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Was the Rolling Stones right to give this a 1/5?
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wrong, shoudl've given it a 0
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>>108354574
Why?
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>>108354595
pleb looking for reactions
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It just sucked. Felt like a huge waste of time. All for what? So him and Virgil can be in an old spice commercial?
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>>108354555
No. I guess they thought they had to virtue signal, showcasing their complete misunderstanding of the movie. I honestly don't get how this is even remotely controversial.
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critics are disinclined to acknowledge the beauty of decay
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>>108354697
It did seem like a film that would be more fun to analyze and autistically take apart than to watch, there's way too many moving parts to care about what's going on or what the ending means in the first viewing of the film.
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Yeah, because the boomers who read Rolling Stone would never like it.
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>>108354555
I thought it was bretty good
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>>108354555
Just imagining how much the reviewers who hated it must' have been seething warms my heart.
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>>108354932
>I thought it was bretty good
Why?
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Did a 1080p uncut version ever get put online in the end?
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I thought the red hats were a little on the nose.
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>>108354574
FPBP, LVT is a stupid hack and hasn't made one honest film in his life.
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>>108354555
the violence against women was pretty funny. easily makes it a 4/5 imo
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>>108355102
I need this.
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>>108354932
t. Non-Rolling Stone subscriber
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>>108355191

I wonder what they would have rated it if Jack was Jill ? Then it might be a triumph who's time was overdue.
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>>108355011
I like the fact that he fumbled a lot of the murders, usually serial killers in movies are shown as perfect killing machines that have it all calculated and never make a mistake. It was a lot more on the nose than his other films but I liked it regardless.
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>>108355191
The presentation of those killings honestly made me think it all was made up within Jack's mind. it was weird as fuck that Uma Thurman would say exactly what a serial killer would want to hear so he REALLY doesn't feel bad about killing the shit out of you. "Simple" and the old widow lady and the surreal nature of the back and forth between him and Virgil made it even harder to believe that any of this wasn't just metaphor inside some sick fuck's brain or an unreliable narrator but the movie gave little real indication of that. At most the whole movie is a metaphor for...something?
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Was Verge really in the background of all those scenes? I don't remember seeing him but then again I also didn't see the dancing bear in that one old Internet video.
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"Dude muh nihilism"

- Lars Von Faggot
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>>108355460
It was definitely being shown how jack remembered it vs what actually happened.
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>>108355151
This but Dancer in the Dark is still good
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why is some band from the 70s rating movies? why do i care what some 80 year old geriatric rocker thinks?
also, this movie was trash, it should have got a 0/5
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An impressive feat of cinema. LVT solidifying himself as the only one who can rival Tarantino in the league of being a complete fucking hack
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not that anyone cares, i couldn't care less about the rating/reviews, all i can say is that i've really enjoyed watching a movie after a long fucking time and i watch a shit ton of movies
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>>108355451
That's fair, I liked how clumsy and borderline asking to be caught he was too. I was relieved that all of those would-be shish kebabs got rescued by the end though.
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>>108354736
I read this in Virgil's voice for some reason
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>>108355724
My fiance and I are the same way. This film motivated me to go back and watch a bunch of LVT films, I've enjoyed all of them. I dont understand why people hate THTJB other than being too sensitive to the violence.
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>>108355523
I didn't notice him but I really don't want to play Where's Waldo with a 2 hour and 30 minute film.

I'm curious on why he was there in the first place.
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>>108355764
>he almost got caught for something he didn't do.
Maximum kek
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>>108355843
That scene was pretty good, I like how the old man dropped the gun just to pick it back up again.
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>>108355843
Its very appropriate that something inspired by "The Divine Comedy" have dark comedy moments itself.
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So lars is going to make another movie about serial killer? He usually does movies in loose trilogies
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>>108355995
>The Divine Comedy
Isn't it just called "The Divine Comedy" because it has a good ending while tragedies back then had bad endings?

Dunno if I'm taking your post too autistically.
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>>108356348
You're correct, it was called a comedy because it had a good ending, rather than a tragic one.
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Where did jack end up in the end?
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Postmodernism was a mistake
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>>108354555
I didn’t know the stones watched von trier. What did Mick think?
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>>108356099
What would the theme of a new trilogy be? THTJB could be any number of things
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>>108356509
The deepest pit of hell. Jack reveived the punishment he had come to yearn for.
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>>108356509
chilling with Lucifer by the looks of it.
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>>108356625
What was with the negative? I didn't quite catch all they said about the negative of a photo.
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>>108356680
>What was with the negative?
Something about dark sun.
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>>108356680
Jack had spoken about how he would see "The darkness in the light", which you can take to mean a few different things when you take into account how twisted he was. The negative at the end could be taken to mean that him falling into the deepest pit of hell should be taken as a good thing (rather than a bad thing), which it is in the scheme of things. I'd have to watch the film again to come up with something more thorough.
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>>108356873
Not that anon, but what was about seeing men mowing the field?
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>>108356873
>The negative at the end could be taken to mean that him falling into the deepest pit of hell should be taken as a good thing (rather than a bad thing), which it is in the scheme of things
That makes sense, he did seem as if he wanted to get his just desserts, even though he was addicted to his "artistry" and couldn't escape that cycle on his own.
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>>108354555
>the rolling stones
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>>108357022
I thought of another way to put it: The film ends with him falling into darkness, while the negative shows him being consumed by the light (divine punishment)
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Speaking of the hell sequence, I liked the part of it that showed the actors actually in a claustrophobic underground cave, with none of the Hollywood magic added on until the next scene.

Made the descent to the underworld feel more relatable.
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So killing people fixed his OCD?
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>>108357099
>The film ends with him falling into darkness, while the negative shows him being consumed by the light (divine punishment)
Kino.

What did you make of the house(s)? Both the wooden ones and the "house" that him and Virgil enter into.
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>>108357296
It was either a cure or just "treatment" that wore off, which is why he had to keep doing it.
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>>108357296
He was a monster, killing was just in his nature. Jack began to become increasingly more sloppy as a form of thrill-seeking.
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>>108354911
The ending chapter is LITERALLY titled the EXACT word for what happens.

I will say if this isn't like, your third or fourth Von Trier film it'll completely fly over your head, especially since sections of it reference his earlier stuff.

Next to Anti-Christ and Melancholia, this feels like a good continuation of his ideas. The idea that some of the conversations are more painful to watch than the murders is on the nose, but I did laugh quite a bit.

It might be Von Trier's "funniest" movie.
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>>108357348
The house next to the creek was beautiful. It seemed so remote and removed from anything or anyone else, which gave it a really peaceful feel for me. The fact that they came upon it from a cave also gave that whole area such a sense of mystery.

What part of hell/the divine comedy was that supposed to be?
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>>108357462
i remember something like walking between two lamp-posts - the more he seeks pleasure the more pain overwhelms him and he has to continue cycle
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>>108355460
The whole movie is Von Trier more or less explaining why he shows horrible things in his films, or at least putting forward his argument for it. To his credit, Virg smacked him down quite soundly a few times, which I liked. Von Trier recognizes that some of it is just him being a weird fuck and this movie felt like a partial concession to that point.

The back and forth dynamic between Jack and Virge was pretty amazing and landed better for me than the back and forth dialogue of say, Nymphomaniac.
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>>108354555
I loved it HOWEVER

Way too much try hard dialogue, pretty pretentious.

Not enough murdering, don't sell it as a movie about a serial killer then not have it as the focus
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>>108357348
Jack was never pleased with the other houses because the materials were wrong. Jack was an "artist" who used human bodies to express himself, such as the photographs and "real life sculptures".
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>>108356509
Literally the deepest pit of Hell, into which he falls at least half-willingly. It was actually really amazing to watch a movie with a completely horrible character that ends up getting EXACTLY what he deserved for it by the end.

Von Trier pushes it so far with Jack that I figured any ending for him wouldn't be as cathartic as it should be, and holy fuck was I wrong. It's practically the anti-American Psycho as a film. I loved it.
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THTJB was honestly one of the best kino we had in a year filled with capeshit. Even if you don't like it you must admit it stills leaves a lot of room for discussion, but REAL discussion, not meme shit like pointing out potholes from IW and shit.
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>>108357791
isnt the lowest level reserved for traitors? if so then who did he betray?
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Post the kid, what was his name again?
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>>108356926
Not him but oh shit, that's an easy one to answer.The Elysian Fields were the resting place of heroes. I took it to be Virge giving Jack a glimpse of what his own personal Heaven might have been, which connected back with his childhood. Being a circle of Hell, he can only watch and not take part or stay, hence Virge saying "We don't have access here."
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>>108356509
>>108357791
Had Jack listened to Vergil where would he of ended up?

He wasn't supposed to fall down that pit.
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>>108357701
>>Way too much try hard dialogue, pretty pretentious.
>Not enough murdering, don't sell it as a movie about a serial killer then not have it as the focus
If it didn't have the dialogue and sequence at the end I would wonder why the movie would even be made by someone like Von Trier. The scenes were all very odd for a serial killer movie and the dialogue helped make sense of it all.
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>>108357935
Probably the circle reserved for violent people (don't remember the number, maybe seventh).
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>>108357863
oh, my bad. I thought the same (about elysian fields) but dismissed it as too obvious.
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movie was kino die women >:)
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>>108357479
>It might be Von Trier's "funniest" movie.
Don't forget about The Idiots
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>>108357856
Virgil said that Jacks place was "a few levels up", he only fell in because he tried to climb across.
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>>108354555
I really enjoyed it, its probs one of my favorite films of all time, I showed it to my bestfriend and he really enjoyed it aswell. It it's is undoubtedly one of the best films of the year
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>>108357860
Grumpy :^)
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>>108354555
well it's edgy and pretentious as fuck, but that's to be expected with Trier

none of his movies are "good" in an objective sense.
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>>108357856
Can't speak on that as I'm not well versed in circles of Hell, but it's portrayed as an endless pit and I believe Virge says something like "That's how deep the deepest Hell goes". He even tells Jack it's not where he's to be delivered, he just wanted to show him as a courtesy since Jack "gave him something to chew on with his stories". Jack being Jack manages to fall into it anyway.

I don't believe it's spelled out to the degree you might be looking for. It'll definitely be a movie I rewatch for a long time. It's such a rare thing to find artists like Von Trier.
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>>108357791
>It's practically the anti-American Psycho
But Bateman was stuck in his own personal hell at the end. He couldn't even confess to anyone.

NO EXIT
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>>108358051
>"good" in an objective sense
t. calls people nihilists as an insult, even if they clearly care about things
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>>108357935
>He wasn't supposed to fall down that pit.

Well aware, but being the second poster you replied to I'm confused. The fact that it may not be where he was "supposed to" end up doesn't change the fact that he deserved it, since he goes half-willingly. Virge even threw his hands up after he told Jack "bye".

He deserved it because he attempted to cross and in doing so avoid all consequence for his actions. He got EXACTLY what he deserved for that.
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>>108354555
It's appreciation (or lack thereof) of art. Can't be right or wrong, since there's no way to be objective about it.

Personally I thought it was very good, almost great.
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>They cut the movie because killing two kids and cutting a tit off while on camera is too much
>Double black penetration in his previous movie was ok tho

What did they mean by this?
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>>108354555
first lars movie i've seen and i loved it. only thing i disliked was the ending, i'd of had him reached the staircase because art=divine and through art Jack ascended not just mortality but hell too
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>>108358306
That was cut for the Theatrical Cut
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>>108357569
Do you mean in the fields? I don't remember a house there but that was a very beautiful scene.

or do you mean the water damaged, uncompleted house next to the lake that looked like a kid's abandoned fort?

>What part of hell/the divine comedy was that supposed to be?
If you're talking about the fields then it's the Elysian Fields where the virtuous and heroic end up. Dunno if that's in Dante's works though.
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>>108356535
Inferno, Purgatory, Paradiso.
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>>108354555
Why didn't Mick Jagger like it????
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>>108358093
There's fairly good evidence in American Psycho that the murders were in his head. There's two scenes in the movie where he's taking medication for something unspecified. I believe the idea is that he's merely a psychopath, hence the title being American Psycho instead of American Murderer.

Even with Jack I wasn't convinced his were actually happening until he got his punishment for them. The bodies hanging around in scenes after they'd been killed was a pretty good reminder of them too, while Bateman only has his drawings.

Bateman is a character who receives none of the punishment he 'deserves'. Jack receives precisely what he ought to. It's an interesting contrast in my opinion.
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>>108358313
>First Lars movie

Welcome, now go back a bit. AntiChrist and Melancholia are god-tier films.
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>>108358514
>AntiChrist and Melancholia are god-tier films.
I liked AntiChrist but Melancholia was just ok.
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>>108358475
>There's fairly good evidence in American Psycho that the murders were in his head
Confirmed that everything actually happens. The movie's biggest fault is accidentally giving the impression that they didn't actually took place, but I you read the book it's a easier to understand.
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>>108358313
Stop watching. You're clearly retarded.
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>>108358514
Breaking the Waves and Dancer in the Dark were also pretty good. His best was Dogville tho.
Can't say the same about The Idiots, that's a very love it or hate it kind of film
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>>108358514
>>108358313
Antichrist, Melancholia, Dancer in the Dark, Braking The Waves, Idioterne, Dogville, The Element of Crime are all god-tier
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Are there any movies with similar reality "aspect" to trier ones?
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>>108358379
There was a scene, after it cuts to them walking around in the caves with the shitty Go-Pro, where you see rivers flowing together and two waterwheels, one frozen.

At first I thought it might have been the house and woods from AntiChrist and freaked the shit out. I'm still not convinced that wasn't the Eden "Her" described in AntiChrist, especially Her talking about hearing the cry of everything that's going to die all at once. They talked about that exact sound in this movie, too.
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What was with his fetish for cutting grass?
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>>108358593
I thought that might be the case (with the book) but I'd disagree that the director "accidentally" gave that impression. The ambiguity felt pretty deliberate and may have been a directorial decision, verisimilitude aside.
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>>108358818
The writer of the script said in an interview that it was unintentional. I think the biggest difference is that in the movie the whole thing from the rampage to the ending at the bar happens overnight, while in the book weeks if not months pass by. Is therefore harder to believe that all that shit happens and is ignored in 24 hours.
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>>108359000
>The writer said it was unintentional

And the director? I'm not trying to give you shit about it, but it's so inconsistent with how clearly and articulately everything else is spelled out in the film.

Did he ever mention what the pills he's taking are for, then? We see him take something immediately before killing Paul Allen, then again on the phone when he calls his secretary. The last phone call with his secretary paints him as a really unreliable narrator.
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>>108358306
because kikes like interracial porn on the big screen
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>>108359245
The pills werexanax I think, or something similar.
My impression is that they just delivered the message badly. Having the murders being fake would destroy the point of the story.
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>>108358379
The house with the frozen water wheel. It struck me as really beautiful for some reason. A place you could spend a few weeks away from anyone else.
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I liked the movie before coming to this thread, tell me why should I dislike it
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>>108358514
lmao what
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>>108357805
People couldn't see past the subject matter to see the quality of the film, which is so sad because so many people won't ever get to see such a well made, quality film. Say what you want about the subject matter, the director, whoever, the film was still amazing.
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>>108358171
The artist never stops striving; pushing the boundaries of what is meant to be or what others say. It's much of what he was saying throughout the film, and so he kept pushing. People also take it to stand for what Lars Von Trier himself does. Even if people hate him for it, he still strives to make something great.
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>>108359434
The House that Jack Built is a strange place to start with Von Trier. You can watch it, but understanding why the arguments are made that are made only comes from seeing a bit more of Von Trier's stuff, especially given that he cuts sections of his other movies into this one. Context helps with this film, I think.

>>108359506
>People couldn't see past the subject matter to see the quality of the film

This seems to be the trend with von Trier. I had a friend pretty ambivalent about Melancholia, because they saw it as a poorly made film about the end of the world instead of a magnificent film about two sisters.

You take the most vague, low resolution picture of what the movie is about and claim that's what should have been focused on. That's why cunts like Rolling Stone give his stuff a 1/5 because who would wanna watch a film about a serial killer, amirite?

>>108359577
And there's no doubt that the farthest depths of Hell are filled with artists such as Jack. Good point.
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>>108359780
i'm not the poster you replied to, retard.

>Welcome, now go back a bit. AntiChrist and Melancholia are god-tier films.

I was calling out this garbage tier statement. Seriously, watch more movies, kid.
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>>108359780
>That's why cunts like Rolling Stone give his stuff a 1/5 because who would wanna watch a film about a serial killer, amirite?
This is why I don't go by reviews of anything anymore. Especially when it concerns works of people such as LVT. He's not some untouchable genius, but today's society (in which we live in) cannot see beyond outrage.

This reminds me when people en masse dismissed the sex scenes in Blue is the Warmest Color as crass and unnecessary.
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>its an accurate movie about a serial killer
>killing people is actually boring and pretty easy
>thus the movie is pretty boring

seems cut and dry to me.
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>>108360255
it's a satire
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Virgil and Jack's art debates were pretty interesting. Virgil mocking Jack's depravity was pretty funny as well. At least Von Trier's self aware
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>>108359845
I love how you can't wrap your thick fucking walnut around the idea that The House that Jack Built isn't a good place to start with LVT.
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>>108362592
But Virgil was disgusted by Jack in the end.
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>>108363365
von Trier is also disgusting have you seen his face lmaoo
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>>108363680
its alright
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>>108363680
He has a haircut he clearly shouldn't have, but otherwise he looks like a generic boomer.
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>>108363365
Not really the point, they weren't supposed to agree, their entire descent is an argument about what he was doing versus what he claimed to be doing. And that anon is right, the discussions got morbid but they were at least interesting.

Hearing Virg finally break in, in anger, during Jack's monologue about The Noble Rot was great when he supplemented it with the point about Goethe and the tree.
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>>108363849
So he couldnt break into the room with virg earlier?
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>>108354574
Based
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>>108354555
Total pleb filter. Rolling Stone has been shit for decades. Fuck the haters. It's Kino 10/10.
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>>108364161
He never tried that hard before.
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>>108354555
it was based and all the women he killed deserved it if you think about it logically
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>>108364332
2nd kill was sloppy
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>>108364332
>decked in reasonable winter wear
>walking down side of the road with a flashlight so people can see you and you can see the path ahead
>deserving of death
That old lady did literally nothing wrong. This was during the 60s or 70s so it's not like she could've called an uber either.
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Anyone got that funny webm of the guy sniping? And it looks all really poorly done.
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This is one where I have to honestly say you're a fuxking pleb if you didn't like it. Especially if you're into serial killers. It's perfect from the perspective of the serial killer, how they may experience/view their own story. Also the part where Jack asks about the constant ringing as they approach hell and the answer. Too good.
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Like it overall. I went into it not even knowing it was directed by LVT and my heart sank a little when I realised. But I thought it was well balanced, Rattled along at a good pace, the conversation was engaging, and the black humour was pretty extreme. The only part I found uncomfortable was the 'duck scene' which for some reason took me completely by surprise and I found it genuinely upsetting. I was impressed with Matt Dillon and I'm glad he's able to work on interesting stuff at this stage of his career.
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>>108364562
Only the hunting one(s) wasn't(weren't) tbqh.

>>108364843
It's from the uncut version, that's probably why it looks kinda crappy, webm related isn't in the theatrical cut, kids still die but only the corpses are shown.

Though, the end scene has some kinda bad CGI too but it's not a big deal.
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>>108365185
God damn, it looks so weird, like those rigged 2D animations
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>>108365152
>The only part I found uncomfortable was the 'duck scene
I was pretty uncomfortable throughout but the duck part was definitely fucked up. Way more nonchalant than you'd expect.
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>>108365185
Holy shit good thing they ended up "censoring" that.
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>>108365152
What got me about the duck scene was how it just happened. No big musical reaction, or change in camera. It just happened out of nowhere, very matter-of-factly.
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>>108365185
It just proves that movie is meant to be a satire
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>>108365185
Do you have the other cut scene?
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>>108365462
>>108366185
Totally. I thought about it a lot afterwards. It's so awful and unnecessary, but it still contains humour; the shot of the duck moving in circles due to the loss of equilibrium. I felt bad for finding that funny but isn't that the point? That instant switch from empathy to cruelty. Very clever film making. I'd loved to have felt the reaction in a cinema screening.
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>>108354555
>Rolling Stones
>Now doing film reviews
How low the mighty etc.
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>>108368355
those hacks have been doing shitty reviews for decades. back in the 90's they would have the same movie sucked off, then shit on in the review section in different reviews.

they were even worse at movies than they were with music. SPIN was better than them.



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