Laughing lizards Edition>News- Patch 1.2.1 released: https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/en-US/b983283e/index.html- Partner Pikachu/Eevee spirits can be redeemed depending on which "Let's Go" game you have.>How to play Ultimate with /vg/- Create a custom arena with rules set as 3 stock, 7 minutes, no items/spirits- Post arena ID in thread, can be found in the "arena settings" button in the top left- Password is 7243 (rage)- State your region and player count or any rule changes.- Try to limit arenas to 4 players to avoid long waiting lines/lag.>DLC- Register the game at My Nintendo by Jan. 31st to get Piranha Plant for free: https://smashbros.nintendo.com/buy/- Fighters Pass (5 DLC Characters + 5 Stages + Music Tracks + Rex Mii outfit) available for $25 on the eShop.- Joker from the Persona series is the first Fighters Pass character.RESOURCES:>How to improve your online connectionhttp://archive.is/GvgOP>Character unlock requirements (CONTAINS SPOILERS)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lrf8YZUcZz5JpfTrDaR-2VLKZCSzKgEpjgU3jXL1FYk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true>All character movesetshttps://imgur.com/gallery/9X04NV8>Advanced character details (Weight, walk speed, frame data, etc)http://www.kuroganehammer.com/Ultimate>Tourney stage list makerhttps://bans.page/create.html>Tier list makerhttps://ssbworld.com/create/tier-list/ultimate/>Make your main rosterhttps://apps.warchamp7.com/smash/rosterUlt/>All character rendershttps://imgur.com/gallery/aZClIlk>Soundtrack download (new songs only)https://mega.nz/#!5FM1XCrS!aQU8-5rXXMrZBusDhwhCjd_RKVX9NQesGs6lxHx-k7U>Character frame data (E3 demo)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k3APyiQk0fu1KCqq-t9Fk2zmmSvcEH8rBy6GVAHEtQk/edit?usp=drivesdkPrevious >>240626293
How do I git gud with Random?
First for everyone laugh at pathetic genofags.
>>240677797Who is Geno?
You have 10 seconds to explain why you aren't maining Mii Gunner right now
why did nintendo forget to give dr. mario a taunt
1V1East Coast, random tourney stagelistID: 6F1Q5PW: 25151/5
There will be small tournament for fun this weekend from people of 4chan.Join and read the rules plshttps://challonge.com/jz6tzpb6>”but I’m bad!”Don’t worry, it’s an online tournament which has no value for the real “competitive” scene, just for funBesides, you can get a taste of what does a tournament feels like.
>>240677895Because i already play as Samus and my favorite Mii gunner setup is basically Samus again.
>>240677895because no matter which hilarious mii I use it's so boring to play
>>240677628Can anyone recommend some Ridley guides?
how do I deal with cloud's fucking side-B?it's fast, it's huge, it's safe, and it hurts. I'm sick of fighting this character.
>>240677993So the local weekly tourney host already gave up huh
>>240677993What region though?
>>240677895>get to elite smash finally>lose 10 matches without the other player trying at allI thought mii gunner was supposed to be good!
>>240678202>online>regionMost of them live in America
>>240678105man the fuck up
Why is Ryu so bad? Like he can be played well sure, but for fucks sake all of his kill moves are high risk. His Bair is fine but he doesnt have the fade or air speed to really rely on it. To make matters worse, you cant turn off the input commands on A and just use B for them, which can lead to misinputs if you dont return your stick to neutral consistently. Being able to cancel your attacks into specials is great, but god help you if you whiff any of them otherwise. I'm just getting frustrated here. I've played everyone and I love Ryu as a character but he feels like climbing a mountain bare handed.
>>240678313what does that even mean in this context
>>240678280>>online>>regionWhat is this supposed to meanAre you implying that a connection between a britbong and a yank wouldn't be bad
I never learned in 4, but Bayo's Ladder is generally started with>a heel side>Into two after burner kicksAfter that, is that where I have to do the 3 frame jump to reset the kicks?
Hello I am trying to play sheikhow do I killplease help I don't want to have to get my opponent to 200% every match
>>240678105>bait them and then jump and then attack
Why are most of the newcomers boring to play as compared to old timers?
>>240678105>it's safeNot on shield it aint. Either predict it coming or keep cloud in the air/edge guarded. Avoid fighting him on the ground, he has the advantage.
>>240678369>light tilts are unsafe
>>240678391holy fuck samus is giant
>>240677895I like Mii gunner but they feel too slow to actually kite people. I played a Chrom recently and it was just nonstop ungabunga right up in my face. It was really oppressive, and either I was doing something wrong or Gunner's projectiles don't actually pressure enough to keep swordies at bay
>>240678391Looks like something from 2005.
>>240678369Do the same as every other Ryu Mainswitch to Ken
>>240678406>how do i killYou don't
>>240678450Ridley is pretty fun, athe rest are abit dull though.
>>240678450Ridley, Isabelle and Richter are growing on me
>>240678574put a bomb on the ground so they have to approach from the air, then just nair/fair them to deathmii gunner nair is super goodfair makes you jump backwards slightly, so you can fair->forward smash if the opponent isnt expecting it
>>240678805>Challenging a swordie's aerials with your own, unless you're another swordieI am extremely skeptical
Fucking epic pk thunder there.
>>240678474Light tilts are fine and they can set up the specials sure. Thats the only way to set them up and you absolutely need them to set up True shoryu. >>240678646I don't really like Kens chaarcter, but hell I might have too. At least if your shoryu has several fucking hitboxes that can KO
>>240679046fair is a projectile you fucking retardfair the swordie whenever they jump and they cant approach you
fuck pichu>dude what if we made the joke character actually top tierhacks
Any criticism is welcomed
>>240679225start taking your meds you autistic fuck
>>240678391tfw no bowsette in smersh
>>240679108Sadly Ryu got really shafted compared to 4.
>>240679374I know, I'm thankful everyday that nintendo almost never acknowledge retarded fan shit.
>>240679225>wii fit in the same tier as fucking warioare you overweight by any chance
>>240677993>Falkore>Serpent>Moxy>Rakyy>PameBoys are back in town
>>240679392Yeah I guess I just have to accept that. Better players can make him work, but he might just be a peak to high for me
>>240679225Megaman isnt a child, even when he looks like a shota he really doesnt act like a kid.Hes MegaMAN, after all.
>>240678805They can just ftilt the bomb away lol
>>240679703Megaman is suppose to be modeled after a 10 year old boy. While he isn't one obviously he is shown to behave and act as one.
>>240679703Yeah I know, but he's pretty one-note and does act like a kid sometimes, he doesn't exactly fit into that tier but I didn't want to make one just for him
>>240679818anyone with a shoryuken is dishonest
>>240678398>between a britbong and a yankI live in New York and while I dont know about Nintendo games I do know when i play PC shooters I can connect to UK servers with zero lag and sub 70 ping.
How viable is it to try to actually jump on squirtle during its sibe b? I try it occasionally but can never get it to work.
>>240679848>modeled after a 10 year oldWhich megaman game says this?>he is shown to behave like onesuch as...?
>>240679514I want to titty fuck bowser
>>240679848He's a robot
>>240680254>US boxart>canonAre you retarded?
>>240680420>cartoons are canon
>>240680420You mean the garbage cringe-inducing new one or the slightly less garbage old one?Because in the old one he was clearly an adult man, and if the new one is canon I'll eat my shoes.
>>240673839I got stomped by some basedman that was streaming during that alpharad sm4sh tourney we raided a couple years ago. The general was full of "why is wonderswan rolling so much" and it felt bad man
>>240680049incredibly. The poor guy is stuck in end lag for about 1000 years.
>>240673839I dont know if any of you remember Panchito vs O'Malley, but I'm O'Malley.I lost, but even a place as nasty as 4chan didnt have too many mean things to say. If you arent garbage, even openly hostile people wont call you garbage.
>>240680049i mean worst case you miss but since you actually jumped he didn't hit you anyway
>mfw getting a ko with mega man's uair
>>240680791>>240680985Join the new tournament>>240677993
>>240681127Don't pretend like his uptilt isn't less satisfying
>>240681147shut up discordfag
>>240680806Any tips on getting it I mean? I usually try to just do a quick short hop but always miss it.
I hate stages with middle platforms so much
>>240681187I mean is less satisfying damnit
How do I play ganon and not just spam sword smash attacks?
>>240681387try using his other moves
>>240680985>if you aren't garbage, people won't call you garbage
>>240677993what is /sbff/?
>>240681550Super Big Faggots Forever
>>240678450My brother's actually said something that may answer this; Smash4 was Sakurai doing what HE wanted. Ultimate is more about relenting to what the FANS wanted.Most of the newcomers got in cuz they were long-time requested or simply popular. Not cuz Sakurai was inspired to make them into fighters or interested in how they'd work. Ridley & K. Rool are obvious. Chrom & Dark Samus are generic. Isabelle & Daisy would've been novel, but were pre-empted.Compare that to Smash 4. Who actually WANTED Rosalina, Duck Hunt, Robin & Wii Fit? Who ASKED for Cloud to have Limit Breaks, Mac to have a KO meter, Ryu to have OGSF combos etc? "Screw what the audience thinks its wants; I'm having too much making vidya."Only Inkling & Belmont really satisfy both halves of the equation. They're from popular IPs, and are novel in their game-design. Incineroar's probably the most "Sakurai" pick; he's not all that high on the list of like 800 possible choices but is fun AF to play IMOTBQHWYF.Alternative, shorter answer: The gimmick of this one WAS old timers. So that's where all the attention went. Updating their moves, giving them flavor text, making them fit into the damn chip, etc.
What are some good characters for a shitter who's trying to get used to the game?
>>240679514That's kinda hot!
>>240681387Try pressing the jump button. This is important, as it's the basic first step to winning the game, and pressing it repeatedly can help you figure out of if your character is garbage..
He is literally fucking in.
>>240681719As far as "balanced" characters go Mario, Pit, Inkling, and Lucina are all characters designed to be well rounded.
>>240681719the miis unironically
>>240680641Well, I mean...TBF there's Street Fighter X Tekken...
>>240681852So once you're off the stage, you die.
>>240681719>good characters for a shitterganondorf, chrom
i think chrom sucks!
Why the fuck does that little yellow rat do so much damage and combo so effortlessly
>Play Smash with my brother>He's completely motivated because of all the videos he watches>Win about 20 times in a row>He's not even pissed, just dead inside and stops playing
>>240682761Textbook case of knowledge growing faster than skill.
How the FUCK do you L-cancel without doing shield in melee?You press L or R right as you land right?I'm using 20XX but it just uses shield.Its not fluid like the pros.
this input lag is ridiculous
>>240682950How to close the gap? Training mode doesn't help me much I feel.
>>240683096right before you land
>>240683478That's what I'm doing but it always shields.
>AI Inkling can instantly throw out a max range ink bombpedophiles will defend this
what are the non cosmetic differences, if any, between base and dark samus or peach and daisy?
Ggs ssbg lobby. Time for teams with /v/kend
>>2406830967 Frames before you land, and make sure to let go of the trigger before your end-lag is finished. You can even let go before you land, if your finger twitches quickly enough. Likely you're either holding the trigger down a little, or are just doing it too late.
Anyone joining the tournament?
>>240683523Then do it faster.
How do I Rosalina good?
>>240683432Training mode can help, because there is an input barrier to smash. Practice putting out your aerial just as you land so that the hitbox is synchronized with the beginning of the landing lag. Practice your character's combo moves. Practice fast falling so that you reach the ground faster.After that, just play. Put your training into practice. That's all there is to it. Just play more. You'll hear certain players sometimes mention "bootcamp". They play offline against other good players for hours. Get muscle memory, get the right reactions.Review your matches and point out what you did right and what you did wrong. Do the same for your opponent. Did you drop combos? Practice that. Use the wrong move in neutral? Recognize that. Learn character specific strategies.>>240684187Rosa is weak in this game.
>>240684187The only good Roselina is a dead Roselina
>>240684151Still thinking about it even though I'd probably get bodied hard
>>240683890dark samus roll is 3 frames fasterdark samus up smash hits lower (can hit smaller opponents on the ground)normal samus missiles and charge shot fire slightly higher above the ground than dark samus'ssamus's f-smash has slightly more rangedark samus d-tilt, f-smash, and up smash have electric effect
>>240678391Fuck Bowser after taking the crown off, marry Zelda, kill the rest
>>240684354sounds pretty coolso dark samus is essentially the midget killer?
>>240684454yeah, but the really small characters wont get scooped up by either up smash and any character that can low profile the missiles can do so for both samuses. the missile/cs difference seems to matter more for catching jumps in which case normal samus is better
>>240678391>samus>princessjust what kind of girl do you take her for?bowsette was unironically a really fun fad, even a tiny nod would be nice
>>240684756I was mostly jokingso is there really much different in their performance? I assume the up smash can be used for different strings at different % from base, and the electric attacks help start strings up?
>>240677895I play Mii Swordie insteadGunner is fun but I like swords
>>240684151Yes>>240684315None of them are actually hard to fight against
>>240684932I like the concept of bowsette but it really bothers me that it's just a copy paste of peach. Anything to make it more bowser and less peach like red hair and darker skin would have been better.
>boomerang>fire arrow>run in to grab
HELP ME FIGURE OUT GANONI keep either dominating them or getting edge killed over and overIf I get hit off the stage it's like I can't make it back no matter what
>>240685089the difference is pretty tiny at the end of the day, pick which ever you think looks cooler. i think dtilt is somewhat safer on shield for dark samus, but it isnt a particularly good move in the first place so its mostly a wash
>>240685224>it's just a copy paste of peacheh, I never minded it but I can see your pointand regardless of looks barafags were on to something all along: bowser is a pretty cool dude in general if you take the rpgs and stuff into account
Do people have trouble with Dark Samus? I picked her randomly and she's already my highest at 2.9 mil, i dont even really know how to play her/it, I just know that Neutral B has a fuckhuge hitbox
>>240684162Then it air dashes.Also does anyone know how to do marth down air into up b?I see people going down and down airing from the ledge and still being able to up b back up but the lag is like 5 seconds whenever I try and I can never recover.
>>240685487Dont get hit off the stageWork on hard reads and neuteal mid like every other heavy m8
>>240685531well sounds about right for an echo then, thanksI generally go for dark because the blue flame effects and creepy tendril charge shot are baller as hell
>>240685708cant argue with that, her animations are top notch
Good games guys, thanks for playing in my arena.
>>240677628So the Smash Ultimate theme, did you rike it eryrere?
>>240685604if you don't do the dair rising out of a double jump you probably can't make it back to ledge
>>240686192Claus is turned into a Chimera and then he commits suicide. Thats the plot of Mother 3.Also Lucas's mom fucking dies and Porky is behind it all
>>240686280No. It's the worst theme out of all the games.Brawl > 4 > Melee > 64 > U
>>240686192GGs. Can you give me some tips on getting better with mario?
GGs TheBird. super fun games. sorry i kept going to spectate, a lot of stuff going on around my house. Pretty solid characters.which one was your main?
>>240686410Okay, what was the point of posting this?
>>240686478Brawl's theme was garbage and honestly made me return the game(who the fuck puts opera in a fighting game).Melee's theme was Kino.
Anyone here play any Project M lately?
Is this accurate?
Ganon can't beat palutena. Projectile spam is all online is based on.
>>240686652Because I can.Mother 3 Will never be localized and mother 4 will be in hibernation until everyone stops caring.>>240686672Just mute the game lmao, fucking wasting money over dumb shit
>>240686609GGs dude, felt like I was finally getting the hang of your Yink, really frustrating to play against, especially with poor Kirby.Bowser is my main most likely. I wanted K. Rool but he's way too easy to punish. Need more practice against projectiles with Mac, he was my main in Sm4sh but this is a whole new game.Your Duck Hunt Dog was really good, if I have only one criticism, it would be to shield more often, or dash away and wait. I kept getting you with Bowser's dair.
I don't even hate Fire Emblem characters, I just hate how common they are. Half of all my online matches are a FE character or Cloud. Damnit, just pick someone else, there are 75 characters.
anyone else have characters stuck in /EloHell/in my experience, the ranks below 100,000 are full of surprisingly good players as the only way to really get that low is to play (and lose) a decent number of matches.when I first started playing, I just dropped right into quickplay with mario, lost 5-6 matches, and ended up at ~50,000 gsp. Now everyone I play vs, mostly those in similar GSP ranges, is very noticeably better than who I go up against with my 2.5 mil characters, sort of goofy
>>240686672taste this shit should be outlawed
>>240686410Is that really the plot? I assumed the Lucas's game had some pretentious story due to how people hyped it up, seems I was sorta right with all that edgy bullshit.
>>240681853>brave>home of the braveholy SHIT
>>240686894ok and? what are you hoping to accomplish some weak attempt at shitposting mother fans?
>>240686502He's not a character I'm all tol familar, I play doc more often, but I feel you rely on fsmash as your sole kill option. Mario's up smash is really solid as a kill option, it's a much safer kill move. Beside that use his up tilt strings at early percents. They're not as ridiculous as smash 4 but unless you're against a floaty like kirby it's a great way to rack up damage at low percents. Up-air is also a way to juggle around mid percent too. Mario's nair is also pretty good for trying to break out of combos so try that if you need to get the opponent off of you quickly.
>>240686912your Bowser was solid! he's actually one of my characters too. The Ness games were very back and forth and he's my main.
>>240686767ganondorf rlly be after that boipussy huh
>>240686746it's almost the only smash game I play cause still no switch
>>240686767Mewtwo is only genderless because of game mechanics, otherwise he is depicted as male>>240687017Its not as edgy as it is frustratingly quirky, if you like Earthbound you may like it, idfk, Robot Dinosaurs>>240687082Shut up, nigger
>>240686894Okay. Only idiots will refuse to play it at this point. I love Mother 3 and it's one of my favorite games but even I don't want it localized, NoA will do a terrible job translating it. I just don't get why you feel so cool spoiling it for whatever reason.
>>240686924>in my experience, the ranks below 100,000 are full of surprisingly good players
>>240687202>hat in time SH*D posteryeah well that explains it
>>240687202Is that so?The game's never established any sort of gender identity for him and in the movies there's also a "female" Mewtwo later on.I guess i could just put that entire category into asexual tho.
>>240687339Anon thats a gif from the game
>>240687202so you're just posting autism for attention then?kay should really step up your game if that's the case
>>240687202>>240686894Two posts later and I already know you're an obnoxious discord tranny faggot. I feel bad for anyone that has to interact with you
I wanted to main Isabelle because she's cute, but it turns out she's really, really boring. What were they thinking? Why did they just make an unfun Villager?
>>240686894>Wasting money"Wasting money" never entered my cranium. Like I missed sleep over a game with a shit theme, shit roster, tripping, and a shitty version of Adventure Mode when Melee is superior.Poorfags like you shouldn't buy video games if you're that paranoid about money.
>>240686767I'll never forget that promotional screenshot of Palutena and Lucina.
>>240686924>"in my experience, the ranks below 100,000 are full of surprisingly good players">tfw got to sub 100k with my mains without even tryingwow am i really that good?? /s
>>240687440i guess shad can replicate it enough to a point where it confuses my retard brain
>>240687102Thanks a ton, I will try to remember all that.
>>240687125Yeah your Ness was good, I actually have a decent Lucas and was thinking about trying out Ness. I like a lot of characters in this game, picking one is hard.
>>240687493Why are there so many fucking isabelle freaks? I see more people obsessed with this fucking dog than any of the actual girls in this game
I LIKE GREEN INKLING!
>tfw too scared to edgeguard with DocI want to Dair them to hell, but if you miss you literally just die
>>240687628She's cute. She's a chibi dog and has a cute endearing personality. Stop projecting.
>>240687398Not that anon, but his original movie appearance has him speak a very masculine voice, and all legendaries in pokemon are genderless so you cant breed them, so you can sorta pick whatever canon you want
>>240686894>mother 4 will be in hibernation until everyone stops caring.I mean the guy who made Mother is dead so we'll probably never see a Mother 4 anyways. Enjoy Undertale!
>>240687628>he doesn't platonically love his adorable doggy secretary and faithful friendwhat a homo
>>240686767>Yoshi>StraightAren't he and Birdo a pair?
>ice climbers vs samus>she uses forward air but it runs out of hits by the time she gets to me>forward smash when she lands directly in front of me>it fucking MISSESDoes this shit have a DEADZONE?
>>240686767olimar literally has a wife and children
>>240687728>you cant breed themditto, uh, finds a waywhat on god's green earth was the point of this stupid shit?
>>240687836I feel just as bad because Samus cant fucking hit Ice Climbers for shit, all of her aerials are so fucking laggy on startup
>>240687875Nice paint brush you have there. It'll be a shame if a real weapon knocks it out your hands.
>>240687523Good point, i'll move them to bi.>>240687728I just moved that entire category into Asexual now, causes the least confusion. lol>>240687971I wasn't aware of that.
>>240687759I mean besides it being a nonsensical jump in logic itoi's still kicking
Practice your parry timings.
>>240688145snake and cloud are straight as an arrow. stop projecting your gay fantasies on characters with canon female romantic interests.
>>240677628if nintedo doesnt give us a malos echo for shulk im gonna fire soccerguy personally
>>240688247>try to practice risky things>lose>GSP tanksno
>>240687759He isn't dead, don't say that. Nintendo should just hire Toby to direct another Mother game though.
>>240688145>Fox>Straight>implying he isnt fucking krystal and getting fucked by wolf
>>240688145>??? sexual>sakurai basically ships IC>megaman has a cute loli sidekickI'm not gonna touch the rest of this godawful faggotry but that's just wrong
>>240688267But which snake, exactly?Because Ultimates is a mixture of several snakes, except for Venom because he sucks dick
>>240688267Yeah but it's funnier that way, so it's canon.>>240688372>>240688394I'll fix those!
>>240687812Nothing too big, this was one of Sakurai's promotional pics of smash 4
>>240686767>>240688145>Ike being a HomoFuck off Sorenfag, Ike has never said anything romantically to him and obsesses over his sword skills overall.Also Pokemon Trainers are way older than Inklings.
>>240688145isabelle is bi, she's implied to have a crush on you even if you're female
>>240688346>the /ssbg/ mentality
>>240687875*laughs in f-smash*
>>240688425Big Boss likes Eva and loves his mama.Solid likes Meryl and the only gay shit he's done is the non-canon snowmobile ride with Otacon.
>>240688476looks more like a fashion shoot than a lesbian picnic but whatever, porn fuel is always welcome, especially with goofy goddess of shota and top tier dfc
>>240688492the pokemon trainers are 11, inklings are a minimum of 14
>>240688247>Practice a tryhard gimmick in a party gameNo thanks, my main has counter anyways.
>>240688492Ike is a homo, for Soren, and for the King of Lions. Learn your shit.Also Pokemon Trainer is 10 and Inkling is 14
>>240688247>practice a dumb gimmick instead of things that are relevant to winning the gamenah
>>240688640>woomies are post pubescent should not expand dong but it sure as hell does
>>240688902i mean it's above the age of consent in japan
>>240686767>implying fox, falcons, any link, incineroar, lucario, pit, sheik, isabelle and every fire emblem character is straight
>>240688640Pokemon Trainers are 12>>240688754Once again 12.Then why did Ike abandon Soren, his sister, and all his friends he grew up with at the end of the Tellius Saga?
>>240689116red is 10, leaf is 11
>>240685597In most smash games bad players have it tough against Samus since they aren't good at using attacks to clash with her projectiles and when they do get by them they tend to run right into her quick tilts instead of baiting them out. Probably the same in this one.
Why is ssbg afraid of learning new things? Are parries that daunting to you? lmaoing at your lives, you'll never make it
>>240688754Ike's homo for Ranulf, not the lion king. Learn your crack ships.
>>240689415I'm practicing them but still not very good
>>240689273>>240689415Imagine being this hurt by my opinion you guys have to drag on the discussion until someone agrees with you two.
i have played so. many. fighting games. never in my life have I encountered more tea baggers and BMing fucks than in this game. what the fuck is the deal with the general faggotry in this games player base?
>>240688247Parrying is just letting go of shield at the end of a move like you should be anyway. That comes naturally without practice.
>>240689992>Get rid of taunting in a ranked mode because muh hurt feelings>Something more annoying takes it's placeThis is what happens when you try to censor players, it always goes wrong. Always.
>>240689992Literal kids play this game. Don't forget this. Nintendo games are for babies.
>>240689992because there's a solid window of opportunity that regularly arises in the form of KOs and respawning, and they disabled normal taunts like a big gaysit's like moving to florida and going "shit guys why are there so many hurricanes it wasn't like this in toronto"
Who are better, /v/kend players or /ssbg/?
>>240689992Yeah but Smash isn't a fighting game
>>240689992valid mind games, if it affects u ur bad
>>240690285No, literal kids player Fortnite and Minecraft. Compulsive manchildren who can't let their childhood go circlejerk around Smash.
>>240689985I'm just trying to help you. If you don't care about improvement that's fine but you'll get left behind if you don't learn this stuff.
>>240688247why should I? meme mechanic for boomers who love evo 37 but never played third strike a day in their life
>tfw we could have had subspace emissary 2 with overly dramatic iconic cutscenes and awesome crossover interactions>instead we got an endless series of stupid repetitive challenges with no story because people moaned too much about muh brool be badsomeone else post a reaction image
>>240690516>buyers, ergo adults because kids don't have money>had to respond to an email after linking to a nintendo account, something kids wouldn't bother with>response rate of 11%>results are skewedIMAGINE MY SHOCK
>>240690704t. sucks at parryingI'll be taking those free punishes, thank you very much.
today i will remind them
>>240690516You're going to get the same result for every other console. Kids don't give a shit about surveys.
>>240690704>Why should I master a mechanic that gives me frame advantageJesus Christ /ssbg/
>>240690725> because people moaned too much about muh brool be badthey knew that people liked subspace and hated the balance, floatiness, and trippingit was sakurai's autism over cutscenes, nothing more nothing less
I'm finally doing world of light and holy fuck is this tedious and boring, did you guys really 100% all tbree routes? I've done like 20 fights now and already feel like I've exoerienced just about everything. Thank fuck I have the akuma spirit, let's me finish every battle in a minute or less.
>>240686410you're a cunt
Is there a fighter that plays or feels similar to Ivysaur?
>>240690858It doesn't give you real advantage, you end up with the same punish possibilities as shielding
Does getting elite by just rematching shitters count?
>>240687819>he only loves isabelle platonicallyloser
>>240691060I like dicking around with Smash's AI so I found it pretty fun. Gets repetitive after a while.
>>240689992Best way to go about it is to teabag back immediately. Even if you lose, taking it lightly like that won't tilt you as hard. Of course if you win, teabag as hard as you want. They'll leave after that match.
>>240691174toon link maybe?aerials are similar and projectile game is better than Ivy
>shield most of a multihit move>drop shield right before the last hit>every single time
>>240691359does AI still taunt sometimes?
>>240690975is that it? i know some other guy was in charge of all the cutscenes, that guy is a legend
>>240691423you should try releasing shield after they're done hitting you
>>240691359>>240691060>it's a "hostile assist trophies will appear" battlejesus fucking christ why are ATs so awfully balancedthey're assist trophies not hard carry god trophiesI get no one cares about item balance but that doesn't change the fact that I think it's the worst it's ever been in this game
>>240691269Elite doesn't count for anything period lad
>>240689107All of them except for Ike and Corrin are provably straight.
I wish this game had a Meta Crystal stage
>>240691549took me hours to do 8 volthad to get fucking sheriffs spirit so i could destroy the sheriff
>>240691476yepbasically samurai got asshurt that people posted the cutscenes on youtube so he cut singleplayer out of 4
>>240691369Are there a lot of differences between Too Link and Young Link?
>>240691678AT killer is an absolute mustthe fucking akira fight was unbearable cancer since apparently akira has super armor on literally every move he makes and ryu was just dicking around waiting to wombo combo you (since unlike you ai apparently can cooperate with the ATs)
>>240691678I thought I was the only one who had trouble on that one. At some point I was like, "fuck it" switched to Kirby and spammed Stone.
>>240691746yeah young link is a bigger cunt and better
>>240691678>had to get fucking sheriffs spirit so i could destroy the sherifftrust nobody not even yourself
>>240691746young link is extra hyper faggy
>>240691848that was straight up my plan A as soon as I saw how sheriff worked>assist killer>deep breathing>aerial those two faggots to death>RAWK
>>240691746Toon Link is more floaty and has less sword range, but is more powerful and has better bombs.
>>240691746Tink is floatier which lets him hit shields while fading back, so he's safer to pressure withHis aerials are also less laggy and better at covering yourself defensivelyYink on the other hand is faster and has a bit more combo potential and a stronger recoveryAlso his Nair is definitely better than Tink's
>>240691848That's why I stayed Kirby the whole WoL playthrough.What's the point of switching characters when Kirby can just break the game with floating and stone spam?
>>240691746Playing one makes you a try-hard degenerate, the other makes you a hipster degenerate
How do I beat Wii Fit? She reminds me of my mum too much to take her seriously online
How do I get good at ROB?
>of all the characters I struggle against, it's fucking Dedede
>>240692253Which is why I don't get why people bitch about Marth clones when Link clones are zoning degenerates
>>240692438It's okay anon, he is hard for me too. All of his strength really fuck over my main and it can feel really brutal when I play one. Who do you play?
I gotta say I wish Young Link's look was based on his MM appearance intead of OoT
>>240692232i really wish wol didn’t allow you to pick your own characters, it’s so easy to cheese every single challenge once you’ve unlocked a certain character and it becomes really boring as a resultthe mode is most fun right at the beginning where all you have is kirby and a couple others, it feels like much more of a challenge
kinda offtopic but does anyone here play on a 1440p monitor? how is the scaling?
>see lucas, ness, snake or cloud coming up>turn on lag switch
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>>240692337fuck your mother, then tap into that primal desire and imagine you're trying to wear wii fit down in order to fuck her once she's ko'd
>>240692870It would've been cool if they let you be the character that the Spirit scenario entails. Sakurai fucked up big time for not making it like Melee's event mode.
>>240692876i play on a dell s2716dg. it looks fine for me
>>240692915>so bad you have to turn on a lag switch to win against characters you dont like
I want to play Greninja but I don't think there's a local scene here and I'm guessing he sucks dick to play online even with a wired connection. Am I right?
>>240693118could you compare it to what it looks like when the switch is set to output in 720p please?
How does anyone struggle with shorthopping, i don't get it.
>>240692870just to make it a little more interesting, I used a character as soon as i freed them until I got the next one
>>240690116>posting your fake leak on /pol/ so that it "looks more convincing"sure
>Heavy characters>one move does a fuck load of damage>literally no thought requiredwhy do they complain so much when they main characters that are unga bunga retard tier
>>240693510why would you do that
if you didnt beat the final boss with kirby on your 3 man team what are you even doing
>>240693852if you didn't beat the final boss with just kirby on hard and spiritless what are you even doing
>>240693851because 720p scales to 1440p better
>>240693805Heavy characters mindset is DUDE THE RANGE THE SPEED I CAN'T DO ANYTHINGMeanwhile they see no issue with bullshit moves like Bowser's bodyslam killing at 60%
>>240693805Almost all heavies in smash have horribly slow attacks.With online lag they're fine, but in serious matches most heavies are complete shit and need to work way harder to get hits in than other characters.
>>240693805>Using unga bunga as an argument please kill yourself.
>>240693972World of Light is boring as shit, why would I purposely make it more tedious
>>240693510>>240694010i made a quick photo on the dell.left is 720p, right is 1080p. it looks like any other 720p/1080p content would, 1080p is noticeably sharper (check the black outlines of the circles). i don't know what you were expecting.
>played so much undocked that undocked with joycon is the best way for me to playsurely it cant be just me
>>240694318you are little baby boy
>>240694198Honestly I never seen unga bunga used this much in a fighting game more than Smash. Every character in this game needs unga bunga intellect.
>>240694350thank you, just in case though - is this taken with the picture stretched to cover the whole monitor area?
>>240694376I've literally never played docked because I don't have a TV
>disable>smashgod im just sof uCKING SKILLDE
>>240690254Other fighting games don't have half as much taunting either. It is genuinely quite rare to get taunted in most other fighting games, even during completely safe windows like stun before death.I barely get any runbacks either, while in most other games it borders on an expectation if the connection is decent. Smash really does have a uniquely terrible playerbase.
>>240694548let's crowd fund and get this anon a monitor
>>240693347whats the point behind this post again
Nintendo is so fucking worthless holy shit
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>>240694590gee i wonder who you just lost to
>>240693589I think this is the first game where everyone has the same jump squat frames so it can be a struggle to some people that are used to their character being different.
There is nothing in this world more satisfying than constantly pelting a Ganon player with projectiles.
Holy fuck Fox's jab comes out on frame 2, what the shit.
>>240694590>actually getting hit by disablelmao
>>240694764Whoops, the ID is HNYPP
Why are smash attacks so safe? Is it because of the online? So many times I try to grab someone after I shield or spot dodge their smash attack just for them to spot dodge the grab and punish me.
>>240694837Beating that person as Ganon
>>240694875guys dont tell him about little mac
>>240694930alright, thanks a lot for the pictures
>>240694936you're not supposed to shield them, they've always have a lot of shieldstun and knockback, making them hard to punish on a shield.
>>240695069Even when I spot dodge them I can't punish.
>>240694961Yeah but Fox is actually a usable character, unlike Mac.>>240694936Online latency makes everything more safe and shield grabs/grabs in general are worse than in Smash 4.Try figuring out your other out of shield options, a lot of characters have good aerials or up-b's out of shield that are better at punishing online.
>open up detailed view of arena rules>get taken out of lineThank you Sakurai
get brapped on son
So something different but are there any specific match ups so far you feel are too heavily in favour of one character so far?Jigglypuff vs Ridley is a particularly horrible one I've found. If there is one thing I'm sure of is Puff is at least decent in this game. But Puff has virtually nothing which can reach Ridley who is happy to spam their FAir and Dtilt which can easily chip around the shield and catch dodges. Only time you win this is when the Ridley misjudges their dodge/land timings, there is absolutely no leeway.
how the fuck are the belmonts not tier 1?
>>240677993Looks pretty free
>>240684315is there thonking in fox version?
New player here. If someone is in the air while I'm on the ground, and they down air while I jump and up air, what determines which attack hits?
I main BowserI don't think anyone at work caught on to me shitting myself, I got a lot of weird looks but hopefully they just assumed the smell was a fart. It wouldn't have been so bad if some spic wasn't hogging the bathroom while the brown slug sloshed around in my boxers. Thankfully I have the next 5 days off so I can put this debacle behind me.
>tfw next in lineI'm going to get fucking destroyed.
Post characters for masochists.
>>240695584Depends on the strength of the character's dair and uair. Different attacks have different priority, it is different for each character.
>>240695443>tickle their balls off-stage>dead
>>240695365Sonic vs Ryu/KenShotos just have no way to even approach sonic. Its his to lose. A few tourney matches have shown this as well, and now any Ryu/Ken main are advised to pocket a secondary
>>240695584aerials don't have priority, if your aerial hitboxes overlap each other's hurtboxes you both get hit
>clash with someone>i can't move for 5 minutes while the other guy can instantlywtf is with this game
>Pierce plays joins>silky smooth 5 fpsI would think by know the people who have shit internet would know.Fix your internet Pierce.
>>240695584hitboxes and body part tangibilitygame doesnt have hurtboxes, it uses model collision, and certain moves make certain body parts intangible for a set durationfor example dks upair makes his head intangible, meaning in situations it would normally trade it just outright wins because the head is ignored when calculating hitbox collision for certain frames of the move
how to sdi?
>>240695772I want her to step on me if that's what you mean
Gannondorf or BowserWho do I main /vg/?
someone tell me the differences between fox and falco, I know about wolf but I've basically been ignoring them since brawl.I know falcos laser is different and he throws his reflector but i nothing about how their normals and aerials stack up
>>240696238ganon is for scrubs. are you one?
>>240696238Bowser is a much better character, but Ganondorf is more fun.
ok i am done. FUCK THAT. GGs guys. I don't even play Kirby.
y'all ever notice sword clashes make a different sound than other hit box clashes
Sorry about that horrendous lag, Serpent.>>240695983It's been fine the whole day, I don't know why it's fucking acting up right now.
bowser's fire breath is extremely fucking annoying
//Daily Armpit Update//Status: Stinky
>>240696816Lucina is ugly.
>>240696816Only a massive weeb who lost in touch with reality would think a Dad would get mad at a friend for looking at someone's armpits
>playing Link>Isabelle pockets my down-b>can't create another onegive me back my bomb you stupid dog
Here whole 4 stars spirits and more in next
How good is mewtwo in ultimate?
>>240697152>give me back my best setup toolNo!
>>240697151>not letting your best friend ogle your future daughter's bodyChrom truly is the worst bro
>>240697335secretly a swordie
>>240697440There the rest
I figured out why my connection was so terrible. My parents are streaming Netflix on the 4K smart TV, and it's hogging all the bandwidth.
Which Smash character is most fun to watch?
>get into elite smash>Waiting for a match over 5 minutes>First fight is a fucking Bowser jr with jtems and smash ball on>He's not even fucking good at all but masterballs and invincible stars always spawn on his fucking face >He plays in stage hazard levels so it's a dick and a half>His final smash is an option piece of shit that covers the entire stage >Get knocked out of elite even though I almost 3 stocked him but he literally got masterballs j to assist trophy j to pokeball into super flag thing that gives a stock into invincible star mid combo
If I'm not a furry, is there a reason to play Isabelle over Villager? She feels kinda garbage. Villager feels way more well-rounded and formidable in the neutral.
>>240697335Those tailwhips and nairs eat my fucking lunch
>>240697860Ridley and street fighters
That fight against me about busted my hemorrhoids
>>240697860I really enjoy matches with Chrom.He's fast, aggressive and either kills the opponent really quickly or dies quickly himself.Matches with him never drag on.
>>240698243The slow, telegraphed, easily-avoidable hitgrab?
I just beat dk&lady and tabuu one after the other and the boner still hasn't subsided
>take one of Smash Bros' classic characters (Marth)>genderswap him to attract all the waifufag knuckledraggers>remove the unique, skill-based mechanic that made him challenging but rewarding to master (tipping)>end up with a brainless, boring, overpowered autopilot character with a retard-tier skill floorfuck this scrub bait character and any subhuman that likes, plays, or supports her
how the fuck do I get off the ledge without getting hit
was dedede always this slow holy fuck
imagine smash but precise inputs
>>240698991press shield and you roll up
>>240698962Imagine being bothered by easy wins.
Is there any way to buy a new wavebird receiver? Found my old controller but not the plug in for it.
>>240699268it's cancerous game design
why are there music tracks locked behind World of LightI don't wanna play this terrible mode anymore
>>240699420yeah but fun too
>>240699398Sounds like an IGN review, take the win and move on.
>get ssbu>havent played like 6 years ago >beat wol just spamming rolls and smashes>get all the figthers>deicde to play a simple smash with a random CPU LVL9 >lost 3-0 against a bowser>mfwam i on time to git gud again or im lost?
>>240698962>Instead of taking advantage of a character that I think is too strong, I am going to go on /ssbg/ and complain!epic
>>240699550yea melee is fun with 5 characters. melee is hot garbage that tards pretend is competitivealso, anyone else got a room up? i just got thrown to the back of the line for changing characters ffs fuck this
>>240698962Literally everything you said is 100% true.I still think she's hot though.
>>240699741game is more fun when you get gooddo it
>>240699893you don't need more than 5 characters, melee thrived because there aren't that many autistic matchups to learn and the barrier to entry is much lower, which then flourished in the advanced tech department.With 74 characters and having to learn each and every single matchup, you will see a lot of melee brainlets quickly dropping the game.
>>240699893Literally any single one of those 5 characters is more fun than the entirety of the ultimate roster by far. Keep whining.
>>240699924is it more fun with the pro controller or the GC controller?the joycons are too fucking sensitive
>>240700018>my opinion is factbut behold, ultimate is way better than melee. get fucked fag trump says my opinion is law now. if you say otherwise youre going to mexico
>>240698962I don't care that Lucina is ezmode Marth. I just wish they gave her Aether like Chrom has.
Its amazing how stale the online has become so quick>PK fire spamming ness into grab into >90 for backthrow kill>Laggy Ganons>Projectile spamming Young Links and Wolfs>CloudsLiterally the only matches I have now both inside and outside elite and watching streams it doesn't seem uncommon. I'd kill for an anime swordsman right now
>>240700136i use gc controller but pro controller is also perfectly fine
>>240687759Haha wouldnt it be funny if Itoi died and Nintendo still didnt release Mother 3 in the west hahah spitting on his name
>>240700175I wish they gave her her mask as an alt instead of a taunt
>>240700168get a hold of yourself holy shit what was that comment
>>240700256I fought an incredibly good Roy with 0 lag and it was the most fun Ive had in Smash, the hate against anime swordsmen is overexaggerated
>>240700471People are probably scared to venture online without a projectile spam or reflector due to absolute stale shitters non stop
Online is just lag input projectile spam, playing a character with no range is really cancer or luck.>Lag ranged characters I just wipe it
>>240700260GreatTime to get back on shape
>>240700168Yeah I guess you are right, mentally handicapped people might find ultimate more fun since you need zero brainpower to play it and is probably accessible for literal toddlers. I should have considered them as well. For anyone else who actually likes having to think and go through a deep but rewarding learning curve, Melee it is.
>>240700608but anime swordsmen have both projectiles and counter/reflects
>>240700716Bait, but Id like to say anyway that Melee is really fucking boring nowadays, especially with the introduction of Jiggly into top tier status
>>240699367You can look for 2nd hand ones on Ebay and maybe Amazon.
>>240699759>only playing cause they’re strong Epik
>>240700168What the fuck.>>240700716What. The. Fuck.
>>240684932>>240678391Sorry, fellas, but this is the REAL Samus.
>>240700940>he never experienced what it's like to get out of pools in a tournament
>>240701114>actually going out and interacting with people Normies OUT REEEEEE.
>>240690116>Missing the obviously hinted Uther
>>240701105I dont get what people see in Samus to portray her this way. She is a goddamn hardened mercenary, and she doesnt show emotions unless its something deeply troubling or moving.Is it the fucking ZSS taunts
>>240697919Her side B is pretty fun and has some really interesting functionality. Her down B I think is much better for attacking and she still has access to pocket.My biggest gripe is how bad her jab is but I like her design and play style more than villagerThat said she's still only a fun main, and I don't expect to do well with her
So why exactly are furries attracted to Lucario? He's an immense manlet, not even 4 feet tall and 119 pounds. That's like a 9 year old.
>>240701382ZSS in general and Other M, I think.
Why are people so obsessed with early tier lists?I mean, some things are obvious and won't change. Peach is obviously incredible. But people are already coming around on day one "low tiers" or being more realistic about day one "top tiers". Let the meta establish.
>>240701382That's not sexy slutty Samus. That's chilling out with a brewski after a hard day of melting space pirates Samus.Know the difference. It could save your life.
>>240701245Aside from the PK freeze buff his other moves feel worse.I felt like he had great sweet spots and spikes that seem less effective nowI feel like his grabs are harder to land and combo from as well
>>240701554Making and evaluating lists comes just after food and water but before reproduction on the human needs tier list.
>>240701454>Other MLeave it to Team Ninja to take established characters and fucking ruin them by either sexualization if female or stupid character writing if male. Or even worse, just making OC like "Linkle" when Nintendo says they cant fuck with Link
grab the FUCKING ledge you godamn NIGGER
>>240699993With 74 characters, the game should've had a 3on3 stock mode like King of Fighters. Where every stock is a diffrent character. But only one of each echoe pair is allowed in a team. With 8 player matches this would be more than possible for the engine to handle. This would put a lot more variety in matches I think.Also Duck Hunt is the hypest character in the game brainlets need not apply.
>>240701210holy epicI can tell by how you spout old memes you are a cool 4channerco-opting boarding culture for the win!maybe go back to /r9k/ if you love their humor so much
This really is the most normie general out there. Yikes.
>>240701874It does, it's called Squad Strike but you can't play it online.
>>240701874there is a mode like this under smash mode. i dont have my switch here to check what its called and i think its only 1v1 tho
>2.8m GSP cloud
>>240701649Not Anon, but PK Freeze is literally all Lucas needs to kill confirm
>>240701382she always had some emotion even in game, let alone in secondary materials, she's not some shell shocked robot
>>240699741I've heard the lvl9 AI is pretty crazy
I love Lucas' up-smash. It feels like I'm psychically nutting all over my opponent.
>>240699741lvl 9 cpus are cancerthey're retards who'll eat the most obvious attacks, SD for no reason, and pull pants on head retarded moves, but they input read and have perfect frame data so they get away with itset it to like 7/8
>>240702159>He thinks GSP matters
>>240702080>r9k humorHave you been there in the past couple years?Poopoo peepee basically ruined the place and was ineffectual in the long run anyway, now its simply a shell of its former self where losers go to whine when /b/ doesnt give a shit about their plight
>>240702162*grabs you at 60**throws you off stage* *PK FREEZE* *die* Heh, nothing personal kid.
>>240701796The Nips are still mad that Metriod Prime was so popular and was by western devs. WE SAMUS AND DONKEY KONG NOW. Nips go back to making New Super Mario bros cashgrab. This is why they are trying to forcibly Japanesify Samus into shitty waifu bait with ZSS while crying... Ridley is... t-to big!! He-hes not popular!!KRool and Ridley were objectively the most based inclusions and they had to grind to get here, because a lot of the old Nintendo execs have a huge bais against western developed nintendo franchises. Donkey Kongs entire identity is western. Still kinda wish DK had a barrel toss move but whatever.
>>240701796Team Ninja didn't write the story for Other M. All of that bullshit was Sakamotos doing.
Should I sign up for the tournament?? I need emotional support guys.
What are the tournament-legal stages with the tightest blast zones?WarioWare, Brinstar, what else?
>>240702519Not an argument. Also, I'm 2.9 million GSP even though I didn't play Q*ick Play in weeks
My connection seems pretty bad at times, but I want to test if I at least can have stable matches against other people in East Coast NA. I'm ok with limiting the pool of players I can practice with if it means that at least I can play productivelySomeone from EC please help me test it. If it's irredeemable shit even from someone that close then I'll just let this be my only month that I'll pay for onlineRoom ID: LXYMMPass: 7243
>>240702543Fuck off DK player.
>>240702592get an adapter dude its like $8. makes the shittest conenctions work. ill join in a bit
>>240702634What a baseless accusation. Incineroar
>>240701796there is nothing wrong with linkle, kinda-chuuni who coincidentally fits the description of the reincarnating hero is cute
>>240702424you know the western sjws want to turn samus into a transgender right>>240702589Post your GSP with timestamp
>>240702673I can't connect to Ethernet because I rent a room in a house and the modem/router/ethernet connections are all down a floor and across the house. She won't let me use ethernet over power either
>>240702543Yoshi's Story and, to a lesser degree, Yoshi's Island and Pokemon Stadium 2 have smaller blast zones then most others. I've noticed that in general a lot of stages have really high ceilings this time around, characters that kill off the top a lot like meta knight will struggle more to land kills now.
who is the worst character and why is it Corrin
>>240702836Worst by what metric
>Stuck forever 100k below elite with my main due to having 100+ matches and @ 55~% WR with him.At least I'm learning how to deal with the anxiety of playing against good players.
>>240702836Because the people who chose what to keep in Fate's script are as retarded as she is.The writer wrote over 1000 pages worth of lore for it and much of it was scrapped. Then the localization was handled by randoms picked from Deviant Art, which is why the diction in the dialogue reads like a high school fan fiction.
>>240702836because you're a faggotcorrin's great
somebody stop this game & watch menace
>>240702769Thats the biggest goddamn meme in the world, even if she was transgender, she's a fucking bird lady, how are you supposed to relate to that
>>240702769Here. GSP still doesn't matter, if you honestly think that you have no clue about this system.
>>240702978What's pissing me off is I can get 2.6 or 2.7m easy then I lose 400-500k at that point, only get around 100-200k per win. The cycle continues.
>>240703038I always smash his bussy but I’m not home right now.
>"tourney legal stages">brinstar and kongo jungleWhat tbe fuck dqm?
>>240703063How the fuck did an aussie get the ability to post shit? I thought they were outlawed decades ago
>>240703243Hazardless Brinstar is a great state.
>>240703038yea i left because of that
How do online matches work in smash ultimate? Is it true that it has some short of matchmaking now?
Who's hosting a /vg/ arena? I'm tired of shit GSP fights against ike all night.
>>240703387Yes. It's garbage though.And so is the online mode in general.
>>240703496my hed hurts and it's 4am over here, my brain isn't working properly anymore
>>240703468Could you elaborate more?
>>240703063>sub-elite>G-GSP DOESN'T MATTER I SWEAR
>P1 Ready!>P2 Ready!>>>>>...>P3 Ready!NO GOD PLEASE NO
>>240703387I believe GSP always existed online, it was just invisible. I can’t find the Nintendo Direct where they explained Smash 4’s online mode so if anyone remembers when that was please let me know.
>>240703720GSP had nothing to do with matchmaking prior to ultimate
>>240703606I don't even play QP you dunce. And GSP doesn't matter, many people don't even play QP and there are many ways to cheese GSP with illegal rulesets. If you honestly think GSP shows how skilled you are, something in your head probably isn't working. Cmon, you can't be that stupid.
>>240703387>>240703567Pay him no mind, he's just a low GSP shitter. The online is fine as long as you're good enough to not get stuck in casual shitter hell. You're matched based on GSP.
Hey Njils, how would you say that connection is? Is it acceptable?
>>240703606When will they learn? Good show.
>>240703567You get matched against people with similar GSP. The problem with GSP is that it's super easy to get by cheesing and picking the dumbest fucking rules you can possibly come up with to make it as easy as possible for your character. And the matchmaking only tries to find matches with your preferred rules, but it can still fail and match you in free for alls w/ items or team battles, which STILL affect your GSP. So basically GSP is a broken mess and it makes the matchmaking ineffective. And randomly getting matched against people with completely different fucked up rules in a ranked match is fucking stupid.The online in general is kinda dumb, you can get terrible connections even with people who live close and have adapters because the netcode blows dick. Even in the best cases the difference in input delay is still noticeable.In general
>>240703816Elite players don't lose to shitters who can only win with illegal rules. You would know this if you were actually there. Although maybe not since the EU smash scene is utter trash.
>>240702769Transgender people are literally mentally Ill and makeup .001% of humans. Most transgender people are spoiled kids with too much internet time. Fuck DJWs they don't even fucking play video games... REEEEEEEEE
6 hours of QP and I went from 2.7m to 2.3mOnly about 25 of the matches had hazards on, or items on, or staminabut so many of them were laggy spam fights of projectiles or just running around and it got so damn oldIf only I could get a full refund on this game and my gc controller, my buddies who got it don't even log in anymore
>>240703918It stuttered here and there but it was fine by me.
>>240702592Can the anons in this lobby give me feedback on the connection?
>>240704283then play arenas dipstick
>>240703915I don't know how you can call it fine when the horrendous netcode guarantees that every match will be at the very least moderately laggy
>>240704171>Elite players don't lose to shitters who can only win with illegal rulesEven if it were true, it doesn't change the fact that GSP doesn't matter if you can use illegal rulesets. Not only that but you can also do shit like lagswitching and as I already said some people don't even play QP. There are people with way lower GSP than you who would body you like a child. ZeRo fucking destroys people in his GSP range, you know why? Because GSP isn't an accurate representation of your skill. Use your brain
>>240704156Bull fucking shit. You only run into shitter rules if you're in low-GSP hell, because that's where all the casual shitters are. If you're at any sort of reasonable GSP you'll only get meme rules 2% of the time at worst. In my 600 matches I've encountered like 10 of them with illegal rules. And I haven't been forced into anything that isn't a 1v1 in a fucking month.
How do I git gud at Smash?I'm hanging out with friends tomorrow and we're all going to be playing Smash and I'm tired of always getting last
I believe that if you think you are 'good' at smash, yet constantly have a fucking cry about online FFA matches, time battles, item battles and other """""illegal rulesets""""", then you actually aren't very good. Yet faggots will defend to the death that 1vs1, no items, smashville is the only measure of skill that matters.I also believe that if you are good at FPS in a game like battlefield, you will be good in the vehicles, good in infantry-only maps, good at playing all classes, good in small, medium and large maps and leading a squad. Meanwhile I dont see a single fucking person anywhere on this world declaring that the only measure of skill in FPS games is 1vs1, pistols only, wild west shootout.What's the difference? Hint: There is fucking none. The best smash players in the world win no matter what the game mode is. FFA, Items, final smash meter. It doesnt matter, they are the best and they always win. If you can't win different game modes, it means you need to get better.Stop fucking crying because Nintendo forces you out of your comfort zone and expects you to expand your skill set. If you were playing literally any other competitive game, MobA, FPS, Sports, whatever you would realise that being good at one tiny aspect of the game gets your shit wiped out.
>>240703791I wish I could confirm that by finding the original example of GSP
Ok arena upID - KMP4RPASS - 7243Region - NASlots - 6 (I'll be speccing so 5)Stages - Mostly compBottom one leavesMode - 1v1 3 stocks
Volsung, yes that is quite laggy of a fight. Getting an adapter would be a good idea.
>>240704494Pick a Belmont, Olimar or Young LinkConstantly run away and plink with projectiles from a distance and then run out the clock once you have a stock advantage
240704569do you think you're gonna get a single person falling for stale pasta, why even post it?
>>240704426How the fuck does it not change that fact? Nobody in their right mind loses to shitters that choose illegal rules. This means that these shitters aren't high GSP. I've seen lagswitchers before, they get forcefully disconnected after a bit. ZeRo destroys people at his GSP range because he's at the highest possible GSP range. The game isn't going to fucking make up a new number that doesn't exist just for him.
>>240704642>>240704860>>240704923oops these were all meant for >>240704569, sorry im still new to 4chan and figuring it out haha
>>240704738I would if I could access the Ethernet where I live.
>>240704494Do not try and git gud in Smash, that's impossible.Instead, only try to realize the truth.There is no Smash.
What happened to Ice Climbers in this game? I don't remember them feeling so shitty
>>240704401The netcode is fine, you just have shit internet and are desperate to blame something else for it. I haven't had a single laggy match in the past week.
>>240704721Alright is the general dead or did I miss an active arena
why did nintendo make a character too small to be hit by shorthop aerials
>>240705035no really, acting this transparently accomplishes nothing, the only reactions are telling you no one's buying it, does being immediately dismissed amuse you this much?
>>240705074Sakurai made them horribly shit just in case they had some broken tech that went under the radar like in every other game they were in. They didn't this time, so now they're just shit.
>>240704976>Nobody in their right mind loses to shitters that choose illegal rules. You fucking idiot playing with illegal rulesets makes the game invalid. The GSP you just earned or lost shouldn't fucking exist. Quick Play is broken and the fact that you can use illegal rulesets isn't even the only reason for that.
>>240705245>does being immediately dismissed amuse you this much?does the pope diddle little boys?
>>240703606GSP doesn't matter
>>240705124Literally every single top player, all of which are better than both you and me, have had the same issues since launch, and still constantly have the same complaints to this day. Either your reactions are slow as shit and you can't even notice the difference in input delay or you are just making shit up.
I'm a hardcore Smash Bros fan, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in Hyrule Castle where I would often train with Zelda in the training grounds and help Link with the Bow training, but one day as I was talking to Link, we went to my dormitory for a private talk. He immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave him a confused look and he continued, "We understand that you live on earth and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" He then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, dullard!"This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. He then said, "I talked with Princess Zelda and she agreed that you would be PERFECT as a Hyrulean soldier, you just have to do...one thing". He then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" He then said "Zelda said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?..." He giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.I then agreed and he gave me a high five, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and i purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.
>>240705486>You fucking idiot playing with illegal rulesets makes the game invalid. The GSP you just earned or lost shouldn't fucking exist.Oh no, I have 100 illegitimate GSP on top of the mountain of it that I already had. I'm a fraud.
how do you counter simon/richter?
>>240705580>only 7lmfao this boy thinks he matters
JokerDIES!!!ID: HNYPPPassword: 11037East Cost, New York1v1 3 stock 7 minutes, competitive random stagesetStill alive
>>240705692Not an argument, fuck off
>>240705716>7Good math game, boy.
>parry the bowser down special causing them to fall off the edgeROCK FUCKING HARD BABY
>>240705716>can't even count>trying to downplay other people's opinions
>>240705824>doesn't have an argument so he just dismisses the opposing argumentLow GSP shitters, everyone. The funniest part is how they claim you can just cheese GSP, but still can't even get elite. Biggest case of sour grapes I've ever seen.
>>240705704Soft and hard reads to punish them when they go on autopilot. It's still tough but I managed to screw one over as Roy, and that's an accomplishment enough for me.
>>240705841>he fell for the parry memeyou're lucky you didn't die, that's the most risky option in the game
>>240705580This picture is irrelevant unless you also have a way to prove where you live. Obviously the Smash scene is braindead in any place other than North America and Japan, so getting elite elsewhere would be easy pickings. Especially with those shitter-stomping characters.
>>240705124You're obviously too retarded to tell the difference between offline and online, I have a fast, wired connection and I've never had an online match without noticable delay
>>240701382chill out bruh samus is allowed to have some me-time every once in a while, it's not all about bounty work
>>240706153Pure wolf furry power
>>240706028Look you fucking low IQ moron, not every good player plays Quick Play and not every high GSP player is a good player since you can cheese it with illegal rulesets.>The funniest part is how they claim you can just cheese GSP, but still can't even get elite. I literally don't fucking play Quick Play you absolutely retarded monkey. If you honestly think GSP matters in a fucking discussion it shows just how stupid you are. You remind me of the subhumans who say shit like "WELL UH MAKE IT BETTER YOURSELF" morons who come out of the woodwork when you criticise a shit game. Fucking hang yourself
>>240706258>he fell for the wired memeI literally play in tabletop mode with no cable and never lag. Convince your mom to upgrade your internet plan, kiddo.
can I get a quick rundown on lucas? is he really that bad?
He must be replying to himself at this point.
>>240705804Fucking spoiler alert bro, I haven't finished The Dark Knight
>>240703243Kongo jungle is ok
>>240706424The only good thing about Lucas is PK Freeze, which is a predictable but very strong edgeguard tool.
I'm having a character crisis and it's not fun. I wish magic 8 balls worked so the universe could tell me who to play.
>>240706318>there are a few minor flaws and exceptions so the whole thing doesn't count!!!Look here, you braindead fucking amoeba. You literally cannot comment on this shit because YOU AREN'T ELITE. If you WERE elite, you would know that choosing random illegal rules results in you getting shit on. Thus nobody fucking uses them. Some random shitter trying to abuse illegal rules once per hundred matches does not invalidate the legitimacy of the entire system. Much like a shit-coated fly landing on your food does not contaminate the entire meal.
>>240706935maybe we can help anon, tell us how you like to play & who you've played in the past
>>240706408Stay in denial, retard
>>240706170I live in Illinois. Here's the other side of the letter with my information omitted. I still don't think GSP matters, at least not how many make it out to. People should take advantage of the matchmaking by rematching first to two wins, that's how you get better.
>tfw I don't have matchup experience with 1/3 of the roster because everyone online plays the same fucking characters.
Shit man I'm getting worse as the night goes on
>>240706938>You literally cannot comment on this shit because YOU AREN'T ELITEIT LITERALLY DOESNT MATTER YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Someone who doesn't even play the game could point out how flawed the system is.You absolutely fucking retarded ape nothing, NOTHING you said changes the fact that GSP doesn't fucking matter. Playing Quick Play intead of Arena doesn't make you a better player, how fucking retarded can you be. How are you retarded enough to believe every single player plays QP only. Holy shit unironically kill yourself, your low IQ is poisoning the genepool
Njils and Aerthas, thanks for the games! I seem to be able to get decent connection, better than with randoms, so I guess east coast is passable. Had several stable games with Njils.I'll be sure to warn people though that my connection is limited and I'll leave if I ever muck up people's roomsAlso fighting with you guys is great, I only tried a few fights with randoms and I feel that I learn against you guys
post characters you've literally never seen in the wild
>>240706938>Still ignoring >>240705580You're embarassing yourself at this point.
>>240707117That's not really proof with how long you took. Regardless, even if you are elite in a place with a relevant scene, your opinion is just that. The people in elite are objectively better than the people below it, because you need to maintain a positive win rate to be in elite. It doesn't mean that elite lacks bad players, those will occasionally slip through the cracks by luck. But they always fall out almost immediately.
>>240707117I can't trust a man who rips opens letters like a savage.
>>240707329when fighting wolf, if they are really campy try to stay either inside of or outside of their side B slash range. conditioning people to keep jumping is a great way to get a free side Bthats my tip for the day
>>240707369The fuck are you talking about? I've been replying to him this entire time in between babysitting this sour grapes amoeba over here.
ROFL why are sub 500k players so toxic compared to elites?Playing an old failed alt and literally everyone t-bags and taunts end of match in the dumpster elo
>>240678289With a regular short-hop, you can bait out later aerial attacks. The shortcut just makes you throw out a short-hop aerial ASAP.
>>240707235stop responding to the sakurai apologist, everybody with a brain here knows you're right
>>240707235>low GSP shitter calling other people retardedImagine being so bad that you can't even get to the top 3%
What do you guys think is the best looking omega/battlefield stage? I think Summit looks pretty nice.
waifu tier listdispute this
>>240707410>he people in elite are objectively better than the people below itWrong. Some people don't even play QP, some people even cheese their way into Elite by lag switching or using illegal rulesets and even the people who got into Elite by playing the normal way, implying they're better than everyone who isn't Elite is outright retarded. You don't have a single argument to prove your retarded claim. The sole fact that some people don't play QP completely disregards everything you said
>>240707812>bayo on same tier as rosadisgusting
>villager cpu>frame perfect pockets>literally NOTHING but gyroid rockets during neutral no matter how much you punish them for it until that fucking sound is ringing in your earsgod these faggots are painful in WoL
why are combos so weird and hard in smash brosI can play regular fighting games just fine but in smash I can't do a 3 hit combo
>>240707064I've mained Dedede for ten years and that's not going to change. The issue is choosing a secondary. I like Ken (I was a Ryu secondary in Sm4sh), Pokemon Trainer, and Inkling. The problem is Ken has so much depth he makes Ryu look like a character for babies, and Pokemon Trainer is 3-in-1. I feel like I can't have BOTH as secondaries, they each take up too much time to learn. I need to pick one. But even just picking one, I feel like not only would I need to drop the other, but I'd probably need to drop Inklings for a long time while I get the secondary I do choose up to a competitive standard as well. This is a shame because Inkling is the first rushdown character I've enjoyed over the entire lifespan of this series. It's probably not something anyone can help with. I know who I like, it's just a shame that two of them are the sort of character who don't really facilitate splitting up your practice time with other characters.
>>240707657Not an argument
>>240707919>liking hairy girlsshe only breaks mid tier with the short hair+glasses combo
SO CLOSE VOLSUNGSO FUCKING CLOSE
>>240707410I don't know how long it took really. Keep in mind that I try to rematch basically everyone if the connection is solid, though a lot of people in earlier GSP will not rematch.When I say GSP doesn't matter, I don't mean that there can't be a difference in skill level. I say it doesn't matter because I see a lot of people who are fixated on getting into Elite Smash, instead of learning how to actually play the game. Not to mention the fact that you can cheese the system in a number of ways by picking rulesets that favor your character, or putting on silly settings like one stock, 3 minutes, with pitfalls only on FD or something. Additionally, there's players who don't really play QP. Personally I've been playing in lobbies a lot more instead recently. I kind of wish we just went back to a modified version of For Glory. >>240707470>manI'm a woman.
>>240707235>IT LITERALLY DOESNT MATTER YOU FUCKING IDIOTAnd where's your proof that it doesn't matter? You sure are good at shouting the same stupid shit over and over, but you've yet to provide any evidence that the majority of people in elite aren't good players. You just keep repeating endlessly that you can cheat the system, when I've stated multiple times that such isn't the case and never happens, and rather than backing up your claims with evidence you just keep screeching.>Playing Quick Play intead of Arena doesn't make you a better playerNow you're just making shit up. I've never claimed that it's impossible to be good if you aren't in elite. But if you aren't in elite you have no right pretending you're good, because there's no proof without fighting you directly, which nobody is going to fucking do every time a dispute comes up.>How are you retarded enough to believe every single player plays QP onlyI think you need a psych evaluation, I've never said half of the shit you're rambling about.
>>240708021What if you’re just bad.
>>240708070>hairy girlsexcuse me?
>>240708146anonher clothes is her body hair
who's the most boring character, gameplay-wise?
>>240708270Iketilts, jabs and airs and nothing else
>>240707868I'm obviously referring to people who play quick play regularly and can't get elite. If you actively play quick play and aren't elite, you are worse than the people in elite.
Wheres the arena lads
>>240708270ikeprojectile zoners if you play online, although offline they are much better both to play as and to play against
>>240708110>And where's your proof that it doesn't matter?GSP isn't an accurate representation of skill and besides that you don't need to be good in the game to understand a system that has nothing to do with the gameplay you mouthbreathing downie fucking kys>I've never claimed that it's impossible to be good if you aren't in eliteYou literally said elite players are objectively better than non elites>But if you aren't in elite you have no right pretending you're good,Wrong because GSP isn't an accurate representation of skill you fucking idiot, for reasons I already said a ton of times which you haven't even disproven yet.
>someone says GSP doesn't matter>"post yours then">they post it>"lmao not even elite">someone else that IS elite posts theirs>"w-well you must not be in a good region">they're in a good region>"b-b-but"Just stop. Telling people they can't have an opinion because of an online score is absolutely ridiculous. Especially with a system as flawed as GSP. Maybe I'd understand just a bit more if this game had a proper ranked mode but even then, you shouldn't hold them to points. The best players are usually going to locals offline anyway.
any basics/beginner guides for improving? i played melee casually as a kid but im basically a beginner. where do i start?
>>240708091It may as well be your win. You bodied me as Marth with one of his worst matchups for most of the game
>>240708376Up your ass
>>240707812Peach down, maybe even 2 down.Corrin could up one. Could.Robin up one.Bayo up one.Samus down one. ZSS stays there.Zelda down one. Don't put a Claimed tier if you're going to share your list.8/10 definitely could have been worse.
>start jabbing in the wrong direction>opponent rolls into itgoddamn i'm good
Post em boys
>>240708021PKMN trainer definitely isn't a secondary-ish character imo, if you plan on picking them up you definitely need to ONLY pick them up. Leffen (regardless of what you think of him) has a correct view on the character, you have to learn every matchup 3x which is quite rough.I would say focus your decision between Ken and Inkling. Inkling seems like it would be easier to pick up and do well with, and probably serves the function of a secondary a lot better. It's also nice when you find a character you find fun, it'll probably be nice learning a whole new character in this game.This is all assuming you're considering taking these characters to tourneys of course, you're always free to play whatever for fun.
>>240708270Olimar, but that's merely subjective for me>>240708356>"I got my ass kicked by Ike."
>>240708451https://youtu.be/L30sLmV3Dpsstart with this
>>240707812Peach down to CDaisy up to ARosalina down to CTrainer up to BInkling down to D
>>240708398>has nothing to do with the gameplayWhat the fuck does this even mean? Do I gain GSP by taking a shit IRL?>You literally said elite players are objectively better than non elitesYou literally misinterpreted me to make your argument look better.>reasons I already said a ton of times which you haven't even disproven yetThe burden of proof is on you, since you're the one claiming GSP doesn't matter, shitter.
>>240706424Lucas main here, don't listen to >>240706934 , if you're still here I'll actually explain him to you.
>>240708323How is he wrong tho
>>240708573>>I got my ass kicked by Ikethe opposite actually, I main Ike.I always gravitate to the most boring, basic-bitch characters in fighting games (Jack in Tekken, Ryu in Street Fighter, etc)
I got work in the morning. I'll get you next time Volsung.
>>240708525get jelly bois
>>240708631thanks, i appreciate it.this channel seems exactly what i was looking for.
>>240708656Your GSP doesn't have to do anything with the gameplay, are you actually fucking retarded? You could be the highest GSP there is and still don't grasp how it works. You don't need to play the game at all to understand the simple as fuck way Quick Play works. Holy shit you manage to surprise me with every single post, with just how fucking stupid you are.>The burden of proof is on you, since you're the one claiming GSP doesn't matterStill waiting for you to disprove the fact that you can cheese GSP or just don't play QP at all. As I said, you can be a good player and don't play QP at all, you can theoretically be the best fucking player in the world and play arena/locals only. Do you have downsyndrome or something like that? Your stupidity actually hurts my fucking head. The ONLY scenario where GSP would remotely matter is one where arena/locals don't exist and you can't use illegal rulesets
>>240708837Ike is just the simplest flavor of the month currently.There's at least a dozen simpler characters.
Thanks again for the game Aerthas and Njils! I'm going to go eat.
>>240708742I'm sorry. Just make a lobby if you'd like to play. Ctrl+f when you get in the thread
>>240708116Maybe. I'm not great and I'll never win anything outside of locals, but I can at least make great players work for their win. I beat Abadango once in a friendly. >>240708552Yeah maybe you're right. I do go to tourneys but maybe I'll just learn PT's throw combos with Squirtle and uair/up+B kill setups with Ivysaur well enough to mess around with PT as a tertiary in casual matches, and focus on deciding between Ken and Inkling as a real, dedicated secondary. Thanks.
How long does it take you guys to get about as good with a secondary as you are with your main? My Wario kept getting bodied in one of the earlier arenas and I thought everyone was just better than me but then I switched to G&W and sweeped everyone.
>tfw no zero suit samus skin with the green hair and the pink leotard.
>>240709112>Your GSP doesn't have to do anything with the gameplayOkay, you seem to be a literal toddler, so I'm gonna explain it real slow. You gain GSP when you win. You lose GSP when you lose. This means that people who are good at the game have high GSP. Get it, little man?>waiting for you to disprove the fact that you can cheese GSPHow the fuck am I supposed to prove that something doesn't happen? Are you mentally ill? Do you not understand the burden of proof? You claim something exists, you have to prove it exists. If I assert that pigs can fly, I can't then go "WELL YOU HAVEN'T PROVED THAT THEY CAN'T." Jesus.>As I said, you can be a good player and don't play QP at allWhen the fuck did I say that you can't? My point is that your opinion on anything is irrelevant unless you can prove you're a good player, and being elite is the simplest way to prove that.
>"hehehehe im gonna turn items on to cheese myself some GSP">player that is better than you beats you with items on anyway>
>Background matchmaking>Find opponent in 8-12 seconds>"""Quickplay""">30 seconds for the match to start+another 5 seconds for it to "Get Ready"
>>240709616>This means that people who are good at the game have high GSPWrong you fucking moron because you can be good at the game and don't have high GSP because you don't even take part in the fucking QP system.>You claim something exists, you have to prove it exists.People with illegal rulesets in elite exists, there are videos of it all over YT you moron>My point is that your opinion on anything is irrelevant unless you can prove you're a good playerYour point is fucking retarded because being good at the game has nothing to do with the knowledge about the Quick Play system, you fucking idiot, you drooling subhuman jump off a fucking cliff
>>240709763That image coupled with your post made me lose my shit at 5 AM, thanks Anon.
>>240709762did that to a DK. he killed me with assist trophies twice, but i managed to fuck him in the ass with the death scythe
>>240709762>"hehehehe im gonna turn items on to cheese myself some GSP">Win against way better player because I got the MH assist trophy twicenothin personnel
>>240709763just tried this and you need to navigate back to the menu every time you want to queue up?
>>240710046>Wrong you fucking moron because you can be good at the game and don't have high GSP because you don't even take part in the fucking QP system.I already addressed this point later in the post, but I guess reading is hard for you.>People with illegal rulesets in elite exists, there are videos of it all over YT you moronI never denied that they exist, my claim is that they're so rare that they're irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You keep insisting that they do matter, thus why the burden of proof is on you.>Your point is fucking retarded because being good at the game has nothing to do with the knowledge about the Quick Play system, you fucking idiot, you drooling subhuman jump off a fucking cliffI mean you're free to voice your opinion on that matter, but it really doesn't matter as long as you're a sub-elite shitter.
>>240710360>I already addressed this point later in the post, but I guess reading is hard for you.Except you didn't>they're so rareIt doesn't matter how fucking rare they are, they exist which already proves me wrong, kys.>I mean you're free to voice your opinion on that matter, but it really doesn't matter as long as you're a sub-elite shitter.Literally not a fucking argument. At this point you're just going "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU". Fucking embarassing, off yourself. >>>OpinionIt's a fact you fucking moron
>>240710052No problem. I was going to use a less fitting image, but I found that Yoshi image and saved it for the same reason. Some Anon used it in an argument against me and I saw it and didn't respond back because the image made me laugh too hard.>>240710316Pretty much. It's basically like SFV's match-making except you don't have to stare at the damn screen the entire time you're waiting, you can go to training mode and etc.
>>240708425The problem with GSP is that it's hard to climb once you hit 30+ matches with any character. I have all the Miis in elite and a few others barely in or just shy. But I also have Mewtwo, Bayo, and Puff stuck at 500k because I played them week 1 and they're all so light that any mistake is a stock. Now I'm putting hella time into Bayo, but it's such a slow crawl (barely 1mill) despite me winning most of the time this past week.
>>240710581>Except you didn'tYou literally replied to it, does your memory last 30 seconds? Is that how amoebas work?>It doesn't matter how fucking rare they areSo basically you lost to a cheesy casual shitter once and cope by pretending the entire mode is irrelevant.>Literally not a fucking argument. At this point you're just going "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU". Fucking embarassing, off yourself. That's funny coming from the guy who keeps claiming that half of my points aren't arguments. Including in this fucking line.>It's a fact you fucking moronWeird, facts usually have evidence.
Cloud is the most boring character in this game.
https://www.fanfiction.net/Enter your main
>>240710770Would be really nice if you could press zr and re-queue
>>240711026That's a weird way to spell Olimar.
>Wario with a projectile that isn't a bikeWhat's their name, /v/?
>>240711008>You literally replied to itWhere? Tell me>So basically you lost to a cheesy casual shitterNot an argument, I also don't play QP >cope by pretending the entire mode is irrelevant.Strawman argument>That's funny coming from the guy who keeps claiming that half of my points aren't arguments. Including in this fucking line.Dismissing everything I say by implying that my opinion doesn't matter because I'm not elite isn't an argument you idiot. Kill yourself, low IQ ape
>>240711075As a Lucario main, I'd rather fucking die.
>>240711075as a bowser main, my butt rash still itches a bit
>>240711221wario with a ray gun
>>240710770you know sfv has background matchmaking too right
>>240711124At least Olimar has to manage his pikmin and use the right ones for a given situation, which takes some skill. CLOD is just another retard anime swordsman with safe and spammable attacks, including his brainless side-b. I can see why people play Olimar, he's actually kinda interesting.
>>240711306>Where? Tell meHere you go, kiddo.>Not an argument>isn't an argument you idiotAt this point you're just pretending my arguments don't exist, just like you pretend you're good at this game.
>Your character now has Wolf's neutral B. What tier is your main now?
is falcon shit in this game
>>240711706Probably lower than before.
idk why i love this puff so much but i do
wheres the arena fags
>>240711790iirc, worse than before but not shitnot sure about the exact changes, but you can probably look that up easily
>>240711790In my opinion he’s not very strong but I reserve judgement because it’s still early. Worth trying.
>>240711591>>240711958You guys are useless.
i will NEVER not laugh my ass off by finishing a match with a waft
>>240711958Up your ass
>>240711683>When the fuck did I say that you can'tYou said that you can't when you said all Elite players are better than non-elite players, which is pure bullshit. I already said it often enough, there are non-elite players better than elite players and there are also elite players who fucking suck ass, simply because GSP is a shit system that doesn't display the exact skill of a player.>At this point you're just pretending my arguments don't existAs I said, dismissing things I say with "MUH GSP" isn't an argument, neither is implying shit that has nothing to do with the discussion like "u're just mad becuz you lost haha". Maybe you should use actual arguments for once if you want to be taken seriously, because just spouting "UH WHAT YOU SAID DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I'M ELITE AND YOU'RE NOT" makes you look like the most stupid fucking poster in this entire general
>>240711470Any advice for a fellow bowser main?
>>240711958>>240712016us arena chads are out slaying puss.it's friday night anon
>>240712162>>240711683Looks like it's time to settle it in smash.
>>240712332Contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion
>>240712305Why are you on 4chan whole fucking bitches?
>>240712427It doesn’t but you guys have been talking in circles for an hour. You should play and let us spectate.
>Kumatora is in>but she's a tag team duo with Stevewould you do it?
>>240712648kumatora is already in
Your range is one fist short.
>>240712162>You said that you can't when you said all Elite players are better than non-elite playersThere you go misinterpreting my words for your own gain again. I'm obviously referring to people who actively play it. People who don't play at all aren't necessarily bad, but they also have no way to prove they're good. Thus their opinions on things such as GSP mattering are irrelevant.
>>240712859>unable to join arenafix ur passcode
>>240713013You put it in wrong. I’m always right.
>>240712837>they also have no way to prove they're good.Unless you're god tier GSP you got no way to prove you're good either. Every retarded shitter can get into Elite.>Thus their opinions on things such as GSP mattering are irrelevant.Wrong because the knowledge about the GSP system has NOTHING to do with your skill in the game. I already said this a fuckton of times. You don't have to play the game at all to understand QP, having high GSP doesn't mean you understand QP, it merely means you're a decent player.
this game is surprisingly unpolished. it feels very rushed.
>>240712427Not anon, but this is a fucking anonymous imageboard that doesn't even archive it's threads. Any "contributions" will remain redundant and the thread will never learn for whatever argument you're discussing.
FUCK Simon players dumb retard range spam bullshit
>>240713249t. Melee cuck
>>240713127>Every retarded shitter can get into EliteAnd thus we're back at your burden of proof issue you keep neglecting.>You don't have to play the game at all to understand QP, having high GSP doesn't mean you understand QPSo basically you're one of those people who would say a game is bad despite never playing it.
>>240713267The individual posters can learn from the discussion if they aren’t stupid but that rarely happens.
>>240713396lmao no, melee is completely broken. Compared to ultimate it's like comparing CS 1.6 to overwatch
>when u monado switch instead of visionfuck my shit up i was gonna lose anyways lol
do you think we'll get home run contests and break the targets back? maybe as DLC? maybe even free?
>>240713249I see what you mean, I miss stuff like trophies, home run contest, and especially the platforming bits in sub-space emissary. It's worth it for the massive roster, though.
>>240713390Who are you playing as? Unless you're playing a slow heavy there's ways around it.
>Play Ultimate for the first time with friends at college>Finally experience playing the infamous K. Rool and Chrom>Mop the floor with K. Rool because his moves are laggy as fuck and his hurtbox is huge>Edgeguard Chrom into oblivionI should've known not to believe all the complaints
>youtube ridley for soundtracks>first page is video after video of>RIDLEY TOO MUCH DAMAGE>RIDLEY OP >PLEASE NERF RIDLEYam I having a stroke?
>>240713625>board the platforms never ever
>>240713662I have good memories of SSE. Especially when playing with a friend
>>240713467>And thus we're back at your burden of proof issue you keep neglecting.Look, I started playing Smash about 2 weeks ago. I played QP in the first 3 days and never touched it again until today. I'm at 2.9 million GSP, that's one fucking game away from Elite. Someone who owned the game for a few days almost got into Elite. I have no doubts I'd easily get into Elite if I wanted even though I'm average at best. All I need to do is win one fucking game.>So basically you're one of those people who would say a game is bad despite never playing it.I don't need to eat my shit to know it tastes like shit. Also, your comparison is retarded. Your knowledge about the QP system has nothing to do with your ingame skill, how difficult is that to grasp? If I had no fucking hands does that mean I can't inform myself about QP and form my own opinion about it because I'm not a skilled player? Fucking hell
is there a place to view matchups and counters and shit? I'm looking to pick a secondary to cover weaknesses of my character or to fuck over characters I hate, but I dunno who
>>240713716Just a bunch of faggots crying because a Ridley fucked them up
>>240713674I was Ness and won 2 out of 3 games against him by getting creative with my approaches and outpredicting him, but it still wasn't any fun. He always has some more shit to throw at me
is Ultimate actually balanced or am I getting memed on?
I'm a non-elite shitter but here's an actual argument about the GSP shit.It is possible to choose your own rules in a way intended to benefit your main/playstyle. But it only chooses your rules 50% of the time, and chooses the other guy's rules the other 50%. Unless you just get lucky and get your rules every single time, you still have to be able to beat people on their rules consistently enough to get into elite, since a 50% win rate isn't enough. Even then, just getting your rules doesn't guarantee you the win either, since there's no reason the other guy can't win despite rules they aren't used to, so you would have to be at least skilled enough to beat them on your own rules even if they're a lot better than you.In other words, while a player's GSP doesn't necessarily indicate how well they would perform in a local tournament with tournament rules, it can give an idea of how skilled they are generally. The fact that the two people arguing are about 12k GSP apart doesn't really imply anything about which of the two is better, but the half-million GSP gap between the two of them and myself implies that I'm not as good as they are.
>>240713883From my experience, it's alright. Some shit will make you roll your eyes, like Inklings's ink mechanic and projectile spammers, but keep a cool head, play to your strengths, and learn to adapt, and you'll be alright.
>>240713820>I'm at 2.9 million GSP, that's one fucking game away from EliteOnce again, I'm talking about people who CONSISTENTLY PLAY quick play. Getting into elite isn't too hard, STAYING in elite while continuing to play is.>If I had no fucking hands does that mean I can't inform myself about QP and form my own opinion about it because I'm not a skilled player?No, but it does mean your opinion is irrelevant and shouldn't be shared with other people as though it's a fact.
why do people spaz around the stage after they get a kill? is it the new taunting or do they just copy the what the pros do?
>>240714171It's the new taunting, alongside teabagging.
other than putting off death for a few seconds at high percentages, what the fuck do i use monado shield for? gimps damage, speed, and recovery for a few seconds of poise and 40% less damage
off-stage edgeguarding is too hard
>>240714413It's easy with Inkling :^)
>>240714252I've come across maybe two teabaggers in 500+ matches. my favorite taunt I've seen is the people who shield + b + rotate the analog stick
>>240714413well yeah, its pretty damn rewarding at even lower percents
>>240714171they think they're pros
>>240714171I like to do it just to keep my thumbs going
>>240714413Not for a Yoshichad like myself
>>240714302Keep in mind at any percentage where you're gonna be using shield mode, you've also got a hefty rage boost you can take advantage of.
>>240714116>Getting into elite isn't too hardYeah that's exactly what I said>STAYING in elite while continuing to play is.Doesn't matter. Someone can get into Elite for one game and brag about it like a retard by your logic, doesn't matter if he loses it next game. He was better than all of non-elite for 1 game and then he suddenly wasn't again. This is your logic.>but it does mean your opinion is irrelevant and shouldn't be shared with other people as though it's a fact.WRONG. Your knowledge about GSP and QP has literally NOTHING to do with your in-game skill. I have said this like 4 fucking times by now. Having fast reactions and in-game knowledge doesn't automatically give you fucking knowledge about QP and GSP. Knowledge about GSP and QP has literally NOTHING to do with gameplay, it's a fucking ranked system, you moron holy shit
>>240713829accurate, i play ribbon puff
Make inkling's dash dance use inkyes or no
>>240713859Fair enough. I'm not a huge fan of dealing with projectiles but each one of his has a counter to it. Especially against QP people who tend to get cocky and toss axe when they have no business eating the end lag
i think im done. i dont know if im hitting the controller too hard or what but my up-tilt wasnt registering a lot in that match
>>240714171>>240714252>>240714573It's called strategy, more unpredictability is a good thing what's the point of standing still as non-moving target?T-bagging on the other hand has no point aside from being disrespectful.
Alright. Go ahead and laugh, but how the fuck do you deal with Little Mac? I know his recovery is trash and people normally just throw him off, but the little fucker just super armors through EVERYTHING I do
Any rooms? Or should I make one
>>240715009his recovery is enough if you cant edgeguard. if youre good at edge guarding, little mac is nothing. otherwise, get better at fighting sonic that hits like a truck
>>240714649>He was better than all of non-elite for 1 game and then he suddenly wasn't again. This is your logic.No, that's YOUR logic. How many times do I need to say that I'm specifically referring to people who play consistently? Somebody isn't immediately tough shit by being elite, they have prove that they actually play and didn't just get to elite and quit. There are a few ways to do this, but the easiest is being high enough in elite that you couldn't have possibly gotten there from just a few wins.>Your knowledge about GSP and QP has literally NOTHING to do with your in-game skill. I have said this like 4 fucking times by now.And as I've said several times, I'm not debating that. My point is that your opinion about it is irrelevant unless you can PROVE your in-game skill, and the easiest way to do that is showing your elite status. The only other way to prove your competence would be by fighting the person directly, which is stupid.
>>240715075make one anon
>>240715075I made one anyways. JBDK7 7243
>first hispanic named opponent since launch that didn't have complete shit internet
>>240715198Honestly, with the changes to neutral B and side B along with directional airdodges, Little Mac's recovery is unfairly good for how bullshit he is on stages like FD. As long as he gets hit high his recovery is pretty free.
>>240715251>My point is that your opinion about it is irrelevant unless you can PROVE your in-game skillWhat someone says has nothing to do with his ingame skill. Skill doesn't change an argument, it doesn't change what's being said. You're acting like a fucking child.>The only other way to prove your competence would be by fighting the person directly, which is stupid.It's the most accurate measurement of skill
>>240714723No. What they should do however is scale back up B distance with lower ink. God forbid they have to resource manage a recovery that comes back from a bottom corner blast zone
>>240715757>What someone says has nothing to do with his ingame skill. Skill doesn't change an argument, it doesn't change what's being said.Are you really arguing that people who have no idea what they're talking about should be telling new players things about the game?>It's the most accurate measurement of skillIt's also a measurement of skill that takes way too much time compared to just showing your damn GSP.
>>240715757>What someone says has nothing to do with his ingame skill. Skill doesn't change an argument, it doesn't change what's being said. I'm sorry what?Have you ever been good at anything?
nice job everyone, sorry about the lag, I swear I have good internet and an Ethernet adapter
>>240715918Learn to punish.
>>240715929>Are you really arguing that people who have no idea what they're talking about should be telling new players things about the game?Knowledge =/= skill>It's also a measurement of skill that takes way too much time compared to just showing your damn GSP.GSP is inaccurate. Unless you can prove you have no problems staying in high GSP, your GSP doesn't mean much.
>>240716221Oh sure just punish someone with hitboxes the size of a tree and low endlag.Everyone at smash conference is fucking trash lmao *dabs*
>>240715757>Skill doesn't change an argument, it doesn't change what's being said.respond to the argument i made then, i didnt write this shit to be completely ignored>>240713898
>>240715310In the future please post your region or make sure you have a good connection, you're a good robin but the lag was unbearable.
>>240716310>Knowledge =/= skillKnowledge is a huge part of skill.>GSP is inaccurate.A somewhat inaccurate indicator of skill is better than one that takes 20 minutes.
>>240716193Fuck zelda and her anti-pressure glass cannon stall kit, she is infuriating to play againsthere's a fucking flow chart>are they far awaydins fire>are they on a platform or off stagecharge knight up>oh shit they wiffed a movedash attack>i forgot what i am doingrandom fmsash>i forgot what I am doing AGAINspam fair/bair relentlessly hoping the opponent will run into it
If I keep lagging I’ll just move to spectate
>>240716338>Low endlagI should've known you were baiting. Got me.
>>240713898>It is possible to choose your own rules in a way intended to benefit your main/playstyle.Yes this is retarded but it's very likely these one trick ponies wont make it into elite smash with the decent players around the 2.5+ range.I have played hundreds of games in this range and have ran into one maybe 3 non-standard rulesets, and never items. A custom ruleset never tips the game drastically in your favor.
>>240716610are you some 60k gsp and using f-smash in neutral and wondering why you die?yes. low endlag.
>>240716454>Knowledge is a huge part of skill.Debatable. Also, you can have much knowledge in certain parts of the game and no knowledge about another at all. Imagine a low GSP shitter with 0 reflexes who knows everything about 1 thing but nothing about everything else. Does his low GSP invalidade his opinion on the one thing he actually knows shit about? No because it's just a fucking number that has nothing to do with the argument>A somewhat inaccurate indicator of skill is better than one that takes 20 minutes.Judging someones post by whats being said is better than posting a fucking screenshot of your GSP every single time you say something (considering you actively play QP otherwise you're fucked)
>losing to little mac>literally tap him offstage with anything>now winning to little macI seriously don't understand how people can stomach playing him in ultimate
>>240716628I don't know which of the two you are but I never disagreed with you on that point.
>>240716357You're completely right there's nothing to argue about in your post, the reason it has no replies is because everyone agrees
>>240716461lol her best move is her neutral b, makes her invincible and stops any non true combo as well as all approaches, everything else she has is mediocre.
god this brap is like a free stock
>>240716781>don't know which of the two you areneither
>>240716383Yeah sorry. Forgot about that. Im west coast. Also does wario have a counter wtf lol
>Been playing since 64>"Fuck it, time to learn wavedashing.">3 minutes of practice later I literally just found out Y+A simultaneously makes you immediately to you aerial without cancelling each other button outNot sure if that's a new feature or I just been dumb as shit since Melee.
rooms up Central US60X950008
>>240716859it's a new feature and it's sub optimal in most situations.also why are you try to wavedash in ultimate?
>>240716717>Does his low GSP invalidade his opinion on the one thing he actually knows shit about? No, but it makes his opinion highly questionable and likely incorrect.>Judging someones post by whats being said is better than posting a fucking screenshot of your GSPThe number of people in here who don't know what they're talking about outnumber the people who do. Can't just trust any post that looks legitimate. I mean look at pic related, is this the type of person you want "educating" new players?
>>240716696Shut up bitch.
>>240716983>No, but it makes his opinion highly questionable and likely incorrect.But the chance of him being right still exists, so his opinion actually is worth something since it could be completely right.>Can't just trust any post that looks legitimate.Then analyze it and find out if he's wrong or not?>I mean look at pic related, is this the type of person you want "educating" new players?That's a harsh example. If this guy isn't baiting he's the very, very bottom of /ssbg/
>>240716696You're telling me you can't punish any of his laggy giant-ass swings?
>>240716976Eh something to learn since my skill seems to have hit a peak and more unpredictability isn't a bad thing.Although the now that I know those buttons work together now, I might try go back to maining small characters again.
>>240717289yeah let me just slide my hand through a spinning fan while I'm at it
i really don't know how to deal with palutena
>>240717429Forget learning to punish. Get some irl reflex training. You're making me worry.
Everywhere I go, they're sold out of GameCube controllers. You guys have any alternatives, and or a place to pick one up? I'm in Orlando, Florida.
>>240717338Wavedashing just doesnt work in ultimate. the insta arial is good for punishes and out of shield options but best to regular short hop in neutral if you're looking to improve
>>240715310two spots open west coast
>>240717641using the same original one i've had since 2002
>>240717851>but best to regular short hop in neutral if you're looking to improveYeah i've been practicing on that before I learned about this, has helped my character significantly.Right now i'm just trying to figure out how to beat opponents who use the shield, roll, and counter strat.
>>240718038gg helios just enough lag to mess with my inputs. No wonder, it's west coast.
Guys when I put my cartridge in I apply some pressure to the docked switch. It won't damage the switch right?
>>240718403Just get the dockpads
>>240718457Not getting resell value
>>240677993Fuck off moxy
>>240718403not unless you're forcing it down with the strength of dr. the hulk
>>240718457>he didn't get the steelbox and gc adapter
>>240718119>have 4 controllers>2 broken>but am adult boy with money job now>buy tri-wing screwdriver, open and clean, and manage to unfuck them
>every single time I fight K. Rool as K. Rool>without fail>we both go to opposite sides of the stage and start tea bagging>start shooting cannonballs and playing tennis with them until one of us winsAbsolute bros.
>>240718183No excused noob. Jk your Ganon is nasty
>he crams a after the match so I can't see his gsp sinkhehe
>>240718967Wew this post actually almost upset me
>>240718702wow anon, your father and I are so proud of youyou really are the tech wiz of this family haha
>>240718702Off-topic, but what's that gif from?
>get endlessly juggled by yoshihow do i beat em?
>>240719102it's okay little stinker, even if you cram your buttons to hide your shame the world knows you are bad.
>>240719213don't get asspained because you didn't keep your controllers and have to beg for them now>>240719279>he doesn't knowYeah galo sengen
Where is the survrery that Nintendo did about what characters should be in smash? Where can I find the results having a hard time finding it.
>>240719292the only way to beat him is by not playing the gamethats the only sure fire way to make sure he can't win against you
>beat with my own mainKill me now
>>240719552lets say not playing the game is not optionhow do i win in the field of combat?
>>240719349I don’t even do that. I think it’s that smug comment + that smug squid that went straight to my chest. Would definitely bully you.
>At 2.3m GSP>Game says yeah a 2.9m Ike is what you should fight>He spams me off the stage and never worries because of all his recovery toolsFucking party games!
>>240719410anon I have had the same controller since Melee,the only difference is that I didn't feel the need to come on here and talk about how I repair my controller instead of buying a new one.