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>What is WoW Classic
Official Blizzard servers for WoW 1.12 aka Vanilla
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22990080/mark-your-calendars-wow-classic-launch-and-testing-schedule

>Content Release Plan
https://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Classic#Content

>Looking for old friends, guildmates?
https://www.vanillafriends.com/

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>>259080595
>take grotesque beast and try to make it pretty
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Any Alliance PvP realm guilds recruiting and need a resto druid? Asking for a friend.
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I'm going to play an alliance healer. I've never been alliance and I've never been a healer so it's maximum fresh like it should be. Help me decide which healing class to play

>paladin
+super durable and useful in wpvp
+ez raid slot as tank healer, ez to gear up
+free mount, spend that money on engineering w/o mining
+reckbomb 1-shots
+spellpower shockadin viable at high gear levels
- slow as fuck to level solo
- will always wear a dress

>priest
+mind control griefing
+always invited to every raid
+best healing toolkit for high skill ceiling
+efficient shadow leveling
-squishy
-will do nothing but heal forever at 60
-expected to be dwarf

>druid
+nobody expects you to be good
+mediocre performance on raid heals means you can relax and nobody will know you're not resto
+heart of the wild spec for 5 man tanking, dps, and healing
+absolutely zero gear competition
-will never be great at anything
-living meme

which one is most fun bois
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>>259080767
>implying you have to try for it to be pretty
Snu snu, anon. Snu snu.
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nelf master race
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>>259080790
Holy Paladin.
Will be the lowest class spec played in the game, everyone wants you around. When the raid is geared you can mess around with left over dps gear and two shot noobs.

The most annoying healer to stop in bgs.
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>>259080826
i bet you want to fuck abbos too
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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/hunter-beta-issues-update/223166
Oh nononono
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>>259080923
please fart on my face. if anyone's down for fart erp let me fuckin know
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Classic+ 2021 please.
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>meanwhile on retail
>pvp is an esport
>dungeons are an esport
>raids are now an esport too
what is even going on
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbSmgeSg5jQ

Next vid is going to be a pre-pre raid gear acquisition for rogues, so all the easy upgrades you can quickly acquire while leveling to make leveling faster. Horde only, of course.
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>>259081260
god that would be amazing
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>>259081260
some of these are retarded
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>>259081264
erp should be an esport too
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>>259081387
K. Keep us posted.
Please don't samefag about your videos in a few hours. This is enough. Best of luck.
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Choosing between a Mage, Warrior, or Priest and I really can't decide
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>>259081434
200 IQ post detected
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>>259081082
it's all fucking over, don't even pretend to play a hunter isn't actively cucking yourself
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>>259081052
>>259081286
Hang all fleshbags
The Machine will inherit this world
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>esfand almost got into mia malkova's pussy
>she's a huge classic fan
>she's black only
>they're talking to her like she's a normal person
https://twitter.com/MiaMalkova/status/1146088008338165760
HOW
DO
I
GET
INTO
HER
GUILD?!
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>>259081260
Most of these are fucking stupid. The setting should never involve anything that wasnt already in Classic (Outlands, South Seas, Pandaria, etc). Only exception is MAYBE Northrend but there should be nothing there and you just get swarmed by undead the deeper you go.
I'd love to see a 60 Kara or a Scarlet Crusade raid that drops a Whitemane set.
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>>259081260
>alternate timeline
>fight Malygos again
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>>259081854
Doesn't Henry Cavill play WoW too? Imagine getting into a guild and Keanu Reeves is the shaman officer
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>>259081854
Despite being over 50% of the population, women are only responsible for 9% of the WoW players
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>>259081840
Fug.
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>>259081937
i want whitemane to drop her pantsu on my face
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>>259081260
god tier:
- Northrend
- Outland

good:
- Lordaeron
- South Seas
-

ok I guess / its already in the lore
- emerald dream
- pandaria

maybe?
- dragon isles (i mean blizz planned on it originally)
- Argus

fucking idiotic
- elemental plane
- ka'resh
- nazjatar
- shadowlands
- Apexis
- Underworld
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Considering the vast amounts of people likely to roll Mage or Warrior, am I basically cucking myself by wanting to go Rogue?
I dont know what else to do....
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>>259080790
>absolutely zero gear competition
Why, you think pallies aren't going to roll on healing leather? You think there aren't going to be other resto druids in the raid?
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>>259082703
>I like things I've seen before
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>>259081387
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbSmgeSg5jQ
Wow, did you pay someone on fiverr to edit this for you?
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>>259083354
no, reimagine them. I want TFTesque Northrend
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>>259081840
>t. King Mechagon
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>>259080790
Most fun? Priest or druid. Paladin is suffering. Seriously. Slowest to level, you must go retribution to level, then around 55 start fighting every other spell caster and healer for pre-raid gear, at 58+ you still can't heal dungeons unless you've got super lucky and you're going with some over geared over leveled people.

>you just 1 shot people in pvp!
No, those are cherry-picked kills; they had bis pvp gear, got lucky on crits against some kids in pve gear who don't know any better.

Priests can do everything, druids are always wanted and can also do everything. Paladins are just durable and only wanted as holy paladins in raids to spam heal a tank and give blessings. just stay away from paladins.
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>cleared out back of freezer
>found a breakfast hot pocket
I fear nothing.
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>>259084128
>only 1
not enough for breakfast
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>>259083860
I'm aware of the slow solo leveling, put that in my post. Why would I be fighting other healers for pre-raid gear? You take one healer per dungeon. Why can't you heal dungeons at 58+? With less tools than a priest there's less tolerance for retarded dps but I've never heard that paladins can't heal level 60 dungeons.
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>>259081286
t. Muslim
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>>259083484
It's a legit good vid desu this faggot is just hating
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https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistIcyIguanaBCWarrior
OH NO NO THE STATE OF MAGEKEKS
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>>259084750
Fatty.
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>>259081387
Oh my god finally, the first and only good guide video ever made. The production quality and editing is amazing

Hey my gay friends are giving me HIV tomorrow who wants to come? Should I invite my parents or just film it and show them after
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>>259085361
>t. tripfag
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>>259080595
If Orcettes were like that Alliance would be dead. Problem is in game they can't find the balance between tough/rough/cool and attractive/feminine so they just look awful so no one plays them.
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>>259080595
I just want to kiss her abs and rub her thighs when she comes home tired after hard day patrolling the Barrens and fighting quillboars and centaurs and lions.

<3 strong women
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>>259084750
>he eats breakfast
oof
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>>259080790
Human Holy Paladin for maximum RP as one of two most iconic race/class combos (other being Orc Warrior).

And fuck the minmaxers, play what you like the most.
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>>259087048
based
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>>259081143
Which race eats beans in lore? I remember reading some of them do but I don't remember which one.
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Safest non-healer class to make sure I experience all raids? What's never gonna be useless
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>>259083126
Nice thing about spell DPS is that they're least dependent role in the game. INT only increases your total mana pool and gives you a tiny bit extra chance to spellcrit, meaning your DPS is dependent on your spell level and not your gear.

That's remnant of Diablo 2 design, with sorc there being gear independent and perfect for magic find runs with full magic find gear.
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>>259087521
>they're least dependent role
least gear dependent, that is
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>>259085249
Nah I'm just an ex catholic who hates how we often we rape kids.
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>>259087475
Mage
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>>259087240
It could be any of them
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Currently I'm planning to level

Human mage
Night Elf hunter
Orc warrior
Forsaken warlock

I think that about covers it as far as leveling goes. I don't care about Dwarves or Gnomes so I won't level either (although one of the old zones I want to see the most is Loch Modan) and Orc, Trolls and Tauren's leveling overlaps from level 10 to 60, so once you level one there's no reason to level others.
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>>259083484
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbSmgeSg5jQ
He has 17 years experience with Vegas dude.
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>>259088409
>>259081387
Is there there an actual list of pre raid BiS gear for each class that doesn't involve watching some random youtube video?

Even wowhead doesn't have that, which is surprising. I'd like to know what items to go for.
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>>259081854

Fuck Malkova, I wanna be in Manuel's guild.
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>>259081840
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>>259087214
Also Arthas was a paladin in Uther's apprenticeship. That's why second generation DKs are tanky, melee class with ruinous spells because they're a dark mirror of paladins.
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>>259088731
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>>259088613
There is but the vid is set up to be instantly absorbed. Heck, you can watch it on mute and just look at the time links in the pinned comment for the video to show off the 3d model and the item.

There's spreadsheets and websites set up for "bis" listing but they just list the actual "best" item and not the "best for your time investment" item like the video does.
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259089028
Put the trip back on, fatso.
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>>259088994
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*sips her monster*
Ah, classic...
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>>259089296
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>>259089028
>and not the "best for your time investment" item like the video does.

The massive fucking irony in this, just listing the items and where to get them in plain text would save even more time. How about you go do that now faggot.
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>>259089028
>There is but the vid is set up to be instantly absorbed
12 minutes of some fat indian lisping at you the wrong gear to get is "instantly"?
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Alliance is better for PvP.
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Guys trying to optimize the hell out of their speed runs to 60, trying to cut every corner, /camp, death skip, and make the path to 60 the least involved possible. WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK DID YOU FIGHT FOR ALL THESE YEARS?

The purpose of bringing back classic was to ENJOY the fact that Vanilla WoW wasn't something you just blew through at lightning speed. The reason you have all this god damn nostalgia was because the JOURNEY was memorable. You didn't death skip the fuck through a zone, you didn't cut corners, you didn't intentionally rush to 60 so you could just sit waiting to raid. You were running to each location, that meant that people were in the world, playing the game. We can't bring this retail/fortnite instant gratification shit to Classic because that wasn't the point for fighting so damn hard to get this game.

It's not about how fast can I get full tier 2 and be bored out of my damn mind sitting in Orgrimmar, because that wasn't the point back in Classic. The point was enjoying the journey, getting to experience each zone, each quest, each dungeon. You remember all the dungeons from Vanilla ST, DM, Blackfathom Deeps, Gnomeregan, Mara, etc...because you stopped along your journey to 60 to experience them with others on the server. That is how you built friendships while leveling, how server communities got formed.

If you rush to 60 in 2 days, skip every dungeon, death skip every zone, and run to Ony just to get what? World's first...you won't. Server first...sure maybe? But what did you lose? You lost the very thing that made you love Vanilla WoW. And you returned to the game more concerned about beating it than enjoying it. SLOW DOWN. Stop caring about being 60 in 2 freaking days. Classic will be around for YEARS.

What would be more impressive to me is if people did a speed run where they cleared every quest in every zone. Ran every dungeon, and experienced the very thing that made Vanilla WoW what it was worth remembering.
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>>259089760
>some fat indian
I get the Frost reference but this dude's clearly American. He has a southern twang to his voice.

The way the vid is set up it tells you when to close it (Like the 8 minute mark) and if you just want say, a ranged weapon up you click the time stamp in the pinned comment, like listening to a music album on youtube. Way better than anything Tips Out ever made.
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Is shockadin actually a thing or is it just more meme bullshit? How well does it do once you get the Judgement set?
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>>259090943
>people who play the game 10x more than me aren't enjoying it right
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Lmaoing at all the seething huntards
>Feign Death does not kill the hunter if they stay feigned the entire duration
Should do that irl @hunters LMAO
/dab
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>>259090943
The only thing I ever enjoyed about WoW was the ganking and trolling aspect. I don't care about "besting" some scripted PvE content. I only saw that as a means to an end for gear to be used against other players. The entire draw of the game was "These dudes made Diablo 2" "There's PvP" and "I can murder the enemy faction." That's it. That's all I care about. I don't give a fuck about anything else the game offers.

Leveling up is not enjoyable. It is a chore. It is a necessary evil to be as strong as possible to kill others. Back in the day I did blow through it as fast as possible, then I rolled alts and did it again, and again, and again, and then tried the other faction, and did it again, and again, and again. Rinse and repeat through mid-cata.

The journey was not that memorable dawg. I remember AoE grinding while crying to myself listening to Tarja-Era Nightwish on how alone I was. I remember power leveling my co-workers to try to get in their panties. I remember the first time I was ever ganked. I remember saying "fuck it" after having two of my rogues banned and a third sold and just paying an American player to power level one for me with max trade skills + epic mount cause it was more time / cost effective for me to work a wagie slavey job than to do it myself. Questing was never enjoyable. Waiting for respawns, endless grinding, wandering aimlessly while being inefficient was not enjoyable or memorable.

I remember guild drama tearing the first guild I was in apart. The second, the third, the fourth, etc etc etc. I remember being denied into raids on a low pop server until I was literally in high warlord gear, THEN I was allowed into UBRS. I remember girl gamers afk'ing and holding up raids 30-40 minutes to "feed their babies" or main tanks going on 15 minute "smoke breaks" holding EVERYONE UP. I remember getting 3 hours of sleep and doing 12 hour wagecuck shifts.
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>>259090943
>>259092102
I remember having to re-roll on an oceanic server since I worked nights just to raid in the mornings. I remember rogues being so overpopulated I had to play a healslut and pretend to be a girl just to get into raids.

I remember my co-workers being interested in the game, my boss(es) pressuring me to play with them. I remember angering my boss cause I main tank'd for his shitty RP low pop server alliance guild and found a buyer for a high price, causing immense work stress.

I remember going through arena partner after arena partner after arena partner until I finally found someone that didn't 100% nerd rage, keyboard turn, click skills, or fail at his job to get gladiator.

Yes, it IS how fast you can get to tier 2, because for rogues that's being in PvP godmode. Only losers sit in town and do nothing. Race to 60 = more pvp and gold farm opportunity. I don't know about you but I'm an uneducated wagie (former wagie) who had to sell gold to make ends meet. As a matter of fact, selling gold was far more profitable than working a wagie job, even more than a pharmacist.

Dungeons were a slog of having to deal with keyboard turning idiots that fell asleep at the wheel, afk'd to "snack break" or up and quit in the middle. Groups would take HOURS to form (even on 10k pop pservers as a TANK.).

Server communities? You mean guilds from other MMO's who controlled everything on low and medium pop servers? Having to fart sniff, toe lick, and fill out "applications" on shitty websites to be given the privilege to raid?! I never understood why content was gated behind other players disdain for you.

Listen lad, the SOONER you get your gear the SOONER you are free to actually play the game... and gank girl gamer streamers 24/7.
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>>259092102
God, I can't wait for to stir shit up with guild drama and gank lowbies for hours on my Alliance and Horde rogue.


~Happy~
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>>259087475
Warlock
>needed early
>good with gear
>nobody wants to play it
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>>259092576
That's another thing. Fucking e-thots that ruin guids. Every guild I've ever been in, seen, in any MMO, any gaming community, ever, is RUINED by girls.

I'm not being sexist, I'm being redpilled. If you are in a guild with a woman it will fall to ruin. Sure, it may not be directly the woman's fault, but the thirsty betas that orbit her will drag everyone and everything down. There's a reason women weren't allowed to fight in war, go hunting with the Grugs, etc. A group of soldiers pinned down ready to die in a foxhole VS a group of soldiers thinking about getting a final act of sex before being blown up. Who do you think is gonna fight harder? When lads go hunting, do you think they can talk freely about guy stuff without the girl butting in, or offending the alpha Grug who is boning her?

The same goes for WoW. Raids = hunting. PvP = war.

Women don't even see you as a person, as an equal, etc. They see you as an object, as a means to an end, as a stepping stone.

<Swole Squad> might become a thing if more people show interest. I opened a Discord up for lads who are interested. It's in the youtube descrip I won't post it here.
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>>259093140
Yeah i'm not joining a streamer guild or one with egirls. I'm looking for the old school drama guild that shits on everyone.
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>>259093128
>'nobody wants to play it'
>he doesnt know that warlock will be a popular class in Classic
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>>259093140
have sex
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>>259093772
Yeah hit me up with that again after the zerg hits lvl 40 friend
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>>259094292
I did earlier bro.
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A lot of people think there will be a lot more female characters now than there were in was back in the day.

Why is that so?
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>>259094706
Estrogen
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>>259094706
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>>259094706
kinda common sense. The rise of discord/trannies/egirls.. and males generally less insecure about their masculinity
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>>259081264
ESL had arena tournaments in TBC
Nihilum speedran ZA Bear run vs that german guild at Gamescom in TBC
Paragon live raided Bastion and BWD at Dreamhack
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Any insiders know what time the beta realms go offline today?
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>>259095313
>TBC
Yeah no shit. TBC was a trash expansion.
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>>259095410
Dead game, no one cares loser.
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I am thinking of writing a bot that queues WSG and auto attacks anyone getting near to the flag. Granted, it would be too simple of a bot to kill anyone on it's own. Would this be enough to get rank 14, or do you actually have to have a really high KDA and win percentage to progress in the ranks?
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>>259096173
Are you wearing a helmet?
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>>259094693
I watched one of your videos out of curiosity.

So you're basically a gymcel who wants to obsessively corpse camp thots?

You have some fucking issues man.
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>>259096380
He is a bluepilled Eggman.
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>Traps can sometimes not be triggered if a player moves over them very quickly (i.e. a Warrior’s Charge ability). This behavior is consistent with the Reference client.
How can private server apes ever recover?
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>>259096380
He's literally an obese indian or paki that makes up different stories about his life, he's had like 12 different personas on various boards here for years.
It honestly doesn't matter, the bottom line is that he's a redditor samefagging for views here.
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>want to play warrior
>can't be raid tank because not part of the clique
>fury might be unviable with less threat generation for tanks and crit from zerker stance not working
tell me warrior is going to be viable
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>>259096380
Twitch thots deserve to be camped. Also I'm full blown redpill so no "incel" about it.

>>259096723
Nah senpai. I'm a pure breed.
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>>259096817
honestly only betas post on mmo-champion, especially beta and bluepilled when they pretend it's not them
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This is your responsibility
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>>259097024
Yeah that's just one of you guys pretending to be me to drag my name through the mud. MMOChamp mods have too many connections to fuck with.
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>>259096817
>Twitch thots deserve to be camped.
Maybe they do, but it's the fact that you personally want to punish them that indicates you're an incel.

So many people in this world deserve bad things to happen to them, yet we don't go out of our own way to make that happen.

You are motivated by your own personal vendetta to punish girls for not giving you pussy.
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>>259097130
nice r*ddit spacing
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>>259097130
They don't cause they're timid.

I go out of my way to make bad people have a bad time. Shoplifters, drug dealers, gang bangers, twitch thots, drunk idiots in public, etc.

I am redpilled and can get pussy quite quickly. Sure in my teens and very early 20's, not as easily, but so what? Why would you even want pussy from someone that doesn't want you?

No, I am after twitch thots for a much higher cause. Imagine if a website where girls aged 9-30 went to play with dolls, do makeup, dressup, etc and a bunch of hunky 20 year olds invaded the site to do the same thing, while all the young girls gave up all their cash to these guys, making them vulnerable and dependent, making them "cucked."

The fact that ANYONE out there bought the Delphine bath water is indictator enough that strong men like me need to make changes to society.
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>>259097362
Benji, no one else is here besides you and me. If you want more views, work on your seo and less bumping a dead thread.
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>>259097467
SEO is maxed out. Other people doing similar guides all bought views and their content is garbage for monetary reasons. My content is for friendship / community reasons. I got 7 1/2 years of funds then I'm gonna RIP anyway.
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>>259097362
Also, you should stream. No money in youtube wow videos. Just copy GreekGodx and leech the fuck off major streamers. Find where streamers in WoW are hanging out and always be in view and attempting to interact with them. If they tell you to fuck off, just ignore it and keep pushing it. Just try to be nice about it like a lost puppy.

GreekGodx, Esfand etc both did that shit and look at the cash they make now.
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>why yes, I do main paladin and use the term class fantasy unironically
>how could you tell?
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>>259081854
>she's black only
That's just how Jewish women are.
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>>259097074
Why are all these mean incel bullies trying to false flag you, Benji?? What a bunch of betas.
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What is the best class for briefing? No rogues, I find it boring
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So anons should i go alliance, or horde?
Atm i've got no irl friends planning to play - but i've already 1-60 Alliance on vanilla/Nost.

Do i go for the new experience, or stay /comfy/ with what i know
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>>259093772
>He believes reddit pols instead of pserver data
You got to be really retarded
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>>259097707
From your many jousting championship trophies.
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>>259097950
griefing
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When's the next stress test?
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>>259097954
are you white?
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>>259098058
who gives a shit
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>>259097651
Not really motivated by money. I'm hyper minimalist and live on very little. I don't care about driving new cars, living in a house, or any of that normie crap.

I just want bros and vidya. I don't even want to lift anymore since the new "meta" is to be a lean college athlete type bod, not a muscle-monster.

I occasionally stream but I can't chat if I'm in my van, and if the gf is sleeping then I can't disturb her or the stream will be boring / silent af. Nothing to even fucking play. What, dead ass Steam games like Natural Selection 2? Private server cancer, or Teamfight Tactics? It's all shit man. I don't even watch streamers so I have no idea who or what this GreekGod guy even does. I only know what Esfand is cause he trolled Asmond that one time with a bridge jump. That's it. I don't want to ride the coat tails of streamers anyway, or be a "proxy" friend. I literally had a based friend-bro who became a middle-league streamer and next'd me cause his community hated my guts. I don't want to re-live that. Streamers in particular get this god-complex that makes them think they're better than you. It's bluepilled af.

>>259097819
I honestly don't see anything wrong with that. Also the reddit "mods" deleted that shit weeks after it was posted, meaning some cringe incel looked through my history to report it.

>>259097819
Druid then? Rooting + travel form + stealth + tanky works. I've considered going druid since Blizz nerfed literally ALL my main goldfarming techniques as a rogue.

>>259097954
I played both in vanilla and alliance were far more oppressive in terms of pugging where hordes were mostly bros.
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>>259097954
Horde has more tryhard dicks, Alliance are bro tier and have some house wives playing for milkie pics. Want to be the underdog? play Alliance, want to be #238572987982 undead rogue waiting in 2 hour bg queue for wsg then play horde.
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>>259098076
The whitest
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>>259088027
>ex catholic
apostaty is impossible retard. you can't undo baptism. you're christian forever like it or not.
>rape kids
ye no other community/religion has had people raping kids media-brainwashed moron.
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>>259098369
you can't be more than about 56% white if you even consider rolling a h*rde nigger
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>>259094706
Because of the SJW onions phenomena
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>>259098208
No. Alliance has more "good guy" soiboi's, little children, single mothers, dadgamers, old people, moralfags, chinese, and other shittier scum.

Horde has dude bros, late teens / early adults, edgy goths, pro gamers, people serious about playing (Less keyboard turners than alliance.), etc.

The game is even a "hard mode" for horde. I played both factions, and even if you deep dive into the data, quests, gear rewards, and gear from alliance only zones, alliance have it far easier. Horde breeds men. Alliance breeds sissies.
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>>259094706
People grew up and stopped being self-inserting underage kids. Those who still do or care are virgin manchildren.
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>>259098562
horde has nameniggers like this, don't go horde
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>>259080595
>classic
>wow anything
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
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>>259098562
Vanilla horde was based indeed, the only true faction in the game to have proper faction pride, success against adversity

Then alliance turds started claiming they had faction pride too and it all became embarrassing
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>>259098562
are you a schizo?
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>>259098562
Wrong, I'm as post-punk/goth as it can be and I'm rolling Alliance.
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>>259098821
No, I just played the game back in vanilla.

This says it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf-lbVTt__I

100% true.
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>>259081854
I hope you fucking die
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>>259098562
>Alliance has it easier
>I leveled on both side btw
>ROGUE
Get a load of this retard. Once again proving you're clueless about the game and never got past lvl 40. It's so fucking clear the game was first designed for Horde then Alliance (so many class quests are more convenient for Horde). Now come to rogue... LMAO. How absurdly easier Horde has it? Literally FREE and GOOD blue Main Hands left and right at every stage.
t. actually leveled rogue to 60 on both side.
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>>259098605
He's right though, at least in vanilla.

Horde were also the underdogs and had faster bg queues due to Horde having a smaller population on most servers.
It was after BC that switched around, because of blood elves.
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>>259099101
Elwynn was the first zone they developed though.
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>>259099109
that won't happen in Classic, people interested in pvp will flcok to horde for muh wotf and stun resist and alliance will have instant bg queues
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>>259099101
I leveled a mage on alliance.

I did level a rogue on alliance but that was TBC.

Only thing I never leveled to 60 was a hunter. I only dicked around on the tournament realm with one, and leveled one on a Pserver to 40.

I haven't leveled a rogue past 40 on pservers cause there's no need to practice the 40-60 route it's way faster than 1-40. Yeah it requires more exp but 40-60 is just doing kill quests and dungeons. 1-40 is more technical to pull ahead of the pack.

Also the human starting zone and Stormwind were the first developed. What do you mean free blue main hands? Alliance gets Deadmines, which is superior in rogue gear. I don't know about the class quests because I don't remember that far back for alliance.
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>>259099101
>It's so fucking clear the game was first designed for Horde then Alliance
What a terrible bait

Its common knowledge that alliance content was designed first, horde even had huge gaps in the leveling content so they patched in stuff like the hinterlands troll quests
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>>259099264
Bingo, even the stress test data shows that everyone is going horde this time for the pvp racials.
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>>259099415
Everyone is going horde because the alliance is for homosexuals
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>Actually struggling to decide if i want to go Priest or Warrior
Their both so useful at endgame and are fun to play too
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>>259099589
do you want to heal or tank
because neither will dps
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Bros give it to me straight.. how do I find a cute submissive sissy/trans I can have erotic chats with and play WoW: Classic?
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>>259099802
Play alliance
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>>259099671
I've played tank for a long time, so healing is something i'm interested in.
I'm also toying with playing rogue but i'm not a big PvPfag
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>>259099671
>fury wont be top dps
have they changed something or is it just the latest tranny meme
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>>259092576
Only one faction allowed per PVP server, as it was in vanilla retail.
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>>259099979
>tanks generate much less threat in classic
>fury has no way to dump threat
>berserker stances 3% crit won't work on raid bosses
>armor ratings are busted on pservers
face it, warriros are cucked
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>>259100050
give me some sources, Alice
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>>259099283
>1-40 is more technical to pull ahead of the pack
Thus why you do it by grinding with a Rogue lmao. Gtfo pls. I once hopped on your stream by curiosity. You were in Ratchet running around like a headless chicken saying you had no clue where to go quest at lvl 20. Like wtf learn the game before daring to teach ppl.
>What do you mean free blue main hands?
https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=6504
https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=16886
>B-but alliance has a 20% chance to get Cruel Barb after wasting an ungodly amount of time with DM
top fucking kek.
>>259099304
But Alliance has gaps in that particular level range? Classic will be like Nostalrius afaik without all the quests that were added like Searing Gorge. Everyone has always said leveling is easier for Horde and felt like it for me aswell. Idk man
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>>259099802
>>259099827
Are you sure? I plan on playing warrior/hunter, what's a good sissy class to look for?
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>>259100151
>mobs have 14% parry instead of 4% like on pservers
>it's this way even on your funservers
>some guys figured out 3% crit from zerk stance didn't work on raid bosses and blizz said it's "working as intended :^)"
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>>259100151
Here here fury cuck, open your mouth.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-berserker-stance/196414/3
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-hit-tables/185675/12
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>>259100171
Yeah, I mean you quit the game for a gorillion years and see if you remember where to quest. Especially if you spent TBC / WotLK just paying people to level for you.

Wingblade and Outlaw Sabre are dungeon quest rewards, sure, but Outlaw Sabre is very time consuming in the run to get to the dungeon and the dungeon itself and isn't worth it. I've done the math and doing SM for the blue sword reward isn't worth it either.

The stream wasn't a teaching stream at all. It's my own personal leveling testing. If you wanna learn speed leveling go watch jokerd and roll an alliance mage.

Someone just gave me reddit silver for posting about griefing in-game funerals. Based.
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>>259100381
OH NONONONO

DON

THE

SHIELD

WARRIOR

KEKS
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>>259081264
yeah, for the whole 5 guilds playing that shit
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>>259099802
Go to F-list and write up your narrative. Boring l4female don't get any messages
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>>259100381
Not a furycuck but doesn't this 3% crit chance reduction against raid bosses apply to all classes, not just the berserking stance bonus?
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Hi All,

We looked into this.

Modifiers to Critical Strike chance are reduced against enemies 3 levels higher than the player-character. We tested a variety of modifiers to Critical Strike, such as: Berserker Stance, the Cruelty talent, and critical strike chance on gear. They all behaved the same as they did in 1.12, so we’ve concluded that there’s no bug here.

Thanks for the report!

How will f*ry virgins ever recover?
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>>259099802
This gif is so satisfying to watch wtf
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>>259100427
>I've done the math and doing SM for the blue sword reward isn't worth it either.
Careful with that statement m8. I said the same thing a few days ago and pack of faggoty zoomers threw a tantrum of spergian dimensions.
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>>259100589
fury loses both
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>>259100690
my pleasure anon
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>>259100568
>f-list
I don't want a disease ridden degenerate, just a cute femboy to play with and tease.
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>>259100727
w-why?
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>>259100952
that's how it was in 1.12 sweetie
now don the shield
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>>259100589
> this 3% crit chance reduction against raid bosses apply to all classes
Not really. It's something related to "orb modifiers" (basically "static buffs" like stances, animal forms or stealth) You've got to read more into it. Not really caring cuz I took the caster pill long time ago.
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>>259086371
what is Blizzard going to do about this?

if they don't take any measures for this in Classic the private server suicide statistics will be through the roof and all over the news
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Recent news might put certain specs within the margin of error
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>>259101257
They have 50+ days to fix these problems mate.
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>>259086371
What an annoying sperg
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dps warr lf strat ud paying 200g for a run pls invite me ffs PLZ!!!
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>>259100838
so write that in your hook up? no random cute boy is gonna want to open up and be cutesy with you if you're acting like a confrontational redneck in-game but they might consider it as a ruleset if they can read your profile before-hand
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>3% dps nerf
>f-fury is dead
delusional fags I swear
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>>259101409
>implying "dps" warriors have that kind of gold.
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>>259088613
http://www.wowclassicbis.com/
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>>259101432
>ignores the 14% parry
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So do I just need an active subscription to play it then?

It let me download it, but it says "no active server" or something when I load it up.
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>>259101432
>10% parry increase from private servers
>probably much higher armor values than private servers
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>>259101414
how do you know so much anon
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>>259101508
mobs don't parry from behind
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>>259100589
Yes, though it's unclear how it actually works, whether it's a flat modifier (something similar to the hit% where the first 1% hit is ignored) or a relative one. Considering the blue post said it being applied to auras, it should just be the buffs you have, though this means leader of the pack, many world buffs, elixirs, etc being affected by it. Realistically, every melee is affected by it.

Now whether there is crit suppression for spells is another thing, so casters could be a little bit better. That said, if armor values are lower in classic than on most pservers, which is likely, the extra crit suppression doesn't mean much.

Regardless, warrs will be top dps.
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>>259101432
>3% dps
that's not how crit works, in reality it's closer to 2%
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ORC OR UNDEAD FOR DEMO LOCK?
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>>259101570
>ignores the much reduced threat tanks generate
so this the IQ of f*ry niggers
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>>259101570
the parry affects tanks. they'll have a harder time holding aggro and furys don't have an aggro reset
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>>259101547
Game isn't out yet and the beta servers closed
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>>259101570
Yeah we know, thats not the point retard. 10% parry increase means aggro generation for tanks is harder. Since fury warriors dont have threat reducing abilities, you either
>dont deal enough damage
or
>have to throttle your dps to not pull aggro

Fucking kindergarden in here.
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>>259101547
Classic was cancelled, sorry
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>>259101661
Then why did they get my hopes up...
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>>259101690
retailchads won again bros..
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I'm so glad warriors won't be able to """dps""" in Classic
this really balances the game by making sure all hybrids are on the same line and none of them can dps as it should be
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>>259101634
>>259101645
>>259101681
tanks will generate more threat due to having more parry haste
/wowg/ tranners get the rope first
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>>259101257
>>259086371
Didn't that Happy druid fag post about AoE casts delay like Flare or Blizzard being fixed? Really hope it will be the case not only for grind but also many uses in pvp to get a quick slow from afar or break a rogue vanish.
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>>259101681
>>259101634
>>259101645
I saw the skarm video too and he's a clueless private server retard, why are redditors so quick to believe anything with enough upvotes
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>>259101804
>if you don't hit your enemy you generate more threat
is this Canadian mmorpg design?
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>>259101823
I dont follow e-celebs, I dont know who that is. Ive been posting this for weeks here. Melees will suffer from the parry increase and crit reduction.

>>259101804
>tanks will generate more threat due to having more parry haste
Have sex
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>Trying to decide between warlock and hunter
>Basically just choosing between being shit at 60 and being good at 60
>Still can't fucking decide
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>>259101804
fury "tanks" however will generate 0.000000 threat
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>>259101906
no they wont
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>>259101951
Well that settles it then.
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>>259101908
warlocks get good later on, with t2.5 equip and better
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now that fury is no longer viable because of 15% parry what class do I roll bros?
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>>259101908
What?

Neither are shit at 60.
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>>259101951
cope harder fury nigger and learn how to tank because that's all you'll ever be doing
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So Classic Enhancement Shamans couldn't dual wield I guess? I only started playing during WoTLK.
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>>259102026
2h fury
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>>259101804
>parry haste
Parry-haste applies to the defender not the parried. It's the boss that will hit faster lmao. Furry niggers twisting mechanics in their favor. The amount of cope right there
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>>259102016
warlocks aren't viable either anymore because they have threat issues and tanks can't generate threat due to 15% parry
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>>259102061
Nope. Added in T(rash)B(itch)C(ucks).
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>>259102016
>with bloodvine and better
fixed
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>>259102061
even if they could you wouldn't want to do it anyway
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I wonder who's behind all this anti-Warrior shilling?

I thought I was the only one trying to make my class look bad so it's less populated
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>>259102061
Nope. They were also way more fun with 2 handers and big WF procs

I hate blizzards obsession with dual wield specs, another reason why newer WOW combat feels so much less satisfying is because every class is death by a million cuts instead of big visible hits and crits
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>>259102098
>>259102178
>>259102214
I wanted to make an elemental hybrid that used 2 spell daggers or something, always had that idea, I assume it would be terrible, but it seemed like fun.
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>>259102189
>gets btfo
>goes the /pol/ brainlet boogeyman route
Shocker.
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>>259102261
cope
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>>259102253
If you wanna meme it up as an ele sham. Check this out.
>https://classicdb.ch/?item=2243
Just keep in mind thats its an incredibly rare world drop that sells for usually the price of an epic mount on the ah (1000g).
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>>259102253
tbc prepatch some shamans actually tried that only to find out almost every caster weapon was changed to mainhand only
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>raid boss parry increased by 10%
>10% more chance to trigger the 40% swing timer reduction
>tanks take x% more damage
>tanks generate x% more rage
>tanks tps increases if not rage-capped (99% of raid fights since nost)
of course this falls apart when your healers are programming socks wearing /wowg/ trannies
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>>259102095
>warlocks aren't viable either anymore because they have threat issues and tanks can't generate threat due to 15% parry
Melees and rangeds require different amount of threat to pull aggro. Respectively 110% and 130%. On top of that casters can use Invulnerability Potion in case they do pull. Wars have no answer but to stop dpsing.
FURY KEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>259102425
private servers are overtuned, anyone that thinks Classic will be harder are delusional retail tranny
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>>259102446
but Warriors use invul pots too..
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>>259081434
erp is an esport

it's called being an author.
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GNOME MASTER RACE
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>X class is nerfed due to threat
>but not my class because only Warriors have threat
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>>259080923
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>>259102615
>my class has threat reduction skills
>my class has threat reduction talents
>my class doesnt base dps off of crits and non stop burst, rather through continuous steady dps

Kill
Your
Self
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>>259102673
stop posting, what's your agenda

Warriors aren't even top dps in AQ/Naxx, only MC/BWL/ZG
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>>259102546
>but Warriors use invul pots too..
If they are lucky to pull aggro between two swings and are quick enough MAYBE. But in reality they'll get bitch slapped the fuck out without having the time to realise.
>>259102615
can't read and cope
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>>259102728
Your reading comprehension is sub standard. Your RL int values are the same as a fury warrior's.
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Imagine having wasted years on retail to escape the reality of your sad life just to see it all crumble down because of official vanilla
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>>259102746
>Warriors can tank with dual wield fury no problem
>Warriors get one shot the instant they pull threat and can't time an invul pot
make up your mind already dumb anime tranny
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>>259102781
all my achievement pts
GONE
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>>259102780
seethe
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>>259102649
very empowering but I prefer play my skinny elf thanks!
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>FURY IS STILL VIABLE
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>>259102371
>>259102330
Wouldn't daggers work the best? I figure there would be some already made for mages and the like?

And I assume switching to a two-handed if in melee combat would be preferred
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>>259102807
>Warriors can tank with dual wield fury no problem
lmaooooo coping with nonesense. you're going to eat a huge ass crushing blow fury cuck and not going to survive with half your gear being leather. keep the cope going but reality will hit you HARD
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>>259102985
every Warrior should be tanking just like real Classic
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>>259102807
Not only that, but average geared tanks have a hard time generating rage because they mitigate too much
The only way to nerf melee dps would be to straight up remove all of their loot past mc
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>>259103012
>but muh funserver dw tanking!
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>>259103037
exactly, hybrid are not for dps
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>>259103082
except for druchads and starsharts of course
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>>259103119
dudu meme is so 50 threads ago, get on with the times
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>>259103012
>keep the cope going but reality will hit you HARD
40% of retail accounts permanently deleted?
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>>259103012
cope tranny
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guys nobody will actually move over to Classic from retail right?

just two classes viable for raiding and no free PvP respecs

Classic is DoA, Blizzard should cancel it
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>>259103207
>Can't deny my statements
>Resolve to buzzwords
PUT
ON
THE
SHIELD
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>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO TANK
>I'M A BIG BOY DPS JUST LOOK AT THESE METERS FROM PSERVER
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>>259102973
based
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>>259103302
that's very sad, if fury really isn't viable that means I'll have to put my Warrior on auto follow inbetween bosses since I don't do any damage anyway
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>>259103362
your fury will join ferals, rets, shadows and other meme specs at the bench
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>>259103449
but you need multiple tanks for every encounter, fury are already tanking half the time and still top the meters

don't even need to spec prot since fury does better TPS
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>>259103362
Guilds will still need to gear up atleast 4 warriors. Melee dps weapons (that are not 1H swords) have to go somewhere aswell. You'll be dpsing inbetween your offtanking but can't go all out like other classes. Furies will still be a thing but thinking they can safely top dps is pure delusion.
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>>259103507
how can fury be tanking half the time on the bench lmao
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>>259103603
>t. retard that watched an influencer video posted on reddit
stop talking about something when you have no clue
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>thinking fury will be allowed to DPS because of buggy private server
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>>259103641
replace the Rogues with Warriors, they do better damage, provide utility and share a lot of gear
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>>259103671
>>t. retard that watched an influencer video posted on reddit
>when every single video praises warrior scaling and dps
OH NONONONO
>>259103837
>Replacing Rogues with Warriors
maybe in another universe
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>>259103912
so you're agreeing Warrior dps are good on private and will be also on Classic?

oh you're a Rogue main...
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>>259103947
Never said warrior did bad dps. That was never the issue anon, threat is.
>Rogue main
nope
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>>259098057
>>259097950
nelf priest, nelf hunter
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>>259103362
Noone says theyre not viable. All specs can be viable. Were just pointing out that the current meta of "GOD FURY DPS" wont be the case in classic with real values. Theyll still be 3rd dps spot.
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where do I find flypath durations? I've been marking down kalimdor (on private servers), but no idea which is faster grom'gol -> kargath or UC -> kargath
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>>259104581
Re-evaluate your life
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>>259104581
sweetie all horde niggers will have their heartsone set to Kargath
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>>259103947
>private server values
>correct
O im laffin
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>classic is actually dying before it even launched
wtf bros, i thought it was our time
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>>259105620
real redpill is that wow was NEVER good
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>>259080773
depends.
drop some contact info.
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Classic bosses will have 0 armour with full debuffs up, compared to private servers with massively overtuned armour (patchwerk for example has an extra 1.8K on Lights Hope vs confirmed values from retail)

This means roughly 10% mitigation they have on private servers which they don’t have on classic. This counteracts the extra parry for tank threat, this more than counteracts the reduced crit chance for melee dps

Furthermore private server bosses had 0 resistance to magic schools, which devs have stated is not going to be the case
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>>259106394
Based retard poster
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>>259106469
>no argument
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>>259090003
dumbest post
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>>259106394
obviously, casters never were that good as they were on private servers
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>>259106480
Fun fact:
>You dont have to refute a nonsensical argument, thats clearly not based on anything other than conjecture, assumptions and half assed claims
You make the claim, you bring the evidence. Youre post is utter drivel. Come back when you have actual confirmed values aka when classic launches.
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>>259106394
Looks like the WARRIOR BVLLS are back in the game
m*ge virgins on suicide watch
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In case people are uninformed about how overtuned private server armour values were, you can read these which are supported by evidence from retail vanilla
https://github.com/LightsHope/issues/issues/1243
https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?issue=11532
https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?issue=11584
https://vanilla-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?issue=11519

tl;dr the vast majority of bosses (they’ve stated garr could be an exception with above average armour, bosses with mana pools will have less than 3700 but it’s irrelevant since it’ll be 0 anyway) will have 3700 armour instead of 4600 as they do on pservers. Armour debuffs are -2250(sunder), -600 (annihilator), -505(faerie fire), -640(curse of recklessness) which will bring it to 0
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>>259092102
>Leveling up is not enjoyable. It is a chore.
>t. exclusively grinded mobs to lvl40, does 'challenges' too with gameplay limitations during leveling.
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>>259106992
Post actual sources pls.
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>dwarf warrior
Looks cool. Kinda short though. Animations aren't the best.

>Human warrior
Armour fits well. Boring option.

>Tauren Warrior
Good animations. Armour fits poorly. Too big?

>Orc warrior
Looks good. Boring. Shoulders too big.
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>>259107086
They’re in the links.
youtube.com/watch?v=ML7VNN097AI
One of the sources is a video of a warrior in vanilla topping dps in 1.11 by the way, people have been insisting it never happened ITT
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>>259107110
choice should be obvious:
>night elf warrior
biggest weapon to body ratio
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>>259107238
Nono, I mean actual sources.
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>>259107110
most important question should be
>which one looks best with a shield
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What classes rely on respecs the least when switching from raiding to farming or pvp? Some classes sound fun until I realize I'll need to pay 100g every week and they don't farm very well to make it back.
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>>259107338
>biggest weapon to body ratio
It's femhuman by far tho
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>>259107509
Warlock, Hunter probably.
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>>259107509
SM/Ruin warlock
you are welcome, just saved you a 100g per week there buddy
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>>259107509
Unironically only hunter and combat sword rogue.

Depending on spec mages and warlocks, but its not a "jack of all trades" deal. Mages can be pvp or pve or aoe or arcane or fire specs. Similar to warlocks with SL, conflag, ruin etc...
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>>259107238
none of the mages is using fire, so can't be too sure
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>>259107386
Vanilla raids aren’t actual sources?
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>>259107028
For science / data, not enjoyment.
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>>259107509
Hunter (0/31/20 is good for pvp, raid specs are very similar, like 2/31/18, with a couple, non crucial talents being different)
Warlock can do ok, simply because they're powerful enough in pvp in the first place. SM/Ruin is good for raiding, and is good enough for pvp.
Holy paladin pvp and raid specs are close enough, but you won't be doing any solo farming with that.

Warrior is a no because you want to be arms for pvp stuff. Shaman is a no unless you actually get to raid as ele, in which case 30/0/21 works well for everything. Rogues are deep combat for pve, which isn't a particularly good pvp build. Priests are a bit of a mess. Maybe as shadow if you actually get to be a shadow priest (unlikely). Mages can make something work in the MC/BWL phase when they're frost, but it lacks a bunch of good stuff. Druids are a bit shafted unless you can raid as 1/29/21.
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>>259107689
>>259108185
>SM/Ruin is good for PvP
Cookie cutter to farm and raid. Better than DS/Ruin but GOOD at PvP? Hell no.
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>>259108185
>Warrior is a no
*sips*
actual vanilla warriors know this is not true
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>>259108326
>good enough
Read harder.

Warlock is a faceroll class so you can do anything with it and win.
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>>259108071
>the opinion of individuals is a source
>the source code isnt a source
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>>259108326
umm yes it is, I had great success with in both retail and pservers
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>>259108359
>spec that is mediocre at tanking, mediocre at dps and mediocre at pvp
You can make garbage specs like this with any class.
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>private servers are undertuned actual vanilla bosses had way more armor!!!!
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>>259108478
yes that's the point, works good enough at everything and saves you that 100g, there's a very good reason why 99% of warriros used that build
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>>259096817
>Also I'm full blown redpill so no "incel" about it.
That's not how this works, redditard.
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>>259107509
Hunter by a large margin followed by warlock and druid. Hunter pve and pvp specs are extremely similar and you don't lose very much if you want to pvp in your pve spec. There isn't really a hunter spec for farming that's important. You lose some pet survivability and Intimidation, that's kinda it.
The problem with warlock is that once you get geared, the pvp specs diverge quite a bit from what you raid as. If you're deep BWL/AQ40 geared and you aren't NF/Conflag for pvp, you're fucking up unless you're just talking about world pvp or something.
Druid with heart of the wild spec is my honorable mention because you can heal raids, do any role in 5 mans, and is decent-ish at everything. If your guild is serious at all you're probably going to be asked to respec when you start falling behind the other druids since hotw doesn't scale with gear as well as real healing specs. You can modify the real healing spec to make your dps a little better without actually losing anything for raiding but it won't be as good as HotW was.
>>259107734
The pve combat rogue spec is complete garbage in pvp, you will lose a 1v1 vs almost every class with it unless you overgear them hard or they're bad at pvp.
>>259108326
It will be fine until late phase 3/early phase 4. I wouldn't respec just for pvp until you're destro ready.
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>>259108592
It is, though. Once you know how the world and women work, you are no longer involuntary celibate. I can literally go get laid in minutes.
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The armour values are proved consistently for multiple bosses, and the values they had in vanilla are lower than what they have on private servers. It’s not resitricted to bosses either, people with access to the beta have been doing much more damage and levelling with much less trouble than their experiences in levelling zones over the past few years on private servers.

Just another case of made-up databases being inaccurate, only this time it’s a huge buff to melee for vanilla vs private server. People will go through the stages of denial for this but it doesn’t change the facts. Private servers had it wrong and vanilla wasn’t nearly as hard as the recreated versions.
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>>259108581
Any half decent guild will laugh at you if you try to raid as fucking arms. Windfury totem can only carry you for a little while until you start looking like a joke.
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Which DPS offers the best utility in 5-mans while leveling?
I loved jumping forms as a feral druid in tbc but I played enough of that back in the day and probably won't powerlevel in classic.
My only experience with actual vanilla was playing a nelf warrior just before tbc
I'm currently tempted between hunter and warlock for an off-tank pet when shitter warriors inevitably fuck up, but I'm not sure how well that works. Alternatively, does rogue have good in-combat utility or is it just sap from stealth?

>tldr best class for casual that isn't going to be a complete shitter and wants to do dungeons
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STOP POSTING ABOUT ARMOUR VALUES I WANT TO BE THE ONLY MELEE AND GET ALL THE LOOT
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>>259104390
>they'll be 3rd dps spot
so just like on private servers?

inb4 first page on legacylogs is all from MC so you assumed Warriors did 6k dps on all raid tiers
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>>259097954
comfy is just a code word for boring desu
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>>259108780
Mage
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>>259108780
warlock offers the best utility of all: summoning the lazy ass of the warrior
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>>259108908
>how to spot a virgin furry
>he plays dudu
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>>259108780
>hunter and warlock for an off-tank pet when shitter warriors inevitably fuck up
Pets can't hold aggro to save their lives
>does rogue have good in-combat utility or is it just sap from stealth?
PvE rogues don't spec into improved sap so sapping will just get you killed or require a vanish. Any utility you bring can be done better by another class, you're there for damage.
>tldr best class for casual that isn't going to be a complete shitter and wants to do dungeons
mage
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>>259108908
night elf
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>>259108551
this is from a private server, retard
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>>259109040
http://www.victorious-secret.org/printthread.php?tid=7475&page=2
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>>259091746
it's the stongest and most dynamic healing spec in the game for wpvp and bgs. Capable of 1v1s, bursts of 4-5k dmg in t2, and capable of any tanking outside of main tank in raids. i dunno you tell me
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guys I can't decide a class...
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>>259108603
>The pve combat rogue spec is complete garbage in pvp, you will lose a 1v1 vs almost every class with it unless you overgear them hard or they're bad at pvp.
No shit.
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>>259109158
and then the whole bus clapped
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>>259109164
Warrior
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>>259109164
Play shaman. Anti caster 1 shot class in PvP. Fun raid healing in PvE.
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>>259109443
>Anti caster 1 shot class in PvP
You're never going to get the gear to actually do this after the first 2 phases. None of your gear is itemized for hit either so enjoy your 7% chance to miss against players.
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>>259106394
>private server bosses had no resist
wow that makes sense, I'm going to go fire spec for rag next time

retard, private server bosses all have high resistance in all schools while in Classic each boss has different values. private server are overtuned
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>>259109443
>healing
>fun
you mean comfy
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>>259105140
tard fuck. I'm planning leveling not irrelevant "end game"
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>>259109754
>planning leveling
OH NONONONO
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>>259109845
>not using the subs only StaysafeTV speedleveling guide being updated hourly with new exploits/glitches
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What's the spell hitcap for casters against players?
>If the target is the same level as the caster, a spell has a base chance to hit of 96%.
Is this accurate? On henhouse I keep getting casual resists on my spells with a Mage despite having +6% hit with gear and enchants. Is there always a 1% chance to miss regardless?
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>>259109754
>planning leveling
It's going to take over 100 hours no matter what you do.
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>>259109993
3% hit is the cap at 60 since you can't go over 99%
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>>259109993
partial resist is not the same as a miss and isn't affected by +hit but both are reported as resist in combat log, very confusing!
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>>259109993
14%, this is why warlock dps suck so bad early, mages get welfare hit from talents while locks don't get shit and barely any gear has hit
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>>259110126
retard
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>>259110126
reading the question is too hard
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>>259110126
extremely low quality post
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>>259110115
why is reddit so much higher quality than cuckchan?
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>>259109993
>Is there always a 1% chance to miss regardless?
Correct, it's impossible to never miss. Your chance to hit will also still be lower than 99% in practice because of resistances. Go fight a paladin with frost resistance aura up and see how much fun you have.
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>>259110126
on the other hand warlocks gets more raw +dmg% scalars so it evens when you have enough hit. Mid AQ40 is when I and my locks became top dps in my old hc vanilla guild
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>>259110115
>r*ddit plays h*rde niggers
I know which faction I'm rolling
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>>259110332
Horde is the tranny faction
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>>259110416
well that explains it
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>>259110506
I miss tucker and FF
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>>259110506
did the creator of this image seriously think AV wasn't alliance favored
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>>259087475
keri sable
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>>259110506
>*Kills level 49*
>If you can't stand WPvP play on PvE
that's the horde I know and hate
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>>259106394
>Classic bosses will have 0 armour with full debuffs up

No one has that info
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>>259110680
retard
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>>259110747
retard
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>>259110587
>alliance favored
how so?
Horde starts closer to the enemy base and has the backdoor (ain't nobody got time to defend that). That initial advantage is balanced in part by the chockepoint and the bridge, I give you that, but nobody plays serious in turtle games anyway.
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How old were you when you realized Priest is the best class?
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>>259106394
in other words threat is going to be a huge pain in the ass compared to funservers, have fun stacking 20 fury warriors because funservers told you that's the 15 years of refined meta
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>>259110115
fucking boomers
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>>259111198
I don't know, the second picture is kinda funny
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should I level mage or warrior first

also, what professions on both of them?
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>>259109845
enjoy dying for days in STV while I breeze through that sweet Un'goro xp
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>>259111290
>I don't know, the second picture is kinda funny
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>>259111097
Enjoy not being able to farm gold
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>>259111701
>Enjoy not being able to farm gold
lol not immediately leveling an alt
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>>259112010
imagine wasting triple digit hours to do something you could have done with your first character if you didn't misclick on class select
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>>259111701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aY-PaThavU
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>>259112113
>imagine wasting
lol leveling is literally the best part of the game
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>one day left of beta
>still no beta
they will make a surprise stress test right?
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>>259112132
>private server
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>>259112265
when were you diagnosed with autism
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>>259112265
leveling is comfy
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should I level mage or warrior first

also, what professions on both of them?
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>>259090943
unironically based reddit post
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Why the fuck is there no highrate vanilla server, wish feenix warsong was still around
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>>259092551
>keyboard turn
holy shit i remember this being a thing
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>>259107110
>Too big?
Too big for what?

>Shoulders too big.
But big shoulders are the most important part of WoW aesthetics.
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>>259090943
I remember only having two characters at 60 because I fucking hated leveling. You don't speak for everyone.
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>>259112769
finally someone who understands
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>>259112614
private servers are high rate by default, and Classic leveling was always a meme relative to real MMOs
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>>259090943
this, this so much this!! stop minmaxing the game you only get to reexperience Classic leveling once
don't ruin the journey for yourself
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>>259112964
try harder, you're laying it on too thick
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>>259112881
>private servers are high rate by default
what
also vanilla leveling was easier than, lets say, l2 because the whole game was endgame focused
getting to 60 its kind of a minigame
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>>259110117
Meant full resist. That's affected by +hit right? Spell miss & resist is quite confusing indeed.
>>259110126
>14%
You're probably talking about raid boss which are considered a target with +3 levels. In that case the chance to hit is 83%. Making the spellhit cap 16% if I'm not mistaken.
>>259110265
>Your chance to hit will also still be lower than 99% in practice because of resistances
This is where it gets a bit confusing. If I get it right the school resistance is factored AFTER the hit calculation. Meaning +hit will barely tone it down. Spell penetration is actually so strong but I've only seen it on r13 and T2.5 shoulders.
Here is the article I'm using as reference btw : https://classic-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Spell_Hit_Chance
>paladin with frost resistance aura
Def going alliance cuz of those mofos. Doubt shamans often drop resist totems.
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>>259113002
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>>259113082
>Spell penetration is actually so strong but I've only seen it on r13 and T2.5 shoulders.
AV ring comes with spell pen. Besides that and r13 shoulders, you mainly get it from AQ/Naxx gear.
https://classic.wowhead.com/items?filter=94;2;5
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>>259112132
I'm gonna keep note of this one and check back in a couple months to see if it pans out on live. Who knows what's changed on private servers.
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UD Rogue with Thunderfury.
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>>259113201
>All that spell pene on Frostfire
Jeeez mages must be going bonkers with T3 + AQ gear. Warlocks get a lot aswell in AQ but it ain't PvE bis iirc. They got CoE / CoS tho.
Anyway thanks for the help anon
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>>259112881
>private servers are high rate by default
That's not how it is for vanilla servers, nearly all of them are 1x.
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>>259114003
it is for nostcore, the rates are completely off

anyone that played the beta can confirm leveling is slower
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>>259090943
I couldn't do this even back then. dying over and over in the beta just because some retard rogue didn't pick up a real pvp game

t. server first
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Protip: Do NOT roll a Mage. You will legit want to kill yourself once you realize what Mage raiding is like.
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>>259113073
>leveling is a minigame
can't agree more, they should have a instant 60 option for people that have already gone through leveling content a hundred times on private
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Protip: Do NOT roll a Rogue. You will legit want to kill yourself once you realize what Rogue raiding is like.
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>>259106394
Blue post stating bosses have 0 armor?

To my knowledge pservers have been using the wrong armor reduction spell effects. Things like sunder armor, faerie fire, and expose armor all stacked additively because they didn't know how the effects interacted. It's much more likely that Classic bosses will have more armor than pservers, not less because of this. All pserver bosses had 0 armor due to these abilities.
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>>259114221
What's wrong with Rogue raiding?
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>>259114394
do NOT roll Rogue
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>>259114221
I'm looking forward to all the rogues who remember rogues being ganklords and then realizing rogues lose most 1v1 matchups unless they're pvp specced with every cooldown up
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>>259114118
>Download Water Dispenser add-on
>Make castsequence macros for water/food
should work now, r-right?
>Bind frostbolt to mouse scroll
>Turn-off brain
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>>259114420
>needing macros for frostbolt spam
also you don't need food for raids, only water
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>>259114486
>>needing macros for frostbolt spam
Didn't say that but actually if castsequence is a thing, why not?
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>>259114394
Rolling on gear against meme warrior, onions hunters, and cuck druids.
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>>259114256
See >>259108551 and >>259106992

Bosses have ~3700 armor. Sunder is 450*5=2250, CoR 640, FF 505, Annihilator 600. Total 3995. 3995 > 3700, so we're left with 0 armor.

>all stacked additively because they didn't know how the effects interacted
How else do you think they'd stack? We're not dealing with percentages here, so it's not an issue of whether things stack multiplicatively or additively. And the effects stacking is very obvious from all the raiding footage there is, since all you need is a warrior using bloodthirst (which has static damage) with different armor debuffs up. There is a ton of footage about this.

And no, pservers have used significantly inflated armor values, in the range of 5000, which meant you couldn't get their armor anywhere near 0. It'd be stuck in the region of ~1000.
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>He isn't using macros to raid.
Are you stupid?
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Name a more comfy starting zone than Dun Morough

protip: you can’t
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>>259114394
It's legitimately more fun to play a class that just mashes 1 button.
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>tfw you control the market of something people need to level their profession to max
nothing personelle kid
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>>259090943
best post in the entire thread
>its from reddit
lmao of course
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>>259111097
giv jada pusy
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>>259115047
God I HATE autists buying limited recipes. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea???
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>>259115071
how many hours are you people going to get into leveling before you realize you can't relive the past as it originally happened and you've seen this all before
>>259115282
it's more time efficient to just farm non-dungeon patterns yourself over spending the amount of gold people are asking for a lot of the time in vanilla
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>>259115365
>it's more time efficient to just farm non-dungeon patterns
Hmm.. What are you talking about? Usually I skip those NPC sold patterns by buying world drop ones from AH.
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>all the butthurt fotm reddit hunters seething about blizzlike behavior
loving
every
laugh
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>>259115493
robe of winter night pattern immediately comes to mind as one that takes less time to farm than it would to farm the gold to buy it
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>>259115651
Being able to walk over traps while mounted/swiftness potted/etc. wasn't what vanilla was like. Everything else in the post is blizzlike.
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>>259115651
I dont get it, what happened now?

Nothing?
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>healer running BRD
>have crappy quest green leggings
>haunting specter leggings drop (+28 spi, +12 int)
>win roll
>later on, senior designer leggings drop (+18 spi, +8 sta, +7 int, +40 healing)
>win roll
>druid and pally both go apeshit that i rolled on the second healer leggings after winning the first

Literally who was in the wrong here?
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is there a good warlock enslave demon gold farming method? like enslave the elite demons in winterspring and use them as a tank to farm felcloth?
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>>259115714
But I'm talking about NPC sold limited recipes? Because anon talked about "something people need to level their profession". Not the case of RoW. What's up with all the reading comprehension from my posts itt?
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>>259115874
I misread his post
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>>259115827
The "dps" hybrids ofc.
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>>259115827
You did nothing wrong, an upgrade is an upgrade no matter what the circumstance
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>>259084994
Sorry for the late reply, but I posted then went to bed.

Its painfully slow. the only downtime is every 2-3 mobs you have to sit and drink, or judge wisdom and auto attack and gain mana back.

Paladins don't have fantastic throughput to heal multiple people or heal quickly. Dungeons are meant to be a little faster, and the other 4 are going to get frustrated because you have shitty gear, low heals, and OOMing every pull.

>less tolerance for retarded dps
most dps in this game is retarded.

If for some reason you have reasonably decent gear then yeah its no problem. But realistically if you're leveling ret to 50+, how much healing gear do you actually have? You're not collecting shit when someone else has been healing you in dungeons, and you don't get many healing rewards through quests.
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>>259115827
They have a right to be annoyed since they need healing gear to raid but you're pugging, none of you are friends.
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>>259116137
they should heal if they want healing gear. simple as.
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>>259115820
show me one clip from the beta where that happens. and don't you dare to post the perplexity clip where he needs 50 tries to abuse server position updates by standing at the perfect position AND not changing direction/moving camera to avoid sending more position updates
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>>259116206
>show me one clip from the beta where that happens
>except the clips from the beta where that happens
ok
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>>259116205
2 classes that cannot level using spellpower
>well why aren't you healing then?
Because they can't heal BRD naked or in str/agi gear.
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>>259115651
I'm strongly thinking about rolling Warlock since Blizzard has a stupid delay...
Will it be fix? Is it really supposed to be this bad?Was Dire Maul aoe farm a thing back in the days? I can't find any video about it other than pservers
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>>259116206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LNOQIF7HBc#t=16m42s
this post annoyed me enough so I'll actually post a non-perp clip
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>>259116445
uhh this isn't wotlk. spellpower isn't a stat and level ~55 gear has little to no +healing. so yes, they can heal with str/agi gear
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>>259114768
>Bosses have ~3700 armor.
You don’t know that. No one in beta had access to raid bosses.
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>>259116442
>retard upset because he doesn't understand what's happening in the clip and thus cucks himself out of rolling the retard class
based retard

>>259116626
the trap went off? what's the problem, idiot? the delay is just because of spell batching and he couldn't have moved out in time anyway
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>>259116832
>the delay is just because of spell batching
The trap doesn't go off for nearly 2s after he first touches it. He needed to walk over it multiple times before it actually registered.
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Everybody talks shit until they get hit by a mortal strike crit.
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>>259116991
There was a bluepost outlining that hunters are the buggiest class right now. If they're moving fast (like a warrior charge) the trap should not get them, but the trap radius is known to be fucked.
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>>259116786
Go make a 60 on retrowow and see how much throughput you can do with no int or spirit on your gear. You'll oom on every pull if you can even get your tank through that one pull.
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Has anyone ever received an angry letter from your AH shenanigans? Flipping/merchanting/monopolizing/etc? I've only received one letter and it was positive. Enchanted leather was constantly being bought out and the price tripled by some guy, so I fought a weeks-long battle of putting my enchanted leather just under his price, having him buy me out, rinse and repeat. After tens of thousands of gold in transactions, eventually he have up and enchanted leather returned a normal price (that I set and continued to provide until TBC). One guy eventually wrote me a letter saying thanks for lowering the price of enchanted leather along with a cash stack of 50g which he said he made from leatherworking as a result of my lower price.
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>>259116991
you can't go off the visual effect and determine that this is when the trap actually went off. but you're right, it's not the spell batching only. it's the same as in the perplexity clip, he doesn't move his camera or change walking direction (because he's a garbage bot) and thus triggers no position updates to the server for a second or two.
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>>259117241
>go on this funserver and learn about that game you played for real a decade and a half ago
hahahahaha ok there wrathbab
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>>259116553
Nevermind found something interesting. This dude doesn't go to Dire Maul in the video but he farms on a bunch of very popular spots.
https://youtu.be/yMeBA0D1LJY?t=743
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>>259117273
fuck off
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>>259117521
rude, go back to arguing about trannies
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>>259116813
weaker in duels, but frost+entanglement still owns. I'm sure the damage is done and a lot of people jumped ship because of that and leeway
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>>259117172
hunters and warlocks both
if you thought the pet behaviour on some of the private servers you havent seen nothing
it's a wonder they managed to fuck it up this badly somehow
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>>259117241
Been using it 17 years. Had rendering problems out of the blue and spent 30 hours resolving it. (Now having to render as .mp4 than .wmv)

I originally started with Premiere Pro but all the hip cool PvP'ers used Vegas so I switched over. Now I want to switch back cause 99% of top youtubers use premiere.
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>>259117389
I can't imagine playing vanilla rogue and not going prep and cold blood, I grew up playing that shit. I wouldn't even level as combat if I go Rogue on launch-- maybe I'll dump the first 8 points into improved gouge, 2/5 dodge, and 3/3 improved backstab, but I'll never go deep than that.
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>>259116991
It’s the best spec for pve so yeah
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>>259117521
>self sustained
For what?

>viable
For what?
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>>259116095
>Clearing difficult dungeons requires deliberate and careful gameplay
>No sharding

oh nononono
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>>259115847
there's no point comparing western games to Korean MMO
most people stay away from weebshit, it's completely different audience
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>>259116813
The evidence is overwhelming. From beast lore to calculations based on abilities with static damage. Iirc there's also a wow guide that stated the armor of some bosses. Physical damage classes will be doing some 10% extra damage because of that. Rip casters.

But you can bury your head in the sand if you want. It's not going to change a thing. Maybe you can join the crowd of "blizzard doesn't actually have a 1.12 reference client, they're simply lying about it and that's why things are wrong" soon.
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I'm either going crazy or half of this thread is people replying to the wrong post.
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>>259115931
Actually nvm they should have swapped ROGUE for mage with nelves.
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>>259115994
Furthermore, Tyrande exiled the magic practicioners.
Wow, so them doing magic somewhere else on the planet won't attract demons, huh?

I don't know man, the whole story seems stupid as hell to me.
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friendly reminder to just spend 60 levels suffering through priest and avoid all these conversations about meta and viability
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>>259116442

>magical affinity is mostly genetics
if that was true than just about anyone would be able to practice Arcane magic and all the infrastructure would be wasted.

That's also not how humans got Arcane magic, humans got AM by allying with High Elves that were losing badly against Amani Trolls, and humans turned the tide of war. In exchange High Elves agreed to teach 100 humans Arcane magic thinking "what's the harm".

If arcane was just genetics humans wouldn't have needed High Elves to teach them in the first place, and mages wouldn't canonically read libraries worth of books in their pursuit of the arcane.
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>>259116137

Problem is they keep changing stuff from before his death as well as stuff from after his death. Blizzard is worse than George Lucas is just leaving good lore be.
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>>259118781
but how viable IS shadow...
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>>259118559
Looks like a copycat of the autist from /gw2g/. Guy singlehandedly killed their general and forced them to move to discord. Had a bot that would detect the general, then pick random posts from other threads and reply to random posts with said posts.

I mean it could be the same guy too, but I doubt it.
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>>259118781
>imagine not having at least 4 friends who have all been gladiator at one point or another to roll 75% of the enemy faction with.
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>>259118873
I had a guy in my guild who played an orc who would always call me puny elf and sexually harass me
I miss him desu
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>>259118559
It will just be some autist spamming
https://wowg.fandom.com/wiki/Shitposting_guide
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>>259116445
Why is someone not liking spell batching triggering you so much, it's in the game so you win regardless
Is it just "old thing good" autism?
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>>259118954
ugh go be chads somewhere else -.-
don't you have drive to be funneling into actual productivity? -.-
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>>259118873
just heal, they'll always need you if you just heal
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bros i want a fem ud gf
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>>259119175
>>259119062
>>259118954
>>259118864
>>259118784
>>259118672
Reminder to report for spamming/flooding.
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>>259115651
What are you gonna play? I plan on Playing a Troll Priest! I'm interested in trying out a Spirit Tap/Spiritual Guidance build this time around.
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Wow Classic will tank
After you kill Kel'thuzad 2 years from now you will get bored and quit Classic.
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>>259119230
I would be fine healing if respec costs didn't fuck me for farming
PvE is just making a meter go up or down until the loot drops
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>>259118920
doing ok just started the crock pot. Italian creamy chicken over rice m8. Ittl be ready in 6 hours. Just wasting away prepping my battle station till classic. How are you, anon?
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>>259119275
ok soda
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>>259119294
>Although OSRS has a small team of developers relative to that of the live version of RuneScape, it receives regular patches and new content of that of a flagship product. Most updates and changes are polled, and can be voted on in-game. The proposed updates are voted on by players, and are only implemented if 75 percent of paying players accept them.
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>>259119263
enjoy your aids
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>>259119263
>wanting rotten maggot vagina
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>>259119514
You retards hate every part of WoW's history except for vanilla. Why do you think anything they make could satisfy you?
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>>259108908
Nelf obviously.
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>>259119514
World of Warcraft Classic is time capsule do really think Blizzard will allow players to vote for content.
While people like Bobby are in charge :)
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I hope the streamers do something awesome today since the beta is closing!
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>>259119263
Fem orc is best. Imagine going on an adventure with one that’s initally cold to you but you fall in love and have a half breed child after emergency snu snu in a harsh winter. Amazing.
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>>259111097
21 actually.
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>>259119514
So, whatever streamers want, as their drones will follow it blindly?
Joking, that would be nice.
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>>259119514
Maybe they should introduce that a year after the game's release, or later.
We need to make sure all of the zoomers and retailfags are gone.
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>>259121540
see >>259119736
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>>259119514
this is why we need Classic +

just OSRS my shit up f a m
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>>259121540
the people that want Classic+ won't play Classic, there's no harm in them releasing it early

Classic is great for nostalgia but has no longevity, see link related for constructive points on why wow Classic will fail without patched content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLRNd-ovssw
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>>259121567
And that is related somehow?
You know what I like and what I hate?
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>>259120417
>time capsule
lmao that's literally a marketing angle
The fact that it's actiblizzard is exactly why the game will try anything to retain players if enough interest is generated during the vanilla phase
They aren't going to turn down the potential for sub money just to keep some "time capsule" purity going if they can't get players to switch to retail
The actual risk is that they just release BC/Wrath again and we've effectively learned nothing from WoW's lifespan

>>259121540
Going to take that long for vanilla to go through all its phases anyway
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>Finally decided on my class and race
The only thing that could change it is if a bunch of irl friends rejoin
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>>259121737
false flag a little too obvious, maybe should have found a different youtube video
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https://www.twitch.tv/asmongold
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>>259121897
ignore the thumbnail, asmongold may be an annoying sperg and react hard for views but he knows the twitch meta, Classic won't be top of twitch after the initial hype wears off
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>>259122003
now THAT'S autism!
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>>259121795
>The actual risk is that they just release BC/Wrath again and we've effectively learned nothing from WoW's lifespan
By far the largest population private server is a wrath server. People in here can laugh at wrathbabs all they want but /vg/ is an insignificant microcosm in compared to the game communities any general is a part of. People would scramble for TBC and Wrath classic servers just as you are now, except those expansions had more players to begin with. Blizzard will be more than happy to take the easy way out and just release them with #nochanges too if vanilla works out.
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>>259121954
Ye I mean WoW's success peaked during the streaming era that's well known.
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>>259121812
>friends want to play classic
>they already called all the classes I want to play before I knew the gang was getting back together and will get buttmad if I copy one of them
it hurts
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>>259122219
streaming and arena pretty much made wow, BC wasn't even a good expansion but it was the peak player retention
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>>259122202
idk that one big poll on desired features had flying right at the bottom
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>>259122354
>streaming and arena pretty much made wow
Of course dude, of course. WoW's success is all due to Sodapoppin :DDD
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>>259122325
Seeing two of one class together is absolute fucking soul
This is why people loved seeing the ooga gang
Double mage was straight up viable for minigames
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>>259122202
WotLK is the expansion for those that can't afford retail, since it's enough nu-wow to be indistinguishable from retail

meanwhile BC is just literal dogshit and doesn't appeal to any audience
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>>259115827
>get non-bis upg from raid
>Next raid
>bis item drops
>"you cant get this you got the other item"

anything goes for bis items, people are just retarded. Especially most shit guilds who do LC just because its what the big boy guilds do
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>>259122424
this but unironically, he was streaming back in the day on xfire, he's a baller OG
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>>259122354
>streaming in 2007
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>>259122219
>>259122354
do you guys seriously think that the reason WoW succeeded in the mid 2000s was because of livestreaming
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>>259122551
all the top guild like Method use Loot Council

not copying successful guilds is a surefire recipe for disaster
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>>259121795
World of Warcraft needs a prequel, not wireless.
They held back on Classic World of Warcraft years, despite having a large player base wanting to play it.
But Blizzard does not want to create new content that means they put resources and manpower into the game that they aren't willing to do
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>>259122715
That was 2013?
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>>259122715
>rereleases*
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>>259122648
Of course !!! Streaming was so BIG back in TBC / WOTLK right :DDD thanks sodapoppin XD
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>>259122325
>not just choosing your class and then mogging your other friend
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>>259122551
Bosses in vanilla drop 2-3 pieces of loot for a raid of 40 people. No one gives a shit about you in particular, it's about the strength of the raid as a whole. If it were a competent loot council then the reason you got the non-bis item is because you weren't going to get the bis one anyway.
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>>259122648
obviously during Classic wow got popular because of the success of Warcraft 3

after that there was nothing keeping people interested except arena and esports events since Outland expac was so uninteresting and put new players off getting into the game
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>>259122678
not even recognizing BiS items, and treating any epic item the same is a huge problem if you run lc. Any1 who oppose an incompetent LC is just a "loot whore" its pathetic
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>>259122853
you weren't even born before the time of twitch, nice cope millennial
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>>259122461
>>259122871
I have no problem rolling a duplicate but the person whose class I want to play will 100% sperg out about it which will be more trouble than it's worth
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>>259122715
Blizzard won't make Classic

they can't affort to put anyone on a project away from retail, it would take away content from the live game
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>>259122793
What is the point of continuing to play Classic after 2 years after launch?
They have not announced they would follow the model of OSRS as one mention earlier so
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>>259123006
Subscribed XDD
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>>259122894
>purples are about 'the greater good of the guild'
that's why the gear is going to GMs anime discord girlfriend and not you, yup yup!
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>>259123210
what's the point even getting invested in Classic when you already know the game will end in 2 years and everyone is going to quit

having the game die is no different from having your character deleted on a private server
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>>259123223
I said competent loot council
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>>259123251
cata was objectively the peak sub count, peak quality of game

if only they didn't nerf everything to hell after wotlkbabs threw a tantrum on forums over high difficulty
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I have a bigger dick in real life than at least 60% of you
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>>259123408
that's an oxymoron, like white American

you can count on your hands the amount of world first guilds that actually use loot council the way it's intended to work
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>>259123452
The sub count nosedived fairly immediately after being strong for all of wotlk, it was going to happen anyway. Even if people wanted 5 mans to be similar to TBC again (having a focus polymorph macro isn't exactly high execution) the class changes alone repulsed a lot of people.
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>>259123082
fuck them, give them a lesson
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>>259122894
see >>259122934

obviously it depends on a lot of factors, but if you're set up to get dft, a nonbis item will NEVER affect the fact that you get dft in a competent LC
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>>259123650
>BC heroics aren't exactly high execution
spoken like a true Wrath player
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>>259123748
Maybe if you were a retard who joined groups that had no CC
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>>259123874
retard
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>>259123686
Why is everyone replying to me not reading the part where I say
>If it were a competent loot council then the reason you got the non-bis item is because you weren't going to get the bis one anyway.
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>>259123356
Yep because Bobby can make that decision can do that too If the Classic isn't profitable :)
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Where's that dang "what would you want added" poll?
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>>259124154
you're not competent nor are you in the loot council of a guild run by the kinds of cliques that makes LC guilds when they're not a competitive progression guild
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>>259123521
OwO
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>>259124676
we the community need to poll on what we want added to Classic, same way it's done on OSRS
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>>259123521
H-hot. I love being the smallest dick around.
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>>259124830
is that a guy?
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>>259124713
And that's why I stay away from LC guilds myself in favor of DKP/EPGP. If someone can't see that the loot council is being mismanaged then its their fault they get dicked by the loot decisions.
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>>259124813
no thats shit, osrs is full of QoL updates that sound good until it completely change how you move around in the game.

They changed your loot work on death, to be fair it was because of ddosing etc, but it's just not the same game anymore. You can never lose your gear anymore unless you go wildy
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>>259124945
yes
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>>259124945
yes
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>>259124945
No Belle Delphine she's the whore that sold bathwater.
https://youtu.be/s-S-GZU2cYY
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>>259124968
best part of LC guild is you can surround yourself with sycophant bootlickers

anyone with any self-awareness will quit sooner or later and get replaced easily since there's always lots of people looking for guild
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>>259124813
>same way it's done on OSRS
OSRS plays nothing like what old runescape did. The entire campaign behind classic been #nochanges so don't expect this to happen.
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>>259081264
That's all fine and dandy but... sauce, if you please
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>>259125210
I thought everyone loves OSRS?

Blizzard should do whatever they are doing to runescape, they can add all the changes the community wants without losing authentic Classic feel
everyone wins in this situation
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>>259125253
that's me
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>>259125329
If you want to play Classic with changes that community wanted, you can play Retail.
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>>259125329
>Blizzard should do whatever they are doing to runescape, they can add all the changes the community wants without losing authentic Classic feel
As I said in my first post, OSRS doesn't fit this criteria. They've added so many changes that it's a distinctly different feel. As for whether or not people like OSRS, I never commented on that.
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>>259125571
retail is not Classic
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>>259125329
Yes, we do he either didn't play classic Runescape that was shutdown while back.
OSRS is receiving updates by player votes
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>>259125815
I never gave an opinion about the quality of OSRS. All I said was it feels much different compared to the game I was playing 15 years ago.
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>>259126063
and the current game is better because of QoL, it only adds to the experience
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>>259126063
Just like Wow Classic won't be the same game from 15 years ago :)
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I hate Classic but I'm really looking forward to Classic +
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>>259126126
I haven't refuted this in any of my posts.
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OSRS is unrecognizable trash at this point. If Classic+ ever in the vein of OSRS became a thing autismos would want purist servers or start going back to eternal fresh private servers.
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Imagine thinking classic+ would affect all servers instead of having dedicated separate servers
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>>259126295
said no one
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>>259126461
Classic will die without content patches, Classic+ is inevitable if the base game is successful
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>>259126558
oh yeah gotta spread that non existent classic playerbase as thin as possible
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>>259103003
Spell daggers are main-hand and shamans don't have dual wield in Classic, ya idjit
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>>259126461
Purist servers are a given regardless of if it's BC or C+ after Naxx
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Its over incels, even daddy Asmon doesn't like this shit game anymore, just give up and go buy a fucking rope faggots
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>>259126621
Just do rolling fresh servers
Anyone with a KT kill can unlock a no armor or TCG mount on the next fresh as a prestige
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>retail trannies terrified of Classic+
how does it feel knowing Blizzard is taking away resources from retail to develop fresh content for a more successful game?
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>>259124968
I miss the silly interactions from dkp systems. I want to be yelled at by my GM again because everyone in my class is refusing to bid on tier pieces because we're all saving for something else
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>>259101908
Hunters are extremely useful at 60 if your metric is that they arent top 3 dps then classic isn't the game for you
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>>259126773
> at least 2 years between launch and naxx opening
>already want more
have sex
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>>259126671
>tfw non existent
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>>259126704
>>259126558
there will always be a dead 500 pop player server with Classic- that no streamers play

have fun not having fun incel
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>>259126773
classic+ is just going to be tbc
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>>259126867
take it again at level 60
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>>259126867
just looking at that image I can literally hear the general chat begging for asmongold layer
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>>259126902
rent free
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>>259126865
>wanting to spend next 10 years farming Naxx over and over like private server
have sex
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>>259080595
[EU-Alliance]<No Fun Allowed>[Unknown PvP server] is recruiting!

Our goal is to play the game and talk about it, instead of shitposting about the latest wpsg/wowg drama and other guilds.
We are currently the largest guild on this board by far.
We are not a pure /vg/ guild.

If you are interested you can read more about us and apply at:
https://nofunallowed.azurewebsites.net/home
Or join our discord:
https://discord.gg/Cg5SAr4

We are looking forward to playing with you!
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Asmongold is an autistic withered cuck who complains about racism and says his own opinion about Twitch doesn't matter.

Why would anyone watch this turd, let alone give him money?
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>>259127151
based
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>>259127231
>why would anyone watch someone else play their video games
low test I assume, they can relate to asmongold since he literally has gyno
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>>259124968
I really wish GDKP was more popular. That loot system is based for pugs and motivating the gearedfags into running content they don't need but poorfags always complain hard about paying for loot.

Plus GMs on their period will call it gambling as an excuse to ban someone. It sucks.
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>>259127231
>complains about racism
the guy with characters named after a right wing mass shooter and a rank in the KKK?
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>>259127421
He also bans people for saying "What up my nagas" in the chat.
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>>259127421
yes asmongold is a liberal social justice antifa sperg
don't watch him if you don't want to get brainwashed by the left
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>>259127421
asmon is the oldschool ironic kind of edgy not the new wave unironic stormfag kind of edgy
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>>259127378
>Plus GMs on their period will call it gambling as an excuse to ban someone. It sucks.
Did this actually happen at some point? The last time I was part of a weekly GDKP group was ICC patch in wotlk
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>>259127516
nigger stole my bike lol

haha get it? n i g g e r
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>>259127609
>anyone who isn't a self-hating omega male cuckold is a stormfag
Lol, ok.
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>>259127378
>pay pigs banned when gold tokens exist
I get it you want to buy gear but you have nothing to worry about piggy
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>>259127421
he's a commie faggot pretending to be otherwise for views
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>>259127740
ok go back to reddlt leftie pol tranny
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>>259127809
I knew it, that explains why I'm banned in his chat

I can't even donate because of it, unironically going to unsub next month with my prime sub
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>>259127740
Saying "degeneracy" used to get you laughed out of /pol/ for being such a tryhard stormfag
It absolutely isn't oldschool, your 25 year old zoomer ass just wasn't around then
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>>259127951
>reading comprehension
the leftie pol tranny here is you
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>>259128198
what does this graph mean? not a fucking nerd
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>>259127809
I'm fairly sure he's a Trump supporter, but he's terrified of his chat getting out of control with racism.
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>>259128552
he's lying about supporting trump, he's always banning people in his chat for racism
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>>259128198
Right, fuck me for not being 40 years old, lmao.
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>>259128552
>>259128673
>but he's terrified of his chat getting out of control with racism.
Twitch cracks down on this and will punish you if you don't look like you're trying to do anything about it. If you know what Asmon was famous for in the WoW community before he became a streamer (being a fucking loser who recorded videos showing his apartment that was literally completely covered in garbage and mold) then you would know his success on twitch is quite likely the most successful he will ever be in his life. He won't jeopardize it.
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>>259128767
Actually you must be 50 years old or over to post here
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>>259128926
asmongold is not right wing, he's antifa and whiteknights tranny streamers
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>>259128673
Not the dorks you're arguing with and couldn't give a fuck about Asmongold, but whatever his personal beliefs or politics are of course he's going to attempt to have his mods ban racism in his chat at his fucking job.
This is how he pays his faggot rent. You don't "keep it real" with your job. If you whine to everyone in your taco bell line about niggers you end up fired.

Aside all of that, the fact that you absolute fat dorks can't separate politics from comfy 30 year old mmorpgs is alarming. You're no better than the cumbrain zoomers who can't turn in a few quests without alt-tabbing to discord to type something "lewd" to some other fat faggot using an anime girl avatar.
If you need some safespace e-celeb chatroom then you're obviously no better than whichever group you're obsessed with maligning. What a complete literal homosexual attitude.
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>>259129029
>defending liberals
reddit is that way, xir
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any alliance guilds recruiting a proud cuck? I plan on playing a human paladin
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>>259129281
haha ebin funny every time you post it
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>>259129281
seething hordelet. we know you love being trained by freedom warriors hmhm
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What is the best hunter spec for:
>max level farming?
>raiding?
>PVP?
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>>259129739
beast mastery
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>>259129739
Warrior
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>>259129739
Don't play hunter
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EU-PVP Alliance Guild <Dawn> is recruiting! We are not a tranny guild, we are not a reddit guild, in fact, we are not a guild at all yet. It's just me and a couple of friends, but maybe we can get together a few players before launch and have some (non-degenerate) fun together in Classic.
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I can't decided class?
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>>259129962
Why not?
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>>259130046
fuck off
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>>259130046
Here's the discord: https://discord.gg/BUngfh
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>>259130097
seethe
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>>259130056
From my experience, indecision for this kind of thing usually indicates a weak desire to actually play the game rather than being overwhelmed by choices.
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>>259130248
I want to beat Classic just to see what the fuss is about, I don't particularly care about minmaxing or becoming a ranker PvP neckbear
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>>259125478
post more pictures of ""yourself""
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>>259130414
I will maybe if you stop faggot quoting and ask nicely
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>>259081260
why would you include pandaria when this is a prime opportunity to erase that mistake?
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>>259130056
just bee yourself dude
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>>259130705
>why would you not erase the best PvP expac and best raid
retard
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>>259130825
I really wish the mechanics of pandaria were in literally any other expansion artistically
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>>259130578
Post them.
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>>259130825
i stopped playing wow after wotlk, but idk if that makes up for pandas. what was so great about the pvp in pandaria?
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>>259131630
it was ‘dude muh arenas!!!!!’ garbage, a large population of current players started in mop and think its the best shit ever. it wasn’t
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>>259131691
>started in WotLK
>dude muh arenas!!!!
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>>259130329
That should only make it easier
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>>259131796
the fuck are you fucking talking about?
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>>259131834
cope
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>>259118392
I don't understand what you're trying to convey.
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>>259131916
so can you explain what was so good about pvp in pandaria then?
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>>259131916
Whatever bro.
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Is this is a decent raiding/pvp build for warlock?
I figured I'd just be dropping be dick shadowbolt nukes with this build?
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>>259132120
looks good
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>>259132120
fuck casting corruption tbqh
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>>259132120
Why do you need 5/5 embrace there? It doesn't affect shadow bolt, which is basically 100% of your damage.
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>>259131962
ignore it, we had a schizoposter before
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>>259132120
try to use your brain next time
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>>259132298
okay schizo
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>>259132237
>>259132275
isn't there a cap on debuffs in vanilla raids? figured i'd just be dropping curse of elements or whatever, not corruption.
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>>259132120
that's not the build at all retard
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>>259132404
yeah but you said pvp too
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>>259132120
nobody will take a meme build to raid in Classic
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>>259132275
>5/5 embrace
where should those 5 points be spent to better affect raiding or pvp?
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>>259131630
Ignoring the panda part, MoP was the last time rated pvp was worth a shit. It certainly wasn't perfect and obviously not "balanced" since that's a meme, but it came as close as it's ever been.
It was also the last time the game was fun anyhow but that's of course a subjective opinion. I'd classify WoW history into three segments: 1)vanilla/tbc/early-mid-wrath, 2)late wrath/cata/mop, 3)wod/legion/bfa. Those are grouped not just timewise but due to various fundamental changes in gameplay. MoP was the last gasp of that 2nd grouping and has far more in common with cata or LK than it does with WoD.
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>>259132565
don't listen to him he's just baiting
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>>259132404
>>259132565
You need the hit for shadow bolt anyways, so points in Suppression end being wasted. I would really not PVP as DS/Ruin though. If you want to do both at the same time, go for SM/Ruin.
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>>259132697
shadow bolt isn't an affliction spell retard
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>>259132697
>I would really not PVP as DS/Ruin though
I remember pvping with that build in TBC and it was fucking nutty how I could shadowbolt shitters in BGs for damn near their entire hp with t5/6 gear. Figured it be similar in vanilla.
So then pic related is a better build for vanilla pvp and pve?
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>>259132931
retard
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>>259109694
>>259112426
>>259114781
>>259129029
comfy is just a code word for boring desu
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>>259133079
truthposter
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>>259132931
that's what he said?
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>>259132931
I don't know whether you're illiterate or clueless.
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>>259133079
comfy is just a code word for boring desu is codeword for ADHD zoomer
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>>259133223
tfw not rolling a rock up a hill forever like Sisyphus. That would be comfy desu
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>>259132120
DS/Ruin is the best PvE dps build but it's complete dogshit for anything else
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>>259133079
nice haul triggered faggot anon
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>>259133365
you mean boring
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>>259133079
dilate
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>>259132980
Yeah, better. Since you're PVPing, you could consider dropping some points from Suppression (because, again, you need the hit for Shadowbolt) and put them in Fel Concentration, but that's a bit more on your taste. The core and needed talents are there.
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>>259133584
shadow bolt isn't an affliction spell retard
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>>259132931
>>259133681
what are you doing?
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>>259133890
this threads in a time vortex so it’s kinda
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>>259133584
>Warlock gets FREE 10% hit to destruction spells
I wish
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Going to roll warrior
What are my chances of being main tank in raids if i dont already have a WoW guild clique?
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>>259134048
No decent guild will let some random applicant be their main tank. Insurance that your thunderfury won't leave the guild alone guarantees this.
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The FUCK is going on in this thread
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>>259086371
Considering the only reason I was going to play Classic was for my frost mage...
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>>259134003
he didn't say that learn to read
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>>259134518
learn to take a joke faggot
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>>259094706
basedboys and sissys

fuck this gay earth
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>>259134048
>What are my chances of being main tank in raids if i dont already have a WoW guild clique?
Very low. The reason people have a real life buddy as the MT isn't simply nepotism, it's common sense. Tank poaching is a real thing.
It's not impossible. Already on the two recruiting discords i've seen 4 different guilds on both factions with MT spot open. Normally that's a big red flag, but in your situation it may end up working out. You'd still have to become friends with them and go out of your way to prove you're not a faggot that will jump ship after getting geared.

My suggestion would be to obviously tank 5mans and ubrs, dps in raids, and be available and reliable to off-tank as necessary (something every warrior should be capable of but some unfortunately are retarded) and as time progresses you never know what will happen. Attrition is a factor and even if your current guild MT doesn't quit, it doesn't mean a spot won't open up somewhere else and as an OT you'll be tossed gear already.
Like the other anon said, any halfway competent raiding guild locks down the MT position before they even have 10 signatures.
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>>259134642
lol nice cover
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>>259094706
You weren't actually around back in the day
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>>259135063
>tbc
are you stupid?
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>>259135197
>not tbc
are you stupid?
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>>259135370
>wotlk
are you stupid?
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>>259135370
You're right, it's more current and I should have looked more closely.
But what does it have to do with anything?
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>have to endure this stupid Classic meme before BC servers come out
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>>259133461
>but it's complete dogshit for anything else
>dropping massive SB crits in pvp is dogshit
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>>259135641
no one was talking about trannies 24/7 in vanilla or tbc or wrath
no one gave a fuck
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>>259135782
>5% higher shadow bolt damage than sm/ruin
>except you have no pet
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>>259136064
Times change
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>>259135782
>Have +15% shadow dmg OR an active pet
Not even a doubt
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>>259136064
they were not infesting our hobbies back then and were rightfully bullied publicly
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>>259136405
maybe it's because I haven't played retail since cata that I'm sick of hearing about them
worrying about your fucking wow character seems bizarre
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>>259136576
It’s less about the character itself but others perception. Don’t wanna be seen as a tranny
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>>259135782
>pvping without a pet
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>>259136064
dilate
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>>259136889
then dont pretend to be a girl irl when playing girl characters wow so hard
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>>259137141
I don’t tho. People will perceive you like that no matter what.
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>>259137141
don't be surprised when people refuse to interact with you then
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>>259136576
It honestly isn't an actual thing outside of /vg/. While there definitely are actual discord-trannies here (dudes that pretend to be girls in chatrooms) and they tend to infest /vg/ guilds, they are not nearly as common anywhere else. The reasons should be obvious, but the short version is normie guilds don't tolerate obnoxious shit, literal faggot-related or not. The first time someone with an anime girl avatar plays the "teehee maybe im a girl also my mic is broken lol stop hitting on me boys i wont date u" game is the last unless they're in a /vg/ guild. The exceptions would be guilds of very young people, leveling guilds that take anyone, or guilds focused on trolling and shitposting. Again, should be obvious.

If you play a female character and you're not actively engaging in roleplay either in-game or in your guild chatroom to make it appear as you are female in real life, you will not encounter any "tranny" memes. And if you do, that's a good sign your guild is full of teenagers and you're already in a shitty spot.
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>>259129490
>>259129515
t. paladin cucks
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>>259137224
that probably has more to do with your autism than anything
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>retarded fotm wl redditors going 5/5 suppression
like wtf just use your fuckin brain you Troglodyt
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>>259137310
>trannies don't exist anon, honest
>they aren't infiltrating every nerd hobby in record numbers, believe me!
fuck off kike
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>>259115827
You. There's no point in rolling on the specter leggings when you know that there's better items on the other bosses. You should know what each boss drops before going into the dungeon and know what you should be rolling on. Rolling on an item that is a side grade the proceeding to roll on another upgrade in the same instance is fucked.
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>>259137647
if the hybrids wanted healing gear they should have healed
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>>259137647
but the better item might not drop uwu
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>>259137772
I mean typically all of this is discussed beforehand or people just generally communicate about loot better while doing the run. I don't really see a reason for anyone to need a 28 spirit so maybe it's justified, but if the group was under the impression that was a healing item then I could understand them being upset. I guess I'd agree that it's kind of retarded for non-healers to bitch about not getting healing gear in a dungeon. But the general point that if you get a side grade over someone else who wanted it, then proceed to also snag an upgrade in the same instance to replace that side grade, that's a fucked up move.

>>259137848
You're going to be running until you get pre-bis either way. There's not much reason to roll on anything besides pre-bis since it's all pretty easy to obtain.
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I'm shadow so I kind of need your gear warlock...
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>>259137523
monkaS
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>>259102261
t. kike shill
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>>259114076
>2 factions
>at war
>open world pvp
how is vanilla wow not a real pvp game?
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>>259139339
because its annoying as fuck just trying to level then on top of that you have some asshat that kills you
>hurr thats how wpvp should be!
No its just annoying. The 60 gets 0 benefit other than being an asshole.
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>>259139504
so play on a pve server you faggot
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>>259139504
this fool will never get the riddle of steel or what is best in life
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Hello. I was an addon dev for private vanilla servers (you might have heard of e.g. aux, mail, crafty, cdframes).

I've started to port some of them. Here's some information on the progress: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/bxf1lc/aux_auction_house_addon_experimental_classic/

Anyway, unfortunately I'm still not in the beta and using arctium is not ideal since it doesn't seem to properly support the auction and mail interfaces.

I was hoping some people in the beta or otherwise knowledgeable might be able to help me answer some questions.

Firstly, does anyone have an up to date link to the latest beta client's framexml client? Or also the whole client? Also, if anyone is in the beta, is it really true that the mailbox has (completely unvanillalike) bulk open and send features? Because in the latest 1.13 code I've seen it still did.

Also, If someone here is in the beta an interested in helping me debug for a few hours on a weekend I would be very grateful.

I would really be happy to get aux fully working on the day of the release, as well as possibly mail (if it's not obsolete) and ccwatch (my bagsort addons should already be working).
Regards, Simon
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>>259137572
there's no degeneracy on retail, it's all just private servers
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Can someone explain to me what exactly is the difference between PvP realms and PvE realms?

From what I understand it's still possible to have open world battles on PvE servers? But it's harder or something?
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>>259142506
still going to gank our shit while leveling though
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>>259142848
yeah, you'd have to convince a bunch of people to type "/pvp" to enable their pvp flag in the world. Otherwise you can't just simply attack a member of the opposite faction.
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>>259142982
I thought they get flagged if they attack you though?
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>>259142848
pve realms everywhere is basically a starter zone
everyone has to agree to a fight
it is disgusting
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>>259143039
if you enabled /pvp then they can attack you which will flag them too
one of the sides has to /pvp first otherwise both sides cant do shit
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>>259143039
you can attack someone if they are flagged
in pvp realm contested zone everyone is auto flagged
in a pvp realm city or starter zone that faction is not auto flagged but the enemy faction still is
if that enemy faction player is attacked by someone in the starter zone that person also becomes flagged
a pve realm makes contested zones work like starter zones so there are situations where both factions are not flagged and can only start it off with /pvp, they cannot just attack each other
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>>259142506
At what stage of grief are hunters at now?

There was a ton of denial about scatter shot and trap sharing dr even though I posted several videos proving it a while back, but surely they've moved past that.
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>>259143039
Its been a really long time since I've been on retail vanilla or TBC, but if I remember the trick it was to flag yourself, stand near enough to accidentally get attacked, then that person would automatically get flagged pvp. The problem is if you're going around with a big swinging dick and flagged pvp, someone could just cast up their biggest spell and hit you first before you can do anything about it. I simply don't remember if you get flagged when you start casing or when they take damage.

But no, you cannot flag yourself and run around ganking people minding their own business.
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>>259139504
getting camped by a 60 ganking low levels is frustrating yeah, but that constant threat is what keeps things interesting. levelling up without world pvp is a mindless experience with no challenge. plus you get to break up the monotony by ganking faggots yourself.
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>>259143370
depends on the patch, only in 1.12 did they all DR together.
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>>259143794
>but that constant annoyance is what keeps things interesting.
I'd rather the server crash every 30 minutes with 10 minute rollbacks.
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we did it reddit
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classicbros...
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>>259144101
i wonder how much he spends a week on onions
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>>259144101
As dry as her pussy when she sees this monstrosity in your bedroom.
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>>259143838
Nope. This is from 1.11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9zIhXgsgzk&feature=youtu.be&t=339
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>>259144248
cute tranny
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>>259144519
based reanimation
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>>259144101
hmm actually redpilled
https://www.forbes.com/sites/fionamcmillan/2018/08/11/how-blue-light-damages-cells-in-your-eyes/
https://justgetflux.com/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/darkreader/
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>>259144474
I plan on multiboxing.

9 clients on the top monitor, main focus on bottom. Side monitors for guides and spotify ect.
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Now I actually understand why freezing trap always felt so off on private servers. In vanilla the time it took for the trap to actually trigger varied a ton. You can see it pretty well here >>259144519 , where the first trap takes ages to trigger, while all the other ones are faster. And in this one, it even triggers when charged past.
https://youtu.be/eaUadhyqux0?t=208

Private servers felt too consistent in comparison
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>>259144572
would hit it, not even gay
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>>259144519
magic dust, engineer helm effects, wyvern sting, scatter, and trap ALL DR together in the beta.

your video doesn't demonstrate that at all.
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>>259145583
>magic dust, engineer helm effects, wyvern sting, scatter, and trap ALL DR together in the beta
the only thing that doesn't make sense in that list is scatter, because you'd figure it was a disorient like blind, not a mezz like the others. but the fact is in 1.12 scatter is on the list.
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>>259144474
not as much as you
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>>259141359
beta is over
you'll need to do this during the next stress test in 2 weeks
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>>259145583
Still in denial? Can't even see the scatter shot that has no effect because it was used after 3 traps? Every time with these nostbabbies
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>>259145583
>magic dust, engineer helm effects
fuck yeah I won a lot because I had these
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>>259137310
This lmao. I always make girl characters (because I'm lonely) and yet nobody even asked me if I were a girl. There was never a slight doubt because of the way I act and speak. Everyone calls me "dude" right away. What a plague that meme is. Still boggles my mind how on earth the word "tranny" isn't globally filtered yet. Like wtf this cancer's been rampant for a while now and more insignificant shit like onions got filtered already.
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>>259146767
dilate
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>>259147074
have sex
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>>259147074
projection
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can someone post the trigger list I'm getting real sick of this tranny talk, it's super immature
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>>259146767
soi was spammed about as much as tranny
there's always going to be a buzzword
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So blizz gave folks 3 days game time, theoretically could this be used for the prerelease stress test?
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>>259147262
why are redditors so obsessed with trannies
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>>259147219
cope
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>>259147074
woha dude i'm def questioning my masculinity cuz of some anonymous right now. srsly gtfo you're just autistically making this place even more cancer. just filter "tranny" once. seeing a third of posts disappear is depressing. you're all fucking mentally ill. all i want is a place to discuss the game which isn't a reddit cesspool of shit. some threads are okay but wow ones can never be. fuck you niggers
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>>259147607
there's already reddit for high quality game discussion

if something is off topic just downvote
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they just shut down the servers for the beta without any timer, i guess no one was streaming it anymore
no event or anything
ZERO SOUL
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>>259147607
Going to be completely real with you, these threads are far nicer during NA evening hours while Europe is tuckered out and snug in bed from shitposting all day.
They're obsessed with discord-trannies (and 100% of the namefag trannies here are euro) and especially obsessed with wanting classic to fail. Keep in mind these dorks have a good 10+ years /played dedicated already to various pservers and don't want to be exposed and corpse camped by backpedaling retailers.
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>>259147982
Just a reset for some event.

~Happy~
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>>259147982
who cares Classic was dead 2 weeks ago when asmon/soda stop streaming
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>>259147704
I hate reddit and do not support the vote system. It should never have a "downvote" option. All subjects should have a degree of interest not being highlighted or burried depending on the general opinion. It represents everything that I hate about freedom of mind and talk nowadays. Fuck reddit and fuck frustrated virgin autists itt
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holy fuck staystafes tranny gf is on stream and shes hot af
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b-bros?
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>>259147984
at least I'm white
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>>259148192
how to get cute blonde gf
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>>259148192
guy on the left has a stronger jawline than the roid manlet Lmao
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>>259148197
*muslim prayer calls in the background while he gets stabbed by a negro*
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>>259148192
based progressive staysafe dating trannies
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>>259148192
Neat how he fucks and drops chicks on the reg. He even dropped a chick from Japan that loved him and wanted to get married. Surely this will work out for him right?
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>>259148345
is that projection, I've never seen a brown person in my life
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>>259148423
he's an emcel and posts on r9k

good for him though, dodge a bullet with thots that date ecelebs
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>>259148192
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>>259148192
does wanting to fuck traps make you gay
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>>259148197
Mediterranean "white" maybe
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>>259149060
>>259149060
>>259149060
New
>>259149060
>>259149060
>>259149060
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>>259148192
Is that a trap or a girl?
You fags are making me confused.
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>>259149102
there's no way it's a trap
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>>259149050
No, we're girls
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>>259149151
sounds like a guy
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>>259147262
that time in 2013 where 4chan hit peak performance
>nearly peak waifu
>literally no reddit
>small but decent sjw shaming
>memes pretty much non existent
Where went everything wrong?
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>>259149193
>waifu
peak cumbrain maybe
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>>259149169
has nice boobies and pretty thin hands/wrists. it's a girl
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>>259149327
trump has small hands too, is he a girl?
either way I'd hit it not even gay
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>>259149435
i have small wrists for a man and they're still twice as large as hers. if it was a boy i'd suck their cock
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>>259146459
oh, damn, ok, thanks for the info. hope i'll get picked for that at least
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>>259149865
if you are subbed, you get in.
if you're really the aux person i'd help
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>>259147074
I will dilate your asshole you faggot
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>>259149193
that was around the time moot got cucked iirc
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>>259080595
Looks like a male anime character



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