Why have graphics gotten worse?
>>474098135>pc portsEvery time there is a pc port, graphics tends to downgrade.Just look at Witcher 3 ( pc port ) and Red Dead Redemption 2 ( console exclusive without gimping pc port )Same reason why console exclusives surpass everything on that WILL release on pc in at least 10 years. Just get ps4 for the best looking games ever created.
>>474098435>God of War>PC port
>>474098435>pc ports cause downgraded graphicsI've read your post a few times now and I don't think i've ever heard a more retarded thing in my life anon. what the fuck are you even saying
>>474098135Western devs have abandoned meritocracy in favor of nepotism and diversity quotas, so talented artists are no longer being hired
>>474098435Even if they're weaker consoles ultimately get the best art direction. Much as Crysis' technical prowess is touted it looks soulless.
>>474098435All consoles are weaker than their timely PC counterparts. If graphics ARE downgraded on PC ports for whatever reason, it's because of incompetent developers.
>>474098135>Why have graphics gotten worse?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8zVDaSpJlw
>>474098435God of War is a PS4 exclusive
>>474098135>Comparing a picture of a sea to a picture of a forest>Comparing an ingame screenshot to a promo picture
>>474098135>massive world hub in viking stylevs>generic forest
>>474098135 because you touch youreself at nite
>>474101141>>474101168>Instant copeSnoys detected.
>>474101381Was this a game meant to look at the grass for? Then why judge it as?
We should be concern about console graphics, but about overpriced PC and its ps2 looking games as a standard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Lh0yNdAqM
Lads. Just imagine graphics disparity once PS5 hit the market. PC can't even catch up to ps4 visuals.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2KOxbJ-CIs
>>474101542Watch as this isn't going to be included in the final release. Why do devs always do the slow panning shit in E3 trailers?
Here, for example, is a ps4 driving game that can't find worthy competition.
>>474099463HEY please respond becouse id like to hear your explanation about the fact that you just said theres more artistic vision in an image wtih a forest in a bit of mist to the interpretation of nordic mythological places and creatures with like roman god or some shit on a father son journey which yea you can just observe from that picture and come on you can like it or dislike it right but with them screenshots If youre gonna be bringing up diversity quotas and talented artist not being present i want you to think really hard about those guys who managed to get high res bark photos and made some trees and like a forest. and i guess theres a mountain behind it.
>>474101974There hasn't been a single vista removed from Sony games. They are always there.
>>474098135They haven’t looking at a still image for a graphics comparison is retarded.
>>474101141>he thinks it's a promo picture
>>474102665Right looks better.
>>474102742You can fly into the air and hide your weapon?
>>474101586>oh no he's right and i'm wrong. better change the topic!
>>474102842you can do that with two simple cheats in console command
>>474102665Not only does the right look better but the physics in Horizon cause foliage and plants to move and shift when the character moves through it whereas in Crysis the majority of foliage with the exception of trees are static unless modded to become dynamic.
>>474102665The foliage looks like shit in the image on the left.
>>474098135The Giant Serpent’s details look less impressive when you go near it. God of War is overrated visually
>>474103281No they don't, you didn't even see or play the damn games
realistic graphics are reddit
>>474098135jesus, I didn't know GoW looked that bad.
artstyle will always outlive realism. Games should've stopped evolving graphically at the ps2 generation
>>474103281False. The foliage does react to you moving in Crysis.And In Crysis you can damage foliage, including trees, and damaged trees actually fall over and they can even kill enemies, yet you're praising HZD's static foliage for being dynamic?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKw0yeKcAE
>>474104507so only tall grass lol
>>474104664>jesus, I didn't know GoW looked that bad.The graphics are shockingly bad. It often looks like an early PS3 title.
>>474104706Read the description>Crysis has truly remarkable graphics and with custom configs and maps is even more possible! Breathtaking!Mods don't count. It's ok to be upset that your lackluster shooter isn't this shining magnum opus of graphical technology, but you shouldn't resort to lying just to win internet points.
>>474105002It's not a mod, even vanilla Crysis has destucteabl foliage.
>>474103503Are you really comparing Crysis with fucking Breath of the Wild? A game with a somewhat cartoony artstyleYou realistic-graphics niggers are among the worst people out there and one of the reasons movie games are on the rise
>>474102665Why are the shadows on the left so black?
>>474105072>this level of mental gymnastics and denial
>>474105002>he thinks crysis doesn't have foliage physics without modsare you retarded, why argue about a game you know nothing about?
>>474098135I noticed this when I was playing MW2 on my xbox360.The graphics were really good at the time and it was better than a lot of current games.FPS has gotten better but graphics can only improve so much.
>>474098135>PC has not had a single AAA exclusive since 2007How embarrassing
>>474098435You are an idiot
>>474105269poor fella, couldn't afford a pro?
>>474105209>Prove it.Random footage from 11 years ago, when the game was just released:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzMTmqzRYsA
>>474098135Why is it always Crysis, when people make these cherrypicked images?
>>474098435Look up crysis you retarded youngfag. That game could literally melt your CPU. In-fact they downgraded the graphics in future titles to port it to consoles, which eventually killed the franchise.
>>474105516It's the last actual game PC has had.
>>474098135the only games pc mustards actually buy are indie pixelshit and tencent/blizzard multiplayer trash that could run on a toaster. why would anyone bother making a game like crysis anymore when there's no audience for it?
>>474101381Is this from that mexican xbox fanboy?
>>474105716Is this Spy Party?
>Caring about graphics
>comparing a modded 2007 PC game to a 2019 ps4 game subtle
>>474106954>caring about graphics, story and settingGameplay is the only thing that matters
>>474106954The problem is that "DEVS" always brag about it and spend a just chunk of production time on it (even when it's absolute shit). BUT because of it games get out as an unpolished buggy mess."DEVS" nowadays absolutely incompetent.Fuck vide games and fuck "DEVS".
>>474107034any proof that its modded? no?thats what i thought
>>474105483holy shit that looks like ass. when will the crysis meme end
>>474107364this is what unmodded Crysis looks like >>474105483it doesn't hold up at all
>>474106998>He wouldn't play Mount and Blade>or Dwarf Fortress
>>474098435Because of a thing called "console parity" dragging the game down. RDR2 looks like shit, you are delusional.
>>474098135i dont know
>>474108171>RDR2 looks like shi-
>>474108171>RDR2 looks like shitBrainlet hipster detected
>>474108539>blurry bloomy so you can't see anythingt
>>474108747You are delusional.
>>474102438>motion blur>shit framerateAmazing.
>>474102230Because all the competition is on PC where the simulation processing alone would make the consoles burn up.
>>474098435>Every time there is a pc port, graphics tend to downgradePC ports also have a high correlation with the games that aren't exclusive. What you're trying to get at is that the best looking games are primarily or exclusively designed for one platform, and only look so good on that platform, due to them not compromising time and resources for the bottlenecks of other systems.>RDR2Excellent example. It looked great on Xbox One X, fucking trash on everything else.
The most important thing with graphics is high res texturesWant proof? Compare Vanilla new vegas to one with the best texture mods
So how are their both Greek Gods and Norse gods in the universe? Fuck the graphics, that shit dont make sense
>>474109385consoles don't have the vram for high res textures
>>474109242>>474108171>>474106436>>474100137>>474105528>>474105426>>474101114>>474099783>>474099428>>474098970What's the point of giving replies like this to obvious bait?
>>474106436I agree he's a retard but FH4 is the most bullshotted-ass game I've ever encountered. Everyone getting those angles juuuuuuuuuuuuuust right to make the grass not look 2D.
>>474105269>>474104887How is it shocking you? Is it because when you looked at the game in motion at full quality it looked way better than those compressed to shit images you posted?
>>474108815>just BLUR my shit up senpai
>>474110926that looks like shit thoughalso>3840x2160
>>474111143wowso impressiveso much destruction
>>474112608pffft haha okay whatever dude.
>>474105436>Being poor>Making sound financial decisions
>>474112608ERIN IS CUTE. CUUUUUTEEEE
>>474100851How do I get good about learning game tech? Is learning on a need-to-know-basis the best way to go about it?
>>474113947Sure, that's how most people do it. You'll probably never be building shaders like that though.Do you have any questions?
>>474098135Graphics have gotten better. Physics and simulation complexity has gone down the drain though. We have nice looking, but very static worlds these days.https://youtu.be/FCeEvQ68jY8
>>474117128>>474100851Watching the video now but you guys can't take this guy seriously, he's a shill. 2 minute in it looks worse than the Xbone (((exclusives))) that ended up on PC. Or even Hellblade.
>>474110926Nice checkerboard rendering brah.In all honesty, i wish all these clever upscaling techniques were more common on PC. If a console with a shitty mobile CPU and a heavily underclocked rx 480 can deliver a 4k presentation this convincing, imagine what a half-decent computer could do...
>>474117513Yeah guys fuck off. Graphics aren't improving they're just adding most post processing.>that dithering on hair>that plastic sheen on the skin>those models that don't even look goodThe game has a heavy use of depth of field that's making the game look better than it is. You can do this shit for any game in screenshots, this effect is optimized for motion though.
>>474117556PS4Pro has custom hardware to leverage checkerboard rendering. The ID-buffer is seriously performance heavy without hardware acceleration.
>>474117771I wish nvidia implemented something similar rather than their gaytracing memecores in their new cards. Even their supposedly AI based DLSS is shit.
Is it really fair to compare PS4 exclusives to PC games when PS4 exclusives are literally all 30fps locked and can barely even hold that?If 30fps was the standard on PC, it wouldn't even be a contest. But PC players don't tolerate 30fps.
>>474117958Crysis is a great game on top of a technical showpiece though, the nanosuit modes and physics open a lot of emergent gameplay possibilities.
>Wait...>I see it's a little pixelated>Literally unplayable This entire thread in nutshell
>>474118039DLSS is truly shit. To be honest Nvidia has a lot of blackbox modules that break the image quality in some games.
>>474117556>>474117771>>474118039It doesn't make sense to do fake upscaling on PC when you can do actual high resolution rendering. Quantum Break or some other games do it but it just adds blur. Why would you want that?
>>474117513Which one is a shill?
how can cucksoles compete?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9pvAEi4qwI%5E
>>474118448>IT'S RENDERING >QUICK >TAKE A SCREENSHOT >look at this>RDR2 is shit
>>474110926>>474117556Also saying that looks convincingly 4k is retarded when it's just as blurry as if not more blurry than Skyrim images from 7 years ago.
>>474118450That particular Digial Foundry employee.
doesn't RDR2 have like 15 frames of input lag? who gives a fuck about how pretty it is, that is UNPLAYABLE
>>474105002Have u never played it then?
High effort artistic direction =/= Graphical fidelity
>>474105002Crysis' graphics mods have never been worth mentioning. The texture packs aren't even good and shader mods don't add anything they just tweak settings in the .ini(meaning it's not even a mod).
>>474118819>"Look at this shit">"It isn't because of my shitty console">"Oh no sir, i bought it yesterday">"those two images have different qualities but my point stands"
>>474119536I doubt there will ever be a game more impressive than Crysis at this point. The developers can't do anything impressive anymore.>RDR2 has worse dynamite explosions than RDR1>DMC5 has worse combat effects than DMC4>GTAV has worse technology than GTAIVIt's honestly over bros.
>>474119550what are you even sayingwhat point are you attempting to make
fags still mad
>>474119704>"Mentions only one wrong thing from the recent games" >"It's also all about the graphics">"Story?">"To the trash"
>>474120142This thread is about graphics you retard.
>>474119829Not even trying honestlyYou guys are worse than the entire circus that's why i'm making fun of you
>>474120332you sound like a schizo
>>474118736Agreed, he's better when talking about retro games, his DF retro series is great.
>>474118107Tbh I play on PC mostly and I'd rather have better graphics with 30 FPS than worst graphics with 60.However it has to be a constant 30 FPS, any drops and its unbearable.
>>474120516Even then there's some agenda behind it, one of those Retro videos is how I know he's literally a fucking faggot.Initially I thought he was just autistic for defending blur effects but after watching his kind of decent Team Ico videos then watching his SOTC Remake video where he didn't list a -single- fault, I knew he had no pride. He is clearly a fan of SOTC and Ico but he said the remake was perfect and didn't mention any faults when there are dozens. What kind of fan of a series does that?Hell he doesn't even mention faults in most remasters he looks at, including the Ico remaster.
>>474113017still looks like shit, I don't know what you are trying to prove
Graphics discussion threads on /v/ are some of the most retarded threads on /v/, and that's really saying something.
>>474121284only because of sonyfags, they used to be good.
For me, it's clean DX9 vidya with 4x MSAA + SGSSAA
>>474120305>Gets in the thread>Thinking anons would be arguing with each other about games graphics >I am terribly wrong>Literally everyone treats it as it's the only thing a game has to offer >Not only in this thread but in other threads too >Everyone is trying to make a game look bad>"Oh look at this">"It's a screenshot that i took">"It looks shit, my fav. game looks like a masterpiece" >"Wait this is a graphic thread?"This thread is filled with anons that have a type of superiority complexIf you wanna make a graphic thread then you need to post about the games actual graphics, and not just play around and shame a game that you have never passed even the tutorial
>>474098135Because the people who buy videogames have gotten lower standards.Normalfags become a larger portion of the video game market, and normalfags can't tell the difference in audio volume between 60dB and 50dB. Audio volume is something you can objectively measure, and normalfags are so dense they can't grasp it.So with visual quality, which is even harder to grasp, they have no chance.
>>474098135The thing is, God Of War actually runs at a consistent framerate.God's Own Computer couldn't run Crysis at max settings in 2007
>>474122008The real reason is because this generation's consoles were so weak. In 2013 we were saying how graphics were going to be held back for another 10 years and we were right. The hardware was basically only capable of playing last-gen games at 1080p like 2013 PCs.Some effects have advanced but to make games bigger and better there have to be trade-offs, so overall games haven't really changed much graphically this generation. PBR is also training artists to be worse than their predecessors.
>>474118410I could run games at native 4k, yes, if i had a a better GPU. As someone who uses a 4k monitor with a 1070, i often have to resort to lower resolutions like 1800p or 1620p to maintain good performance without lowering settings too far. Using contrast adaptive sharpening through reshade does wonders, but the resulting image is still a fair bit softer than native. Checkerboard rendering delivers very good results, arguably better than what i do on PC with sharpening and custom resolutions, so i think having a similarly effective upscaling technique on PC could really help "4k" gaming more accessible.As for Quantum Break, it was one of the first games to implement image reconstruction from a lower resolution, so it definitely shows flaws when compared to more recent titles, but it was pretty good at the time given the performance increase it brought; the game does look very soft, but it kind of works with the filmic look remedy was aiming for.
>>474098135lack of soul
Realistic graphics are the most important part of a video game.That's fact.
>>474098435>the math adds upyou're up to something
>>474105216go outside and you'll see
>>474123051I did forget about modded post processing. Using upscaling with some sharpening would really decrease the awful blur making it a decent middle ground between shitty blur and native resolution.
>>474098435RDR2 will look like a fucking turd compared to the PC port though.
gotta dumb shit down for consoles
>>474098135>heavily modded game>compares mostly unplayable forest with an open lake and mountain area in a game with no loading screens
>>474098135>muh grafix How about the fact that no new genre or meaningful innovation in terms of gameplay as occured in like 10 fucking years. We get the same games mechanically we have been playing forever but they look more like movies, who gives a shit.
>>474098135ok now show us GOW in 4k on pspro
Meanwhile THIS game came out in 2004 on the ORIGINAL XBOX>Good particle effects>passable hair physics>non-compressed texturescould you imagine peak rare in 2019?
>>474122581This, a lot of the marketing/promotion around ps3/360 was focused on physics simulation and ai. Games at the time actually pushed boundaries. Crysis, gta IV, far cry 2, and many others were a huge upgrade over what the previous generation could offer in terms of simulation complexity and interactivity. Current consoles just do the same while looking prettier and running better, the focus has shifted to graphics. Ps3/360's CPUs were state of the art at the time, pushing multithreaded designs when PC processors had two cores at best. Compare that to ps4/xb1 with decent GPUs comparable to mid range PC parts of the time, but hampered by shitty mobile CPUs running at low clockspeeds.
>>474098435They downgrade games like watch dogs to make current gen consoles look good you goddamn retard
Games have gotten bigger, which means more assets, bigger regions, sharper graphics being more consuming etc. But GPU and CPU producers are strangling advancement to sell out their warehouses before they move one step further and repeat, to keep their industry going with minimal effort.To put it in perspective. You could speedrun most older games within an hour, as the only longevity it had was challenge and being merciless at failures. Whereas today, they have to pad actual "content" (whenever good fresh stuff, more of the same or cheap backtracking is another matter) for at least several hours lest they get laughed out of the industry by fans and investors alike.
>>474121284at least they're on topic
imagine being a consolefag and missing out on all the mods that make every game better
>>474123253Agreed. Nine times out of ten realistic graphics means that there is hardly any game in it so one should avoid it like a plague.Maybe more.
>>474124618I can't even say they look prettier though. Like compare FF13 to FF15. Maybe you have a bias here but 13 honestly looks better overall. The artistic consistency is just gone in many newer titles such as that one. I don't know if this image here is cherry picked but it gets the point across well enough. Other titles that are less consistent than previous games either in their series or just from the developer include:TW3Almost every remaster this gen with is like 54653 gamesNier AutomataFromsoft games
>>474123854Sub native custom resolutions with some sharpening is the key to 4k gaming on a budget. The amazing contrast adaptive sharpening that was introduced with the radeon 5700 cards has been ported to reshade and can now be used on any amd or nvidia card. It gives great results with a negligible performance hit, so it's definitely worth a try if you want to take advantage of a 4k monitor if your hardware doesn't quite cut it for native 4k. it's also great for games with blurry aa, like ffxv.
>>474108916>replying seriously to prerendered footageretard
>>474125496WHERE IS MY WIFE'S BULL'S SON??
>>474122581>PBR is also training artists to be worse than their predecessorshuhPBR is the best thing that happened this gen
Because you're mentally retarded.
>>474125650Can you link me the shader? I read about this but I guess someone has ported it since.
>>474125521WoW is that actually how the game looks? Suddenly I get why Bethesda barely marketed the damn thing, it looks like a shitty gmod map.
>>474125770No it isn't, I don't even know where to start explaining how bad it's been for gaming. Why do you think it's great?
>>474109817nu/v/ is real, I started noticing anons don't pick up on sarcasm, irony, obvious trolling and shitposting anymore, the hallmark of the tourist influx
>>474126012It looks really good?
>>474118448>>474118819man this shit looks EXACTLY like every other dime a dozen third person walking simulator, complete with the blur, bloom and dofhow boring
>>474098135graphics are as subjective as art, now fidelity of graphics is not, and if you want a real answer it was so the modern generation "pro" versions of consoles could do 2k-4k, personally i use a 1080p 17 inch screen so i dont notice it as the ppi would be higher than a 1080p 55 inch tv, so yeah the console industry is one to blame, also why is everything in destiny 2 either pre-rendered or too far away for detail
>>474126012Probably because just like with ray tracing he does not realize that by letting the computer do all the "heavy" lifting every game will inevitably end up looking the same regardless of the artistic intent. Also giving artists so many shortcuts promotes laziness and the "will fix it in post" mentality. This is how we got games that barely look better(or actually worse most of the time) than Crysis but somehow require a 10x more powerfull PC to even boot up. Just a guess though.
>>474124502Having competent and passionate developers allows one to punch far above hardware weight class.https://youtu.be/3jmj65XC2eU?t=67
>>474098135Because consoles have become the primary market for all developers and consoles are always a generation behind. Games don't make use of PC hardware anymore because then it can't run on consoles. Developers won't spend the money to upgrade their visuals for a market they see as insignificant.
>>474126029its fucking insane really. even just 3 years ago it wasnt this bad. now shit that normally would've been absolutely identified as a joke is taken seriously. this place is so reddit I'm half expecting these autists to start unironically using /s since no one seems to get irony
They haven't. It's just you retards insist on using screenshots instead of video for comparison then pretending this is not fucking retarded and having a "conversation" about it.
>>474098435Exactly. Developer are forced to make the games working on notebooks and 10 year old pcs. Thats why all pc exclusives are graphical garbage like early access, indies etc. Tell me a single pc exclusive in recent years that surpasses or even gets close to console exclusive games which werent held back by pc ports
>>474125895It has been ported, by some guy on reddit, but was greatly improved by pascal gilcher, aka martymcfly, who also made the amazing screenspace path tracing shader for reshade. here's the shader :https://gist.github.com/martymcmodding/30304c4bffa6e2bd2eb59ff8bb09d135To use it, just click download zip and put the CAS.fx file in the in the shaders folder of a game with reshade installed. I recommend setting it to 0.85, as it gives the best results without the image looking overly sharpened.
>>474126641And lets rub some salt while we're at it, shall we?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkoi6WCCJHY
>>474126557Crysis still runs worse than most modern games you retard
>>474099428High end PC's have more raw power but they can optimize the shit out of console exclusives due to predictable hardware
>>474098135They became good enough and C-suites noticed that normies don't give a shit. Nvidia still has to sell new gpus every year or so though
>>474119998>>474121829nobody ever posts anything from capeshitman that isn't just the character model facing the camera
>>474127129When crysis was in development, future CPUs were expected to reach clockspeeds in the realm of 10 GHz, not get more cores/threads. This is why the game doesn't scale well across multiple threads and can drop to around 30 fps even on an 8700k overclocked to 5GHz.
>>474127129Yeah sure if you run it on a Voodoo card maybe. I was running it at mostly stable 60fps on 1080p with a gts450 and a corei3 with a mixture of medium and high settings. Its lower performance on modern hardware is simply caused by its inability to properly use more than 2 cores. The consensus at the time was that future CPUs will have more GHz not more cores and Crysis was build around this (at the time reasonable) misconception. Also it doesn't use more modern APIs like directx11 and 12 because... well its 12 fucking years old.
>>474123929There won't be a port
>PC>1080p>144 fps>motion blur off>depth of field off>bloom off>1 second loading times>cucksole>1080p>20-30 fps>chromatic aberration>blur>dof>fog>1 minute loading timesthis is how I game
>>474127651keep the mad coming
>>474102665right looks so much better you fucking mong
>>474128629This looks like skate 3 what the fuck are you showing off
>>474128629>even with photo mode the game looks like shitJeez, that's just sad
>>474128695yep looks amazing
>game has photo mode that pauses the game and upscales the resolution of its models >this is somehow used to debate graphic power even tho at this point is not even an in-game screenshotyou retards are doing PR for free for a company that charges you monthly for a service that costs them nothing to maintain
>>474102665Horizon looks significantly better, Crysis is much more interactive.
>>474128478I don't get the hate around motion blur, when it's a nice per object motion blur, it accentuates movement nicely without blurring the whole screen.It looks great on things like the ammo casings that get ejected when firing the chaingun in nu-doom and makes animations more impactful.
>>474126746Exactly, at first I thought it was some new trend of triple post-irony I don't understand but nope, the discussion and posters are now genuinely just YouTube comments tier.
>>474126746>even just 3 years ago it wasnt this badYes it was. I was complaining about the same thing three years ago. "nu-/v/" is now an old concept. We're beyond it.
woah........ so this is the power of PS4™ by Sony©
>>474102665Yeah, in horizon, foliage barely budges when you move through it, in crysis, you can break trees down to individual branches, and most foliage bends accordingly when touching it.
>>474126970i know this is bait but..>Developer are forced to...ain't that some bullshit>Thats why all pc exclusives are graphical garbage...pc isn't owned by anyone, there's no sony/ms/nintendo to finance the development of big budget titlesofcourse all of them are going to be indie games from small studios>Tell me a single pc exclusive in recent yearsthehunter: call of the wild, pc exclusive for 8 months before a console release>held back by pc portsdamn, you're right, that explains why multiplats almost always look better on pc, without even using ultra settings
>>474126186It doesn't improve graphics, do you even know what it is?>>474126557Right. It's literally training devs to be generic.
>>474126991Thanks. Why have people been creaming themselves over the raytracing? I haven't tried it since there haven't been any good games in a while but screenshots don't look that good.
More graphics= less soul
>>474127651>>474128629because it looks bad
>>474130403>Why have people been creaming themselves over the raytracing?they aren't, it's nvidia shills
>>474129283Crysis looks better. Horizon is just a console game, it looks sterile in motion because the shadowing and shading is scaled down. Not much SSAO etc.
>>474105139Leave it to a botwnigger to take obvious bait
>>474130224>PBR doesn't improve graphicsare you retarded?
>>474129457There's no such thing as nice motion blur.
>>474130767>Crysis looks betterI recently played both. In my opinion, no. Horizon looks much better overall, especially when it comes to foliage.Programming team is really competent.Sadly the foliage is for the most part is just a pretty picture, though.
>>474129804This is fairly impressive for what is essentially a defective radeon hd 7870 with 2 jaguar mobile CPUs glued together. Distant detail is reduced since you're less likely to notice it when moving, shadows are filtered well enough that they don't appear pixelated despite their low resolution, a lot of the geometry budget is spent on the player model at the center of the screen. If anything, it's an example of how far limited hardware can go with smart technical choices.
>>474098135more like artstyle got lazier and soulless
>>474102783>>474103281>>474103298Whats wrong with sony queers and always being horribly wrong?
>>474130854You can probably do something serviceable if you can hit stable n x refresh rate FPS.
>>474129457>but it's good in DoomIt's still way too much
>>474130854>>474131446I also remember Carmack mentioning implementing predictive motion blur in VR to smoothen the experience.
>>474130854It really depends on the refresh rate. I find 30 fps unbearable without it, it just looks like a succession of separate frames more than a continuous movement. Motion blur creates the illusion of continuity between frames, and thus makes low framerates appear more fluid than they really are, which is why i like it when it's well done, aka when it doesn't blur the whole screen when moving the camera and is subtle enough as to not blur what i'm focused on. Even at 60Hz, it makes things look more fluid, but it's pointless to use it when running at higher refresh rates.
>>474130851A retard might think so. Learn what PBR is, champ.
>>474130569 I'm talking about Reshade not Nvidia.
>>474131254the problem is that sony shills are trying to make people believe >>474102438 is how the game looks
>>474133063how is that not how the game looks
>>474128813>>474128909>>474130554you can feel the assblast
>>474134061because its a game exclusive to a console with 2010 level fisher price hardware it literally cannot look good
>>474098135>CrysisDevs can compensate for corridor maps, real big surprise there.
>>474098135it's your fault op
>>474134061Different aspect ratio, less vivid colors, more dynamic camera angles and i don't even think that outfit is in the final game.
muh vegetation, should go look at how bad some of those rock textures in Crysis are or the faces of enemy soldiers. Its also fucking annoying that they were so braindead when developing that game that it still is an unoptimized piece of shit because they thought we would be at dual cores 10ghz or some shit
>>474135087stop being retarded. when your goal is realism and you have zero art direction otherwise your game will only look as "good" as the hardware allows.horizon has no art style to it.
>>474134434>He thinks that the ability to draw a line from spawn to objective indicates corridor designYou're a complete brainlet, bud.
>>474135210>game will only look as "good" as the hardware allowsThat's my point. I believe that it's an actual limit or it's close to it, just like smooth scrolling was for the 286.
>>474135210>it's another bing wahoo retard who thinks cartoony is the only art style
FACT: No game looks better than The Hunter COTW
>>474135883>snoy tranny thinks realism is an art style
>>474134649Don't forget the game is from 2007, graphics card at the time topped out at 768 mb of vram, so textures had to be much lower resolution than they can be nowadays.It really is a shame crysis wasn't developed with many-core processors in mind, as cryengine evolved to scale extremely well across multiple threads. We can still hope for an new crysis or a remake of the original on the latest cryengine, with its great multithreading and global illumination, or even raytracing, as crytek did have a raytracing demo running on a vega 56. A man can dream...
Why do you guys even have these threads?You could write a 10 page essay with various examples and citayions on why something looks good or bad and any ol' faggot in this thread can just go>nope still shit because I say soI just dont even know why anyone would even bother on trying to argue with someone who thinks games look worse today. They're wrong. Objectively.It's not even a debate. Additionally the ONLY thing that matters in a game is gameplay.And if you think a games style, graphics or story are inherit to its gameplay. You are an irredeemable faggot and are the reason why the industry is the way it is
>>474135906>going hunting with a mauser and 34 rounds of ammunition
>>474135974Realism is the absence of art style. There's a reason hyperrealistic paintings didn't take off.
>>474136370>and any ol' faggot in this thread can just go>nope still shit because I say soAnd we can ignore him.
>>474136189Its weird that people keep posting Crysis 1 instead of 3, which looks insanely good. The vegetation in 3 actually looks good 5 years later
>>474105598Crusader Kings 2 is better than any exclusive the PS4 or Switch has.Change my mind
You're just delusional and retarded, anon. It's okay.
>>474137336Victoria 2 is better
>>474137231What really irks me, though, is a almost complete absence of webms or youtube videos in a thread about realtime computer graphics.For fucks sake, people, you all can record and nvidibots can even do it trivially.Stop being retarded and step up your game a little.
>>474137245It's more that Crysis is only a year and a half older than Oblivion, which was considered graphically impressive at the time.
>>474136370You're right, gameplay, mechanics, interactivity, whatever you want to call it is what makes video games unique as a medium, but it doesn't mean visuals and sound aren't as important. A game can't be carried by gameplay alone, just like a film can't rely solely on its sountrack. All elements have a role.
>>474137245No one played Crysis 3 since the art style was bad and it was just another console shooter.
>>474137336Vicky 2 is better but still based
>>474136370games look like crap today you faggot
>>474137636I find the first half to be pretty good. Consistency and quality take a nosedive after the halfway mark.
>>474137980For me, its the F/A-18 Super Hornet
>>474137921Most people got to the field of grass and turned it off. It's just not the same, tech doesn't get you that far if the art style drags it down.
>>474119704I'll tell you the Answer anonITS ALL FUCKING SONY'S SHITTY HARDWARE'S FAULT!Parallax is dead ever since fucking PS3 because Sony's shit Hardware architecture can't calculate NOTHING.Devs HATED working on the PS3 Hardware, PS4 hardware is worse.But Fucking Sony has a Iron grip in the Industry ever since the 2000's thanks to the PS2 Popularity, by 2005, PS2 graphics were outdated by PC's and Xbox by a large margin.Even FUCKING gamecube had better graphical hardware than PS2, even if it was limited to that mini-dvd garbage.
>>474098135consoles were a mistake
>>474137852Right mostly looks better though, geometry is more rounded, lighting and materials are more advanced and the wall texture is higher resolution. I think the character looks better on the left, but that's because i prefer a cutie with freckles and cleavage to a dogfaced middle aged farmer.
>microsoft: graphics matter>sony: graphics matter only for exclusives>nintendo: graphics don't matter
>>474136781>Realism is the absence of art stylejust retardedBeing realistic shouldn't detract from art it should only add depth to the universe.Just because people use it wrong doesnt mean its shit.
>>474098435this, back in the mid 2000's if it had a pc port it was a warning sign the game was going to look like ass
>>474138308I was looking for a new phone pape, this one looks pretty good, thanks anon!
>>474135404Except that once you reach the border, you realize it's not an open-world map. Each level its it own individual scene, so yeah, it's really not that big or spectacular as /v/ memes it is. It's literally Far Cry with a robot suit mod.
>>474137336I can't because you're right.
>>474136370>I just dont even know why anyone would even bother on trying to argue with someone who thinks games look worse today. They're wrong. Objectively.hello redit
>>474138745>appreciate and comment on a nice pair of tits and attractive female features>get called a faggotWhy?
>>474113947>>474113947>Is learning on a need-to-know-basis the best way to go about itDo you want to spend 2 years learning liner algebra and calculus?
>>474138530>geometry is more roundedwhat the fuck>lighting and materials are more advanced>magical phong on the character = more advancedpiss off retard
You could literally post a picture of real life in these threads and have a dozen people saying it looks like shit.
>>474137634A game can be carried by gameplay alone though
>>474138692>let me rewrite history so i can gargle on Sony's cum
>>474139284Things are more rounded, edges are less apparent, especially on the hat. You can clearly see straight edes on the visor on the left, while it appears more rounded on the right.
>>474139381Care to provide an example? I can't come up with a game where visuals and sound don't contribute to the experience.
>>474139960Dreamcast and Game cube were miles better than Sony's garbageand people remembers PS2 only because of the piracy and Shitty soccer game hacks
>>474103281Standard Crysis, foliage reacts ot the player.Foliage also reacts to explosions. You can also break alot of foliage.
>>474104502love me an empty wasteland
>>474129804why does my game looks better than yours?
>>474118221I barely remember anything about crysis Also the game had good looking enviorementsCharacter models looked like shit
>>474139284The picture on the right is technically better, the model is more geometrically complex, lighting is better, adds some contrast and depth, but it's all for nothing since the character looks like shit when compared to the left.
>>474140369>Foliage also reacts to explosionsIt's deeper than that. Crysis uses volumetric lighting, particles, and it simulates force which affects the physics system which can affect particles and physical objects such as trees, rocks, water, etc. It's not perfect but it's the best gaming has done so far.Whenever I play it I just mess around with implosion grenades and rockets(with rapid fire and it's a jot to see things like this here where the implosion is mesising with the snow particles. That's just cool.
>>474129474So? Fuck off if you don't like it
>>474140534I don't blame you, the environment clearly was the focus.
>>474118348>He never played the 64 player multiplayer with vehicles
imagine actually buying childrens toys like consoles that have mobile tier CPUs to play games at 30fps with dips.And then on top of that shit sandwich have to use a controller, objectively the worst method of input on the market, then brag about the exclusivity of being able to do all of the above.
what's the best graphics I can play on pc right now, and is the game any goodthe last games I played that I thought looked fantastic was arkham knight and alien isolationDon't tell me witcher 3, the color in that game is weird, the area you spend the start of the game in is flat as fuck and you can't freeroam without being told to stop wandering and geralt's animations are goofy, honestly I don't get the praise. I'm like two hours in and don't feel like continuingdon't defend witcher 3, gimme pc games with great graphics
>>474140065Portal. The environment is pretty bland and there isn't much soundtrack to speak of. It's still one of the best games ever made.
>>474140902>there will never ever be another crysis again
>>474098135bottom is per-rendered trash
>>474105721but undertale is also on PS4 fag
>>474141150Yes, but the writing and humour is also a big draw. Don't get me wrong, the game is amazing, but it probably wouldn't get so much praise hadn't it been so damn well written. Without it, it would only be regarded as one of the best puzzle games, not one of the shining beacons of the entire medium.
>>474134628The outfit is in the game. It's just some guy editing his in game footage on the pro.
>>474141473Crysis is trash
>>474098135Except they haven't and RE2 and DMC V are examples of that
>>474102665They both look good in my opinion, the right looks better after a second glance. But the left looks good too for it's time.
>>474108171fuck I just joined mustard race and my PC crushes any games thrown at it. Already beat Witcher 3 on PS4. Is the PC version worth a replay? What does Witcher 3 go for during winter sales?
>>474141735re2 and dmcv look as good as they perform, and they run amazingly well.
>>474141735This. OP is a dumbass
>>474138756>it's not an open-world mapWho the fuck is asserting that it is? Crysis has open levels, read: not linear corridors and not an open world.
>>474109640they stay in there own worlds
>>474132576I can stand motion blur and 30fps while playing on a tv with a controller, but can't touch either when I'm using KB+Mouse on my monitor. Being closer to the screen of course plays a role, but input feedback is a much bigger issue for me
It's always consoles.Also art-style>graffix
>>474141735DMCV looks like shit, RE2 looks good but in tiny environments so not impressive
>>474142332that's not art style retard that's just realism, see >>474135974
>>474098435what a mind numbingly retarded post. don't spout bullshit on stuff you don't know a single thing about, you dumb little underage shit.
>>474098435Bait or just very very dumb
>>474141074Metro exodus is up there in visuals, and it plays great. It's less linear than the previous games in the series and has a comfy stalker vibe.Crysis 3 is still pretty impressive, and the first half is definitely worth playing.Wolfenstein 2 the new colossus throws around preposterous amounts of geometry and is extremely detailed, it's pretty good if you skip the cutscenes.Kingdom come deliverance is one of the most immersive RPGs around, if a bit janky at times. It runs on cryengine and features great global illumination and other advanced lighting. It is demanding though.Forza horizon 4 looks and performs great, it's a very fun and impressive racing game.
>>474126746>even just 3 years ago it wasnt this badYeah it was worse.
>>474105721HAHA got em!
>>474098135Realism over style mostly.
>>474140491plenty of that in your head
Very fun thread to read, sad console peasants trying to compare their trash to pc. It is laughable.PS. Next gen consoles are already outdated.
>>474141560What about Quake then?
>>474142946When did I say the image I posted was art-style?
The plateau of graphics isn't connected to technology, it's connected to money. How much money are you willing to shell out for animators, modelers, and other related graphic artists? You can make a game that looks entirely like a movie with a character you would very much think is just a real man in a suit. But that would cost hundreds of millions.
>>474130854In game mods where you can adjust it (like sikkmod) it looks really good. when you can't and it just blurs up the whole screen it looks bad. so few games have done it well that it got a bad rap. I think the only game I played where the default implementation was ok was portal 2.
>>474143185Idk why I thought the forza horizon games were xbox exclusiveI've been meaning to play the other metro games but never got around to it, does it matter? Is exodus epic store exclusive?I might check out wolfenstien, honestly I've never played a game in either the doom or wolfenstein series, I was a console kiddie until like 2014
>>474101381Ok hold up nigga. I played both these games and Ryse is hallway after hallway, you can't move from one area to the next without having those ferns shoved in your face. The God of War pic is obviously in an out of the way location used to spruce up an otherwise empty edge of the map which is bigger and more open than Ryse so no shit it'll look less impressive.
>>474144194>money = graphicsbrainlet
>>474144549it literally is...? that's most of what the RDR2 budget was. Why do you think indie games with limited funds always do 2D pixel shit
>>474107640Both of which would be drastically better if they looked better.
>>474101974It's not THAT impressive from a technical standpoint. Just a couple hundred grass objects with their animations synchronized to give the illusion wind is actually blowing through them. Past that, everything is a low fidelity backdrop you can't actually go to but it looks nice from a distance.
>>474143802Quake was technically cutting edge in its day, and the soundtrack by trent reznor was awesome. These days, it's pretty dated visually, but still has some charm, and doom 2016 has better music in my opinion. I keep coming back to it because it's challenging and fun to play, so i guess it holds up mostly thanks to its gameplay. I can't help but agree with you on this one, quake is still a damn solid shooter despite it having lost it luster, its gameplay undoubtedly has outlived its presentation.
>>474144454It's comparing a bush. GoW3 just looks bad dude there's no reason to make excuses.
>>474144640>that's most of what the RDR2 budget wasMost of that was marketing.
>>474144640RDR2 doesn't look that good though, why? Why are great tech demos made by basement dwellers who release them for free? Why are graphics mods so much better than what games ship with?Grow a brain.
>>474105716Literally no different from PC on max. In fact, I think it looks better. More like a painting.
>>474144640>RDR2 cost hundreds of millions>Crysis 1 cost 22 million and looks betterhmmmm
>>474144293Forza games have been released on PC since forza 6, and they're some of the best PC ports i've seen in years, options are plentiful and they run great.Exodus is epic exclusive, but it's been cracked, so no worries. Metro 2033 and last light are on steam, and i'd recommend the redux version, as it has all the dlc and more balanced gameplay, as well as better visuals than the originals. You can play exodus without having played the first games, but they're definitely worth playing, and will give you a better appreciation for the new things exodus does.The wolfenstein games starting with the new order are good shooters, but difficulty can be inconsistent. The story isn't all that well executed, but gameplay makes up for it, weapons feel great.
>>474146060>and i'd recommend the redux versionignroe this soulless NPC poster the redux version is god awful
>>474146181The original is the true metro experience. Redux looks nicer but made stealth a bit too lenient and removed a lot of the challenge. Only buy redux if you can't be bothered to do stealth properly.
>the vacuity of this thread
>>474146818It looks worse.
>>474147517How so? I remember light shafts looking different, arguably worse in redux , but not much else.
>people are actually defending consolesBut why?
>>474147827Models, environments, you name it. Actually compare them for yourself, I don't have screenshots handy.
>>474141074crysis 3, doom 2016, wolfenstein 2 & young blood, gears 5, forza horizon 4, warframe, minecraft (with SEUS PTGI E9 and 2K textures)literally all of these have had competent devs when it comes to looks vs performance