>designs a pokemon using the gen 1 design philosophy>its garbage that looks like it was made by a toddler or a post modernist faggotwhat did gamefreak mean by this?
>>37547630I thoroughly keep forgetting this duo is a thing. I dont get it either.
how in the living fuckage is this gen 1 design philosophy
>>37547643gamefreak themselves said meltan was intended to look like a gen 1 mon so normies don't get offended
>>37547630>designs a pokemon using the gen 1 design philosophyNot really seeing it. Nothing overtly gen 1 about these two.Not that I can properly quantify any generations design philosophy.
>>37547630That most gen 1 designs are looking like it was made by a toddler or a post modernist faggot
>>37547630>gen 1 design philosophy>no toriyama eyes>no dinosaur bits>no random cat ears>no clothing
>gen 1Nah. If anything, it reflects the horrific Gen V design philosophy.
>>37547650Its funny because normies despise this thing more than most new Pokémon
>>37547677That’s the thingGen V was also trying to mimic gen 1
>>37547677>b-but gen 5!the absolute STATE of genwunners
>>37547630melmetan doesnt look that badbut the nutshoulders feel too much
>>37547700>melmetan doesnt look that badits just meltan but bigger
>>37547630It looks NOTHING like a Gen1 design. Gen 1 was about shit looking organic and natural. That thing couldn't look any more manufactured if they tried.
>>37547718It looks like a ditto that's gone nuts
>>37547718>Gen 1 was about shit looking organic and natural.gen 1 literally has robots, clones and a digimon in its dex
>>37547718One of the starters has guns that look completely artificial and slapped on.
>>37547718Literally the opposite, Gen 1 is industrial-themed
>>37547756they didn't even bother making them look like they're made of bone or flesh
>>37547630I actually like its evolved form and am pissed that it: 1) is tied to fucking Go, and 2) requires candies that you can only get through gacha horseshit to evolve it at all.
>>37547677>no no no no it's nothing like my favorite generation, genwun, it's much more like this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>37547630>post modernist faggotNyeheheheheh Jeez Lois, Jordan Bederson is freakin' sweet!
>>37547879Honestly, it doesn't look like it's from ANY prior gen. The least of all Gens 1 and 2. I could maybe, just barely see it being a Gen 5 or 6 legendary, but even that is a stretch to be honest. It doesn't even look like an ultra beast ffs.
>>37547630They forgot what makes a Gen 1 look like a Gen 1.
>>37547630>gen 1 design philosophythis honestly looks like an UB, Gen 1 is mainly characterized by Kaiju and Toku, even silly objectmon look lik stuff from old toku shows
>>37547630It looks exactly like a Gen 1 Digimon
>>37547960>Seth Mcfarlane's Meltancursed
>>37547980no it doesn't, kill yourself retarded pokefag
>>37547677The state of unova detractors. It’s just fucking legs
>>37547960>Holy crap lois, this reminds me of that time I met meltan!>*cutaway*>*knock knock knock*>Who could that be?>hey it's me meltan>HOLY CRAP LOIS!
>>37547700the shoulders are in line with the feet and fists, but the elbow ones look dumb.
>>37547630a dozen nuts is far too many, no gen 1 pokemon would repeat a design element that many times
>>37547630Except it looks nothing like a gen 1 Pokemon.
>>37547643>>37547718They just got Magnemite and replaced the three objects that make it up (metal ball, magnets, screws) with different objects (mercury, hex nut, wires)
>>37548102Dunno why I made this
it would be gen 1 if it has no stupid tail and white of the eye
If it was actually made with gen 1 design philosophies it would look more like this.
>>37547630I fixed your shitty design GF, no need to thank me.
>>37548160why not turn all the nuts gold?
>>37547630It's actualy a first pokemon to be designed with 3D modeling in thought.
>>37547758This, environmentalism influences a lot of gen 1
>>37548095How would you draw a blob of mercury?
>>37548232not him but maybe not like it has arms? giving it arms takes away from the fact that its mercury
>>37548232by not giving it perfectly shaped stubby cute arms for one
>>37548267thanks for posting an example of why gen 1 pokemon look like gen 1 pokemon anon. See how parts of its right arm are drooping instead of being a perfect shape? Notice how it has uneven darker waves inside its body instead of being a uniform color? See how its entire body is wavy instead of being completely smooth? this is why meltan doesn't resemble a gen 1 Pokemon. It focuses too much on being cute instead of looking like something natural.
>>37548275That's because it's mud.Mercury is smooth, homogeneous in color, etc.
>>37548288This isn't perfectly smooth.
>>37547630>Melmetal>garbageAway with your shit taste.
>>37548309Well, that is being poured.
>>37548316because it isn't stationary. Meltan isn't stationary.
>>37548316Meltan should've been floating droplets of mercury instead and its evolution should've been some blobly eldritch horror with metal scraps for nuts for eyes, metal scraps for teeth, wires for fingers etc
>>37548321>>37548323ANother question is: why do steel pokemon (or rock types) have to be made of that material?Water pokemon are not made of water.Electric pokemon are not made of lightning.
>>37548328Durant and Escavalier just wear armor, Jirachi and Dialga don't seem to be made of any sort of metal
>>37548342Now name the water pokemon that are exceptions in that they aren't made of water.
>>37548344its easier to make fictional creatures that inhabit water than ones who inhabit steel
>>37547650Source? I've gotta see this for myself, I refuse to believe they're this incompetent.
>>37548342>DialgaAre you stupid?
Somebody try drawing it in a Gen 1 style. I can see the philosphy point, but it'll never fit in with Gen 1 using the modern stylisations.
>>37548328It’s a type that is defense focused
>>37547630>gen 1 design philosophynot seeing it, if it was a genwun 'mon it would have the toriyama eyes that 'mons like voltorb and haunter have
>>37549113at most you can argue it wears armor but so do Palkia and Giratina
>>37547630Looks like gen 4 to me.
>>37549149Why would it have those?
>>37548232Replace the flying saucer with a nut.
>>37548095This is retarded, Meltan's components are just as realistically drawn as Magnemite's.
>>37547630The thing it most reminds me of is the final boss of Pikmin 3.
>>37547650>>37549111Not the latter anon, but I'm also waiting on that source
>>37547630And its fits the bill.>Object with eye>Evolution is a combination of multiple of them>Completely derivative of concepts they already did (magnemite, grimmer)Literally the living proof that when you are retarded nostalgiafag nothing can please you, they made a metallic ditto with a pikachu tail and you'd still try to deny it looks like a gen 1 pokemon.
>>37549501damn, they were really retarded enough to think these could pass as gen 1 designs? no wonder this series has been going downhill, the people running it don't even understand their own series.
when applying gen 1 spriting techniques it doesnt look that out of place to be honest.Maybe you're all just thinking too hard about this.
>>37547630They apparently work well enough that nostalgiafags at the very least tolerate their existence.
>>37549623It still looks out of place
What's wrong with post-modernism?
>>37549623this looks way out of place, although i'd argue that's partially because this sprite feels very obviously fanmade to mestill, the design obviously doesn't fit
>>37549678I tried my best to include gen 1 jank if that makes sense. I just like Meltan/melmetal, i think they're among the better recent 'mon designs overall.
>>37547672I guess Starmie is no longer a Gen 1 pokémon...
>>37547718>Gen 1 was about shit looking organic and naturalA massive retard is what you are.
>>37548215Because is boring
>>37549688Starmie is 2 starfish on top of eachother that spins and randomly has a gemstone on the middle of it. It's design choice is weird and random but somehow it looks amazing. How did Starmie do it?
>>37549501It's very interesting to me that when Game Freak talks about Gen 1 design philosophies, they always focus on the very simple designs. Things like Magnemite and Ditto. This what they associate as being primarily a gen 1 thing.All while western genwunners associate gen 1 with the detailed beasts and kaijus like Arcanine and Nidoking.It's particulalry interesting that Masuda refers to modern designs as being less basic than the older ones, despite all those comparisons that get spammed here about how modern pokemon are MORE basic than their predecessors.
>>37549760To me it speaks about concept vs execution. Japan seems to be a lot more about the former, while the West sees the latter. I'd definitely say modern designs are more complex conceptually but much less complex visually, for example.
>>37549760All I’m seeing is Masuda is out of touch with what people actually like.
>>37549734Ignoring everything that defines Gen 1 (according to genwunners)
>>37549774Are you saying people don't like Magnemite or Ditto?
>>37549501Based sourceanon btfo'd genwunners.Now they are all "hurr durr but they are retarded it's nothing alike!!"Meltan and melmetal are based on gen1 design so shut the fuck up it's like a gen1 pokémon, everything you believed before it was just cherrypicking. Topkek
>>37549760Remember back in gen 4 when the argument was that modern designs were overdone?Seems to be what Masuda is talking about. Seems like gen 6 and 7 have made an effort to simplify designs as much as possible, mega evos and alola forms notwithstanding.
>>37549760This problem stems from retards thinking an entire gen has a uniform aesthetic.People asking for more "gen 1 styled" pokemon sure as hell aren't asking for things like Jynx, Magneton, Diglett, or Exeggutor.If you want Kaiju pokemon ask for Kaiju pokemon. Even if there's like 7 Kaiju pokemon in gen 1 that's still less than 5% of the Pokedex. People cherry pick their favorites and pretend that those few pokemon represent all 151 pokemon that make up gen 1.
>>37549182it may have something to do with the fact that it's meant to look like it's from genwun, and most kanto 'mon have toriyama eyes
>>37547630It looks very gen 4
>>37549827keyword: most. a lot of kanto pokemon have toriyama eyes, making it a common theme
>>37547630I want, more than anything, for them to go back to gen 1 and 2 art style.
>>37549937sugimori's early art is kino
>>37549934A lot of kantomons have the "white circle, tiny dot" eyes too. Seems to be what Meltan's "face" is alluding to.
>>37549956true, i'd say meltan looks like it could be from kanto, but melmetal looks like a sinnoh or unova 'mon, what with all the nuts being black
>>37549977Melmetal definitely looks more like a gen 4 evo to a gen 1 mon.Which I hope was intentional, because that's kind of clever.
>>37549937I really miss fat pikachu
>>37549937If there's one thing I'll give the "Gen 1 did it better" crowd, it's this. The older art for mons was so much more lively and expressive compared to the newer style they've taken to.
>>37550103>The older art for mons was so much more lively and expressive compared to the newer style they've taken to.
>>37547677what did he mean by this?...
>>37549674Everything go ask /pol/ dont take the bait in this thread
>>37549208You’re completely right, Meltan just has fewer components. Everyone takes the piss on normie genwunners while ignoring their own illogical bias.
>>37547630They should have given meltan a different body otherwise its a good design
>>37547960ngl this is pretty good
>>37549937it doesn't matter how much you want to crawl back to nostalgia. That won't ever happen again. The company has changedThey can try to shove up the ass as many Kanto remakes, watercolor (washed 3D models) and references as much as they want, but I'll never bring back the first gen and the first game as it wasgotta learn to m o v e o n
>>37547643To be fair a lot of Gen 1 shit looks like shit conjured up by a first grader.>Ditto>Oddish >Bellsprout>Weepinbell>Rattata >Eggexcute >Magnemite >Voltorb >Electrode>Grimer >Muk >Krabby>Eevee >Ponyta>Rapidash >Geodude>Goldeen >Caterpie >Metapod>Weedle>Squirtle
>>37551478Gen 1 designs are pretty boring, meltan fits in well
>>37547630it literally looks like a ben 10 alien
>>37549208>perfectly smooth stubby cute armsNope.
>>37549819>uniform aestheticThey do, as they were drawn by someone else. You know how certain artists have certain style about their art that makes it distinguishable? Same concept applies here. Generation 1 stands out for this reason.
>>37549208Magnemite actually has ridges visible on its screws while Meltan doesn't have the same visible inside its nut so nope. They just drew a line and called it a day.
>>37551828Because it's pretty different drawing threads on a screw and inside a nut, it depends from the dimensions you want to give to the object and the perspective. If you give more lines inside the nut it will be a mess and less "cute" and "simple" as they wanted to show. Indeed melmetal has more lines inside its bellynut.
>>37551828Are you blind? The ridges are right there, literally modeled in.
>>37551478Almost every pokemon looks like it was designed by a 1st grader. Gen 1 actually probably has the most mature designs of any gen.
HOW DARE THIS THING EXIST REEGrow the fuck up, might as well just remove Ditto too.
>>37553229>Gen 1 actually probably has the most mature designs of any gen.
>>37553229It sure does.
>>37553229Congratulations anon, you win this thread!
>>37553256>>37553293>>37553301>>37553337>>37553343>>37553384Sometimes I forget /vp/ is unironically the most underage board
>>37553404Why the fuck are you calling any Pokemon design mature?
>>37547630>muh post modern boogiemanall Pokémon are postmodern by definition you dipshit. read even a single book instead of getting all your political/philosophical assumptions from youtube
>>37553419I said "most mature" you comprehensionlet
>>37553457>mature designs>on a children's video gameWhat did he mean by this?
Its cool and all, but it's just more gimmick than mythical
>>37553464The numbers 1, 2 and 3 are all small numbers, but one of them is still the "most high" number out of the three, even though none of them is actually very high at all. Do you get it now? >>37553513Explain to me what you think the word "mature" means
>>37553536Still, why you think there needs to be a "mature" design? So you can feel more comfortable playing and liking it as an adult?
>>37553550The more mature something is the more depth it has. Gen 1 was a good level of maturity, and then it slowly became flanderized until most of it just started to look plastic and shiny with an emphasis on things being cute and toy-like rather than interesting or cool. It went from creatures being tailored to the environment they lived in to just fitting whatever roles they needed to balance out the game.
>>37553574Very few gen 1 designs have any depth. Most of them have no concept that goes beyond their basic appearance.Exceptions I can think of are Mew for resembling a fetus, and the concept behind Magikarp and Gyarados. But that's all pretty standard compared to modern designs, which are practically expected to have multiple inspirations each, or an underlying theme to an evolutionary line.
>>37547650Ah yes, because what defines Gen 1 is the 4 (out of 151) objectmon it comprised...
>>37549786Compared to Charizard or Lapras?Face it, many people may tolerate them, but only a few contrarian faggots really love objectmon...
>>37553574there's nothing "deep" about genwun. most of the kanto dex is either boring ripoffs of other franchises, generic kaijuu, or ugly shitmons. very few of them don't clash with the rest of the franchise.
>>37551817Gen 1 and Gen 2 were drawn at the same moment.It's with Gen 3 that the style changed (and it was very noticable for people who had played the first two gens when Gen 3 games came out).
>>37553641Compared to the majority of gen 1?Yeah, Ditto and Magnemite are on the popular end.
>>37553641I like some objectmon (litwick's evo line for example) but not all of them. Am I a faggot?
>>37553623>>37553653I don't mean just the designs for the pokemon, I mean the whole thing. The idea used to be, "what does this area of the world look like? OK, now what sort of creatures would live in an area like this?". Now it's more like "oh we haven't done a grass/electric type yet? Well let's just make one and we'll find a place to throw it in later". Depth comes from everything interacting, not just how deep each individual pokemon design is.
>>37553702You know nothing of what you're talking about.We know from interviews that Game Freak randomly designed the pokemon before they even considered what the pokemon world would look like or how they'd interact with it and each other.If anything, modern designs are the ones that take these thoughts into account, which is how concepts like Alola forms come about.You couldn't be more blinded by nostalgia.
>>37553755Satoshi created pokemon based on his hobby of insect collecting. He probably had these ideas in his head long before he even came up with the idea for pokemon. Just because they brainstormed ideas about designs doesn't mean they didn't have the bigger picture in mind at the same time. You can tell that they did by the aesthetic of the game. The world is based on real life.
>>37553843>Just because they brainstormed ideas about designs doesn't mean they didn't have the bigger picture in mind at the same time. They literally didn't. They have admitted this several. Kanto is the least fantastical region because they had no vision for the pokemon world, since they didn't expect the game to take off like it did.
>>37553987The world is just based on the real world, and the pokemon reflect that.
I love when genwunners just find the most outlandish reasons to explain why gen 1 designs are gospel
>>37555349outlandish, cherrypicked, outright dumbpick your poison really.there's nothing wrong with being nostalgic just don't let the rose tinted glasses blind you
>>37555371because as we all know we could see all those details on this gray brick.WAIT DON'T LEAVE!!!!!
>>37555371The Grubbin and Vikavolt comparisons are just stupid. Weedle is literally made out of circles and Vikavolt has a much more complex body than Beedril.
>>37549501>He definitely probably
>>37549937Prefereably without the white splotches everywhere.
>>37555405OK and what about the other 16 examples
>>37555405OH NO NO NO NO
>>37555554>I point out 2 bad examples>You start talking about the other ones I didn't even mentionok dumdum>>37555564>I say body>You post legsok dumdum
>>37555371>this pic againWe have this shit everytime, and everytime the one who posts this get btfo so hard. Just look at the previous thread about this. Lol
>>37553627>Expecting Game Freak to understand anything about their own series
>>37555587>>I point out 2 bad examples>>You start talking about the other ones I didn't even mentionNo shit, you pickoming out 2 out of 17 examples is called cherrypicking
>>37555371>>37555349mmm yaaaaaas 'murica
>>37556052>using current gen art style to describe gen 1Interesting
>>37553229>mature designsOh I'm laffin.
>genwunners going full damage controltruly a beautiful sight
>>37547630>designs a pokemon using the gen 1 design philosophy>its type didnt even exist in gen 1BRAVO GAMEFREAK
>>37556052This is gold.
>>37556052Gen 6 and 7 are all fucking shit. Fuck off zoomer
>>37556162When you're done laughing try learning how to read
>>37555349>pretty much a regular horseand why is this a good thing?>cartoony animu eyesit's okay when it's toriyama's cartoony animu eyes.
>>37556691>mature designsThe laughter isn't stopping any time soon.
>>37547630>post modernist faggotAre you fucking retarded? That's not what postmodernism is. Also, 4chan was founded on post-modern values, so fuck off to where you came from.
>>37555564This were indeed be a good argument, if Beedrill weren't the ONLY bug type to have weirdly detailed legs like hat.Not even Venomoth's legs are that detailed, and Venomoth is literally my mom's moth.Beedrill is the odd man out here, not Vikavolt.
>>37553699No, that's pretty common. As someone else pointed out, pokemon like Chandelure being popular destroys the narrative of "people just don't like Vanilluxe or Garbodor because of nostalgia."
>>37547630They look like Gen 3~5
>>37557594People hating Vanilluxe and Garbodor is a narrative in itself. Most don't mind them, and those that keep bringing them up are the vocal minority that shit on gen 5 in general.
>>37549817the funny thing on this meme is that gen 4 charizard looks better in every way compared to the original
>>37558478>Crogunk>Tormoal>Torterra>Manibuzz>Infernape>Stoundland the most my mom's pokemon>Cartoony
>>37557730Nah. It’s the embodiment of a try-hard design The simplicity of the actual design gives it much wider appeal
>>37558574I don't entirely agree.I think Charizard would look better with darker inner-wings and the cream underside extending up to its jaw like its mega forms.
Like how some people view that nu-Gen Pokémon are only objectmons, Game Freak does the same thing to Gen 1
>>37558640I only agree with the belly being connected with the lower jaw(however, the megas would feel less impressive for recycling that design element)Why would it need black wings? Aren’t the wings blue because the skies are associated with blue?
>>37556052Holy fucking BTFO
>>37548157So it would look even more shitty. Good to know.
>>37553229Creationism and attempts at creating a false god are child's play, then.
>>37547630meltan probably came about when someone had a 3d hexagon model and used the sculpt tool to pull bits of it down
>>37558333Holy fucking BTFO