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>John Carmack on why he quit games
Also what should I respond?
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AAA games are soulless garbage, who'd want to work on one?
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call him a cat murderer and block him
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well he's not wrong.
I wish I would ever get lucky to get in on shit that's early in development and isn't corrupted by the greedy hands of capitalism
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>>462254315
Today is literally the best point in history to date for that.
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>>462254426
no it isn't
or at least name something specific
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>>462254474
Literally what carmack is working on. VR.
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>>462254718
>not corrupted by capitalism
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sounds like a reasonable response desu
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>>462254116
He gave you a completely reasonable answer so you're better off saying thanks for answering. Then you get your ass to work and fix Blood: Fresh Supply.
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>>462254116
>what should i respond?

FUCK NIGGERS
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>>462254116
Tell him that I love him, and that those limitations are non-existent because devs stopped caring
The Vidya industry needs people like him
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>>462254116
>wojak avatar
peak cringe, dude
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>>462254315
>Muh capitalism boogeyman

Capitalism is literally the best thing that's happened to video games. Without it there wouldn't be a reason to make games that are actually worth playing.
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Cool
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>>462254116
Just thank him for his time. He gave a good response
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>>462254474
It's called "independent game development" anon.
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>tfw live in a time where making games is possible for a small group of people but not yet in a time where AI can code for, making single person game development easy as fuck
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>>462254847
>technology research is corrupted by capitalism
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>>462254116
ask if he's having a good day
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>>462255504
This. He was nice enough to respond honestly. Just say thanks for the insight and leave him alone.
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>>462254116
Ask if he would consider indie gaming
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What a nice man
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>>462254310
>cat murderer
????
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>>462255504
Yeah this
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Why couldn't DAIKATANA have been amazing?
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>>462255514
Which is entirely irrelevant to budding, uncorrupted technology. You're referring directly to a product; Carmack and that anon are referring to technology.
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>wojak avatar
BASED Wojak poster
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>>462256242
Because John Carmack and the boys didn't work on it.
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>>462254116
you're a hack and the most famous code attributed to you isn't even yours
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>>462255359
I bet you buy lootboxes by the hundreds.
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>>462254116
Make a new thread and we will write you a response, one word at a time.
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>>462254116
Ask him if twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/436012673243693056?lang=en is still true
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>>462254116
Maybe I shouldnt reply at all? If I just say 'thanks' he will get a notification and check that shit and see its a useless thanks?
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>>462256549
hes definitely more the poster man for id than the other members but it should be common knowledge that quick rsqrt isnt carmack's
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>>462256692
Showing appreciation is never worthless anon. Easy way to get people to like you is just to thank them
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>>462256692
Just say you appreciate him taking the time to respond to your question and wish him a nice day. It's not hard you sperg.
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>>462256656
>mobile has power and heat limitations, cannot make most usage of its hardware
>console does not have to deal with all the windows system calls and related overhead that a PC does
makes sense
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>>462255798
Ask would he come over to my place to smoke some bud n chill?
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Tell him that the time he choked that guy out was pretty sweet, thank him and then ask for dick pics.
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>>462256242
Technical limitations. He put his team on a death march during Quake 1's development, which led to Carmack forcing Romero to resign. Daikatana tried to live up to Romero's vision but thanks to limitation on technology, resources, AND time, it came out an unpolished, unfinished mess.
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>>462256801
I agree. He took the time to write you an honest response. Give him the respect of a thank you.
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>>462257073
This but ask for feet pics instead
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>>462257073
what guy?
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>>462257225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X68Mm_kYRjc
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I thought e-celeb threads weren't allowed anymore?
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>>462254116
what a moron, technology has regressed, yeah there is prettier lighting and textures, but what about all the other shit? gore, physics etc.
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>>462254116
What this really means is that games today are entirely about marketing. The budget of a AAA game is almost entirely marketing at this point. Whether the game is good or not has no impact on sales, it can only damage the company’s image for future games.
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>>462257360
>developer is eceleb
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>>462254116
>Modern game design is a management challenge, not a technology one
While I agree, tech innovation will always be important, but it's oing to be driven by boring nuts and bolts code efficiency or by engineers working for the big gfx card manufacturers
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>>462257318
more like Chadmack
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>>462257548
>games today are entirely about marketing
Games have ALWAYS been about marketing. It just seems more apparent because video games aren't a niche hobby anymore.
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How do we go back?
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>>462256925
What exactly should I write?
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>>462257932
>>462257893
lakehousemind
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>>462257893
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>>462257548
no retard. he says that games right now are more about design rather than technological aspects and he's no design guy.
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>>462257217
You footfags need to be put to death
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>>462257548
thats not what it means at all you mouthbreather

>>462257774
hes saying there isnt any room for tech innovation anymore, which is true, its been that way for 15 years, it'll stay that way until some new type of hardware is invented
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>>462257987
>What exactly should I write?
>say you appreciate him taking the time to respond to your question and wish him a nice day.
Holy shit you autist, the guy told you what to say right there in his post, can you fucking type?
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>>462255359
kill yourself yank
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>>462257840
Not really, developer reputation used to be a lot more important than it is now. I swear Activision, EA, Bethesda and Ubisoft make constant blunders and have blatantly anti-consumer policies but 20 IQ retards keep buying their shit regardless because the marketing worked. They stopped caring about keeping a loyal customer base and started subscribing to the “A sucker is born every minute” philosophy.
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>>462255359
I too am a refined loot box gambler.
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>>462254116
ask him what his thoughts are on the general censorship of sexualist female characters in gaming?
ask him if he considered games are and if games can be considered art if they are constantly censored by sony for political reasons
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Ask him if there is any reason he would come back to making games.
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>>462254116
Great response. Can't blame him for preferring to chase the VR tech instead of staying in some boring management position.
He could probably make for a decent teacher. He should clearly pass down his knowledge in some way.
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There is always room for technological innovation.
What he really means is that technology has reached the point where big publishers can easily shit out formulaic 30-60fps console games with no technological hurdles to overcome.

There are so many things games need that lay in unmade technology. Gamers have been asking for realistic fully destructible environments forever. Gamers have been asking for true massive multiplayer (not 64-128 player instances) forever. Gamers have been asking for high quality procedural generation forever. We're now at the point where advanced AI is being implemented into tons of consumer products, except not games for some reason. All of this stuff depends on code - physics, networking, etc. Good code is more important now than ever, but in the diversity hire age don't count on getting it.
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>>462258402
At least he still does talks at conferences.
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>>462256027
>During the early id years, Carmack had a cat named Mitzi from his stepfamily. He was very attached to his cat, to the point that his co-workers listed her on the company directory as his significant other. Sadly though, Carmack took her to the animal shelter when she peed all over his brand-new leather couch, where she was presumably put down.
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>>462254116
We've reached the point where people are annoyed when there isnt DLC for a game. kill me already
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>>462254116
Makes sense
While most of the people here will scream about the apocalypse incoming we have a lot of processing power, so his amazing work of obtimization he did during the doom days is not that needed anymore
Carmack Is a programming genius, one of my personal ispirations, but today you just need basic programming skills to make a successful/good videogame (see undertale)
Thank him
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>>462256692
Thank him for taking the time to respond. It's better than not saying anything at all. You can add some sort of praise for his work if you feel the need, like saying that you liked Doom or something more specific about his work if you're familiar with it.
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>>462254116
"Thanks for the great insight."
Then leave him be.
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Ask him if he's still cool wit romero and say thanks from us.
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>>462254116
Thank him for his service.
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>>462258821
They comment on each others tweets so I think so
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>>462258536
Yeah but I'd be curious to see how well he does as a teacher. He strikes me as a kinda of guy that if you would pass his class, it's a certification that you know your shit. Unlike so many programming courses out there.
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>>462254116
Dear
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>>462258471
>realistic fully destructible environments
mostly possible already, not done because the costs outweigh the benefits
>true massive multiplayer (not 64-128 player instances)
Entirely dependent on the network, nothing to do with the tech on the gamers end
>high quality procedural generation
that's art/game design not tech
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>>462257932
Support more indie devs.
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Top experts are usually awful teachers. Teaching is more about interfacing with the human than being groundbreaking in the material.
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>>462254116
Of course that's your profile pic.
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>>462258537
Based Carmack
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>>462259002
>mostly possible already, not done because the costs outweigh the benefits
If the costs outweigh the benefits, the technology is immature and needs advancement.

>Entirely dependent on the network, nothing to do with the tech
Simply wrong.

>that's art/game design not tech
Simply wrong.
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>>462258585
>so his amazing work of obtimization he did during the doom days is not that needed anymore
Arguably this is one of the current issues in gaming. For all the available tech, optimization is clearly not being properly implemented, considering how games need several gbs as Day one patches.
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>>462257987
“I, for one, truly appreciate you, John Carmack, taking the time to construct meaningful answers to the question I posed you regarding the subject you elaborated on, and would like to extend my sincerest thanks for doing so in this exchange, via this electronic message that I am sending you, and that you, hopefully, are currently reading.”
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>>462258537
Literally a pussy slayer
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>game technology is past the knee of the curve of cost/benefit
Yet you fags keep denying we've reached diminishing returns, lmao
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>>462259169
>considering how games need several gbs as Day one patches.
File size inflation is intentional. It's a crude anti-piracy measure, since for your average pirate, they will be able to download the game much quicker by official store compared to by p2p seed.
They don't even hide it. There's just shittons of filler in the code. They use gigantic uncompressed audio or video files that have no returns over compressed ones.
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>>462259319
It's a console exclusive. I think the real answer is just how the engine is and how their system is structured. They probably just don't care and when 1 thing is updated a million others need to be too
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>>462259459
>It's a console exclusive.
?????
We weren't talking about any specific game.
Are you ESL?
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>>462259141
nice arguments retard
you don't understand how any of those things work
if you want physics to be easier to simulate you need stronger hardware, it has nothing to do with software, software tech is making the impossible possible through optimization tricks, which is already possible for destructable environments, the cost just isn't worth the payoff
Technology isn't magic, you aren't going to make 2+2=5 if only you kept doing more research in a field
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>>462259319
>There's just shittons of filler in the code
Proof?
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>>462258537
There is nothing wrong with getting rid of an animal if you don't want it anymore. He sent it to a shelter. The shelter putting the cat down or not is not Carmack's responsibility.
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>>462258471
>realistic fully destructible environments forever.
I believe this mostly comes down to game design, not necessarily an issue with implementing it, since we've seen Red Faction Guerrila where just about everything is destructible in cool ways.
But it also means it's much more difficult to actually plan a game around it because you have to take into account whether the player destroyed a specific building or not. It's why Red Faction or Just Cause focus on more arcade concepts of "Destroy X to unlock main mission that involves a destroying a previously indestructible building"
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>>462259534
Are you fucking retarded?
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>462259534
>if you want physics to be easier to simulate you need stronger hardware,
Or better physics code. It's really simple.

I won't give you any more attention, sorry.
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>>462259297
...but that's exactly what he said
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>>462259514
Holy fuck I read day one patches as days gone patches. Sorry anon
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>>462259169
Believe it or not it's a management problem more than a technical problem
It means that the game was rushed, and lots of ugly code in need of refactoring is still there
If the deadline was more reasonable or the devs were more efficient (depends on the game, how could I know) the resould would have been more pleasent
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>>462259584
If you're rich and famous it's trivial to find a good home for the cat. He's a prick and I wouldn't trust someone so quick to turn on a "beloved" pet. Cat murderer is maybe a bit hyperbolic though.
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Why are games so homogeneous these day? I feel like I've played everything already and its all just the same stuff with a different coat of paint
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>>462255359
hey stupid. you are living in earth's sixth mass extinction event brought to you by capitalism. tell us again how great it is.
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>>462255538
That will legit never happen. You will have ai doing art before you have ai coding.
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>>462259780
You can't take risks when you're navigating a $100 million dollar boat.
Indie games though...
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>>462259319
I'd argue that's more of a bonus than a specific intent. I'm more likely to blame incompetence, specially since the average AAA game is divided among 5 different studios all around the world, plus any contract work from third parties, than an executive laughing about how the pirates will have to wait an extra hour for their pirated copy.
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>>462259670
No I'm a programmer and you're an idiot on a video game board trying to tell another programmer he's wrong about a field he worked in and you haven't

>>462259678
>Or better physics code.
not how it works
You can't keep improving something indefinitely
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>>462259780
Jews
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He's right. Carmack has loads of money now. He currently does things for the technical challenge. He likes to break new ground. There isn't a lot of room to break new ground in designing game engines anymore.

>Arguably this is one of the current issues in gaming. For all the available tech, optimization is clearly not being properly implemented
He is amazing at optimizing and modern game devs are clear absolute trash at it. He doesn't want to just be the guy who optimizes. He wants to invent new tech. Figuring out how to make games run in 3D is way more interesting than making games run a bit better.
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>>462259678
Goddamn retards don't understand that optimisation is a thing
You use the technology you have and make the best of it by finding more efficient ways

These days even developers just brute force shit with good hardware on the user end and don't fucking optimise anything or try to implement absolutely mad technology on exisiting hardware
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>>462259319
>they will be able to download the game much quicker by official store compared to by p2p seed.
lmao
torrents are way faster than steam. that argument never made sense.
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>>462259584
the guy is a fucking sociopath if he can toss a pet so easily for such a petty reason
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Should I be Software Developer or Data Analyst?
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>>462254116
>there are very few technical limitations for game development today
lulwut?
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>>462258993
NIGGER
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>>462259584
If you don't empathise with innocent animals you are sick filth and need to die as you are a guilty human.
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>>462259889
if he's so good at it, why can't others just copy him?
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>>462254116

>fucking boomer wojak avatar

jesus fucking christ
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>>462254116
Sad but legitimately fair response.
This is also why Valve has given up on vidya though considering they have all the money in the world and refuse to use it to fund anything consumers actually want makes their specific situation far more frustrating.
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>>462259998
He is right, there is little left to pioneer. Programmers used to have the meat of the work but now its writers and marketeers that have to do most. Making games is a rote thing now.
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>>462259908
Existing physics engines are very optimized already. They aren't going to get significantly better. If you think they are you don't understand the math behind them
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>>462260089
Based retard
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>>462259998
He's not wrong. Leaving graphics aside, you can do just about anything you want.
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>>462259728
>trivial
It's a blind geriatric cat that pisses everywhere
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>>462259721
I agree that with everything you said but you can also argue that since optimization takes a lot of time, if there was some bit of tech that streamlined the process, it could satisfy both the devs working on a deadline and the managers who force the deadline in the first place.
I'm speaking as someone without any knowledge of programming so take that as you will.
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>>462259868
>You can't keep improving something indefinitely
You can't convince anyone you're a dev when you say bullshit like this.
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>>462259780
all decisions are made by a board of directors following only what the marketing teams decide will look good in trailers
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John Carmack quit making games because he's too based for the game industry.
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>>462260092
You can't "just copy" genius.
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>>462259780
If you were in charge of a 200 million dollar budget, would you risk being artsy or interesting in any way or would you simple do what you know it's a guaranteed profit?
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>>462260159
I'm sorry I wasn't clear
I meant specifically in video gaimu
Rather than making the graphic card brute force all sorts of physics simulations it would be better to bake them on the developers end or programme some kind of stylized faux physics
And before you call me a retard I do 3DCG full-time so please don't
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>>462259868
>durr make 2+2=5
>I’m a progarmmur
Fuck off back to /dev/ larping faggot
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>>462255359
>Without it there wouldn't be a reason to make games
Single most popular game within the history of mankind was made under Communist rule.
in b4 "BUH-BUH-BUT IT WASN'T /REALLY/ POPULAR UNTIL CAPITALISM" goalpost moving
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>>462260089
have sex
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>>462259064
>sips
>Ahhh Quake, now THAT was a good game
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>>462258537
wtf I hate carmack now
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>>462257932

we can't
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Pretty solid response
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>I want a technical challenge
>THIS MUST MEAN HE THINKS MODERN GAMING IS BAD

Gaming is dying or getting worse. Some of you are just growing out of them. Either move on to new genres or a new hobby
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>>462260246
You don't know anything about technology if you believe otherwise
Software depends on hardware
You can only improve software up to a certain point until the hardware needs to improve
and we have hit hardware limits too, and we need to find new ways of making processors now to get processors to go significantly faster
If you don't understand the limitations of technology you've got your head in the clouds. If you don't believe me, believe John Carmack
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>>462259584
>there’s nothing wrong with dumping your animals at a shelter because you weren’t prepared to take care of it
Why do you think there are so many animals in shelters? People buy them without being prepared, which drives demand for the puppy mills and such to churn them out, and then they just dump them at a shelter because they didn’t expect the stupid fucking animal they bought to do stupid fucking animal things
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>>462254315
Carmack and co. were driving Ferraris after doom came out, you oblivious bitch.
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Is it bad idea to study software development if I only want to do it for the well paid job and have no actual interest in it?
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>>462259868
calm down carmack
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>>462254116
he's unironically right

the man doesn't wants to fall into the soulless market that is modern videogaming
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>>462260345
you can, unless you are some dumb 100 IQ nigger diversity hire
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>>462260381
Baking physics means the physics is non-interactive. That's not a solution
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>>462254116
basically confirming jewlords ruined vidya.
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>>462254116
This man is truly based
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>>462260623
He doesn't come off as the kind of person who really cares about games in the first place, he just wanted to make impressive technology.
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>>462257932
Indie devs. That's about it. Small studios that aren't run on making "statements" can still look like this. Well, not like this, this looks like a rich man's summer home but still.
Also who played the guitar at id? Romero?
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>>462260412
fucking kill yourself and your children if you have any commie faggot
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>>462260412
And the best game ever made was made under capitalism.
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>>462259983
boku no pico
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>>462260568
Money is good but if you hate your job that's not going to help.

You don't have to love your job but getting something that won't want to make you put a gun in your head 10 years from now.
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>>462260412
>Every death in the world is preventable with communism
Genius belief system you have their
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>>462254116
Apart from graphics, what gameplay isn't possible with todays hardware?
Literally nothing. Carmack got out because games are trash.
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>>462260773
Was it?
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>>462260559
there's one thing for the guy whose technology spawned an entire generation to be driving a sports car and another for the bigwig employing code monkeys to make da next cowadoody to be rolling in riches
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>>462260834
I want to make a game where you play as the semen director of an army. Your job is to manage in real time the cum level of all of your trillion soldiers, but modern hardware won't let me.
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>>462260639
t. dev with inflated ego
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>>462260830
I want well paid job though. My concern would be that i'm too brainlet to succeed in software development
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>>462260559
>Guy who actually developed the game gets to enjoy the spoils
>20 years later
>Guy who actually developed the game has to work unhealthy amounts of overtime while not being properly paid for it and can barely afford rent, while always having Demacles' sword hanging over him because the manager who doesn't even like games might want a new Ferrari
Sounds about right.
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>>462254116
Thank you Carmack, very cool
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>>462254116
suck his cock faggot
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>>462261098
if you think you are a brainlet then you probably are. choose an easier line of work. Because you dont want to bite off more than you can chew and end up burning out.
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>>462261098
Your desire to have a nice paycheck probably won't outweigh your desire to kill yourself when you're stumped by a problem for days on end for a job you don't care about.
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>>462261118
>demacles
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>>462260882
Indeed it was.
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>>462256406
He literally says "development."
If you want to develop technology, get into modding. Ta-da
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>>462261305
Damn it, I knew it looked weird. Damocles. Thanks for the correction.
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>>462259960
He actually is.
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>>462258537
>sticking a cat in a shelter is bad
>breaking and entering and stealing electronics is good
This is some niggerish society we got going on
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>>462261271
>if you think you are a brainlet then you probably are
Factually wrong. Competent people tend to underestimate themselves and overestimate the average person, while incompetent people believe themselves competent and underestimate how far ahead competent people are.
Dunning-Kruger
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>>462261271
>>462261279
But I currently work in recruitment and hate my life because work is so tedious and boring and pay is shit. I want better career.
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>>462261468
I don’t even know what it means desu, I just know the phrase from vidya
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>>462258537
cat was probably OLD and becoming incontinent. would be better to just put them down than get needlessly mad at an elderly animal every time they soiled themselves.
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>>462260762
>Communism bad
Who brought niggers to America to pick cotton? Capitalists.
Who brought curryniggers to America to take tech jobs? Capitalists.
Who hires illegals over citizens to minimize costs? Capitalists.
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>>462254116
k i wont say anything because i dont want to waste his time and i know how annoyed i get when someone thanks me for no reason
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>>462257932
>you will never experience the wonders of being a revolutionary gamedev, crunching out high quality content with your buddies at a fine-ass lakehouse
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>>462258537
>the hero was actually evil all along
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>>462261051
I'm not enough a loser to care about easy shit like being a code monkey, there is a reason why this place was reserved for wom*n in the past
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>>462261330
Yes, indeed it was.
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>>462259728
Shelters literally exist for you to dump unwanted animals so they can find them a home. Hin being rich is irrelevant.
>>462260089
>pissing on belongings
>innocent
Okay champ
>>462260547
And? He used a shelter as they were intended
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>>462254116
he's right
based carmack
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>>462261932
Anarcho capitalism is evil but so is all forms of socialism - from Anarcho communism to national socialism.
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>>462262016
>Sonic
>good
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>>462261932
Based Karl, telling it how it is
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>>462260412
Video game is objectively useless. Do you seriously think commie will waste resource on it? Also discounting the whole vidya industry with tetris is retarded. This is coming from someone who play tetris almost every night.
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>>462261639
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles
It's used as a metaphor for impending doom. You have a sword hanging over you without ever knowing when it's going to fall. In the comparison I was making, current devs in AAA never know if the manager/CEO will drop the sword on a whim.
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>>462261538
>But I currently work in recruitment and hate my life because work is so tedious and boring and pay is shit.
>Want to work at another tedious and boring job
>Thinking the pay will actually help
I know it's a bit of a corny trope that is constantly repeated but you really do need to find a balance between good pay and happiness, or the very least acceptance, when it comes to a career.
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>>462261932
>t. never lived in a comunnist country
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>>462261932
true, but the internationalist elements of communism are just as evil
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>>462260412
>capitalism is also fixing overpopulation
nice
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>>462255504
This.
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>>462262373
nobody cares, retard
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>>462262405
I'm fine with tedious and boring but only if I get paid lots which I dont in recruitment.
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>>462259960
>from his stepfamily
maybe it was an unwanted gift
it's a pretty dickish thing to throw a bunch of responsibilities on someone and call it a 'gift'
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>>462254116
Cliffy B was right
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>>462260213
And if my grampa had three balls they would call him "flipper"
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>>462261932
Who destroy their thousand years old culture to be replaced with all same brown drab?
Who let a single entity to be in control of entire population so a single fuck up ended up with massive famine?
Who form a society where social mobility is only possible by sucking party officers' dicks?
Who think that wrong think deserve to be sent to a camp?
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>>462263015
that's kinda funny
and fucked up
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>>462255504
>>462255504
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>>462262373
>According to the story, Damocles was pandering to Dionysius, his king, and exclaimed to him that Dionysius was truly fortunate as a great man of power and authority, surrounded by magnificence. In response, Dionysius offered to switch places with Damocles for one day so that Damocles could taste that very fortune firsthand. Damocles quickly and eagerly accepted the king's proposal. Damocles sat down in the king's throne surrounded by every luxury, but Dionysius, who had made many enemies during his reign, arranged that a huge sword should hang above the throne, held at the pommel only by a single hair of a horse's tail to evoke the sense of what it is like to be king: though having much fortune, always having to watch in fear and anxiety against dangers that might try to overtake him. Damocles finally begged the king that he be allowed to depart because he no longer wanted to be so fortunate, realizing that with great fortune and power comes also great danger
What a stupid fucking story.
>durr being a rich ruler is not enjoyable at all, I LITERALLY have a sword hanging on a hair above me, and there’s NOTHING I can do about it with my position and resources
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>>462263168
You missed the point of Damocles by a mile
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>>462254116
Well you could point out the horrible job that current game developers do at compressing data or let him know that the technical accomplishments of companies who can fit games on platforms thought impossible is still seen as an admirable achievement. The industry is becoming increasingly inefficient and any way to improve this is still valuable.
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>>462263168
>brainlets like this post here
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>>462259780
Because people continue to buy it instead of sending a message with their wallets
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>>462254315
>greedy hands of capitalism
kek, without capitalism there would be basically no video games at all
or consumer grade computers in general
or widely available Internet connection
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>>462263168
You're joking, right?
If Dionysius had simply switched places with Damocles for a day, then Damocles would've only gotten the positive side of being powerful. But being the king wasn't just that, it was the constant fear and threat of who might come after you.
Think of it as a CEO. You're in a position of power but you also know that anyone who also wants that power might be coming after you.
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>>462263601
>without capitalism there would be basically no video games at all
Largely untrue statement but not absolutely so
Even if it was true, that is entirely irrelevant to the point regardless.
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>>462263360
The “point” is literally unsubstantiated hyperbole that is never delivered on. It’s fucking retarded.
It’s like instead of having the boy who cried wolf get eaten by a wolf, you had the villagers tie him up and threaten to leave him in the woods covered in beef.
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>>462261118
>Guy works hard and earns his worth
>20 years later
>Guy does fuckall and complains about not being rich
show some hustle, commie
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>>462257932
gone forever
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>>462263736
>Largely untrue statement but not absolutely so
well I mean if you count crosswords on university machines a game, then yeah
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>>462261979
Ah, I see you're a superior NEET.
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>>462260761
yes
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>>462263681
>Think of it as a CEO. You're in a position of power but you also know that anyone who also wants that power might be coming after you.
>retards actually believe this
You never met a fucking CEO, let alone dealt with one professionally.
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>>462254116
Carmack was always the brains, Romero was always the manager/marketer. No wonder they hated each other, but the gaming world will never be the same until they team up again.
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Carmack is right. Management in Video Games Industry is the cause of all mental retardation and ruination.
You have a fucking team of developers who created a brand and proved their prowess by making it stick out among all others, you fucking retain them and pay them well instead of sacking/routing them and replacing them with mediocre hacks who never proved themselves. EA's sin.
You have a fucking team of developers who specialize in a gaming genre and have proven themselves in it, you don't fucking assign them to Assassins Sheet and Splinter Cock as a fucking support team, you keep supporting their strongest aspect in a niche with a loyal fanbase which spells certain money. Massive Entertainment and the sin of Ubisoft.
It's management failure after management failure.
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>>462263601
Without labor*
Capitalism didn't create.
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>>462261417
In what way is that relevant to what anyone else was saying? Yes, technology is developed. So?
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>>462261979
>code monkey,
>woman
what?
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>>462262456
Honestly, this. I'm polish, and have actually lived under communism. The younger people today have no idea what they're talking about, how awful the system works in practice. 1989 best year of my life.
If you don't believe me, idź obciągać jaruzelskiemu tempa pizdo
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>>462255359
> there wouldn't be a reason to make games that are actually worth playing
Has there been any in the past 15 years, though?
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>>462263957
Technically true, what it does is it enables labor to create anything of worth.
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>>462254116
Ask him if jet fuel can melt steel beams.
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A legendary human
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Bring back real time destruction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCDl43ihmuI
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>>462264038
it was considered a woman's job during boomer times
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>>462263849
correct, my friend
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>>462263957
Capitalism give purpose (money) and freedom.
Freedom to create useless shit as long as it makes money. Goddamn I fucking love freedom.
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He became irrelevant as a programmer the moment he split his autism with that rocket starting hobby.
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>>462254116
>there's no challenge guys
>INFINITE POSSIBILITIES
>30fps + dips for anything on PS4 that has more than 4 3d models on screen
What a fucking corporate bootlicker.
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>>462254116
he's right
but also there's only one more limitation video games need to overcome
player/npc density
its time to make full scale war games like Total War but in first/third person
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>>462264523
>NEET saying that one of the greatest minds in the software industry ain't all that
hmmm really makes you think
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>>462264625
>consoles
lmao they're intentionally gimped to lower the price. Enjoy your cuckbox
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>>462264752
he is all that, but software industry is for losers. that's like admiring a pig farmer or something
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>>462260412
Made by the communists and perfected by capitalists. They're practically irrelevant
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>>462263601
>I maken merie at your comments. Thou doth understandan thy fields of whete and walls of stone exist only by the grace of feudalism. Is but a fools erende to suggest there is but a better system than this.
>Unga bunga, tribal barter make rock, tribal barter make fire, no tribal barter mean no rock, no fire.
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>>462255359
>if it doesn't cost money then it's not worth anything
this is your mind of late stage capitalism.
also good job saving the same shitty wojak twice, you fucking retard
I assume those are the only two images you have at your disposal?
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>>462264965
good post
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>>462263739
It's the first time you have ever read any of those greek fags? For real anon, how the fuck did you finish high school without being told that greek theory is about language and nature?
Of course it doesn't make sense if you put it on a modern day scenario, like a CEO or AAA gaming. It shouldn't make sense, we are far from that way of thinking. It's a classical quote to reflect a classical scenario, do not take them literal, there could be 6 swords and 3 Damocles, one tranny and two midgets.
That's it, impending doom. People call themselves 'stoic' and makes little to no sense nowadays, since they don't shit in the woods and fuck blueberry bushes. It just makes you put things in perspective and force your peanut brain to foster an acient way of thinking to drag away modern philosophy to put you thought on another angle.
If you really want to apply it to modern day scenarios, read the fucking thing, not from Wikipedia, like the real thing. If you have time, even learn greek, half of meaning is lost in translation, though you should know that already.
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>>462261515

It's amazing how consistently the DK thing has turned out true in my worklife so far. The cocky and abrasive type (the folks you'd imagine to frequent places like this, really) always turn out to be mediocre at best, pleasant and modest people (not necessarily socially competent, just not shitting on people) actually perform better work in addition to being better for team dynamics.
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>>462264415
I thought women only got into coding in recent times?
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>>462259780
Mass market appeal. Same reason Hollywood is the same rehashed shit.
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>>462254315
He's completely wrong though, there's not "challenge" because nobody even tries to make games that do more than cinematic experience and QTE.
Why isnt all damage in monster hunter based on exact collisions of the models, that actually leave wounds? Why can't any war fps allow people to destroy every tree, every building, every props, and allow you to put things in fire or to dig holes? why do most mmo still rely on a roll dice for precision instead of a an actual collision? Why can't I actually do anything in a RPG except killing shit, retrieving shit and check dialog boxes?
And that's just game play, graphics are still overly dependent of super high quality textures and high poly with backed lights instead of allowing itself to have unique styles and non generic effect bought from a third party.
It's baffling someone who is supposed to have invented the fast square root could say that bullshit. What a fucking sell out fraud.
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>>462264965
>Unga bunga
There you have it folks, commies literally argue with "unga bunga"
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>>462263601
>ACKSHYUALLY
Capitalism being easily exploitable isn't a direct translation to "CAPITALISM BAD", you fucking inbred.
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>>462254116
how about fucking better compression methods and shit for a technological limitation so instead of these 10GB games with an extra 14GB of uncompressed audio files in 7 languages the game is instead 1GB
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>>462265118

Interestingly, women were fairly prevalent up in the early history of computing and declined from the 60s onwards.
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>>462265243
That's great anon! Proud of you!
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>>462265192
That kind of realism is a meme and always will be
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>>462260412
You mean the game that almost wasn’t released at all because of state interference?
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>>462265250
Storage and bandwith are problems solved in the first world anon.
They don't give a shit about that.
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>>462265250
That would be only relevant for third world countries so why waste effort?
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Tell him to go on the chimp Rogan experience.
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>>462265118
no, nowadays men are basically women, so women aren't needed anymore, boomer had too much testosterone just to sit and get fat behind a screen
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>>462260773
You mean tetris?
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>>462264931
It was already perfected. Capitalists just fucked it up with garbage like infinite t-spins, which broke the game both in single and multiplayer
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>>462265295
>>462265804
Weird. So were they paid shit or really well?
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>>462258537
Based. Fuckin cats, peein all over shit.
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>>462265945
women are shit, so they get paid what they are worth
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>>462266102
Well yeah but coders now get paid well so was just wondering if it was a poorly paid career back in those days
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>>462265945
Shit. Programming was seen as work that didn't require much intelligence or creativity. Men were basically ideas guys and thought that the real skill was in coming up with the ideas and idiot could then go on to implement it based on their instructions. Eventually it got through their skulls that programming required talent and they pushed all the women out.
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>>462258537
Post the Romero reply.
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>>462266364
It will always be a shitty paid career, the guy behind the wheel of a garbage truck has more income.
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>>462266364
I'm just kidding, I have no idea what they were paid
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>>462266531
What? I thought coders get paid really well?
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>>462254116
BATTLEAXE
BATTLEAXE
BATTLEAXE
and then block him
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>>462265572
you do know the internet across most of the usa is worse than actual third world countries right?
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>>462260089
is the cow in your burger a criminal of some sort?
fuck of with emphasizing with animals shit.

it's a pet, it served a purpose, it got old and he sent it to a shelter.

people send their elderly to old homes, how come sending animals to shelters considered bad?
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>>462266656
Maybe if you code the toilet for the next ISS, sure.
Most coders get paid jackshit, some even get robbed by the same guys that hire them, that's why they put 'easter eggs' and what it looks like irrelevancy in their code, a virtual signature.
Back in the day they got paid a bit more according to inflation, but bury this in your brain kiddo, garbage guy belongs to the union.
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>>462266656
The actual programmer, yes. Not code monkeys.
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>>462267206
What difference? I work in pharma so know nothing about programming.
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>>462259319
Uncompressed audio absolutely sounds better than compressed audio.

The only way you wouldn't notice is if you are using shitty tv speakers or 20$ pc shits.
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>>462254315
He's not entirely right either. There's no new technologies coming out at the pace they used to, but 95% of devs are struggling to figure out how to use the technology they have at their disposal already. John Literal Brain With Legs Carmack is still potentially a massive asset in modern game dev.
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>>462266879
Worse than 2 mb/s? Show me the numbers faggot.
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>>462254116
While hes correct you could also say that he is wrong, if he wants to innovate then there are a billion landscape changing pieces of tech he could invent for exclusively gaming

water and the elements in general are some of the most cruddy attempts at surface level "simulation" in games ATM, if carmack wants to put his head to work then he should "havok" the entire concept of the elements. Literally not a single game on the planet has anything even remotely resembling water that behaves like water
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>>462260213
It's usually the customers that force the deadlines. If you miss Christmas, or if you're aiming to release a good bit between two other major releases and not get swamped out but fuck up and release simultaneously with a Rockstar game, say goodbye to your sales.
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>>462262161
>2D Sonic
>not good
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>>462267337
Hello audiophile sunk-costs placebo retard. Have you affixed your $500 satchets of audiophile "signal clarifying" rocks?
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>>462267330
There is no difference, "programmers" think of themselves like some god gifted tech gods, when in reality are just autists with inflated egos. "Code monkeys" are chads that have enough brain power to do the same job, so the programmers get ass blasted that the chads can both program and slay mad pussy.
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>>462267532
Making fluid simulation faster is already an intensely well funded area of research.
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>>462267532
Fluid dynamics is a cunt.
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>>462254116
Pretty much why I love to still do shit in old engines. Limits just makes creativity peak.
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>>462267850
lmfao
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>>462260412
How much money did tetris' creator get? How many more games did he develop? Oh...
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>>462256553
>>462258274
>only games with loot boxes were developed for profit
lmao

Name one good game created by communism that isn't Tetris (which, by the way, was created by a guy who didn't even like communism and moved to America as soon as he could).
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>>462255359
Bro let me just
>add online drm
>add lootboxes
>remove modding
>remove half the game and resell it
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>>462261932
Who shat on niggers? Marx.
Who regarded curryniggers as good slave labor? Marx.
Who wants as many illegals as possible to maximize slave labor which would lead to Utopia? Marx.
Open up a book, cuck.
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>>462268514
No one is forcing you and other idiots to buy it though..
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>>462268420
Reminder that you share the board and the continent with this type of foes.
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>>462268250
He made a bunch of money from Tetris, after moving to America. It's funny how pinko faggot gamers treat the guy like some kind of communist hero when he couldn't wait to escape communism.
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>>462267850
>buy 80 dollar IEMs and $50 usb dac
>uncompressed music sounds a ton better than compressed
You dont have to spend a ton on money you just have to not be a retard. Which might NOT be possible in your case.
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>>462268614
You're right. I never buy games nowadays. I hope the industry burns so we can go back to a golden age.
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>>462268614
>just vote with your wallet bro
Because it perfectly worked for Anthem and F76 am I right amirite.
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>>462257932
which LP is that
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>>462267850
Bruh ive got budget pioneer speakers and a mid range yamaha amp and I can tell.

Not everyone is as autistic as an audiophile and not everyone is deaf like you.

Basically kys retard
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>>462268751
And? No one is forcing you to support any of those devs, just find devs that aren't scum and support those instead.
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>>462268514
oh I see. it's just a punching bag you assign everything bad to. none of those are implied by it.
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>>462268925
I do. Doesn't change the fact that more developers will be making half-assed products.
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>>462268751
>the only reason not to buy loot boxes is to "VoTe WiTh YoUr WaLLeT bRo"
Or, you know, you could just not buy loot boxes because... you don't want them.

I don't give a shit what affect my money has on the industry. I just buy what I want, which happens to be video games that are good. I don't need the industry to count my purchase as a vote for better video games. All of the big publishers, due to the purchasing power of idiots, produce only garbage starting tomorrow, and there would still be some independent developers making quality content. Even if all of those independent developers died tomorrow, there would still be enough games released between 1989 and 2019 to keep my entertained forever.

Vote with my wallet? Why should I do that? I avoid buying bad products because I personally don't enjoy them, not because I need them to stop existing. I don't care what the rest of you retards buy. Fund an infinite amount of garbage; I can still just not buy it.
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>>462255798
He's just into technological innovation. The last graphical jump was Crysis.
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>>462268925
Cuphead was the last big release outside the five compartment AAA orgy fest that is Zenimax and such.
You can't be so naive to really think there's an option. Even the chinks are on it, which shouldn't come as a surprise since they are always late to the party and point exactly where the guy fingering his sister is.
If chinks got a hand on it and you haven't figured out yet what's going on, you have another thing coming.
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>>462268870
>>462267337
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality
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>>462269839
>he only plays AAA
Yeah that's your problem, I haven't bought a single AAA game in years.
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>>462254116

There's no point talking to Carmack. He's a soulless psychopath. Good at his job, sure, but he doesn't have a single human emotion nor does he comprehend them.
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>>462269839
Except that Cuphead is an indie. It's self-published even in Microsoft Store.
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>>462270473
People like that arent safe to be around and should be imprisoned. If you dont feel compassion you arent safe to mix with society.
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>>462260761
Indie devs then wanted to push the tech and kick ass. Indie devs now want to do a self insert gay simulator
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>>462269524
>more developers will be making half-assed products.
And again, you can just not buy them.
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>>462270346
If you really believe that wallets do actually work in this day and age, you are high on something.
You didn't buy AAA in years and the market still exists, in fact, it's healthier than ever. How come? You wallet is worth crap for them.
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>>462254116
We Need to Start Makeing Games Technically Challenging Again!
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>>462270624
Those people still do not mingle with the general populace. They're harmless because they're 100% honest and predictable.
They're only dangerous to your feelings.
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>>462270769
I don't. Millions of retards will do though.
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>>462270845
What's left yet?
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>>462270921
So let them do it. Why do you care if retards waste their money? Because it will encourage the creation of more products which will cause retards to waste their money? If you don't care about retards wasting their money then it shouldn't bother you.
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>>462270810
This is literally (You).
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>>462270559
Exactly the point, the last big release, in years, outside the orgy fest of publishers.
It's a good thing, amazing, bought it for me and three copies for my friends.
Hope the devs bought some beer with my money, but to think that I'm actually making a change is beyond belief.
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>>462270810
It's not my problem that other people love to pay to get shit smeared on them. I still find tons of indie games enjoyable
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>>462270810
>If you really believe that wallets do actually work in this day and age
brainlet
>You didn't buy AAA in years and the market still exists, in fact, it's healthier than ever. How come? You wallet is worth crap for them.
This might be difficult for an autist to understand, but some people make their shopping decisions based on what they personally want, rather than as some futile attempt to change the world.

>durr durr bad games still exist
And I'm still not buying them.
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>>462260639
100 IQ is average, how does that make you dumb?
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>>462270624
so we should imprison 90% of r9k
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>>462270851
But they dont feel so could kill you at a seconds notice
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>>462271273
talk to an average person and you'll find out
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>>462271118
Indies can't be major releases.
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>>462271234
Keep moving the goal post. I'm sure this works on trying to get your psych to give you meds.
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>>462271361
Why would they?
Unless you're actually giving them a reason to, they won't even bother with you.
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>>462271359
>so we should imprison 90% of r9k
sounds good
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>>462271542
3 million copies isn't a major release?
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>>462271608
incels really are the most oppressed group on this planet
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>>462271569
>moving the goal post
>from "who cares? I don't buy AAA games" to "who cares? I don't buy AAA games"
brainlet
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>>462271729
Major sucess /= major release.
A major release requires physical releases and, more importantly, a huge marketing campaign.
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>>462270473
>He's a soulless psychopath. Good at his job, sure, but he doesn't have a single human emotion nor does he comprehend them.
You mean sociopath
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>>462272082
>A major release requires physical releases
Seems pretty arbitrary to me
>a huge marketing campaign
The word "huge", just like the word "major", is entirely relative and subjective.
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>>462260412
Alot of those deaths are in asian and african countries.. And alot of them socialist republics
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>more of a management challenge
Then maybe he should start an indie studio and pioneer a new gaming technology? I know he's doing VR but games have huge room for improvement with physics and AI.
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>>462254315
I challenge you to find a Twitter account of someone who works at a AAA studio who isn't an outright communist/marxist
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>>462254116
OP ASK HIM WHEN HE'LL BE ON THE JOE ROGAN PODCAST.
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Didn't Carmack meet his match in terms of his genius when he set up an aeronautics company just to fail miserably trying to get a rocket into space?
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>>462262086
He got it backwards, story isn't expected, but it is very important.
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I know this is a pretty cuck viewpoint, but it always amazes me that you can message these people and they'll respond.
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>>462267532
He's not correct. Games don't even have decent footprints effects, decent mirrors, decent physics that isn't gravity. It's a baren empty world with a potential nobody even want to explore because "muh generic shit sells better"
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>>462264839
your PC shouldn't require 2000+ dollars to run 3 3d models at 60 fps.
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>>462276476
gabe jewell once replied to me.
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>>462270629
Which is why I made that separation. Indie devs today aren't necessarily pushing the tech but they are pushing for mechanics or overall game design.
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>>462276831
you dont need that. you only need it when developers push graphics too hard for no real payoff.
thats not a technical problem thats a design decision. thats a design decision that will be a factor in a hundred years too. it doesnt matter how strong your PC is or how optimized the software is as long as developers think that pushing visuals is more important than framerate. its 100% on them.
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>retarded underaged western single mother cuckboys believing capitalism is bad when every other option is 100 magnifiable times worse
yikes
back to r*ddit niggers
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>>462254116
Thank him for the answer.
That's all you have to do.
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>>462276831
$2000 computers are a meme, it doesn't actually cost that much.
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>>462255359
>Games are now more focused on profits then creativity
>Developers crunch every single day because someone in a suit said so
>The entire EGS fiasco is motivated by greed
>now all consoles have added paid online and we almost had fucking DRM on one of them.
>Fucking GaaS and microtransactions exist
Best thing my ass.
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>>462265192
Except he didn't invent the fast square root. Even when it was first found out in the code, Carmack was quick to point out that he didn't. Especially when it was hinted in the comment itself with his "wtf" comment.
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>>462265192
>Why isnt all damage in monster hunter based on exact collisions of the models
because consistency trumps realism in videogames.
when capcom tried to make all hitboxes in SF4 align perfectly with the models everybody pointed out that it felt like shit.
diceroll combat is also a deliberate playstyle choice and not a bad thing you dumb faggot.
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>>462265956
Its far more likely that dogs would be doing that
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>>462254116
Graphics is the only thing that reached what he's mentioning, combat, AI, puzzles, secrets, level design, all of these things have stagnated for more than a decade just because the minimum work on them is "good enough", all these elements could be vastly improved.
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>>462254116
Has he talked about what it's like to be basically the only sole surviving post-palmer purge member of Oculus?
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>>462276714
That's... actually a good point.
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>>462254116
Modern game engines (unreal and unity) sucked all the soul out of video games. Along with face scanning, every game looks the fucking same.
Dont >> me.
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>>462254116
yes teams of 100s of people working togethehr is very streessful to manage
who would have thought
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>>462271039
and then there will be no decent games
capitalism wins again baby
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>>462285446
Issue is nowadays you don't need 100s of people working on a game. These companies are bloated with fucking idiots who don't add anything to the game. Thus the lack of TECHNOLOGY in newer games.
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>>462260412
Pac-man was made under communist rule?
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>>462261932
who got raped by their dad
MARX
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>>462274629
this
>muh capitalism is evil
then give me half of your money you babies, oh right, you wont
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>>462259848
Indie games are also 90% fartsy artsy hipster bullshit with 'muh retro pixel art'. The middle market has been dead since the late 00s. Even most of the games that could be classified as AA such as Technomancer are shit. I haven't heard of any middle market title being worth a squirt of piss these days.
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>>462260412
>All deaths from third world shitholes ruined by commies.
Lmfao.
https://youtu.be/41-dLH5YqeU
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>>462262086
Story in a shooter should only be there to give context in a game. If you spend more time with cutscenes or walking talking segments you should get back to the drawing board (I'm looking at you, Wolfenstein 2).



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