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Bros I hope I get into the same layer as asmongold
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someone explain to me what layering I'm too retarded
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>>462302962
sharding but based because it's in a not shit game
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>>462303475

okay what the fuck is sharding?
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>>462302882
More like sharting amirite
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>hp regen without eating
>mp regen without drinking

JUST LIKE VANILLA OMG TY ACTIVISION
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>>462303647
More like layershitting
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>>462302962
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>>462302882
wow is deead.
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>>462304309
SO MUCH SOI I LOVE IT I LOVE IT
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>>462302882

>making vanilla for twitch faggots who will drop the game days after release

blizzard is dumb.
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>>462302962
Basically when you log in, you're put into a "layer" of the world. As it grows to "capacity" another layer is created that will then fill up with players until it hits capacity and another layer is placed on top of that. People won't be phasing in and out as the server tries to balance populations in zones, you're in the layer you're in. They will only be doing this at the launch of Classic to avoid having 50,000 people trying to kill the same boars in Northshire. Once people start to level up and spread out throughout the world, layering will be removed and everyone will share the same space.
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>>462303536
It's when you have flatulence while passing a deuce
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>>462304778
they even add layering because TWITCH TOURISM
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>>462302882
I thought sharding was when you go poopoo in your pants lolololollo
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>>462304309
Ikr?! I want to sip onions in game to better represent me!!!! Smh!!!!
We should start a change org petition, this is an outrage
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never heard of her
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>>462304882
can someone redpill this on me why its bad? I am an adult so I don't play mmos
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>>462304960

layering kills pvp and communities.

see: CRZ
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>>462304882
I knew they would fuck it up somehow.
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>>462303536
wehn u shidded and fard at same dime
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Are healers receiving the same ridiculous MP5?
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Layering is a better solution than sharding or queues and all the doomsayers will continue to get blown out as Classic draws closer to release. It's not too late to stop being a retailcuck or FF14 tranny though. There's still time to realize that your shitposting won't change anything and to enjoy the game with everyone else.
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HE FUCKING DID IT! /OURZOOMER/ DELIVERED ON HIS PROMISE OF BRINGING US HOME!
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>>462304882
I thought 50k people fighting over the same boar was part of the experience.
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>>462305242
no
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>tell you home faggots they're gonna fuck it up
>get called a retail shill
>they fuck it up
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>>462304882
Is this contained to your server, or is each layer a different server? I haven't played WoW in awhile, but I absolutely fucking hated the multi-server faggotry when it came to farming old world mats or rare spawns. Instead of just having a handful of autists on your server wanting to kill shit that stopped being relevant a decade ago, you had autists from a fuckton of servers.
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Now that regen is from BFA this means Shaman, Pala and Druid DPS are viable in raiding.
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>>462305258
why are his eyes so fucking creepy
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Remember when we tricked those retailcucks into thinking we cared about community? So based, bros.
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>>462305487
ELE SHAMANS RISE UP. #NOTIDE
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>>462304882
So basically each server is partitioned. Why not just make more servers and then merge them IF they become underpopulated?
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>>462305308
When the game first launched in November 2004, they didn't have millions of people lining up to get in the door. They had a slow and steady trickle. Why do you think the launch of every expansion through MoP was an insane madhouse? Because of the huge bottleneck at the start of every expansion's zone with millions of people trying to get through the front door. With layers, which again, they say should only be in place at the start of the xpac so you don't have 50k people after the same boar, it should prevent thousands of people in the same place crashing the servers.
>>462305480
No linked servers. If you're on the server Whisperwind, you will only ever see people from Whisperwind. If you're on Doomhammer, you will only ever see people from Doomhammer.
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>>462305534
He's a bit of a bugman. Not full bugman like some others, but he's got those bug eyes.
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> infinite mana / don't give a shit about drinking to regen
> mobs deal no damage
> BFA animations
WOW SO MUCH HOME BROS TOTALLY THE VANILLA EXPERIENCE
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>>462304309
You're aware that there's a 5 seconds rule for mana, right?
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>>462305308
It is, fuck blizzard
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>>462305258

this guy cant even clean his room

why do people idolize a hermit
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>>462305707
Because each server can hold a certain number of people... but spread out across the entire game world. When the game launches the entire server population will be in one of six locations depending on what races they roll. It's 10k people each in six zones with the other 20+ empty... while later it will be 200-500 people each in 20+ zones.
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>>462305710
I googled it WoW had 200k players launch day.
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>>462302882
>barely killed a 3 levels higher rare with 2 people and using all cds and potions
looks ok
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>>462303536
Ten people in the same zone. Six of those people are miners, with only four ore nodes. The server hides the remaining players to you, and makes them appear in their own sharded version of the same exact area.

The obvious problem is that you'll notice your computer eating resources, when the area seems dead. Because the server is actively telling your computer to hide the appearance of the people...when their stats and data are still very much there.
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>>462305718
>He's a bit of a bugman.
hes 150% bugman
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>>462305875
I will never understand how people can look up to and suck streamer dick so fuckin much. Like what goes through these peoples minds. Ide unironically would love to meet one of these people who donates 10k a month to streamers and ask them why.
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Daily reminder all mobs in vanilla had thematic armor and magic resist, so if a stone elemental would have more armor because hes a stone

Private servers dont have this, all raid bosses have about the same stats.
And people think private servers are blizzlike
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>>462302882
Why didn't they just fucking raise respawn rate, how fucking retarded could blizzard be, this is worse than sharing.
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more like sharting am I right?
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How is he doing double the damage of a mob 4 lvls higher than him with a 1 handed starting zone sword
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>>462306039
yeah i remember those dryads in Ashenvale being a bitch to kill on my mage.
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>>462306039
in blizz classic 5lvl can solo rare 9lvl
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>people saying faster regen
>BFA regen of all things
I'm out of the loop, this isn't true is it?
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>>462306221
you mean 4 people?
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>>462306179
because he is THE GOD GAMER and THE face of Classic
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>>462306179
Why does he always look like he has double digit IQ?
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>>462302882
> bros, i have really dire news, a warrior and a paladin are shitting on OUR early game vanilla content, how can this be
> in my vanilla i had to spend 10 minutes eating after every mob
have sex incels, game is great
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>>462306179
battleshout + might + human sword racial
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>>462306089
>this is worse than sharing.
How?
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>>462303475
>It's in a not shit game
Hold up
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>>462305915
And here are when servers were rolled online
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_creation_of_US_realms
So all 200k players were spread out across all those servers. I'm betting Classic will have somewhere between 1-2 million people at launch.
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>>462306179
He's using a hammer looted from kobold mine. He has Battle Shout and Blessing of Might due to Esfand being with him.
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>>462305258
our guy
world first deadmine clear inc
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>>462306179
That is called a Heroic Strike, a Warrior ability which costs rage and adds a fixed amount of bonus damage to your next melee swing. The shittier your weapon is, the bigger the bonus appears to be.
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>>462304309
Was there seriously zero regen in vanilla or are you just a cunt? Wrathbabby here.
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>>462306089
The game has always had dynamic spawn rates. The more people killing mobs, the faster they respawn.
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>>462304882
nothing can be worse than CRZ, at least with layers the people are actually on your server and can be guilded/traded with
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>>462306253
People have been shitposting with straight up misinformation and lies since the first Classic thread. What do you think? Regen has ALWAYS seemed faster in 1-5 zones. Go do it on a private server right now if you don't believe me. Now that streamers are reaching the actual starting zones things are getting harder.
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>>462306454
Just a shitposter, try your best to ignore xir.
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>>462306463
yup you could only regen with water.
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>>462304882
So it's just instancing?
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>>462306437
>1 hand white weapon vs a melee armored mob 4 lvls higher than you
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this is the "people" shilling for wow classic
noticed anything?
*sips tea
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>>462306614
you also couldn't hit mobs that were 3 levels above you
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>>462306674
here you go anon
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>>462306508
Is that what people are using for reference? The starting area regen rates? Well, that's a relief. I remember well the regen rates.
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Funny how people forget that WoW already had a system to handle heavy loads. Resources and enemies spawned faster if they're killed faster. So if 50 people were camping Hogger, Hogger would be spawning about 3 seconds after he died.

Splitting the server is just them being too cheap to invest in better infrastructure. Instead of increasing the capacity of their infrastructure, they are just breaking it up into smaller pieces and selling it to you as "how you don't have to wait!"

MMOs at their best were never about the fast burn. 90% of your time in game was either waiting or traveling. WoW isn't that much different, except they're trying to make everything faster across the board because all of you are fucking ADHD children. It's amazing they haven't replaced flight paths with teleports.
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I'm watching Sodapoppin's stream and it looks like classic. Original animations, quite slow mana and health regen--which picks up out of combat. He runs out of mana if he wraths/moonfires mobs. He has to heal his warrior friend, despite being in a party, because they pulled several mobs. Look like home.
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>>462305109
Part of the experience is teaming up and coordinating with people if the zones are saturated. Also, multiple instances of the world = more resources = more shit being dumped into the economy. If someone is getting shat on in PvP they can just get invited to a different layer and avoid it (you stay on the same layer until you get invited to another group, which is frequent during leveling)

Also, it's Actiblizzard who have already lied about how long it's going to be implemented. First, they said it was only going to be during launch. Now, it's known as "layering" and it's going to be for actual months of gameplay. And it will probably not ever be removed just because it's a product of the legion engine and making the game have an actual infrastructure again would require a lot of coding effort.

Basically it kills the persistent world and also has detrimental effects on the economy and PvP
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>>462306725
>Jesse Cox
well of fucking course he would shill for it
the dude's a fucking Blizzard cock-sucker.
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>>462305534
Hes an incel who lived off welfare and taco bell until other incels started giving him their parents money to make him a millionare

>muh illegal immigrants are taking all the jobs!
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>>462306852
heroic strike is a BFA talent.
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>>462306725
there are several people appearing more than once in this picture.
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>>462306725
The whole target audience of this project has always been autistic millennials what did you expect?
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>playing an Activision-Blizzard game in 2000+10+9

You deserve everything that happens to you
Bobby Kotick will literally rape your childhood through your brain
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>>462306894
He’ll be bitching about it in a month after putting 1000hrs into it.
>There’s nothing to do at endgame!
Fuck sodapoppin
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>>462306852
>Armored mob 4 lvls higher than you does less damage

>Armored mob 4 lvls higher than you doesn't absorb any damage
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>>462306874
>playing on lights hope
>30 people waiting to kill Sarkoth
That shit was bad. And if it's gone I'm glad. You couldn't find a single Prowler in the entirety of the Barrens.
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>>462306997
What a coincidence, that's also what /v/'s demographic was before normie zoomers took over.
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>>462306725
>No Esfand
>No TipsOut
>No StaySafe
>Asmongold 3 times

you fucking shitter.
Work on it.
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>>462306901
>And it will probably not ever be removed
It won't. You don't invest that much time and resources into a design only to throw it away after a few months. Layering will never go away. Their PR team just told them not to say that yet.
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>>462306179
You do realize this is the game where even max level dungeon bosses spend like 3 seconds casting a nuke that hits about as half as hard as mage players nuke... right? Vanilla wow was considered ultra casual and ezmode and it was true.
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>>462307038
>armored mob

This isn't a thing.
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>>462307057
>30 people
You mean 6 antisocial faggots that don't want to group up?
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>Mobs literally doing 3 dmg

ahahahahahahahahaha

https://clips.twitch.tv/TawdrySavoryPheasantTheRinger

10/10 scam BFA reskin
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>>462307036
he played private servers and leveled multiple 60s
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>>462307186
noooooooooo delet this
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>>462307157
mobs like turtles certainly have more armor than normal mobs.
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>>462307124
What they will say next is this:
>"You guys misunderstood! We meant layering would stay in the game as it was needed! We didn't mean their was an exact expiration, just tht things will be busiest in the beginning. That's the only reason we said that. Don't you guys have phones?"

Screencap this.
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>>462307186
>that clip

fuck so it's true

this is just a BFA reskin?
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>>462307098
4 yous, Why bother?
but thanks, will remake for next homefags thread
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>>462305707
Because that would cost more money and activision blizzard is looking to make an easy buck here.
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Was literally playing ‘alongside’ Asmongold on a private server. If anything, the pserver was more generous because I was finding a shit ton more bags and trash loot. Combat seemed about 90% identical in terms of difficulty, had I been with a paladin partner.
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HOME, HOME, WE HOME, WE FINALLY HOMEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>462306725

numales?
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>>462305249
hah yeah im gonna love jumping layers to farm rares and black lotus. BASED blizzard.
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>>462306874
>Flight paths replaced for teleports
You just had a kino idea anon. Time to flood the forums
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>>462305707
Shutting off layers is probably a trivial operation while merging servers isn't. You have to identify the server to shut down, kick everyone off it and merge the data into the new server, making sure there are no naming conflicts or anything like that. And this is before you consider resource efficiency from a purely cost standpoint.
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>You nostalgiacucks will NEVER EVER get vanilla
*Classic announced*
>Ok, well, they just did that to shut people up. They're not actually gonna do it.
*Updates come out about development*
>Alright, but they'll definitely ruin it with things like LFR and cross realm zoning!
*LFG, CRZ, cash shop, etc. all deconfirmed*
>W-well. they're lazy and definitely won't recreate the game right
*BTFO private server values, go the extra mile to implement spell batching, old energy regen rates, debuff limits, etc.*
>Loot trading and sharding will kill Classic! Mark my words!
*Loot trading changed based on community feedback, new system designed and coded just to avoid sharding*
>L-layering is even worse than sharding and a queue would totally be better because, uh, um, y-you think you do but you d-don't
>Stop enjoying the beta, it's gonna die at launch
>S-stop enjoying the launch, it's gonna be dead in a few months
>STOP HAVING FUN
>C-COME BACK TO RETAIL
>MY TRANSMOG AND CHEEVOS ARE USELESS IF YOU ALL DON'T COME BACK NOOOOOOO
Yup, feels good to be going home, boys.
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>>462307156
Coming from Everquest, I remember being amazed at 2 things. First, how retardedly easy it was because dying meant nothing at all (In Everquest, if you died, you lost as much as 2 weeks progress depending on your level). And secondly, it was irritating as fuck that monsters never missed. The formula was completely different than Everquest where hits and misses were a lot better in tune with your stats. And the enemy's stats. All mobs had different hit and evasion rates, and got morale boosts as more and more dogpiled you. If that happened in WoW, kiting would be non-existent.
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>>462306725
They're all wh**e
>this is the
unlike you
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>>462306330
Because the average american does. There are only like 15 countries in the world that has an average IQ above 100 and america is not one of them.
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>>462307186
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW
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Playing the beta is fun and nostalgic but I'm not feeling like it's worth the hype.
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>>462307714
NOOOOOOOOOO DELETE DELETE!!!!!!
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>>462307748
Nooo vanilla was the hardest thing ever I know this because I started in WotLK which was the BEST xpac!!!
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>>462304716
Your game is dead too lol
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>>462307186
Do enemies not dodge at all? No missed swings?
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>>462307996
It's literally e-celebs and streamers hyping it up because they get paid by Blizzard doing so.
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Never played a Paladin in vanilla (Rogue & Shaman player, stopped playing in WotLK), going to play one in Classic, what am I in store for?
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>>462308157
Wearing cloth and being a healbot. Unironically.

They cant tank and cant dps.
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>>462307996
Most of the people hyping it never actually played between 2004 and 2006. Those of us that did really don't give a fuck. I quit playing around 2009. And I have zero desire to ever play an MMO again in my life.

In fact, I'm pretty angry at Blizzard for trying to bait old users into the hamster wheel. Most people can't balance their lives and MMOs at the same time. Blizzard is basically a bunch of drug dealers say "Hey, come have one more taste, for old time's sake." and it's just really scummy. They waited to play this card until the last minute - when the knew WoW was going to shit. If they really cared about making players happy, they would have done it 8 years ago.
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>>462302882
But classicfags are saying layering is the same shit and that they won't play it because it's there
What a stupid image
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>>462307996
Did you have to have a sub to get in?
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>>462308157
playing with one hand
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>>462305940
>The obvious problem is that you'll notice your computer eating resources, when the area seems dead. Because the server is actively telling your computer to hide the appearance of the people...when their stats and data are still very much there.
That's not how it works at all. It's separate instances.
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WTF DUDE ASMON AND OTHER DUDE DIED TO A LVL 15, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>462308285
I have a sub yeah.
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>>462306330
Because he has double digit IQ
Have you ever seen his room?
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>>462308157
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>>462306852
It scales off weapon damage
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>>462306874
>MMOs at their best were never about the fast burn. 90% of your time in game was either waiting or traveling.
unfortunately the majority of people can't do that anymore. when we were younger and only had to worry about school it wasfine, now people have jobs and they don't want to spend the majority of their free time doing that stuff. mmos don't bring in kids anymore, they'd prefer to session based multiplayer games now, so developers have to change their mmos to target the working people that don't have the luxury to spend 90% of their game time walking around or waiting for something
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>>462307748
2 weeks is a bit of an exaggeration. If you died in a common leveling area at a high level you could almost always get a nearly complete rez and even if you couldn't it took like 5 or 6 hours tops with a decent xp group.
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>>462307186
The fuck is this? They should be doing more damage than that even at such a low level
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>>462308321
>>462308435
I'm going Rogue again, fuck this.
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>layering is ok, it doesn't even matter
welcome home, OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
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>>462305109
>can someone redpill this on me why its bad
BECAUSE IT WASNT IN ORIGINAL CLASSIC
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>>462308510
You die on a hell level with no rez, 2 weeks easy.
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>>462307748
easy/hard is a gross oversimplification though. In many cases Warcraft has a higher skill ceiling, while Everquest has a higher skill floor and is far more punishing.

You can be a complete shitter in WoW and still progress. In EQ, if you fail at a baseline competence you'll be fucked and will be lucky to make it past level 20 without rage-quitting. EQ also has no bumpers and safety rails like WoW. If you accidentally hit the attack button when talking to your level 60 class trainer, you'll be killed instantly. In WoW, you're not even allowed to attack your own quest-givers and friendly-faction NPCs.

On the other hand, most classes in WoW are more complex than most EQ classes. There are a lot more abilities, a lot more decisions to make, the pace of the game is much quicker, and there's no godlike crowd-control class to solve every multi-mob situation (Enchanter). Playing a class to optimal effectiveness is harder in WoW, and coordinating a team to optimal effectiveness is also harder in WoW. The difference is that for most of the PvE game, WoW doesn't demand anywhere near optimal effectiveness. Meanwhile, in EQ making any significant mistake is likely to lead to death or a full wipe.
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>>462308985
It's literally a better queue system. Debate me.
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>>462307748
>first MMO experience was UO private servers
>could potentially lose fucking everything when someone kills you or if you die and someone finds your corpse before you get to it
>thieves could steal your shit in "guarded" cities too
what I will always remember the most from the first time I ever played wow was how I shed a tear when I discovered what food and water were for and how that killed the downtime, something already ingrained in my brain after a few years of MMO hopping
and also leveling through quests alone and being able to do so on my own
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>>462307186
Caster mobs at this level always did low damage retard. Same thing with the imps in Valley of Trial. They never did fucking 15-20 damage with their fireballs, they always did regular 4-5 damage.
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>>462308985
Know what else wasn't in classic? HD resolution.
>WHERE'S THE NVIDIA AD IN THE GRAPHICS MENU!?
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this isn't vanilla, it's vanilla BFA edition.
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Wait I thought they were only doing that cross realm server shit at the starting zones, did they change that?
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>>462309294
There was never going to be cross-realm anything, Are you retarded?
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>>462309294
yeah it's everywhere for the entire first phase at least.
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>>462305308
yeah, well, you think you do, but you don't
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Face facts retailcucks, Classic leveling is harder than any mythic raid encounter.
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WTF DUDE ASMON ALMOST DIED TO A 1V1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bros....this isnt home....
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>>462309147
>far more punishing.
Discipline and Skill. WoW takes no discipline. You can fuck off and listen to the radio during raids because minor slip-ups won't change anything. That wasn't true in Everquest. You needed discipline just as much as skill. If you slipped in front of a mob for a split second, you could wipe the raid.
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>>462309405
Crossrealm BGs are confirmed lmao
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bros....we're finally going home....
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>>462309294

it's "layering" aka sharding, and it's in.
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>>462306365
Dude, WoW plain didn't work for like a week straight. The launch was a disaster.
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this will never get as popular as old school runescape
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>>462305707
Why make more servers knowing you're going to have to merge them in a week after everyone has spread out across the world, instead of having an automated system that does the same thing by instancing a single server?

>>462309294
layering is the polar opposite of cross-realm
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>>462305905
But I want thousands of people in each starting zone
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>>462309147
>there's no godlike crowd-control class to solve every multi-mob situation (Enchanter)
As someone who's main was an enchanter, you're grossly oversimplifying their role. They had to tash, slow, mez, and before KEI buffing clarity every 6 minutes.

The only reason WoW doesn't have "godly crowd control" is because you're able to tank 30 mobs at once. In Everquest, each additional mob was 25% stronger than the one standing next to it. By the time you 4 mobs on you, fuck it, you're dead. Mez was essential.
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Everyone who is bitching about layering now: you won't need to worry about layering in a few months after the hype dies down and people hit that level 30 slog to 40 and quit. There won't be any layers because there will barely be a few thousand people playing at a given time. It's fine.
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>>462309630
Why do you think they need layering?
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>>462309602
Except those were actually in vanilla.
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So this about the perfect time to get into WoW for someone who has never played WoW, eh?
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>>462306365
>I'm betting Classic will have somewhere between 1-2 million people at launch.
Depends on how they price it. If they try that $60 + $15/month shit, it will be less than 1mil. Some people simply want to try it, not actually invest in it. And a high upfront cost will run them off.
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>>462310094
No, absolutely not. I say this as someone who played WoW a lot from 2005 onward. Do literally anything else with your time.
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>>462310053
Certainly not because the initial launch was so smooth(it wasn't) because of low initial pressure(there wasn't).
You're just making shit up as you go along. Your word means less than nothing. The WoW launch was a disaster.
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>>462306614
>yup you could only regen with water.
Why do people keep saying this shit? HP and Mana always regened after you stopped casting for a few seconds and left combat. That is why MP/5 exists. It's sole purpose was in-combat regen, and it stood independent from the innate regen.
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>>462309294
Yep. Blizzard backpedaling and falling down the slippery slope as usual
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>layering
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING HOME BROS WTF
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Changes you wish they would implement. Let's hear em.

I'll start.
>Haircuts from Wrath at character creation.
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>>462310393

Know what the alternative is to layering? Not being able to log in and play the game because of server overload.
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vanilla isn't that hard, any decent solo class can make it to 40+ with zero deaths
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>>462310453
I'm still waiting for them to add the aerial dogfights. How did they even get away with such blatant false advertisement?
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>>462310453

Talents that are BG excusive, or some way for you to be able to re-spec when the change only affects BG pvp.
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>>462310249
Why do you need a smooth launch?
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>>462309812
>you're grossly oversimplifying their role
No, I just didn't take pains to elaborate on the challenges of playing an Enchanter. The fact is that no matter how challenging it might have been to play an EQ Enchanter, they still solved crowd control without help from any other character (except perhaps a healer and good puller who kept adds manageable).

The presence of enchanters in Everquest eliminates the need for 99% of the potential decision-making for other group members. Everyone else just mindlessly hits /assist and attacks when the leader says so. Second-tier CC abilities like root were never used. Off-tanking was never used, unless mobs were immune to mez in which case enchanters wound up sitting on their thumbs, Enchanters were the only class that routinely hated NTOV.
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>>462310550
Same as any other blizzard launch, same as private servers, nobody cares
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>>462310550
like godblizz intended before satanvision took over
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>>462310550
Know what is alternative to vanilla? Playing retail.
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>>462310104
All Classic requires is a wow sub which is just $15 a month. You don't even need to have the newest xpac.
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>>462307186
OH NO NO NO NO NO
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>>462310614
Dont you technically do that in some instances or raids during WOTLK?
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What's with the blatant misinformation and doom saying that contradicts what the developers are saying and showing?
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>>462310614
they had gay ass aerial combat in icecrown
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>>462310550
This happened pretty much every major patch day for the 10 years I played. It was never more than 45 minutes. "Oh noes, now I have to go do laundry and dishes or browse 4chan while waiting". It really was not a big deal. Fucking addicts.
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>White birthrate continuing to fall
>mass migration increasing
>climate change Eschaton approaching
>automation about to wipe out all the jobs
>now Layering

ENOUGH
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>>462310881
>Trusting blizzard any time
Fuck off shill
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>>462310674
>>462305710
>>462306365
The launch was a disaster. 200k was massively over projections, there were constant queues and crashes.

Stop talking out of your ass, you fucking idiot.
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why did beta start and I'm not in
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>>462310881
because doomposters have nothing better to do than to shitpost.
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>>462302882
LOL HE POST IT AGAI
HE POST THE WHITE FACE GUY
LOl SOME1 POST GREEN MAN
POST IT AGAIN
I POST GREEN MAN
NOW SOEONE WILL POST THE WHITE FACE :DDDD
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Fucked up on chinkdale and have to do the Hearts of the Pure for my succ, what level should I be to invade the northern Wetlands?
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>>462310550
even nu-wow launches had that, i remember cata and mop logging in and being in queue and just going to bed and playing the next day, who cares.

go fuckyourself with all this sharding/layeringcrz nonsense .
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>cap worlds/shards/layers to maybe 2k people
>have tons of worlds/shards/layers that people can freely choose from in case one is too full
Runescape proving that it's the superior mmorpg once again
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>>462310981
Why do you need a smooth launch? Answer me blizzdrone
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>>462310718
>they still solved crowd control without help from any other character
Crowd control was a team effort. There were multiple mez spells. The ones with the lowest resist rates also broke randomly. Which means everyone drops fucking everything and stands completely still and waits for it be be re-mezzed while the main mob continues to beat on the tank and the loose mob is going after the cleric, then after the mob is mezzed, they move the active mob away so it doesn't get hit (mez broken) in the crossfire.

What fucking game were you playing?
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>>462310881
Are you new here?
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>>462310718
>Second-tier CC abilities like root were never used. Off-tanking was never used,
these were constantly used. and clerics could and did mez undead. you had shit groups.
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>>462311207
KR MMO's has been doing "channels" that you can choose from since forever.
You choose a region server and then you can switch between lots of channels with like a 15min CD.
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the game is figured out. you know how to beat Rag. you know where to farm. EVERYTHING is known.

that's the problem with vanilla.
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>>462311518
>what are private servers
>why are people playing them
retard
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>>462311518
why is it not fun if it's known?
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>start getting ganked while leveling
>get friend to invite me to his group
>jump to his layer and escape the gankers
Cant wait to dab on all the griefers lol
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imagine playing the ugliest fucking race/gender combo with the worst animation set in the game with the intent of never leaving noggenfogger/deviate delight costumes at endgame just so you can feel different (above) from the average person
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>>462311704

most people will quit cause they are "bored".

zoomers have no attention span.
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>>462311978
Why does a game need a million people for you to want to enjoy playing it?
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>>462305487
Wait they changed things so certain classes aren't useless?
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>>462309630
>>462310981
Remember that website someone made, that just showed a picture of the character select screen with an absurdly long queue (like 10k+) slowly ticking down while the chorus of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monCWKHC8Vw played in the background.
Good times boys
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>>462310614
>We're adding flying in TBC
Fucking awesome!
>Get to level 70
>It's just swimming in the air
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>>462311857
Imagine typing all of this out like any of it matters
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>>462312117

raids need people

no players = no people to run content with
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>>462312231
40 people, 20-25 for ony, mc, bwl, zg
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>>462312231
oh wow so you're telling me that Classic won't even have 40 people, sad
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>>462311857
t.tranny ally nef or human healslut
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>>462312176
>got this exact same reaction
>"h-haha well maybe they'll improve it later and this is just a placeholder!"
>it wasn't
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>>462311857
> tfw rolling female tauren and commissioning porn of said character
sucks to be you
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>>462311250
>Which means everyone drops fucking everything and stands completely still
Exactly. Everyone else stops playing the game while the enchanter does his work. Then you can start playing again (doing your mindless attacks or debuffs) once the mobs are mezzed again.
This shit your describing is not challenging for a group. Yes, it's exacting. If you fuck it up, everyone dies. But it's not hard at all for anyone except the Enchanter. Anyone making it to high levels of Everquest could do this shit without thinking about it. The only challenge is not falling asleep from sheer boredom.

WoW doesn't demand perfect coordination and punish the slighest mistake with a wipe. But, if you want to control a crowd as effectively as EQ, multiple characters must ACTIVELY coordinate (not just play with their dicks for 10 seconds waiting for the enc). The Mage can polymorph one, the rogue can sap another one, a warlock might use succubus mez or fear. Maybe you'll use the mage Root as well.

This is actually much harder to do well. The difference is that mobs are easier and fucking up isn't punished with instant death and even if someone dies it's no big deal.
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>>462311857
pleb, femtaur a cute
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>>462312176
What were you expecting? The inability to stop moving forward?
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so barrens has like 3 fucking people in it

why did they release to only a small amount of streamers?
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>>462312854
I was expecting flying to have some movement mechanics that made it interesting and fun. I was hoping for some quests that would teach you how to fly, and that being "good" at flying would be something revered. All they did it make it so you could "swim" in the air. If you lag, you even use the swimming animation if you dismount in the air.
I just expected too much I guess.
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>>462313245
They had the Netherwing flying quests.
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>>462313000
>so barrens has like 3 fucking people in it
works on my layer :)
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>oh fug i sharded :DDDDD
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>Got a beta download
>Not going to play it
I don't want to go back. It was shit then, and it'll be worse shit now. Nostalgia only helps so much.
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>>462313504
And?
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>>462310798
why would I sub for botched """classic""" wow when I could play REAL vanilla for free
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>>462313789
>real vanilla
>wrong regen
>wrong armor and magic resist
>no pathing mobs
>their own qol changes

lol
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the game is ruined

>regen isn't even right

guess mana batteries aren't needed for raids anymore :)))
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>want to play druid
>dont want to play Tauren
>male NEs look retarded
>only choice is Fem NE but I'll be called a tranny
Trolls really should have been able to be druids. Its even in the fucking lore.
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>soda shitting on tipsout in bear form
Druids #1 man
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>>462312854
For it to be like flying
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>>462314279
No it isn't
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>>462313898
Better than
>wrong engine
>sharding
>no progressive loot
>nu-alterac valley to please zoomers who want to speedrun it in 4 minutes
>bright as fuck nights
>wrong regen
>can mount up in booty bay
>talents not working
to name just a few
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I'm so glad this game is going to do well. The amount of assblast its generating is great.
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>>462314279
The earthmother calls
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>>462314438
The regen is not wrong, you're all just retarded zoomers who never played in vanilla

at levels <15 health and mana regened stupidly fast

Fucking retarded twitch zoomers parroting mindlessly
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>>462314438
All of those points are wrong. Nice try though.
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I'm pretty happy that if you play on a pvp server you will never see streamers because they're too scared to
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>>462310550
>Server overload
You know there is a reason why they had multiple realms right? If chink infested russki private servers can handle 8000+ people then is it safe to assume that a 3000 population ran by a multi billion dollar company can function properly? if one of the realms is overpopulated then you pick another one zoomer
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>>462314562
Fuck off retard, casters had to drink from 0 to full every 3 mobs
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>>462306347
The only buff is devotion aura dumbass
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If they dont shard or layer then you literally cant play at launch.

Honestly give no fucks, by the time you're 20 its going to be gone anyway.
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>>462314961
achievements are overrated and pathetic is subjective

let people have fun, we're all going to die, life and the world sucks so enjoy what you can
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https://youtu.be/SwLjJH8LXfc?list=PL49Ga_-r7iKkxrbckm9CkUhWzxqrOnw-n&t=497

OMFG GUYS LOOK IN 2006 THESE LEVEL 4 MOBS KEPT HITTING FOR 1'S AND 5'S OMFG LOOK CLASSIC IS SO UNREALISTIC LOOK AT THOSE REGEN RATES OMFG BLIZZ HAS UNDERTUNED CLASSIC FOR NORMIES
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>>462315021
Why can't you? Oh yeah they won't pay for servers
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people will get bored of this in under a month after release
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>>462307186
Mob was 13, I'm 11.
Sour grapes, faggot. There are 26 alliance warriors online, lol.
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>>462302882
Assmangoal is nigger soi
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>>462314937
LOOK AT JOANAS FUCKING PLAYTHROUGH DURING LOW LEVELS YOU RETARDED FAGGOT YOU FUCKING TWITCH ZOOMERS DONT KNOW FUCKING SHIT

>>462315084
>>462315084
>>462315084
>>462315084
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>>462315090
Nigga that never works. Everyone wants to play on the most popular servers. Doesnt matter if you have 10 or 100 servers a handful will get overpopulated and the others will be barren.
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>>462314581
Dumbest post ever. Let's go point by point again, shall we?
>wrong engine
Factual, we're using bfa client not 1.12
>sharding
Factual, it's just called layering this time.
>no progressive loot
Factual, and confirmed by blizzard themselves. Takes about 3 seconds to google.
>nu-alterac valley
Factual, and once again confirmed by blizzard in the classic PvP information
>bright as fuck nights
Factual, you can look into comparasion pictures yourself, or just test it yourself.
>wrong regen
Factual, a mage was regenerating mana while spamming fireballs, this is not possible at level 5.
>can mount up in booty bay
Factual, and not blizzlike. Multiple sources have reported on this.
>talents not working
Factual, multiple talents currently do not work.

In short, go fuck yourself zoomer.
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>people are already getting bored
aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>462303536
A technique that allows you to play MMOs solo without any other people bothering you
It can't be disabled btw
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>>462315354
>zoomer so used to playing games that dont leave early access he thinks beta is the full game

theres a reason why the bug reporter exists.
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>>462315381
What do you mean, don't people find doing the most generic "kill X or collect X items" for hours and hours while you only press 1-2 buttons to kill mobs fun?
Must be zoomers alright.
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>>462315323
>Everyone wants to play on the most popular servers
And now nobody can! Hooray!
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>>462305135
Who fucking cares about PvP? That shit only belongs in instanced battleground settings anyway. World PvP is cancer.
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>>462315285
Look at his hp regen, mongoloid.
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>>462315381
>Getting bored of something that pays the money

Dumbass this is their job of course they are bored
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>>462314961
My life was even more pathetic during vanilla. I was 22. Still unemployed. Parents were extremely disappointed and worried about me. Now I'm 37, have a wife, a step son, make 70k a year. I'm ready to go home.
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>>462315625
Its the same as what level 4s in the classic beta are regen'ing
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>>462315520
AHAHA HAHA OH MY GOD ITS OVER
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>>462315539
I've played blizzard games for the better part of my life and I can tell you that after about cataclysm the game has been the same as it was in beta pmuch everytime. Hundreds of people report the same bugs yet it never gets fixed for release, the blizzard you knew and loved is long gone, what makes you think they would actually fix shit this one time?
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>>462314961
>nobody has ever enjoyed a private server
0/10, you tried
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>>462304309
or maybe it's just upped to allow less downtime for more testing? Genius.
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>>462315647
Are you going to be playing the game with your wife's son?
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>>462315647
>step son
oof
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>>462315647
>have a wife
>a step son
MY WIFES SON
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>>462306179
that's one ugly dude
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All I literally want is a blizzard run private server that won't be shut down and this is what they're giving. I'm happy. Fuck corrupt Pservers and their chink/russian pops.
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>>462315606
There is nothing they can do to change human behavior, this is an issue all MMOs have had.
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>>462315817
>>462315790
It's the most manly thing a dude can do is to take responsibility for your lover's son and raise him as your own. No boy deserves not to have a caring, kind father. That boy will grow up to be a good man with anon's influence in his life. My biological dad was a stepdad to my older brother.
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>>462305258
>Search "Safe Haven reaction"
>Half of vids belongs to Assmongol
STOP PUSHING HIM.
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>Retailfags are so desperate to pretend vanilla is bad their only ammo is a temporary feature which has to be used to prevent the servers dying in the first week
Yeah because we would ALL love another Diablo 3 launch.

Sharding is 100% acceptable for the first few weeks STAY MAD AND HAVE SEX RETAILFAGS.
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>>462315960
It's a bigger problem nowadays with twitch and e-celeb cancer. Although I agree it was always a problem to an extent.
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>>462315781
>>462315790
>>462315817
HAHAH WOW HILARIOUS MEME >LE KEK KUCK KEK BASEDBOY ONIONS ONIONS KEK VASECTOMY!!!!
He is the best son I could've asked for and we're hoping to conceive another one in September. At least I will pass on my lineage in some way while you permavirgins family trees will die with you.
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>>462307714
layering is worse than sharding if sharding was only going to be in the starter zones
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>>462316089
Okay the first reply was genuine and you're a dick for lumping me with those other two trolls.
>>462316004
>>462316004
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>>462315710
nah.

Filtered your autistic rant tho
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>>462316004
the only time being a step father is acceptable, is to marry a widow. if you marry a woman who married a deadbeat youre just enabling bad behavior
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>>462316067
It's never going away, blizzard knows you cucks will just suck it up anyway. They might even add LFR later down the line because you'll still be too much of a cuck to quit.
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>>462316184
SEETHING

HAVE SEX KEK
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>>462307748
EQ was orders of magnitude harder than WoW. These faggots complaining about mana regen rate, even at it's slowes, mana regen in WoW was superpowered compared to EQ (where one had to stare at a spellbook for 5-10 minutes)
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>>462306454
Yeah, there was almost none.
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>>462316175
It hurts being proven wrong, but you can grow from this experience. Next time you should do actual research on the topic you're discussing to prevent embarrassment like this. Also go to bed, it's getting late and you have school tomorrow.
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>>462309501
no it's not, but that doesn't make it worse
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>>462316237
runescape takes tons of time to progress to 99 , doesnt make it a better game
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>>462316237
No fucking shit? Everyone knows this dude. World of warcraft was the casual MMO when it released, what's funny is that in the current market it's a pretty hardcore one. What the fuck happened to this genre?
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>>462315647
Maybe you could play Classic WoW with your wife's son.
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>>462315960
But they can just put everyone on the same server like they did for every other game and people will enjoy it. Now, nobody enjoys it. Sharding is some stupid shit and you are dumb for defending it
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>>462316085
I always did it because I always wanted to be on the most 'alive' server, that mentality obviously applies to lots and lots of people.

You can pick any random MMO and look at their server populations, the first server in the list that normally appears there is going to attract more people, if its filtered alphabetically then its going to be that server and if its population based then whatever got the highest pop at launch will sustain itself.

You cant force people to certain servers because you have to let people play with friends, so if people can one way or another pick servers they will abuse that mechanic to get onto the server they want (which will be the most alive one)

I always through the best thing to do is increase exp/gold rates on less popular servers and have it scale. So near death servers give a lot more progress, and alive servers give normal. Give people a carrot for being on less popular servers and keeping them alive as well as spread out.
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>Soda peaking at 45k viewers
>Asmon peaking at 40k viewers

>Towelie peaking at 2k viewers
>TipsOut peaking at 1.2k viewers
WHY ARENT THEY WATCHING OUR BROS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEW FACES OF VANILLA IT WAS THEIR TURN
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>>462306347
>>462306370
He only has devotion aura you disgusting shill piece of shit.
It seems that people were right about the blizzdrone shills around here
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>>462316387
at least with old school runescape they gave you the exact classic game with no strings attached and for a year it was fantastic and now it's shit because they couldn't resist ruining it with so ypdates

classic wow is going to be shit from the very start
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>>462316067
You're the retail fag though, blizzdrone
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>>462316089
Ok, cuck. Have fun with your used goods and taking care of someone elses son. You probably play a heal slut too.
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>>462316480
>But they can just put everyone on the same server like they did for every other game and people will enjoy it.
I know you're trolling but no server can do that and no MMO has or ever will do it except for niche ones.
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>>462315647
>>462316004
>>462316089

LMAO, look at this assblasted cuck and laugh.
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>>462316530
Shouldn't tips have more? HE MADE THE GUILD AND IS GM
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>>462316517
I don't think it matters in vanilla, but in TBC onwards being on a good PvP server is essential I feel.
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>tfw you get on the same layer as sodapoppin and write OMEGALUL in chat
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>>462316530
>thinking anyone wants to watch others play video games
>thinking views dictates popularity
>thinking we give a shit about your eceleb idiocy
Back to shittid you go.
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Guys...watching a stream of the beta. There are the action animations of the warrior swinging an axe....it's not vanilla animation. it's retail

WHY

WHYYYYY

come ON. WHY?!?!?? are you serious. this is such a massive dealbreaker for me...something as basic as, animation the fucking game as it was in """"CLASSIC""""

amazing how much hype got killed for me in the span of 1 day. unreal how out of touch blizzard is
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>>462316608
You know what I mean retard. There is literally no need for sharding, the blizzard Devs have gone mad with power
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>>462316630
Have you ever had sex? Go away
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>>462316682
Good just meaning popular. Obviously each type of server will have one dominating server.

Also PvP is for fags
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>>462316530
>"viewers"
Viewbots are not real viewers, anon.
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>>462316067
>Sharding is 100% acceptable for the first few weeks STAY MAD AND HAVE SEX RETAILFAGS.

Look at this vanillacuck calling out retailfags while defending retail features at the same time.
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>>462316760
Why are you asking me? Do you want me to fuck your wife or something!?
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>>462316719
don't play the game then no one cares classic has updated animations

gtfo out with your autism
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>>462316812
PvP is fun. I don't really understand how you can hate PvP if you're interested in classic at all, it's one of the bigger reasons to play it. Fighting pve mobs gets boring
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>>462316880
>>462316567
Its not a retail feature, its a modern feature of server architecture. If Blizzard has this tech back when WOW first launched they would be stupid not to use it.

Here is your last (you) trolls
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>>462316684
>tfw you donate all your gold to Sodapoppin so he can buy a mount and he makes a PogChamp face then says your name on stream
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>>462302882
layering is different from sharding though
sharding is permanent and random, sharding is pre-generated, continuous and then will be turned off after Phase 2 or 3 or whenever
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>>462316530
twitch is dying, zoomers are already bored with it
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Are world firsts to 60 from streamers going to count if they get a free mount from donated gold? 100% SKIPs allowed
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>>462317027
I dont remember sharding in vanilla
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>>462316890
you gtfo you shill fuck
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>>462317002
Because its depth-less. If I wanted PvP with purpose I would go play EvE or even RS. WoW World PvP is just being a dick for no purpose over and over and instanced is not even a part of the MMO its basically a side game tacked onto the experience.

From day 1 the plan should have been to release new land where clans can own land and PvP each other for resources and map control. Modern MMOs have completely lost the plot with their instanced bullshit. It is not a MMO feature and never should never be included.
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>>462317172
>watching other people play video games
more cuck than letting a bull bang your girl
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>>462317242
why the fuck you here crybaby? you aint playing anyways so fuck off
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>>462306910
he's also a shitsucker at wow
never good before cata
played Resto "cast healing rain and afk for 30 seconds" ration shaman in 25man in Cata
sucked shit ever since
shit player
s*yded individual
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>>462315520

holy fuck that looks awful
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>>462317043
>tfw you play classic WoW in any capacity and give blizzard money
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>>462306454
From an empty mana bar it would probably take about 3-4 minutes to fully regen with no spirit.
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>>462307186
>>462307409
>>462307460
>>462307903
>>462308089
>>462308613
>>462309215
>>462310863
>>462315214
IT'S A BUGTEST BETA YOU RETARDS
THEYRE GONNA REPORT THE BUGS
BLIZZARD ARE GONNA FIX IT
THIS ISNT CLASSIC
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
THEYRE GONNA FIX IT BEFORE RELEASE
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>>462317027
It is a retail feature lol
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my brainlet finally figured out the difference
sharding happens because the servers are fucking dead
layering happens because the servers are filled to the brim
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Ah, I love the feeling of dying 15-30 times while leveling and I'm glad these streamers get to see what real wow is like. Not that silly shit in retail.
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>>462317582
>A bunch of twitch celebrity blizzard marketers who never played vanilla will report these bugs
Think again
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>>462317663
Well, sharding also happens when servers are filled, but they are constantly trying to balance the people between shards.
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>>462317663
Layering happens because blizzard are incompetent
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>>462317314
faggots like u are the cancer of this game
you probably were all agaisnt classic before it was announced
go eat shit
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>calling a duel on a pve server PVPing

HAHAHAHAHA
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>>462310193
Really late to respond but if you're still here, care to explain why?
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If you play this game for any other reason besides griefing retail layering shills for 16 hours straight you're a cuck.
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>>462303536
open world mmo aids
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>>462315354
>a feature is literally in the blizzard client, coded by blizzard, chosen by blizzard, and hosted by blizzard
>not blizzlike

holy fuck you nerds are delusional
buy a gun and keep it handy for when Classic launches so you can finally visit vanilla stormwind for real
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>>462318278
How can you grief me if I can just ask to be invited to some dungeon and then immediately leave the group once I'm in a new layer
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>>462311316
It's mild hyperbole.
You're missing the point that the crowd control gameplay is simply much richer in World of Warcraft. You can't deny it. All you can do is point at the lower difficulty level and claim it doesn't matter, which I never argued.
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>>462318318
It's nice of you zoomers to expose yourself so easily. You can't mount in Booty Bay in vanilla, but you can in the classic version right now, it is wrong.
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>>462318357
Oh sorry sweet but we're going to be on all the layers ;)
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>>462315354
Unironically based
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>>462317872
>a clever solution to an impossible problem
>is very temporary
>is somehow bad
Go fuck your self, brainlet.
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rather play tbc lol classic is ass
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>>462318318
Go back to retail kid
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>>462302882
(((asmongold)))
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>>462318357
thats not how layers work
your world layer will be assigned upon login and you'll stay on the layer until layers are removed unless youre in a group
when you leave the group you go straight back to your assigned layer till
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>>462318437
>my private server was coded by a bunch of russians and they mistakenly didn't allow mounting in booty bay
>this is blizzlike
>blizzard themselves used to allow mounting and currently allow mounting in booty bay
>this is not blizzlike

prove you couldnt mount in vanilla. launch the vanilla client and show blizzard where the mount touched you. if you think a private server is a source, kill yourself
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>>462318564
>a clever solution to spending more money
>bad player experience
>is good for blizzards wallets
blizzcucks everybody.
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>>462318564
>Problem that didn't need solving gets solved in way that is worse than the problem in the first place
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>>462315354
>youre a faggot
factual
it's a videogame, get over yourself nerd
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>>462318682
Lol bad luck if you and only 10 other people get put in your layer then
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>>462316760
youre sad
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>>462316560
people were bitching his whole stream about the game being piss easy because he had a pally heals and buffslut on his ass. I didn't even open that image. but if you really want to break this shit down then let's fucking go.

9 max damage non-crit on the mace. warriors gain 2 melee attack power per strength point. at level 10 a warrior has 27 strength. so that's 54 attack power which increases your base DPS by 1 for every 14 attack power. that's 4 damage from strength attack power. for a total 13 max non-critical damage on a mining mallet. heroic strike at rank 2 which he got at level 8 adds 21 damage to the strike. so max he could hit for would be 34. he hit for 25.
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>people using their experience on shitty private servers as "blizzlike"
yall are fuckin retarded
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>>462318906
classic projection
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>>462305875
>>462306007
B-but he makes epic reactions to things and gets triggered when people send him anime haha! He's totally not like the other 4000 popular streamers who do the exact same shit as him, right?
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>>462318760
LMAO AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA BLIZZARD BTFO
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>>462318741
this image would be way better if instead of normie clinton conspiracy shit it went into donald trump's relationship with israel
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>>462318969
good comeback loser
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>>462318741
Confirmed for not playing vanilla then. You'll see when blizzard fix it since there's been a lot of feedback from ACTUAL vanilla players regarding this.
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>sharding

>call it "layering"

BUT IT IS DIFFERENT GUYS
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>>462315354
what is mp5? oh right zoomers dont know anything about mp5
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>>462304882
there aren't boars in northshire you fag
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t
b
c
when
i wanna play shadow priest
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>>462304882
So it's like guild wars 1 districts?
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>have HOME threads spammed for months on end
>HOME finally arrives and is a steaming pile of shit
Based blizzard marketing team BTFOing WOWtards yet again
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>>462319103
It is different, you fucking brainlet.
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>>462318898
>selling empty layer invite 10g
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>>462319110
Mages do not have any mp5 at level 5. mp5 is mostly in end game pieces.
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>>462318898
theyre going to be sectioned out something like this
First 100 go to A
Next 100 go to B
Last 100 go to C
next 100 Refill from A > B > C >

you'll always have people in your layer, unless everyone from your layer decides to suddenly quit in the first month of the game, since layers will only last about 1-2 months
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>>462305875
He pretty much has aspergers, if you can't sympathise with that then you are not one of us

Also, who the hell cleans his room?
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>>462319170
Soon

TBC was when I was kicking ass on Ret Paladin. Fucking amazing DPS>
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>>462319180
literally everyone knows how bad classic is dont the the activision shills tell you otherwise
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>>462319256
>Not wanting new, creative ways of having player-run services and gold generation
hurrrr capitalism bad player interaction bad farming dire maul for the 50000000st time good
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>Homefags
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>462319352
have to keep playing private servers til then
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>>462319325
Himself probably, also his room constantly has molding takeaway meals and shit, it's disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yci-HlI3TB8
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>>462319443
who cares lol
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it looks good to me. You guys are starved for another Tortanic.
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>>462318741
It was impossible to mount in bb or blackrock in actual retail vanilla. Private servers confirmed to be more accurate than "classic" shitshow.
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>>462318980
Its even worse hes not the one who makes reaction vids other people do and upload them. Hes so lazy he cant even be bothered to clip out his own reactions after a stream and make some more money.
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>>462319443
>old picture from blizzcon demo that blizz even stated they fixed
nice falseflag faggot
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>>462319302
Why would they split the population if the server isn't full? Based retard
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>>462319190

>sharding: people phase

>layering: people are filtered into shards

it's worse actually. you will never see another layer.
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>>462319170
But raids need 1sp for +10% debuff once 16 debuff slots are available
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>>462319737
so that people can actually log into the game, instead of having 1k people sat in a queue
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I'm watching a stream. There are so many little things that are wrong...

The player/enemy gets highlighted when you hover over them...that was not in vanilla

so many of the animations are wrong or look weird...its like they ported legion into the vanilla interface. very bizarre

big dealbreakers that, even if they dont affect gameplay, are so noticable that it's hard for me to play if it is in the final product. blizzard is so fucking lazy
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>>462319682
Yea just like they fixed phasing
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>Mages can now open layer portals
Best class.
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>>462319443
I don't get it
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BROS DON'T LISTEN TO THE SHITPOSTERS IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT WE'RE GOING HOME BROS LAYERING IS LITERALLY THE MOST BASED THING EVER ITS NOTHING LIKE SHARDING ITS NOT A RESKINNED BFA THERE WAS LOVE AND SOUL PUT INTO IT BROS IT HAS RIGHT CLICK REPORTING TO TAKE CARE OF BIG MEANIES IN CHAT DONT YOU HAVE A PHONE NO SHOES!!!! *posts paladin one shotting rogue.webm* ITS GONNA BE PLEASE BUY OUR GAME I MEAN BLIZZARD'S GAME I DON'T WANT TO BE LAID OFF COUNTRY ROADS CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
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>>462319749
>You will see ~3000 of the same people across the entire world
>No phasing on zone borders into different dimensions with randoms from other servers

Please explain how this is the same as the sharding tech on retail.
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>>462319853
They never said it wasn't having sharding
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LMAO why don't they make a world of Warcraft 2 so the graphics aren't total shit!?
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>>462319890
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>>462319890
I want to report racist fucks and people who post transphobic shit actually, if you say that garbage you deserve a right click ban
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>>462319908

>server regular logs in

>"layer" is full

>never see them again

it's bad.
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>Dude we made it like how it used to be
>Posers flock to it
>People immediately start begging for the shit that made it easy, but not that terrible late game stuff, just some of the mid game stuff for QoL, we swear
Happened to OSRS
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>>462320039
And me and the boys will right click report you for being a fucking tranny and you'll be perma muted
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>>462319838
If I'm in a queue I would just join another server. I'd rather not play than play on my own. It's an MMO.
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>>462319998
modern day blizz cant make good games.
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>>462320039
kys nigger shill
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>>462319841
>so many of the animations are wrong or look weird...its like they ported legion into the vanilla interface. very bizarre
What the fuck are you autists talking about? I havent played WoW since TBC, so I've never seen any of the new animations, but they look exactly the fucking same as Vanilla. I swear private servers fucked peoples heads.
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>>462320302
Implying you'll last that long being a hateful piece of shit. If you join any WoWG guilds I will be sending reports left and right for things you say in gchat. Keep it in discord you piece of human trash.
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All those years of private server hopping,
all those years of waiting.
Finally it happens.
Game looks great, can't wait to play it again.
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>>462320389
you wont be on your own you retarded cunt
you'll be in your assigned shard for a month
and then post p1, you'll be in the wider server once they figure out hosting metrics and weights
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>>462320302
>>462320462
Say that to me on WoW and enjoy your ban ;^)
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>>462320462
*SNAP* Yep. This one's going in my cringe compilation.
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>>462320589
>sharding
You're not playing it again, you're playing some shitty knockoff.
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>>462320039
kys yourself already, tranny
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>>462320605
An assigned shard that might not have anyone in it
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>>462320462
Based
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>>462320527
Fuck off faggot
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>>462320637
I'll be on voice with the boys and only talking in party / gchat anyway
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>>462320605
>and then post p1, you'll be in the wider server once they figure out hosting metrics and weights
Why would you actaully believe them on that? They already backpedaled on sharding and expanded it once, it surely won't be the last time.
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>>462320589
Yeah think of the epic PvP moments bruh, imagine fighting someone and they shard swap when they start losing.
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>>462320792
Then we won't have a problem because I won't see any of your opinions. No one said you couldn't be a retard with like retards. :)
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>>462302882
>WOW CLASSIC HAS FUCKING MMO CHANNELS

YOU FUCKING FOOLS YOU THOUGHT BLIZZARD WOULD GIVE YOU SOMETHING PURE AGAIN?
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>>462320039
Go away transfag
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>>462302882
>lvl 13-14 casters doing 50 damage per cast
What did people say about Classic being undertuned?
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>>462320979
BUT MY LVL 1-5 EXPERIANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>462315624
t. caster
I will enjoying one shotting you.
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>>462320718
>>462320867
woah, watch the negativity ladies, who shit in your bowl lmao.
i hate the new wow and sharding as much as the next guy and i'll be the first fucker to quit if they implement layering badly, but let's just wait and see before crying wolf here.
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>>462315520
Why isn't this post more popular?
This is fucking awful. It ruins the fun an MMO could have to begin with.
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>>462320527
>>462320637
>>462320682
GTFO-DILATE you weirdo fuck
Trans are humanoid abominations and they should be treated like such
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>gank someone

>"layer hop" to another layer

>they never are seen again

vanilla, you say
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>>462321228
because it's the demo at an extreme situation that never happened even in the demo.
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>>462307682
You have no idea the complexity of doing either of the tasks in your first statement.
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>>462321146
You can invite a friend to layer hop etc. I just don't have any hope for nu-blizzard
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>>462321293
You have every right to believe what you do. Just not ingame. ;^)

You say that to me on the server and you will be banned. I say that's a fair trade. Try me.
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>>462320526
you have no idea what you're talking about
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>>462321348
So this tech has never been implemented but why would they even consider it in the first place? Instances/channels is one of the things that makes Korean grinders garbage.
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>>462309159
Play a different server. Get your cancerous sharding out
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>>462315520
Based. That will help tremendously for leveling my priest
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>>462321538
Ok retard. Point me to said animations.
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>>462320927
I knew I was a fool to have hope again
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>>462312176
Well that’s really all it is in real life too
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>>462321348
But it did happen, I can see it
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>>462321389
I guarantee I have a better idea than you
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>>462315520
Lol what kind of faggot plays an MMO ALONE
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>>462321740
Google retail wow animations you sped
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>>462321740
watch any video or stream on youtube. I know you cant tell that the animation looks different because you haven't played since BC (i.e more than 10 years). I've been playing the game off and on since 2004 and instantly noticed that the animations (for example, the orc axe swing or the priest smite illumination animation, both from retail/not vanilla-like)
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>>462321887
the webm is from the closing hour of the demo when everyone online decided to gather in one spot.

you would only notice sharding in the demo when you grouped with other people not in your shard generally. This type of sharding in the webm isn't in the current beta at all.
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>>462321740
He is lying the animations are the same.
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>>462306725
Ugly boring faggots?
>But anon, they aren't shilling, they rip on blizzard
They're shilling, fuck off with that shit
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>>462316067
You can tell it’s a great feature because the #1 defense for it is that it’s going to be removed lmao
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>>462322117
Yeah same as retail. There's been multiple animation updates over the years
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>>462302882
Months away and the retail cucks are already seething beyond belief, it's remarkable.
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>>462315706
>>462317443
>>462321228
Thats is the blizzcon demo
layering =/= sharding
no matter what blizzard does people will complain. What do you want to do wait 3 hours in queue on launch day?
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>>462321694
Its supposedly going to be used in the initial launch of the game to eliminate queues and to help reduce the amount of players in areas of the map so you wont have 200 players trying to get one quest done. I dont think it should be implemented past the first week personally but thats not looking to be the case.
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>>462322335
>layering =/= sharding
As far as that video goes, it's the EXACT same thing. Shut up if you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
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>>462322042
>I know you cant tell that the animation looks different because you haven't played since BC
No dipshit. I played Vanilla so fucking much that I would be able to pick up if anything looked different and nothing is different.
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>>462321478
Who the fuck cares about you piece of shit, you will play alliance in a goldshire-like server that is the containment for the mentally handicapped tragic person.
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>>462322213
Kek this
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>>462321931
I guarantee you don’t
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>>462322391
And that was from November. Seven months ago.
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>>462322391
>As far as that video goes
>A video from last year's hastily put together blizzcon demo
>not representative of the current version
>Unable to comprehend current updated information
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>>462322335
>no matter what blizzard does people will complain
People are right to complain. Noone asked for changes. Majority just want to play vanilla as it was back then.
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>>462322372
No, Fuck no. It shouldn't be implemented at all. Overcrowded launches are part of the fun and as annoying as they are, queues and overpopulated areas are good indications that a game's population is thriving.
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>>462322528
And you can't read.

>>462322543
Idiot who also can't read. "Layering" or whatever the fuck they want to call it does the exact same thing as the sharding we see in that video. Be in one instance, join someone's party, magically teleport to another instance. You are retarded.
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>>462322568
Yes I really enjoyed the instability, hacks, server crashes, and hour long queues muh true vanilla experience
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Can I resub to retail yet, or is it still not fun?
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>>462319890
I had my doubts...if they dont change this ill just leave
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>>462322528
That's irrelevant, this feature is identical in the context of the video. You can still hop to different shards or "layers" by having a friend invite you, or probably you can use an addon for it too.
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>>462321791
Honestly I don't have the heart to bully you further, blizzard tugged at your nostalgia and how much we all just want to go back, you have to accept that the past is the past as much as it hurts to move on, they fucked you
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>>462322421
ok bud. You asked for said examples and I just pointed to two said examples and you chose to ignore that. why dont you go find said examples on youtube and compare them side by side
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>>462322685
D-delete this post..
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>>462322042
>I know you cant tell that the animation looks different because you haven't played since BC

Why would a person that only played vanilla/tbc not be able to notice that the animations from that period aren't there
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>>462322685
Why not just go ahead and add flying for 1g on lvl 10 and lfr?
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>>462322685
You mean to imply server infrastucture has evolved since vanilla? Wow man, I'm sure there's no way to do an MMO launch without sharding!
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>>462323080
Honestly I can't think of a single big MMO that didn't have servers issue on launch.
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>>462323150
Exactly. But it's a whole lot less issues than back 15 years ago. So don't cripple the entire fucking game with this sharding BS for literally months. No one wants this garbage.
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Why are people saying stuff about infinite mana? What's going on now?
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>>462323363
At least as far as this current test seems to go, the 5 second rule isn't here and you just regen mana while casting.
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>>462322690
retail will never be fun
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>>462319771
yea one. good luck finding a group that will let you be the only one
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>>462322690
8.2 will probably help, but the game is dead at its core.
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>>462309147
They are way more abilities in EQ
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>>462322953
>why would someone forget something from 10 years ago

wow, really makes you think huh

try this retard: as I already directed you here >>462322785, find a video with a priest casting smite on a target from vanilla and from the wow classic beta. compare them side by side and tell me they are exactly the same
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>>462302962
Sharding, literally. Really exactly the same as it is in most MMOs.
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>>462322685
>Blizzard 2017 We are gonna re-make the game again from scratch
>Blizz 2018 fuck it we just throw 7.3.5 patch with some restrictions because we dont want to waste more money on this shit fuck u
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>>462323640
And what they should've done from the get go
>just release 1.12 client with 0 fucking changes and release a couple months after announcement
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>>462322372
>Wanting to make your world seem vastly less populated than it actually is.
But why, though?
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>>462323406
Classic is truly dead.
fucking sucks.
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>>462302962
it's like the channel system in maplestory except you cant choose yoru channel and you automatically go to your party leaders channel if you join a party
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they are LITERALLY not using vanilla code.

this is BFA but with all the non vanilla content cut out. this is why sharding is in, they can't get rid of it.

it also means all the vanilla gameplay/bugs are gone.
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>>462322785
>watch Orc stream
>overhead swing, backhand swing, backhand swing with stab
>all literally the same exact shit
I'm convinced you're just making shit up now.
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>>462307186
https://youtu.be/SwLjJH8LXfc?t=910

how come people who post 'ahahahaha' are always lying or retarded?
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>>462323406
>>462323363
it's clearly not intended. I would be very surprised if it wasn't fixed after this beta.
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>>462323998
They are using the source data from vanilla with modern infrastructure, blizzcon panel covered this
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>>462324054
lying Zoomers BTFO

BTFO
B
T
F
O
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>>462324214

vanilla had no sharding shit
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>>462323998
>this is why sharding is in, they can't get rid of it.
Retail RP servers have no sharding. Shut up you fucking retard.
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>>462324042
I already knew this response was coming. you think by saying "bro I saw this and I remember this, ur wrong" is proving a point? I told you to find a comparison side by side from vanilla and the demo. how much of a brainlet are you to not comprehend that

>inb4 'you find it' or 'i'm not wasting my time'
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Glad blizzard decided to DAB on Alex tier autists with some changes.

It'll be fun and truly comfy to game without them, though they'll most likely sub because their own addiction won't let them ignore the Ultimate Fresh
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>>462324304

RP?

so it's turned off cause of RP reasons, all other servers have CRZ shit.
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>>462324054
DELET THIS
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>>462307186
you going to respond to
>>462324054
or are you beaten and are going to slink away to another thread now?
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What server do I have to play on to avoid all the wojak posting copypasta spamming redditors?
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>>462324054
But in your video the mob is literally doing 3 damage
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look im not saying vanilla is perfect or anything but im gonna play a female undead warlock and have some fun like the good ol days at least. i hope you bros can get some enjoyment out of it as well
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>>462324749
please be my big titty goth gf
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>>462324576
But that video proves him right lol
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I forgot how slow classic combat was, holy shoot.
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>>462324696
that's okay; I'll explain it for you. That is vanilla. The poster was saying "hurr durr the mobs do 3 damage HAHAHAHA", the implication being that the scaling in Classic was not like Vanilla.

They do 3 damage in vanilla, too. Especially the caster mobs early on. Do you feel less retarded now?
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>>462324959
So vanilla, the thing in that video, is a BFA reskin? Are you saying Classic should not be like vanilla or something?
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>>462324959
it proves that "3 damage" IS vanilla. Did you eat lead paint or something?
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>>462324363
>THE ELBOW IS 5 PIXELS TO THE RIGHT! NOT BLIZZLIKE!!!!!!!!!
I'm going to laugh so fucking hard is Blizz ever comes out and says they didnt touch the animations and blow the fuck out of autists like you. Have sex, retard.
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>>462306454
Yeah with no spirit your mana regen was basically nonexistent which is why priest/mage and to a lesser extent warlock will be wanding things a lot. Lock gets around it with drain soul and life tap which is one of the big reasons why its one of the easiest classes to level.
Even things that seem miniscule like troll racial on a class with no self heal like a warrior help when you'll be running distances between quest objectives. Every little bit of regen counts.
But if they do get rid of it for classic I may honestly not roll warrior and instead play druid, there will be way too fucking many warriors if the mid leveling difficulty wall doesn't repel off enough of them
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>>462306874
LOL
>closets in teldrassil that respawn every 5 minutes with 200 people sitting ontop of it
Level in dwarf zones unless you want to kill yourself btw, or tauren if horde



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