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>try to talk about PM series
>nobody cares about 64 and SPM
>everyone hates SS and CS except for a few retards, and if you try to complain about Miyamoto, the Miyamotofags show up
>can't talk about TTYD because of 64fags
This fucking series is beyond cursed, god damn.
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>>458681120
>nobody cares about 64
wrong, everyone loves it and most people accept ttyd since vivian is pretty hot
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>>458681120
I never enjoyed 64
I love TTYD the most
I hated SPM's gameplay but the story is the best in the series hand down
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>>458681120
Those games are over a decade old people ran out of things to talk about
If you want to try new things talk about possible new scenarios or fan games
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>>458681120
TTYD and 64 are both fantastic. SPM is alright too. Why do we need to argue about that?
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Thought ttyd was alright and a worthy sequel to 64 but it honestly doesn't live up to it's predecessor.
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64 is the only one I played and enjoyed, don't really feel like playing the others desu. In the end its just too much bing bing Wahoo for my taste
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With miyamotos influence waning, will we see a real paper mario again?
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>try to talk about SPM
>TTYDfags just shit on it
>try to talk about TTYD
>64fags shit on on
>try to talk about 64
>dead silence and dead threads
I know your pain OP, I just want to enjoy the first three PM games with everyone else here
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>>458681741
I take it you haven't been to any PM threads.

>>458681831
What you're saying is fine, even if I disagree with it. The ones I refer to are the 64fags coming in to say TTYD is shit, which is simply ridiculous.
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>>458682081
>SPMbros are the only innocent ones
At least things aren't as bad as what the few people that actually like Sticker Star have to go through.
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>>458681926
I know exactly how you feel, but ttyd and super feel the least 'Mario' out of all the Mario games that I've played. The reason i enjoy the two so much is because of how unique they feel, and how they don't follow most traditional Mario tropes
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>love the first three paper mario games, first two having played through multiple times
>meet girl at party and she mentions she's in a playthrough of TTYD
>hit it off really well, exchange snap
>eventually get her number, talking every day, hanging out when we can
>invite her to another lil shindig
>take her home, going well, hand on her thigh for the drive
>tell her im into her and if she'd be okay with me kissing her
>get rejected with excuses of her not knowing what she wants and she doesn't want to hurt me
>still talking to her
>she'll be coming over to play the n64 paper mario this week
man what the fuck am i even doing im only setting myself up for more disappointment
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>>458682826
There are Mario tropes?
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>>458683020
Yes
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>>458683020
Essentially the NSMB formula, grassland, desert, snow, jungle, volcano/castle, minimal story, etc
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>>458681831
It improved a lot of the mechanics, such as party members having their own health and gaining star power outside of praying. It had a great story, maybe even better than 64. It had a better villain. It had a plot twist. Partners were more diverse and unique and were all useful. Yet, it doesn't live up to its predecessor? It's a straight up upgrade. The only thing that bothered me was removing the spin attack outside of combat.
>>458681926
TTYD is a GREAT game. I really recommend you play it because it's a straight up upgrade of 64.
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>>458681120

Your only causing fire but blaming Miyamoto

Has he lost his touch? Yes
But he wasn’t at fault

I’m pretty sure everybody would’ve been fine with an actual Paper Mario game with proper gameplay with the only gimmick being Mario world but Tanabe’s a fucking retard

I’m going to keep posting this, Mario and Luigi Paper Jam had half of it’s cast as paper clones and it still had better variety than both Tanabe games
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>>458683198
Level design took a MASSIVE downgrade in TTYD. Agree with all other improvements though.
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>>458681120
>I AM SILLY
Why did you even make this thread?
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>>458682941
save up enough star power for Smooch
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>>458682941
haha videogames???
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>>458683195
Oh yeah, that got boring fast. But so did the M&L formula.
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>>458682081
>I know for a fact that these specific people are the ones replying each time
How? How do you know this? Is it because you're stupid? Yeah, I think it's definitely because you're a fucking moron.
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64 gets bonus points over TTYD for not making Bowser a fucking retard
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>>458683251
and there he is, and I haven't even attacked Miyamoto yet, fucking kek

>>458683351
welcome to /v/, if you want to start a thread successfuly, just use some controversy to start the fire, then keep it going whatever way you want
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>>458681120
super paper mario is a fantastic game
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>>458681926
I think a lot of the reason people like TTYD is it has less bing bing wahoo
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TTYD > SPM = 64 >>> CS > SS

This is the truth. You have been blessed.
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>>458683424

Oh please, that’s fucking horseshit and you know it, you guys want more traditional paper Mario games which is absolutely fine but saying that Mario and Luigi got boring and fast is clear bias

Fuck off with that bullshit
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>>458683501
>claim you want to have a good thread
>make a shitty thread on purpose
>I Was Merely Pretending.jpg
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>>458682941
Just act natural bro. Do not live acting like you want something with her, just want it and be natural. Be yourself around her. Let her know you; how you feel, how you talk, what you think about things in general. Act like she was a close friend and dont' be creepy. If she really likes you she will let you know. And if she doesn't show signs of wanting anything with you, it is better to have a good friendship than a failed relationship attempt.
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>>458683650
64 = TTYD > SPM > CS > SS
Quit being retarded.
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>>458683650
I'd place SPM below 64, definetly. SPM only really reaches the series' peak on chapter 4, specially with the mansion and the rubees factory stages.

>>458683687
It's working, fampay. Keep on complaining though, free bumps are part of what makes the thread successful.
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>>458683790
I am not being retarded. It is you who is being retarded.

I have posted the truth. You bring lies.
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>>458683474
???
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>>458683251
From what I heard the issue was that the people working on SS took Miyamoto's word too literally. He wanted to take a step back from Super and get things closer to how 64 and Mario RPG handled things. By the time Miyamoto came back he "allegedly" said that the game was too boring.

I can't remember where I heard this. It might have been in a video someone made about the whole ordeal. I'm going to try and find it.
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>>458683650
Switch SPM and 64 with TTYD
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Mario & Luigi >>>>>>>> Paper Mario
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>>458683662
The Mario and Luigi schtick is a little too by the numbers in recent games. I feel like both could shake things up a little and benefit from it.
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You know, I'm really beginning to think Miyamoto should stay the fuck away from Mario. If Odyssey is anything to go by, the series would be a lot more creative if not for Miyamoto's stagnant mindset consistently intervening.
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Unpopular opinion here: I don't find much issue with Miyamoto wanting the story to be simplified. The stories of Color Splash and Sticker Star weren't terrible, and you can tell the guy just wanted to avoid Mario becoming like Sonic, having stories that became too edgy and having too many familiars that clutter up the series. Granted, there was no need to completely rip out everything, but the games could've been passable otherwise.

What truly failed the games were their unoriginal gameplay that conflicted with itself, often resulting in awkward game mechanics and choices that would result in tedious, poorly made gameplay.
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>>458683650
>>458683790
I don't think it's fair to compare SPM with the other PM since it's far too different from them.
Either way it definitely is below TTYD and 64 and I'd narrowly put TTYD above 64.
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>>458682941
if you're enjoying the friendship, keep it that way
if you really want to hit it off, go out of your way to tell her about how you won't get hurt and that if she wants to break up it will be fine, and that if she's not into you then she can just be honest because, as you just said, you won't get hurt

having a great friend become a lover is a wonderful thing, worth risking the friendship, I'd say
provided you have more friends, I guess
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>>458683367
damn anon that's smooth
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>>458683501

>I haven’t attacked miyamoto yet

Nigga you wrote it in the OP
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>>458684123

>by the numbers in recent games

You mean the fucking remakes?
The last 2 games, Dream Team and Paper Jam are completely different from each other.
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>>458684382
>if you attack Miyamoto, Miyamotofags show up
please, PLEASE explain to me how this is an attack on Miyamoto
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What do you guys think about Bug Fable?
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>>458683892
AW NO! It's worse than I thought!
https://youtu.be/KOk2QxDIW6c?t=902 (Skip to 15:00)
Miyamoto is the one who got the ball rolling and the developers just kept making poor decisions after that. He really is partially responsible. Why would he give this new team advice like that and then leave them to their own devices without checking back in?!
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>>458683790
you're both missing the real point
switch SS with CS
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>>458684272
Was it too much to ask to keep the battle mechanics of 64 / TTYD and the partners? I don't care much for the story if the game has great gameplay and level design.
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>>458684531
vaporware/10
;_;
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Why exactly does everyone hate SS and CS?
Dante Must Die mode: don't mention the combat
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>>458684624
the combat
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>>458683297
It's not like paper mario was much better. Remember Chaper 4-7?
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>>458684724
Chapter 2 too. Fuck the desert
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>>458684624
pretty hard to not mention the entire playable fucking game
also no characters
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>>458684828
you’re the biggest faggot I’ve ever read words from
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>>458684559
>Not even 1% of players admitted to liking the story in Super
I call bull. Super has the best story by far. That game played me and my teen angst like a fiddle.
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>>458684616
>vaporware
but they post stuff frequently and the planned release date is july
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>>458684559
Or maybe it really was just boring when you actually played it and didn't just look at surface-level screenshots? You people fucking idolize the first two games to the point of discarding critical thinking entirely.
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>>458684886
How? Literally the only part of the game I have to use a guide to collect all the shit. A new player would assume you can clear all of the different tiles due to how the game distributes star points without the need for grinding, but it overwhelms you before you even clear half of it. The rooms themselves are just big and empty too- on the subject of level design, they suck.
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>>458681120
>turns townspeople into americans
>uses racial slurs in nearly every sentence
What was his endgame?
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>>458684624
Plain and simple, it's a reboot. None of the originality, characters, plotline, or setpieces are present, instead we are exposed to an entirely new Mario universe masquerading as a beloved series due to "paper" similarities. It's entirely disrespectful to the old series, but nobody on the development team seems to get that anymore.
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>>458685037
>a desert is big and empty and has secrets
wowww how was I supposed to know
this game is fuckin g bullshit dudde
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>>458684724
The only chapter I'd say is weak is the Flower Fields, because of the backtracking in linear paths. The character plots and the boss makes it better, though. Huff n' Puff is the first boss that will give you trouble if you just go bruteforcing your way through the game only using hammer and jump.
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>>458685037
the desert is literally a straight line and then only need to find the dry dry ruins which you have a pointer to, the rest of the stuff is optional
I agree with chapters 4 and 6 of 64 being kinda backtrack-y but at least it was only these chapters instead of almost all of them
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>>458684624
>Thing stickers were annoying and it got on my nerves when I used the wrong one
>You can run out of stickers
>Boss battles are just thing sticker puzzles
>Making the roulette a main gimmick was silly
>The crown chick is by far the worst partner from any Mario game -even rivaling Starlow
>Toads

On the plus side though -
>Dialogue was decent
>Areas were cool at times
>I really liked the variety of moves that could be performed during combat
Bowser not having any dialogue was proof of some sort of incompetence though.
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>>458681120
What's there even to discuss? It's objectionable truth that 64 is superior to TTYD. Only try hard contrarians disagree.
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>>458684559

Miyamoto didn’t say destroy the gameplay
He literally wanted the exp to stay but again another retard decision by Tanabe
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>>458684624
No memorable characters, locations were pretty boring too. Admittedly SPM had that second one, but at least it had characters whose names I can recall.

Meanwhile I can list at least 30 characters from both 64 and TTYD off the top of my head. You know why? Because despite maybe only having a few lines of dialogue, those lines were well written and expressed a lot of personality. Combined with the distinctive sprites, it lead to a cast that actually felt like it had been created with love and care.
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>>458681120
>nobody cares about 64
>can't talk about TTYD because of 64fags
How can there be 64fags if no one cares about it? Your post makes no sense and you just like to complain
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>>458685027
I'm not entirely sure if you meant to reply to me, but I have played the game... twice. I still hate it.
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>>458682941
No, nigga, you're actually halfway there. No chick goes to a man's home to "chill" and do something as pointless as playing a single fucking player game, get ready. The Friend Zone is not the blacklist, rather it's the first step towards conquest.
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>nobody cares about 64
you wish, TTYDtard
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>>458685735
Don't listen to him, Anon. Just play the damn game. She just wants to be friends. Don't turn this into something worse.
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>>458685163
>hurr durr retard strawman!
If you can't even prove why it isn't bad in the first place, then you're the one who's a faggot
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>>458683501
I must admit, it is Tanabe's fault. I remember reading the Iwata Asks ;_; for Sticker Star and Tanabe mentioned himself that he was the one who suggested every character be a generic Toad and that he wanted to make Sticker Star the templae for the future games in the series. I recall also feeling yellow bile rising from my gut.
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>>458685954
Do you think he regrets it? Color Splash was proof that they were doubling down, but I heard talk that they were wanting to go in a different direction with the series now.
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>>458685715
I was talking about the prototype of Sticker Star. You know, the same thing you were talking about.
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>>458685954

The line that will always piss me off

>I always wanted to get rid of the exp system

This right here is where the game went to shit
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>>458685057
>>turns townspeople into americans
underrated
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>>458685057
>N_gger
what did Nintendo mean by this?
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>>458685939
lmaoo it took you this long to come up with this weak ass reply? get fuckkeddd nerd
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>>458685796
Ah, there he is, the 64fag.
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>>458686307
>hhahah yoou took too loong! I wiin!
based retard
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>>458684272
>Stories that became too edgy
I never felt that TTYD went edgy, although it certainly was displaced in the mario universe, that's hardly a new thing. It's an RPG and RPGs are bound to their story by per definition of the genre, unles you make them a Wizardry-like dungeon crawler. And even those have strong plots most of the times.

The thing with the characters in Paper Mario games is that they're 1) re-imaginations of standard gneerics (bob-ombs, goombas, koopas, lakis, those spark things that move on the platforms, etc.) and 2) they're not recurring. They do not return for the next game, but rather are replaced by an entirely new cast, which is in my opinion the best way to handle the world because that way the entire setting in each game can be original while still offering a large cast of characters.
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It’s absolutely obvious the devs know about Paper Mario’s state, it’s now entirely based on who even wants to make the next Paper Mario game at this point.

Aka, whether Intelligent are still forcing their GOOD teams to only do Fire Emblem
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>>458682941
The worst thing that could happen from asking a girl out has happened bro

You can still play vidya with her if you want, but go out there find someone

What's the worse that could happen someone else says no?
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>>458685796
For real though, TTYD not having Speedy Spin is a fucking sin. It would have at least made the backtracking somewhat less annoying if you had fast movement.
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>>458686535
Only the few programmers left at IS knows, all other staff has been replaced by fresh grads
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>>458686147
>Color Splash was proof that they were doubling down
I doubt they were doubling down, It's most likely to think they started development soon after Sticker Star and got excited when that game got good sales, because they didn't consider SS sold well out of the knee-jerk reaction of carrying the Paper Mario brand.

Paper Mario has to be the most second hand game I've ever seen. I have a friend who owns a small second hand video game post in a mall and he told me that within 1 month of Sticker Star's release he was no longer accepting copies because he had so many of them already.
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>barely any pm64 related threads
>64fags get overwhelmed by TTYDfags
>64fags and TTYDfags still argue over which is better (soul vs soulless or some shit)
>SPMfags and TTYDfags in a constant debate over which is better and which set the series up for disaster
>everyone hates sticker star and the few ssfags who bought the game at full price have a right to seethe
>everyone hates color splash and the few csfags who bought the game at full price still seethe
>miyamoto and tanabe fucked up the direction paper mario has taken
>people will defend that
>fate of paper mario is unknown and it's either that they recapture the lightning in a bottle that the first entry had or they just say fuck it and completely kill it off

fucking hell i just want my soulful series back damnit
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>>458686535
No. Nintendo does not listen to their consumer base.

Furthermore the decline started at SPM. SPM wad always a bad game, but the retards who liked it now get to prop it up by beating down Sticker Star and Colo4 Splash. Pure revisionist history. And for what, really? To show how much of a unique snowflake you are for enjoying bad melodramatic fanfic in a Mario game?
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Might as well just post mines

TTYD>SPM=PM>CS>SS

BiS=DT>SSS=PJ>PiT
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>>458685796
I don't find backtracking to be a bad thing in TTYD because you have so much to do outside of the game story, so it's always good to take those opportunities to treasure hunt, revisit areas and sidequest.
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>>458686205
>Or maybe it really was just boring when you actually played it
I never said It wasn't boring
>and didn't just look at surface-level screenshots
Your sentence structuring is ass, Anon. People are going to get confused when you can't even wright a coherent sentence. Are you sure that you didn't hit your head?
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>>458686892
Just talk about the game and stop complaining.

What's your favorite boss in the series, for instance? Despite being easy, I always loved General Shy Guy.
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>>458682941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kpYm-6nuE
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>>458683474
cmon man we all know Bowser was retarded in the N64 game.
There was so much more he could have done with the star rod and he wasted it.
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>>458682091
is this an hd mockup or texture pack?
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>>458687389
This, people forget that kammy was the brains of the entire thing.
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>>458686872
If It wasn't for my love of the series I would have returned mine as well. I still remember when I popped that game in and slowly started to realize what I was in for. I think it was around the time you fight Kamek in the desert and he turns your stickers into sandals.

I used to go into every Nintendo game blind until I played Sticker Star.
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>>458687547
It's still weird that kamek is a dude.
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>>458687164
he was based
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>>458687748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cdNgezswM
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>>458681741
This
wtf are you talking about OP?


>>458682941
NOW WE TALKIN HOMEBOY HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*dabbin on dem normie probs*
You play your Mario game then wait for a moment and just for kiss, wtf did you do just asking lmao ma'am i find you attractive and would like to initiate intercourse with you, no read the mood and make the move, if the mood isnt there, as in no physical contact or staying away from physical contact then the mood isnt there and theres your answer and then who cares, you learned something and you got a little better at socializing
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>>458687503
the beginning of a project that never came to be
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>>458686892
>Paper Mario finally gets a stage in smash and it's Sticker Star
>Can't listen to the Rougeport remix on its own

>>458687164
General Guy is easily one of the best. I'd have to say that he's my favorite as well. I wish they would bring him back like they did with the Goomba King.
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>>458687976
just look at this very thread, my dood, we have a Miyamotofag defending Miyamoto from someone who hasn't even attacked him yet, and you also already have a 64fag shitting on TTYD
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>>458681120
Don't mind me, I'm just posting the best song in Paper Mario history - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOU1mZnDpbM
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>>458688120
You're right
They're dumb

>>458687748
Rawk hawk was fun i replayed his fight alot
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>>458682941
>asking to kiss someone
That shouldn't be a thing if you actually hit it off jabroni
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>>458688040
>>Paper Mario finally gets a stage in smash and it's Sticker Star
that's pure monkey paw material
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>>458681120
What was final boss theme that was a sad version of bowser theme?
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>>458688040
>I wish they would bring him back
I don't know. part of what makes him so good is the fact that he's so exclusive. I'd like to see him in a different game, though, like a boss in a 3D mario, Yoshi game or even 3D mario.
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>>458688024
of course
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>>458687824
10/10 It actually made me sad.
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Miyamoto is based and Paper Mario fags blame him for too much, while downplaying his importance to Nintendo and gaming in general
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>>458684529
Its an attack on Miyamoto and Miyamotofags you retard.
Either way, he's right, Miyamoto did nothing wrong, he's just an easy scapegoat
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>>458688427
I always felt as though Mario Party is a good series for those spin-off characters. I think that 8 used a few of them and 5 had the star spirits. It would add some much needed life for big Mario fans.
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>>458681120
>nobody cares about 64
64 is a classic.
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>>458688510
Miyamoto is a hack. He has never done anything past OoT. And even then he sat around telling others what to do. Tezuka did more for Mario. Aonuma did more for Zelda. But you're all manchildren who grew up taking IGN/Gamespot's words to heart whenever they kept idolizing him and making him out to be a Game God that shits out creativity.
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>>458687135
Jesus Christ, I meant "you" RHETORICALLY, not LITERALLY. Why are you STILL acting as if I'm talking about the final game? I was referring to anyone who played the prototype, like Miyamoto.

No fucking wonder people think the Paper Mario fanbase is so autistic.
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>>458681120
Fuck OP and fuck TTYD,
Paper Mario 64 is the shit
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>>458687748
I want to Rawk the Hawk.
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>>458688668
>Its an attack on Miyamoto and Miyamotofags you retard.
please explain, dissect the OP and show where it attacked Miyamoto
of course, you can't do that because you're flat out wrong, so I'll just watch you squirm trying to justify yourself

I was going to talk about the rest of your post, but you'd ignore what I just said and only try to say anything against the rest, so I'll just focus on this.
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>>458681120
It deserves it for replacing SMRPG
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Superstar Saga > PM 64
I don't really care for any of the others in either series, feels like they use up all their good ideas in the first game. Haven't played SMRPG enough to judge.

>>458684932
If I wanted to read embarrassing teen fiction I'd read your diary. It was probably just not what they expected from a Mario game.
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>>458688921
Not him and not involved but
>but you'd ignore what I just said and only try to say anything against the rest, so I'll just focus on this
Fuck these cunts, I've had two dumbfucks pull this shit on me past two days on here

Legitimately drink bleach, anyone that does this dumb shit
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>>458688798
Not him but the Pikmin series is great and that's his baby pretty much and has a lot of creativity. That series started past OOT.
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Miyamoto and Tanabe are both extremely arrogant and think they know what's best for the series.

They strip away all story, characters and gameplay which results in boring garbage like Sticker Shit and Color Shit. A fucking Japanese Club Nintendo survey on Super Paper Mario made them abandon stories.

Because the nu-Paper Mario games have rightfully sold like shit, Nintendo thinks the series is dead with fans (which is true), but they don't realize or can't admit that it's entirely Nintendo's fault.
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>>458686251
It's not like it can't be done right. Battle Network's chips do a really good job replacing experience points, for example. Of course, those don't disappear on use.

It's just completely unnecessary since the leveling system has never been a problem for Paper Mario. Star points scale really sharply to bring the player up or down to where they need to be for the next chapter. Everybody puts everything into BP anyway, which increases possibilities in battle instead of boring straight stat boosts. Everything just works.

Which is a surreal feeling since I fucking hate EXP on the whole. It's screwed up so many other games by padding out the action with inane grinding bullshit, and you usually can't even avoid it or the game becomes unplayable.
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>>458686526
>I never felt that TTYD went edgy
Way back when I played it, this was why I dropped it (I went back to finish it years later, though). To be fair, I was like 19 when the game came out, and I was going through that "HURRR, EVERYTHING MUST BE MUH NOSTALGIC FUNNNN!!" phase that the whole rest of the world seems to be going through now, so when I had story arcs about sailors' wives dying with no twist or joke in muh Mario, I just kind of dropped the controller in disgust. I'm due to give that game a replay from the beginning, I'd probably genuinely enjoy it now.
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>>458689091
It wasn't, but man do I unironically like it. I wish SPM was more well received. I get it though. It can be a little rough in some parts. I don't understand why Mario just HAD to be the only one who could flip in 3d. I just want to play as Bowser without having to switch every two seconds.
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>>458686439
Well, there's an artist I forgot existed
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>>458688427
Agree with this

Best way to bring back Paper Mario characters would, ironically enough, be in a way that doesn’t involve any dialog or real plot. Doing it like Goomba King/Goomboss in 64 DS is good, or just making some old partner characters playable in a sports or kart game.

Little references like Bow and Bootler in TTYD are fine too.

Mario and Peach and Bowser and those mainstays will always be in new games. But there’s something kinda nice about the stories of the ‘Paper Mario characters’ being contained and complete.
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>>458688143
Don't worry, no one's minding you.

Now folks, check out the best song in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTYnay4WYTI
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>>458689396
Oh come on, Bobbery is my favorite Paper Mario character. My 11 year old self would fight your 19 year old self.
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>>458689414
Because Mario is a basic bitch who must always be the most vanilla character in the game, so they make the game’s main gimmick exclusive to him to give the character’s playstyle the illusion of value.
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>>458686920
nice headcanon nigger
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>>458688912
based. his art sucks a lot of the time though.
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>>458682941
Quit being a fucking pussy and turn the charm on God damn if you can't slide while playing the greatest n64 Rpg you don't deserve to, fuck out of here
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I still find it funny that a fucking southpark spinoff RPG was a better Paper Mario game then the last 3 paper mario's
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>>458689784
>It's not thirty minutes
There's something magical about this theme. TTYD had a strange OST. It was so different from what 64 had to offer. In a way it kind of accentuated the fact that you were outside of the Mushroom Kingdom and in a totally different environment.

Just compare 64's snow level music to TTYD's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to6cVeHBxnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKzxYGIVkbI
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>>458689396
I get what you’re saying, but to me that scene didn’t feel over the top. I thought they handled it pretty sweetly and in pretty good taste, and like it was mostly there to emphasize the message of going on adventures and not letting yourself rot in the face of tragedy when putting yourself out there leads to something sad happening. I thought it was all thematically appropriate, is what I’m trying to say.

The scene where god and ladysatan greive over their dying child in SPM was fucking weird though, and I still consider that whole scene to have been wildly inappropriate and in poor taste. TTYD never once got close to that level of angst, thank god.
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>>458690095
Preach it.
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>they go back to 64/TTYD gameplay
>still suck with SS enemy designs
GIVE THEM BACK THEIR SHADES, YOU FUCKS
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>>458690628
>wildly inappropriate and in poor taste
Honestly that was one of my favorite parts of that game. I really enjoyed the fact that they'd try something so different in a Mario game. What makes Paper Mario so cool is being able to see all of those unique scenarios Mario can get himself into. SPM is definitely the edgiest Mario game of all time and I can appreciate that.
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Color Splash, while not as good as its predecessors, was still an enjoyable experience.
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>>458691170
I stopped playing when I died on the quiz. Does it get any better from there? I was kind of enjoying it up to that point, but not a whole lot.
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>>458681120
Paper Mario is dead. Now is the time for Paper Waluigi!
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>>458691374
for me the game had a consistent "actually pretty good" vibe from start to finish. never really had any ups or downs was just consistently enjoyable for me imo
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>>458691893
It really isn't a bad game by any means. I can accept that there are people who like Color Splash. I guess it's just the constant association with Sticker Star that turns me away from it. Some day I'll finish it, just not any time soon.
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>>458682941
You are unironically one of her beta orbiters.
Like the literal definition of one, have some fucking self respect and move on.
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>>458685796
>Posting the edit
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>>458681120
plot twist, nobody actually played thousand year door. it's another earthbound case.
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>>458691864
>implying you'll ever get a real game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75h_6RCvTxI
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Honestly I never liked 64. The writing isn't strong enough to make up for the extreme tedium that is the gameplay, and the partners are pretty lame. The ones in TTYD are extremes, which makes them more consistently entertaining.
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>>458691150
Can we make an edge counter for SPM? I played it so long ago I didn't realize how edgy some parts got. off the top of my head

>Luigi having a dark side that was part of the final boss
>One of the levels is literally hell
>you got to play in a world as it was being destoryed
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>>458685796
based

fuck ttydtards
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>>458684951
>gonna get hollow knight physical edition around late may/early june
>silk song as of yet undetermined future release
>remember bug fables bc of this thread

I'm ready for bugkino
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>>458693238
remember count bleck is literally an edgy teen that got upset that his girlfriend was killed and then decided to kill everyone else
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>>458681120
I've found the 64 and TTYD fans to be quite civil to eachother, even if they prefer one over the other. SPM is where everything starts breaking down.
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>>458693189
TTYD partners in general have way more dialog. PM parters will say something once or twice per chapter, not counting introductions. Whichever is better is really a matter of taste. I prefer TTYD’s battle system by a wide margin, but I’ve met people who prefer PM1’s more limited battle system and I can see where they’re coming from.

TTYD is one of the few perfect sequels in my mind because it builds so much upon the fundamentals of the first game, but is different enough that it doesn’t invalidate the first game.

Some people knock the level design compared to the first and honestly, I kind of agree (tough I think TTYD’s dungeon designs are leagues better than 1’s) but the game more than makes up for it in other areas.

I love both equally for different reasons. I really like that they’re different enough that people can like one but not the other, but that they also have enough in common where you can easily see how the second came out of the first’s systems.

>>458693238
I was the guy saying how in bad taste that one scene was, but most of SPM isn’t that edgy. Sure you go to hell but all the ghosts are just chilling and talking about how they died from silly vidya mechanics.

The tippy/bleck backstory is edgy I guess, and OChunks backstory too. It is the edgiest Mario game, I agree with you there. Being arguably the silliest does counterbalance it somewhat though.
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>>458693238
thinly veiled slavery in chapter 4
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>>458694923
Having to work out a debt you can't repay with manual labor was more of a jab to capitalism than anything else.
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>>458681120
>first two are great but came out over a decade ago
>series has been complete repugnant shit since then
>not even just ok or mediocre, but full on shit
easy to see why it's cursed.
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>>458687164
Doo_liss
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>>458683789
>be yourself
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>all my favorite series are dead
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>>458695167
>break a vase
>she claims it costs 1 million rubees
>makes you work on dangerous equipment to generate rubees and you can't leave without paying
>realistically you should be stuck for the longest fucking time producing those rubees
>for a fucking useless vase that was lying around, unprotected, is actually worth fucking nothing

>this is a jab at an economic system that revolves around voluntary trade
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>>458694923
The space chapter?
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>>458688921
You are implying you are going to shit on Miyamoto you faggot
You brought him up first
>Miyamotofags
You said it. I win. ;)
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>>458681120
SPM was great and I hold it to the same regard I do its predecessors.
SS and CS are dogshit though.
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>Knew about 64 and TTYD, never cared since I didn't own those consoles growing up
>Get a Wii
>Get SPM out of curiosity, completely enraptured by the story and characters
>Virtual Console releases 64, jump on that and see what I missed out on
>holyshit
>Find TTYD in a local game shop right after, let's see what all the hubbub is about
>pic_related
Never bothered with the rest. Love all three of the original games though, each of them is stellar in its own way. 64 just oozes charm in a lighthearted and fun way, TTYD just takes 64 and refines it to perfection, and then SPM gives a decent gameplay twist while making everything else incredible. Really wish they'd go back and try to make the games fun again.
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>>458694526
64 partners actually only have dialogue during the mayor murder, they say nothing outside of the chapter 7 dooplighost stuff
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>>458695864
I meant Mimi's, it's chapter 2 actually, my bad

>>458695930
>You are implying you are going to shit on Miyamoto you faggot
I haven't said anything bad about him in the OP. You made shit up in your mind. Either point out exactly what was said that is an attack on Miyamoto, or just stay quiet and stop embarassing yourself.
>You brought him up first
I mentioned that people often attack Miyamoto in PM threads, and that Miyamotofags come in to defend him.
>>Miyamotofags
What about them?
>You said it. I win. ;)
What? I said what that made you win? What are you even talking about? Are you trying to be confusing to save face? This is absolutely pathetic.
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>>458690505
TTYD'S OST is the best thing about the game and the best soundtrack in the Mario series
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>>458696135
>and if you try to complain about Miyamoto, the Miyamotofags show up
you said it, you implied the shitting on Miyamoto is warranted. You brought it up
Sorry. I win the argument ;)
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>>458695858
Weird looking Mimi

>>458696004
I remember one other dialog, when you get out of forever forest and see the ghost house for the first time. I think there’s also a line of dialog on one or two jr troopa encounters, and maybe one before the last boss fight.

But yeah, it’s less than once or twice per chapter. Really bare bones, which some love and some can’t stand. What I prefer just depends on my mood so I’m fine with it.

Interesting to think that they have barely more dialog than the pixls.
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>>458696001
>>458695935
>zoomers who's first PM was SPM defend SPM
every time. zoomers always are the ones with the most shit taste.
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>>458696382
>you said it, you implied the shitting on Miyamoto is warranted. You brought it up
I said that if Miyamoto is shat on, Miyamotofags show up, I never said it's warranted, you're making shit up and trying to put it in my mouth, you can fuck right off with that, never try to put words in my mouth
>Sorry. I win the argument ;)
absolutely seething, using emoticons on 4chan, and making shit up to save face
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>>458696658
I think SPM is mediocre as fuck but SPM defenders are a million times better than zoomer obsessed memeshitters like you
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>>458696658
>Zoomer
Nice buzzword. Here's your (you)
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>>458681225
fpbp
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>>458697101
>>458697160
it's great fun watching zoomers throw a tantrum
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>>458681225
Buenos Dias Vivian!
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>>458697905
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>>458686303
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>>458693238
the train chapter's name was a reference to an extremely edgy story by the marquis de sade
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>>458697784
>Goombario canonically hates Kooper
Just imagine Kooper doing this to Goombario in the game.
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>>458681120
I never got to play TTYD, but I still have the GC disc. How hard is it to get a game cube and is the game good enough to warrant the effort to get one again?
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>>458683851
Not every post bumps a thread
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>>458699745
The average price of a Wii with backwards compatibility with GCN discs is like $50 on a bad day. It's worth it if you can't or won't emulate.
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>>458683297
Couldn't disagree more. The levels were pure fucking soul.
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>>458700043
running back and forth during most chapters kills your soul in replays
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>>458700818
Twilight Town is one of my favorite levels when it comes to themes and general art direction, but man is it the absolute worst when it comes to backtracking.
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>>458682941
Women literally never know what they want. If you ask about it then you are demanding she immediately figure out what she wants, which won't happen, so she will just go with the most expedient solution and back away. Fucked if I know what you're supposed to do instead, grab her by the pussy? Whatever it is, don't fucking ask.
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>Good Paper Mario games
64
TTYD
>I know it's a meme phrase but this is a completely divorced puzzle-platformer
Super
>trash
the rest
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>>458684932
Remember how you all shit on Treehouse? Guess who gave us the better scripts for the first 3 Paper Mario Games. The JP scripts are boring and generic.
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>>458701947
We're shitting on modern Treehouse. Old Treehouse was great, they gave the first two Animal Crossing games the best dialogue in the series.
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>>458682941
>asking if she'd be okay with you kissing her
That's where you fucked up, anon. You should have just waited for the right moment and gone for it. Asking permission for something as simple as a kiss is a huge turn-off for women, they want a man to be decisive and make the first move wordlessly.
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>>458702181
Yeah, sure. Hey, Anon - just take this guys advice. I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong!
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>>458702362
It's not like I'm telling the guy to go kiss random girls out of nowhere. There's nothing that will kill the mood more than asking permission for a kiss, just fucking go for it if you're feeling it.
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Sticker Star is mediocre as hell, but not "trash". It has some nice stuff like the ghost house, Sniffit or Whiff It, and some neat boss puzzles, plus good music. Color Splash is actually decent with more unique and interesting moments, plus more humor. They aren't near as good as the other 3, but SS is the only one I would tell anyone they could skip.
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>>458702635
>Generalizing what all women are turned off by
Imagine being this retarded
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>>458681120
still love the original Paper Mario
really need to replay it again
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>>458699446
What? I don’t remember that at all. What single throwaway line of dialog are you talking about anon?
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>>458702909
There are plenty of women who have been taught to say they want to be dominant in a relationship, but deep down every woman wants the man to take the lead and is turned off by submissive men who ask permission for something as simple as a damn kiss.
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>>458703159
t. sex expert from /v/
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>>458702635
Have you even kissed a woman before? Maybe she legitimately just wants to be friends. If he jumps on her without any second thought then he's going to put both of them in a bad situation. Not to mention he'll be labeled a sexual predator.

>>458703159
You ARE a fucking virgin, I knew it. Shut up incel.
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>>458697820
IMBECIL
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>>458703045
If you tattle on Kooper's double Goombario hints at having some disdain for him. It's implied that Goombario got jealous when Kooper barged in on his adventure with Mario.
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The fact that we never get to see what Bleck's waifu looks like in her human form will bother me until the day I die.
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>>458681702
>If you want to try new things talk about possible new scenarios or fan games
Feel free to point them out then
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>>458703765
All that matters is that they're happy now.
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>>458681120
The fuck are you on about,
Everyone knows, 64 and TTYD are the best
Super is fun for the on par writing despite the gameplay departure and Sticker and Color are a pox upon mankind
Next thread
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>>458703765
But the real best girl already exists, Anon.
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>>458703419
>If he jumps on her without any second thought then he's going to put both of them in a bad situation.
How do you get this from "He should have just tried to kiss her when the time was right"? Yeah obviously he shouldn't "jump on her" what the fuck is wrong with you? And of course he shouldn't try to kiss her NOW, because he blew it already. I'm just letting him know the mistake he made so he can correct it in the future with other girls.

>You ARE a fucking virgin, I knew it. Shut up incel.
I'm not a virgin or an incel. I'm just not afraid of women. The fact that you think you'll be labeled a sexual predator for trying to kiss a woman after a fucking date is really telling.
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Everyone talks about TTYD and it's awful backtracking. Well, I'm playing 64 right now and people always seem to forget about the Shy Guy Toy Box.
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>>458704596
There's a difference between being afraid and being respectful. It's not about fear or metoo or any of that garbage.
The idea that all women want to be dominated is largely just a shitty outdated porn trope.
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>>458704658
I brought that up in a previous thread once, most seemed to brush it off. But I agree with you 100%. Flower Fields is a similar situation.

Still love both those chapters.
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Ive never played paper Mario 64 but i love ttyd. One of these days i will play 64 bit any tips? I remember in ttyd it made more sense to only level up badge points. Is that true in 64?
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>>458704658
>back track out of the level a few times vs backtracking across the world and like 3 chapters
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>>458704932
>>458704596
What are your favorite Paper Mario boss battles
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>>458705153
I respect the attempt. I guess I'll go with Cortez. He seems like a cool guy.
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TTYD is pure soul
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>>458704932
>The idea that all women want to be dominated is largely just a shitty outdated porn trope.
Pretty much this.
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>>458704932
>There's a difference between being afraid and being respectful.
You can be respectful without actually asking permission verbally, though. You can pick up on physical cues and feel out the right moment. You act like I'm suggesting it be done blindly like some kind of autist, but I'm not.
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>>458706031
>>458705526
My favorite Paper Mario boss is Crystal King
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>>458706346
Ice king SUCKS

>>458706031
RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>458681741
Because /v/ and 4chan in general are obsessed with ranking things because that's the only type of discussion they're capable of.
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>>458706552
Only one thing can be good if it isn't the best thing it fucking sucks
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>>458706886
They're all good for their own reasons as far as I'm concerned.
>64 makes the best use of Mario's world and characters
>TTYD makes some liberties with its characters, but does so in an engaging way.
>SPM has my favorite story of the bunch
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>>458706346
His battle music is fucking spectacular, and honestly he's really fun to fight. Good taste, my man.
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>>458681120
People love 64 but nobody ever seems to want to talk about it besides some obligatory hate against Flower Fields. I haven't played TTYD so I feel like an outcast in Paper Mario threads.
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>>458709302
You gotta form your opinion on TTYD 'cause some people look past the flaws and consider it the best game of all time, but I wouldn't replay it even if you paid me. Two playthroughs (one 100%) were enough.
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>yfw TTYDfags can't cope when they realize their shitty backtracking simulator was shat on by everyone else that wasn't a hardcore Mario fan

>yfw TTYD literally rehashes themes and setpieces from 64, while 64 remains with better level and overworld design
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>>458709302
if your computer is even slightly adequate there's nothing stopping you from playing it and SPM
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>>458709302
Gamecube emulators run on toasters for what it’s worth. Highly recommend trying.

But PM is great too. Hate to be that guy but if you want discussion on a certain game you kinda have to be the one to start it. If bot by starting a thread, then by leaning discussion into the subject you want to talk about.

Honestly I really like Flower Fields myself. I get what some people have against it but I think it’s a really neat way to shake up the formula. Most previous chapters have ‘route - town - route - dungeon’ as the standard formula, with increasingly more complex and difficult sequences. Toybox experiments quite a bit and sorta avoids that typical sequence but there’s a decent chunk of the chapter’s prologue where you’re just figuring out how to get to the real level in toad town. Lavalava Island sorta goes back to the normal formula but the town’s trouble involves that huge overworld dungeon that is the jungle, then with flower fields that whole typical structure is just gone. In a certain sense it’s far more straight to the point and straight to the action than other chapters. It’s layout is really unique too, even if it does have some backtracking (which isn’t that bad, honestly). Plus being in another dimension is neat and opens the game’s ‘world’ a ton.

>>458709619
I replayed it all the time as a kid but the large amount of dialog stops me from going back more than anything. That and also the fact that I played it so much I practically have the game memorized. If you ever decide to give it another run, 10hp doublepain badge is a way to make a playthrough immensely fun.
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>>458710236
when will we get a 64 remake but with TTYD combat/partner improvements?
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Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxr5B0qZ8i0
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>>458684624
They know they have better level design, puzzles and CS has a better script and scenarios. So TTYD fans attack it as a defensive measure much like how they try and attack PM64 via flowerfield to astroturf the backtracking of TTYD.
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>>458712825
>Oh hey Mario rmeember how we're paper and you kill people? Also we Toads don;t respect you at all despite saving our ass and we'll glady cockblock you at every opportunity

Yeah great writing
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>>458712771
Definitely worth a play, but could use some improvements. It's been abandoned, though.
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>>458713097
Oh I see your mistake you've got Paper Mario Color Splash mixed up with some delusion you've made up to protect your sacred cow.
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>>458681120
>nobody cares about 64 and SPM
Bitch they are the only 2 games from the paper series that matter.
While super has good story the game sucks.
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>>458684624
Because the card system is horrible, everyone hates it.
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>>458713549
>card
Sticker, whatever.
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Everyone stfu and post jams

OST, remixes, whatever.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtME9KYsLrE



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