As a European, what are my main chances and opportunities of being able to move to Switzerland if I don't have a bachelor but also don't know any of the official main languages?
If Albanian? 100% chancesIf not? 0% chances
It is unfortunately pretty easy for europe’s lowest scum to move here.
>>1626665How? They got family there or something that gets them in? Or they just hide out there until they find a job or something?
Are you an EU citizen? If yes then pretty easy because Freedom of Movement applies to you.
Freedom of movement applies. Go there and apply at bars/restaurants etc until you get offered a job and then let them sponser a work visa for you. However wages are being suppressed but you'll still make about 30-40 euro an hour doing minimum wage jobs. Just make sure to live absolutely frugally while living there and saving up cash for back at home.
>>1626716>>1626712Is it really as simple as that?
>>1628079What are they going to do? It's literally your right to walk through Switzerland. If someone offers you a job while you're there then they have the right to hire you.Europe is the land of the free anon.
>>1626306they have a foothold and will vote you in
>>1628099Thanks for the info anon, do you know a city where my rate to find a job is the highest as a foreigner
How about someone with a medical degree from the EU? I also speak pretty good German and basic Italian (working on it).
>>1628618With at least a C1 level in german it could work else extreme low.
>>1628629I be doing a C2 certificate. Guess I'll be trying to forge some connections this summer.
>>1628643Do that, but don't focus on the tier 1 cities like Zurich, Geneva and Lausanne. We need medical people of pretty much all ways down from certified nurses up to specialist doctors in the more rural areas like Glarus, Grabünden or outside of the cities in central Switzerland.Almost every Bezirk has a fully equipped hospital and working in one for a few years thats your stepping stone into everything.Just make sure your degree is accepted or viewed as "equivalent" in Switzerland else you might have to go back to school for up to 2 years.
>>1628669I'm 99% interested in rural Switzerland. The big cities are too competitive and i feel a certain nostalgia towards the Alps. I'm looking for jobs in fields like Hausarzt or rehabilitation medicine since they seem to be in demand, and are also less demanding.
>>1628695Hausarzt is complicated or almost impossible to get started with as a foreigner. The people there want a doc that speaks their dialect and will avoid you unless it's really the end of the world with no other option. >reputation and being known by the people is everything, so in the rural areas being part of the local football club and joining the volunteer fire brigade (this is a fucking big thing here) is mandatory as that is where the villages live and connections are made.
>>1628701Thank you for the wealth of information. Guess I'll apply for something other than Housearzt and hope I get a spot. Do you, by any chance, know which specialties are most in demand?
>>1628705Np bro, I'm a fellow MD so glad to help.I know the market for ophthalmologist got pretty much crashed due to a market liberation and those clinics are popping up everywhere and most go as quick as they opened.Always in high demand are actual psychiatrist (not the meme crystal healer) as they get a shitload of government money in rural areas, internal medicine and rheumatology.
>>1628562Other anon here, all the larger ones, Zurich, Basel, Geneva. You should speak one of the national languages tho. But again, for some reason that doesn't seem to apply to third world scum.
>>1626716>but you'll still make about 30-40 euro an hour doing minimum wage jobsFucking hell, I’m studying to be a surveyor which is considered a well paid job and I won’t be making anywhere close to 40 Euros an hour for many years. Should have fucked off to Switzerland.
>>1628726How urgent is the 'should'?
>>1628709How do medical specialties work in Switzerland (and in the German speaking world in general). I've been reading about it and it seems to be mostly 1 year internal 1 year surgery and 3-4 of the chosen field. What does the 1 year of surgery entail? Also when you said "psychiatrist" did you mean physiatrist(Physikalische Medizin) ? Because I don't see what crystals have to do with psychology.
Do I just walk into an establishment somewhere populous like Zurich and ask for a job until I land one?Where do I stay? A hotel? How long does it take to find an apartment?
>>1628747It sounds like a lot until you find out a beer also costs like 20 euro. It's great if you pocket everything and only work to save money but if you are actually living it's shit.>>1629994>How long does it take to find an apartment?Long. rent is insanely overprised and you won't be able to pay for one so you'll have to live in dorms and shared apartments with other foreign workers or students.Again your conditions are going to be shit and your life will suck while in switzerland but it's a great country to just grind for a couple of years and have a good amount of savings for a downpayment for mortgage back in your home country which is what I did when I was 18.
>>1629030>lack of professional terminology and easy to understand writing style is intended, it's 4chan and I don't want to turn it into a 1on1 convo The 1 year internal, 1year surgery is just to cover the basics of the trade any GP could encounter and making you fit to do more complicated stuff with instructions over the phone from a specialist when time is critical.The one year of surgery covered pretty much the basics enabling you to assist a specialist and do the basic ones on your own.Specialisations are Facharzt and there're endless numbers of it. They range from 3-4 years of training down to can be done in a year depending on how complicated/deep the field is and your previous specialisations that might cover x,y and z already.We lack actual professional Psychiatrists as well as Psychologists. The first are either old, overworked or decided to become prescription/sick note pusher the later are littered with new age spirit healer occultist freaks not short of literal snake oil merchants. The number of actual good people in the area is low and the demand is high.
>>1629999Shit, I wanna stay there permanently thoughCan I not just move to a region with less competition for rent after I actually get my work visa so my employers don't have a headache to worry about
>>1628079>>1626716>>1626295Moving there isn't that difficult.You will never get citizenship and will eventually be kicked out. Anyone who says otherwise is a retard.
>>1631105Literally impossible to kick you out as long as you have some kind of job.>citizenshipThe only advantage you get out of it as a normal EU/EEA citizen is the right to vote.
How is Switzerland for an English speaking software engineer?
>>1631141British, so English speaking but (at least by the time it’s relevant) won’t be EU
>>1631147Freedom of movement will continue to apply during the transition period after Brexit in case there isn't a no-deal event.
>>1631149To be honest no deal is looking pretty likely at this point. In any case, I was less concerned about how hard it is to get in and more about what it’s like once you’re there. For software jobs are there places that primarily use English in the workplace? Or is working there in a high skill job pretty unrealistic without fluency in a local language? Is the difference in pay generally good enough to offset the high living costs?
>>1631139>>1632157There is no real software industry in Switzerland. But that doesn't matter because literally scrubbing a toilet at some hotel will give you a wage of 36 british pounds an hour. It's very likely that is already more than you make in Britain right now as a software engineer. Please also realize a single beer is 18 pounds. So live like a fucking slave on stale bread and water while saving every penny for a couple of years and go home with 100k for your future retirement.
>>1628942>How urgent is the 'should'?Fairly urgent, in my experience as someone who recently moved to Switzerland. Outside of big professional contexts (big finance, big pharma/chemicals around here, big law), where some offices use English as the working language, there are hardly any workplaces that aren't local-language-medium. Basel, where I live, is chock full of foreigners (about 1/3 of the population, statistically almost all from France, Germany, and Italy, plus a handful of Anglos, Balkans, Indians, and Turks too). But even the ones waiting tables or working in kitchens or grocery stores speak Hochdeutsch at least. Most of them speak local dialect too. You can't tend bar if you can't understand what people are saying to you, and while most people CAN switch into English, they'd rather not.As an American, I was required to register for German classes before they would give me my residence permit (they're paid for by the canton, though).Perhaps you could do something like housecleaning, or maybe factory work? Then again, my housekeeper speaks fluent German despite being Cuban...