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Has there ever been a larger disconnect between the fans and developers?
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It's kind of insane to me that game series are becoming so old that children who grew up with them are going on to design for them.
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>>450465482
Modern pokemon has lots of problems but monster design isn't one of em
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>>450465707
How wrong can one person be?
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It's literally Magneton but with bolts instead of magnets.
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>>450465707
Lmao
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>>450465482
Meltan and Melmetal are actually good, concise designs with a simple concept that was well executed, but not very gen1-like at all, really
you may not like it, but you can't deny that ferrofluid + nuts is a good idea for the design, specially considering all the bullshit that they come together to evolve
too bad we don't get to see them with Sugimori's watercolor style
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gen 1 had some of the most boring pokemon. the only people that actually like gen 1 are nostalgia fags
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>>450466314
>you may not like it
OP, here.I actually DO like the design of Melmetal (mostly due to that metallic sheen coating its body), but it looks absolutely nothing like a G1 design in the least. Maybe G5 at best, or G7 Ultra Beast at worst, but definitely not RBY design.
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You really couldn't have cherry picked better than that, good job.
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>>450465482
...who gives a shit about this?
why?

There's so many problems with pokemon, meltan is not an important one
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>>450465482
>muh gen 1 pokemons were better designed!!

Take those fucking nostalgia goggles off you fucking utter retard.

Muk was literally just slime
Ditto was a shit fucking design too
Exeggcute was fucking eggs for christ sake
Voltorb and Electrode was the laziest designs ever.
Oddish was literally just a fucking bulb with some legs
Magnemite was literally some fucking magnets with an eye
What the fuck was the Design idea behind Jynx too.

You fucking genwunners are legit the fucking worst and you act like all the designs after your shitty 151 are dogshit.
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>>450465985
Reminder that Magnemite is one of the most popular Gen 1 pokemon, and it's not even shilled. Melmetal is merely the product of this.
Kaijucucks and literal animalfags need not apply.
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Meltan/Melmetal do look like Gen 1-esque designs though.

>>450465707
Modern Pokemon designs are consistently the most nausating, disguting garbage. That being said, they are still miles better than Yokai Watch, Final Fantasy and Xenoblade.
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>>450465482
are they hiring 5 year olds to make nu-pokemon designs? they are so fucking BAD. first tiger man and now this shit? how are they so untalented compared to nidoking?
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>>450467032

Things dont have to be convoluted to be good you zoomin retard
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>>450465482
lel that thing is anything but basic. That is in fact a large disconnect. It would be as absurd as me saying /v/ favorite game is Gone Home. It makes no sense so much so that it seems insulting actually. Have no idea what that gook shit is talking about there with that nut pokemon.
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>>450467187
Why is Arceus so high?
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>>450467032
DELET THIS! I played the first game for 2 hours and watched at least 20 episodes of the original series in my local language. I am a true fan not like those fags that play all the games. Gamefreak should rerelease first gen over and over again. I'll never buy it but at least justice will be made Fucking genwunners, if gen 8 will be like LETS GO i will personally send an email to Matsuda
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>>450465707
Melmetal's certainly not great (mostly due to the head, it would look fine on a 2D sprite but the model looks goddawful, like it's clipping), but yeah, the monsters in 7 had a ton of great designs.
Shame about the lack of replayability.
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>Your nut pokemon is shit!
>Well these pokemon were based off shit designs too
>F-F-FUCKING ZOOMER

Well I guess it's expected of /v/ the buzzword capital of 4chan.
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>>450467032
OP here once again. Pic related are my top 10 favorite Pokemon designs, bro. You need to chillax, my nigga. And also stop jumping to assumptions. Fact of the matter is Meltan and Melmetal don't even remotely resemble G1 design philosophies. That's what this thread is about, not G1 designs being "better" than newer ones.
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>>450465974
The ultra beasts from gen 7 are some of the dopest designs they’ve put out in years.
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>>450467587
was for >>450467423
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>>450467606
>Meloetta
>Breloom
my man
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>>450467606
>espeon and flygon
patrician
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>>450467440
japs arent obsessed with KANTOOOOOOOO
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>>450465482
KKKKAAAANNNNTTTOOOOOO
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>>450467606
>Design philosophies

Nigga before you jump on the "pokemon were designed around animals" shit look at the pokemons I just listed and tell me where in the wild you would see animals like that.

Jesus fuck.
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>>450467653
this, love the aliens
Wish they elaborated more on their homeworlds in the game. We only even know Poipole/Naganadel's at all from the anime.
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>>450467440
Because the poll influenced which Pokémon would be in the next event giveaway. That’s why there are so many legendaries. I think there was something else wonky about the poll that explained why something as random as Arbok was in there, but I don’t remember what.
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Which are worse, OTniggers(They caused Disney Wars to be made) or Genwunners(The reason gamefreak released garbage like PGO and LGE/P?)
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>>450465482
I wish we could get a game with the watercolor style of the gen1 art.
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All gens have a large mixture of designs

Worthless thread
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>>450467440
literally the almighty god of the Pokemon universe
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>>450467187
Magnemite is a memepick in Japan due to being an easy way to farm points for the online stuff in Black 2/White 2 early on due to having Magnet Pull and showing up right after the first gym. It's the japanese equivalent of Steveposting for Smash.
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>>450468108
>worthless thread

That's /v/ in a nutshell
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>>450465482

It's a fucking Magnemite Ditto. Masuda is right here. You just don't like it because it's related to mobage garbage.
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>>450467920
tfw just caught a 4IV Nihilego
gonna reset for 5IVs because I don't want to grind to 100 just to bottlecap one stat
I love the UBs because they actually have a lore reason to not look like Pokemon
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>>>/vp/
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>>450468395
>not just using pkhex

What is wrong with you?
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>>450467187
Magnemite is still used in the COIL, even though it's not as big as in gen 5. Festival Plaza also benefits from trading, although WT is more prominent.
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perfection was achieved in second gen
Gliscor is okay too, it's a worthy battle evolution, but it just isn't as overall appealing as Gligar design-wise.
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>>450467986
Ah cool thank you that makes sense because i know that a lot of people try to avoid legendary pokemon as there favorite usually.
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>>450468395
Just use the Plaza's shops to raise the level high then to 100 w/ calling chanseys.
Anyway yeah same here, although I don't think all of them necessarily look not like Pokemon.
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>>450467440
Because the winner of that poll received an event giveaway. Kids could vote on their TVs or something as well so those who didn’t know you could scroll just picked a random alphabetically first Pokemon as well, which is why shit like Archeops is higher up.

Magnemite was memed into popularity by the nips after mass trading during B2W2’s Join Avenue heyday.
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>>450468446
Yeah most gen 1 designs are very bland and uninspired.
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>>450468395

That doesn't stop people from hating Klefki
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>>450465482
Am I reading this image macro right?
>We wanted it to be more simple
>shows Nidoking as the consumer prospective, implying that gen 1 mons weren't just simple
>but then everyone bitches and moans at every gen including and after 4 for being too overdesigned and not simple enough.
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>>450468446
Wait what NO
DELET THIS
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>>450468483
I have a living dex almost complete that's 100% legit. I don't cheat at Pokemon because it removes half the fun of hunting and collecting for me. I still have a 16 year old Lv100 Blaziken from my original run of Ruby that I always transfer to the newest game, it's dumb but the games have a lot of sentimental value to me and just hacking in mons ruins it for me.

If you want to cheat then by all means do so, nothing wrong with doing that, but I don't personally want to.
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>>450465482
Melmetal is thoroughly mediocre, but it could be the best design in the series and it wouldn't matter, because it's locked behind a crappy phone game and even after that, it requires timegated grinding and is only in a game that has the 151 otherwise. Might as well not exist.
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>>450468446
You want... realistic... Pokemon?
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>>450467915
Not all G1 designs need to be based off of animals. But they need to have an overall cohesive, organic aesthetic. Even mechanical Pokes like Magneton look natural in terms of design due to the way magnets stick to one another irl. Newer mechanical designs have convoluted joints and articulation to make them appear anatomically functional while also appearing (to detractors) as "overdesigned". There exists a very clear delineation in how G1 Pokemon appeared more natural and holistic to the more manufactured aesthetic of Gens 3-7.
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>>450468446
NO NO NO YOU WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO POST THIS NOOOOOOO
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>>450469048
I'm not talking about hacking in a pokemon, just hack the stats of the pokemon you already caught. EV and IV shit is gay as fuck. Especially IVs.
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Did someone mention magnets?
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>>450468446
I can't not see Zapdos as a yellow chicken after noticing his fucking drumstick legs.
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>>450468648
Nihilego is a perfect example of a brand new design that actually possesses G1's organic-looking aesthetic.
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>>450465482
Nothing out of Masuda's mouth is sincere.
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reminder that objectmon are kino
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>>450469423
You think Zapdos looks like a chicken?
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what went wrong bros
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Muk is unironically one of my top favorite pokemon. It is definitely my favorite poison type pokemon. I do not get the hate for it. Anyone else here love my nigga Muk?
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>>450467292
fire/fighting
endlessly
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>>450468446
Draw the bird, the dragon and the bat on the left from memory.
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>>450468446
here's your pokemon
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>>450469359
IVs and EVs don't even matter now except a few Pokemon like Stakataka.
Hell, EVs can literally be automatically applied without you doing anything but sticking them in a little daycare for a while.
The issue is natures. A bad nature can ruin a flawless IV, fully EV trained, egg move Pokemon, and it's wholly unchangeable
It also much more important than any one IV, which just adds to the issue.
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>>450468446
>realistic
>realistic
>realistic

You keep using that word, it doesn't mean what you think it does.
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a fucking pokeball with eyes
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>>450465482
nut is based
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>>450469597
>Geodude
kek
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>>450469604

Alolan Muk awakened my love for it. Koffing and Weezing will always remain my poison bros. Peak Pokemon design from concept to design in a way that a lot of others even in Gen I don't live up to. Fuck yeah Dogars.
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>>450469604
Muk is legit, I like his Alolan version a little better though.
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>>450469604
I like the oil spill Alola form better, he was a fucking unit in my Moon playthrough.
It's a shame that game had to suck so bad, I'd love to replay it but the idea of having to sit through all those cutscenes again just isn't worth it.
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>>450467187
Holy shit. I was not aware that Meloetta was that fucking high. This gives me hope, anon.
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>>450469359
UBs and Tapus have 3 perfect IVs anyway and EV shit is easy to do. I've never bothered with IVs before but I figured I'd try here because it's easier to get good IVs on these, and you can't just breed for stats.

Also I already spent ages getting a Timid Synchronizer so I'm not gonna turn around and cheat now.
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>>450465985
Yes, and that's why it's awful.
You do something once and it's creative and interesting.
You crank out the exact same concept 20 years and fucking 7 generations worth of games later and big surprise, now it's shit, lazy and boring.
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>>450469883
a fucking purple rat
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>genwunners

what's sadder, adults that still play pokemon, or adults that still complain about a game they don't even play anymore
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>even the creators of pokemon admit the newer gens are overdesigned garbage(LITERALLY)
>zoomers still have no argument except screaming "genwunn" over and over
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>>450469597
>what went wrong bros
Unironically the artstyle. There is nothing wrong with the design of the newer pokeymans.
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>>450465671
And other people of the same age have achieved nothing more than whining about those games on the internet.
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>>450467187
>Magnemite
>Arbok
>Armaldo
>Archeops
Finally, something done by nips that actually shows decent taste.
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>>450465482
>its another objectmon hate thread episode
This is really tiresome, fuck off.
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But there's nothing wrong with Melmetal. He's a great and fun addition. If a little too much on the strong side...

Also, Melmetal is totally adorable.
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>>450469469
The whole "glass jellyfish" with aspects of aliens that latch on like in horror movies (i.e. a facehugger, although not on the face) is a neat dynamic, although I was more talking about Kartana.
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>>450467292
>top: actual monsters with animalistic designs
>bottom: somebody's furry OC

How did this happen?
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>>450469365
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>>450469868
Yeah, fuck natures too.

>tfw you get a speedy special attacker that has fucking a brave nature

Literally why not just hack it to give it the perfect nature, IV and EV spread. You're gonna waste time doing that shit in game anyway, you might as well save time by not constantly resetting or grinding and dealing with breeding shit.

And before any of you fags say anything tedium is not equal to difficulty.
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>>450470323
You should really lurk first and read my responses, dude. Nothing wrong with objectmon in the slightest: >>450466667 >>450469185
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>>450470556
>REEEEE! I DON'T LIKE MECHANICS THAT SERVE TO MAKE POKEMON MORE UNIQUE AND ADD FLAVOR WITH A USEFUL GAMEPLAY TWIST! GAMEFREAK PLEASE HAND ME EVERYTHING!!!

It's ironic that THIS is the person complaining about what's wrong with Pokemon, all he needs to do is look in a mirror
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>>450468648
Shame Festival Plaza is such a piece of shit compared to Join Avenue, I maxed it out but I've since run out of coins since it had to have it's own special currency instead of money.
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>>450470556
Mostly because I don't play competitive, but for people who do I support injecting, not even just stat modding. Going through the hassle of natures is basically gating all the fun of the game behind it to compfags. I don't do that though.
It's still a bummer when sync fails on a shiny though.
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>>450467032
If they didn't have a single valuable or creative idea to add to the game after generation 1, they should have ended it there.
It's not that Gen 1 is so incredible or anything, it's just that Gen 1 is the only version that had any kind of creative spark put into it or did anything interesting or valuable. Ever since then they've just been cranking out pointless sequels, each one slightly more creatively bankrupt and bland than the last. None of them have any reason to exist other than to milk the franchise further into the ground.
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>>450469583
>CHICKEN ARISE
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Every generation has had good and bad Pokémon deigns, the problem is with literally every thing else. Ever since X and Y the series has felt less and less engaging, and more and more dumbed down and simplified. Sometimes it feels like X and Y or Sun and Moon would rather play themselves than let you play, and the gameplay is less satisfying when you actually get to play.
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>>450469604
I like his Alolan form. I should breed a shiny of it.
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>>450470871
You mean PSS? I have a few hundred hours in Moon but never fucked with Festival Plaza even once. I didn't think it was similar to Join Avenue, I thought Pokepelago was more along Join Avenue's line
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>>450465482
I don't see why that nut pokemon is bad. It's really not far off from Magnamite
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>still giving a shit about pokemon
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>>450469365
sauce? asking for a friend
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>>450470309
>archeops
>armaldo
>arbok
Bro, thosevgot votes solely because they're alphabetically first on the list.
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>>450469469
Kinda sad they never took the whole "UBs looking like characters" thing anywhere. Going into SM I thought that would have been relevant.
Only related thing is Lusamine merging with Nihilego which could be seen as some symbolism about her and Lillie, I guess?
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>>450469597
Lemme hit you with the biggest truth bomb to ever ever be let unleashed upon this fucking dumb as shit board, so put on your eyedrops and fucking read.

Pokemons fanbase is exclusively boomers, exclusively kids and exclusively autistic individuals. I do not mean meme autistic, I mean socialy awkward, unaware, stuttering autismos who can barely function in a natural enviorement.

The game system for pokemon is so fucking basic you can emulate it perfectly fine if you make it yourself, even adding on a ton of complexity, but even in its absurdly unbalanced state, people manage to make seasons where they number crunch shit to the point of insanity and making absolute meta teams for a game literaly targeted at, made for and ultimately designed for children. Fucking perfect breeding and repeateadly doing the same endless shit for a few +1 stats and a better nature just to beat some random kid or fellow low funtioning autist in a "tournament".

What went wrong? Pokemon was never that amazing to fucking begin with anon, we all know this. The music was great, sure, the cutesy shit was real nice and the mood was endearing but thats EVERYTHING pokemon is, because a complex rpg with tactical depth it sure as fuck isnt.

Nostalgia, fapbait, mass appeal and autism is what "ruined" pokemon, and its exactly what the fanbase is made out of. The only people to ruin Pokemon are Pokemon fans.

Fuck Niggers and Fuck Nintendo. Lopunny a best.
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>>450467187
I'm certain the list of pokémon for this poll was alphabetically ordered and a lot of people didn't bother scrolling.
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>>450467187
>the only fighting types on the list are furshit and my little pony

Feels bad man
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>>450471048
They just threw random shit across the two and made everything generally worse. PSS was so good in comparison. Only good thing about Pokepelago is that you can very occasionally get Golden Bottlecaps.
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>>450471106
See: >>450469185
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>>450470871
anon you replied to
It's super easy to get coins in USUM, which I'm assuming you're using if you're hunting Nihilego and such. Join Avenue is by far my favorite non-battle content in the series, it's a shame FP feels like a cheap knockoff.
Still, the Rare Kitchens are really the only coin intensive things and you should probably have enough to level with it. If you don't, the Chansey/Blissey chaining should suffice, just use a lucky egg and an exp roto power.
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Can we all agree X/Y were the worst games in the series
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Faggots like you are the reason why GameFreak gave up on actual effort in their games all because of Burgerlandfags not wanting to accept change and fucking ruining the good nature of Kanto.
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>>450465482
Honestly why do they not just hire Kazuma Kaneko to design Pokémon?

Nigga's been designing good looking monsters longer than Pokémon has even existed.
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I don't really like pokemon much anymore but I love the ultrabeasts and all of their designs. I hope they are expanded upon in future titles.
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>>450471327
What? Pokepelago is the shit, my dude.

>Golden bottlecaps, infinite evo stones, nigga whatcha want
>Passive EV/level training while I'm at work
>Literally infinity berries
>Free wild pokemon, some exclusive
>Beans for Refresh without having to play Amie's god-awful minigames

And I don't even know what USUM brought to the table. Join Avenue is really awesome, I will say that, but my favorite non-battle content in B2W2 is actually Pokestar Studios

>>450471461
The bitter, hard truth is that the worst games are R/S, thank god Emerald came along to fix all that
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>>450470774
Have fun wasting hours away crafting the perfect poke while every single competitive player hacks one in 10 minutes.
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>>450471205
I agree with you but you could have worded and spaced your post so it doesn't sound like a ben shapiro fan wrote it
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>>450465707
modern pokemon designs are like modern everything else in that they're designed to achieve maximum exposure and praise during the first few weeks then everyone mostly forgets them.

looking back at the release of sun and moon you would be under the impression that rowlet was going to be one of the most iconic visual designs of all time and now you almost never see any mention of it
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>>450471461
They were basically just the tech demo for making the games 3D with an actual game tacked-on afterwards.
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>>450471645
I didn't say hacking is bad, I didn't say you shouldn't do it, and I've done it myself. You are still a retard for complaining about the process, as if it's that difficult. Not to mention immensely satisfying to earn it on your own...
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>>450471048
No I mean Festival Plaza. It was meant to be the return of Join Avenue since it was so well received and made Magnemite a meme but they cocked it up hard in typical GF fashion.

>Custom currency that can only be gained through other players so gaining it is dead after a month or two where as Join Avenue just used money
>Not enough spots for every shop type like Join Avenue
>No way to level shops up, you have to hope the RNG gods that spit out a 5-star version of the one you want.

>>450471436
>It's super easy to get coins in USUM

Only for the first few months, the battle agency died pretty fast and you're not winning the latter half of the grades with only the one properly leveled Pokemon.
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>>450469652
Are you trying to make a point that if you can't draw something from memory it's a bad design because if so that's the most pants-on-head retarded thing I've ever heard
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>>450471804
>wasting countless hours away resetting, grinding, and doing breeding shit just to get a pokemon with the perfect IV, EV, Nature and Moveset
>satisfying

Maybe if you have autism.
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>>450471637
USM just tweeked Pelago. The experience gain from the training island got boosted at level 3 and the shard gain for treasure hunting was increased. The tree was also tweeked so that you get a gold bottle cap for a 50+ streak instead of an ability capsule.

Here's hoping gen 8 tweeks gold caps so you can opt out of raising a stat/lower it instead.
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>>450465482
the nut has to many colors to be considered gen 1ish
gen 1 designs are defined by just having like 2 colors except a few exceptions like Venasaur
this nigga has 3
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why is ruby/sapphire/emerald so comfy lads?
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>>450467187

>Greninja #1
>All those legendaries because WOAH STRONK!
>No Krookodile

how do I delete other peoples opinions
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GF does not give a shit about pokemon
neither should you
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>>450471327
Pelago is excellent, it's maximum convenience all packaged into one little thing.
>free egg hatching for 18 at once
>free EV training for 18 pokemon at once
>passive income source and items
>all the beans you need
>trade fodder pokemon
>berries without watering them
>>450471849
I can't see myself running out of the ones from competitions, but the main thing is that the people you complete requests for tend to give out a lot more than in SM, as well as more for saying hello to the people you WT with.
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>1 new pokemon
>it isn't made of ferrofluid or have some kind of connection to it
One job.
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>>450471985
>IT'S TOO HARD FOR ME!! NOBODY ELSE CAN ENJOY IT!!!!!!!!! GAMEFREAK MAKE IT EASY SO I CAN DO IT TOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

okay buddy
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>>450472113
Because all the worst parts are at the beginning or the end and the middle of the game is the longest part
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>>450472076
Just use Silver caps for that, I get you want a special attacker with 0 Attack or something but it won't kill you to only max its SpA/HP/Spe
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>>450471148
>>450471284
Are they even named the same in Japanese?
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Fearow, Seviper and Krookodile are my 3 favorite pokemon.

r8
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>>450465482
The thing is, though, GameFreak isn't thinking "the handful of kaijumons" when they think Gen 1 Design Philosophy unlike most genwunners, they think "the alien-like monster designs common across most Pokemon" when they think Gen 1 Design Philosophy.
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>>450469979
I like Alolan Muk too.
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>>450472392
>Silver bottle caps

I don't even know why I said that. I meant just the normal ones. I guess non-gold = silver these days.

>>450472428
Some Pokemon are the same, almost all legendaries are. Off the top of my head the Kanto birbs are the only ones who have different names in Japanese. My nigga Absol is also the same in Japanese.

For what it's worth, all three of those have Japanese names starting with ア so yes, it'd show up first alphabetically.
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>>450471205
This.
Pokemon was never meant to be hardcore difficulty serious business.
Incidentally, XY are the best games.
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>>450471804
Breeding is not fun in any way, shape, or form.
It's literally just running back and forth for an age, not even having a battle like grinding the level. It's less satisfying and fun than anything else, and I say this as someone who has hatched thousands of eggs over the course of breeding a shiny egg move Wimpod and a Dream Ball Nincada.
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>>450472392
I do use silver caps, it's just annoying using 5 of those instead of the pile of gold caps I'm sitting on from the battle tree. I'd rather use the silver caps to fix shinies or for hidden powers that allow mostly perfect stats like Ice.
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>>450472643
Pretty sure it's supposed to look like oily water
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>>450472268
>that
>hard

It's easy, but doing easy things over and over again is not fun. It's tedious.

And it's not like i'm talking about hacking in perfect pokes to play the singleplayer, any pokemon is usable in singleplayer.

It's the multiplayer that makes hacking necessary, since everyone else does it. You're not proving anything by wasting countless hours of your time crafting the "perfect" pokemon team, nobody is impressed. You're not proving anything except for the fact that you have no life.
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>>450472718
>I don't think it's fun, therefore nobody else is allowed to think that way

I do find breeding to be the worst part of the process, but these days you almost don't have to bother with it, golden caps aren't that hard to get with patience and Egg moves don't take long to pass down unless you are doing some absurdly hard chain.

>>450472721
You can get golds from the Tree? This is a USUM thing I take it? I have got to stop living in the past, I love Moon and all but no tutors is really busting my balls here.
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>people still complain about the monster designs
>but never voice the issues of the gameplay itself
No wonder GameFreak got lazy, you stupid fucks been arguing about this shit for decades now.
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>>450467292
>Venusaur
Badass amphibian-like plant monster
>Blastoise
Badass kaiju turtle w/fucking water blasters
>Charizard
lmao dragon
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>>450472914
>oily water
Imagine how uncreative you have to be to create such shitty concept
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>zoomers cherry picking the absolute best designs from nu-pokemon because they cant admit the overall designs have gotten worse
SEETHING
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>>450473007
>You can get golds from the Tree? This is a USUM thing I take it? I have got to stop living in the past, I love Moon and all but no tutors is really busting my balls here.

Yes via streak awards in USM. Base versions give you an ability capsule for getting 50+ but Ultra swapped it out for a gold cap.
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>>450469652
try to draw Fearow from memory
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>frog poster is a retard
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>>450473038
We can't do shit to fix the gameplay until GameFreak is forced to learn how to program AI that isn't just "use move that does the highest damage on the enemy" or "use move at random", but that'll never happen because of casuals and children.
You could give the opponent a Pokemon with 255 in all base stats and a +6 boost to everything and it'd still go down effortlessly because the AI's a fucking moron who can be exploited very easily.
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>>450472976
Different strokes for different folks. There is satisfaction in working hard to obtain a perfect pogey. You don't think that way, which is fine, I am certain it is because you are a child spoiled by every other game handing you instant gratification.

The hacking argument is a little bit like saying steroids in baseball is okay because everyone else does it, but heck, I do it too. Of course everyone does it there, but then again, simulators have existed for a long time. I promise you nobody in this thread goes to Nintendo tournaments...

>>450473153
So how do you get ability capsule now? I'm drowning in them in Moon here.
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>>450472140
No one wants a Krookodile from a free event giveaway, you can catch Sandiles in many places.
Greninja is there because of the anime.
The legends are there because people wanted them as the giftmon, previously in such polled giveaways Rayquaza and Arceus won (Gen 5).
>>450473007
Where the fuck did I ever say that you had to think that way and you weren't allowed to you fucking sperg? I said I didn't find it fun because it's literally doing nothing, I didn't say jack shit about caps or egg moves. I like caps and as for egg moves those only suck when you find a wild shiny.
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>>450468446
>Dicklet
Kek.
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>>450473325
I like doing it. That fact seems to have you absolutely foaming at the mouth, for some reason I don't quite grasp. You seem to be the type who hasn't grown up enough to accept that other people have different opinions about things.
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>>450465974

as that post showed, very
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>>450465482
Remember when the internet burned Genwunners at the stake and not had their metaphorical dicks sucked? Good times man, good times.
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>>450473265
>So how do you get ability capsule now? I'm drowning in them in Moon here.

You buy them at the Battle Royal.
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>>450465707
this
Art direction (as art style) got weaker, but designs (of the pokémon if anything) themselves are alright. Melmetal isn't particolarly good though.
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>>450469365
>Just mashing the keyboard and messing with the lever
>Motherboard autodestruct enabled

What in tarnation
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>>450472718
The problem with breeding is exactly what you said but I want to add something. Mainly that most of it entails RNG manipulation so involved that it's basically its own game within a game. And the game doesn't awful job of explaining the rules. Meaning you are basically mandated to look up a guide to get it done in a reasonable amount of time if you are just learning. And even when you learn it that's still hours spent grinding eggs until you get the right one. I should know because I've done this shit too
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>>450468446
>left: Monsters with thought put into how the design functions
>right: creatures from a children’s book
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>>450473492
>Fantastic IV
It's trash.
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>>450472914
I don't see it.
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>>450472684
>XY
>not literal dogshit
pick one
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>>450473139
Do you mean like sentient sludge brought to life by the moon?
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>>450473492
Just inject bro
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>>450473423
That's perfectly fine. I'm mad because you're putting words in my mouth that I never said, you constructed a target because none existed. I was literally just explaining why I personally did not like it. Enjoy your circle pad destroyer all you want, I do not give a fuck.
You are making up shit just so you can pretend there's something for you to argue against.
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>>450473636
I don't blame anyone who does. Or who says fuck it and just plays on Showdown to skip the bullshit
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>>450473607
It has the most satisfying villain arc, in my opinion. Nothing too crazy like Galactic. Also, Xerneas/Yveltal have an excellent theme and when you beat Lysandre your character gives a huge sigh of relief instead of the usual fist pump, or whatever, and for some reason I just love that small detail.

Also, way better outfits for waifu dress-up than exist in S/M if you ask me. If that's your thing!
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>>450467292
I don't agree with the idea that pokemon designs are bad when compared to Gen 1. I still see a few good ones with every generation.
But Starters have definitely nosedived in quality since Gen 5.
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>>450467292
Soul vs soulless
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>>450473265
>The hacking argument is a little bit like saying steroids in baseball is okay because everyone else does it
But that's true, you're never gonna be able to compete against a baseball player that takes steroids by working hard.

Just like you'll never be able to compete against a competitive video game player that takes adderall with hard work.

There is literally no point in grinding for the perfect pokemon team when everyone else just hacks in one.
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>>450473723
>I'm mad

Yes, you are. That is completely ridiculous. Do you not realize that? I am making fun of you because of how ridiculous that is. The whole breeding this is really kind of secondary to that by now, Anonymous. Why are you angry, exactly? What are the stakes here? Some guy disagrees with you about breeding?
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>>450473142
ftfy
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>>450473829
>here have 5 characters that stop you every 5s to tell you shit you already know
XY are the worst pokemon games ever made
even worse than SUMO
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Meltan isn't all that crazy compared to Magnemite you know
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>>450474134
But it is because it's not holistic but manifactured, whatever kind of nonsense that retarded shit means.
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>>450473963
Yes, yes I am.
I'm only mad at you however, as you were trying to put words in my mouth. I stated a personal opinion and you thought I was trying to state a law everyone has to abide by.
You took offense that I outlined why I didn't like breeding because you somehow thought I was saying YOU aren't allowed to like it.
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>>450474082
at least you tried, little zoomer
>>450474134
meltan is ok or meh but his evolution is absolutely disgusting
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>>450473954
I don't know how you haven't picked this up by now. I don't grind out perfect pokeys for competitive use, and what competitive play I do do is on simulators anyway, like a lot of people. I do it because it's a lengthy effort, yet reasonably simple, and feels rewarding to complete. You don't think that way, which is why you don't do it. I do, so I do.

I have in my party on my 3DS right now a Lilligant I put probably 40 hours into, and an Absol with a similar timespan, and those aren't even the longest grinds. Are those competitively viable? No. Still glad I did it, though. Never did I have it in my head that the purpose of the grind was so I could take it to a battle with some stranger. I did it for me.
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>>450473954
And to compound on this, even if everyone else did grind for their team it wouldn't even fucking matter since all anyone ever uses online are the OP as fuck Pokemon like Landorus-T or Mega Fug.
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Hey there, breedie. In the autismbox again, I see. Whatcha ya hatchin' there? Oh... 6 IV Ditto? And you want a shiny? That's cool, I guess. Shinies are overrated in my humble opinion, but you do you breedie, you do you.

What? Twenty-four full boxes and you STILL don't have the "right" one? *chuckles* Oh, breedie, when you will ever learn. But hey, at least USUMO gave you the O-Powers back, right? That must help a little bit...

Me? Oh, I was just learning how to suck a cock. You see breedie, injectors such as myself have a lot of free time, since we don't need to run in circles like you. Because of that, I have a plethora of activities to choose from, ranging from watching porn to shit posting in /vp/. Just yesterday, for example, I sucked a delicious Mexican's dick known as "EL DIABLO", with fat dicks and black dicks. It was delicious, and Ben (one of my many sisters) was really happy about. As a reward, she even used Giga Drain on EL DIABLO, if you know what I'm talking about. *wink, wink* That's the life of we, the injectbros. When we feel like, we can simply inject our team (and make it shiny if we want to) and enjoy the game.

Yes, I know breedie. You are typing a comment arguing about "bonding" and stuff, but that's useless. You see breedie, you talk about loving your Pokemon, and yet you use them as breeding slaves and dump the "defectives" ones into the GTS. And when they get a new Egg Move on the next gen, what you do? Why, you breed another one and throw your bro into the trash. Me?

I simply give my mon the hot new moves. Sometimes I let them breed, so I can give a few puppies to my friends. Come to think about it, my Arcanine (who's been with me since HeartGold) has had more sex than you'll ever have. Isn't that funny? *smirks*

But hey breedie, keep up the good work. At least you're not a cheater, right? *chuckles* I'm off to my date with Max and her twin dogs now. See'ya later Feraligatr.
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>>450473829
Hate me if you want but I like the idea behind sun and moons villain Arc. At least the first one. Pokemon has been trying way too hard to ape Final Fantasy as of late. Generation 3 what's so ridiculous that I thought the dinosaur who could literally set the sky on fire with nothing but his existence couldn't be topped. Only for generation 4 to come along and introduce the pillars of existence. Generation 7 by comparison is pretty quaint. Yes there are multi-dimensional creatures but the actual story it's about trying to heal a broken family. The ultra beasts aren't even that much of a threat, they just show up and make the little Pixies angry and then leave. They're not out to destroy the world. At least until the ultra games came introduced an interdimensional predator Dragon made of light who feeds on other light and you have to save the Multiverse. A concept too big for the hardware it was built on so the Multiverse consists of single Lane hallways.

The primary problem with Generation 7 is how it told its story. AKA the hours upon hours of stop and go with the obnoxious cutscenes.
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>>450474294
I was blowing your argument out of proportion in an attempt to highlight how completely childish you were acting. Pretty much from that point on, it stopped being about breeding and building pokemon teams.
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>>450474082
The Gen 1 one makes no sense since only 3 pokemon evolve that way, and two of those are meant to mirror each other.
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Old Pokémon is fun
Why isn’t new Pokémon fun. I don’t know why it isn’t fun but I didn’t have fun playing Y or Sun
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>>450465671
You sound like a retard
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>>450474416
Exactly. If the had kept the cutscenes and handholding under control, the games would have been at least decent, unlike the shit that they are.
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>>450467032
>What the fuck was the Design idea behind Jynx too.
n
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>>450474416
I've only played S/M, not USUM, but from what I've read about USUM, it got totally out of hand. Something about wormholes and extradimensional cities robbed of light by a dimension-traveling Pokemon. Then somehow Giovanni and Team Rocket got mixed in. I'll take a hard pass on all that.

>>450474509
I don't know about fun, but boy are 6 & 7 damn convenient. I'm playing through B2 again right now and have been ultra-triggered that I can't just drag my pokemon around on the touchscreen to reorder them in my party. Not to mention lategame bullshit like EV training. I can't even get an ability capsule in this so my precious Breloom will never have Poison Heal.

B2 is the best game in the series though
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>>450467440
Arceus has the best events and a unique gimmick, plus the best lore.
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>>450471657
>I-I hope this makes me sound like i know what I'm talking about!
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>>450474509
The games have gotten more linear, handholdy, and filled to the brim with cutscenes. I haven't played SM since it launched, but I remember there being several annoying cutscenes every time you entered a new town, and every other route as well.
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>>450474491
No, you weren't. You took something totally irrelevant and tried to pose it as mine. Blowing it out of proportion would be doing something like
>Breeding is not fun because I'm spending too much time playing, boohoo
You changed it to>>450473007
>>I don't think it's fun, therefore nobody else is allowed to think that way
Which has nothing to do with it. At this point it seems as though you are merely fishing for replies.
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>>450472140
Just deal with it.
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>>450474741
>Google image slideshow is the best event

Are you even trying? You like Arceus because it's the first Pokemon you thought to get when you discovered how to work Gameshark codes on DeSmuME

>>450474840
Please do bear in mind, this is a series for children to its very core. I hate the handholdiness but I get why its there. Thank god Exp All can be toggled, huh?
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>>450467986
>Because the poll influenced which Pokémon would be in the next event giveaway.
I have a hunch that Magnemite being on that list is a meme then. >>450468219
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>>450474376
>I don't know how you haven't picked this up by now. I don't grind out perfect pokeys for competitive use
Oh great, so you wasted time seething at me for nothing.

I already said it doesn't matter what you do in singleplayer since even the shittiest pokemon can work in it, i've been talking about multiplayer.
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>>450474509
because they dumbed down the games to the point where its just not fun anymore
>oh no you beat me here have some 10 max potions and my strongest pokemon, let me heal all your pokemons too
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>>450474509
I feel the exact same way bro. Nintendo professes there games are about fun first and foremost, yet that simply is no longer the case. Instead, they just rehash old ideas over and over until it gets stale and any new ideas they have tend to make the product way worse than it was. If only they could get some decent new innovative NON gimmicky ideas and incorporate those into their franchises, maybe we'd be singing a different tune.
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>>450474920
I hate to break it to you, but that is exactly what I was doing. I think now you are putting words in my mouth. How the tables turn, huh?

Let me give you some life advice. When someone in a 4chan thread annoys you, going nuclear on them is about the worst thing you can do. I suggest you learn to just ignore people, it can do wonders.
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>>450468524
gligar is mediocre. gliscor is CUTE!
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>>450474829
tell me im wrong
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>>450474416
Ultra Necrozma is just a sleeping Pokemon that got hurt and seeks revenge while hungry. Still far from gen 3 and 4's legendary mons.

>>450474739
Yeah WTF SM didn't have any wormholes whatsoever, no no no.
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>>450474739
>I've only played S/M, not USUM
You dodged a bullet.
>new cutscenes added
>most cutscenes from SM reused
>game only changes when you meet legedary
>Lusamine is not evil, but still has a chamber full of frozen pokemon that GF was too lazy to change
>Ultra City is actually a hallway that takes you to a boss fight, 0 exploration
>game ends
>20 minutes of fanfiction tier shit with the old teams that make no sense
>"You wanted post game? That's hard haha."
That's it. USUM are $5 DLC at best.
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>>450471645
Lmao just use showdown you retard
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>>450473829
>XYfag talking about story and playing dressup instead of gameplay
Typical. Even you know XY is complete garbage.
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The problems I have with modern pokemon are endless but the design philosophy for the pokemon themselves isn't one of them. Hell I'd argue gen 6 and 7 are, on average, leagues better than 2, 4 and 5 in that department.
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>>450469185
Yeah anon, sure
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>>450474995
This, it was harder before when they had 1 move, unevolved Pokemon and no coverage.
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>>450467653
*dopiest

Ultra beasts are fucking retarded and are aesthetically displeasing. You literally have no taste, go and die in a ditch or something.
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>>450468446
I cringed so fucking hard at the caption for Dragonite. Someone actually thought that was funny. Someone took time out of his life to write that shit out.
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>>450475151
First you'll have to actually explain what you mean by "achieve maximum exposure and praise during the first few weeks"
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>>450473829
>It has the most satisfying villain arc, in my opinion.
What fucking villain arc? There is none.
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>>450475191
So like the other third versions bar BW2.
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>>450474947
>Please do bear in mind, this is a series for children to its very core. I hate the handholdiness but I get why its there.
children are no excuse for a shit product
fucking 5 year olds could beat RBY back in the day and they had no handholding
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>>450474982
Oh yes, I'm livid. I don't really "use" them in Singleplayer either, I kinda just do it to have them. It's a collection thing. And a lot of other folks do it for the exact same reason. That's the premise the series was built upon, please don't forget. We have been in agreement from the beginning that if you want a competitive Pokemon, you should hack it. Yet you seem to have this raging hatred boner for those who choose not to, and that is confusing to me.


>>450475152
Okay, I actually meant to touch on that, but slipped my mind. My excuse is it's 3:30 AM. I had meant to suggest that they took the already-questionable wormhole Ultra space bullshit in S/M and just blew it way out of any kind of reasonable sense.
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>>450474947
>series for children to its very core.
Children aren't retarded. GF is just lazy and do the bare minimum because they're retarded when it comes to 3D models.
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>>450474509
Well in Generation 1 your adventure was, well it was an Adventure. Let me explain with an example. After your third badge you want to go south to fuchsia City. But you can't because a wild Pokemon decided to take a nap in the middle of the road. How do you get around that? Well you can't immediately do anything so the game pushes you to Celadon but if you talk to the townspeople tell tell you about a flute that can wake up sleeping Pokemon. From there you can choose to take up your 4th gym or you can clear the rocket hideout but eventually you're going to go back to clear the Pokemon Tower. Because Mr Fuji is up and he has the flute but he can't give it to you because he's being held hostage by Team Rocket. So after you beat them up he gives you the flute the only tells you that it's meant to wake up sleeping Pokemon. He doesn't tell you to go south and use it on the Snorlax because this is your adventure, it's an easy solution but you're allowed to put the pieces together. More to the point if you are a Savvy player then you would realize that this also applies to your own Pokemon and at the pokeflute will wake up a sleep teammate. It leaves the agency in your hands and let you figure out the way forward because this is your adventure.

Sun and Moon calls itself an adventure but it's just lip service. It's more like a guided tour. You can't go east on Ulaula Island purely because some asshole won't move his dog. You can't go south because Olivia really wants you to meet Lana and mallow for some reason. You're not putting the pieces together yourself you're looking for the games triggers that the game is trying to force you to watch before it lets you pass. After you meet Lana and Mallow and you go back to Diglett cave, Olivia will say

>why don't you check out konikoni City?

I wanted to a long time ago but you wouldn't let me!
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>>450468446
I don't want 'anatomically correct', though. They're fucking monsters. They're not supposed to look 'correct'.
Real animal with shit bolted on is just Digimon. Keep that there, not here.
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>>450475376
>>450475385

I will trust Nintendo and Game Freaks' judgment on what are and are not good features for children, as opposed to some guy on 4chan angry that the series isn't growing up with him.
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They should have 2 kinds of ongoing Pokémon games. There should be the “easy” casualized modern Pokémon, and games more like Colosseum where they make it harder by limiting your access to Pokémon and items and shit and making the battles harder
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>>450475384
>I had meant to suggest that they took the already-questionable wormhole Ultra space bullshit in S/M and just blew it way out of any kind of reasonable sense.
I don't see how they did that in any way? USUM does the same exact thing they did with them in SM, being UB homes and nothing else.
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>>450475061
I hate to break it to you, but you don't understand how to have a discussion, I directly quoted you throwing something in completely out of left field, unrelated at all to what I was saying. I do realize what happened now though, you simply did not understand my post.
I'll rephrase it:
I don't like breeding because it's boring.
Did any part of that try and impose that you should share in this? I was attempting to initiate discussion with you, yet you immediately jumped to being as hostile as possible.
I suggest you take your own advice before you try and give it to others, as well as learning that not everyone is attacking your personal system of belief and just want you to talk with them.
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>>450475191
Yeah, I know I did. That's why I didn't buy them.

Sure do want those move tutors, though.
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Even Yugioh treat its fans better than Pokemon, true?
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>>450475442
Digimon is good though
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>>450474509
It was the age before just looking shit up became the norm. You had no clue what you were going out to find or what you would find next.
Now, you know exactly what you're going to find next. You know what you can expect when you go out, and you understand what people's intentions are when you see/talk to them,.

In short, the formula has just become old. You've been exposed to it for twenty years, so of course it's not going to be as new and fresh as the day you first turned on Pokemon Red and were dropped in the middle of a square town with zero guidance except 'Have an adventure'. You didn't even have context for what that adventure was even going to be like, at the time.

Now that you've been doing it twenty years, it's kind of hard to have a adventure when you have years of context behind it, no?
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>>450475492
If the series doesn't want to grow up with its fans, then why include nostalgia pandering in the first place?
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>>450475390
Very curious how CASUALLY you seem to have forgot the gen 1 game having an old man blocking your way BECAUSE, or all of a city's guards blocking your way because they were simultaneously thirsty.
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>hurr Pokemon is bad now because of the designs
No. This is anon >>450465707,is right
Of all the reasons you could hate modern Pokemon, and there are many, many reasons. The fucking monster designs isn't one of them, and you're part of the reason Pokemon is dying
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>>450475367
Yup, though Platinum and Emerald have more content.
People thought that BW2 had changed things, that they had paved the way for how third versions should be made. But GF either was lazy, or were scummy enough to release a beta called SM.
I hope it was just laziness.
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>>450475608
Yes, aside from the new formats always pandering to the new summoning method and fucking over old ones
Also they should pander to GX and 5Ds fans more and DM fans less
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>>450475569
I think the immediate throat-pouncing on those who disagree with you is what suggested to me that "Stop liking what I don't like" is a credo you take to heart! My evidence, of course, is the immediate throat-pouncing you did when I had the nerve to suggest my opinion is different.

Are you finished yet?
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>>450475390
>450475390
I liked that you could use the flute on sleeping pokemon in battle. It never even tells you or hints that you can do that, it expects the player to realize that.

I miss little things like that. now your bag fills up with key items that may as well be expensive paperweights or have the "This item is now useless" prompt from RE.
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>>450475654
No, it isn't.
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>>450475741
That was still something you had to figure out. Not something the game handed you after arbitrarily watching a cutscene. If you shopped in the Celadon Mall and ran into the vending machine then you had the answer. You also had access to decent healing items.
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>>450475726
Because nostalgia makes money. So does pandering to the child audience you've always captured. It's having your cake and eating it too!
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>>450474416
Outside of the execution like you said, I have two beefs with S/M's villains. I liked team skull a lot, I liked Guzma a lot, I liked Lusamine for the most part, other than
>1. You don't actually fight fused Lusamine
This was such a letdown that it ruined my already mediocre experience. You engage her and then the pokeball shows up in her hand. But she only has 5 slots, so maybe she throws herself in as her 6th. Nope.

>2. Lusamine get made into a dindu nuffin for USUM
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>>450475741
Fun fact: you can easily go west toward victory road and fight Gary at that juncture or even fight some different pokemon. No one knows that because no one ever tries.
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>>450475751
fuck off retard, gen 3 were the last ever good designs and everything in sinnoh and beyond was fucking cancer other than a few good designs in the newest games.
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>>450475856
Digimon is good it just has too much royal knights and waifu pandering because it relies entirely on nostalgiafags for a fanbase
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>>450476023
No it's dumb weeb shit, kill yourself.
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>>450474092
>>450475241


I didn't say they weren't bad games, I'm just pointing out some things I did like about them. It's okay to like some features of things you don't like as a whole, you know. You both definitely know how to take your own idea and run with it.
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>>450475384
Oh funny, because in this reply i specifically state:
>>450472976
>And it's not like i'm talking about hacking in perfect pokes to play the singleplayer, any pokemon is usable in singleplayer.
And i reiterate the fact that it's the MULTIPLAYER that makes hacking necessary.

You respond with:
>>450473265
>Different strokes for different folks. There is satisfaction in working hard to obtain a perfect pogey. You don't think that way, which is fine, I am certain it is because you are a child spoiled by every other game handing you instant gratification.


Yeah, i'm thinking your livid.
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>>450475492
I'm not saying that the series should grow up with me, can you read?
RBY, GSC, RSE, DPP were also made for children but they weren't nearly as handholdy as the new games are. Even BW wasn't that handholdy and that was a straight fucking line.
Also, GF is solely responsible for how shit Pokemon is getting.
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>>450476010
Gen 5 was alright
It gave us Golurk, Escavalier, Druddigon, and Bouffalant

>>450476069
Pokémon is dumb weeb shit fag
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>>450475726
Nostalgia sells, Let’s Go is all the evidence you need to see that.
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>>450468446
You forgot the "ambiguous" buzzword
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>>450465482
I think half the problem with meltan and melmetal is just the art. Other half is that the designs are a little weird, but they wouldn't have been too out of place if they were just drawn in a gen 1 or gen 3 style rather than the shit gen 7 style.
The white lines, solid colors, and deep shading just don't look very good.
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>>450476010
BW had the best designs since the originals, though.
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>>450476208
It's funny how here people say Let's Go sold, yet in /vp/ they call the games complete failures.
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>>450476110
Just furious, you're right. I'm spending time digging through older posts in the thread to justify my unimportant arguments with a thoroughly amused stranger who is more concerned about the other conversations he's part of in the thread.

No, wait, hang on...
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>>450476010
Go to hell you picky cunt. You're part of the reason why garbage like LGPE is allowed to surface and flourish
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>>450476267
A game doesn’t have to be a masterpiece to be financially successful.
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>>450465707
that's the entire problem with them
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>>450467292
The designs themselves aren't at fault here, one is a textured watercolor and the other looks like vector art with entire sections filled in with solid colors.

If you compare their in-game models I bet the newer starters actually look better and more detailed.
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>>450476156
Well, I'm not saying the new games aren't handholdy. But you can't get upset at the introduction of handholdiness into a children's series. It's inevitable. I don't like it either, but there's no use getting upset about it.

>>450476267
I live in Japan, they are successful here. That said, Pokemon Go is also still huge here. So, make of that what you will. I imagine there's some published sales numbers out there that can seal the answer, but lord knows I don't care enough to look for them.

>>450476360
Now this will be interesting. I can't wait to see how you turn some random gen-3 obsessed dipshit into a reason why LGPE is successful but do go on.
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>>450475946
And ironically enough those same people are the ones that don't find the Desert, the Lighthouse or the Bay in SM until they look them up online in the postgame, despite one of them being clearly presented midgame.
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>>450475946
another fun fact
in RB the guy who takes you to the museum doesn't exist and you can go straight to mt. moon
they added him in yellow
you aren't required to beat gyms until the third town
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>>450476267
They're in a state of being both successful and a failure due to how wildly different sales are globally.
In Japan, LGPE sold the worst of any Core Pokemon Title, including Crystal, because Japan still religiously plays GO, defeating the purpose of LGPE's GO Mechanics, and doesn't have as much nostalgia for Kanto since Pokemon didn't "end" for them. Are they a success regardless? God, yes. But they aren't a success by Pokemon Standards, which is what they usually uphold the games by since it's a no-brainer that Pokemon sales eclipse all other sales.
But in America, the nostalgiafaggotry was so strong that they sold more than enough to make up for Japan's lackluster sales, ultimately giving the game an average global sales total for Pokemon standards.
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>>450475821
I didn't even touch your counterpoint because you went off on some weird tangent about egg moves and bottle caps, when all I was saying was
>I think breeding is boring because it's running back and forth
>I have experience from breeding an egg move wimpod
and the only thing I took issue with was you being extremely disingenuous with what I said. You could have simply said "Well I like going back and forth" or "it's lessened in Gen 7 because of Pelago, so you don't have to manually hatch all of them." You instead presented no relevant points to what I just said and immediately took offense, so I once again suggest that you look in the mirror and perhaps take your own advice to heart, maybe stop thinking realize that "stop liking what I don't like" is very different than "I don't like that."
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>>450475940
>You don't actually fight fused Lusamine
Holy shit I will never not be angry about this
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>>450476158
No love for my boy Accelgor? Absolute god amongst Bug-types.
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>>450465482
>i want muh pokemon to be simple!
>NOOO! the nut is too simple!
>m-muk & voltorb don't count!
>rhydon and nidoking? those don't count as being overdesigned!
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>Kantofags
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>>450476703
where did all of the creativity go
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>>450476269
>i-im not seething

Did you forget that you typed these two posts up? >>450470774 >>450472268

You are frothing at the fucking mouth. Don't even try to say you aren't when you've been posting smug anime girls and twisting my words and than greentexting them in all caps with 10+ exclamation points.
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>>450476460
>actually DEFENDING the games
/v/ reaches new lows every days.
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>>450476685
I was pretty upset about that too. Not like it would have been hard, just slap Nihilego's moveset & stats on her, or hell, give her extra stats or some shit.

Oh well. I thought it was funny how Lusamine's pokemon look really pissed at you while you're battling them.

>>450476628
Huh. That's the total opposite impression I had gotten. Again, haven't seen the numbers. I just know a bunch of my friends and coworkers have LGPE so, I assumed it was a common thing.
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>>450476798
What even is the point of this picture?
Everyone holds HGSS as the peak of the series. It's not even an unpopular opinion to have.
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>>450476685
What the fuck, Ash?
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>>450465482
Nidoking is not one of the Pokemon people think of when they think of Gen 1. It's an obscure shitmon.
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>>450476836
they don't make 'em like this anymore...
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If you think modern pokemon designs are bad I urge you to look at the alolan forms. The alolan forms are consistently way more interesting than the original designs. Alolan sandslash is one of my favorite designs ever.
That's not to say modern games are good. They're awful. But that's not because of the designs but the gameplay and cutscenes.
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>>450476694
His stats are disappointing, sorry.
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>>450465707
What's with the other replies? Genwunners? This person is actually right.
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>>450465482
What are you talking about? The design of that magnet fucker looks GREAT. It literally just looks like a pile of bolts animated by a sentient magnetic ooze. It's fantastic, what is what wrong with you people?
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Why didn’t Ash simply fuck Iris in her black ass to prove he wasn’t just a kid
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>>450476921
It's just like the XY villain, who wears a mecha suit just to throw pokeballs faster I guess?
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>>450476921
>Oh well. I thought it was funny how Lusamine's pokemon look really pissed at you while you're battling them.
I believe the look they were going for was soulless or devoid of all feelings.
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>>450477001
or this...
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>>450476875
I did type those. One of them was an hour ago I think, that's what the timestamp says but I'd be pretty upset if I've actually been talking about Pokemon that long instead of sleeping, the other 40-some minutes. You know, when the argument was still fresh, and not just one guy banging his head against the wall desperately trying to convince everyone else he's not upset. By the way, nobody is paying attention to our argument besides you and me, and lord knows I don't care what you say or think, so I don't get why you're working so hard to save face.
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>>450465707
Goodra. I’d put a picture in but there are only creepy ass drawings by psychos.
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>>450475442
But genwunner, that's the excuse you use for the rest of the 151. That they're based on animals with details. Whatcha doing?
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>>450471205
they shoulda kept iv's random after breeding
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>>450477020
>Alolan Geodude
>Alolan Digglet
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>>450477132
this...
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>>450475492
I really don't think Gamefreak understands kids. I sat with my neighbour's 6 year old kid when he was playing through X/Y and he would not stop complaining about the sidekick characters, and how the game wouldn't let him go anywhere he wanted.

Kids don't buy games, parents do - they buy them for their kids because they recognize and trust the Pokemon brand from their youth. Gamefreak is successfully marketing to parents while making game design choices that even an infant would find irritating. Neither party is able to judge the quality of the game, and the cycle continues.
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>>450474995
Not that it wouldn't be easy anyway. Pokemon battle system is actually good. But gamefreak absolutely refuses to use any of their own tools. I'm not saying they should go full Smogon but why can I invalidate EVERY WATER TYPE TRAINER IN THE GAME with a moderately leveled Ivysaur? Because not only are the NPC's trapped into monotype teams but they don't even have moves and roles that complement one another
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>>450475940
Lusamine wasn't a dindu nuffin for USUM, I don't know why people keep saying this.
>backstory is the same, she became nuts after losing her husband
>only this time she didn't have to make her own hole because the URS had a way to
>had a new conflict presented and her obsessive nature changed from "I have to go to a world with beauty, only for me" to "I have to be the saviour of this world"
>still freezes Pokemon she wants to keep preserved
>betrays the URS and triggers Necrozma prematurely awakening, which would have resulted in Alola permanently losing its light if you didn't intervene, because none of them could do jack shit against it
She's still a bitch, she just doesn't go into a coma for it. The police are idiots.
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>>450477001
>>450476836
It's literally just as creative as those, you guys aren't even thinking.
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>450475280
SEETING
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>>450476798
LGPE are dogshit
they have even less content than the first remakes
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>>450477082
See: >>450466667
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>>450477126
No? Lysandre's machine was to absorb the legendary's power that the absorving device couldn't. It's just that you were in the way so he had to take you on first.
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>>450477034
So are those of Golurk, Escavalier, Druddigon, and Bouffalant. What is your point? I thought we were discussing design here.
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>>450475946
Everyone knows that, newfag.
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>>450476617
Do you mean the guy who takes you to Brock's gym who's stood at the east exit of Pewter? He's always been there. The glitch used to skip that guy is in the Red speedrun if you need proof.
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>>450477247
or even THIS!
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>>450477164
>and lord knows I don't care what you say or think
Is that why you've kept responding to me for over an hour desperately to defend the fact you grind for pokemon in single-player even though i wasn't talking about single-player at all?
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>>450465707
I prefer gen 6 designs, gen 7 are too adorable. Even evolved, only a few intimidate
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>>450476957
It's to show how lazy Gamefreak became in 8 years
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>>450467032
Dragon Quest's slime is literally slime.

It's not about whether the design is simple or "lazy", but whether it is remembered or not. All those designs you mentioned are memorable.
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>>450476539
There's nothing to "go on" about anon. I've heard fags bitch and moan about the designs since gen 4.

It was never a major issue before LGPE since it seems GF it actually listening to them to some extent, I cannot tell you how many times I've heard "there's too many Pokemon now, I wish it was just the 151" or "I stopped playing after _gen so I have no nostalgic connection to these Pokemon" or some such bullshit like that.

Compounded by the success of Go and GF taking all the wrong lessons from it.

Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong. But after the past four games (XY, ORAS, SM, LGPE) I'm not feeling optimistic about the future of the franchise.
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>>450477371
talking about REAL creativity, like ball with eyes
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>>450474509
Because ever since Gen 5, the games have railroaded you into experiencing the game how developer wants instead of letting players progress how they want.

Remember how in RBY/FRLG you could get an early rival battle, do a couple of gyms out of order, and skip the Sevii Islands just to get to Giovanni?
Remember how in Emerald you could ignore the abandon ship route water, walk around rival battles, ignore New Mauville, skip contests, and skip the battle tents?
Remember how in Platinum you could ignore contests, skip the underground, skip the Lost Tower, ignore the post-game Galactic story to go straight to the Battle Frontier?

Gamefreak doesn't.
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>>450477406
It's been quite a fun trip, don't you think?
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I’ll never take Pokémon seriously because you could have like the most psycho crazy fuck ever trying to like turn the world into the 91st circle of hell by summoning the demon lord Bagaghuul or something and you just stop him by being a 9 year old and slapping his pet dog with your pet cat.
The second a Pokémon villain like pulls out a fucking gun and tries to shoot you after you beat their Pokémon is the second I start caring
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>>450477020
In order for the games to be genuinely good most of their aspects need to be high quality individually and compliment each other. But there’s a constant struggle between modernizing and retaining the characteristics of RBY. They need to either commit to the old style of adventuring with 2 major goals (catch every Pokémon and beat the Elite 4) or go towards more of a set piece tour of whatever region the game is set in. And after X&Y I’d be fine with never having to pay attention to a group of jobbers I’m supposed to be friends with.
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>>450477315
Are you complaining about the lack of Satoshi Tajirii's art? Because I dropped Pokemon when Satoshi stopped designing the games and drawing the Pokemon and I completely agree, and yes the replacement doesn't compare, but Pokemon will literally never be good without Satoshi Tajiri in charge of it, though I do like this design.
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Pokemon became less monster-like because of the popularity of the anime

https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/meet-the-makers-of-pokemon-lets-go-pikachu-and-pokemon-lets-go-eevee/

>Masuda: At the same time, probably because of the popularity of Pokémon the Series, I think most Pokémon fans prefer the less scary, kind of cuter, and more inviting look that the animated series provides. So the feel of the world changed to be a little less scary, and the Pokémon started to look less monsterlike and more like the impression that people get from Pokémon today. We're taking those ideas and continuing to implement them in these new games.

That's why they look "cuter" and have human personality traits
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>>450477517
who could forget bigger ball with eyes
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>>450477348
He’s not me.
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>>450477216
Goodra's just kind of mediocre when you look at it alone. Need to consider how it ruined it's evolutionary line to make it bad.
Though I can't help but compare it to Dragonite.
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>>450477534
You can thank the reception I received from Japanese Children for a whole bunch of things, including...
The gradual descent into casualization hell!
The gradual descent into corridor-based level design!
The gradual descent into hand-out Events instead of Mythicals having their own dedicated area, story and challenge!
Please look forward to my return in the Sinnoh Remakes, I'll be neutered beyond recognition there.
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>>450477463
>Gamefreak
HGSS being the best is because of based Morimoto. I remember reading that people in Gamefreak told him to stop adding so much content because the games were remakes, but he refused and put as much as he could into the game.
It's criminal that he hasn't directed a game since.
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>>450477668
remember eggs
eggs with eyes
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>>450477637
I dunno bud, the Alpha & Omega of "cute" pokemon are Pikachu and Eevee, they're both gen one things ya know?


>>450477687
Okay, well, we were discussing design and not stats. For what it's worth his stats aren't bad at all. I didn't say he was the greatest Bug-type out there statswise, I just think his design is rad as fuck!
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>>450477637
This kind of thinking is also why Dragon Ball doesn't have blood anymore
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>>450477637
MASUDA GET OUT
REEEEEEEEE
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>>450477637
If they never make another useless baby Pokémon it’ll be too soon.
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>>450477534
they do
but here's the thing they realized that they could put in the least amount of effort and retards would still buy their games
LGPE are a proof that the average consumer doesn't care about quality
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>>450477543
Let me guess, you were only pretending to be retarded?
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>>450465707
I completely agree. Out of everything wrong with modern Pokemon, I feel like the few things that GameFreak still have down are character/Pokemon designs and the soundtracks.

>>450467653
>>450467920
Based Ultra bros
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>>450468446
These are the good designs in your image. I would say Ursaring is the most uninspiring and weakest. If not for the yellow circle (which looks like ass) and the small tufts in his shoulders he would be fucking Yogi the bear.
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>>450477802
is that a dark voltorb?
no, it's gassy ball with eyes
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>>450477829
Both Eevee and Pikachu had their designs slightly altered (or majorly altered in Pikachu's case) to look more cute, though.
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>>450465482
>definitely probably
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>>450477831
I hope the thing about the Let's Go games becoming a series for casuals while the new gen games have the older players in mind is true. If it really is, then I welcome the Let's Go games.
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>>450478010
>Braviary
>not a good design
>Faggotnite
>good

Cock sucking nigger
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>>450477568
But anon the XY villain selfdestructed his own base to take you out.
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>>450476617
anon I think you're pulling my leg, I've played red way more times than I've played yellow
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>>450465707
Holy shit finally someone who fucking understands. If pokemon designs were even mediocre then it wouldn’t be a quarter as popular as it is now.
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>>450477573
Yeah you dropped it so early that you don't even know who draws the Pokemon or what Tajiri's role in the games was, it really shows.
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>>450478039
Well, that's true, but you have to expect designs to evolve over time.

>>450477946
Pal, I was done arguing a half-hour ago (probably literally) when it became clear you were more interested in trying to save face than deliver a point. There's a reason I tried to highlight how digging through past responses was making you look silly, I'm just clicking the number on top of your post when it pops up at the bottom of the screen here.

>>450478121
They are definitively spin-offs, I don't think there was ever a chance they would try and supplant the main-series handhelds. Unless of course you mean to suggest that the advent of a series following LGPE would "de-casualize" the main series. I could get behind that too.
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>>450478121
>implying that we will have a good ending as long as Masuda exists
Anon...
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>>450465707
Generation V had some truly shitty designs, like Garbodor and Vanilluxe. After that the designs are pretty good though (Xerneas and Yveltal are pretty cool, as are the Tapu dieties in Gen VII)
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>>450465707
>Modern pokemon has lots of problems but monster design isn't one of em
fuck yourself
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>>450478190
Yes and I know there’s no actual risk involved because it’s a Pokémon game and I’m never in danger of anything but being sent back to a Pokémon center
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>>450477795
Yeah, too bad he actually forgot to fix the game's flaws and not make it absurdly fucking boring while adding that content.
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>>450476460
The fact that the merchandise is the highest-selling part of Pokemon proves that the monster and character designs are its strongest asset.
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>>450478121
I don't think so, gen 8 will be inheritor of gen 6 and 7 silly stuff
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>>450478032
>actual director says "old pokemon were simpler"
>"lol wtf why are these so simple" - u
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>>450478380
V also has some of the best designs. Every generation has good and bad designs. You're just cherry-picking. So am I, because Accelgor fucking rules.
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>>450469597
These are the good designs in your image.
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>>450478381
its amazing how it still looks better than the other 2 starters
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>>450478504
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I say every pokemon design is bad, this popular thing is also bad, newer things are bad too unless they meet an arbitrary criteria i made up. I'm intelligent and deserving of praise.
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>>450465482
I do not like it because it doesn't have any of the looks or designs people DO enjoy from older or newer gens. Most Pokemon I hate have one factor to why I don't like it... Be it a poor looking design or confusing idea behind it...

The thing on the right isn't a Pokemon tho... It is a Pikmin enemy. It looks more like the Plasma Wraith/Waterwraith then it does a Pokemon
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>>450478381
No, please, how about you go fuck yourself
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>>450478347
>highlight how digging through past responses
>clicking on a post to see the entire reply chain in a single box is digging

Oh wait, you don't use 4chanX.


>Pal, I was done arguing a half-hour ago (probably literally)
AKA, you were "pretending to be retarded".
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>>450478347
I remember hearing in an interview that they want to make the Let's Go series along the main games. So one year of LG and one year of main game.
>>450478360
Well, Masuda said he won't direct any future games, but he left the guy responsible for ORAS and SM in charge.
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>>450478528
I just miss the good old days back when Game Freak knew how to design an appealing Pokemon
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>>450477758
No, I blame how bad Gamefreak is taking criticism.
>People don't like how unintuitive the Contest mechanics are? Just get rid of contests!
>People don't like Voltorb Flip prefer the slots and roulettes? Just get rid of mini games!
>People don't like Mt Coronet's annoying HM-heavy mazes? Just get rid of bigger dungeons!
>People don't like Gen 5's shitty distribution and leveling systems? Let's just shove mostly older pokemon on players!
>People don't like battling trainers with teams consisting of 6 similar pokemon? Just make everybody only have 4 pokemon, even bosses!
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>>450478121
It's frustrating. Because Pokemon is a series targeted towards children. And yet it's also a series with 800 something potential party members all with an average of 2 passive abilities to choose from with one passive ability you're able to equip. 19 typings that are all good at different things with some being immune to others making switching a very important part of the game. A rock-paper-scissors system that can be circumvented by the fact that Pokemon can learn moves outside of their types to cover their weaknesses or supplement their strengths. And six stats that can be boosted or lowered along with status ailments that have varying effects . That is much MUCH more than most jrpgs have available to them. In theory Pokemon should be one of the best jrpgs in the business. Especially since you have 6 completely customizable party members rather than a pool a fixed party members like other jrpgs. And yet it's not because Game Freak, either through willful ignorance or because they genuinely don't know their own system, refuses to use any of the tools they made
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>>450477758
>Sinnoh Remakes
it wont be snowing
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Pokemon designs after gen 4 are total garbage.
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@450478439
keep posting meme images, maybe you'll get a reply this time.
>>450478498
The key word in my post is "hope." In actuality I'm expecting the games to be total shit.
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>>450478813
Aw come on, you gotta love mega 'dactyl. So pointy. What's not to love?
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>>450478802
tasteful, elegant
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>>450478813
The ones on the left (minucs Manectric) are the only good ones.
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>>450478347
LGPE are officially considered mainline Pokemon games. This has been confirmed many times. They have even said (and this comes from the devs themselves) that it is NOT a spinoff when asked.
It's also grouped with all the mainline games, separate from the spinoffs, on the official JP website.
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posting best pokemon ITT
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>>450478539
Don’t shit on my niggas Bert and Ernie
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>>450478789
>believing Masuda
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>>450478817
Nothing wrong with Gen 5's leveling system, anything that stops people from overleveling and then crying on /v/ about how the game is too easy is a positive in my book.
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>>450478937
they lost their touch...
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>>450478627
Fun fact Xurkitree ranks as the most popular UB in Japan.
Blacephalon and Buzzwole are the two least popular.
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>>450478932
mega dactyl is shit
everything looks glued on
If it looked like pic related I would like it
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>>450478817
funny how the only time they ever "took criticism" was when genwunners begged them to stop being ambitious and start churning out lazy shitty nostalgia-pandering games instead. that was music to game freak's ears.
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SIMPLISTIC DESIGN GOOD
DETAILS BAD
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>>450467032
>Muh monsters with epic extravagant ultra detail with 50 things hanging off of it

Fuck off simplistic wins every time as far as Pokemon designs go
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>>450478763
If that helps you feel better, be my guest. Note that you are still trying to save face, though it's been 20 minutes since I suggested you stop.
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>>450479032
>Nothing wrong with Gen 5's leveling system
Yeah, having shitmons evolve in their late 50s is really fun, anon.
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>>450479006
What's the explanation for having clothes?
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>>450479029
Who cares, we know for a fact Ohmori's taking over from this point onward since he's Masuda's Successor and has already directed SM.
Expect even more fade-to-black gameplay interruptions and waifufaggotry as the eponymous creatures continue to feel less and less important to the game's story.
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>>450478802
>>450478937
>>450479056
all great kys
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You’re all old men now.
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>>450479006
>Sawk throwing Throh

That's just wrong on a fundamental level.

>>450479090
I don't understand. He DOES look like that. In fact, I think what you posted is worse.

>>450479086
Good, Blacephalon is fucking heinously ugly. Shame about Buzzwole though. I can't even comment on Xurk's design because it's been years and I still can't look past the fact they gave a fucking base 173 (?) Special Attack pokemon Tail Glow
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>>450479209
They don't. No Pokemon wear clothes, it's all part of their bodies. Except for the belts.
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>>450479209
same explanation as hitmonchan
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>>450478951
shitty furbait
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>>450479338
>I don't understand. He DOES look like that. In fact, I think what you posted is worse.
Not being able to understand change is a sign of autism anon
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>>450479032
Gen 5's boosted experience system still has pokemon that evolve or learn moves too late, even when B2W2 gave them out early.
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>>450479209
They make clothes and belts out of vines and shit because they don’t want to be naked. The belts in particular are an item known as an “expert belt” that they make if I remember right
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>>450478817
That's only a result of homogeneity brought on by mass consumerism. They have to make things easier rather than harder so the franchise can maintain mass appeal. Mass is the key word here.
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>>450479209
Not really any. The pokemon that wore clothes in gen 1 got them from humans kind of like how cubone wore the skull of dead marowaks. Then eggs came along and they just fucking poofed into existence with clothes on.
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>>450479338
Doesn't even matter, Xurk's other stats are very mediocre and the only good set is extremely risky. It often doesn't get a chance to use that SpA. It's not that good in battle really.
Also fuck you Blacephalon is great, the floating head is superb.
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>>450479208
I think he's talking about the thing where you get more XP if you're lower level than the foe, and less if you're higher. I also think that he thinks you meant that by "leveling system". Not the fact that Zweilous evolves at 64 and Mienfoo at 50 or some shit. I mean, those are separate and the latter isn't even unique to Gen 5.

I caught this Swinub at level 4 and it's not going to evolve until 33, this is the longest 29 levels in existence, but it'll be worth it to have my mighty tusk lad eventually. Life advice for you, save Swinub for the endgame when you can just powerlevel the damn thing.
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>>450478539
to be fair a lot of this is newer art, the original art has some very different placement

look at how the coin has depth, his whiskers actually come from where a cat's whiskers come from instead of random points on the face

and he's fucking curled like a cat
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>>450479032
>anything that stops people from overleveling and then crying on /v/ about how the game is too easy is a positive in my book
That's why they force legendaries into walking right up to the player begging you to catch them, right faggot?
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>>450479620
Anon, it is an unbelievably tacky pokemon with a horrendously shitty name. I can't name a single redeeming quality.
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>>450479653
Too bad that's not the original, badly drawn art eh?
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>>450479086
>Buzzwole least popular in Japan
wtf i hate Japan now?
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>>450479751
It dances
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>>450479724
Not in Gen 5, you retard.
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>>450479751
It looks fine, the color is fitting for the clown/firework theme and the head is the best part of it. The name is great, basically just Blast and Encephalon. Exploding head, it does exactly that.
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>>450479653
alolan meowth > original meowth
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>>450480002
Is it because you want to fuck it
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>>450479208
>>450479634
Regardless, Unova's Pokemon having extreme evolution levels was to reflect that they wanted players to have the chance to spend some time with the Pokemon's base form and get to know it better instead of having it instantly evolve into the next stage, but they failed to consider the long term effects and how these Pokemon can apply to future titles.
The base forms are just as garbage as any other Pokemon, and the final stages are more often than not just as average as any other Pokemon, but GameFreak won't ever remedy this issue because despite retconning literally everything else in this franchise, evolutions aren't one of them.
Even Feebas was still able to evolve into Milotic if it had Max Beauty and was transferred upward to Gen 5 or sent to XY despite Contest Stats not being alterable or visible in those games, the Prism Scale was just an alternate method so they don't have to lug around a purpose for those Contest Stats every single game.
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>>450478840
Like you said, it's a children's franchise and they want it to keep it that way. Because that's how the franchise makes so much money.

Appealing to an older crowd would be a death sentence for this franchise since they don't watch the animated series or buy toys.
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>>450479032
>anything that stops people from overleveling and then crying on /v/ about how the game is too easy

Are you serious? Gen 5 had trainers not have more than 4 pokemon, let the player have access to the fastest and strongest sweepers before the second gym, had the generation's legendary trio stand out in the open for players to catch, and having your rivals only have shitmons.
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>>450479209
These two make clothes that resemeble judos because they wanted to take part in human martial arts. How a new one is born with the clothes? Same reason why Cubone is born wearing a skull.
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>>450480138
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>>450479885
pokemon started out as a gag manga

the r/g artwork tried to mimic the style and r/b fixed it
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>>450479885
I love this stupid idiot cat.
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>>450479965
So what? It's not the only Pokemon that dances.

>>450479993
It looks stupid. Clown + fireworks is a really dumb concept, so it's certainly fitting that it looks stupid. I guess you could say that the design suits him well, which is good design, but it's such a stupid concept that there's no hope for it.

>>450480138
>Baby mode template
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>>450479967
>Not in Gen 5, you retard.
Why lie on the internet?
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>>450480081
The Pokemon that evolved at late levels also weren't able to be caught until late-game, where they're already close to those levels.
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>>450479209
Shut up
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>>450480079
so? only having pokemon for fighting is under-utilizing them
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>>450479209
game freak are a bunch of hacks
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>>450480260
>pokemon started out as a gag manga

It started out as a game. Then came the gag manga, then PokeSpe, and finally, the most well-known and successful video game adaptation ever, the Pokemon anime.
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>>450476703
>>450476836
>>450477001
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>>450477668
>>450477802
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>>450479056
The worst part of this autism is that one doesn't know what these pictures are supposed to prove. It's a mix of "they are ugly/unoriginal/boring/whatever", but no concise criticism.

e.g.:

1. Ditto has such a simple shape because it transforms into other Pokémon.
2. Voltorb and Electrode are a play on the Mimic archetype of RPGs.
3. All other designs are fairly simple and cute. The major exception being Mr. Mime, IMO the worst looking Pokémon of the original 151, by far.
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>>450478627
I unironically like all of these aside from the pile of blocks.
I mean, I don't want pokémon to look like that, but they serve their purpose: being bizarre creatures that differ from the norm.
Still, i'd like a pokémon game set in the Ultraverse.
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>>450479209
Because it looks cool
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>>450480660
You realize the reason why people shit on Voltorb and Electrode isn't just because of their design, but because they also fail as Mimics in-universe, right?
Sure, they work from a gameplay perspective, but not in-universe.
No one except a retard would mistake an Item Ball for a much larger Voltorb, never mind a gargantuan-in-comparison Electrode.
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>>450467606
>waifu tier
nigger you seriously need to stop fantasizing about fucking pokemon. what the fuck is wrong with you. you god damn furry. fuck you. you're delusional. seek immediate mental health help.
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>>450480660
Honestly I’d say Seel was the worst designed gen 1 Pokémon for being so boring. At least Mr. Mime had the mime gimmick playing on its use of light screen and reflect.
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>>450480719
>I unironically like all of these aside from the pile of blocks.
nobody cares underage
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Can we all agree fighting type Pokémon are consistently the most well-designef
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>>450480660
you're arguing with pedos/trannies/sjw

they love the new shit garbage designs and hate gen 1
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>>450480301
Is there an online tool for this, cause im too lazy to open up gimp and repeatedly copy and paste shit.
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KANTOOOO
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>>450480862
>Sure, they work from a gameplay perspective
And that's all that matters.
>>450480898
I liked Seel, it's very cute and evolves into the even better Dewgong.

Really, I think the only one that competes with Mr. Mime is Raticate.
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>>450481012
why would anybody hate gen one
those were the good old days, back when game they knew how to design a game
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In terms of design its gen 2 > 4 > 3 > 6 = 5 > 7 = 1
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>>450481038
http://www.pokestadium.com/tools/sprites

That helps, copying transparencies is nice and quick even on MS Paint if it's not transparent, try changing your secondary color to black

If you prefer sprites over models, it also has Gen VI sprites and there's a Smogon thread full of Gen 7 sprites
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>>450480878
there's nothing wrong with wanting to put your dick in a pokemon
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>>450481006
Hell yeah.
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>>450480301
why though? it looks fine and I meshing the two works, its not like they are totally unrelated
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>>450481239
Thanks
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>>450481207
This is also another strawman people love to use.
Literally no one claims Gen 1 had the best games. Only that it had the best Pokémon designs.
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>>450481357
Oh yeah? Well, my opinion is different than yours on the matter. So, y'know, take that.
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>>450481207
SIMPLY EPIC MY FELLOW RETARDERA POSTER

also gen 3 fixed the gen 1 games and made them perfect
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>>450481418
>if you disagree with me you’re wrong because your argument is overused
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>>450477132
I actually like Magneton...
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>>450481390
Sure. I think I'll add that to the template :^)
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>>450481510
>old and simple good
>new and not simple bad
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>>450465482
There are plenty of good designs every single gen, imo the one on the right is one of them. This is coming from a nigger who started to dislike plenty of designs starting back in Gen V. Also i'll still never enjoy voltorb, electrode,grimer, snubble, all of the pikachu clones besides minus and plusle.
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>>450481510
How dare you talk shit about Mina
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>>450481658
on a gameplay level the newer games are as simple and braindead as it gets though

in the new LGBT pikachu and eevee game you arent even allowed to fight fucking brock, the easiest gym leader there is, without a grass type
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>>450481535
It's not a matter of agreeing with whether Gen 1 has the best designs, it's a matter of people claiming Gen 1 has the best designs and not much more. That's a fact.

For instance, while I think Gen 1 and 2 have easily the best designs of the franchise, I enjoyed Gen 3 games much more. I'm sure I would think the same of later gens.
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>>450481079
>And that's all that matters.
Only because of the limited graphics at the time of RGBY. But that was over 20 years ago, this is today.
LGPE has the proper capacity to depict Voltorb and Electrode as they should, the difference between a tiny ass Item Ball and the Mimic Pokemon is very apparent now, yet the protagonist is apparently so brain-damaged that they can't identify Electrode until it attacks.
I'd accept this disparity if they would say Voltorb and Electrode have the ability to collapse and expand like actual Poke Balls, but they haven't mentioned such a feat nor have they depicted them doing such in other Pokemon Media, so it's safe to assume that's not an ability they have.
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>>450478482
people will buy literally anything pokemon makes, it doesn't matter if it's good or not.
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>>450467606
>Crobat and Houndoom
Absolutely based
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>>450481510
t. amerimutt
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>>450481558
me too
it's in my top three gen one evolutions-which-are-actually-just-a-cluster-of-their-previous-evolution, right after this guy
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>>450481853
>copypasted barrels
>level designer couldn't even be bothered to rotate each one slightly
Sad
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>>450481804
I’m talking design.
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>>450481942
They are brilliant. Crobat manages to be the best of all the Poison-type, Flying-type, and bat-shaped Pokemon. Glorious, is it not?
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>>450482017
t.gamefreak dicksucker

>>450482045
oh really?
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Something I realized a few years ago is that designs that look like shit standing still or just as a 3D model look way better in motion. Like I used to think Gligar looked like shit but after seeing it in the anime and moving around more in the 3D games I came to like it a lot
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>>450481870
>people will buy literally anything pokemon makes,

Because they like it, obviously.
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>>450476798
SS>HG
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>>450481748
Eh, minun and plusle are entirely a gimmick I can do without. I wonder if they know they’ll never replicate Pikachu’s popularity?
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>>450482121
>Implying Yungoos isn't great

Yikes. Smells like bad taste in here
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>>450471306
>my little pony
I don't get it, gen 5 was released before the MLP:FiM
>inb4 the baneyfag autist
Eat shit Lee
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>>450482121
>old and simple good
>new and complex bad
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>>450482121
>oversized head, blobby, simple, eyes are round, feet are simple
don't talk shit about Jigglypuff, bro
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>>450477132
>>450481558
Why is he so good bros...
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>>450482203
Yeah that's kind of the thing

The games don't have the capability of showing off the Pokemon properly
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>>450478817
I replayed through the GBA and DS eras of pokemon through an emulator this past year. Now I remember why I didn't like Gen 5. It solidified so much of the railroaded trends people say are in Pokemon games today.

In RSE, you could ignore the Magma/Aqua grunts fighting with each other on the Lavaridge volcano. But in BW/B2W2, you have to listen to the Plasma/Former-Plasma grunt's dialogue when they fight eachother

In DPPt, you could fetch Fantina in the Contest Hall without actually doing a contest. But in B2W2, you have to participate in Pokestar Studios to fetch the boat captain.

In RSE and DPPt, you can decline the old folks telling you about the history of the legendaries. But in B2W2, you're forced to listen to that old lady in Lacunosa Town tell you about Zekrom and Reshiram.

It was annoying.
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>>450481504
k
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>>450482285
Pretty sure Lucario, that frog nigga, and Gardivor are more prominent in porn than Pikachu. That is how I consider popularity.
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>>450482497
B2W2 are the best games in the series. One day you will have to accept this truth. I hope in time you grow enough as a person to do so.

I agree that HAVING to do a movie to get to Castelia is idiotic, though, and I fucking love Pokestar Studios
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>>450478010
Good taste.
>>450467032
Simple doesn't mean bad. It's the greebling out the ass that make nu pokemon look like digimon, after all.
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>>450467653
the ultrabeasts are absolutely buttfuck stupid from both a visual and gameplay perspective, its actually kind of amazing how the designers fucked up so badly
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>>450482351
jigglypuff is literally the balloon pokemon

if it was made today it would just be a pink balloon on a string with googly eyes
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>>450482654
>B2W2 are the best games in the series
That's not saying much considering that even since Yellow the franchise has been 1 step forward 2 steps back.
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>>450465707
The average Pokemon design is terrible. Gen 3 was the peak for designs imo, and gen 5 was the last overall good gen design
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>>450482623
Well you’re right in one regard, I was more thinking about something you’ll see on phone covers and backpacks.
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>>450482203
Shame so many of the animations are barely seen or are in non-mainline games.
Most Pokemon have sleep animations that are extremely difficult to trigger for some reason.
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>>450482654
>B2W2 are the best games in the series
Not with that shitty rival.
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>>450482829
>Incineroar's supposed to be a dick ass heel that everyone hates
>wasn't actually depicted being a dick ass heel in motion until Smash, since the Masked Royal's Incineroar in the anime does a 180 and is instead a heroic badass protagonist
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Pokemon ended after Black2/White2 though?
What the fuck is a Pokemon x/y?
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>>450482759
true, object-based pokemon used to have much less literal, more thoughtful designs...
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>Mfw the best Pokemon game is a romhack

It's got fucking everything man.
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>>450478840
Eh, I'd still like more freedom in adjusting EVs and maybe some more passives/stat boosters like in later Tales games or some FF games.
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>>450478380
There's nothing wrong with garbodor other then not being poison/steel
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>>450483071
geodude is great
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>>450465482
the design on the right is not bad. the way it's distributed through pokemon go and not some cool in-game quest is shit
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>>450482121
>>450469597
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>>450483115
They look pretty good and I have been meaning to play them. Do they skip over the movie thing, or do you still have to go through it?
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>>450482948
There are worse. Poor fella got cucked hard. Imagine fighting so hard to get back a Purrloin that has both evolved and completely forgotten you.

He reminds me of Gen IV rival, just replace the word "hyperactive" with "angry"

>>450483115
I am playing that shit right now! I spent 2 hours grinding for Roxie, got totally fucking dumpstered, then had to spend another 2 hours grinding with a different team specifically built to beat her! This game's challenge mode does not fuck around!
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>>450465707
Thread should have ended here. There's so many things wrong in this fucking turn based RPG series, if monsters designs were bad there would be nothing left.
/thread
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>>450483248
i prefer big geodude with four arms
reminds me of big machop with four arms
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>>450471938
A good design should be iconic and memorable.
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Every thread on this is just magnemite, voltorb, and new mons being called shit

Can we talk about actual shitty mons like the paras line, stantler, burmy, heliolisk etc
These threads are so repetitive.
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Fuck “friendly” rivals
Fuck the shitty story of Pokémon games
Fuck contests
Just let me catch monsters and let me beat up other monsters with my monsters and make it FUN
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>>450482384
>good defense
>high special attack
>decent speed
>lock-on + zap cannon / rain dance + thunder

Design-wise however I can't pin point why I like it.
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>>450483517
>paras line
You lost me there
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>>450483517
It's literally one guy though.
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>>450483275

Movie thing? I dunno what you mean, been a while since I played.

They are fucking incredible, the Pokemon variety is off the charts and the challenge mode is legit hard as balls. Enemy trainers all have actual strategies and shit, if you go in thinking it's easy you'll get fucked. I played it on Nuzloke and it was the best Pokemon game I've played.

>Mfw I get to Victory Road and a Swift Swim Ludicolo team wipes me
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>>450483517
paras and heliolisk are good
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>>450483517
At least Paras looks cool
Give it some kind of ability that gives it an effect where it’s weaknesses and resistances are reversed and it would be good
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>>450483517
>paras line
Sucks practically with that awful typing but cordecypsmon is kino
So much to throw shade on in gen 1 and you pick that?
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>>450483471
oh, he has skin and a snake face now
also we're back to two arms
kind of reminds me of machoke
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>>450471205
competitive pokemon is actually an interesting and complicated game though.
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>>450483764
>named Golem
>not even close to being a golem
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>>450483624
The section after you beat the second gym, when the game forces you to play through the thing where you make movies. Pokeholiwood or something like that.
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>>450483542
this but give me stuff that doesn't involve battle on the side too
I want secret bases back
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>>450482384
DIDILUNG DIDILING
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Melmetal = Just stick several together (Dugtrio and Magneton) + It just gets bigger (Pidgeot, Primape, Poliwrath)
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>>450483604
>keeps complaining about big eyes
>when plenty of gen 1 pokemon have the same problem
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>>450483970
goddammit we need to bring the sprites back
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>>450483764
come to think of it, there's a real lack of visual consistency in newer evolutions
have you seen rhyperior? barely even resembles rhydon
ridiculous

here's an unrelated image of dragonite
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>>450484060
Pokestar Studios
One of my favorite things about BW2
Not that anon so Idk if it's in that romhack though
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>>450474412
>all this effort and not a single reply
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>>450484184
Capcom fighting games were ruined by 3D models
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I feel like people just exaggerate how bad the designs of the other "group" are, using arguments that could easily damage their own gen
Very tribal
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>>450484256
whoops, excuse me
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>>450484289
>pasta
>effort
one of the most common pokemon pastas to boot
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>>450484298
>>450484184
Sprites>3D models
Very few Pokemon benefited from getting a 3D model over a sprite
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>>450484289
It's obviously pasta
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>>450484289
Well you went and ruined that now didn't you.
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>>450483604
A good amount of these complaints on the right side can go for a number of gen one Pokemon. nostalgia really is one hell of a drug.
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>>450468446
>Yes, I'll just cherrypick Zapdos as looking bad
>I won't bring attention to Pidgey/ot/to, Spearow, Articuno, Moltres or the other few birds
>Now uuuuuuh which bird after Gen1 doesn't look like shit?
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>>450484060
Yes, but it takes less than 5 minutes, just power through it. Remember you don't have to go and watch the stupid thing, just make it then leave.

BE CAREFUL with challenge mode. My god, be careful with it. If you aren't the kind to pore over the documentation included with the romhack to theorycraft your way out of every sticky situation, it's going to be rough. The early game is particularly ridiculous in its brutality.
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>>450484402
>>450484437
>rused
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>>450465707
Good post, I completely agree. Their world design is still top notch, too.
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>>450484379
Playing through Gold right now and I have a Dragonair that I'm not going to evolve. Sorry Dragonite fans.
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>>450484579
>merely pretending
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>>450484575
I'll give it a try then. This thread has me itching for a good pokemon game, and this looks like it is.
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Are there any moderate romhacks?
The main games are too easy and all the romhacks are just fucking destroy your dick tier hard
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>>450484652
I wasn't even him.
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>>450484646
It’s fine Dragonair is more fuckable anyways
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>>450484579
>reverse rused
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>>450484692
It is p. gud. Non-challenge mode is still pleasantly hard, but not fuck-you-anally hard. Like Roxie was.

Fuck, man, Roxie was ridiculous. Also, Hilbert can be fought in the endgame and all his 'mons are level 100. Happy grinding.
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>>450467187
>most Pokemon in the list are legendaries
fucking hell Japan.
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>>450484809
well damn
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All these images comparing each gen to another are dumb as hell. Each complaint easily applies to their gen of choice, and each praise can easily apply to the gen(s) they're mocking.
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>>450484771
Soul
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>>450484812
Absolutely based
Would be my favorite line if not for that fat nigger-word
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>>450484915
People usually don't want a shitmon as their gift distribution.



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