Old thread (>>7383328) is on autosage. Continue here.Post toys that make kibble look cool.
Fuck geewun. After the Shit on Cybertron trilogy the next trilogy toyline needs to be Unicron Trilogy.
>>7385387well, if the titan next year turns out to be a combiner, and then the year after a retool of omega into scorponok, then we'll probably get a new unicron in 2022, and that'd be the perfect time to do a unicron trilogy revivalEspecially since it'll be the 20th anniversarry
>>7385391to add to this, 2021 will be beast wars 25th anniversary, so an animal themed titan makes sense too if they wanted to update some of the beast wars that haven't been updatedmaybe finally get apeface and snapdragon too
Dreadwing was so awesome. I loved that toy as a kid. Really enjoyed the backstory they gave for him. The clear plastic clips that hold the guns gave out on mine, though.
>>7385387UT has been getting stealth homages/updates for years now.
>>7385387You already got all these guys?
>>7385387>>7385402Hard to upgrade toys that were already good the first time they came out. Like what even can we expect from UT updates>oh here's Cybertron Scourge>he's half the size>they colored him weird for GOTTA BE REDONE>he still doesn't have wrist swivelsWooooooow
>>7385387No fuck off. G1 still has a lot of toys need to be remade. You UT fucks already got toys remade >>7385404 and turns out they're shittier than the original because the original are far hetter and superior than these 'remakes'.
>>7385411It still blows my mind how they blundered Hot Shot so bad. That post movie era of "make everything complicated as SHIT" really hurt the toys a lot>Hey boss the toy can barely raise its arms without hitting his own giant kibble chunks, and the minicon can't even stand due to bad design>TAKE OUT THE GUNDS AND REMOLD THE KIBBLE TO OBSTRUCT EVEN MORE
anyone got siege megatron?I'm gettin a little nervous about buying him or notNot a megatron fan, never have been. Only megatron figure I own is a movie one.The figure just looks pretty wild in terms of transformation. The arms are on a spinning part in the back? The front tank treads just flip backwards or do they do more? I know that the front of the tank flips all the way to the back of him. He's just so... strange, it makes it rather tempting
>>7385411This.G1 and G2 are legitimately the only things modern Hasbro can handle.Everything else is a massive step down.
>>7385423You know its true UTfag. We still don't have a new toy of the Headmaster triple changer yet you fucks demand more hollow manlet Optimus. Fuck you.
>>7385387Unicron Trilogy was a mistake
>>7385417Naw, they did Beast Wars great in Generations.
>>7385415It's a little more involved than that. The front of the tank and the treads pop forwards and folds into a backpack which goes over the back, which is the base of the rotating turret... hard to explain in words. Also something minor is that he doesn't really have treads, those are all vents for hovering. The backpack is basically a jetpack.
hoi doi other thread only on page five guys keep posting there, ruinining small boards!
>>7385433Those the Takara versions?Because the Hasbro Transmetals weren't that fucking good, and Cheetor's tail is wrong.
Super mode fists in the back of the new Armada Prime's legs
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>>7385411More.Pretenders. That is all.
>>7385439I'm pretty certain their the Hasbro versions. >Hasbro TransmetalsOnly on like Megatron, and only years down the line, because the plastic didn't age well.
>>7385434>ModernThat was like 4 years ago dummy.
>>7385447Hasbro did much of Beast Wars themselves anyway, so that anon's statement remains.
WWII Bumblebee looks like a baby Hound.
>>7385440I'm fucking ready baby.
Post transformers that you dont think get enough love.I love the colors on this guy so much. He has great range in his shoulders and legs and pull off some really nice dynamic poses.
>>7385481I just wish the crock head could be used as a weapon I'm robot mode.
>>7385481Krok loves love.
>>7385485CRIKEY! I wouldn't want to be in the middle of that, WEEEEW!
I really hope they retool masterpiece movie Jazz into transmetal megatron.
>>7385492Futureproof thinking my friend
>>7385492HAHA- now I'm sad.
>>7385492Hahaha mad man
>>7385437Based hoi doi anon.No im just kidding, fucking off yourself you bizzare old man.
>>7385449That's an ugly shelf.
>>7385387>Fuck geewunI agree.
*ahem*FUCK G1 and FUCK geewunners!
>>7385481I agree entirely on Krok. Sadly, he still holds the title of "Worst QC Ever" right out of the box for me. Almost every joint was loose, his leg practically fell off, a few of his teeth were bent inward, and one of his gator claws needed to be heated and bent so it could even stay on his wrist.On the same subject, Highbrow catches shit from almost everyone, but I cannot understand why. Maybe it's the near-universal wobbly-head syndrome that he seemed to have, because everything else about him is great. Also, the buzz was that the Hasbro one was superior to Takara because of some random paint apps on the upper arm, but the Takara one has WAY better color distribution, overall. The blue hands and gunmetal bits on the feet really even him out.
>>7385387What about something new instead?
>>7385604Hell yeah, we're gettin' laid!
>>7385617>"what about something new?">in a toyline that subsists completely out of nostalgia for old shitMay as well be Hasbro's epitaph.
>>7385625Im just tired of seeing the same characters every year. Something new would be amazing. Or just not have the big names be there. Imagine a good show leading Rodimus.
>>7385625I'll never get the people who go "man, I wish there was something NEW in this nostalgia redo line".
>2019>still no masterpiece jazz why
>>7385640I'd like it if we got a whole line of lesser known and somewhat new characters.
>>7385648They just announced it. Even comes in two pieces.
>>7385653MPM is fine but i want two
>>7385653I meant G1 Jazz
Is there actual clarification about why GM seems iffy on allowing toys to be made based off old concept cars? I keep hearing that brought up whenever people say that a SS Modern Camero Bumblebee won't get made.
>>7385640How about Botbots? they have 61 new characters just in wave 1
>>7385662Only if you promise not to reeeee because it looks like the cartoon when it happens.
>>7385617>>7385640I'm with ya. Last time they really took a risk or attempted something new was Beast Wars. I'd be all sorts of game for some brand new or seldom used Decepticons and Autobots that aren't the same guys we've been getting. Give me a decepticon faction led by a c-lister like Clench or Bludgeon. Or just make a fucker up.
>>7385676Get out of my fucking house
>>7385685Go back to playing Fortnite zoomer
>>7385684It's nice to see others have the same mindset. I can;t remember the last time I bought a transformers because it seems the same damn characters get put out over and over again with a lot of them not being all that great. I've been eyeing 3rd party more and more since there's a little bit more diversity in the characters.
>>7385411>G1 still has a lot of toys to be remadeYeah who would even think of remaking something not G1 when we've got our third versions of CHUG Ironhide, Hound, Prowl, Mirage & Starscream, our fifth version of Megatron, and our eight or so version of Prime to get in Siege? Don't forget such memorable characters that still need good figures like Doubledealer, the Sparkabots/Firecons, Monstructor, or the Pretender Beasts, they definitely need new figure treatment!Generations needs a breath of fresh air that isn't just "G1 figs with the occasional reference to an older line mixed in" and figs inspired by the unicron trilogy (Or maybe even RiD2001) could fit that bill easily. Though I'm biased since I just want more Minicons, Micromasters are nice but I want more little dudes.
>>7385662>>7385675it feels like porsche holding off this one car copyright to piss people off
>>7385701To be fair, these are the first good updates of Prowl and Ironhide.
>>7385662I though it was because they couldn't get the Porsche license.
I don't have any other BW MP's. Do I dare get masterpiece Titmonster?
>>7385712If you have $200 then yeah.
>>7385704And you'll say that when we get a fourth CHUG Prowl and Ironhide a few years down the line for a variety of reasons. Hell this time a year ago people were saying that CW Prowl and Ironhide were better than their Universe offerings (Ironhide definitely, but Prowl was at least debatable). You guys just prefer whatever's got the newest coat of paint thrown at you it seems.
>>7385701>third versions of CHUG Ironhide, Hound, Prowl, Mirage & StarscreamUniverse Ironhide was terrible. Hound was actually kinda cool, minus no heels. Prowl would have been good for the time, but had that paint issue, and overall awkward head in retrospect. Classic Mirage was a good toy, but hardly looked like the character he was representing. Starscream at the time was nice, but unfortunately short for a Deluxe, and articulation is lacking. The second versions of all these guys were, minus Starscream, all recolors of Combiner Wars Stunticons, not "proper" versions of the characters. Starscream at least got a new figure, but it was rather terrible.
>>7385684>Last time they really took a risk or attempted something new was Beast Wars.Beast Wars wasn't particularly a good seller, despite how some people rave about it "saving" the franchise. Every series since RID 2001 has sold significantly better than Beast Wars did.
>>7385676Yeah, the bot bits are pretty weak. Seems like the kind of stupid shit I'd buy because it was cheap and mildly amusing briefly but wouldn't survive the first round of a collection assessment and I'd regret buying them
>>7385675I only ever wanted Jazz for the possibility of Stepper/Ricochet, but now that I know he'd be cartoon retardation with fake parts and an ugly kibble backpack, I completely do not care if it ever happens.>>7385718>You guys just prefer whatever's got the newest coat of paint thrown at you it seems.The problem is that most TF collectors aren't toy enthusiasts. They're just looking to complete a character checklist with maximum-accuracy as priority. It's literally how the entire 3P market came into existence; people were impatient waiting for Hasbro to make some character or another so their Season 1 display could be complete.
The best movie bots were always the ones you never saw onscreen. I loved movie Brawn, because he had all these stupid, shitty kibble panels, but you could fold them around him like his own personal fortified shield bunker.
>>7385701>Don't forget such memorable characters that still need good figures like Doubledealer, the Sparkabots/Firecons, Monstructor, or the Pretender Beasts, they definitely need new figure treatment!There is literally no difference between minor characters like these or the cast of the UT.
>>7385733It was a saver because it got a foothold back in stores and a media presence back on TV.We still use Deluxe class, and equivalents to Basic and Mega/Ultra to this day. Of course later installments sold better, because the whole franchise had to be built back up after G2. Its like saying the first movie in a trilogy isn't a big deal because the later installments sold more tickets. You needed the first one to built it up in the first place.
>>7385749The non-movie designs were generally great. It was a good way for Hasbro to get out of their comfort zone and design some cool new designs(though obviously Brawn was an homage)
>>7385433eceryting about the armada sideswipe mold was an abomination
>>7385767The guy who made that one thinks of it as a "big brother" to the real gear video game controller gorilla.
>>7385440has this been reported if its a chug figure or part of a new line?cause i swear this looks like masterpiece
>>7385771He's also now designing 3P toys.
I know some of you would prefer an encore, but I want a remake of this fucker.
>>7385774It's not a Masterpiece since it doesn't look like the show.
>>7385714I would think $170. Though I'm sold either way. I need more girl bots.
>>7385746>The problem is that most TF collectors aren't toy enthusiasts.Which is what gets me on people being salty about UT remakes. Regardless of whether or not you like the continuity (I'll freely admit much of it is garbage as a UT fan) there are some designs in there that could make absolutely killer figures. Deluxe Starscream is a beautiful toy and the new Armada Optimus looks absolutely gorgeous, but we have people in this very thread salty that he's not the 3rd G1 Prime (Siege Voyager, MP44) we're getting this year. 5th if you count G1-esque (Bee Movie, Siege Leader Core). This is also why I can't fault Doubledealer-anon all that much, he's a cool design that would make a damn fun toy if it got updated properly.I'm also sure there will be UT fans who don't like the new Optimus because he's not screen accurate, regardless of how cool a toy it is.>>7385404>>7385411Outside of the Seeker mold and Universe Hot Shot those are all half-assed repaints with retooled heads - which Galaxy Prime will soon be joining as a slightly less half-assed retool. The only one even reasonably close is Thrust, and he's part of a Japan-only boxset. The Seeker mold is great, Hot Shot is terrible. Hardly an effective sample size.
>>7385790No way its more than $120 even with crazy Takara prices. No licensing to do unlike MP G1 Bee, size will be smaller than Cheetor, only thing padding the price will be partscount and accessories. Dinobot was expensive, but he was also fucking huge and chunky and Megatron si even bigger.
>>7385783I hate that the designation for the MP line has to be "cartoon accuracy". It's such a waste of a high-end line. It's especially funny when they word "Masterpiece" is entirely contradictory to the amount of effort put into just about every old Transformers cartoon.>>7385774Nobody knows what it is. The only assumption is that it might be LG-EX, since it's displayed near Star Convoy. Perhaps LG-EX is refocusing to also include new sculpts of characters from less-popular continuities (i.e., anything not GEEWUN) released in smaller quantities as exclusives, since entire lines of retail-level shit wouldn't sustain it? I dunno, just guessing here.
>>7385790>MP Blackarachnia is this tidy>MP Bumblebee is a kibblepocalypseWhat fucking timeline are we in?
>>7385799She's also twice the size and you know her beast mode will be ass.
>>7385749AOE was the last time we had those kinds of characters, and it wasn't as abundant as Movie-DOTM era.I think we had only what, 3-4 character tops?Some of those were redecos anyway, like Tracks and Rollbar, and the only new molds IIRC were Slash, Slug and Snarl. At least they were colorful though.
>>7385799Turning a living object made of curved parts into another living object has less difficulty than turning a round object into a body object.
>>7385802>beast mode will be assAh, yes. I forgot about this. Beast Wars MPs are basically the opposite side of the coin from Sunbow MPs.Whatever the fuck happened to balancing compromise? Why are all the MPs as of late just complete shit in one mode or the other? Well, you could argue that MP-44 is equally shit in both modes, I guess.
>>7385806Because compromise results in inferior toys.
>>7385797>It's especially funny when they word "Masterpiece" is entirely contradictory to the amount of effort put into just about every old Transformers cartoon.Just about ANY designation for any TF size or whatever is self-aggrandizing, don't think too much of it. No company wants to sell a toy thats labelled as "just kinda ok". I remember reading a TF review on Collection DX and one of the comments was about how cheap a figure seemed for what was supposed to be a "Deluxe" figure.
>>7385792>there are some designs in there that could make absolutely killer figuresI agree. I was never a fan of UT, but there's some great potential there for figures. Hell, I was never really a fan of anything, I only got into Transformers about 10 years ago, in terms of toy collecting. I started out being kind of a retroactive geewunner and an extreme pleb, but now I just want good toys and it pains me to see such a simple objective getting fucked over by stupid design choices, G1 pandering, and wanking to 30-year-old trash designs.
>>7385799>>MP Blackarachnia is this tiddyFixed that for you.
What are you guys' honest thoughts on scale? How big of a deal is it to you? I'm doing a G1 Autobots display and I feel my OCD kicking in. >Siege Sideswipe looks small next to Universe Sunstreaker in alt and bot mode>Classics Bumblebee is too tall next to Siege OptimusWhat do
>>7385819bite the pillow and wait for hasbro to redo them?
>>7385821Yeah, there's always that. Especially with Streaker since there really is no better alternative. I might get a legends Bee, though. It just sucks because I actually like classics BB as a figure, but he doesn't fit well with newer figures.
>>7385819>I'm the biggest now, I'M the leader!
>>7385824Sunstreaker's getting made at some point. I doubt they'd leave us hanging with only one of the Lambo brothers. Bee is getting a new toy later but I'm really worried he'll be too expensive for a deluxe.
>>7385802>>7385806The Beast Wars MP Beast modes aren't pretty but they look just like the dopes from the cartoon its great. Dinobot is the only one who's truly a clusterfuck. Having realistic beast modes like Rhinox is cool and all, but the BW MPs actually look like characters and it gives them a lot of soul.
>>7385837What the fuck?
>>7385837OK then...? That actually looks kinda cool.
How are the g1 prime kos?Never had one and wanted one to go on the g1 shelf.
>>7385849He also comes with a drill vehicle? This just keeps getting weirder.
>>7385852The new gimmick is putting armor on.https://kotaku.com/transformers-cyberverse-toys-get-armored-up-in-2019-1832513835
>>7385856 We kancolle now
What's the armor for Jetfire ?
>>7385876Nevermind, found it. I got confused because I thought that was Ratchet at first.
>>7385877I kind of break with the usual habit of "jetfire get to be armored into a macross jet"
Toys R us is apparently going to be making retail stores againhttps://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/11/geoffreys-new-troops-to-command-toys-r-us-re-emerges-as-tru-kids-brands-382513
i'm waiting for the day some podunk engineering student makes a fake toy render to hype everyone up
>>7385856>>7385856Give me a few minutes to crop and paste so we don’t have to upload all 25 images individually.
>>7385883They can get fucked. After the awful clearance sale I would hope they stayed bankrupt.
Optimus is the same size as the Ark
Is anyone else just really happy that the kids toys are now actually really fucking cool and seem to have solid basic posability? The kids growing up with sick armour gattai will be some fine TF fans in the future
So Cyberverse is essentially pretenders now?
>>7385887This was one neck and two thigh swivels away from being bought. This is the kind of crazy shit I love from Transformers, but the crunch on parts count is really hitting them where I care most: The articulation,
>>7385896Peak levels of weird flex
>>7385901Same, the moment I noticed the lack of swivels I just felt sad.
What could've been...
>>7385898Not a huge accomplishment to make something better than the one step changers, but I am glad they appear to have the spark of imagination in them again.
>>7385904Swivels are dead joke
>>7385911Yeah I know it's not hard to beat what we had before, but these are actually kind of freakin' cool, an optimus that wears the fucking ark like a suit of badass armour is something I would've chummed over as a kid
>>7385856Looks like kids and adults can bond over these lines.
>>7385819Universe Sides and Sunny always felt a bit bigger to me, for an in scale collection the easy way would be to start again with Siege, the g1 inspired designs all are following the same scale (can't say the same for galaxy convoy), but if you don't want to start again there are options, TR bee is pretty decent, better if you don't mind to cheat swaping around his arms hidding his shoulder doors on the back.
>>7385864Are the armor parts modular?
>New Cyberverse toys>No WindbladeAre we finally free?
>>7385894>tfw Cyberverse shit is legitimately cooler than most of the stuff we just saw from Wonderfest
>>7385922Hard to say, some seem to attach to the chest but the plug for it is different. We'll have to wait and see if the back attachment for the armor is universal for all figures.
>>7385749I love how he comes out of altmode already holding his two pistols, he's pretty awesome and dynamic to pose.>>7385789You can free up his neck balljoint with a little disassembling of the nosecone and some shaving inside of the smaller clear bit, right where his chin rubs. I think someone on here told me to do that, years back when I first got him, and it certainly helped.
>>7385932>alternate version of the TF movie where Starscream kills the Constructicons for their horn playing and wears them as corpse armor
>>7385932Now I am the Scoop
>>7385887>>7385896>>7385913>>7385920>>7385932>>7385938Yet another curse of this fandom. See how cool this is? But it's relegated to a cheap garabge toyline with no articulation made for children, because original ideas this cool wouldn't fly in the Generations or MP line. Imagine the kind of awesome toys we could be getting if pandering to manchildren wasn't the objective.
>>7385938Man, that battleship looks so cool. Are they trying to trick me into buying a Bumblebee?
>>7385947Well I guess they can't all be winners
>>7385792I have to disagree, people are salty on UT remakes is because its not required. The toys from Armada to Cybertron are already good with a balance between gimmicks and articulation. It would be better for HasTak to not waste time remaking toys that are already good and instead continue remaking G1 toys as well as those in the later periods that still don't have a remake like Doubledealer. Yet UTfags keeps clamoring for a remake just to justify their likes and existance.
>>7385947Well that sure was a worthwhile use of my time to save us all of an extra 12 images from the limit.I trust you all to squander them wisely.
>>7385932does he actually have knees this time?
>>7385945The MP line has never been about original ideas, so I don't know what universe you're pretending you're from.
>>7385856Fancy website link for those who want the individual images but don’t want to put up with kotaku’s slideshow nonsense:https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/cyberverse-2019-spark-armor-figures.1169127/
>>7385945100% this, but just because it's for children doesn't mean it needs to be a "cheap garbage toyline with no articulation", the RiD toys had a passable level of articulation and some really fun bots. I don't get why they further cut corners for the Cyberverse line.I'm well and good with having some fun more stylized/cartoony robots with fun gimmicks, I just don't want them to be total bricks.
>>7385958Mp 3 was pretty unique
>>7385938Better be 5mm pegs. Honestly can't give a shit on the Cyberverse toys but those vehicle/armor they come with can make great customs.
>>7385955"Alright, alright, I have a job oportunity for you".
>>7385960That said I'm totally gonna buy that Skybyte and Jetfire.
>>7385887>>7383709So anon, based on how satisfied you are with this outcome, did you use a genuine monkey’s paw or a bootleg to grant you your wish?
>>7385945>>7385960Hasbro should make gimmicks in Generations too. Everyone's combiners! Everyone's headmasters!But alas, Hasbro would never do anything that cool.
>>7385958>"man, it's a shame we can't get toys like this but in higher quality">"MP LINE WAS ALWAYS CARTOON ACCURACY AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR THINKING IT WAS EVER ANYTHING ELSE OR THAT IT COULD EVERY BE ANYTHING ELSE REEEEEEE"Idiot.
>>7385885>i'm waiting for the day some podunk engineering student makes a fake toy render to hype everyone upThat happened 14 years ago and he got a job at Hasbro
>>7385960True and this why TF slowly dying...imagine children toyline like Animated or Prime today, good times.
>>7385972or what about transformers that detach to become weapons/extra limbs?but no way, too kiddy for that.
>>7385976>Literally said "original ideas like this wouldn't fly in the MP line>you start screeching about cartoon accuracyShow me on the doll where G1 touched you, anon.
>>7385896Is it just me or is this gridman as fuck?
>>7385960Oh yea because a transformer that destructs and reconstructs itself into weapons and vehicles for other characters to use has just been done to death in the transformers line.
>>7385981It touched me on the part that actually appreciates good toys.
>>7385864Looking at this one’s armor arms in particular, is there any chance these all combine together to for there own robot?Sort of like Powered Zenon from SSSS Gridman. (Couldn’t think of any transformer examples of that style of power-up mushroom combiner)
>>7385984Feel free to go collect something else then faggot. Or quit your bitching and just buy the ones you want, ignoring the rest, it's what the rest of us did for the past decade of constant bayformers. Hell, I even wound up liking some of them when I'd previously thought I wouldn't, imagine that huh? Funny what happens when you stop taking this hobby so deathly fucking serious all the time, they're just toys you mongoloid.
>>7385982It's not just youIt is, indeed, very fucking gridman
>>7385951>The toys from Armada to Cybertron are already good with a balance between gimmicks and articulation.>balance>articulation>Armadapppffffffft
>>7385965...I’m listening.(These were done on a phone with a collage app, so don’t expect me to provide quality image edits)
>>7385994>what kind of toy do you want>just unicron trilogy my shit up
>>7385982>>7385985>>7385990Takara keeps engineers on board for literally decades. Theres a good chance some old designer at takara who worked on Gridman Worked on these toys.
>>7385997The joke he's going for is that it looks like Optimus is combining with Leader-1 from go-bots.
>>7386004>implying Takara designed cheap hollow Cyberverse
>>7385885>>7385977Also happened for 3rd party back in 2011 with this HoS Insectitrain.(Apparently that and a HoS Starscreem were the guy’s final project.)
>>7385755>Doubledealer has no character outside of Japan and like 4 issues from IDW>None of the Sparkabots/Firecons are relevant outside of Guzzle due to showing up in LSOTW>Monstructor actually is kinda relevant in IDW but by the end of the run he's just that big nigh-invincible combiner that keeps popping up for events>Carnivac is kinda relevant due to being a favorite of Simon Furman during his UK run and showing up in SOTW, but the other Pretender Beasts are all pretty much one-noteMeanwhile Armada Starscream has more personality than the majority of the post-Rebirth G1 cast
What's your favorite figure you've bought recently? Mine's definitely mp+ megatron
>>7385992Christ that was fast.
>>7386009Only for it to be shatted over in Galaxy.
>>7385837>>7385849>>7385856>>7385864>>7385877>>7385881>>7385886>This is what I wanted Power of the Primes to be>Ended up getting Combiner Wars leftovers and shitty versions of Pretenders just to say "We did them already and they didn't sell well, there's no market for Pretenders"Definitely grabbing that Sky-Byte though, how has the rest of the Cyberverse releases been so far?
>>7385960You're fucking retarded. "RID TOYS HAD A PASSABLE LEVEL OF ARTICULATION" is bullshit, RID articulation was awful outside of the warrior size. These have much better articulation and aesthetics than the bulk of the RID line's shit. It's a genuine improvement in every front and the opposite of cutting corners.
>>7385446These guys right here. These are the ones I want an update on. Specifically TM1 Megatron
>>7385956Why are you asking that while quoting a picture that clearly shows his knee joint and the knee bending in the same photo?
>>7385945Retard. GENERATIONS is a line about celebrating the past with modern toy tech. MP is about jerking off boomers to get every last dollar they're willing to pay. Original ideas are for kids.
>>7386006Takara works in every single toyline. The RID Combiners these threads shit about for months were designed by Hasui himself. They do their job no matter what budget Hasbro gives them.
>>7386013As best as I understood it, Galaxy/Cybertron wasn’t really totally in the same continuity as Armada and Unicron.(I think maybe there was supposed to be some kind of in-universe reboot? Possibly caused by Unicron becoming a blackhole? Look, I don’t know, I’m going off memory here.)
>>7386021>They do their job no matter what budget Hasbro gives them.Sad
>>7386009>PersonalityWhat the fuck does that matter? They're toys, I can give anyone whatever personality or role I want. Armada Starscraem was a poor man's Dinobot.
>>7386024Would you rather have toys with a bad budget AND engineered by bad engineers at the same time? That's not "sad".
>>7386027I would rather have toys that are actually good and not overpriced hollow unpainted crap
>>7386022The cartoon wasn't, but the toyline was clearly meant to be an Armada/Energon continuation. they brought back Red alert, Hot Shot/Jetfire continued to be prominent cast members, Megatron's armor references armada Unicron.
>>7386017>think RiD was more hollow and less painted than CyberverseWhat a brainlet.
>>7386030Wish granted! No Takara engineers and no hollow bits.
>>7386022They were supposed to be one continuous story as laid out by Archer. The studios promptly ignored that.Galaxy Force is its own separate thing, the Cybertron dub tries to tie it back in. UT media is a clusterfuck in general and Armada Starscream was a complete fluke
>>7385439Hasbro's Transmetals still had a shit ton of paint compared to anything modern. And Cheetor's tail is a modern 3D Printed thing, along with Rattrap's gun.
>>7386030Then you can go live in the universe where parents are willingly to buy a 60 dollar deluxe or where a multinational company is willingly to risk to find out if a parent is willing to buy a 60 dollar deluxe.But naturally, you're not gonna be doing that, so how about instead you go find another hobby instead of whining that kid toys aren't made with collector sensibilities anymore?
>>7386045>actually buy Hasbro excusesFucking unbelievable > 60 dollar deluxeYou realize how ridiculously the CHUG lline have become overpriced as well?! I mean at this point it's better to buy 3rd party.
>>7385449Yeah like 20 years ago.Meanwhile their recent Primal was abysmal.
>>7386020>GENERATIONS is a line about celebrating the past with modern toy tech. Time was though, where generations actually did modern reinterpretations of characters designs (particularly for alt-modes) like Giving Perceptor a halftrack alt-mode or Kup an old earth pickup truck.These days (I’m not really familiar with the exact ‘eras’ terminology we’ve coined), it’s usually a lot more G1-with-joints or at least slavishly recreating the classic blocky ‘G1’ robot designs like it’s trying to be MP-lite.
>>7386052It's better than the original, though.
>>7386039>Wish granted! No Takara engineers I never said I didn't want them
>>7386055I really wish we could go back to that. The new Prime is obviously inspired by Armada but not slavish to it, and he looks sexy as fuck for the liberties he does take. Reminds me of how I felt about Classics Prime, minus the door shields. Even then those grew on me a bit.
>>7386055MP-lite is a better idea for a Generations line. Modern reinterpretations of character designs belongs more in modern series' lines, as most characters in the shows and movies are reinterpretations of older ones.
>>7386055I'd rather a toy be good than just redeisgned because it's "new". Perceptor and Kup sucked and it wasn't because they weren't 80s block guys.
>>7385938>>7385947STOP PLEASE I CANT STOP CUMMING
>>7386073>MP-lite is a better idea for a Generations line.I think it already is at this point.
>>7385449>Hasbro did much of Beast Wars themselvesNot true! Again, Kenner collaborated with Takara. Why do you think they all had Takara printing on them and had Japanese releases? The same Takara designer who worked on 96 Cheetor even worked on the Universe version
>>7385945We have had like three stupid gimmick lines aimed at collectors in a row.They have all been shit.I miss when Hasbro just made good figures of current media with gimmicks being sprinkled in on a figure by figure basis instead of G1 but now everyone can combine into an ugly floppy mess, G1 but everyone is a floppy headmaster or G1 but you can yank figures apart and turn them into ugly kibble.
>>7386077>Generation kup>BadFuck you
>>7386010He looks cool. I have no interest in that mold, but if I had to get it, I'd get that version. I had no idea it was out already; all the Wonderfest news kind of drowned it out, I guess.I haven't bought anything new that I really love, recently, but I picked up United Lugnut for a steal and he's an absolute treasure.
>>7386088>The same Takara designer who worked on 96 Cheetor even worked on the Universe versionWhat the fuck happened?!
I hope we'll be able to mix and match the various cyberverse armors among the characters.
>>7385837>Ask for new Sky-Byte yesterday>This drops out of nowhere
>>7386077Okay here’s a better example: >Generations Warpath. I actually prefer his robot and tank mode to the various 3rd-party ‘MPs’ versions who gave him a more traditional tank and G1 robot look, instead of the Scorpion-esque H-tank generations went with.These days if they did a Warpath I’m pretty sure it would turn out looking more like Siege impactor (who realistically has a non-insignificant chance of actually being remolded into him.)If you want I can list several other examples of early generations and classics which weren’t total G1-redux and were still great toys.
>>7386127Same here man, I just snagged a rts lugnut for 40$
>>7385837Ohhhh neat. I'm all for a new skybite
>>7386073But we're not even getting that anymore. The current cartoon designs are just G1 animation models drawn wonky with no new ideas. And it looks like the movies are gonna be "g1 designs drawn very cluttered" if the Bee movie is any indication from now on, so there's no cool modernization in that direction either.
>>7385414>That post movie era of "make everything complicated as SHIT" really hurt the toys a lotBut Archer Era is the best
>>7386125>that backpack>those fucking forearm panels>that tiny, ugly head sculpt>shoulders that don't clip in>75% of his alt mode just becomes parts that hang off of him awkwardly in one way or anotherI loved him back in the day, and as much as I appreciate his awesome alt. mode and interesting new take on the bot mode, very little about the toy itself is objectively good.>>7386135Thanks for reminding me I still need to pick him up. I've spent a majority of the last couple of years rounding up old stuff that I skipped for some reason or another.
>>7386077>taste this bad
>>7385906something nobody cares about...
>>7386099Retards are already shitting on Cog?
>>7386147G2, Animated and Prime were the best eras.
>>7386154All the Generation toys up until Spinger/ Sandstorm were great.
>>7386150This. Back then, we were just checklistfags, buying toys just because they were characters we wanted to fill holes in our collection. Now we're finally getting new toys and the retards in these threads are screaming because they can't recoup the costs they put into the toys they bought then.
>>7386154The Prime toyline isn't even as good as its First edition toyline, though
>>7385906We got that figure set technically, just the Ravage only had an articulate neck, but included a dog chain for the Baroness to walk him around with. It was released as a SDCC set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWpsfPyAyo
>>7386154>>7386162I consider the Prime toyline pot-first edition an huge set-back, as it introduced the use of faux-forming kibbles that got to be more and more used over the years.
>>7386153I have yet to see a single Cog combo that looks even close to good.
>>7386158Springer is one of the last truly great TFs.I remember thinking we were about to enter a golden age when he came out.
>>7386088>Not true!Prove otherwise. Western designers were heavily involved in the line following the original movie, resulting in some hit or miss figures and gimmicks in the waning years of G1. Japan didn't start getting heavily involved again until Unicron Trilogy. >and had Japanese releasesAs if they're not going to release them in Japan.
>>7386153>learn cog is a headmaster>even get a toy as such>Go see the movie solely to see it>Bring the old guy with him to a car>"okay, that's his body">get to an other car>"okay, he drove up to his body">do it again>and again>never get to change into a head for a bigger robot body>never transform at allThey were willingly fucking with us, weren't they ?
>>7386175It and DOTM were the first to strip down paint and give us things like clipped wheels. Back when it happened there was a huge outcry over this. I'm surprised history has been so kind to the TFP line which, did have cool toys all things considered. It and the DOTM line did do cool things even with the cut budget, and I think DOTM doesn't get enough respect for how well it streamlined the movie designs after two movie lines. I think a lot of the love for the TFP line comes from it being a lot of people's first TF experience as adults.
>>7386181>thought we were entering a golden age>can't even stand up because of his shitty heelspurs>shipped in the same case as the atrocious BlitzwingYou can't just try and rewrite history like that anon
>>7386185It was pointed out that the line saying Cogman's a headmaster was said by the old man who's not on screen when he said it. It was probably added late into the movie after Hasbro decided to make a toy of him.
>>7386185Cog, not Cogman.
>>7386185That's Michael Bay for you. He literally doesn't care about cool robots anymore. I mean the knights turning into that stupid needle dragon and Infernicus just being a monster was just there so they didn't have to animate challenging transformations. I can't even remember if Optimus transforms in that movie.
>>7386196He does, it happens off-screen
>>7386158Generation toys aren't true kids toys (neither collectors) and not creative.>>7386162True, the first edition was awesome. Still, later editions kept the same quality.
>>7386184>Prove otherwiseYou can find a few Takara designers that worked on Beast Wars and Beast Machines. They were already involved in G2. There's an interview I'd have to dig up where a Kenner employee talks about collaborating with Takara for the Beast Wars relaunch and how the execution came out very takara.
>>7386191>Can't even stand up because of his shitty heelspursWhat?The rotating heel spurs let me put him in pretty much any pose I wanted stably.>shipped in the same case as the atrocious BlitzwingI was a major TF casual at the time and only bought random characters I liked.
>>7386198>Still, later editions kept the same quality.It did not. Compare Deluxe Bumblebee and arcee tot heir first edition counterparts. Bulkhead and Optimus were shitshows. Vehicon was the only improvement.
>>7386197ah yes, off screen so Bay can save money to make more scenes with the military shooting guns that nobody cares about.
>>7386198>Generation toys aren't true kids toys (neither collectors) and not creative.They were great toys with plenty of creativity.
>>7386207G1 redone, I like generation but that truth.
>>7386209>G1 redoneThat's a neutral qualifier, not a statement of the quality of the toy. the only way it can matter is if you don't like G1. Also, it actually had also Beast Wars and Hot Shot.
>>7385755>There is literally no difference between minor characters like these or the cast of the UT.An entire generation of new TF fans didn't grow up with G1 D-listers
>>7386210There's basically no info about who designed what before 1999/Car Robots on either side of the coast. There's no reason to think Takkara only helped out on a few toys, because why would they be hired to only work on certain ones?
>>7386221This, I'm so tired of the 80's losers who missed out on the glory ays of 84-86 clamoring who Micromaster Who-gives-a-fuck. Like, I actually respect old as fuck 80's boomers who just want MP-84-85 guys, thats respectable. But then you have people born in 82-88 or so, too young for the days the franchise was relevant, who become so fucking obsessive over stupid D-listers because their parent couldn't find them a Prowl or a Skywarp as a kit because those were long off shelves. All those guys were in their mid-20s when internet communities starting getting big so they became loud voices, making Hasbro think people actually care about that era.
>>7386232>I actually respect old as fuck 80's boomers who just want MP-84-85 guysThe 86 movie is literally the only piece of G1 media worth watching and it has the best designs from the era.Fuck the pre-movie retards.
>>7386237I still include the TFTM stuff as the relavent era, and a lot of 84/85 collectors do collect stuff from that cast, too. I'm mainly talking about the stuff that had no cartoon appearances except for brief cameos in Japanese cartoons or story pages or whatever.
>>7386232Worst post on this entire board. What even makes the G1 cast better than anything else in the franchise?PersonallyI just want cool robots. Star Saber and Grandus are cool, Sunbow Geewun designs fucking aren't and never will be, so suck my cock
>>7386232>>7386243Worst posts in the whole site.
>>7386176I choose to believe this is bait, in some kind of tsundere attempt to get us to post more cog-combos.
>>7386243Grandus would be fine if he didn't have that stupid gundam thing going on where the legs are 80% of his height. And, y'know, if he weren't the brick supreme.
>>7386243The diaclone/Microman designs were simply better than most of the stuff that came after. And I don't include Star saber or main characters from Japanese stuff after after Headmasters; basically any of the Japanese original molds from g1 were still cool. I'm talking about crap like the micromasters, Pretenders, Triggerbots/cons, spakbots, etc; just all the crap cheap looking stuff.
>>7386253I can't wait to see what kind of combinations will come out of brunt and sixgun.
>>7386154>PrimeNo>>7386158>All the Generation toys up until Spinger/ Sandstorm were great.Wrong
>>7386185Supposedly he decapitated Nitro-Zeus and body-jacked him Animated style in a scene that they cut out or never ended up finalizing. Which is why those toys have the ability to do that.
>>7386198>Still, later editions kept the same quality.You were clearly not present at the time.Please stop spreading lies
>>7386259What if we stop redoing toys with very specific gimmicks via half-assed remolds?
>Star saber is one of the only main protagonists in the franchise not to be an Optimus Copy-paste>Completely lost to the annals of history>Even the Victory and Masterforce decepticons get more love than him>thank you based hasbro I love eating this delicious G1 excrement over and over again, please never give us Lugnut or Bulkhead or toys of anybody who came out after the 86 movie>Never give us the Armada Convoy who actually looks better than most MPs and would be a success with how much Armada nostalgia there is>Never give us a good Hot Rod either, he killed prime!>Definitely don't give us Deathsaurus: Megatron is the only deception (NOT DESTRON) leader for me!>And no matter what>PLEASE make us pay 200 dollars for a micrometer base. THANK GOD Commander class is Jetfire (a G1 Classic) and not Grandus or Shuttle Robo, I HATE affordable micrometer bases that will actually fit on my desk and aren't based on atrocious Korean Gook toysI love you John warden let me suck your cock PLEASEHE SAVED TRANSFORMERSTRANSFORMERS IS SAVED AAAHHHH IM CRYINGI LOVE YOU OPTIMNUS PRMEU GOT THE TOUCH
>>7386272That star Convoy is fucking awesome and might contain one of the best iteration of G1 Convoy.
So I went to Walmart on the hunt for a second Cog. No Deluxes but I did snag some battle masters. They look cool.
>>7386276>>Completely lost to the annals of historyHe won the Master Piece vote with a landside, so, I'd say you are wrong about that.
>>7386257I get the hate for pretenders and headmasters although TR justified the laterI fucking love micromasters and smaller TFs as a whole tho, why the hate?
>>7386282Don't respond to it.
>>7386017Soundwave, Bisk, Quillfire, Blurr, Bludgeon, Fracture, Scorponok, Takara Drift and Jazz would all like a word with you. Name 4 good Cyberverse figures. Shockwave has a lazy shit alt mode so I'll wait.The biggest shame of RiD was they didn't give us enough figures of the unique con designs.
>>7386276The fact Dai Atlas and Star Convoy are exclusive Japan only releases and not Star Saber gives me hope that they'll make him a regular release at some point, since he's the only one that got skipped.
>>7386276Star saber got a fucking MP.
>>7386218>not a statement of the quality of the toy.> the only way it can matter is if you don't like G1I never even mentioned it and in fact I said I do like generations.
>>7386276Titan class tidal wave when?
>>7386286I'd say Windlblade if they gave her a sword, and leg swivels. She's probably the nicest looking Windblade face-wise and proportion-wise.
>>7386257>The diaclone/Microman designs were simply better than most of the stuff that came after.Based>micromastersThey were fun toys and had better articulation than most G1 toys.
>>7386260I agreeGenration jetfire and rhinox where also great
>>7386286All of those toys are Warrior toys you absolute fucking retard. 90% of the actual line was 1-STEP 3-STEP garbage and other crazier gimmicks that led to equally bad toys.By the way, none of the toys you mentioned are good. They're only "good for RID".
>>7386297Yeah she wasn't bad, but fuck that battle mask one shelfwarmed hard.
>>7386289>I never even mentioned itExcuse me ? the post I directly quoted is this one >>7386209>G1 redoneSo, yeah, you outright mention it.
>>7386284>>7386298Micromasters might've been fun toys but they're not notable or interesting designs. Just bland. There's no reason to go back to those specific designs that are barely characters, just make new cool small robots.
>>7386058Eh, I disagree. That light gimmick was really neat and the size gave him some heft compared to the rest of the line, the newer version just feels like a light and updated version of a bad design.I give them props for the Throne Of The Primes version just because gorilla colors for him looks damn good, and Takara hooking us up with it means I can't bitch about the pisspoor availability.
>>7386304Id argue that drift was legit
>>7386291He would be more suited for a Commender class.
>>7386304And that's exactly what Cyberverse is dumbfuck, they have less of a warrior selection than RiD. So where is your argument? Now I await your answer, 4 good Cyberverse toys, you claimed it's the better line.I'm waiting.
>>7386253Nice giant legs and gimpy arms.Cog a shit.
>>7386304>not liking the kino Soundwave or BludgeonYou must hate fun
>>7385945Customize it. Socket joints and drills are cheap.
>>7386313The Adventures series Drift was great and reasonably priced for an Takara figure, but I never dug the head sculpt or colors on the Hasbro ones
>>7386055But G1 Perceptor had a tank mode too.
>>7386318I prefer RID Bludgeon to RotF Bludgeon. This one sure is a missed opportunity though.
>>7386272Fuck I'd buy this
>>7386286>>7386318>>7386331Superior RID Bludgeon coming through
>>7386315Wrong you absolute autist. The fact is that your average Cyberverse toy is much better looking and much more fun than 3-Step Grimlock or whatever. The line's average direction of "toys for kids" BLOWS RID's garbage out of the water. Because no, no some half-assed weak kinda-deluxes do not change the fact that the great bulk of RID was absolute shit.Both lines are gimmicky and kiddy, the difference being Cyberverse toys don't look like shampoo bottles with no action features or play patterns beyond "well it exists on your shelf timmy". Even the new season toys are arleady a much better use of a gimmick than RID's gimmick seasons such as "minicons that look like shit and dont transform and stand there in your fucking chest."All toys in this comparison sheet are equivalent in price.
>>7386276>IDW reminded everyone in the west that G2 and Japanese Continuity exist>Nerds bitch, piss, and moan because of a few trannies and gays quarantined in one of the ongoingsReasons we can't have nice things.
>>7386019it was more of a surprise than a question, considering the last Starscream didn't.
>>7386272Turning from an Optimus Prime to a crazy super version is what they should have done originally with it.
>>7385994Be real though, articulation aside he looks fucking awesome.
>>7385913>they kept the tard faceGod damn it
>>7386286Slipstream, if only for character collectors not willing to pay scalpscum prices.
>>7386339RID toys were much better than the RID tots.
>>7386347He looks like an unga bunga. Unless I'm buying a statue articulation should never be put aside.
>>7386309>they're not notable or interesting designs. Just bland.I disagree, some were great. Also they were know for having two reverse color robots, which Hasbro only did with one new Micromaster set....of course.
>>7385440Oh baby. I hope we get a decent Armada Megatron down the line.
>>7385994>>7386347When thew said Armada was basically just a new G1, suddenly the whole toyline clicked with me. Its just Hasbro doing G1 styled bricks again.
>>7386306G1 Redone because it's basically the same characters with the designs from G1, sheesh.
>>7386339>using the last RID toys which look exctaly like the first releases of Cyberverse
>>7385749Thanks anon, you prompted me to dig out some of my old movie toys. I'd forgotten just how great some of those offscreen figures were.Terradive is the best jetformer ever.
>>7386359Yes, and again my point to that was >>7386218>That's a neutral qualifier, not a statement of the quality of the toy. the only way it can matter is if you don't like G1. Also, it actually had also Beast Wars and Hot Shot.Now I have no idea what you meant by "I never mentioned that", but right now, that point still stand.
>>7385749I say the good movie toys were teh one who managed to be accurate while almost not cheating.RotF/DotM Leader Prime is still an impressive piece of work.
>>7386287This is logical deduction. You need to take that shit to a different fandom. Transfans only thrive on knee-jerk reactions and constant hysteria over nothing. LOL
>>7386287>Star SaberThere is a Star Saber ? I don't remember seeing a prototype.
I think my problem with Micromasters is alt modes and scale. If you are doing a bot the size of the arm of another bot, their alt mode scale shouldn't be that different. Its just sad. >"Come on, Roadhandler. I'M a car, you're a rollerskate. FOR A HUMAN.">"You're not my real dad!"Why not have shit that's to scale for the modern updates, like bicycles and drones? You could get some interesting weapon modes out of that.
>>7386389Your reading comprehension is dreadful.
>>7386365Two of those toys were from the first wave. The third one is from the second year, not the last "Combiner Force" year.
>>7386276>>Completely lost to the annals of history>Got an MP before nearly the entire cast of G1 retard>THANK GOD Commander class is Jetfire (a G1 Classic) and not Grandus or Shuttle RoboHow dare they trial a new size class with a well known character who will sell well over some literally whos from 30 years ago.
Got my first Masterpiece today, and holy fuck. Been eyeing this figure for almost a fucking decade, and pictures just have not done it justice (even if mine is the upscaled MPP10)
>>7386416weijiangs big boi ko outshines the official in my eyes
>>7385919yea I'm probably gonna get myself a TR Bee. he seems to fit the best and not look too horrible
>>7385712I can't wait to fondle those things. The left nipple looks like it even has a milk duct.
>>7386026This, really.In my head, Armada Starscream is Redwing taking on the name for the "clout".I still want Armada remakes, though.
>>7386444He feels so nice, as someone who's never had a non hasbro figure the quality of the thing is astonishing.
>>7385938The gods are kind today.
>>7385955Doing God's work, anon.
>>7385684>a c-lister like Clench or BludgeonHow about a d-lister? Or would switchblade be a z-lister? My point is, Universe toyline/cartoon fucking when?
TFW new Hot Shot never
>>7385797>Perhaps LG-EX is refocusing to also include new sculpts of characters from less-popular continuities (i.e., anything not GEEWUN) released in smaller quantities as exclusives, since entire lines of retail-level shit wouldn't sustain it? I dunno, just guessing hereIf that’s the case, give me a damn Powerhug with working arms. Also toy-accuracy so it can sit with his friends and not stand out
>>7386003This guy always seemed to have an interesting take on one of the core standard Beastformer designs; rather than dedicate one arm to the beast mode’s head so that his hand is an animal’s jaw, this guy put his foot down and chose to transform a normal hand growing out of the rhino’s neck, and build a whole new claw hand out of a barely-transformed rhinoceros ass.Like, he’s just insulting his enemies at this point, as he simultaneously punches and teabags them by hitting them in the face repeatedly with a buttfist.