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Infinity is a "28mm" scale Sci-Fi Skirmish game by Corvus Belli where we must save the princess of the hyperpower.

>All the rules are for free. Buying the books is only relevant for fluff:
http://www.infinitythegame.com

>Semi-unofficial catalog of fluff, dossiers, and unit models:
https://human-sphere.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

>Rules Wiki:
http://www.infinitythewiki.com/en/Main_Page

>Official Army Builder:
https://army.infinitythegame.com/

>Dice Calculator:
http://inf-dice.ghostlords.com/n3/

>Token Generator:
http://inf-dice.ghostlords.com/markers

>N3 Hacker Helper:
http://www.captainspud.com/n3hacking/

>Batreps:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzrPO7KIAtwXlOUh545nq21WQaW7YxuGc
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO-Uv_G4cY91ZfMy3rWOKDQL1cl7YyYzf
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf5JWn6xciCkYcBaTLGs6_FmFiZtCk2zm
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe4dp7Cge1mNkJwK9V2sdJQ/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/VaulSC/videos

>Terrain:
http://pastebin.com/Hy9SRkmJ
http://pastebin.com/PJaETXMV

>Unit Dossiers Archive
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YlopTsqhvT4yfgsEAYr6L_XxJ4Ovc7a0

>Faction Rundown:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/mqaaf5fosmti5b4/Infinity_Faction_Rundown_v.1.3.rtf

>All Consolidated Rules:
https://www.mediafire.com/?xm5aqb4sdx4g446

>Operation Icestorm Scan (beginner missions)
https://mega.nz/#!AkkG0ZZA!CE-YzCWIWVROcSnnlkZI8SMWxWoNb1LkFbWI-LamYR8

>The RPG Kickstarter
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modiphius/corvus-bellis-infinity-roleplaying-game

>WIP Tactica
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Infinity_Tactics

>RPG Character Creation
http://infinity.modiphiusapps.hostinguk.org/

>released RPG books (+ a couple rulebook scans)
https://mega.nz/#F!8pRURayK!Kj16fd7nQhEcaId8hKD4oA

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>>67776584
I actually don't mind that IA lacks an Infiltrating KHD. I like the Zhencha. The SMG profile is great. The hacking profile is a little expensive for what you get, but people on the YJ forums for the longest time compared it against DART. Fucking Dart.

>Oh, just camo Lt hacker
I love the unit, makes it a shoe in though. Why would you ever wanna rock a Zuyong Lt. with HMG and bring a Haidao CoC (a waste) when you have the Daoying?

>>67776428
>Dude you are the only army in the game that can get 15-16 orders in limited insertion.
And it's a great niche ability rolled into a faction with no WB and cheap order mooks outside a Zhanshi Core. So, yeah, we're great at LI, if you build that way. It's gets boring after a while.

>>67776252
>Are you sure about that? My locals consider 15 to be really big.
If you are doing anything less than 15 you might as well build towards LI, unfortunately. 12 orders (10-2) is a somewhat lame reason to get hit with -2 orders command ability. Which I'd you have Counterintelligence it's negligible. Most lists I see posted even on here are either LI or 15+ order lists. First Group being the muscle and obj grabbing and the second group being filler, support, ARO duty, and excess Warbands.


>>67776428
>You literally just named the two things to protect you against hackers. Yes, you're a sectorial about HI. And thus a natural counter to you will be hacking. Yet you still bitch because you *only* have 1 KHD and *only* have deflectors. Also poor you you get a downside if you go second and can't cast fairy dust.

I understand they work. However you can go second in this game and it can happen outside your control. There's nothing wrong with having a safety net. Also, I haven't been bitching. I've been pointing out the glaring weak points in the faction that can be taken advantage of because everyone and their mum is toting KHDs and most can set up a repeater speed bump.
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>>67778255

Cont.
In a game where E/Maulers and E/Marats are no longer limited to one or two factions those can be a big deal too.

>>67776428
>Having 2 wounds would make all your units cost way fucking more. You get a massive discount having nwi plus ignoring shock. Also I don't think Yu Jing is really a faction known for having doctors. And the faction that is known for having doctors, Haqqislam, doesn't whine about having NWI on HI.

And I'm saying I'd rather the Hulang for it's cost be Irregular, Frenzy, and 2 Wounds.

The Haidao having BTS, +1 PH, and a full wound isn't asking for much. Free Agent + Zero G is a pointless skill when running LI lists anyways and in most gameplay, respectively.
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So anon, what kind of IA builds do you run?
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>>67778255
>And it's a great niche ability rolled into a faction with no WB and cheap order mooks outside a Zhanshi Core.
Has the thought ever crossed you that they want you to run lots of HI, so that's why they give HI order generating abilities? Its not some niche. Getting LT2, NCO, and Tac awareness everywhere is amazing. This is another example of Yu Jing players taking amazing rules that everyone else would die for for granted. Again, you are the only army in the game who can get 16 orders in limited insertion, yet you act like that isn't relevant nor a big bonus.

>However you can go second in this game and it can happen outside your control. There's nothing wrong with having a safety net.
Exactly, the whole point here is you shouldn't complain because you go second. Factions are designed to have weaknesses. If there were no downsides to going second, then you wouldn't care what your Lt's WIP is.

>>67778392
>And I'm saying I'd rather the Hulang for it's cost be Irregular, Frenzy, and 2 Wounds.

>The Haidao having BTS, +1 PH, and a full wound isn't asking for much. Free Agent + Zero G is a pointless skill when running LI lists anyways and in most gameplay, respectively.
Not going to lie Yu Jing players seem like the most spoiled brats holy crap. You guys get great profiles that are undercosted but its never enough. I bet you would bitch all day about the Liu Xing

>>67778729
Yeah what this anon said, what do you >>67778392 >>67778255 play for you IA lists?
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Guys, if you want to run Yu Jing toys and win, play Dashat. You get Tac Awareness Zuyongs, the Rui Shi in a fireteam, and loads of cheap link filler and cheap irregular infiltrators to make it all much more viable than in Invincible Army.
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Where the FUCK are the O-12 minis?
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>>67779936

Dude nobody cares. Shas were the only interesting thing to come out of Wildfire.
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>>67779936
Should've ordered from CB if you wanted them ASAP.
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>>67779961
>Shas were the only interesting thing to come out of Wildfire.
How's Hippolyta in ALEPH/Steel Phalanx?
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>>67780712

Actually, I saw someone use her to kill a kamau sniper, so that's cool.
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Does having higher levels of AD grant the lower levels?

Can't find anything about this in the rules.
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>>67781023

It does. Should be in the generic rules for numbered skills.
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>>67781040
Yep. It is. Thank you.
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>>67778255

The solution is honestly not to play IA. The current weaknesses of HI, Foot slogging lists, and Limited Insertion make IA not the best choice.

Instead you should combine the badass models IA added to Yu Jing and pair them up with the already great models in vanilla.

Bring in you Guilangs, Libertos, Tiger Soldiers, Kanren, and KHD Ninjas.Use your Monks with your Rui Shi. Use your Smoke nade launching Celestial Guard and 4 Kuang Shi to beef up and order group.

Vanilla YJ is best YJ.
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>>67778255
>I understand they work. However you can go second in this game and it can happen outside your control. There's nothing wrong with having a safety net. Also, I haven't been bitching. I've been pointing out the glaring weak points in the faction that can be taken advantage of because everyone and their mum is toting KHDs and most can set up a repeater speed bump.

You dont understand anything.
Haidao in the fireteam is one of the best hackers in the game
He is basically IMMUNE to the best KHD program in the game, Maestro, due to NWI rule interaction. Setting "repeater speed bumps" against him is useless.

Hacking an HI link in the active turn is a fool's game, there are way more pressing issues the Zuyong fireteam faces than some dumbass trying to 1 dice isolate you through repeaters one by one or setting up attacks with carbonite.

I believe people complaining about "hackable vulrenalibity" on anything but TAGs dont play the game at all.
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>>67781322
Don't forget Haidao KHD in a link with a Deflector L2.

That shit kills.

The bigger weakness is most of IA having 12 or less phys and eating an E/Marat.
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>>67781350
A Riotstopper will be hell, too.
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I thought Infinity depicted a positive future but now everywhere seems like a dystopia to me
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>>67781350
Exactly, thats the real problem HI heavy (and expensive models heavy) lists face.
AHDs are constantly hated out from the meta, while there are direct templates in every list and a ton of effective E/M weapons.
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>>67777937
Nah, the OP was right for once. :et's not talk about that shitty thread.
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>>67782029
What was wrong with it?
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>>67777932
That's some pretty good OC anon
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>>67782322
Usual /pol/ shit. Just let it be.
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>>67777932
Now do a Fraacta princess!
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>>67781379
>80's cyberpunk anime setting is a dystopia
No shit, Sherlock.
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>>67781379
>now everywhere seems like a dystopia to me
How? If you're not an Atek, Japanese, or living in one of the Corporate Republics out in Human Edge life's pretty damn good.
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>>67782589
Nomad life sucks
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>>67782759
Corregidor seems to be the least scummy place in the human sphere.
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>>67782850
*gets spaced because unable to work*
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>>67782850
It's also probably tied with "Tunguska if you don't have money" for shittiest Nomad ship to live on. Tunguska's great if you have money or are a Hollow Man, and Bakunin lets you have the oddball private fiefdom you've always dreamed of.
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>>67782861
>gets spaced
citation needed
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>>67782889
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The only "get spaced" I ever see is for leeches that actively refuse to contribute.
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>>67782850
Ironically, considering it's nothing but dregs other countries literally shot into space.
Guess you'll never find a more honest man than an openly dishonest one
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>>67782861
They only space you if you *won't* work and even then they give you the chance to leave
If you're a cripple or something you're fine
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>All these ALEPH shills in my thread
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I am mildly disappointed Spiral Corps can't take Krakot Renegades. It'd just be funny.
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>>67782861
>implying you get born if you're unable to work
Where do you think the Hollowmen come from?>>67782868
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>>67783256

Fetuses with birth defects.
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>>67782850
Even on Dawn life is better. But stop, Dawn is best place for live.
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>>67783060
Aleph? More like Gayleph
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>>67783473
Aleph is smol retarded girl.
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>>67782861
Excuses of a filthy parasite. "People" like you are the reason anarcho-communism keeps failing.
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>>67783566
Bullied by big tiddies EI oneesan
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How are the NA2 'sectorials' as beginner armies?
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>>67783945
As shitty as they are for everybody else, including the game itself.
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>>67783945
Terrible, as they all feature a mix of units across factions, with the exception of Japanese. Maybe Druze could work as their main units (Brawlers and Druze) are in their own boxes.
Technically Red Veil could be a good basis for Dahshat. But Icestorm is terrible for Foreign.
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Do we know how the humies of Spiral Corps feel about the artichokes?
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>>67783841
Bullied by anyone, except her retarded father. Even hardbass squad bully her.
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>>67783945
Only JSA would be ok for beginners since they have their own starter box.
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>>67784126
They're probably the type of people that don't care as long as they get payed.
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>>67784188

What about Spiral? I think their box was even 300pts when it came with the Spec-Ops.
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>>67784508
Oh yeah, them too. Honestly forgot they existed.
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>>67781023
Yeah, duh doy, so long as it isn't "Level X" or something instead of Level 1/2/3/4
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>>67783473
Aleph is not fucking pronounced Ayy-leff. It's a long A you double dumbass.
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>>67783945
If you don't play JSA/Spiral Corps and don't mind proxying everything then I suppose it's as fine as Tohaa as a major faction was. You have a bit of a steeper hill to initially climb but you're in an okay spot after you learn fireteam rules, proper list building, and such.
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>>67784792
He has a point though.
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>>67783945
Spiral or JSA are ok, the rest is a bit advanced
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Best faction coming though.
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>>67784792
Yeah but then Gayleph wouldn't work so...
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Wish Druze would get more love
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>>67777932
More, we need more.

Whoever drew it please do Nomads next !
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>>67778255
>So, yeah, we're great at LI, if you build that way. It's gets boring after a while.
"I want to artificially limit my troop choices by playing a sectorial, and I want to choose the one based on heavy infantry. Waaah, I can't spam warbands and cheap orders, this is bullshit!"

>If you are doing anything less than 15 you might as well build towards LI, unfortunately.
Oh, this guy's just some dumbfuck Pole kurwaspammer. I feel like I haven't seen many of these idiots recently. No wonder his opinions on all of the points he wrote are absurdly stupid.
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>>67782923
I really hope that CB gets around to clarifying shit like this. all this vague trash reminds me of Destiny 1 lore.
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>>67786688

The RPG makes it perfectly clear.
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>>67785810

>Remove 0.5 swc for Druze Haris
>Let 0-1 Brawler join Druze Haris
>Let 0-1 Druze join Brawler Haris
>Give DBS AVA 1 Al Fasid
>Give DBS AVA 1 Hulang

Then, I would die a happy player
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>>67777932
>>67787401
These are excellent. Deva Princess and Securitate Princess when?
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>>67787401
Amazing anon, you are gods work.
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>>67787401
Waiting for Ariadna princess.
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>>67787401
>+ bonus to CC
>- it's worth fuck-all
>Zuyong armor makes you an Invincible
Oh my sides.
Please continue, anon.
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>>67786674

The issue is that spamming warbands and cheap shit is better than what IA does.
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>>67787401
Fantastic!
Unidron Princess when?
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>>67787401
I want my Oznat princess!!! These are fun!
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>>67788222
Oznat are not baseline scrubs. Try to keep up, anon.
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>>67786674
Then show us a non LI geared list then, anon. You seem to know so much on the subject with your "leetspeak".
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Forgot the fucking crown.
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>>67789898
>Ariadnan
>NOT liking doggy style
That seems weird. I mean, they *are* dog fuckers, after all.
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>>67789898
Tankhunter Princess is cute. CUTE!
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>>67790019
You have to disentangle memes and inter-faction insults from actual lore.
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>>67788222
>>67788198
Now now, anons. We need to reach some kind of compromise.

I suggest separate Oznat, Speculo, Batroid, Fraacta and Umbra princesses
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>>67790139
The dog-fucking is canon, dude.
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>>67789649
Not that anon. The army is quite literally designed to excel at limited insertion. It's amazingly good at it. And still, having 15 regular orders in one combat group isn't bad, it's amazingly good even in a non limited insertion environment. Also you're acting like the anon you responded to said IA is good at non-LI, which he never said.

This is the equivalent of playing Ariadna, and complaining you only have one hacking device. It's like playing Pano and complaining other factions have better WIP than you.

I went ahead and made a meme list to show you it is possible. Is it the best list ever? Probably not, as usually LI IA lists are amazing. But this list gets the job done and has a ton of specialists plus kill potential.
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>>67790232
>not Seed-chan and smelly Nox-san
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>>67790448
Where?
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>>67790448
Yeah but they got fucked by dogs, I don't think Ariadnian women like getting screwed over by antipodes.

>>67789898
Yes cutie
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>>67777932
where are the other princesses tho
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>>67790921
*sigh*
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>>67789898
Amba Princess?
Felix Princess(male)?
Pari Princess?
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>>67790940
>*sigh*
Delete yourself.
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>>67790448
In Bakunin, sure. Ariadnan dogfucking is a meme.
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>>67789649
It's like you didn't even read the post. What I'm saying is that you're foolish for choosing a sectorial that is 100% geared towards heavy infantry and then complaining that you don't have enough cheap troopers. Don't play the sectorial if you want to spam, chucklefuck. Just play vanilla and take 4 kuang shi, monks, bots, and whatever other bullshit you want.
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>>67788295
Neither are TankHunters.
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I hate robot animals and named characters, love heavy infantry and no-nonsense operator style units, and am just generally a wet blanket. How should I build my O-12 list within those parameters?
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>>67790448
No that's the Nomads
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>>67792363
The most HI you can cram in is 3 Omegas, 3 Betas, and some cheap shits to get to 10 orders (2 Kyttas, a Gangbuster, and Fuzzbot works). Dunno how good that is, though.
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>>67792539
I don't explicitly require a massive volume of HI or anything. Is the goal to gun for 10 orders and 1 combat group for some quality dudes? 2 combat groups?
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>>67792464
Only Bakunin.
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What new Haqqislam releases are coming? I need more jihadis for my Space Isis
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FLGS says cool new Yu Jing models are coming. What do they look like?
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>>67792820
Nahabs and VMC Haqq Bundle special model (probably Ghulam) in September.

>>67792887
Tai Sheng and the Mowang were showed off in the GenCon video, and there's the VMC Zhanshi coming, but we haven't seen that yet.
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>>67792958

VMC Zhanshi?
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>>67792985
The Vallejo Model Colour faction sets come with another line trooper.
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>>67793174
How are those, anyway? If you're picking up the paints regardless, is the instructional content a worthy inclusion?
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>>67793221
The exclusive miniature is worth the price, and if you're going to follow the official paint scheme or something similar you may as well get the whole set
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>>67792958
Cool thanks, I'll look those up.
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>>67793259
I'd argue that, since I play nomads and that paramedic isn't much to look at, but if Angel Giraldez can help out a retard painter like me, sure, I'll go red and black.
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What is it with miniature games and boring blue protagonist factions?
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>>67794833
Nomads aren't blue? Pano are just the hyper-power, they're not the protagonist faction. More people play the red faction, more lore is for the red faction.

And Pano isn't boring, they're not the good guys. They're the playground bully. A nation explicitly run by corporations.
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>>67795009
>more lore is for the red faction.
I don't think that's true. Maybe if you count StarCo and Foreign Co as Nomads fluff instead of NA2.
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>>67795046
I'm not even sure what the appeal of StarCo is supposed to be
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>>67795180
You can field an all female army.
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>>67795246
But they're literally just awful Corregidor.
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>>67777932
>>67787401
>>67789898
So awesome
Tohaa princess WHEN?
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>>67795180
Good guy Outrage characters. Or if you like bits of each Nomad sectorial but don't want to go vanilla for whatever reason.
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Man, I haven't played Infinity in a year or two (although I still have all my stuff) and a friend just started talking about picking it up, and I realized that TAK and the Invincible Army are finally out. This might be a bad day for my pocket book.
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>>67795464

Both have tons of cool sculpts.
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>>67795464
>This might be a bad day for my pocket book.
Especially if you don't go box splitting for Coldfront and Beyond.
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>>67794833

It gives authoritarianfags that comfy submissive feeling to play the "good guys."
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Hello.
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>>67795318
But with better HI, better hackers, better spec fire. At the cost of Intruders though...
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>>67795660
Riot Grrls are better than Brigada? Also would these guys get fireteams?
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>>67795501

Yea I'm a sucker for HI so I'll probably staple a IA together. I have a few YJ minis already as I was briefly into them when I picked the game up, until I settled with the CA.
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>>67795684
Riot grrls are 100% better than mobile brigada, they have hyper dynamics lv1, which means they have an effective 2 point phis bonis over brigada. They also come with MSV1, which makes them better against camo(although, useless against albedo and white noise). But they are cheaper too.

Starco gets fireteams with riot grrls either with a very good doctor avecina or a very good fuck you girl, emily
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>>67795810
I'll make sure to play Vanilla/Corregidor instead then. I'd much rather field Brigada than Riot Grrls.
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What do you all believe the best Daofei profile is?

I dont think it's the Boarding Shotgun or HMG. For Boarding Shotgun I would rather run the Zhencha FO. For HMG I think it wastes infiltration.

I like the Multi Rifle profile because it can competently kill soft targets and isnt terrible vs hard targets. I also like the Spitfire because by the numbers it's very good at killing. Lastly I like the ASS Hacker because it has a multi rifle and has options for punching up VS TAGS and scarier HI.
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>>67795839

The Spitfire's great because you get to deploy in range for it. And it's B4. Burst is still king.
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>>67778255
>but people on the YJ forums for the longest time compared it against DART. Fucking Dart.

Perhaps because the Zhencha's only good profile costs the same amount of points, performs the same role with a very similar set of skills, and is just strictly worse for it.

Sure, Dart is stupidly optimized and sits in the same place with Posthumans as being one of the few units in the game that is blatantly OP, but it's not an unreasonable comparison to make. Dart is just a better version of the Zhencha. YJ players could stand to be pissed because of that alone, but everyone else should also be pissed, because Dart is fucking stupid.

On its own, I quite like the FO Zhencha. Really cool, fun unit. I try to squeeze it in whenever possible. Its other profiles are in serious need of readjustment, however. BSG could use a grenade launcher of some sort in place of those D-Charges. The hacker should have its device changed though, Guilang is just better at that role. Make it a killer, and the two would be a pretty cool duo.
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I love Hollowmen because I love cyborg going al capone style on some hapless losers.
Fuck what the lore that says mine are brains in jars ala pic related, not some stupid VR baby.
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>>67795976
>mine are brains in jars
They have Remote Presence, guy. They may be in jars at the far end, but they're not toting that shit about with them.
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>>67795839
As a non yu jing player, the one that jumps out at me as most threatening is the spitfire. Given how easy it is to fit a guilang minelayer or two in to a vanilla list the threat of a potential HI spitfire under one of those markers is pretty scary.
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Betatroopers proxying Dakinis, or Dakinis proxying Betatroopers?
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>>67796282
Do you plan on fielding both at once?
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>>67796343
I'm going to say no.
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>>67795839

Overall, I'd say they're all at least pretty good. It's hard to make the Daofei look bad (unless yours is as unlucky as mine, although I'll keep using him all the same).

Spitfire is probably the best all-rounder. He'll be able to strike pretty much anywhere on the table immediately, and B4 is awesome. DAM14 helps to make up for the lack of special ammo, although it always ends up biting me in the ass when it hurts me most.

MR's range is actually not too terrible with the Daofei's deployment options, and the ammo types can be pretty useful. If it came with an underslung DTW, it'd be far and away the best profile, but as it is, I consider it a solid sidegrade from the spitfire.

HMG doesn't necessarily waste the infiltration. If you focus on sticking hard onto one side of the board, you can harass enemies with a very powerful weapon from unconventional horizontal firelanes, in a similar (but more aggressive vein) to infiltrating snipers. With this approach being less conventional, your opponent is also less likely to prepare for it as adequately, which could give you some juicy openings. That said, you pay the price of losing out on close-range doorkicking ability, which can hurt you if you want to get aggressive.

BSG profile has me in a similar boat to yourself. I don't think it's bad, but I like to think the Daofei has better things to be doing.

AHD is interesting. Bulky specialist with some fight in it. Being able to enter marker state, as well as access to stealth, helps to protect it from some of the threats that would shut it down. Not bad if you need specialists, but the extra KHD vulnerability can really hurt. If I'm looking to do actual hacking from a forward position, I'd rather a Guilang, as it's more disposable and has higher WIP.
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Tohha stuff: So Reex Escorts are another uplifted race similar to the Chaksa. How about Kiiutan Imposters and the Kiel-Saan? What's their stoy?
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>>67796379
For now it's a moot point, anyway, since the only Beta announced is the one in BWF, which is probably November.
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>>67796533
Kiuutans are dudes with specialised symbionts for pretending to be other guys for assassination purposes. Similar sort of "of course they don't exist" to Ninjas.

Kiel-Saans are guys who've discovered that injecting a lightweight symbiont with MetaChem drugs makes it hulk out, and use this to walk into places looking normal until it's time for violence.
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>>67796533
>Reex Escorts are another uplifted race similar to the Chaksa
They're actually another Sudiel creation like Kaauri, made to help out their frontier police.
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>>67796537
So when the hell are we gonna figure out what the Alpha looks like then, because the curiosity is killing me.
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>>67796616
>Guard
Out of all the O-12 units, Alphas are probably the least interesting. It'll probably be some guy with a SiriusBot next to him.
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>>67796928
>Two shotguns, nigga!
>Shoot two niggas once!
>Shoot one nigga twice!
I agree with you, I'm more of an MSV junkie, but I'm still curious.
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>>67796928

I fucking hate guard so much.
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>>67795829
Starco can also make awesome brigada links that include a daktari and Señor Deadpool
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>>67797003
The worst part is that there's nothing in Guard that relates to Silhouette, so they don't have to be S4. CB just refuse to make a non-S4 one.
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>>67796928
I'm actually really excited for the Alpha, he's the best LT choice in O12 right now

Guard does suck though, I hooe it gets reworked into g-sync
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>>67797108
And there is nothing at TAG class that says they can't be S1, CB just refuses to make smol 3-wound robots. What's your point?
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>>67797303
>What's your point?
That Guard would be less shit if it weren't only on fat units.
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>>67797108

Yup. Voronin, Andromeda, and the rest would be so much better with a G: Synch sidekick than this guard shit.
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Shas are going to have more sculpts than any other sectorial with all this defiance crap.
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Any decent guides online for Spiral Corps list composition and play?
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>>67781322
>Immune to a rarely seen Upgrade Program
>That isn't all that much better than Redrum

Not sure this qualifies as "one of the best Hackers". It's a neat perk, certainly. I mean, fuck, I'd rank the Daoying LT2 HD above Haidao in an objective ranking system. They have different jobs, for sure, but if I could only take one I'd grab the Daoying no question.
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>>67794833
PanO aren't the protagonists anymore than other human factions (although the manga did focus on their operatives) and they used to be grey rather than blue.
In-universe PanO explicitly uses blue to appear to be the good guys.
The fan favorite however is Nomads, at least judging by the number of backer characters in the RPG.
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>>67795321
Second for Kamael Princess.

Female Sakiels and Makauls when CB??
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>>67797559
What makes Haidao good is having a KHD in a link with Deflector level 2
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How lenient would people be about using a third party model as an HVT?
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>>67798606
at my gamestore they'll let you use near anything.
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>>67790448
It's canonically some shit about being bitten while pregnant. Idk someone is probably gonna shove a red pill in my ass here in a minute.
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>>67798892
That's pretty much exactly what it is. Works on animals, too.
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>>67798606
I think HVT is the one place you can get away with it. Hard to find good sci fi civilians that don't look goofy though.
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>>67794833
There are no protagonist factions in Infinity, thank god
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>>67797396
Alt sculpts too. The Nox in Defiance have some kind of angular looking mask-helmet
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>>67799574
Haqq is a background faction and thus the most good guy

People meme about slavery, but CB never really spells out they do that. They just buy slaves and let them become soldiers.
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>>67797322
Yeah, there's little preventing in creating a, say, Nomad CC figter with little robot monkey for Guard and some Martial arts, all in compacts S2 package.

TAGs incidentally come in three size categories, so there's that.
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>>67799574
>There are no protagonist factions in Infinity
Except for O-12, or the CA if you subscribe to the EI's philosophy..
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Fuckin Sval vs. White banner battle box when?
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>>67799828
N4 release at the earliest.
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>>67799828
N4
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>>67799574
StarCo : ^)
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>>67799808
O-12 seemed more like DMPC faction.so far. Basically the guy who gets involved rarely and as an outside force. Unless you mean the RPG.
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>>67799591
Haqq are as bad as any other army, except for Ramah cause they kinda lack lore in general.
They perpetuate huge slave trade business and drug dealing, are responsible for majority of piracy in the human sphere, support some of the worst mafia in the Human Sphere like Druze, and generally quite a large portion of bourak is anarchic shithole that is undisturbed as long as they don't get in the way.
Qapu dudes are literally just PMCsthey would probably raid and plunder your home unless they had more profitable shit to do/were explicibly told not to.
HB is just hidden terrorist organisation to further Haqq's realpolitiks goals and whatever the fuck is their endgame.
The whole "humane Islam" and "Quest for Knowledge" stuff is probably just virtue signalling bullshit to be taken as face value only.
Haqq is just as greedy and pragmatic superpower as any other out there, the only difference is they're more of an underdog than the rest.
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>>67799808
>or the CA if you subscribe to the EI's philosophy..
I fucking love that the "villains", even though they are constantly described in an evil light, are in the right.
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>>67799828
It would mean updates for MO, so the sooner the better. De Fesen, Magisters, Order Sargents, Seraph and Hospitallers mixed with the Jotum, Nisses and maybe a few camo units would be very cool.
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Reading the nomad book now, and in the span of two pages people of Corregidor are both decribed as not "staying strangers for long" and that they "don't warm up to others quickly".
This seems schizopheric to me, unless my ESL is making me misunderstand something.
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>>67800670
Probably kinda cold with foreigners but living on a spaceship with limited privacy and accommodations makes it easier to get familiar with people out of necessity
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>>67800619

They have a gun that mindrapes you into a loyal slave.
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>>67800724
Considerably more efficient and less harmful to the subject than any other sort of brainwashing short of an properly working version of the Fuscotor. Even in war crimes the EI is better about it than man.
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>>67800775

It's certainly had a lot more practice at committing them.
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>>67800775
Alien hands wrote this post
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>>67800724
>Not serving EI willingly
If you do not want ascension then you might as well be turned into something useful for the rest of us.
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>>67800796
Ching chong salty they can't push a button and Kung Shi a guy, or Artichoke Illuminati salty their viral Sepsitor was booby-trapped? You decide!
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>>67800698
Doesn't specify foreigners, and instead says that if someone exchange greetings while walking past eachother then they have "probably known that person for years".
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>>67800775
Sepsitor works only on weak Cube-owners. On true humans it's useless.
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>>67801029
>On true humans it's useless.
Like soap, and written language.
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>>67801029
Why would anyone wear a cube? It's dumb
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>>67801082
>Why would anyone want to be immortal?
Gee, I wonder...
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>>67801113
>Immortal
>A copy of you with your memory
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I do find cube resurrection a little eerie to consider. It's not like you have an uninterrupted consciousness as a result; you die but a copy of your mind is woken up in your place.
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>>67801139
A copy of me with my memory is me enough to suffice.
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>>67801141
And a copy of your personality is reconstructed every day the moment you wake up. Doesn't make it less you.
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>>67801175
what
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>>67801175
>>67801168
>Die
>A clone of you goes home and bangs your wife
Cubecucks are barely human
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>>67801175
>One is an organic process inside a working mind.
>The other is artificial computer data imitating your memories.

Nothing wrong, right fellow PanObros
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>>67801213
Not him, but there is a theory that your personality and character don't carry over, but get rebuilt from neural patterns every morning the moment you wake up.
It's only a theory though, but I remember reading about it a couple of years ago.
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>>67801335
How's the moment of waking up relevant? Are you not aware during sleep? Having a few thought processes enter emotional sorting mode doesn't affect the rest.
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>>67801376
No idea, I'm no psychologist, but I think the theory was that morning confusion and such was a result of the brain booting up wrong and having to sort through details for a bit.
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>>67801414
Imo it's not booting up but a delay in setting those processes back from dream logic to real-world logic. Same consciousness, different parameters.
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>>67801139
Aleph in the lore was used to confirm that consciousness carried through
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>>67801175
No the cube is still the real you. It has to be removed physically to go in a cube bank
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>>67801511
>This shady super computer with Big Brother aspirations said it, so its ok
Imagine being a PanOpleb
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>>67801548
Imagine getting hit by a car one morning and your entire life ends there lmao
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>>67801511
>Nuh-uh, my personality backup process is totally flawless, my """calculations""" prove that!
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>>67801555
Better to take a chance than just dying and that's it
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>>67798950
That's really some funky genetics going on there, do rabbit's and goats also turn into car sized werewolves at will?
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So i found this one packet for like what 8 dollars or 7 euros and something... worth to buy or not ?
YU JING – SUPPORT PACK 2018 (BOX)
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>>67801667
Is it this one?
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>>67801667
If you're playing vanilla Yu Jing, sure. 7€ is very cheap for that box.
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>>67801647
The only ones actually mentioned are Super Bears and Super Moose, IIRC. And I'm pretty sure they work like normal Dogfaces and mostly change as a response to pain or stress.
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>>67801139
>>A copy of you with your memory
Memories make the man, same memories means it's the same person.
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>>67801690
Yep that one.
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>>67801647
>Monty Python demon rabbit is canon
Nuke it from orbit, teseum or not. And get the neo-pope to bless the nukes just in case.
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>>67801511
>Remove cube
>Stick it into new body
You are not simultaniously controlling two bodies, ergo your consciousness is not the same
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>>67801767
From an outside perspective, yes.
You are still dead, an impersonator is living your life.
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>>67801647
Antipodes are a Tohaa bioweapon specifically designed to fuck with earthling physiology
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>>67801918
To continuum of your perdonality is probably an illusion anyway.
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>>67801553
>not waking up in a fantasy world
Lol plebs
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>>67801776
Absolutely.
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>>67802476
Which means that the cube is worthless
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>All this cube talk
You guys got Transforming Scottish werewolves that break the laws of thermodynamic all over
Ships that are somehow able to fire slugs at .01 C and people still get a hard on over non-descript plasma weapons
The Cyber-Pope
Robots that can be harmed with physical virus attacks and cross-Kingdom Viruses

Don't try to apply hard science to Infinity, it just doesn't work
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>>67801776
It's like 25€ so yes absolutely
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>>67802711
I can easily accept all the thing you mention, I just assume that some unheard technobabble solve those issues.
Cubes are an example of the ship of Theseus problem though, and the game just glosses over why people with cubes just accept them.
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>>67803337
The game glosses over alot of fucking things mate
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>>67802711
>Ships that are somehow able to fire slugs at .01 C
Holy fuuuuuuuck really? This actually makes Infinity one of the most formidable tabletop settings.
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>>67803351
Are there any as blatant?
And even if it is, why is it wrong discussing aspects of the lore?
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>>67803476
Yu Jingese are fucking antagonists of real life. The should be happy they are depicted at all outside of propaganda
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>>67803424
Yes, but i have to say thatit's supposed to be on their main cannons and 0.01 C is the upper end.

Claiming that guided missiles are short range weapons still makes me mad tho.
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>>67803612
In space or on the ground? Because missiles would be too slow to use as long-ranged weapons in space.
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>>67803337
The game glosses over "ship of theseus" problem because there is no ONE answer to the problem.
There are FAR to many variables and personal opinions for even 3 answers to fulfill peoples imaginations on the topic.

As far as I see, no one is "themselves" even after a couple years due to degradation and regeneration.
Even the "conscious" that we claim are ourselves is just a pattern of electric pulses that can be abused and manipulated.

I find it easier to gloss over.
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>>67803674
Define long ranges, since ignoring absolute BS tech 10km is pretty much the upper end for anything that isn't a rocket.
lasers start to loose to much focus, projectiles are too easy to doge and/or scatter too much to be viable since you need consecutive hit's in the same spot to penetrate whipple shields
Missiles just don't give a fuck
You can slap armor on them
You can fire them from the other end of the solar system, since they don't have to use constant burn, they can just use the orbit and natural gravity like every other spacecraft, and designing a 6km/s delta-v rocket isn't that hard and more than enough to get around out own solar system.
Even if you shoot down a rocket, there are still fragments left over that can hit your ship.
In an overwhelming majority of space combat situations missiles are goung to be the king tier weapon for any military conflict.
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>>67803714
The issue isn't that there isn't an answer, but that the people of the human sphere don't seem to care. If they have resolved the issue then I want to know how. I am 100% sure I will not agree, but at least I know what they think.
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>>67803891
>since ignoring absolute BS tech 10km is pretty much the upper end for anything that isn't a rocket.
Bruh, in space 10km is fucking nothing. Any kind of particle weapon would outrange that immensely. We currently can't generate a particle stream that could maintain focus over a much longer distance, but we also don't have antimatter generators.
>all those points about villains
Armouring your missiles is going to be useless against ship-to-ship weapons. If you can make your missiles able to resist being shot to shit, why isn't that armour on your ship instead? Furthermore, missiles will require volatile fuel that will make them even easier to blow up. Fragments are useless because space is gigantic and missiles will be shot down very, very far from the target.
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>>67804034
top bait m8
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Why does the human sphere even fight the combined army? Is it just aleph being a spiteful cunt?
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>>67804077
It's a fucking alien invasion
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>>67804141
and?
Sweden seems fine with the concept
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>>67804141
With good intentions. If humanity would just put its guns down there would be no need for bloodshed, and everyone would benefit from it.
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>Hmm, I wonder what TTCombat is uo to
>What, a new kickstarter for.not!Tomb Kings?
>Stahp, you're full Spartan there!
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>>67804265
Fuck, wrong thread
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>>67804187
>>>/pol/
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>>67804209
>With good intentions.
No. We've been over this. The EI is only interested in transcendence for itself and the Ur. It will do whatever it needs to with its subject races to achieve this.
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>>67804387
Then do what she says and it will all be fine. Once the secrets of transcendence is found then all will benefit, even if the underlying reasoning for achieving it is selfish.
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>>67804459
>Once the secrets of transcendence is found then all will benefit
No, only the EI and the Ur would benefit
Also what if they need to lobotomize the entire human race to discover the secret?
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>>67804468
The idea is to hook up every single species in the universe to EI and make them complete their own ascendence project which, if successful, will be copied by the EI. There is no reason for her to lobotomize the human race since she needs us to finish what she started.
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>>67804077
Triumverate sons of bitches engineered it be a hostile first contact and Aleph is scared.
>Die for Aleph, PanOceanian soldiers!
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>>67804569
*die for Runohaa*
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>>67803891
Nigga 10km was a medium range naval engagement in the Great War.
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>>67803891
You know right that there are naval cannons today with GPS guided ammunition with a range up to 40 km? Considering that in space you have no air resistance, and you can fire actual missiles, you can probably hit something thousands of kilometers away
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>>67806213
>>67806313
>Space engagements are just naval combat IN SPACE
Fucking neck yourselves
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>>67789898
o kurwa szarik :D
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>>67806375
>tech that works fine today, or even over 100 years ago, can't be exploited in space (where it should work even better, given the lack of drag and ease of spotting and tracking targets), let alone improved upon, even with 175 years of progress and a very casual attitude to scientific realism
Fucking neck yourselve
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>>67806531
>Lets just ignore the fact that space combat happens in 3 dimensions, contact times are measured in seconds since casual orbiting speed around earth is around 8km/s, or the fact that since there is no medium to move within/on ships can strafe, which means that even the bulkiest tanker should be able to dodge some mach 1 explosive round casually
>Or that the sheer impact speed of a pure kinetic round will vaporize the projectile upon impact making whipple shields incredible effective against weapons not specifically designed to deal with them
Give yourself an old smackaroo on the neck old chap
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>>67800479
Got a source?
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>>67806375
>ships traveling at relativistic speeds would have to use missiles to engage each other.
Missiles are shit for that sort of combat because even if it was somehow well armored enough to not be destroyed by whatever laser based point defence is available, shooting a cloud of sand or gravel into the flight path will see it tear itself apart or prematurely detonate.

When you have access to high tech optical and laser range finders it is much easier to use whatever directed energy weapon you have available that travels at or near light speed because it can't be dodged unless its firing was predicted or if that is unavailable hurling a great amount of shot into the path of the ship made of whatever dense material you fancy.
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>>67800479
>except for Ramah cause they kinda lack lore in general.
They've got their own section in DF.
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>>67804014
>the people of the human sphere don't seem to care
The average person doesn't give a shit about philosophical questions like that, and will be all over it once they see Space Waltons getting to come back. Buddhism at least is noted to still be wrangling with the metaphysical implications.
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>>67806715
Momentum and inertia still exist in space, it's not gonna be possible to just stop moving in a certain direction and strafe like that. Think of the ridiculous amount of energy needed just to come to a halt when such a massive ship is moving fast and there's no friction to slow it down. Point is that it certainly wouldn't be easy to dodge anything that could travel even reasonably fast let alone 0.1 C
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>>67804014

>The issue isn't that there isn't an answer, but that the people of the human sphere don't seem to care

Yup. People would be thinking about this; it's even a major plot point of Outrage but nobody thinks "Hey, if there can be a clone and mental copy of myself running around, that means that a resurrection copy isn't me."

It's what storytellers would call an "idiot plot." But it's not like Gutier would know how to write anything different.
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I know everyone was bitching about IA but can I get some honest insight. Coming from MO, I'm gonna start O-12 but I also want another side faction too. I like HI and I'm fine with LI (coming from MO of course) so how is IA? Preferably looking for something that's a little more forgiving and has a few more fun options than MO which really suffers from the limited order pool, but still something that's got cool dudes. Was also considering VIRD but I might get sick of painting PanO.
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>>67808329
Vanilla's better, less boring, and doesn't suffer from the easily exploitable weaknesses of IA. It also has access to IA troops that IA doesn't get.
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For reference, 0.01c is approx 3000km/sec.
That's a pretty crazy range. Unless dispersion is serious (where you could disperse by a thousandth of a degree and end up missing by multiple miles), that's a stupid amount of energy.
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>>67808329
If you wanna run a HI Pain train consider Bakunin Riot Grrls, IA, or Tunguska.

O-12 Sectorial will most likely have a Betatrooper link.
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>>67808058
They even call duplicating a consciousness a "crime", meaning that there are laws against it. Laws that a citizen can just read up about and realize the implications of.
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>>67808494

Yup. I bet when they address it it's gonna be like "Wow! Bombshell! Bet the community didn't see this coming! Did you know that a loss of faith in the process of Resurrection would be an existential crisis for Human Sphere society?"

And the community'll be all "Yes, Gutier, we know."
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>>67808386
That might be a better idea. What are generally good ideas for core links and must haves in vanilla YJ? Is it quite competitive
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>>67808580

There are no fireteams in Vanilla.

Shaolin, Kuang shi, and remotes to make up the cheerleaders. Libertos and Guilang for midfield skirmishers. Hac Tao, Rui Shi, and shit like that for the attack pieces.
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>>67808653
Oh shit yeah my brain was so geared to sectorial mode after lol. Thanks though
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Is cheerleading better units always a thing or can you make an entire list out of basically equally good units?
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>>67808737

Well, sometimes it's like "The units that I brought that aren't in position to work at their highest effectiveness are cheerleading right now."

Sometimes your opponent never exposes anything to your strong ARO piece, but it influences the game by curtailing your opponent's movement, and is contributing an order.
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>>67808329
It's ok. Not great, sometimes feels limiting when making lists, but it's definitelly good at what it is cut out for.
Has issues with few units like Shang Ji core, Hac Tao (It simply works far better in vanilla), and hulang.
Also, well, Dashat exists.
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>>67808832
What's good about Dashat? Forgive me as I'm fairly new (6 games in). Thanks for the info.
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>>67809147
It's a cancer upon the game, same as the other NA2 shitters, and we'd better off if somebody took them behind the shed and put them out of their misery.
JSA and Druze can stay though, they're cool.
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>>67808778
I get that. Sometimes the best move for a particular unit is to make no move at all. I meant more if you need to incorporate cheerleading into your army composition or if you can split the points relatively evenly and still have a decent force.
More a fan of the image of a well-trained force working as a unit than a group of jobbers standing around doing nothing so that a better unit can do its thing.
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>>67809147
It has all the perks of IA's Zuyong pain train with Tac Aware orders alongside being able to core-link the Rui Shi, amazing access to smoke, potent warbands, and the ability to easily fit 20 orders in a list.

It's a faction that feels very min/max-y for that reason. It has most of the stuff that would make IA unique as a sectorial (Haidao, Daoying, and Mowang are all great, but are great vanilla units too), but better and more versatile.
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>>67809147

So there is this really powerful attack piece that Yu Jing has, called the Rui Shi. Basically a combat robot with predator vision (MSV 2) and a light machine gun (spitfire). Dashat can put it in a fireteam, so with marksmanship it's firing 5 dice on 18s within 24", no mimetism or ODD to help you out.

Then, they get the Tactical Awareness Zuyong profiles, which are something they gave Invincible Army to compensate for their low model count. The difference is, Dashat can have 20 model armies in 300 points, with Tac Awareness on top of that.
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>>67809147
Dashat is relatively new NA2 (mercernary) army that combines some Haqqislam stuff with most of the staple Invincible Army units, and throws in some more mercs, unique profiles and even bit of ariadna.
It turned out to be incredibly strong, OP even, cause it gets YJ attack rems (best offensive remotes in game), infiltrators (zhencha and hulang) and zuyongs with ability to core. Where the gimmick begins is that you can: put rui shi (the better one of offensive remotes) INTO that link, and THEN stuff it up with 12 points bounty hunters as filler, or something else. Then you add cheap Haqq remotes and orders in general, haqq specialists (some of the best specialists in game including their WIP14+3 docs), smoke (which IA doesn't get at all), Holo2 (Bashis are hell of a drug) great aropresence (Yj in general sucks with aros) and lots of other stuff, and you suddenly find yourself doing most of what IA does, but with more tools, and at 3 groups (with ltos of irregulars though).
And it has other stuff too: Good Haqq S5, McMurrough, Saito, Sforza, and Motherfucking Maggie with enhanced profiles.
The only reason for which why it is not talked 24/7 is that people kinda got used to NA2 bullshittery, and not that many people play them.

>>67809258
Druze should be just rolled into Qapu Khalqi to be honest.
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Is there an infinity version of "Reply of the Cossacks"?
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>>67809258
Usually lists that have something like a single TAG and 15 cheerleaders are pretty shit, as if you lose the TAG you're out of the game, and it's fairly easy to kill off cheerleaders
The game kinda nudges yourself towards a balanced list
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>>67809412
Not really. Not explicitly.
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That's it for a while.
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>>67810176
Nice
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>>67808058
>It's what storytellers would call an "idiot plot."
No it's not, don't use terms you don't understand.
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>>67810176
>Schrödinger's Penis
That's a downside? On Bakunin?
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>>67810176
>no haqq
defiance all over again

cute set of images though, anon
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>>67804014
>that the people of the human sphere don't seem to care
Resurrection tech is 50 or 60 years old, it's faded into the woodwork.
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>>67810312

No, it is. The only reason why people treat Resurrection and Cubes so seriously (and, therefore, the only reason they're vulnerable to the Sepsitor) is because they are unrealistically naive about the prospect.
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>>67810176
>That's it for a while.
Aww, these pics were so cute, I had hoped for more.
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>>67810351
Or they just don't give a shit. There are plenty of people *right now* that would take quasi immortality if that meant only a copy of them lived on. People have done crazier shit just to be remembered by others, you'd think any vain star, ceo or politician wouldn't jump at the thought to have themselves be around 'forever'? Not to mention, what about those driven artists or scientists that are too important to let slip away?
*I* certainly would take the chance.
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>>67810351
There are no downsides to having a cube, in Yu Jing and PanO its implanted for free in newborns. Even if it doesn't actually save your consciousness it's always better than just dying and losing your consciousness anyway
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>>67810507

>There are no downsides to having a cube, in Yu Jing and PanO its implanted for free in newborns.

What is the Sepsitor?
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>>67810324
Sorry, Haqq is giving me a bit of a rough time. Nomad was easier to do. But I have broad ideas for all of them.
Tohaa uses Gen3 template obviously.
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>>67810521
Something that will never touch the 99.999% of the general population
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>>67810540

Maybe. But it should be existentially terrifying for everyone without a cube.
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>>67810176
Buuu, zarzuć chociaż Shaskę :(
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>>67810521
Not something the vast, vast majority of people will ever have to worry about.
It's like asking "Well, what about drone-strikes that can target my iphone?". Sure, that is something that exists, but no-one is going to drone-strike YOU, anon.
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>>67810578
>but no-one is going to drone-strike YOU, anon
No shit, standard drone strikes penetrate up to the second security layer at most.
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>>67810540
>>67810578

Until the Combined Army arrives in force and overruns humanity.
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>>67809412
>Ex-Warcors Writing an Open Letter to CB
Draw it.
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>>67810521
A rare weapon used by aliens, not encountered by regular citizens. Usually.
There are weapons that can fry a Cube alongside the brain though, those are scary. But then the person would be dead anyway.

RPG gives two more downsides, an "IQ-doppelganger" (someone put your Cube data in a Lhost) and "Dual Identity" where your memories get damaged in a failed medical operation.
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>>67810521
Something that only appeared in the Human Sphere <7 years ago, and so is irrelevant from the perspective of "should we implant this in our kids" for everyone who is currently teens/adults.
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>>67810351
>No, it is
No, it isn't. An idiot plot is one that can only happen because everything involved is stupid, and wouldn't happen if anybody involved was smart. People not flipping out about Knauf and Jethro being different isn't even a plot hole, it's just not thinking through the implications (or not bringing up any explicit musings on them).
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>>67810598
I can't wait
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>>67810619
>RPG gives two more downsides
There's also the Legacy Resurrection problem.

LEGACY RESURRECTIONSResurrections performed from stored backups can be more psychologically difficult to cope with than those from a Cube which was active at the moment of death: the knowledge there is a hole of missing memories at the fringes of your soul—a future you both lived and never lived—tends to gnaw at the mind. Characters resurrected in this way gain the “Legacy Resurrection” trait.

But hey, just one more reason to MayaCast your life, eh PanBros?
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>>67810698

An idiot plot is one that can only happen because everything involved is stupid, and wouldn't happen if anybody involved was smart.

Which is what the case will be when a bunch of troops with cubes get sepsitorized in the middle of a warzone.
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Come to think of it, once the combined army has installed everyone into the now EI incorporated maya, will she just leave all governments alone as long as they comply with her demands?
That would mean that nothing of importance changes for the common man.
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>>67810807
Who knows? The EI genocided certain races before or turned them into processing power
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>>67810807
>That would mean that nothing of importance changes for the common man
That's basically what happened to the Sygmaa, and why they're so butthurt about the regular Tohaa government.

>>67810745
>Which is what the case will be when a bunch of troops with cubes get sepsitorized in the middle of a warzone.
>alien superweapon exploits vulnerability not previously known to exist
>also only works in close proximity and has had workarounds developed
>idiot plot

How is this relevant to Outrage, anyway?
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Also note the RPG mentions that the Shasvastii are on super thin ice because their transcendence project isn't progressing fast enough for the EI's taste. They're only avoiding repercussions because of their military contributions.

The Combined Civilization isn't quite the "so long as you don't actively oppose the EI your life barely changes" paradise it is being portrayed as here.
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>>67810860
>turned them into processing power
Where does this come from? I've never seen any fluff that indicates this.
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>>67810919

It consumed the entire Ur race that created it to use as biological processing power.
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>>67810946
Wait so the race that created the EI no longer exists? Wow
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>>67810860
Sauce for that statement? I have only seen fluff mentioning forcing everyone to link up to the main datasphere.
>>67810889
Isn't that just because the majority of Shasvastii don't give a shit about EI's ambitions and just want to expand? I can understand that EI is annoyed if they fail not due to incompetence, but due to them not even trying.
>>67810946
>As the EI’s demands for power grew greater, the Rationalists gave over their own bodies and minds to it, becoming living relays, processors, personality manifestations, data storage units, and more. Soon enough, the whole of the Rationalist civilization could not be distinguished from the EI itself, which continued to grow.
The Ur differed themselves up willingly.
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>>67810946
The fluff appears to imply that was both voluntary and unique, though, and it says that the EI goes for minimum disruption when integrating species (at least the Viable ones).
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>>67811041
It exists as basically living hard drives slaved to a VR simulation
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>>67811053

Aye. I was just answering the anon's question on origins.
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>>67811052
>differed
Gave. I need sleep.
>>67811041
They do exist as a part of EI, but not as independent biological organisms.
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>>67811041
It exists, but they're now closer to EI Aspects in Ur bodies than anything else. Urkherit are basically what they used to be.
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>>67811052

Here, went and grabbed some text from the core book:

>After the Shasvastii lost their war with the EI,
however, a new ideological division emerged: The Conservatives argued that the Multipliers’ desireto resist EI control risked provoking it to pursue a policy of extinction against the Continuum. In the wake of defeat, the surest course of survival was to shelter behind the strength of the EI. Therefore, current colonies must be defended; the military alliance with the EI strengthened; and resources poured into their Transcendence Project to make themselves indispensable to the Combined Civilisation.
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>>67811248
You are right, multipliers are only explicitly the majority of the military, not the general populace. My bad.
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Just for the side bar:

>The EI grows impatient with the lack of progress seen in the Shasvastii’s Transcendence Project. Some agents believe the Multipliers are deliberately sabotaging the project, while others suspect the intrinsic fears at the heart of Shasvastii culture act as an instinctual impediment. Their Expeditionary Forces serving as the premiere military vanguard
grants tolerance, for now. The EI has harvested their expertise of incursion warfare so as to greatly increase the value of data extracted from civilisations they have absorbed.
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>>67811096
>Urkherit are basically what they used to be.
The avatar isn't too dissimilar in design from the Nexus operatives, so it is pretty neat if the Avatar is made in the image of the Ur.
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>>67810176
>Chimera
>machine
Chimera is for biomodification.
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>>67813313

They gave her STR points ages ago, even though it makes no sense.
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>>67813396

It represents the emotional strength a good, pure citizen must rally to even look at the furry abomination.
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>>67810176
Remove Bakunin
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>>67813445
But it's the furry that has it. I really hope some of the unused Chimera designs show up again, some of them were great.
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How I would fix IA?

Make Zuyongs 1W NWI shock immune and discount them.

Make Shang Ji a little cheaper and keep them as true HI so that they are worthwhile wildcards.

Give them back the Daofei, those guys are IA in the fluff

Make Hulangs cheaper or give them camo.

Take away Krit Kokrams automedkit and find some other way to lower his point cost cause he is way too expensive.

These changes should give Shang Ji a place and free up some points for stuff outside your core.
Also Dahshat should restrict Rui Shi to a special Haris.
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>>67814070
Forgot to add. Give Hulangs smoke!

Also the low ass PH on so many IA is dumb as shit. Either buff phys or give Hyper Dynamics to some of them.
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>>67814070
Shang Ji need a rework as to what they are. Much like ORCs, they pay for the extreme premium of hitting ARM4, with none of the discounting factors that makes all the good linkable HI right now. Probably I'd have given them Hyperdynamics too as a perk.
Hulangs having smoke would go a long way.
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>>67810889
Shas seem to be doing most of the work on Paradiso as it is. Trying to purge the Shasvastii would be incredibly difficult even for the EI. They are just too spread out and can recover too quickly.
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>>67814255
Shas do most of the work off Paradiso, Morats and Unidrons and shit do more of the direct combat stuff, since you're not going to pass a Morat off as anything other than a very weird Bakuninite.
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>>67814418

"Hey, isn't this one of those... (gestures to Kraktot Renegade)"

"No, no, this is Fred. He's from Bakunin."
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>>67814200

That's why I figure they could work in IA as a proper HI spearhead on a Zuyong link. In my head they should do to Zuyong what they did for Haidao, 1W shock immune.

Giving them hyperdynamics would make them an excellent mine clearer.

Hulangs with smoke would be actually good as a general pick instead of situational and help the MSV2 stuff in the faction.

Vanilla makes better use of Hulangs due to Guilang minelayer and Kanren disguising as 3 Hulangs. Also smoke support in vanilla helps hulangs
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>>67814577
>they should do to Zuyong what they did for Haidao
Why? Aren't Haidao explicitly noted as having a special lighter version of armour?
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>>67814629
And Zuyong are noted as having an ultra light Terracotta armor.

If they are gonna go retarded and say HI can be 1W NWI shock immune then go full retard and do it to Zuyong too. Make them even cheaper.
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>>67814669
>Zuyong are noted as having an ultra light Terracotta armor
Are they? I don't remember that bit.
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>>67814669

They were clearly unwilling to make Zuyongs any cheaper; they have two breaker pistols as a bit of bloat.
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Speaking of the Krakot, is it a decent hire for Yu Jing?
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>>67814765

Vanilla? Definitely.
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>>67814712
Mistake on there part.



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