Anyone else looking forward to Venezuela becoming the new tourist destination in Latin America?>it will be cheap as fuck >the locals haven't seen tourists in forever>girls are hot>normies will be too afraid to go anywhere near venezuela for at least 10 year sThe attractions look pretty good >Angel Falls>Mount Roraima:>Canaima National Park>Los Roques>Isla Margarita>Merida and snow capped mountains and tropical glaciers>Caracas: could be a big great city like Rio, Buenos Aires or Medellin >Colonial towns like Coro or Colonia Tovar>Los Lllanos>Jungle abundance
Tourism in Venezuela exists today. You have been swallowing too much American propaganda. You seem to think Venezuela is some kind of North Korea, lol. WTF?
>>1529960>you'll still get robbed
>>1529982Possible, true. But if you look a lot of the locations they are in the nature. The problem is that currently you have no access to money which makes travel impossible. Crime is probably going to fall to Brazil/Central America levels pretty quick
Yeah I'd love to do the Roraima trek. Chapada Diamantina in Brazil looks a bit similar, hoping to do that later this year.>>1529965Well from a tourist's perspective it's even worse than NK
>>1529965North Korea is just about the safest place possible for a tourist. Complete opposite of Venezuela.
>>1529960tfw I'm Colombian and Having Money is Enough Excuse to be a victim of Kidnap or Robery in Poorzuela. Now Imagine what you could expect being white.Just don't go to that Shithole, Mine's better and safer, trust me.
I got two sisters to have threesomes with me in Merida cause I bought their family food for a month. Venezuela is fun right now for foreigners. You just need to speak fluent Spanish and never ever show that you have money. Feels sketch as fuck all over the country, it's in a really sad state.
>>1530306Sure you did mate
how much do you reckon it would cost for a Venezuelan hooker to let you go full woodman/legalporno on them? or a slavic one for that matter
>>1530373$40-70 for an hour, you can do it in Colombia already. Cartegena is filled with them.
>>1530044When Maduro and his army wipe the streets from blood of anglozionist-backed traitors.
>>1529965I live in South Florida, and know a lot of Venezuelan expats. Most haven't visited home since the hyperinflation took off.
>>1529960>the new tourist destination in Latin AmericaHow old are you? Venezuela was king of SA before Chavez. Everyone visited Caracas
>>1530420Yea but regular hookers or ones willing to be completely degraded?
>>1530544Regular. Still hot Venezuelans
>>1530525You are a retard, tourism to the Angel Falls only started in 1990 for example.
>>1530551yea but how much for a woodman experience (a2m, rims, them being subjected to watersports and such)? his stable all seem to be Eastern European or Latin American
>>1530501Plantation bro here (stationed in San Diego now) Where you from
>>1530261Define safe.Safe, until you accidentaly photograph something wrong.
>>1530272Hey bud, did they forget to teach you how to capitalize words in school or did you just choose to be a retrasado hijueputa?
>>1530622safe place = place where you won't be a victim of violent crime such as murder or armed robbery.By this criterion Venezuela is probably the most unsafe place in world, maybe behind Somalia.
Maybe the best country for buy a waifu. They will kill you here for 10 dollars
As if the highest crime and murder rates in the whole America will disappear magically with a change of regime
>>1530641Venezuela has typical crime rates for a Latin country undergoing a crisis. Look at this graph from Colombia. If they change the regime this year I am sure by the mid 20s real travelers will be flocking to Venezuela. Late 20s/early 30s Venezuela will be the next big travel destination in Latin America
>>1530753Colombia dealt with Narco wars, not socialism. Socialism makes a much more terrible impact on society than some narcos and jungle commies chimping out.
>>1530622You are told clearly what you can and cannot photograph. You can take photos of almost everything. Worst case, the guides just ask you to delete a picture you weren't supposed to take. North Korea is about as safe as it can get for a tourist.
>>1530864you must have forgot that they cooked a frat boy a few years ago
>>1530888One guy, and one who pulled a super obvious no-no during a real no-no time. Assuming you've got half a functioning brain, unlike him, traffic anywhere else is more likely to off you than the North Korea state.
>>1530753Venezuela needs to get out of extreme poverty, it will take 10-15 years to really improve.Colombia was easy because the crime was spurred on by a fairly small number of large criminal organizations. Once those organizations were squashed the crime started falling.
>>1530622>Define safeThey tell you what is OK, and what isn't, and because you're not a retard you do as they tell you and you never have to worry about your safety because the state will torture to death anyone that hurts you and damages the country's already bad reputation. North Korea is very safe for those who aren't stupid.Unsafe, as in Venezuela, is where as soon as the locals realize you're from a "rich" wealthy country like Ecuador you get robbed before you even leave the airport because the spare change in your back pocket can buy a lot of spoiled meat for their family.
>>1529965This.Lots of it is still easily travelable, its just the major cities which are dangerous or places with lots of drug traffic. Most towns or cities with strong agricultural ties are fine, they have a good supply of food and thus often have flowing income. The only issue is getting between towns, planes are fine but there are areas that have road bandits which can be a pain.On top of this, many of the natural tourist attractions in the country are still easily visited, the only issue is that operators only take USD so in the end its not way cheaper than you think.I used to work in Maracaibo but haven't been back in 2 years, it really is very dangerous in big cities.
It will become the new Iraq/Syria if the US backed coup succeeds.
>>1530631>Stay Mad VenezueNigger ;) your country is shit and stay mad while you clean my grass for a Lemonade
>>1530906venezuela needs a pinochet
>>1530927>still easily travelable>its just the major cities which are dangerous or places with lots of drug traffic.>The only issue is getting between towns>the only issue is that operators only take USDYou just explained yourself that Venezuela is not easy to travel through. Independent backpacker travel in Venezuela is impossible at the moment. Of course I can fly into Caracas today and visit the Angel Falls no problem but that is not the premise of this thread.
>>1530634Afghanistan? Yemen? Maybe Iraq, not sure how bad it is now.
>>1530928Does Venezuela have similar ethnic tensions to those two countries, which in those cases were exacerbated by having ruthless dictators from one of the minorities?
>>1530939ah yes when the leftist military dictatorship doesn't work you just swing hard right to a fascist one >>1530927This essentially, I've been long planning a bike tour through the region and unfortunately venezuela would've made a great starting point. its a shame since the cities are where its really bad and Colombia has closed its border so there's no point in going. But if anything the countryside is still relatively safe from most accounts.
>>1530989I dare to say, almost everyone in Latin America Doesn't want anything to do with Venezuelans, because they are becoming source of Cheap Labor so they took er jobs and shit, some other bad apples commit crimes and wants free stuff because they were used to get everything free under they wrong version of Socialism..Recently, Ecuador tightened their inmigration policy towards venezuelans Because some dude Killed her Pregnant GF with a Knife while helding her as hostage.There's many bad shit happening with these dudes around the continent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbcFobBclQYlink related to the murder
>>1530989Venezuela is a bit whiter than Colombia, having 40% whites, 40% mestizos, a couple of blacks and a tiny number of Indians. There are no ethnic tensions at all and most of the country is catholic.
>>1530799>SocialismThe Americans don't deny they are responsable for Venezuela's current hardships.
>>1530927>podunk towns with no banks are fine, just bring $4000 in wads of cash stuffed into your underwear, also forget about getting in or out, have I mentioned that you'll probably get arrested on arrival as a suspected coup plotter if you have a US passport? just hitchhike everywhere with $100 bills falling out of your underwear and you'll be fineWow, sounds great, I'm gonna cancel my trip to Ecuador and hang out in Venezuela instead!
>>1531200no country in LatAm is 40% White, let alone Venezuela.
>>1532520Well, yes. Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela have a significant, sometimes even majority population of European descent.
>>1531200>census resultsYou realize they just ask the person to check a box, right?
>>1532520>he's never been to Argentina
>>1532529So whatIf they're convinced they're white they won't do criminal activities, because it means they are white on the inside and white people are law abiding
>>1531148>they wrong version of Socialism>Implying there is a good version of it.>inb4 muh Scandinavia.Ecuador and Perú are currently receiving the trash from Venezuela, even more than Colombia. So it's natural that they´re complaining. Argentina and Chile on the other hand are quite welcoming to Venezuelans because most of them are college professionals and (ex) middle class.
>>1532520You have clearly never been to Latin America. Only in Venezuela more than one million Europeans (Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians mostly) arrived between the 40s and 70s when the total population didn't even get to 8 million people.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Venezuela#Post-war_European_immigrationVenezuela is whiter than Colombia or Brazil.
>>1529965>tourism still exists in VenezuelaOf course, a fool and his money are easily separated
>>1531017Pinochet was all about free market capitalism. The free markets he forced on the country are responsible for Chile being the most prosperous country in Latin America today. And they did it without an ocean of oil to exploit.>>1531346Bullshit. The U.S. is still Venezuela's biggest trading partner. The sanctions are only against specific members of Venezuela's corrupt government who were caught engaging in drug trafficking and other crimes, and against the Venezuelan government itself because it's refusing to pay old debts (gotta transfer ALL THE GOLD to Russia to pay for Maduro's new Russian mercenary regime protection force).
>>1529965youre retardwd bro. im colombian and i visited venezuela as a tourist and just to visit friends and family a shit load of times. right now novody goes there unless you really really have to. its shit.
>>1532779Really? How common is it to see white people in Venezuela?
>>1532931$1 has been deposited into your account, for parroting the official line from Washington DC for the last 50 years. They call people like you "useful idiots" behind closed doors.
>>1530935>Un congolombiano burlandose de venezuelaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAt. chileno superior.
>>1533496Presumably by contacting pimps and dropping very heavy hints. You might need to go through a variety of pimps before you find one with a sufficiently flexible sense of ethics to offer you an under-15. Being in face to face contact with maybe 5 different Venezuelan pimps inquiring about underaged girls would have maybe a 5% to 10% mortality risk, call it 7.5%.In the meantime, you can enjoy local acitivites, like food and toilet paper shortages (which can't be solved by money, since there is often nothing on the shelves for you to buy or bid on) and being robbed by hotel and airport staff.
Has anyone considered going to Venezuela with scads of dollars in small denominations and trading them for wedding rings and other precious metals?I used to fantasise about doing that if I lived in the days of Weimar Germany, but now Venezuela is a reality. The trouble is that I wouldn't blend in with the crowd.
>>1533514Lol good post anon
>>1531200I don't buy this. According to wikipedia Colombia whites are 37% and Venezuela is 40% but that's without accounting for the "white flight" during the last decade. Pro tip: they are not white to begin with in either case, just light mestizos and kinda quadroon looking in Venezuela due to the fact that they have a larger Caribbean coastline, hence more african influence overall. Also based on personal experience ,I'd say Colombians are actually a bit lighter while Venezuela might be around 30-35% instead of 40% as they report , but in general both countries are extremely similar, almost identical racially speaking. Lastly, notice how Venezuelan self reported whites concentrate on the colombian border, one can expect that trend to continue into Colombia which has a larger populationt. Latino south FL fag who interacts with people from both countries frequently>>1532520exactly. Maybe Uruguay or some parts in Argentina tho
>>1532779I guess you are Venezuelan. Venezuelans in Florida have this attitude but they are wrong. First off, Brazil is actually the whitest of the bunch, while Colombia and Venezuela are basically identical with slight differences, both at around 1/3 white.Most Venezuelans I've met have African traits, while only some Colombians I've met do. The latter tend to have finer traits and light eyes/hair more frequently. However, Venezuelans are slightly taller imo, probably by 1 inchIn general, the whites Latinos I've met in FL are usually the Brazilians and Cubans. Colombians/Venezuelans.can be white passing but I wouldn't call them white. The rest of Latinx (ricans, dominicans, mexicans are mostly brown with the occasional fair skinned here and there, but just like col-ven, not white)
>>1535019>both countries are extremely similar, almost identical racially speaking.not at all, for a start, Indigenous people in each country were and are different, different linguistic groups, different phenotype etc.For me, as a Colombian, it's fairly easy to tell when someone is Venezuelan, but also if someone is from Cali, Medellin or the coast, because the Natives of each region have very distinctive traits.
>>1533349I know a bunch of Venezuelans, kinda random, through a co-worker. Many are more of the mixed light brownish Latino standard, and black and indigenous mix is obvious, but it's also true there are more "white looking" types. This co-worker I know is 1/4 standard stock and the rest Spain-Spanish. That's how we was able to get an EU passport and GTFO. He has black hair, but green eyes, light skin.
>>1533897How would you get anything out? Up your butt?
>>1535416Presumably by either melting the gold into pearl-sized balls and swallowing it, or just wearing the maximum legal amount. Gold is non-toxic, so it would basically be no more difficult to get tax free income out of Venezuela than it would be to shit in a bucket and dissolve the shit with soapy water and a sieve. People have done a lot worse for a lot less.
Won't work like that. They've been breeding a generation of super-criminals there, it'll be wildly unsafe for years.
>>1535027That is just personal anecdote. The truth is for some decades there was also a difference between Venezuela and Colombia/Brazil regarding social mobility; in Venezuela you were able as a black or mestizo to attend a good public university and become middle class through study and hard work. All of this before the crisis in the late 80's and 90's and the arrival of communism. That's why you see so many between Venezuelan expats in the United States; quite the contrary with Colombia (a country I know well) were social status is more rigid and vastly hereditary.
>>1537261>the arrival of communism
>>1537404>Muh communism>Never been tried
>>1537406I never said that, but calling Venezuela communist is incredibly stupid. It's like calling Trump a nazi. You obviously know very little of the world.
>>1532529>>1532534Asking a Latino if they are white is like asking a burger if they are fat.After a while their personal beliefs, preferences, and perception relative to neighbors will warp their "truth". They are not necessarily lying on the census, they genuinely believe it themselves.
>>1537409Chávez was openly marxist as Maduro is, they both praised Castro and took Cuba as an example and applied its disastrous policies to Venezuela for 20 years. Anticapitalism, a centrally planned economy, price controls, destruction of the free press, commie symbology every-fucking-where, from schools to hospitals. A socialist dictatorship as your typical red scum kind of government.So funny when ignorant folks try (and fail) to explain other people's reality.And what is this false, bullshit analogy with Trump being a Nazi?
I want to go just to fuck their whores
>>1537409Anon, nobody is ever going to refer to systematic state control and interference with the economy as communism again, not if they started after 1991. That doesn't mean you can't call a spade a spade. What I will say is that communism, as a pejorative, sounds kind of outdated. I would describe Venezuela as a leftist country, leftism being the "clever" central management of the economy by people whose salaries are completely unaffected by failure. (As we've seen, Maduro's stooges are eating well and not at all suffering from the shortages they've created. Even their money is worth more, because they have access to privileged exchange rates and prices.)
>>1537261>That's why you see so many between Venezuelan expats in the United States; quite the contrary with Colombia (a country I know well) were social status is more rigid and vastly hereditary.Da fuc are you talking about? There are more Colombians than Venezuelans in the US. and every year more Colombians travel to the US than Venezuelans.if there were so much social mobility in Venezuela during these years, and Venezuelans from lower classes were so well educated, then why Chávez came to power, and why Venezuelan cities are full of favelas and there are such strong social divides in the country? (the origin of most of the political turmoil we see today there). everyone is Mestizo in Colombia and most people in the universities is mixed race.>a country I know wellyou clearly don't.
>>1530935Desde cuándo los venezolanos usan "hijueputa"? De dónde mierda saca que onions veneco? Típico de un marica que ni sabe para qué se usan unas mayúsculas. Vaya a vender dulces en un semáforo que su español no le da para más.
>>1532931>le free market will solve this xDIt was actually the neolib policies that sent Chile into the crisis of 1982, and this happened post-Pinochet.Go suck a Jew dick and be a lolbertarian somewhere else.
>>1537979Oh,I understand,your boyfriend must be a Poor and dirty Veneco,so you got triggered in behalf of him. No need to sell candies because i'm not Venezuelan. Stay mad nigger
>>1537968Reading comprehension, first of all. I never said there were more Venezuelans than Colombians in the United States, I said that the proportion of mestizos abroad could be seen higher because of past social mobility (and I could add, new-money under the red regime), this social mobility like I said was affected by the crisis in the late 80s. "Favelas" are part of all Latin American societies. Chávez won because of general skepticism for traditional parties and high abstention in the 1998's election.TL, DR: Venezuelans are whiter than Colombians but, who cares?
>>1532931Glad trv is an educated board but just chiming in to say you're a bootlicking retard
>>1532931Also you STUPID FUCK What do you think happened to gaddafi's gold?
>>1537406socialism ≠ communismI think they're both flawed in different ways, but it's like calling a monarchy a republic.
>>1529965t. venezuelan thief
>>1538195I'm Colombian from the Cundiboyacense region (central Colombia). To spot Venezuelans here is fairly easy because a lot of them are Mulatto-ish, unlike people here who is Mestizo or Indio.
>>1537523>legalpornoSame anon, same
>>1537523Just go to Bogota, Medellin, Lima, Panama City... they're everywhere now. They're not as fun as colombians or brazilians though.
>>1538195I'm Colombian from the interior and the way I tell part venezuelan from locals is because you people are africans, most people here are actually castizo or white hispanic
>>1539021 (You)I mean this is not to offend our venezuelan brothers but I wished the african venezuelans who are like 3/4 of all the immigrants here went to the coast instead of coming to the interior, a place not fit for their skin (It's cold up here). The Gochos who are actually culturally and racially Colombian and other venezuelans without thick lips could move inland as they can pass as locals and probably wouldn't suffer as much discrimination as afrovenezuelans currently do because they honestly look very different.I suggest them to move to cities on the Caribbean like Barranquilla, or Cartagena where people look like them and have cultural similarities. Here in the interior we are introverted while most venezuelans are loud and extroverted like our coastal people
>>1538599Also they wear hats with a 'V' on them.
>>1537417fuck off burger! I have seen lots Agentina guys in Canada whiter than most of mutt Kentucky!!
>>1539801So? It's not like being white is an accomplishment.
>>1539805Never said being an unseasoned raw chicken is an accomplishment. Just said there are lots of pigskins in Argentina too.
>>1539801Eh, I've been to Argentina. Most really really do not look like Anglo-Saxon (or Irish/German/French/Scandi/etc.) stock Americans or Canadians. In Argentina, it's obvious that there is a larger indian mix in people's blood, as well as straight up indios, and even the "whites" generally look like Italians or Spaniards, dark black wavy hair, ruddy skin, brown eyes, etc.Blondes or natural lighter hair is of course seen, and some with pale skin too, but it's not super common. It stands out.