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Hiring season :3

How are your interviews/negotiations going?
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Link to previous thread: >>1554897
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60k usd yearly in Cambodia, you find your own housing and transport, only like 1 month off since you will be teaching off season classes also

IDK what is going on but nobody wants to work here, so private schools are paying quite well
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>>1585185
Probably because you'd have to live in Cambodia while most would rather go to Japan or Taiwan.
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What are the acceptable salary rates for working in China?

Also, would you recommend working at GABA to get to Japan and then search for better prospects?
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Anyone else starting with JET this year?
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>>1585185
What are you teaching? Any need for a CS professor at university level?
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pretty good, was expecting to go into dancing monkey english but got offered a stem-subject post in an awesome T2 city instead, going to cash in on private tutoring once i hit town.
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>>1585744
Which city?
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>>1585748
don't want to say but it is coastal
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anyone know if there are science teaching posts on the go in china? i have an engineering degree + celta but cannot into engineering for whatever reason.
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>>1585230
Hiring season is in november for my country and starts around march next year. Getting desperate since not even rikaiwas are hiring me.
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>>1585876
I think I've heard it's legal as long as you have both, but I've never met anyone who had an associate's. They either really have a bachelor's or they're faking having anything and working illegally. You should probably check whether your TEFL certificate is acceptable or not, I don't think all of them are.

If you aren't living in Taipei, you may be able to save that much. Even a bare minimum apartment in Taipei itself is going to cost you more than half your noob level pay.

After taxes, living on the outskirts, you will probably save around $500/mo. That's if you don't blow it on drinking. If you just rent a room in a shared apartment you might be able to save $800.
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>got offered comfy job teaching in outskrits of tokyo
>final year exam results come through
>fail almost all exams
>have to tell hirer, who was a really nice dude and keen to help me get a job, that im a fucking retard and completely fluffed my exams
>9 months later my resits start next week
>almost positive im going to fail again

is there anywhere that doesnt require a degree to be an english teacher? im too dumb to pass my exams but i actually enjoy teaching. i even got a tefl certificate in my spare time when i should have been studying
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Is there any way to get a job in Taiwan that isnt English monkey teacher with an MSc in chemistry and no ability to speak chink? I reeeeally like it there but I reaaally cant do the engrish thing at 30
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>>1585185
Great salary but I greatly appreciate the time off I get in Chinese public schools. Can't beat it.
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>>1586133
If you have a teaching license you should be able to teach Chemistry at a public school. You'll be a teacher but you won't be a happy clappy dancing monkey at a buxiban at least.
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>>1585744
I'm currently negotiating for a STEM subject in a T3. 12 teaching hours a week and no office hours.
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>>1586135
nice
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>>1585185
60k in Cambodia sounds astronomical. What are your certs/qualifications.

This will be my first year teaching. I'm going to teach adults in Tier 3 China. 5 days a week, 25 teaching hours. 20k rmb
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>>1586163
eww, training centers...
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>>1586017
This is why you don't go to Taipei. It also has the shittiest weather, the only advantage is it has more shit for westerners, and if that's what you care about, wtf are you doing in Taiwan.
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>>1586027
what are you majoring in?
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Im thinking about getting a TEFL or TESOL or whatever but I dont know which one is the best, every website says something different because theyre usually shilling one from their website. Is it more advantageous to get one in person as opposed to online, or it doesnt matter? Im considering latin america to teach if that makes a difference, thanks in advance lads
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>>1586027
Cambodia, Vietnam. . . . You've passed three years and you can't do the fourth? Good luck this time around.
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>>1586147
do you have a teaching licence or masters?
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anyone know anything about Tai'an? potential ESL gig lined up but i want to know the ground before I consider it.
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>>1585185
Fuck going to Cambodia. I like my limbs not blown off thank you very much.
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>>1586418
1 being blown off is fine
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>dancing monkeys
aren't you ashamed of yourselves?
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>>1586440
No, because I'm not doing it long term or for a career. Getting a easy as hell job for 3 years out of college and getting to experience a foreign country on a deeper level than just tourism.

If I was looking for an Asian wife, or was in my 40s still singing the wheels on the bus, I'd hate myself. But as it stands, no, it's pretty easy and fun
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>>1586440
for the money i'm being paid (salary and private), i'd happily suck off a monkey - singing row-row-row-your-boat is nothing.
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>>1586504
>3 years
A black hole in your resume. You think employers don't know what being an "english teacher" means?
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>>1586583
Tell us Sour Grapes Poster, what does it mean?
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>>1585185
Bait. No one could possibly be making that much in Cambodia.
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How competitive are public school jobs in China if i have minimal experience. I feel like i'm going to handicap myself by trying to get 14k at a public school in either Dalian or Qingdao. They seem to be the only places that aren't bumfuck nowhere while not being humid as fuck
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B.S. Econ grad from a well known school & 3 years experience. Anything for me if I wanna get away?
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>>1586301
nope
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>>1586504
>If I was looking for an Asian wife, or was in my 40s still singing the wheels on the bus
If you live in China and find the right job you'll most likely be able to retire before 35 if you're smart with your money.
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>>1586651
Beta male who literally sang and danced as a glorified baby-sitter, obviously. Everyone knows what it means these days.
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>>1586742
How much money did you save?
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>>1586243
maths. honestly doing this degree is by far the biggest regret of my life so far, it's fucked me over so bad. i'm from a not-so-great part of the country so if you do well in school, especially in something like maths, everyone just expects you to go to university and i really had no idea what else i wanted to do so i just went with it. turns out this degree is a little difficult to pass if you have 0 motivation to study, i've always been able to wing stuff up until now so im in major panic mode
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>>1586754
smart how? do you mean teaching privates?
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>>1586955
Why would that matter? Will my salary be downgraded that bad?
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>>1585120
Anyone have a lead on a public school (preferably primary school) position in Shanghai?
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>>1586947
Lol I was just back home a couple months ago for a few weeks, normies think it's the coolest thing ever. How can you be so far detached from reality?
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>>1586956
Can you just change to a different program? That way you'll have a degree in atleast something..
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>>1585120
I'll tell you how to make sure you don't make Elliot Rodger and make girls instead. I'm a doc so trust me.

Making half bred girls 101:
>taimingu
The most important factor is timing. The baby’s sex is determined by the chromosome carrying sperm. Y swim faster, but survive for shorter periods of time than their female producing counterparts. You should have sex TWO to FOUR days before ovulation if you are hoping to conceive a girl. By the time ovulation occurs, only the X should be left to fertilise the egg.
>sexpose
To conceive a girl, shallow penetration during sex is the key, but for a boy, the opposite is true. I advise missionary position or a small dick LMAO.
>don't make the girl orgasm/go for ACIDIC vaginas
Don't fret - my racetraitor brothers - it's science. The female orgasm releases an alkaline secretion which may help Y to survive longer, by creating a less hostile environment.
An acidic vaginal environment is more conducive to a girl. An acidic pH will negatively affect the Y, which is weaker and less resilient than the X.
>avoid nofap/have more sex, but with a different partner
MASTURBATE like a teen on heat. This will reduce sperm count, and mean there are less fast-swimming boy sperm available to join the race for fertilisation.
>don't fall for the coffeine meme
Don't drink coffee/stimultants if you want a girl and do if you want a boy. Apparently, the caffeine is detrimental to female sperm.
>drink milk/GOMAD
For a girl, eat milk products, drink milk, eat yogurt and cheese. A diet low in sodium and potassium and high in calcium and magnesium helps produce a girl.
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>>1586134
Where are you, and are you hiring?
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>>1587123
Can't say. I gotta be the asshole because you newcunts ruin shit.
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>>1587123
Sorry, I wan't trying to be an asshole. You gotta have a 4 year degree as a native English speaker.
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>>1585120

Teach online to Chinese kids about 25 hours a week, live in SEA, make 30k USD a year, travel frequently to Hong Kong, China, Japan. Living a good life out here bros
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>>1587421

You can do it, but the job you'll get not having a degree won't be a good one.

Just find somewhere in Jakarta/Manila/Hanoi that will print you a fake degree.
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>>1586257
Can someone answer this question please?

>>1587376
Is this legit? Do you have a degree?
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>>1587442

Yeah I have a degree. Can't really get an English job online without one, unless you do private tutoring or something
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>>1587124
>>1587130
All good dude, I have a 4 year degree, a TEFL, and 2 years of experience in Vietnam. Just throwing a lot of lines out there.
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>>1586583
lmao imagine being american
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How long does it usually take to get a TEFL cert anyway? I've been kicking around the idea of teaching overseas for years now. I've got a masters so I figure that will help a lot already. I imagine if it's hiring season now it's too late for me to apply for anything this year.
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>>1587695
Like a day or two if you just focus on it. They're mickey mouse tier and nowhere near 120 hours, the only one with any rigour is the CELTA
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>>1587121
im not really too sure at the moment. priorities at the moment is to try and just pass, if not then i guess i'll try see what good i can do with a 2/3 of a degree. i'm incredibly sick of being indoors all day and staring at screens and books. i was even considering joining the military if my 2/3 degree is useless and it meant i'd have to start something else from scratch. i dont think i can handle another 3 years of uni
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>>1586558
I'd much rather suck off dogs if I could find someone willing to pay me to do so.

> ;_; not being a srsly hawt 20yo big titted girl ;_;
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Hooked a lovely private tutoring summer job. my job will basically be to design a series of curricula to teach. The freedom is sweet and the students' english level is high enough that I can really teach whatever; for example my premiere class will be to play pic related interposed with lecture on Sun Tzu and Machiavelli.
When negotiating wage, my highball was their lowball and it got sealed by handshake emoji over wechat before I realised it. I asked for $40/hour. should I have gone higher?
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>>1587802
Sounds like you're getting sex trafficked, anon
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>>1587802
that sounds awesome. I'd do that for $40 an hour. That's the kind of thing I'd do that for free anyway. Where is this?
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>>1586966
You can easily save over $2k a month in China.
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>>1587108
Just look dude. You won't be saving much money tho. Shanghai schools give out pathetic housing allowances.
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>>1588173
>Where is this?
His fucking dreams.

Do people really believe they're getting paid doctor's wages for a skill-less job?
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>>1587802
>$40/hour
Sounds great on paper. Where is this? If it's in China beware of getting chinked. Never trust a chink.
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>>1588407
You can fairly easily get >$70/hr for privates.
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>>1585120
I'm not from an Anglophone country so I won't be able to the TEFL thing, but I have a bachelor's degree and I'm currently getting my master's at a top 100 rated university.

Would I be able to teach my subject at international schools? How bad/good in the pay? I'd be interested in Latin America, Taiwan or Lebanon/Tunisia
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>>1587376
VIPkid dancing monkey detected
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I got offered about $4000 a month to teach little slant-eyed brats in a kindergarten... But I just couldn’t do it.

It’s just so degrading and humiliating. Singing songs, dancing, being with the kids all day. You’d honestly have to either be a faggot basedboy cuck or legit pedo to enjoy this shit, let alone tolerate it.
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>>1588455

I don't do VIPKid, nor do I sing and dance much at all, but I am not above doing that for 18 $ an hour. It's really easy and I can live well. From the money I'm making i plan to start my own business here.
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>>1588418
where and with whom? i would believe an upper bound of $50, $70 is specialist tutoring for a specific subject, i can't believe "easily"
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>>1588584
Shanghai

My first private lesson in Beijing I told the guy $50 an hour or no go and he paid. You can't be a bitch with chinks. You gotta set a price.
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>tfw non-native
suffering incarnate
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My Minor is TESL considering my Major is Teaching. Anyone know if that will actually give me a leg up above other potential candidates? I was looking at either JET or INTERAC for a couple years before seeing if I should invest time into either TEFL or DELTA certs.
Otherwise was just planning on a Masters of Teaching and trying to get a Job on an oversea Military Base.
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>>1585189
This. I wouldn’t bother with some shithole like Cambodia
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>>1588687
The best certification you can get us a teacher's license. That will open up good paying international school to you
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>>1588687
JET doesn't prioritise a certain degree choice. Anecdotal evidence, but I got onto the programme with a History BA, no minor, and no teaching qualifications. Having spoken to applicants and ex-JETs, it seems like they focus more on your past experience outside of education and adaptability to living in a new country (i.e. someone who's not going to hop on a plane out of Tokyo three weeks into their contract and damage the programme's image)
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>>1588687
If you are certified should should be checking out Search Associates and places like that.
And if so what is your teaching cert in? Because yes combined they can offer a leg up.
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>>1588522
Which company are you with?

And what do you have to do? you have to be good looking and entertaining to keep the brats’ attention right? Otherwise you’re fired.
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>>1588731

Not really. A lot of people I used to work with were fat and boring as hell. You just have to be white and have half a brain cell.

I work with I tutor group making 1500$ usd a month, then I work at night 6-8:30 pm and make an additional 800 usd.

I live in the Philippines, so with this salary I have a fully furnished apartment, maids, and drink/eat out pretty much everyday. I also travel to HK and Taipei every other month to go shopping.

It's a pretty good life, not gonna lie.
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>>1588731
2nd post,,

I just do reading and writing with the kids, I work with older students and focus on pronunciation and reading. The song and dance thing is a meme, some people do that but you definitely don't have to, especially if you prove you have an actual background in English or education.

in the morning I teach whole classrooms via skype with a teacher in the classroom, which is a little trickier. But it becomes second nature after a while.
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what are my prospects in china if i am white non native english speaker with a non education related bachelors degree.
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>>1588845

Not bad. But you won't get the top tier jobs. For you I would recommend trying a less developed place that is more desperate, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia etc. They will most likely accept you there
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What's the best place to get a tefl or similar certificate? Considering trying to teach in Taiwan since I've lived there before and it doesn't seem as stressful as Korea or Japan
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>>1588862

Not him, but what kind of work is there in Indonesia for foreigners? I thought it was nearly impossible to get a teaching job there now. For reference, I’m a native English speaker.
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>>1588165
>>1588173
>>1588403
It's someone I've worked with before. I used to live in Chengdu for 3 years, going back again for summer hours, because the best thing to do when you have a break for school is take more classes.
>>1588173
Yeah it's honestly quite rewarding. I definitely shouldn't look the gifthorse in the mouth.
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>>1588724
Ok, I should be fine then. I have a good track record of staying at a company, and while it looks like I move once a year or two, its mostly just me being a /trv/ler fag.

>>1588728
My Major is Officially History Teaching with a minor in Teaching English as a second language. Not committing to English Degree because I dont have that passion, and to not be in one field. I figure that if I dont like Teaching English, I can fall back on History and slowly remove the Spanish language by teaching students in America or still try to get on an American base and teach Half-breeds English and History.
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Why do Chinese schools have so many office hours? Like, do they seriously expect you to be there for 40 hours a week?
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i have a chemistry degree but no teaching experience other than esl. could i ask my old boss to say i have two years of chem teaching experience? do chinese schools really check that background? i taught in vietnam for years
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>>1589327

No they don't. You're golden, do you have tefl?
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>>1589328
yeah celta (a legit one)
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>>1589334

yeah you'll be fine
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>>1587802
Holy fuck Diplomacy is awesome. Please tell us how the game goes.
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>>1589151
Ok man, yeah look into search Associates and get hired from outside of the country you want to work in. I understand not teaching English, I transferred over to getting a BSed Biology Ed and MSed ell, but I'm teaching State side at the moment.
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Anybody here working or worked at GABA? thoughts, experiences, tips?
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>>1588862
>Not bad. But you won't get the top tier jobs. For you I would recommend trying a less developed place that is more desperate, Thailand
Thailand hasn't been seriously impoverished or desperate for English teachers in decades. The numbers can be misleading because China's economy is so much larger, but Thailand is at least slightly more developed than China overall--higher HDI, etc. Very hard to get a real job in Thailand without being a native speaker, and has been for decades.

People also still seem to think that you can get work in Thailand without a degree; this is also not true, hasn't been in a long time. Yes, you can sometimes get under-the-table work from a less-reputable night school, and nearly anyone who can hustle appropriately can get private tutoring work, but it's hard to survive doing the latter without working your ass off and being extremely charming, and neither option is going to get you legal working papers, so you'll be at risk of expulsion at all times and limited to six legal months in country per year. Every few years the government likes to conduct sweeps and deport a few hundred unqualified teachers; curiously, doesn't seem to matter whether that government is made up of military dictators or civilian populists--it's been a fad for years now.
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>>1586027
push through it anon, you're so close

study hard
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>>1589258
Most training centers have office hours. Most public schools in smaller cities don't. I didn't have office hours at both of my jobs (middle school and high school) in Beijing. Just be adamant about it.

I wouldn't expect no office hours in Shanghai, though. Fuck that city.
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>>1589545

I posted that mainly because when I worked in Thailand, I worked along side people from France, Russia, and Italy working at pretty prestigious schools teaching English. The schools seemed unconcerned that they were not native speakers, more so concerned they were white.
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So I graduated like over a year ago and there's not really anything I can do with my degree because I fucked around and didn't do any internships or things like that despite getting really good grades. I've been thinking about TEFL after seeing some adverts and then looking into it more I've got a question I can't find the answer to on Google.

My degree is a Bachelor's in IT from a technology institute in New Zealand, not a University one, and it was only 3 years long. While reading up on TEFL I read that Thailand requires a four year degree, but it only mentioned the amount of years needed on one site, and I couldn't find mention of the amount of years you needed to study anywhere else. Am I fucked if I want to get a TEFL job? I was going to take a 300 hour TEFL course but don't want to waste the money if my degree isn't even going to help me get into somewhere like China or Thailand.
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TEFL is something that I've vaguely considered for a long time. But I'm at the point where I just want to say fuck it and go try it. I'm an American and have a Bachelors in Econ from a respectable university. How would you proceed if you were me?
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>>1589687

I’m a NES interested in working in Thailand. What’s the deal with work visas in Thailand?

Does everyone work on a tourist visa or use their own visas? I didn’t think non-natives would be able to teach legally with a work visa, I thought they only give work visas to native English speakers.
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>>1589638
How’d you land those jobs in Beijing?

Can you recommend an agent or site?
Every time I try to apply for decent jobs, the fucking slimy chink agents try to get me to accept shitty training center jobs. I think it’s a bait and a switch tactic and they don’t really have the jobs.
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>>1589504
Thanks a ton. I'll be looking into this in the next year or so when I start my student teaching and toss my applications into the wind.

With the Associates, it's still just teaching English right? Some of the schools almost look like they would also teach foreign students and so it's not all teaching English. Though I couldn't find anything concrete on the site. Do you know?
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>>1589708
Are you a native speaker with a degree? If not then you're stuck with training center jobs.
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>>1589708
>agents try to get me to accept shitty training center jobs
ok so not just me then
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>>1589850

Yes to both, but they still try to stick me with shit jobs
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I'm unhireable because I am American born Chinese.
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>>1590179
Then just tell them you're not looking for training center jobs. It's not that difficult dude.
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You guy's know Rosetta stone hires for remote english teachers right? And various other languages check their site. You could easily work for them P/T and live baller lifestyle in say, Georgia or Moldova or India.
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Please share your:
>city
>salary
>housing costs
>how much money you save

Vietnam
$1,700/mo in a training center, 25 hours/week
$300
$1000/mo

Looking for similar info WRT China
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anyone STEM subject teaching in china? how is it working out for you?
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Does anyone else find it difficult to find adult schools? I'm in Taiwan and it's hard to find anything besides "keep the kids entertained" nonsense.
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>>1589534
Pls respond. Is it worth it to get your foot through the door and just bear for 6 months. Surely you can survive with this contractual thing in GABA?
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>>1590512
Harbin, China
$2,700 after tax/mo at a public high school, <20 hours a week (19 teaching hours if nothing gets cancelled)
Free
I don't keep track but well over $2000/mo
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>>1590960
fuck off, weeaboo. Japan isn't a paradise.
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>>1590613
I will be starting in August/September. It has the potential to earn a lot more than just English teaching.
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>>1590960
What options have you already exhausted?
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>>1591071
borderlink, AEON, PKC, ITTI, and other eikaiwas. I might just apply for JET but openings are still in November/December. can't do ECC and interac is being handle by a local agency that requires more than interac themselves. Other ALT/Eikaiwas don't hire non-natives or require you to be in Japan already.
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>>1591047
do you have a teaching licence?
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>>1591303
Nope, but I don't think it actually matters for teaching STEM. There aren't many STEM graduates with experience teaching it so you can command a high salary after a year of experience.
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>>1591317
did you have STEM teaching experience? i'm getting a mix of knockbacks and cautious acceptance from the schools since i only really have tutoring and peer-assisted learning background, on top of my ESL.
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>>1591345
Nope, it's kinda tough to get your foot in the door and I think I just got it in. I'm a Computer Science major and every Tier 1 CS teaching job I applied to was really adamant about needing experience. A good school in a Tier 3 is offering me 20k and a free apartment to teach AP CS at a public high school so I'm jumping on this. Once I get that year of experience I'm off to Shanghai or Shenzhen.
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>>1591347
Also, a school in Fuzhou offered me a contract last year to teach CS which I turned down. This year they want to hire me again but they're making me jump through hoops with providing university transcripts and demo videos to make sure I know what I'm doing. I completely get it but fuck that noise. Anytime a school wants a 10-20 minute video of me fake teaching I immediately turn it down.
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>>1591243
God dude, how did you get rejected from so many? Did you at least go to hiring sessions or Skype interviews for all of them? Did anyone tell you what the weak points of your application/interview were?
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>>1591446
Nope. Only PKC replied and none of them told anything wrong with the applications. No interviews or anything desu. Must be because I'm a fucking non-native speaker.
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>>1585120
What job boards are you lads using?
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>>1591348
>>1591347
I'm interested in this too. What kinda stuff you teach, just programming or shit like theoretical CS too?
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>>1591451
Yeah, that might be it sadly. Where are you from?
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>>1591726
Philippines, sadly
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>>1591857
In Vietnam they advertise hiring specifically Filipinos all over the place. I know it’s not Japan but just FYI.
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>>1591534
Some places might offer a little more. It's important to remember though that this is only for ~25 hours a week in a private center. If you work in the public schools too, you could easily get that up to the 2500-3000 range.
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>>1590257
Really ? I see plenty of flip, pajeet and viet kieu working in saigon. Have you tried here? Just make up some lie in the interview about how yòur family came to the US in the 1800s to build railroads
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>>1590512
>Saigon
>21 usd p/h - 15-20 hours a week at public school
>150/mo
>0-300/mo
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What's your strategy for Job searching? i've only posted my Resume on echinacities. Is it better to just spam it to anything vaguely related/ in the same place just to see if they have other offers? looking for public school jobs in China if that makes a difference
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How long will teaching esl be viable in japan,decreasing birthrates and everything.
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God i wish there was a way to filter shitty training center jobs on echinacities
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>>1592359
eww, surely Vietnam is better than that?
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>>1591564
AP Computer Science, so basic programming, algorithms, and concepts.
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>>1593226
You can earn more if you have tefl or a degree or show up for work everyday
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>>1593226
>>1593285
I've done that. You don't save much money with only a public school job unless you manage to fill up your schedule, but on the other hand it's much more pleasant work than an english center.
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>>1593359
I thought the centerswere nice, just teaching 10 -15 kids seems better than 50. From what i here the students are usually from wealthy familiea so some can be cunts. Is it true the centera have your whole lesson planned out before you go there so you just follow their instructions and leave?

I don't really care about saving money, I don't understand why ao many people come here to work 50 hours a week (to save money?) Why not just work at home and.live with your parents. I came here becauae i know i can work 1/3 of the hours and live a comfy life with lots of free time.
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>>1586257

The only certifications that mean anything are the CELTA or a state teaching license/PGCE.

Everything else is just a scam.
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>>1585120
Is it possible to get a job in a good location of Shanghai with an unrelated to teaching bachelors and TEFL?
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>>1593386
Probably, but you'll most likely be working at a training center and not saving a ton of money each month.
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>>1593406
I just want to go to a city that would be really fun for a year after I get my degree, then move back before I fall too deep into the void.

Actually I can't decide if I should apply for a scholarship to learn Chinese for a year instead because I plan on spending a lot of my free time studying it anyways. Honestly I just want to live in an exciting place for a year. Southeast Asia seems too sexpatty, and that's honestly not what I'm going for. Taiwan seems nice but not chaotic enough.
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>>1593367
To each their own. I personally think that public school is easier because the expectations are so low. At my center the vast majority of kids were intelligent and well-behaved, but the 12 year olds can be tough to deal with. Obviously this only applies to the ones from business families; the ones from the government families are absolute geniuses and as close to perfect as you can get. I've never had a center that provided me with lesson plans, but some do that.

Saving money here is actually quite easy and you can do it on 20 hours a week. But then again I live a pretty simple lifestyle by default. If you're out smoking ice in hourly hotel rooms all weekend you'll probably have a little more trouble saving.
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I have an offer in Hong Kong, of all places. Is 24,000 HKD totally impossible to live on? HK is expensive.

Also can someone in Shanghai give me a quick rundown on the various districts there and things to watch out for?
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>>1593458
Is that for Money tree? That's where i did my tesol gap year and it was great, 24k is plenty i even managed to save like 15k usd
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>>1593510
It's for a different company but 24k is really that good? What was your housing situation? I though HK apartments were expensive as fuck
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>>1593457
I could save some money but my old habits died so now I'm going oit for multiple meals everyday and nice.places on the weekend. I'm having a crisis right now from beijg engaged. Some of my fondest memories are of spending countless weekends in saigon with a bag of ice , a kynu girl in a 3 star hotel and I wont be able to do any of that again. I'm deeply saddened.
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>>1593525
Break off the engagement, she deserves better than you
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Reposting from Vietnam thread since you guys know this kind of thing.

Seriously considering teaching english in vietnam. I'm not aiming to make it a permanent expat career, maybe a year and I don't need to make tons of money just enough to cover living expenses and some trips around the country. I have plenty of extra cash so running out of money isn't an issue I'd just rather not blow it all. However the big caveat is I don't have a degree, I've heard posters here and elsewhere that taught without a degree illegally. Is just getting a fake degree worth it? I am a white native speaker if that compensates somewhat.

The reading I get is if you are willing to do some questionable jobs for less wages the work is available if you just show up to HCMC or Hanoi and start applying. Is this true or am I wrong on this and work is harder to find than I assume?

Tl:dr fake degree Vietnam yes/no?
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I'm one of those crazy non-native speakers trying to do ESL. Been applying all this Spring pretty much.

I'm white (Nordic), got a BA, TEFL and soon an MA as well (not in edu).

First I tried the Japan route as I've been an exchange student there and speak nihongo so-so. Applied to JET (yes, my country was included somehow for ALT work), nope and then bunch of the usual eikaiwa: AEON, Nova etc. Then nope. I think Gaba actually wanted to proceed with me, but that required like 2 references with a fast deadline and I didn't have time for that (thesis), so let that shit go.

Gaba is the bottom of the barrel anyways. I get it that for JET you need reference letters, but Gaba...nigga please.

Now China has been more promising and I wouldn't actually mind going there to teach, since I had a blast there travelling and shit last year. I had one straight up offer even once, but that was like Shaanxi province *cough* *cough*.

Still, most places turn me down also in China, which is not surprising since it's kinda, more or less illegal to teach a language other than your mother tongue, which is pretty radical I guess. :D

Today I decided to explore the Nam route also. We'll see how that goes, but the thing is, I kinda hate the motorcycles, traffic and lack of public transportation in Vietnam. I mean, never been there, just seeing from Youtube, doesn't look so appealing to me. I was fine with traffic and shit in China, but as we all know, they got their shit together when it comes to infrastructure in big citites. You guys think Vietnam not so bad or? I don't feel like buying a motorcycle and all that nonsense.
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>>1593757
>Actually using real references instead of buying internet phone numbers and being your own references
Nigga is this the first time you ever applied for a job?

(Don't quote me on this, but I'm like 60% sure that 2 references during the hiring process are required for a Japanese company to sponsor a visa)
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>>1593760

Nope. I think reference letters are more of a US thing? I mean, in my country in the EU, we rely more on work certificates (proof of past employment), which is a bit different.


That visa requirement would actually make sense since, 2 references were also required for the JET Programme. So, there we go. Another great cultural export of US occupation. :)
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>>1593520
Not the same guy but it depends on what part of Hong Kong you're staying in. You can get a studio for 8k HKD and less in Causeway Bay, so there are probably more affordable apartments in worse areas. But even then I'd be surprised if you could save 15k usd like that guy. Good luck saving more than ~5k if the job doesn't include housing.

Anyways average monthly salary in Hong Kong is 16k, so it's definitely liveable with 24k.
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Can anyone comment on Epik?
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>>1587773
No one will take you seriously for doing part of a degree man. Just finish the damn thing since you're more than half way. Learn to put in the effort and not just wing shit otherwise this problem will reappear
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Can anyone comment on the stress of doing ALT or GET respectively? I finished uni about a year ago but medical complications put me in bed for a while and hindered employment. Looking to get out and finally enjoy myself after the ordeal and want to know if this is something enjoyable to do for a bit e while still saving some cash
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>>1593757
I know a Brazilian with garbage English who is making good money as a teach in Vietnam. So you can too.
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>>1593797
My budget would be like

Income - 24,000
Rent - 7,500
Food - 2,000
Entertainment - 1,500
Other shit - 1,000
Savings - 12,000

Also you get additional savings through the government retirement scheme which you withdraw when leaving. Not that hard to save money in hk (unless you are an alcoholic/drug addict), only rent is expensive.
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>>1594131
You spent that little on food? I thought HK was expensive. Did you cook for yourself?
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>>1593686
are you white? are you a native? if yes to both you are half way there. Just get a tefl and you can start searching for jobs. you wont get the same pay as those guys with a degree and a celta but you can work your way up after you get experience. honestly it can just depend on who is willing to take you on and what you are willing to do during the application process. just dont do it illegally, we dont need anymore english teaching illegals. remember, vietnam isnt the only country that dosent always require a degree to teach.
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Shanghai can go suck a dick. Office hours + dogshit housing allowance doesn't even make it worthwhile.
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>>1588649
Are you not allowed to be a non-native english speaker teacher?
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>>1594554
Depends on the country. As far as I'm aware in China it's illegal to teach English unless you're a native speaker. Tons of people still do it illegally on business visas or whatever. If the school has connections with someone at the visa office they can make it happen, too.
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>>1594556
So do they do it based on what country you apply from? so someone who learned english as a child in Netherlands because of parents/teaching doesn't count?
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>>1594558
>So do they do it based on what country you apply from?
Yeah, based on your passport I believe.

>so someone who learned english as a child in Netherlands because of parents/teaching doesn't count?
Exactly

You can still easily find jobs in China but you'll most likely be stuck at a privately owned training center with a lower salary. Lots of these schools specifically ask for Europeans so they can pay less money. It's risky since it's technically illegal, though.
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Are there any ways to teach online with just TEFL? Saw an ad for teaching English online for $20 an hour but you need a degree. Would do it for less than $20, seems like it would be nice if I could do it a couple hours a day for extra money.
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>>1594153
Yea sometimes, i ate a lot of cheap street food and way too much mc donalds lol
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I'm currently on JET, so I make about 300,000 yen a week before expenses/insurance. I teach about 4 classes a day and have plenty of downtime.

Are there jobs available in China with similar pay and conditions?
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>>1594943
you mean a month? Yeah, I earn that in China after expenses with fewer teaching hours and no office hours.
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What were the qualifications you lads had before going over? Could you speak the language well? Were you an English teacher before?
Considering this for the experience (not in the work place of course, just purely for personal experience)
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>>1594943
What prefecture? I'm arriving in early August (still waiting on an exact placement, though)
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Does anyone know of any way to ship would would otherwise be a checked bag to Tokyo?

It's still quite a way off before I fly to Japan, but just searching the date, a regular 1-way ticket is $1000, but a Hidden-City ticket is $420.

I really don't feel like paying $580 just to check a bag. Are there any places I could mail a suitcase to in Tokyo, and have them hold it for me?
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>>1594131
Is that in dollars per year?
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>>1594943
>almost 3,000 dollars a fucking week
Hory shetttttttttttttttt
I thought being an English teacher was a meme. Why is it considered a joke if you make this much?
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>>1595558
Take the bag with you to whatever city you’re flying into and then ship it from there to your address in Tokyo. You can probably do this from your arrival airport (this is a common thing in Japan). Shipping it from the US or wherever to Tokyo will be quite expensive and, no, there are no mail drops in Tokyo where you can just randomly send shit for later pick-up.
>>1595982
Engrish teachers can’t into math, apparently. I’m pretty sure he means 300K yen per month.
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Are most teaching jobs strict about the requirement of a bachelors degree? I have a 2 year diploma in IT.

Alternatively, what is the easiest/fastest way to get any 4 year degree (something like English, business, etc.)? Not a fake diploma mill but like the cheapest/shittiest real degree that wouldn't be considered fake?
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>>1595990
Yeah, it's for visa purposes. It doesn't stop a lot of people from illegally working in China, though. You'll just earn less money than legally working teachers.
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>>1595986
I don't think you understood my question, or my predicament.

Hidden-city flights are where you book a flight with a layover in your actual destination, and you just get off there and skip your connecting flight. Because of airline pricing shenanigans, this can often be much cheaper. (As an example, I'm looking this up now, a flight to Tokyo is around $750, but a ticket to Bangkok with a layover in Tokyo, with the same flight to Tokyo being used is $450) Because missing a flight cancels the rest of your trip, you can only do this for 1-way flights, and you cannot check baggage since its final destination is another airport.

Getting the luggage from Tokyo to my placement isn't the issue, getting it to Japan without checking it is. Yes it might be expensive, but look at how much I'm saving on airline tickets, I don't really care
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>>1596028
>>I don't really care
That’s good, because shipping a suitcase will cost you a few hundred USD. And, you’ll have to wait to get your luggage until you have an actual address to send it to. Someone back home will have to send it to you. Just buy a normal plane ticket and save everybody all the hassle.
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>>1585120
I had an interview 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything back. I emailed them two days ago and haven't heard anything. FML
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>>1596060
What kind of job?
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>>1596061
Pest supervisor in agriculture. I got this meme degree promised 60k a year hope it works out. I would've gone for a real stem career but I'm borderline retarded
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>>1596067
Yeah, that's a pretty shitty degree. Hope you can find something. Are you a dancing monkey in the meantime?
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>>1596077
I dont know what dancing monkey is but if you mean unemployed then no. I make 350 for 25 hrs of work. It isn't great money but I like working only two days a week
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>>1596084
You sure you're in the right thread?
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>>1596085
Yes. I started bitching about my interview and how I haven't heard back
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>>1596090
Look at the OP post in this thread. "Hiring season" right?

Keep looking. You see how it says "Eternal TEFL Thread" up there?

This thread isn't for general employment, dancing monkeys only reeee
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>>1595036
Nice, is that typical? Where are you in China? Is that at a school or a private conversation company? And did you have support getting set up?

>>1595982
Yeah I fucked up, I mean 300,000 a month.

>>1595324
Congrats, JET is great. I'm in a small city in Kyuushu which isn't ideal, but I still regret ending my contract as quickly as I did. Just don't waste your significant downtime on 4chan or whatever; study Japanese or anything really, do the TEFL grant if you don't have one already, try to be productive.

Don't be a majime faggot either, make sure you play with the kids at lunch, joke around and make your classes as fun as possible.
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Not TEFL, but what are the chances of a trilingual 3d animator with bachelors to get a job in Japan?
Is there demand enough demand in the japanese marketing/film/games scene or do the nips have it on lockdown?
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>>1596526
>Nice, is that typical? Where are you in China? Is that at a school or a private conversation company? And did you have support getting set up?

I'm in a Tier 3 city teaching at a public high school. Yeah, I had some support.
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>>1593757
where is this pic from? Also, I recommend south to you, it's more wetern so less motorbikes (but still a lot). Living in north without motorbike is a terrible experience. Doable (done it) but really inconvenient. City bus system is cheap but buses are more suspectable to traffic jams, and most of the lines aren't really easy to navigate (bus stops never tells you which stop you're currently at nor in which direction the bus goes). It's also more difficult to get out of the city, and believe me, after a year in Hanoi you're really going to miss the forests.
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>>1596827

Thanks for the reply.The pic I posted is from Chengdu, China.
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I'm a white native England speaker and about to graduate with a 4 year master's degree, how should I go about looking for TEFL work in Japan/China?
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>>1596908
jet programme, interac, shane english schools etc. just check any website with tefl job listings
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>>1596908
I’d say research the places you’re thinking about teaching in first. China and Japan are very different countries that will give you completely different experiences.
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Anyone have experience teaching in korea?
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>>1597085
Yeah, it's not fun. My hagwon had me teaching 32 classes a week before I left and went to China.
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>>1593757

Why the fuck do you want to be a dancing monkey as a non-native speaker, especially from a firstie Nordic country, in shitholes like China and Vietnam? Are you that hard up for cash or just desperate for slant pussy?

Man you’re better than that surely. Don’t degrade yourself.
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>Can't get direct hired by Overseas Companies because government requires to go through recruitment agencies
>Recruitment agencies that overcharge you for their services
>Recruitment agencies that have absurd job requirements for you to get hired
It's over for me lads. I can't be a dancing monkey anymore. I'm perpetually stuck in this hellhole.
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>>1596084
>dancing monkey
English teacher
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>>1597791
which cunt?
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>sign a contract
>a much better offer immeidately pops up

what should I do lads
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>>1597731

Haha! I like living overseas and the 'expat lifestyle' so, and as u mentioned, the female marketplace is quite a bit more seductive in these 'shithole countries' than in my own.

ESL just seems to be the lowest bar entrypoint, but as a graduate, I'm definitely exploring other professional options as well.
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>>1598053
Break contract in accordance with the law.

I know everyone who does TEFL is a kid fresh out of college who has never worked a real job before, but fucking everyone jumps ship if something better pops up
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>>1598066
Contract doesn't begin until September 1st
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>>1598034
Sillypenis



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