Waifus edition>TQ: Are you satisfied with amount of cheesecake and beefcake in this set?
>>68316257>Lemme see that prince dick
>>68316254>>TQ: Are you satisfied with amount of cheesecake and beefcake in this set?No, we don't have enough daring princes kicking balaurs in their magic carpets. And the Dulcinea expy is ugly and grim conflicting with her role in the book.
We're never gonna get balkan/slavic fantasy now that we've had Ravnica, Innistrad and Eldraine.No Fat-Frumos, no Balaur, no dhampir, no gypsie curses, no Koschei or Baba Yaga.
>>68316503Is Global Series not a thing anymore? They introduced literally China, so why not literally Russia?
>>68316254not impressed, but mtg cake is usually weakI am also convinced that a large number of mtg tourists are responsible for shitting up these threads, if the last handful are any indicatorsI mean, the current set isn't absolute garbage, but it certainly isn't worth dying on a hill for either
>>68316592It doesn't seem to be, also those decks were weaker than a couple boosters of Portal.
>>68316651Every set is the one that will kill the game.
>>68316592wasn't a success, no reason to keep pushing it>>68316678even the last three
>>68316678even the last three didn't have this level of political bait, retarded arguments and pedantic discussions, and these had a lot more actual issues
>>68316592Because Russia has no money while China is potentially a super lucrative market. This is why so many movies have Chinese investment companies giving them money, because studios get more money from China if a Chinese company is involved. Which also means these companies make sure these movies meet the Chinese Government’s cultural guidelines. They’ll give it all away to get a foothold in the Chinese market. Fuck ‘em all.
>>68310138>Food is just energy in disguise.I don't see a problem with this. Food has a use beyond being energy tokens, so you have a reason to use them when you're not playing an energy deck. It may not be a great use, as clues and treasures are both strictly better, but it is something more than "nothing the fuck at all."I for one welcome our mostly nonparasitic alternate cost overlords.
>>68316712Amonkhet spoiler season was quite a trip. I think Dominaria was worse though, people were losing their fucking minds.
>>68316776Imagine you went back to your hometown and everyone was now black.
>>68316776amonkhet was bad, but it was a proper /pol/ triggerI'm guessing this time it's the lorefags that got the short hand of the stick ?
>>68316752Most MtG products started to get Russian translation just this year so I think Russia is fine
>>68316864...what are you on? I have a Russian Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind from Guildpact. That wasn't just this year.
>>68316886Supplemental products such as Modern Horizons and Commander weren't printed at Russian until 2019
>>68316886I know that non-set stuff such as duel decks weren't translated up until very recently
>>68316851Well it's not like it's hard to trigger /pol/fags. As far as the cake goes, its pretty meh. Digging the mechanics though
Somehow Murderous Rider is pre-ordering for only $5. May I remind you all that Vraska's Contempt was a thing and went to $20 at its peak.
>>68316965People think its too affiliated with knight tribal, they are fools.
>>68316965finally, some good fucking art in mtg
Who excited to play shittons of Equipment in Limited? Sounds fun, isn't it?
>>68316965why the fuck would people pay 20$ for Vraska's contempt ? Just because of standard ?
Realistically speaking, what could go wrong?..
>>68317029not much in eternal formats, that's for sure
>>68317011All the showcase cards look great. The storybook feel of them is also a nice touch, but it's the kind of art I would be totally fine with having in other sets.
>>68317046>still only seen the two hybrid cardsMy autism will flare if there isn't a full cycle of ten.
>>68317026Yeah. Esper control was a dominant deck at the time and Arena was taking off, which got more people into standard. Rider is probably going to go even higher since it's better, standard is even more popular now, and there aren't any dual lands in the set to soak up EV.
>>68317029I don't mind them using the World Champions as art, but I would greatly prefer it if they didn't put that attribution in the flavor text slot. It completely destroys any sense of immersion.
>>68317046I was getting very tired of the whole generic fantasy look. Good to see wotc not completely shitting up the pictures
>>68317069>Immersionheh, you are cute.
>>68317029Is 3/3 haste first strike menace on turn 2 worth it?
>>68316965Financefags think the special boosters will dampen prices of regulars.
>>68317128These four-hybrids, Ravnica four-colored mana symbols and 3colored symbol mono Legends are gonna be good devotion enablers, aren't they
>>68317138The only playable ones are a few of the Ravnica MMNN uncommons. So far the ELD hybrids don't look like much more than draft chaff or brawl bait.
>>68317113I forgot about this one, but what's the fourth?
>>68317184Huh. I managed to completely miss that this was colored. The WU hybrid frame doesn't play well with the artifact backing.
>>68317184Interesting that this is technically mono-white card draw. Of course, you don't get to play it in commander because fuck you.
>>68317138older ones have seen a bit of play, but so far these have been unusable garbage
>>68317204>technically mono-white card draw. Of course, you don't get to play it in commanderwait. Didn't maro talk about white's new ability for commander or some shit ? Did they actually forget that they wouldn't slap it on dual costed cards because they're not legal in commander ?
>>68317204Just play Mentor of the Meek bruh
>>68317228We still don't know what said ability is. Confirmed it's NOT Scry 2 and not Princess's pseudo skulk.
>>68317248>half the set is spoiled>nothing about a main new ability in white has been revealedbig brain maro got us again
just bought 12 cases, ask me anything
>>68317299What's the case?
>>68317299How do you live with the fact that you only get pleb filter pack?
>>68317299how do you justify wasting money when you could buy gold instead and make more over a handful of years ?
Remember when MtG art was sexy?
>>68317352>goldm8 diversified investing in stocks are how you make money in the long term.
>>68316254That card was inspired by German fairy tale Rapunzel
>>68317400You mean Disney cartoon Tangled
>>68317400based lore anon.
>>68317355Finding this sexy is pretty desperate. There was a lot of sexy art in the past, but this looks like someone took good line work, and then painted it in with crayon.
>>68317312>>68317313>>68317317>>68317352I meant of the collectors boxes, excuse me.
>>68317426How much, anon?
>>68317385Not bad.>>68317426People like you are why it being a limited print run is a mistake.
>>68317299So you spent around $9250 to it? What are you gonna do with them?
>>68317439$10k>>68317487Resell in 5 years>>68317488No way fag
>>68317242I can't play Mentor in angel tribal. :(
>>68317502What makes you think people would buy it 5 years later?
>>68317502Are you financially well off to the point that this is a hobby or do you have a lot riding on this investment?
>>68317538Name me one MTG related booster box or collectors anything that isnt worth more 5 years after release or end of print>>68317548both, 10k is a lot and ill be very butthurt if it bombs but I wont die from it, ill just be very upset
>>68317558I dunno, bruh, Black lotus costs $16000 right now but no one is gonna buy it
>>68317204>>68317228Technically that's a cantrip White is allowed to getm
>>68317299Are you top or bottom?
>>68317589Top>>68317576People buy it. Sell one for 12k or 10k and people will jump on it.
>>68316254I have fallen behind on looking at the spoilers and am just catching up nowWitches vengence is a really cool card, I guess we will have to wait and see if there is enough tribal being played to make it worth mainboarding, I can see fairy decks holding back their counterspells in fear of it
>>68317100It still looks like the guy is getting speared himself to me.
>>68317711I feel like we are going to see enough Knights decks that it could be mainboard. Worst case scenario, you use it to snipe one creature for three? There are cards printed that do that same thing (they are bad cards, but they exist). Best part, it nukes Nissa lands.
>>68317749Not only Nissa lands, but it just shits on elemental decks in general. Good brawl tech if nothing else.
>whenever questing beast deals damage to an opponent it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controlsI would like to see this ability put on more cards
>>68317711Speaking of can anybody link me to the previous spoiler threads? I only saw the threads for the brawl deck cards
>>68317802just check the full spoilers famalamhttps://scryfall.com/sets/eld?order=spoiled
Will this get lottery or special lands
I was checking the spoilers and this guy seems really good in limited. flash him out turn 2, then play a 1-drop on turn 3 to make him a 4/4 that dodges almost all the removal shown for this set so far.
>>68317899We have showcase cards and borderless walkers, plus extended art rares/mythics in collector boosters. But no, no fancy fetches, only stuff in the actual set.
>>68317922It makes simic flash survive rotation, but control decks can still totally deal with it. They might take 4 to the face first, but they can bop it.
>>68317954>simic flash survive rotationis krasis rotating now ?
>>68317963No? Simic mainly loses Merfolk Trickster from rotation and didn't have another two-drop besides Brineborn Cutthroat. They don't even play Krasis to begin with.
>>68317987sorry don't play standard, I thought simic flash referred to the krasis deck
>>68317954well currently the only things that could take out a 4/4 are:>giant killer, a white rare>murderous rider, a black rare>the 5 mana deal 5 from red>creates with power 4 or greater>bake into a pie, black's 4 mana murder.and nearly half of these stop mattering once you play another creature and make your two-drop even bigger!
>>68317868I'm doing that right now, I was interested in /tg/s reaction to them.But I found the threads
I wanna know what they are fighting aboutDo they still do those short stories on the website?
>>68318020Teferi, Legion's End, Mortify, Tyrant's Scorn, and any board wipe deal with it easily.
>>68318040>Do they still do those short stories on the website?cancelled, starting with eldraine, so that they can sell the stories in digital format
>>683180203-mana teferi is just as mean to that card as he is to simic flash in general, maybe more so because he bounces your counter-stacked dude as well as turning off flash. He needs to be on that list more than most of what you listed.
>>68318050>>68318060oh you misread me, I was saying it's good>in limited>>68317922The only people in my area that actually play paper standard are small children, so I don't know anything about that meta.
>>68318071You're right, I didn't see that earlier in the reply chain. For what it's worth, the flash boy is a rare too so you might have trouble drafting around him. He does seem powerful in limited.
>>68318073>How dare they want to make money from their products! Only jews do that!
>>68318073well, at least it gave us the wildered quest, which is leagues above the slop they produced for the last few yearsif they manage to keep producting stuff at that quality level I might end up actually buying them if they ever do them in physical form
>>68318088oh, how did I not notice he was a rare? bleh.
>>68318093more like how dare they make us pay for stuff that they gave away for free for decades as part of their advertisement ?
>>68318040>>68318058>>68318073If you still want to read it, its here in this mega link, along with most of the other books. Cancelling the articles was a dumb move though honestly, they should have kept them up as supplementary short stories divorced from the plot, and then used the novel as the place to move the thrust of the plot forward entirely, like with Theros.https://mega.nz/#F!WfhhzSxT!IZUbBarxAZUWOB-KKzrQWg
>>68318093No worry to me, I will just pirate themI'm willing to pay for a full length novel but if they are gonna charge me for short tales that used to be free promotional items they can fuck right off
>>68318110Sounds like privilege to me. It is still their product to sell. Short stories don't get made for free.
>>68318122but it's not a product ?
>>68318115Thanks, so if this stuff is a single book does that mean no more short tales telling the story of a single card? that's a shame.
>>68318136It is a product. Short stories have been a product sold for longer than any of us have been alive. Sometimes in collections, sometimes individually. How is it not a product?
>>68318138We don't know. We know the story articles aren't happening, but there hasn't been any word on any supplementary short stories or things like that. Personally I hope they realize their fuck up and make some, even if it's not too many. Completely dropping the story articles cold turkey wasn't a great move.
>>68318122>Short stories don't get made for freebut they litterally were, several were written by random employees, with no compensation
>>68318150You have a source for that? Because it sounds like BS.
>>68318145it is an advertisement for the game, not a productactual, physical books or original productions are a product, but you won't convince many people to buy a pdf file when they can just get it for free online. The current eldraine book is a product, not the short stories of the past
>>68318160That is not convincing. You don't just get to say 'short stories aren't a product' when the long history of media says otherwise.
>>68316965Well, destroy is much less powerful than exile
>>68318178>You don't just get to say 'short stories aren't a product' when the long history of media says otherwisegood thing that's not what he saidhe said "short stories published for free on wotc's website were not a product", not the entire genrework on your reading comprehension
>>68318178(Not that anon)Your confusion comes from interpreting anon's "it's not a product" as meaning "no short stories are a product". Anon was almost certainly talking about these specific short stories, which were not products until they started selling them.
>>68318243And the new ones would not be published for free. So they would be a product. Problem solved then right? Glad we could agree.
>>68318160>not a product, it's an advertIt can be both anon. It's stupid to do because they will probably be making not much money and losing good will but they've been doing that for years and still kicking it so who knows, maybe enough people are that dumb that they will purchase files.
>>68318251amazing, that's almost like it was said here >>68318160
>>68318262So then what the hell is the problem again? Typical /tg/ bellyaching?
Do planeswalker loyalty abilities count as activated abilities for sorcerous spyglass?Also how the fuck is that shit gonna work in arena, I assume you will just type in the card name but how precise will you be required to be with stuff like captial letters and apostrophes
>>68318262To be fair anon, that poster said that is IS and advert and not a product. That's the here and now, where WotC is selling them, as products. It's wrong to say that the throne of eldrain stuff isn't a product, because it clearly is.
>>68318276Yesand it brings up a text box that will start to autofill based on what you type. It will also have a list of cards you have already seen as examples to help.
>>68318271you called me out and said that I was wrong, only to later admit that agreed with meyou're free to tell me what your problem is, until then I and everyone else is free to call you out for being a retard
>>68318295I'll make it clear.If you have a problem with wizards selling short stories from now on because you think they should be free just based on them being free in the past, you are a retard.
>>68318271Anon already stated the problem: Wizards used to give something for free, now they sell it. Anon doesn't like that.
>>68318308Not that anon, but why?
>>68318285>It's wrong to say that the throne of eldrain stuff isn't a product, because it clearly isnot him, but I don't think anyone argued that point
>>68318324Because it is their product, and they can choose to sell it. If the product isn't worth buying, no one buys it, that's whatever. But making short stories costs money, and is a product they are allowed to sell.
>>68316965>paying 20$ for standard chaffJesus standardlets are fucking pathetic
>>68318308but they are still free anonI read it and didn't pay them anything, the situation hasn't changed :^)
>>68318346I'd gladly pay 20 dollars to not have to deal with the dumpster fire that is modern.
>>68317029Eh at the very least those sword of x and y wont be so slow with this fucker. Still meh
>>68318336Anon said that the throne stuff is an advert for the game, not a product here >>68318160 as they were talking about WotC being jews with this throne stuff specifically. If anon didnt mean that in his post fair enough, but that's what he said.
>>68318344They are allowed to charge for it but that would not make it any less jewish
>>68318238Three mana and cantripping is much more impactful, and a big reason for running it is as planeswalker hate, who don't typically reanimate. Plus Contempt is rotating, so it's not like you have a choice.
>>68318344>they can choose to sell it>they are allowed to sellCongrats, anon, you've established that selling stuff that used to be free isn't actually illegal. You haven't explained why anon's an idiot for thinking it's a bad thing, though.
>>68318115Have you actually read all of these? I'm at Bloodlines right now and I'm liking it so far, but I've heard there are some big fucking clunkers in the catalog.
>>68318364>Anon said that the throne stuff is an advert for the gameI was talking about the short stories, because this post was in response to >>68318145
>>68318344It's like if they started charging for the ad card in a booster.
Why is Gwyn, and the main tribal knights I guess, Mardu in color? I can see the white, and I can see the red, but why black? Aren't they for the people? Wouldn't green make more sense? Even fucking blue!
>>68318357>theres only modern or standard>modern is badWay to out yourself as a brainlet
>>68318399Green would make more sense but here we are. The equipment focus isn't very green, but it's not really black either. Black just doesn't hate on artifacts like green does.
>>68318399Mardu is where most of the knights printed before have been in. Black knights even came before white knights.
>>68318399normal knights in eldraine are in mardu colors because of their valor system. For lore reasons, even though there's still green & blue knightsthe green knights are bara knights who ride bears and are obsessed with strength, thus not meshing great with the restblue knights are just dicks
>>68318399Black means ambition and ruthlessnes. Those knights seek to best themselves and to destroy every single threat to the kingdom. But they’re mostly white/red
>>68318396I mean, they literally do charge for the ad card in a booster. It is part of the overall cost you pay for the booster pack.
>>68318425I should precise that this doesn't apply to every random knight, who generally apply to a single court, just that the "normal" courts are in mardu colors, in opposition with the blue and green (who they decided represented the wild anyway)
>>68318399It was brought up with the Black legendary elf lady. Black is also for pride and ambition, to a self-endangering degree. The knights that go too far for the sake of pride and strength are Black aligned.
>>68318432And that's exactly how we also paid for the stories.
>>68318432The tip cards at least make for good shit-talk when you offer them to your playgroup to help am out. I like those more for that reason.
>>68318378I haven't read all of them, but I've read a bunch. I still have to work my way through a lot of the old Weatherlight and older series, but I've read almost everything starting from Odyssey onward, including a few that aren't in here like the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor cycle since I can't find any online version of it. It's a mixed bag, though generally it's a sold kind of pulp series. The real bad ones from my own reading are the later Odyssey books (specifically Legions/Scourge, because J. Robert King decided to go completely off on a drug fueled trip Kirkbride style instead of paying attention to the cards, and while entertaining, gets real dumb real fast.), the Wintermute books (Scars of Mirrodin is a train wreck), and Test of Metal which is just a confusing little pile of weirdness.Particular favorites of mine are definitely the Kamigawa cycle for solid pulp with a great protagonist and some absolutely fantastic scenes that have stuck with me for years, the Ravnica cycle for what is basically fantasy crime procedurals and then fantasy Law and Order, Theros/Journey Into Nyx for a surprisingly deep attempt at a greek tragedy that the set didn't really show off at all, and a guilty pleasure love of the first Odyssey book for the pit fights.
>>68318399Knights have been BW since Alpha. Red knights are probably a bigger deviation from the norm, if anything.
>>68317512Well of Lost Dreams, Dawn of Hope and Endless Horizons is a pretty good draw/filter for monowhite angels
>>68318439Were you paying for some other product on Wotc's website that you haven't mentioned?
>>68318459I know, I already run them. I wouldn't seriously put the bird in angel tribal, but I know some other white decks that would consider it on a budget.
>>68318463No, I paid for the stories by buying MtG product. They used that money to pay for the ads and the stories.
>>68318472Sure, and that is probably how they justified it in the past. Times change, and now they are charging for them, as a product. You were never paying for them with your booster pack purchases. Money was being invested into them as an advertising tool. Now they are a product to consume.
>>68318445King has some fucking issues for sure. Test of Metal's canonicity is getting dubious, just like the Purifying Fire. I'd say they're safe to skip, unless you're a completionist.
>>68318470True. We monowhite playing saps need all the help we can get.
>>68318484let's not kid ourselves, they're doing it because they want to make more money out of it. There is nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint. I personally feel like it's a bit half assed. Put them back in bundles or something and make people feel like it's more justified that they now charge for them.
>>68318457And red knights were a thing since Mirage
You guys want even more lore? I'm stuffed to the gills with it! We had the Eldraine book and they still release a free new chapter of the War of the Spark prequel every week!
Did wotc spoilered content of Eldraine prerelease kit?
>>68318505They will probably do collections, which is the most common way that short stories actually sell in the digital format. I find it likely that the choice was to stop making them because they weren't able to justify their impact as an advertising tool (not enough people reading them. Not enough people reading them and then buying the sets they relate to), so they had to be shifted to being a product. Consider that there has also recently been complaints about the quality of the stories, so if they pay better writers and then charge for them (feeding the increased cost with more revenue) they could have argued to keep the short stories around.There was a very real chance that the choice was 'paid short stories' or 'no more short stories'.
Whats the difference between knights and soldiers? They seem to have similar ideals wouldn't they? What about warriors? Are they just knights because we are in a fairytale?
>>68318509Point being that red knights are noticeably less common than black or white knights.https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?page=0&subtype=[knight]
>>68318525I don't care about the main story, I want more small scale stuff talking about the things portrayed in the card art and flavor textWhy does the mermaid want vengence for example
>>68318470Out of curiosity, could I see your angel tribal decklist?
>>68318537Soldiers are rank and file. Warriors are just people that fight, not necessarily for any army. Knights are within the nobility structure of a culture, and usually own land.Card-wise, it just depends on what they want to do for a set. I mean, why did we not get any Dwarves on cards for like a decade? Because they felt like it.
>>68318576Marton Stromgald is from Ice Age and he's a Knight.
>>68318537Soldiers are infantry and typically less skilled and lower statted, and are overwhelmingly white. Knights are often mounted and have more going in the stat department, and are WBR.>>68318559I haven't updated my list online in forever, and it's almost 3AM so it's definitely not happening right now. There's plenty that I've changed about it in paper since several sets came out in the meantime and I've played with the deck much more. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/acute-angles-1/
>>68318569>why did we not get any Dwarves on cards for like a decade?Because dwarves have the problem of being a clearly white race that has instead always associated with red because they live into mountains.
>>68318608Looks pretty good anon, might steal few ideas.
>>68318619If you're not counting him, then Alliances came before Mirage with red knights.
>>68318608Are you using Sephara as your general now?
>>68317379Oh no it's garbage
>>68318612>>68318569The actual reason behind a lack of dwarves was primarily due to one of the higher ups at Wizards really hating them. Apparently he just really didn't like dwarves, and shot down most times they tried to include them. He's since moved on though, presumably into Hasbro proper.I wonder if he's the same guy who pushed for Dragons of Tarkir along with Maro, since they were the only two who actually wanted that set.
>>68318646No. Lyra coming out at a reasonable pace and giving everything lifelink is too appealing to me. She also draws way less hate than Avacyn (and presumably Sephara) would.
>>68318672That makes sense. When I see someone running Avacyn as their general there's no chance anyone is letting them live long enough to cast it.I'm asking all those questions because I'm trying to come up with a nice, stable angel tribal that;s fun to play and have all the angels altered.
What the FUCK is going on with the frames in this set?>some of them black for no discernible reason>some of them have ornate frilly design, but again with no rhyme or reason
>>68316254Eagerly waiting to see what the 1/1 White Human token looks like. Hopefully it will actually be the milkmaid in the background of Lovestruck Beast's art, but there are some other cards in the set that make 1/1 Humans, so it isn't a guarantee. They do seem to be going for flavour in this set, so here's hoping.
>>68318693Lyra is relatively stable. You could also go with Archangel Avacyn if you want red and anti-removal in the command zone.
>>68317029In Standard? Nothing.Sunforger is a card in other formats, though and there are multiple loops that can be done.You even have redundancy in Kazuul's Toll Collector.
>>68318701Collector Packs frames, you won't get them in draft packs
>>68318702There will probably be fancy tokens in the collectors packs so you will have options
>>68318701Frilly ones are alt art versions of cards with the adventure mechanic. I'm guessing the black frames you're talking about are the extended art versions of the rares/mythics, which only show up in collector boosters.
>>68318710I played around with small Avacyn in the past. But I built it more as mass removal kind off deck. Don't know why I haven't considered her as angel tribal commander, I would like running Bassandra, Gisela and Aurelia in angel deck.
>>68318716I do wonder how fancy the collectors version of Enchantment creatures from Theros will be. I always liked them.
>we're going to make the art interesting>but only in special packs you pay extra forFuckin' monkey paw, I swear to God
>>68318828You can get it in the normal packs too.
>>68318716you do at a smol rate, you just can't get them in foil
>>68318833I heard that they are the masterpieces that you can find in regular packs, not the nice adventures.
>>68318834Ah, good to know, thanx
>>68318828Only the extended art will not be in regular boosters, special frame and borderless walkers can be pulled from regular packs
>>68318834You can get them in foil in normal booster packs, but you can't get non foil showcase for the common adventureshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/project-booster-fun-2019-07-20
>>68318852the extended art & showcase adventure cards can both be found in regular boosters at a lower rate
>>68318869>Draft Booster>The card make-up for it is not changing (although, it will have the borderless planeswalkers and showcase cards)
>>68318357>vintage>pauper>EDH>cEDH>cube>casual/kitchen table>durr modern bas so me play standard
>>68318910You should probably read the article completely>The booster contents are as you would expect. The Draft Booster has the possibility of containing borderless planeswalkers or showcase cards. In Throne of Eldraine specifically, there are no non-foil common showcase cards in booster packs. Those appear only in the Collector Booster.
>>68318852It's all very confusing and contrived, but suffice to say, all the art worth a shit you want you can get from a draft (normal) booster pack. It's rare, of course, but
>>68318985Technically, anything you can get in a draft pack, you can get in a bundle
>>68318702This would be the perfect chance to show how liberated WotC was and swap the genders of the monster and the love interest.
>>68318999Same for Buy-A-Box
>none of the faeries are as good as Spellstutter Sprite>most are weaker than Oona's Blackguard>"WE WANT CREATURES TO BE STRONGER"What the FUCK did WotC mean by this?
>>68318959I read that part too, I just felt like adding this info to your post
Food is a parasitic bad design and flavor fail brings artifact. My only criticism of the set lots of great art and cool shit otherwise.
>>68316678the game has been dead for years.
>>68318985so there numbers on the adventures are>two mythic, with none spoiled>five rares, with three spoiled (possibly one per color, in that case we got G, W & B so far)>nine unco, with eight spoiled>fifteen commons, with four spoiled
>>68319031>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY PET TRIBE ISN'T GETTING OP CREATURES WTF WOTC CREATURES NOW ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OP RIGHT GUISE THAT WAY I CAN ALSO BITCH ABOUT POWER CREEP KILLING THE GAME WHERE IS MY FAERIE EMRAKUL
>>68319085>flavor fail brings artifactWhat card type would you rather have it be?
>>68319255Make a new card type called resource that can only exist as a token.
>>68319273LOL and you have the audacity to call Food parasitic as it is.Oh and btw, Food isn't parasitic at all.
>>68317379>>68317184>>68317128>>68317113>>68317046why are these all so weak lol
>>68319310because design said so
Ok standard nibbas, how fast can we reanimate this absolute unit?So far the best I could come up with isT1 Witch's OvenT2 Wall of Lost ThoughtsT3 Tomebound Lich (or a second Wall)
>>68319286So is the gingerbread girl from the trailer gonna spark or notBecause if not she is gonna get her ass handed to her by garruk, being whisked away to another plane is her only chance of survivalI guess that means we won't find out until next set, She can't be in this one if she gets taken to another plane unless she comes back very soon after
>>68319358The trailer might not even be canon.
>>68318276Sorcerers spyglass is already in arena dork
>>68319365I hope not, you can't make something that good and then not make use of it
>>68317204White can filter for artifacts/enchantments.The bendy bit is blue fetching enchantments
>>68319288Of course if you do that you'll group tresure, energy, food and whatever you want into it. You can then make cards that interact with resources.
>>68319310Arcanist's Owl seems alright.
>>68318702Milkmaid? More like MILKERS maid, am I right?
>>68319374The castle seems to be Ardenvale and Garruk doesn't attack Ardenvale anywhere in the novel, there's no mentions of the castle having been attacked and by the end of it, he is certainly no longer attacking it.
>>68319358artificial beings can't spark. Karn just has Venser's stuck in him.
>>68319393Shame.I guess it comes down to if their is enough fan demand for them to retcon it>>68319397Ah good point, I guess it could be argued it doesn't count if you really wanted it but it very much hurts her chances
>>68319365The trailer IS non-canon, since it has literally nothing to do with the plot of the book or the cards in the set, Garruk doesn't even look like he should
>>68319348If Elves weren't rotating, with Nissa you could have just hard-cast it.
>>68316257Better art than the Ixalan one.
>>68319377It's bendy but technically Blue can filter for _any_ card so a subset is ok.They did the same for Simic hybrid split card.
>>68319310Something something limited
>>68318040Oh almost certainly the mage thought he could bind her, force the Undine to be his slave.But he never expected her to be just as powerful a mage as him, binding his body where he thought to bind her soul, dragging him slowly irrevocably into the water.All he can do is try to resist, hold himself back with all of his physical strength -- something the mage has never bothered with before -- while she taunts him, each step drawing him closer to his doom, closer to the water, closer to her.
>>68319473Already a better writer than anybody on wotcs staff
*eats your feather*
>>68319555Don't eat the feathers
>>68319555Hey that's a pretty nice cardShame it doesn't have any sort of kicker for a little extra damage
>>68316257Based as fuck reprint
>>68319555>flavor textMmmmKnight archer? WotC would never
>>68319555You realize Plummet is in Standard right? And that Feather usually packs combat tricks that can buff P/T as well as the catch-all of God's Willing, making a lot of targeted removal hard to stick to begin with?
>>68319687Samurai were basically knight archers.
>>68319687Tristan would be perfect for it with Failnaught
>>68318702>No Gaston chad card to make beast irrelevant in free pussy market
>>68316965Vraska's gained you life too. The bigger question though is, B/W, R/B, or R/B/W knights?
>>68319772Technically, Charming Prince does this job by targeting that 1/1 Belle token
>>68319694But this one is tastier than Plummet, and thus far superior.
>>68319870Sorry anon, but if someone uses Gods Willing on the target you won't get Food.
I'm gonna get together with my friends and play some games where sacing a food token lets you eat some candy
Calling it now: Food will turn out to be a problem in Standard somehow although it seems super shitty on the surface
>>68319997I wonder how that would run if you made it ecstasy . Like a weird version of "take a shot when you do x"
>>68319997Is what I would say if I had friends
>>68319997Why not try sucking eachother's dicks instead?
>>68319997>>68320070Drink one when you sac a food
>>68320079Wow there, we aren't all degenerates like you are
>>68320079I dunno, that sounds kinda gay my dude.
>>68320067It being an artifact makes it easier to deal with though. Energy was degenerate because there weren't a lot of ways to deal with counters. It might hurt RDW, and mono-B decks, but the other colors have ways to deal with it, even as simple as bouncing the tokens in Blue.
>>68319255It only makes sense as a artifact or counter. Clues should have been enchantments though because they are more abstract and don't necessarily have a physical component.
>>68320114now I'm thinking that there will be at least one black card that "poisons food" by turning lifegain into lifeloss. It' such an obvious thing for fairy tales
>>68320079It takes too much time. Maybe one lick per sac, but that's more annoying than arousing.
>>68320152Treasure should be enchantment tokens, because the real treasure is friendship.
>>68320228maybe the real throne of eldarine was the friends we made along the way
>>68318693Avacyn player here. I've had good experience with the deck, but people do try to stop me from getting her out, so most of the deck has to be dedicated to getting her out and protecting her.
>>68318693That’s why you run the core set Avacyn. People ignore you because you’re running a bad mono-w commander but nykthos and pailisade giant turn you into an untouchable pillow fort.
>>68320419>pailisade giantThe core strange of Big Mommy Avacyn is not preventing damage but preventing removal/board wipes on your expensive as hell angels that you run with her. But I like your style, anon.
>>68320470I built monowhite as an excuse to run angel tribal, but most angels are active ass. so I built enchantress/pillowfort/hatebears that happens to have an angel sub theme.
>>68320114They tried to build energy cards that could stand on their own, but no matter what we did, they always got better if you played them with other energy cards.If the best thing to do with Food is abFood deck it becomes functionally parasitic even though a single Food card stands on own.
>>68320210A Tainted Remedy reprint does sound like an obvious fit in this set.
>>68320926Now THIS is parasitic. Nice art though.
>>68320920Could be cool
>>68320926I rike itI rike it a lot
These adventures are super interesting, feels like I am reading a book
>>68320972Limited all star?
Target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a nonland card from it and exile it. If a nonblack card was exiled this way, exile a card from your hand.
>>68320992whadda fugg :DDDD
>>68320992This is fucking disgusting in any decent control shell.
>>68320926I am gonna be playing an artifact deck so depending on how many adventures I end up having in that deck I might load up on mana creating artifacts so I can get the green to cast this
"Red Cap Brawl"RInstantRed Cap Brawl deals 4 damage to target creature or planeswalker. If this deals damage to a non-red permanent, sacrifice a land.Illus. Chris Ralles
>>68320992>>68321059Wonder if we are gonna get these negative effect if it hits something outside that spells colors thing for the other 3 colors
>>68320939Will has no right to look this good. Based Garruk fucking that twink.
>>68321070I don't see why it wouldn't be a cicle.
"Oakhame Adversary"3GCreature - Elf WarriorOakhame Adversary costs 2 less to cast if an opponent controls a green permanent.DeathtouchWhenever Oakhame Adversary deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.Illus. Nicholas gregory
>>68320985This is the first time monoR rummaging spell has discard as the effect instead of the cost, most probably to save space.
>>68321070Sort of. You'll be incentivized to hit the same color but it won't always be a downside if you don't; the blue one for example is an upside if you do target a blue spell.
>>68321070We've already seen the blue one. Remember the counterspell that costs less if you counter blue with it?
>>68321160Oh I forgot to paste that it was a 2/3 but I suppose you can read that on the cardWhy the hell do the jap cards not use jap numbers for p/t
>>68316965I have to say, I badly misread how Adventures worked at first, but now that I understand the proper method, I'm still thinking of how to abuse the shit out of a deck heavy with them.
>>68320961Now, this could make an adventure based deck viable, at least as much as gate was.
>>68321160That's some ugly goblin
>>68321164>>68321169Oh rightI think that counterspell is pretty cool, and it's an entire 3 mana to negate it
>>68321160Huh. This is actually pretty good, my dudes.
>>68320992>>68321059>>68321160>>68321164>>68321169>B and R have a downside>U and G have a upsideThis feel wrong
>>68320992apparently this one is called sound intrustion
>>68321070We already know about blue counterspell that negates blue spells cheaper
Fuck this set is weak.
>>68320985>my potions are too strong for you traveler
>>68321213We literally just got a duress that hits creatures for the low low price of a single card and you don't even have to pay the card if you hit a black spell
>>68321220It's a Thoughtseize that doesn't make you lose life
It would never happen of course but how would you feel is some spoilers were given to 4chan alongside all the twitch and twitter spoilersOn the one hand it would be cool to see some recognition like that but I feel like the attention could bring in a lot of cancer
>>68321220>2 for 1 yourself if you dont hit the right color>”ITS AWESOME”>>68321193Look at the spells as a standalone. R and a land to shit on a nigger its not that bad desu
>>68321240>discarding is the same as exilingactually duress also only discards, this is better than those cards
>>68321189It's absolute garbage for an uncommon. Convolute isn't a particularly valuable limited pick and it's a common. A generally worse one is downright awful. For constructed it might see some sideboard play but it's honestly really underwhelming compared to Gainsay, whereas the other cards in the ELD cycle compare quite nicely to their Theros counterparts.>>68321193Why? Black is the king of downsides and red is a close second.
>>68321249It's a sidegrade of Thoughtseize, it's not strictly better
>>68321241Spoilers are given to content creators. What has 4chan created apart from carcinogenic shitposts?
>>68321251What are their theros counterparts?but yeah I hope we get another counterspell or 2 since this one isn't that great.It might almost be better if the base cost was 1 higher for an outright counter instead of being able to pay through it
>>68321251>It's absolute garbage for an uncommon.It's intentional sideboeard card for control mirrors. If blue becomes too dominant then blue players would have to dedicate sideboard slot for this blue hoser thus lowering their options against other colours.This is the same principle as when they made Defeat cycle in Hour of Devastation.
>>68321278It's given to content creaters but also just direct posts by wotc staff on various websitesAlthough this is the first time I have followed the spoilers in a few years so maybe the ratio of eceleb spoilers to offical spoilers has tipped further in favor of ecelebs in the time I have been gone
>>68321220I sure love 2 for 1ing myself.
>>68321193Probably just more clear to template it that way. You could reword the cards to either be all downside or all upside for the whole cycle, but since they would functionally work the same, there's no reason to.
>>68320939It looks like she is wearing a tuba.
>>68321280Glare of Heresey 1W sorcery, exile a white permanent Gainsay 1U Instant, counter target blue spell (reprint)Dark Betrayal B Instant, destroy target black creaturePeak Erruption (?) 2R Sorcery, destroy target mountain. ~ deals 3 damage to that land's controllerHunt The Hunter (?) G Sorcery, target green creature you control gets +2/+2 until end of turn. It fights target green creature you don't control.A bit rusty on the RG names.
>>68321305Exiling a massive threat in exchange for exiling whatever seems to be a pretty good exchange
>>68321292The defeat cycle were generally bad in limited as well, but were generally of a high enough rate that you would be happy playing most of them in a sideboard.
>>68316257cancerous spyglass? oh well maybe standard will be good in another few years
>>68321305Bruh, could you imagine if you had to 2 for 1 yourself just to CAST the spell? And like, they made you pay another resource like life on TOP of that? Any card that did that would be fucking unplayable!!!
>>68321352>planeswalker fags absolutely seething
>>68320992that's a lot of value for standard
>>68321248Why yes, Thoughtseize that exiles but costs a card instead of 2 life is very awesome.
>>68321352It's already in Standard and doesn't do shit
>>68321278>What has 4chan created apart from carcinogenic shitposts?a lot, but tourists like you wouldn't know about it
>>68321352lol, seething cuck
>>68321352But it already is in standard and no one runs it.If you want to shit on walkers they need to print a walker null rod.
>>68321417And that will never happenThey will never print any sort of planeswalker hate that's TOO effective since they rely on overpowered planeswalkers (protip: all planesalkers are overpowered) to sell packs
>>68321457Reminder that the white ones are rape babies
>>68321348They're safety gauges. Ideally no colour dominates so there's no need to use them in Constructed, but it's better to have them than not have.
>>68321457Do you need a safe space?
>>68321457>/pol/nigger doesn't even read the threads he shitposts inImagine my shock
>>68321485just like in the good ol' days :'^)
>>68321396What does 4chan produce MtG related, retard-kun.WotC doesn't care about amazingly written quests or captivating magic realm of monstergirl general.
>>68321417>a walker null rodspyglass is just a weaker needle, but I agree, they should absolutely print that shit to deal with the current cancer pool
>>68321248>>683213052 for 1ing you and loosing life just to counter a spell, force of will is such a shit card.
>>68321417> no one runs it.Of course because it does nothing against war walker passive ability.
>>68321542>this shit argument againWish FoW was never printed solely so retards like you wouldn't spam this stupid ass nonargument again
>>68321542Ye, but this nig is at sorcery speed.
>>68321518I understand their purpose in constructed. From my first post I was speaking about limited. The BGR cards are all playable in limited (the black one is the next weakest but an automatic sideboard include and has a reasonable amount of playability if you aren't against a black deck) and are reasonable at uncommon rarity. Mana leak variants aren't uncommon usually.
>>68321608countering a spell is a comparable effect to exiling from an opponents hand
>>68321536>what has 4chan ever created>a lot of stuff actually>I actually meant MtG related onlyYou mean, stuff like inventing a new modern archetype in the last four months or contributing heavily to certain formats like commander ?
>>68321616Ah this, you're right.What was the last one Limited playable counterspell in Standard?
>>68321630Sure they are comparable, in the same way that gaining 3 life and preventing 3 damage from any source are comparable, in that one is hugely better than the other.
>>68321650What are you talking about about anon, Twiddle storm was made by SaffronOlive, haven't you seen his video? :^)
Whatever happened with that attempt to make our own pirate themed set a few years back
>>68321547>>68321570Wait I'm retarded it's not for another 12 hoursAre we likely to get any more any time soon or can I safely go to sleep?
>>68321654At uncommon? Essence Capture and Frilled Mystic (if you count that). A lot of people played Sinister Sabotage in limited but I think that one's a bit shaky.At common? Negate and Disdainful Stroke off the top of my head.
>>68318315They are selling something that used ti be free that used to be sold that used to be cancelled that used to be sold that used to be free* that used to be sold. * - Bundled with ~$40 purchase
>>68321674ah yes, how could I forget the rich and famous saffron olive's contribution to the format
>>68321685custom sets are made and completed all the time, check the custom card thread
>>68321685/ccg/ is that-a way>>68265886
>>68321663>>68321630>>68321608No, he's right. They are comprable. The issue is that FoW is free, and this costs 1 mana. A better comparison is FoW to unmask, and those are similarly powerful cards at face value, except that blue has brainstorm.
>>68321769If you think that 'counter target spell' and 'target player reveals their hand, you choose and discard a card' are even close to being on the same power level you are crazy.
>>68321787In many situations the black effect is better
>>68321720Thanks anon. I presume the reason Convolute and its derivatives are bad is that by the time you can leave three mana open (as opposed to two mana), the opponent often has enough of HIS mana open to pay the tax?
>>68321787no one is arguing that it's a FoN, but thoughtseize it's still a really powerful card that sees a lot of play
>>68321811Not even close. There's a reason that Duress effects are generally 1-2 mana while counterspells are 2-3. Countering a spell is a significantly more powerful effect.Discard is almost always sorcery speed which means that you can't stop topdecks. Even if it was instant speed you still couldn't stop a topdecked instant/spell with flash. Counters obviously can.Counterspells mean your opponent spent mana on whatever you countered. If you cast a discard spell on your burn/aggro opponent turn three and see two different strong 3 drops you are shit out of luck. If you counter their 3 drop you effectively make them waste a turn giving you more time to stabilize.The black effect is better in exactly two situations. 1) Your opponent has only one spell in hand and doesn't topdeck another one. 2) Your opponent has a spell that cannot be countered. It is worse in the situations I described above as well as any time a player has hexproof or spells that do shit when you discard them (Nullhide Ferox, Ravenous Baloth etc...).
>>68321813In limited or constructed? In limited counterspells are generally less useful because you are less likely to consistently have one when you need one and the power level of each individual spell is lower on average. Leaving mana open for convolute instead of contributing to your own board and then agonizing over whether or not to counter your opponent's 2/2 vigilance for 1G or just having done nothing instead for the turn cycle feels pretty bad. Disdainful stroke is better because limited is often a very bomb centric format and by your turn 4-5 you should be able to play something and keep the two mana open for their big bomb.In constructed, CMC3 is just a hard counter. Unless you're playing some ridiculous 5 color control that requires countermagic, you'd play Sinister Sabotage over Convolute every day of the week. Even if you were playing that hypothetical deck, you'd still want Ionize over Convolute. At 2 mana you can get away with mana leak effects (which is why Quench gets played in some builds) because there aren't really any strictly better cards at the same CMC.
>>68321485the King made babies with a beautiful white witch in the woods. But...
>>68321821Yes. The card is strong. Some people (I assume not you) are saying that the two effects are comparable. Explicitly >>68321630.I (>>68321663) am arguing that the two are comparable only so much as one effect is definitely much stronger than the other.
>>68321940This was very informative, thanks.
>new Standard controlfags I face will consistently go T1 notThoughtseize, T2 Thought Erasure Wow thanks I hate it already
>>68320985Whataya sellan? Whataya buyan?
>>68322143>Wasting their 2 first turns doing nothingGood
>>68322143If your opponent opens on that, you probably just won the game.The new discard card is a great tool for control decks, not aggro or tempo (in which Duress if often seen). The new card guarantees that you will get your next spell through for the cost of B and a card. If you are playing control, you will have more than enough to discard if you choose a non-black target.
>>68321059His face looks shooped in.
>>68322499WHAT THE FUCK
>>68322499And at uncommon.
>>68322499don't like playing prison, but that's good
>>68322499Time to make faggots play on curve
>>68322499Oh Rule of Law is back, baby
>>68322499Time to buy 1000x copies of this card and make a killing
>>68322499>Pseudo-Rule of Law on cmc1Give me a dozen.
>An early challenge as creative lead on the worldbuilding team was finding the right balance of our two main themes: Arthurian legends and classic fairy tales. Because the card set relied heavily on fairy tales as individual expressions in the gameplay, we ended up with much greater emphasis on knights and courts than, say, races of gingerbread-folk, as a foundation.I have no idea what this means. Please explain to me?
>>68322499Well that means I am gonna have to switch up my plans for my alela deck, make more of the artifacts in it creatures than I was originally planning to
>>68322724Allow me to translateMarketing says the major named characters have to be humanlike
>>68322724It means Wizards can't into writing clearlyIt also means, I think, that they wanted individual fairy tales to be represented by individual cards, not 'types'. Eg one troll under a bridge, not a range of troll cards. Though they apparently made an exception for fairies
>>68322724>instead of having fairy tales as mechanics and lore, we used them only for mechanics and made something completely different for the factionsthere. Also, they probably did try to distance themselves from lorwyn because that's what they set out to do, no matter how poor of an idea it was
>>68320939I fucking hate WotC
>>68322724There were a lot of top-down designs based on fairy tales, but they still wanted it to feel like an Arthurian set, so they built the whole foundation of the lore (The realm, its kingdoms, its big named characters) from that side and let the fairy tales serve as the "intruders" that get overlaid on top.It's also pretty cool how they grabbed the "Arhturian Mythos VS Fairy Tales" war that was happening on the creative forces behind the set and literally transfigured it into the own setting, with the good side being the humans knights in the realm and the bad side being the wacky outlandish elves and their magical enchantments coming from the wilds.
>>68322858All jokes aside didnt Shrek 1 have a similar premise? Knights of the Kingdom vs Fairy Tale creatures?
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>>68322947So did Lords and Ladies in the Discworld series
>>68322676Not when it's an uncommon.
>>68317400You're wrong. It was inspired by the Russian fairy tale Zlatovlaska.
>>68323379You're wrong, it's a Czech tale.
>>68317355Yup picked one of the shittiest cheesecake art.Planar Chaos, Mirrodin and New Phyrexia all have much better cheesecake art.
>>68317987>>68317963>>68318011Maybe 1 or 2-of if your deck tends to lose gas too fast.