on a ship like this doing constant exploration and whatever else starfleet assigns it to do 24 hours a day, shoulnd't there technically be three sets of senior crews (ie three captains + senior staff) working 3 shifts of 8 hours each, on account of the fact that the day/night cycle doesn't even exist? or does the enterprise just go hide in some neubla to idle for 12 to 16 hours when picard and the senior finish their shifts?
>>108353084What’s with all the Star Trek threads?
>>108353084There was at least one scene of the night shift crew being relieved in an episode.
>>108353137yes but technically the "night shift crew" isn't supposed to be inherently any less important or powerful on account of the day/night cycle not even existing. unless the ship is supposed to just idle somewhere when picard and co are not on duty like i alluded to. but if the ship continues on it with her regular duties the "night shift crew" should theoretically just as important and powerful as the regular senior staff.
>>108353225You are confusing rank and role. Any bridge officer can act as captain when needed, like if mr kirk get killed or has to tinkle or whatever.
>>108353084As a "flagship," it should also be accompanied by at least a moderate escort. I don't care what anyone says about its mission being primarily exploratory, with the number of hostiles they encounter on a regular basis and as a ship carrying entire families, science teams and civilian passengers, it's frankly irresponsible not to have support ships.
>>108354096assuming the enterprise does not go into some kind of "idle mode" when the senior staff are relieved there should be no real distinction between rank and role because there is no real day and night cycle. ships IRL obviously anchor at night for the most part and are taken over by a night crew that just keeps the ice cubes cold so to speak. unless the enterprise also "anchors" in such a way the staff relieving the senior staff as a "night crew" would in theory have to be just as powerful and competent and have just as much experience because the ship is truly operating on a 24 hour schedule constantly.
>>108353084>3 shiftsI beg you pardon?
>>108354440one time i called him 'asshole'
>>108354309Interesting that you post Macross 7 as an example, as the -D was originally meant to function the same way as the Battle 7+City 7 combo worked, with the saucer separating and staying behind while the stardrive section actually fought enemies. They only ended up doing it a few times on TV though, as it chewed through the episode budgets and one clip show episode was bad enough.As for other ships in the fleet? It would have made sense for the -D to use that massive hangar to launch/recover a fleet of runabouts that served the scouting/escort role, but again, they almost certainly didn't have the budget for that, either.
>>108354440Came back from the future to post him.
>>108354660>as it chewed through the episode budgetswhy would this chew through the budget? it was already filmed, they could just reuse it over and over again like they did with all of the other exterior shots for 7 seasons
>>10835432424/24 work schedule are common on all kinds of modern vessels, military or otherwise, but you still wouldn't want to have 3x the senior crew because that would be a gigantic waste of human resources. In practice as long as you have at least 2 reasonably competent commanding officers you can run a 24/7 schedule with the rest of the crew being 18 years old retards. A bit of redundancy is welcome of course.But that wouldn't apply to a space ship. It's not like you need around-the-clock combat readiness when you are cruising for months at a time trough absolute emptiness. In this case they probably do stick to simple day/night schedule most of the time. 3x8 is a bitch on morale and team cohesion so you would never impose it for no reason.tldr you got it completely the wrong way around
>>108355150i don't understand. a space ship cruising the literal unknown 24 hours a day would need to be on high alert constantly, which would obviously mean they would need three redundant senior crews all with an equal amount of competency and experience even. whereas a real military ship could just anchor at night in charted waters and revolve around an "actual" day/night cycle, a starship doing exploratory duty wouldn't be able to do this. a starship would essentially need to be in "day" mode 24 hours a day.how do i have this reversed plz explain
>>108353084No. Anyone who takes the bridge officer exam can command the bridge. Geordi was a goddamn LtJg and he did it twice in season 1.It's just a little unrealistic that the entire senior staff is almost always manning the bridge in the show. That shit hardly ever happens in a navy except during a major crisis.>>108354660Actually, the saucer separation gimmick was meant to save budget (eat up airtime and have only one half of the -D model to shoot and do effects with). It was cancelled because the stardrive section didn't look good standalone and because writers didn't see the point of doing this shit every time the -D went into battle.
>>108354324>assuming the enterprise does not go into some kind of "idle mode" when the senior staff are relieved there should be no real distinction between rank and role because there is no real day and night cycle. ships IRL obviously anchor at night for the most part and are taken over by a night crew that just keeps the ice cubes cold so to speak.Are you retarded? You think fucking submarines just stop and anchor at night?You dont know what a fucking Captain, XO, watch commander, ect is? You do realize navies exist in real life, yes?
>>108355537>Are you retarded? You think fucking submarines just stop and anchor at night?nuclear submarines and the protocols that dictate their behaviors are obviously not indicative of ships as a whole.
>>108355537>another mansplaining boat lover
>>108355395>It's just a little unrealistic that the entire senior staff is almost always manning the bridge in the show. That shit hardly ever happens in a navy except during a major crisis.Well it's a damn good thing that Stark Trek is science fiction about Starfleet and not a documentary about the Navy then, isn't it?
>>108355537>You dont know what a fucking Captain, XO, watch commander, ect is? You do realize navies exist in real life, yes?i know what captain, x0, and watch commanders are this entire thread is obviously about how star trek gets away wtih portraying them on duty at the same time all of the time instead of rotating shifts
>>108355395>It's just a little unrealistic that the entire senior staff is almost always manning the bridge in the showOr maybe it's because we only see the bridge while something interesting/important is happening and thus the entire senior staff is there.
>>108355605>nuclear submarines and the protocols that dictate their behaviors are obviously not indicative of ships as a whole.1. Naval combat ships on patrol do not "drop anchor and rest at night"2. Star Trek ships are based off submarines anyways
>>108355671Except Starfleet is modelled pretty closely after the US navy.Anyway, It's more or less implied that Picard or Riker man the bridge through most of the day with Data there for the graveyard shift.
>>108353084>WHY DON'T THEY MAKE THIS SHOW LESS PRACTICAL AND MORE BORING FOR THE SAKE OF REALISM?!?!!?This is why you faggots aren't in charge of TV.
>>108355780>2. Star Trek ships are based off submarines anywayswhich makes their portraly of the senior staff on duty all together at the same time all the more vexing. obviously picard should be in the seat for 8 hours, to be relieved by riker 8 hours, to be relieved by data for 8, yet they're constantly jumbled all together constantly
>>108355688>i know what captain, x0, and watch commanders are this entire thread is obviously about how star trek gets away wtih portraying them on duty at the same time all of the time instead of rotating shiftsBecause it's about those characters and not Ensign Joe Blow. In real life when a ship enters combat the Captain and XO enter the bridge and take over, if battle stations is called all crew are alerted, the entire ship is active.
>>108353084>gleefully forgetting that Star Trek doesn’t shown the mundane shit>gleefully forgetting that whenever anything happens Picard is summoned to the bridgeComputer, disengage brain protocols
>>108353104its an autistic neet who used to be contained in a general but since that general now has too many memes for his liking hes going full retard and making a million star trek threads a dayhe literally has no job or hobbies outside of star trek
>>108355875Either you're shit posting at this point or you literally dont know how a television show is written.
>>108353084When there isn't action there doesn't seem to be that many people on the bridge The senior crew seems like they just fuck around and do random things most of the time until they get called to the bridge
Space Coke they dont need to sleep
>>1083553631) regular day/night schedule with 8 solid hours of quiet time is the best for psychological reasons so you don't want to deviate from that unless absolutely necessary2) most of the crew in trek are civilians or scientists and have absolutely no need for any kind of 24/24 readiness in their daily activities3) space travel is fucking boring and takes ages so even senior officers wouldn't deviate from that unless they are in a combat zone or whateverYour idea kinda looks like it might make sense for a small military vessel but even then the common practice is to stick to day/night except for a skeleton alert crew, and when shit hits the fans you sound the alarm, pop your go pills and are ready to kick ass for a few days before the paranoia and hallucinations get to you.
>>108353084I recall many times on TNG where Picard is sleeping and comes out in his bathrobe and it's just Riker and a bunch of nobodies on the bridge.
>>108355963for purposes of canon everything we see on screen is supposed to be taken literally and at face value
>>108355844>Except Starfleet is modelled pretty closely after the US navy.And yet it's not the US Navy. So take your "MUH REALISM" guidelines and fuck off.>>108356026This. It's not that Picard and crew were ALWAYS on the bridge, but the show just tended to focus on those moments because why the fuck would you bloat the show with a bunch of nobodies just for the sake of realism?
they could just have data run everything. he doesnt need sleep
>>108356111They pretty much took advantage of that. He was the night watch guy, the one time I can think of them actually showing night watch.
>>108356093Because the nobodies can be more entertaining and following their lives can be far more satisfying than whatever autistic shit Geordi is up to. ie. Rom.
>>108356025okay so picard and the entire senior staff do their 8 hour shift all together. who is manning the bridge the other 16 hours of the day, which are no less dangerous or requiring of a highly competent senior staff with experience than the 8 hours that picard and co covered. don't make appeals to how it is done in real life with a captain putting in an 8 hour shift to be replaced by an xo to be replaced by a second officer etc., ONLY explain it in universe and exactly how it is portrayed in the material. proptip: you can't. because for 8 hours the entire senior staff is all working together all on the same schedule. maybe 12. but that still means there is an entire 12 to 16 hours of time that an interstellar ship doing an explanatory mission needs to be commanded and managed. forget the scientists and civilians on the ship. they're off doing whatever, they're non critical, it doesn't really matter how they organize their shifts. >>108356111not every ship in star fleet has data
>Star Trek is based off the Navy, particularly Submarines.>Star Trek fags have absolutely no interest in naval history to the point they dont understand basic crew work Pathetic
>>108356218Picard and Riker probably dont even spend 1 hour on the bridge most days
>>108356342>interstellar navies are supposed to work the same way terrestrial maritime navies work despite the fact that there is no actual sunrise/sunset cycle and the fact that a fleet of romulan warbirds or a borg cube can literally pop out of nowhere literally at any time without warning >>108356344you mean they don't spend more than hour together on the bridge most days?
>>108356463>>interstellar navies are supposed to work the same way terrestrial maritime navies work despite the fact that there is no actual sunrise/sunset cycle and the fact that a fleet of romulan warbirds or a borg cube can literally pop out of nowhere literally at any time without warningYou're pretty caught up on sun/night cycles despite the fact that is literally not how naval crews work.A shift is a shift. The captain and xo can be on the bridge at any time. Here's an idea, learn how actual ship crews work.
>>108356342>HURRR THERE ARE RULES TO HOW YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ENJOY ENTERTAINMENT MEDIA!!!faggot
>>108356632>Here's an idea, learn how actual ship crews work.Here's an idea: who cares? The Enterprise D is not an actual ship.
>>108353084It's a tv show and the bridge is designed to get all the main characters together on screen. It's why even people like the Chief Engineer and that telepathic weirdo were there at the same time.
>>108356632it's not the point how actual shifts on ships work because the shifts portrayed on TNG don't follow it for the most part. riker is rarely seen actually relieving picard and taking second shift and data the autismo is on the bridge 24/7 and when riker is actually on the bridge he's basically functioning as an adjutant for picard
2x 12 hour shifts > 4x 6 hour shifts > POWER GAP > 1x 24 slave labor shift > 3x 8 hour shift
>>108356699>>108356729>ANON Wants to know how an actual crew would function in space on a naval ship...>all Anon has to do is look at what Star Trek is based off of..>"Anon: "noooo fuck you! REEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
>>108356964okay i understand star trek would function like that if star trek were real but going by what we see on the screen star trek DOESN'T function like that, captain first and second officer are almost ALWAYS on the bridge and on duty together meaning there is in theory another 1 to 3 sets of senior crews operating in a similar fashion that we never see
>>108357102>meaning there is in theory another 1 to 3 sets of senior crews operating in a similar fashion that we never seeNo. There is one senior crew who run a main/day shift and 2-3 less important shifts crewed by junior bridge officers. We see the senior crew having emergency meetings all the time, it's just them. It doesn't operate like modern ships, I'm sorry that this bothers you so much but that's just how it is.
>>108356964>ANON Wants to know how an actual crew would function in space on a naval shipNobody wants to know that except for autists. Normal people just accept that the show gives us>in space>naval shipActually, Star Trek wasn't really based on the Navy very much apart from the terms and the fact that they're on a ship. In fact, I was just reading yesterday how the cast didn't like that so many naval influences were shoehorned into the Kirk movies because they felt it wasn't part of the show's original intent.
>>108357102There's more on the Enterprise that you dont see. Yes.There's also a whole fucking city of civilians and enough people to start a colony on a planet that you dont see either
ITT: butthurt Navy fanboys who want to flex that they know something about something and can tell when things on TV don't match that
>>108357183>having your entire senior crew work in one shift and have their responsibilities taken over by 2-3 less experienced junior crews when there is NO discernible difference between the shift that the senior staff labels as "day" and the other labeled as "swing" and "night"do you understand why this is bad in the context of an interstellar vessel
>>108354309it is to my understanding that Starfleet claims to be a "humanitarian" fleet.I also don't think -D server as a military important ship, but is rather an Diplomatic Envoy, as its essentially a glorified space liner with phasers and photon torps, though I would say this a poorly though out title for -D.Thirdly, before Borg showed up, Romulans revealed the new Warbirds and Klingons but the Vorcha, it was one of the most advanced ships in Alpha/Beta quadrant.it is only after these encounters that federation starts actually looking towards war ships like Saber, Akira, Steamrunner and stand outs like Defiant and Prometheus. Starfleet in general seems a bit incompetent or underrepresented in TNG, with there being Fed colonies that haven't seen ships in years, and as I understand, while Federation might be massive from one side to the other, a lot of stuff in the middle are unincorporated planets that either didn't want to or were not eligible to join.In the first season or 2, Starfleet lost a sister ship of Enterprise to some NEET living in a space hole and got their HQ taken over by Proto-go'ulds>>108355395>That shit hardly ever happens in a navy except during a major crisisThat is every other episode though.
>>108357309I understand why you don't like it, but that's just how it is. Think of it this way maybe - the single senior crew are effectively on duty all day every day. The night shift is just when they are physically required to sleep, so it's crewed by junior officers. It's not that it's less important, but space is so hilariously dangerous that they need all the top staff on the bridge at the same time all the time.
>>108357323>That is every other episode though.This. The show pretty much only ever shows us the important/exciting/dangerous moments where the entire senior staff is on duty, and autists get butthurt because they think that signifies that the senior staff is ALWAYS on duty. Christ, Star Trek really is too smart.People who only exists to try and draw lines between reality and fiction are the worst fucking people. Nobody cares except for you because you're just trying to show off that you think you know something about something.
>>108357437should have done an episode with one of the pimply faced junior crews dealing with a surprise visit from q while picard and co. were snoozing
>>108357597>Q arrives on voyager>Janeway doesn't immediately pin him down and make him zap them homeVoyager was fucking trash
>>108357721why was q even corporeal whenever he chose to manifest himself anyway. why not just manifest as a hologram instead of allowing himself to be manhandled by worf or whatever
>>108358227He was a bored asshole
>>108357721>shows up on tng, voyager, AND ds9do you suppose q fucked with every single federation vessel at some point in the 24th century. imagine he showed up to fuck with some dinky little research vessel that never leaves federation space chastizing all of the crew members for never making anything of themselves. better yet imagine if he showed up on romulan or klingon vessels of the era too. or maybe even the borg. they should have done an episode with q fucking with the borg in some way.
>>108353084> senior crews (ie three captains + senior staff)3 captains for one ship? Do you know how ship operate?
>>108353084Probably one captain and two XOs in shifts
>>108358570i obviously didn't mean captain in rank, but "captain" as in role
>>108358505I like the idea that Picard wasn't special and Q actually went around pissing off every ship's captain in the quadrant>or maybe even the borg. they should have done an episode with q fucking with the borg in some way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FGvMdhG80
>>108353084The crew work 12 hour shifts. Senior officers are on call 24 hours a day. I'm sorry to break this to you zoomers but you're never going to get ahead working 8 hours a day
>>108353084Already covered Anon.