen 3~5
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>>37557594
People hating Vanilluxe and Garbodor is a narrative in itself. Most don't mind them, and those that keep bringing them up are the vocal minority that shit on gen 5 in general.
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>>37549817
the funny thing on this meme is that gen 4 charizard looks better in every way compared to the original
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>>37556052
lol
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>>37558333
>he replied
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>>37558462
lol
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>>37558478
>Crogunk
>Tormoal
>Torterra
>Manibuzz
>Infernape
>Stoundland the most my mom's pokemon
>Cartoony
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>>37557730
Nah. It’s the embodiment of a try-hard design
The simplicity of the actual design gives it much wider appeal
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>>37558574
I don't entirely agree.
I think Charizard would look better with darker inner-wings and the cream underside extending up to its jaw like its mega forms.
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Like how some people view that nu-Gen Pokémon are only objectmons, Game Freak does the same thing to Gen 1
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>>37558640
I only agree with the belly being connected with the lower jaw(however, the megas would feel less impressive for recycling that design element)

Why would it need black wings? Aren’t the wings blue because the skies are associated with blue?
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>>37548067
BASED
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>>37556052
Holy fucking BTFO
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>>37548157
So it would look even more shitty. Good to know.
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>>37553229
Creationism and attempts at creating a false god are child's play, then.
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>>37547630
meltan probably came about when someone had a 3d hexagon model and used the sculpt tool to pull bits of it down
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>>37558333
Holy fucking BTFO



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