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and thats a good thing :)
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>>117903993
Thank you for reminding me to watch this
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these movies are too complicated for the general audience. i'm serious that's the reasoning
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>>117903993
That's fine, I can just watch the fugitive over and over again. Some movies are like good songs, they did it so well, you don't need to seek out soulless copycats like that movie with wesley snipes on an airplane that tried to rip off die hard.
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>>117903993
The Tom Clancy movies with Harrison Ford from around the same time are so good too
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What about Liam Neeson movies?
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>>117904135
it's not a very complicated movie
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>>117903993
I DIDN’T KILL MY WIFE
YOU FIND THIS MAN
I DIDN’T KILL MY WIFE
HE HAD A MECHANICAL ARMMM
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>>117903993
Nobody says it's a good thing, fucking incel.
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>>117904545
A walk among the tombstones was actually pretty good.
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>>117904520
Are they really? I never watched any of them because they look so bleak.
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Action movies in 2019 has to appeal to low iq Chinks. Intellectual action kinos can no longer be made
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For me it's Enemy of the State (1998)
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>>117904572
Audiences aren't very intelligent.
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>>117904764
Deep State kino
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I DONT CARE
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>>117904623
Political intrigue, thriller elements, action and starring Harrison Ford. What's not to like?
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there are no more adults its all overgrown children getting offended over everything
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>what is John Wick
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>>117903993
this movie holds up very well
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>>117904667
Studios stopped pumping out lots of movies in the late 80s and have since moved to making very few blockbusters targeting the broadest possible audience. A 200mil dollar(production budget) movie that doesn't make a billion back is considered a failure because marketing department has convinced that a movie isn't worth shit if not everybody in the whole world knows about, that's easily another 300mil for advertising. Smaller movies still exist but they just get buried in the wave of blockbuster coverage. As much as you hate it, Amazon and Netflix are buying movies in the 5 to 15 million dollar range by the truck load and that is the only way for film to survive if you want them to have any budget at all and are not made Clerks/Last House on the Left-style with the whole crew hoping they struck gold.
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>>117904903
>>117904623
>>117904520
They're OK, there are a lot of similar films that are much worse.
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>>117904903
I know, you're right. I'll check them out.
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>>117903993
This movie is honestly in my top 5.
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>>117904935
pile of shit
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The Firm is similar to The Fugitive and fun too. It's from around the same time
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>>117904965
It's the mid-budget films that have died.
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>>117904965
not to mention that CGI effects cost a ton
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>>117903993
Yes, they do, it's just that the big six doesn't see them as profitable anymore.
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I call these dad action movies and I miss em
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>>117905114
Name them.
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>>117905102
They don't really. Good CGI is fucking expensive, almost as expensive as good practical effects but meh/ok CGI is dirt cheap, way cheaper than meh/ok practical effects.
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>>117903993
How was the original tv series from the 60s?
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IT WAS THE 1 LEGGED 1 ARMED 1 EYE MAN
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>>117905145
What are the definitive 'dad action movies?'
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>>117904764
Everything this movie predicted or even presented as plausible turned out to be completely true. They don’t even try to keep it a secret anymore because they know we don’t really care.
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>>117903993
These are your average adults.
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>>117904935
John Wick is not for adults.
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>>117904965
letting marketingfags run a company always goes the same way

increased profits for 3 years, a period of stagnation for 5-7 years and then death

if current studios are this stupid then they deserve to die and make room for better studios
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The collective iq of society and especially the general population that still goes to the kinoplex
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>>117905198
Pretty much any pre-2000s movie involving law enforcement or military personnel and themes of political intrigue or terrorism.
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>>117905236
Well yeah, the 3rd gen geeks and nerds(1st gen original twilight zone baby boomers, 2nd gen growing up watching star wars with their dads in the theater, 3rd gen were growing up in the late 80s/early 90s) are now in their 30s with a lot of disposable income spending much of that on nostalgia and companies are exploiting that by feeding it with new content.
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>>117905294
...finish your statement.
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>>117905236
What an absolute unit.

>>117905281
This. Marketing departments and executives are the inevitable result of success and the capitalistic growth of a company/franchise, and they inevitably kill creativity. It's well documented and known.
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>>117904572
the point ---->
you
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>>117905409
Shit
>because of....the collective
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>>117905281
>if current studios are this stupid
they are
>they deserve to die
they won't
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>>117905399
>now in their 30s with a lot of disposable income
Sure?
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>>117905481
>college or trade full time job
>no family to feed
yes
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>>117904824
>>117905077
Unironically this, we are moving away from intelligent, apolitical movies with a focus on white America.
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This was the last Ford thriller. People dismissed it for being dated
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>>117904903
I prefer REAL political thrillers, like Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
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>>117903993
well, considering the movie was based on the Sam Sheppard (mis)trial, it actually is a good thing.
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>>117904581
>Have you seen this man?
>Every time I look in the mirror
>Cop chuckles and moves on
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This is your target audience. You have absolutely nothing in common with them, to the point of perpetual mutual resentment. They are dumb pack animals that know nothing aside from painstaking labor. But there’s more than a billion of them, they have at least a couple bucks each, and their oppressive government has allowed you to release a limited number of films to them each year. Do you make:
>movie where mostly good but complicated hero solves a complex mystery
or
>movie where clearly labeled hero in spandex defeats clearly labeled nazi stand-ins
or
>movie about an animated farting walrus who dances to top 40 rap songs
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>>117903993
last mission Impossible was cool
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>>117904824
And they're getting dumber and browner.
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>>117905162
The Assassin

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agX7ffZTGRo
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>>117904764
For me its based Mel
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>>117903993
>>117904572
>>117904824
I fucking hate people
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>>117905562
jesus fucking christ don't remind me
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Will we ever have movie like Red October again?
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>>117905562
Was Maxwell Resse deFault in that movie?
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>>117904135
>these movies are too complicated for the general audience. i'm serious that's the reasoning
No its not, the reason they don't make movies like this anymore because theres a literal conspiracy to deprive people of anything requiring any IQ points what so ever as not to give them any ideas, this goes along hand in hand with confiscation of civilian firearms and gasoline fueled cars
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The Fugitive is PG-13 bro, it's no more for adults than The Dark Knight
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>>117907497
american rating system sucks ass and doesn't mean a thing

also 13 year old is old enough to enlist in army by lying their age to die in a war
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>>117905162
>MI: Fallout
>Dragged across concrete
>Beirut
>Blood Father
>Hell or High Water
>Deepwater Horizon
>Patriots Day
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>>117908052
I wonder who the fuck financed Beirut, it's a miracle that movie got made even if it's some average political thriller.
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>>117905399
My 30th birthday today. No job, no income, addicted and alone. Go fuck yourself cunt
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>>117904572
Ffs....He knows that. He's talking about normies you Fucking pleb
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>>117905067
Great great movie
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they don't make anything for adults anymore, at least nothing popular
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>>117904965
Fifteen million dollars today gets you a minimalist piece of shit that takes place in two rooms, whereas five million dollars in the 80s got you fucking Terminator.
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>>117904572
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>>117903993
>male lead
ancient times and not for modern audiences like this >>117906126
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Smart phones kill a lot of that type of genre.

Gonna have to set them all in the early 90s or something
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>>117904903
>>117905001
Fuck, these movies are so good. I seriously miss when movies didn't fucking suck.
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>>117910172
what do you mean? if you're running from the cops just ditch your phone man
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>>117904087
I rewatched a couple of weeks ago. Still enjoyable until the end.
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>>117903993
U. S. Marshalls came out of the Fugitive which wasn't half bad either.
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Movie studio folks have figured that people dumb enough to actually pay $10 to watch a movie are unsophisticated rubes who'd rather have cheap cartoonish CGI than realistic CGI, let alone anything better than a CGI fest. They also figured that a script written at a 4th grade level is sufficient, that's why what stands out the most about recent movies is how retarded the writing is, but people keep paying to see those turds, so why stop? Go watch some braindead capeshit and then go watch anything old, even something supposedly lighthearted like the Golddiggers of 1933 will feel sophisticated, intelligent and poignant compared to the pile of mindless crap you watched before.
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>>117904935
>John Wick
>well written
>written for adults
>not 13 year olds at best
wew
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Because movies like pic related "aren't marketable" and retards would rather sperg out about loose ends or meandering scenes than enjoy well executed visions of quality.
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oldfag here

>be in high school
>stay up all night with buddies just fucking around
>had to wake up super-early to attend some school-related event on a Saturday
>after event, decide to go see a movie
>Watch The Pelican Brief
>All of us fall asleep 20 minutes into the movie

Did we miss anything? was it worth seeing? Should I try watching it again?
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>>117911411
This was actually one of the lesser 90s political thrillers, but it's not bad. It was like a poor man's The Firm.
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>>117903993
I was just thinking about this the other day
I rewatched a bunch of 90s kino like The Fugitive, Witness, Double Jeopardy etc
they dont make em like they used to
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>>117903993
Why does he have his pinky in his mouth like that? kind of effeminate t b h
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>>117911595
He's signaling to faggots like you.
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Writer's strike and China's disposable income are the main culprits. That and people being much more mindful of where they spend their entertainment money.
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>>117905198
>What are the definitive 'dad action movies?

Yeah I'd agree with anon's description >>117905331

Could also include just adult thrillers and suspense going back to the 70s maybe, although not the erotic or slasher-y thrillers as much as political or corporate ones. See for instance Pakula's thrilllers of the 70s like The Parallax View.

But we're also talking more where it gets action-y too, which is mainly 90s, for some reason. These movies have a certain tone and cinematography, regularly feature Harrison Ford, Michael Douglas, and at some point maybe has a big reveal involving James Earl Jones. There might be a gala event scene.

The Fugitive
Sneakers
The Firm
Patriot Games
The Game
Air Force One
Clear and Present Danger
Conspiracy Theory
The Sentinel

There are also a lot of serious, often bleak cop movies in the 80s that could fall under Dad Action, like Black Rain and To Live and Die in LA, but they're not as comfy as the 90s stuff.
Heat
Payback
Ransom
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>>117911713
>faggots
Please take it easy with the homophobia.
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>>117911411
Watch it back to back with Erin Brockovich for the ultimate Julia Roberts political thriller kino experience.
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>>117904135
Or because original movies dont make nearly as much money as sequels and reboots do
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>>117903993
Ghost > The Fugitive
debate me
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>>117909889
The French made this movie twelvish years ago, Intimate Strangers. Very good. Two psych patients waiting for the same doctor arrive, one mistakes the other for the doctor, the other doesn't stop her, they become friends.
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>>117911875
What about Conspiracy Theory with Mel?
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>>117911868
I actually defended filth like you until you went after the bakeries.
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>>117906419
I love that film so much.
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>>117903993
I watched The Rock recently and thought that was an enjoyable movie. I forgot about The Fugitive. I'll have to go watch it later tonight,thanks OP
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>>117911995
I'm not gay and I wouldn't mind it if you called me a faggot in private, but we're on a publicly accessible forum and I wouldn't want you to offend people like my friend Mike. He's really cool.
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>>117912061
A question for your friend Mike from my friend Jim, how does Mike handle it when his rectum prolapses? Should he push it back in or...?
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>>117912112
I don't want to ask him that question. I would see a doctor if I were your friend Jim.
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>>117911840
I consider Death Wish to be peak Dad Action.
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>>117903993
The Substitute with Tom Berenger.
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>>117903993
White Sands with Willem Dafoe, Mickey Rourke and Samuel L Jackson. Amazingly good panned-on-release subversive adult thriller.
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>>117912500
based. the sequels with treat williams are kino too
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>>117905162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF8h3hOGBJM
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>>117904623
Clear and present danger is one of the comfiest movies I’ve ever seen. Also co written by John milius. It’s kino.
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>>117903993
That's because they don't want to remind people that they can be targeted. Everyone is the same, nobody is vulernable, we are all one.
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>>117903993

could have just said "original screenplays for adults"
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>>117903993

I hate this movie because [spolier] every time it’s on I end up watching the whole fucking thing. I must have seen it flirty times.[/spoiler]
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>>117909037
Happy Birthday
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>>117912259
Oh yeah, totally. There all those 70s and 80s action and even romance movies where the lead man is a grizzled 50 year old. And in a lot of the action movies he's even grumpy about 'what has happened to society' - Death Wish, Dirty Harry.
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>>117904602
And there's why
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>>117914621
Or Falling Down.

>>117905198
>>117911840
>>117912259
Another quintessential Dad Action movie is Breakdown. Kurt Russell totally has this baby boomer dad image about him.
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>>117904903
>>117905001
GET OFF MY PLANE
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>>117905001

Willem Dafoe as Clark and "Ding" Chavez were great in that movie, they tingled my Rainbow Six bone, specially since the Rainbow Six Rogue Spear game was so fucking awesome
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>>117903993
This movie is great because it has an European feel to it even if it's not European.

Hollywood has glamourized itself too much now and every movie's cinematography is too clean, too saturated, too polished.
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I want more political intrigue kino, the last one I enjoyed a lot and its in my top 15 movies is Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
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>>117910123
>blacks are dumber than hispanics
dang
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>>117911284
This was so fucking good
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>>117911994
Was just going to post this. Fucking kino movie. Even better than The Fugitive, imo
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>>117903993
Idk
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>>117903993
you mean entertaining movies?

they haven't done that for nearly 2 decades
same with music industry
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>>117915327
This shit was so goddamn uninteresting, it took me 3 sittings to finish it because I couldn't stay engaged. Gary Oldman and John Hurt are two of my favorite actors, I love political thrillers, and I do typically prefer slower films, so it's not an ADHD problem. I just did not give a single shit about anything that was happening.
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>>117911411
>Julia Roberts
I had to explain to some kids just how BIG she was in the 90's after Pretty Woman.
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>>117911840
>Black Rain
Anon thats primo Dad
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>>117904135
No the reason is that it's boring.
Reminder that people complexifying this garbage because "muh old movies witty and better" are the same circle jerk behind /r/ Rick and Morty "> 200 I.Q to understand" posts.

* Dabs and tips fedora on your dead c0rpse *
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>>117915634
Same man. I feel the same way about this movie and about all those other things you mentioned. I was primed to really dig it. I have zero problems with a nice slow burn. But TTSS did nothing for me.
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>>117915836
>The Fugitive is boring
zoomer detected
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>>117915222
>Rainbow Six Rogue Spear game was so fucking awesome
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>>117915367
This is pretty much common knowledge. Only race dumber than nogs are Australian aboriginals.
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>>117903993
fucking love the fugitive. I quote it all the time
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>>117911840
Don't forget The Rock
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Trying to think of the last action movie I saw that wasn't cape shit that had an intriguing plot
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US Marshals wasn't as good. Something about this movie is magic, I think it has to do with the prosthetic arm clinic.
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>>117904545
Cold Pursuit was great but got buried because people wanted to call Liam Neeson from 25 years ago a racist
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For me? It's the Manchurian candidate (the old one)
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>>117913691
Fucking this

Saw it for the first time about a month ago, wondering why the hell I hadn't watched it sooner.
Also based Willem Dafoe is in it
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>>117917471
>Cold Pursuit
Just watched it recently. Actually pretty good despite all the misgiven hype he gets from things like the Taken trilogy.
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>>117904337
But they did. They made sequels and imitations and parodies of it
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>>117917536
I just googled the word "misgiven" and I think that I might have used it inappropriately. Still, you know what I mean.
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Can we take a second to appreciate how great Under Siege is despite casting in the lead role some fucking idiot who can't act?

>Erika Eleniak's glorious milkers on full display
>Busey and Jones as the villainous duo
>that great leadup to the takeover scene
>that scene where they just blow up Busey at the beginning of the third act
>one of the best kinds of plot: "action hero alone in an isolated location filled with bad guys has to fuck shit up"
>Erika Eleniak's fucken massive honkers
>all those "cut back to military command" scenes that are so incredibly 90s
>Jones gets stabbed in the fuckin head and shoved into a computer console
>those tits
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>>117917536
It helps that the movie pretty much ignores him for the entire second act, so the movie diverges from being another Taken sequel where you're just waiting for setpieces where Liam Neeson murders people, and instead becomes a Coen Brothers-esque dark comedy about mob misunderstandings
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Remember when Richard Gere decided to make a kino film after every romcom?
Then he got blacklisted for supporting Palestine and Tibet.
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>>117917622
They were great tits, my friend. My little boy weewee was crying tears of joy when I rented that shit on VHS at Blockbuster.
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Tombstone is primo dad core.
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>>117905001
>>They're stealing my money!

>>117907366
No
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It's so weird seeing an article about this because I've been thinking about this very same thing recently, and The Fugitive was exactly the sort of movie that I had in mind. I'm not sure exactly how to categorize what I'm thinking of exactly. It's not necessarily a genre or sub-genre. Or even a mood or theme exactly. I suppose they're all thrillers, but it's more specific than that. I'm thinking of movies like Witness, Frantic, Breakdown, The Edge, 8MM, The Last Seduction, maybe Body Double and some other Brian De Palma movies, you could probably throw some of David Mamet's stuff like The Spanish Prisoner and House of Games in there, too. Obviously, some of these are a lot better than the others, but they're all sort of competently made thrillers with interesting if somewhat implausible plots that are made for adults. The stuff we all would watch late at night on cable in the late 90s to early 2000s basically. In other words, the sort of low to middle brow entertainment that you would expect to see before this whole niche was swallowed up by capeshit and remakes.
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>>117917622
>Erika Eleniak
YES
>Busey and Jones as the villainous duo
You forgot one of the main henchmen Colm Meaney. That's a hell of a villain trio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWuFSkTKYIc
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>>117918755
I didn't mention him, but hell no I'm not forgetting Colm, or the black dude who rounded out the main quartet. Again, it amazes me how good that movie is despite the star being one of the most boring action heroes of all time.
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>>117904903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KpNzalFKPo
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>>117918719
What makes every one of those movies you listed great is each takes its time to tell the story and rewards the viewer for paying attention. Something like, say, Basic Instinct, which is still one of my favorite movies, speeds the plot along and doesn't take a lot of breathing time to let things develop. In fact, the whole development where Shooter falls in love with Catherine is implausible and rushed and the movie's worse for it (I still love it though, plus it's not really that kind of movie anyway).
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I hate China so damn much. They are resonsoble for this by being so fucking stupid and their taste being so shit. And here’s some worse news, it’s only going to get worse. Movie makers more and more are realizing that it makes more financial sense to appeal to the billion retards in China then the 300 million retards here. And it turns out their retards are orders of magnitude worse then ours are. American children have better taste in movies then Chinese adults. I can’t even describe how much I hate them. If they want to be retards and don’t bother me I don’t care, but they are ruining media for all of us. Pretty soon that tv show from idiocracy ow my balls is going to look like high art in comparison to what they are churning out to appeal to the apes over in Asia. “Asians actually have higher iq then white people”. Oh I am laughing
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>>117904581

Based Ventrilo Harassment.
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>>117919385
Yeah I'm sure making Ariel a nigger is appealing to China's market. Face it. Hollywood is appealing to your low IQ society that is going to mimic Brazil. Blaming everyone but yourselves is just as American as apple pie it seems.
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>>117919385
At least they aren't interested in the new Star Wars movies.
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>>117918719
middlebrow is the word you're looking for
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>>117910123
I got 1300 and I didnt go to college, now I'm a wagie
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>>117919660
Well, you are right our sjw’s are responsible for a lot of shit. I can’t lay it all on China’s feet. But China is responsible for a lot of it. Quality of media is being attacked from all sides it seems. The less they try to appeal to white men the worse the quality gets....interesting. I also find it interesting the women and brown friends I have think quality is dropping as well even as they get “representation”. It seems to me that they are burning the whole thing down by trying to appeal to women and brown retards by tanking the quality while largely failing at appealing to those demographics. Even if I’m wrong about that, I’m not wrong about the quality going to shit. Can’t I at least have my bread and circuses while the quality of life in my country is being obliterated? Too much to ask?
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>>117911840
Didn't mean to group Heat in with the 80s stuff there. But Manhunter could fit under that.
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>>117914847
GET OFF MY PLANE is such a dad line. Just replace plane with lawn.
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>nostalgic for fucking remake trash
Zoomers please fall into mass graves
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>>117906419
thank you mate
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>>117915836
This is the shittiest take I've read on anything, ever.
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>tfw will never be 1990's Harrison Ford when I'm older
Feels bad man
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>>117903993
The only thing I know about The Fugitive is that the Janitor from Scrubs starred in it and it's Scrubs cannon
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>>117903993
the jack reacher film fits that genre as mediocre as it was

I want more movies like the three fugitives
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>>117904935
I finally gave in and watched this despite my scepticism. It was complete dog shit. I can't believe how fucking low the bar has been set.
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>>117922587
I choose to believe this for The Middle as well, why can't I unsee him as that fucking janitor?
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>>117922664
isn't that kid in the middle like 20
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>>117905236
What's that thing on his left elbow from though?
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>>117905198
>>117911840
shit I had a thread about this like a year ago and had lots of good essential dadcore movies:

tango & cash
mad max
bullitt
james bond (duh)
miami vice
dollars trilogy
tombstone
lethal weapon
maverick
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>>117922871
forgot to mention a few more I suppose. I could probably come up with more if I went back more to the early 70s, my dad is a bit older

under siege 1 & 2
executive decision
point break
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>>117911840
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>>117915327
I liked bridge of spies
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>>117917622
>Erika Eleniak's glorious milkers on full display
you can stop right there honestly I wore out that spot on my family's copy
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>>117917622
>Gary Busey's massive honkers
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>>117922795
it's a yu-gi-oh duel disk
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This movie is pretty comfy.
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>>117923164
also unusually redpilled
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>>117923164
better movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBM3SQwryE
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>>117904935
Made for Reddit manchildren who play videogames
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>>117922962
this movie was so close to reality but it was so shitty
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>has more soul than anything produced in the past 10 years
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>>117906419
good Lord mate, haven't finished yet but what a great movie, thank you again
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>>117904520
>I CAN'T GO TO YEMEN
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>>117907466
b&rp
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>>117911927
The fugitive is a reboot you absolute retard
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This movie is great, but there's some stupid shit in it.
>Dr. Kimble can afford to rent an apartment while on the run despite having a tiny amount of cash
>we find out that his friend Dr. Sikes borrowed Kimble's car on the night of his wife's murder so he had his house keys. Gee, the cops didn't think this was important and Kimble just forgot this fact?
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>>117907497
Moron
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>>117923399
>The fugitive is a reboot you absolute retard
Eh, not really. It was a film adaptation of a tv show. If they made another Fugitive film next year, that would be a reboot.
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>>117911927
eh
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>>117923549
god dammit wrong movie
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>>117915634
Finally someone else on /tv/ with the same opinion on this movie as me. I so wanted to like it.
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>>117923399
You stupid austistic fuck. That's not the point.

The movies the studios want, the movies that make money, are franchise sci fi/action/fantasy series' that have endless sequel and spin off potential. And arguably more importantly, a fuckton of soft money to be made in liscening plastic crap for the masses to buy, in the form of action figures, collectibles, toys, games, etc.

Studios don't want movies like this because they make money once from the theater and some from distribution and that's it. Movies like "Star Wars XXV" can make money 100 different ways for a 100 more years
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>>117915327
This one was highly enjoyable. The good shepherd was a fucking chore. I should rewatch The Insider, forgot most of it.
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>>117923213
Nice, very comfy. I liked the remake, but this one is far superior and it still holds up.
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Fugitive 2020 remake
>Dr. Kimble is black
>white wife is killed
>is a victim of racism, police brutality, etc from his arrest all through his trial
>white man is killer
>Sam Gerard is black and him and Kimble bond at the end and realize they're both on the same side against racism
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>>117923911
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>>117905001
How DARE YOU sir?
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I DON'T CARE!
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>>117905073
You know, you can't help but notice that this applies to several areas of the economy. The big players dominate, the small ones find a niche, and the middle gets crowded out. Aside from cinema, you can see it in socioeconomic classes and sports like baseball.
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>>117917471
>people wanted to call Liam Neeson from 25 years ago a racist
And now nobody ever remembers that anymore.
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>>117904903
Plus it has Thora in it.
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and HERE'S why you should care:
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Do Hollywood even make movies for adults anymore
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The joke is that it belongs to that Casablanca tradition wherein they had the source material and just kinda bullshitted the movie version and that's the very heart of how they managed to push the capeshit era into being; it's got that Buckaroo Banzai heart.

So the schtick is that every movie is The Fugitive now. It was a total success. This is the stuff >>117915269 in the sense that it gets at the beat of what was happening in the 90s in film. Marx-Trek was the future but tempered by that realist Camus vibe, it's individualist vision yet communal. The main takeaway actually might be that there's been some sort of loss in how movies are imagined wherein not necessarily the authorial but the directorial has passed relatively without note.
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>>117924326
What happens when the middle class all but disappears? Serious question to anyone willing to take a shot
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>>117918719
8MM is great. I actually saw it in the theater when I was a teen.
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>>117904520
>Corporal, do you know the fine for littering in the state of California?
>SIR, YES SIR!
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>>117924673
not an economist, but neofeudalism is the option I see.
Something either hard cyberpunk in structure, with a few giant corps that own everything an exploit everyone not in the in-group kept in check by large security forces (who would become a new sort of middle class), or something 1984 with a monolithic organization (government or corp) controlling everyone not an immediate part of the organization with propaganda
or we'll all die from something else, i dunno
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>>117905281
example?
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>>117923549
Holy shit The Fugitive made $368 million which adjusted for inflation is $642 million and that's with probably less than half the theaters there are now and without all that 2nd world/emerging world economies money.

Also a budget of only $44 million half of which probably went to Ford.
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>>117925063
A good story sells anywhere, anytime. It's just these short sighted scaredy cat jews these days afraid of making something good. Disgusting scum
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A MAN CAME INTO MY HOME

HE HAD A MECHANICAL ARM

YOU FIND THIS MAN
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>>117903993
I like the fireworks at the end stinger.
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>>117903993
>Chicago detectives remarked that his fingerprints are all over the crime scene and the house
Those police were retards. He lives there. Of course his fingerprints would be all over the house. It would suspicious he had no fingerprints in the house.
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>>117924673
Nothing happens. We mostly have never had a middle class in all of history. White people innovated and produced at such an insane rate they forced a middle class up the aristocrats ass before they had time to steal all the money. They are getting around to it now though and sending in hoardes of low skill low iq people to make it faster. We all just go back to being peasants like always. Maybe in a hundred years or so everyone kills all the rich people again, but other then that same old same old.
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>>117903993
what did I think of U.S Marshals (1998)
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>>117917297
Australian aboriginals and some african peoples (the khoisans) that the bantu expansion has mostly exterminated.
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>>117903993
Every movie now has to be about "identifying with" the main character (no matter whether it's negroes or women or incels we're talking about), so you can't have films starring complex flawed characters living out a course of events in their own unique personalities and circumstances.
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>>117922664
he has 4 kids? where's the middle?
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>>117911840
Dirty fuckin Harry
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>>117904667
one more thing the bugmen and Jews have ruined
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>>117915845
>>117915634
I thought it fucking sucked. Call me a pleb if you want
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>>117903993
Why didn't Tommy Lee Jones just radio for help in the stairwell?
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>>117911840
I'm going to just list some Movies, I am too tired to stick to the theme so they are not necessarily action or thrillers but they belong in every dad's repertoire.

Point Break
48 Hours (and sequel)
Wall Street
The Blues Brothers (original)
Big Trouble in Little China
Rambo: First Blood (mainly just first movie)
Strange Days
Thief
Heat (the Burt Reynolds one)
Black Rain
Cobra
Tequila Sunrise
The Italian Job
Miami Vice (series or movie both ok)
Bullitt
Body Double

Anime bonus:
Golgo 13 (movies)
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>>117906334
what a mess...no tension in this scene at all. like a home video
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>>117906334
holy shit this scene sucks
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>>117906048
>They are dumb pack animals that know nothing aside from painstaking labor.
And cannibalism, don't forget cannibalism.
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It was really distracting how the guy playing Dr. Charles Nicholes kept drifting out of his really bad American accent.
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>>117906334
Here are two ways that scene could have been drastically improved:

1. Don't shoot on video
2. Don't add foley to every swipe and strike

Especially when you have no music in the scene (which is fine), you can increase the "realness" (and thus the immersion), or even move it into surreality, by keeping the sounds of the weapon attacks minimal.
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That's bullshit. Inception wasn't that long ago.
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>>117905562
>I prefer REAL political thrillers, like Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
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>>117907466
Tell me about anon, how did he walk through the looking-glass?
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>>117903993
Not enough pandering possibilities.

If they made The Fugitive today, it would have a bunch of Chinese side heroes, a teen love story involving a werewolf and/or vampire, and an LotR-style massive battle at the end.
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>>117905739
gold
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>>117904667
Ironic, because chinks have higher iq than amerimutts.
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>>117924673
I'm hoping for a 1984 corporatist One Party to Rule Them All sitch but by then I'll be old and experienced and fully browbeaten by life enough to be a heartless monster and that skill will allow me to stay on top and oppress the lower tiers.
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>>117922512
Air Force One was often kino af, but the heavy-handed "global interventionism by US good" political message at the beginning really throws me off nowadays.
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>>117923164
It's pretty good until the twist.
After that, all nuance and tension is gone.
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>>117921086
me too
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>>117906419
90s Mel Gibson is so based
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>>117904935
judging from these replies, a pseud/elitist filter
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>>117905562
Don't larf. It had Robbie Redford in it and thus must be a politukul phrillah.
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>>117925160
And, you know, the Fugitive was a popular TV show in the 60s and this was at the time cool little Hollywood movie remake made of it 26 years later.
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>>117915327
this one was great
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>>117903993

>"Like the cult television series that inspired it, the film has a Kafkaesque view of the world. But it is larger and more encompassing than the series: Davis paints with bold visual strokes so that the movie rises above its action-film origins and becomes operatic."
>—Roger Ebert, writing for the Chicago Sun-Times[12]

Is this guy hearing himself?
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>>117923549
Enemy of the State's earnings got hit by the R rating I suppose.
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I don't even like the fugitive but I really do think it is tragic. Now every action movie has to have cgi set pieces, has to be set in a fantasy world. They have no attachment to reality and humanity. I really miss McTiernan, and I'm glad there are still a few filmmakers like Cruise/McQuarrie, Carnahan, Mangold, Gavin O'Connor, perhaps even Fuqua, who are still favoring a certain traditional way of filmmaking.
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>>117903993
That movie was so good I was able to enjoy and pay attention to the entirety of it as an ADHD riddled 10 year old
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>>117906334
This movie is garbage, so much so I had to stop it in the middle and give up forever. The last time I found a movie so unbearable was when I watched the first Michael Bay Transformers.
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>>117930379
siskel was always the patrician
ebert was trying so hard to fit in and had no clue most of the times
worst thing is when he sucks actors cocks in performances that are clearly subpar
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>>117910123
don't blacks already drop out of college at ridiculous rates? I am all for them trying to get better and at least get off government handouts but most people just do not belong in college
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>>117909037
Happy birthday anon. 30 is very young, plenty of time to fix your life.
Good luck!
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Where my witness fans at?
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>>117915367
Blacks have always been the dumbest race
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Very flawed, very underrated
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>>117930379
>>117930810

Siskel gave opinions and reflections

Ebert gave a straight school grade "book report" tier play by play. Ebert was like listening to John Madden talk about movies. Almost every review was a straight "and then this happened, and then this happened."
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>>117918719
Now that I think about it. The Hitchcockian action movie.

Culminated with De Palma's mission impossible. Mamet's Ronin. Spielberg's Minority Report. I'm assuming Nolans success is also partly of his Hitchcock heritage.

And as much as I hate Marvel shit, Winter Soldier succeeded for similar reasons. Lone man wrongly accused on the run and seeking to expose a conspiracy, doubting his allies etc.
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>>117931227
I do think it is fair to say that Roger Ebert destroyed film criticism. Because of the wide and far reach of television, he became an example of what a film critic does for too many people. And what he did simply was not criticism. It was simply blather. And it was a kind of purposefully dishonest enthusiasm for product, not real criticism at all…I think he does NOT have the training. I think he simply had the position. I think he does NOT have the training. I’VE got the training. And frankly, I don’t care how that sounds, but the fact is, I’ve got the training. I’m a pedigreed film critic. I’ve studied it. I know it. And I know many other people who’ve studied it as well, studied it seriously. Ebert just simply happened to have the job. And he’s had the job for a long time. He does not have the foundation. He simply got the job. And if you’ve ever seen any of his shows, and ever watched his shows on at least a two-week basis, then you surely saw how he would review, let’s say, eight movies a week and every week liked probably six of them. And that is just simply inherently dishonest. That’s what’s called being a shill. And it’s a tragic thing that that became the example of what a film critic does for too many people. Often he wasn’t practicing criticism at all. Often he would point out gaffes or mistakes in continuity. That’s not criticism. That’s really a pea-brained kind of fan gibberish.
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>>117904572
it is for nogs and minorities
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>>117909037
You are the exception, anon, not the rule.
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>>117931341
I believe you're being shallow and pedantic.
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>>117915367
Not by much.
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>>117907366
>there will never be a Jack Ryan cinematic universe with him going from FBI to presidency and set in the timeframe of the books.
I seem to remember they team up with Russia against China so.
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>>117922962
I love this movie and can watch it anytime. Underrated Smith kino

Also uncredited seth green and jack black is funny.
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The reason why adult cinema is dying is because movies have to be made for soulless chinks and the ever increasing sea of low IQ minorities.
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>>117905562
Or Suicide Squad!
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No, they still get made.
They just go under the radar, are complete trash, or never even get released in theaters
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>>117925063
The competition at the time was much lower. Nowadays you only hear about blockbusters that take up most of the theaters all year round.
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>>117924673
Brazil.
A place where what remains of the middle class has to share the same space as the marauding "victims of society", gets taxed to near poverty and gets blamed for all that goes wrong in society on top of it all.
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>>117903993
Frantic was the better movie change my mind
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>>117904764
Tony Scott used to make good movies
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>>117932122
True Romance was a match made in heaven.
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>>117904935
A live-action cartoon for virgins.
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>>117917405
Why not, everybody else has.
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>>117905228
It didnt predict, it extrapolated
Everything that was depicted in this movie was already happening by that time IRL.
God bless America :)
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>>117932147
This. Ridiculously underrated movie.
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>>117927065
A decade is a decent length of time ago, especially on terms of films.
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>>117932286
it never was underrated
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>>117905562
To be honest, aside from Zola algorithm making no sense, the fact that they pretty much made Shield the enemy is pretty cool and felt impactful. I am not saying it's a good action thriller, I am saying it's pretty good for capeshit flick.
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>>117904572
The average movie goer in 2019 is a very simple person.
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If you ask the average person what they do and dont like in a focus meeting they will always pick low IQ pleb things.
If you let a director make his movie on his own the audience has to make an effort to appreciate the directors vision.
Directors making their own movies results in more great movies but also more flops.

Since Hollywood has decided you will go to the cinema no matter what, they would rather make bland movies by focus groups.

However I am not captive. I have stopped going to the cinema. I do other things now.
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>>117903993
They are made, they just never become huge box office hits because audiences would rather watch capeshit and remakes.
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>>117908052
>>MI: Fallout
How is this 'dad action'?
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>>117931341
the king is here
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>>117933762
Dads love stunts
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I miss good cop movies
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>>117904135
Yup.
No one in China wants to think, and that's whom movies are made for at this point.
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>>117925628
not much
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>>117905548
Was it good? I miss Ford Kino.
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Threads like this make me sad.
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Because it doesn't have enough explosions or constant action to keep idiots interested.

>>117911471
Why do I feel like The Firm doesn't get enough love?
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>>117931341
To be fair, pointing out mistakes in continuity is criticism, not that it disproves everything else he said.
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>>117923057
good movie
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>>117911840
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>>117923057
I JUST WANT TO GO HOME
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>>117922962
Love it
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>>117935018
Not its not, retard. It's like pointing out grammar mistakes in literary criticism.
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>>117904572
The average movie goer manages to get confused while watching fucking marvel movies
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>>117927208
>actually believing the chink propganda
The absolute state of obsessed faggots
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The 90’s pumped out some tense, dramatic, cthriller movies usually around political intrigue or crime. Before streaming my roommates and I would buy these movies for like 50 cents a pop on VHS at goodwill and watch them together over beers. Super comfy.
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>>117903993
>stop making movies like this
>wow no one wants to see them
this is a bad article
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>>117903993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij8-ZrDSADk
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>>117927208
Banter needs to be based on truth to be funny anon.
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>>117922962
KINO
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>>117903993
YOU SWITCHED THE SAMPLES
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>>117910123
>it's just economic factors!
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>>117915634
TTSS had a great 80s TV adaptation, it's all you need
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>>117904903
>I DIDNT KILL MY WIFE
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>>117930472
I meant us marshals cause it's the sequel to the fugitive. enemy of the state is completely unrelated



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