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Remember first impact edition

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>>67202982

>Official AoS website
ageofsigmar.com/

>Downloads; Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

>Resources
pastebin.com/UVKnsh7d (embedded)

>AoS Novels, Battletome PDF and Audiobooks
mega.nz/#F!G4k2QIRT!KAItCj7ReqYAJMuH5XXpmQ

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/warscroll-builder/
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/ repl.it/repls/FrivolousBelovedEmperorpenguin
nofile.io/f/EbyKWbMJVbM/dark+elf+photoshop+template.psd

Thread Fact:
three tomes in one are better than no tomes forever elfies
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One more Blight King left. Finished the nurgling stomach one. Bell guy left.
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SECOND FOR DAWI
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So next week we have confirmed...
>Warcry
>Underworlds season 3
What else?
Will they finally unveil Slave to Darkness or Archaon's Legions or whatever they're gonna be called?
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>>67209876
We are safe now! I can't wait for the updated battletome and new units
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>>67209857
Nice bunch of lads there, Anon.
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Based Stormie poster.
Fuck dispos, fuck potatoes.
If you don't have a battletome get the fuck out
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>>67209857
nurgle characters are quite too samey for me tbqh
nice models though
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>>67209900
They should at least two battletomes or battletome+box in compensation for this whole months of nothing.
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>>67209901
New dwarf miniatures?
You're getting my hopes up, where can I read the news?
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>>67209935
Never. One big soup pot alongside wanderers and high elfs.
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>>67209943
Nowhere because even if Dispossesed will have a battletome that anon is just wishlisting.

I dont know why fucking potatoes will not be squatted like orcs and goblins
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>>67209921
>meanwhile 40k gets like 3 releases in a row AND 2 new SCs
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Dispossessedfags are so fucking pathetic holy shit.
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>>67209857
I think the bones change every time I see them. Blue looks great though. I like what you've done with the purple tentacles too. Any chance you'll add some to other parts of skin like around the intestines?
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Will Warcry have a digital edition pdf as well?
Not being too happy with the Apocalypse situation.
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>>67209921
We'll be lucky if we get one tome
>>67209971
>3 releases
>crappy tanks and movement trays
I'm not sure those count
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>>67209971
>3 releases in a row

You mean spiky huge robot? Wow such awesome release (kek)
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>>67210003
What happened?
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>>67209900
here's a strange take on the coming events
>warcry
>slaves to darkness + everchosen
>season three of nightvault
>grand finale of forbidden power: release of both a new death faction and the light elven faction as a new starter box that will eventually replace soulwars
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>>67209812
Anybody else here burnt out by prices? At the point of going full ogre and only playing with large models.
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>>67209857
>>67209994
Yeah, I feel like if you added some Druchii Violet mixed with Lahmian Medium to thin it out a bit you could glaze some nice colour around the wounds.
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>>67209994
I repainted them a couple of times. Initially was classic bone colours but I was unhappy with it. Then I went with grey, but I already have grey as the chosen cloth colour and on the base. So I went with the 'Dark Eldar Express', which I wanna go for a daemonic look instead of going for any sort of natural or aged look.
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>>67209971
> two tanks
> some repackaged 'savings bundles'
> shit, over priced movement trays
Not to sure they are that far ahead
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>>67209971
>Not even one 40k latests releases have pic related quality
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Khorne's Bloodtithe is god awful.
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sounds like a bunch of cunty elf-fags and grobifuckers are filling their diapys over the aesthetic and soulful superiority of the soon to be battletomed DISPOSSESSED
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>>67210038
>>67209994
You guys remember what happened last time I tried to do the bruising effect...

>>67210046
Primaris shit is teased. Knights coming. Nothing to be excited about to be honest though.
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>>67209989
Mordant Earth is just the regular technical crackle paint like Agrellan Earth, but black.
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>>67210032
Fuck i know is just vain hopes but i want this to happen please
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>>67210068
You won't get anywhere unless you practice more
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>>67210054
>cut off face is pink
>skin is extremely pale and purple-ish
????
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>>67210021
COPE
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>>67210068
>EVEN MORE Knights and Space Marines
Man if I was playing 40k I'd be livid
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>>67210032
>first starter released in 2015
>second starter released in 2018
>third starter released in 2019 ????
no way for that to happen
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>>67210108
Its why I'm more into AoS right now honestly. Like, where can you take 40k nowadays? Sisters, not for me. More Primaris is lame? World Eaters/Emperors Children might be cool. Exodites would be gay.
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How many years ago was the start of the Age of Sgimar in the lore now?
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>>67210091
>Anime poster

Well that explain everything
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>>67210068
Try a very little bit of Druchii Violet, watered down, on a fine brush. If you only do the tears around the stomach it would still be a big improvement. The Blightkings box comes with plenty of bare chests and arms to practice with.
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>>67209971
Newfag we knew this year's release was 40k heavy before it even started
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>>67210090
they keep their leathers in good care
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>>67210090
Chaos mutation, time, and or leather tanning/dyeing
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>>67210108
> new teases for 40k nearly daily
>we've been waiting for Chinese trees for like a month
>release after that isn't even for actual aos
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>>67210140
100-150 years or so.
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>>67210150
Oh well that makes it OK then
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>>67210140
a pair of centuries I think
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>>67210026
Apocalypse 40k only has a physical release for rules that costs 60£(or $100) and of course no one has scanned it for good, because game is built around muh cards. You can pretty much guess from battle reports how it works, but if I wanted to look at the rules for inspiration (never going to buy 5k of 40k, fuck you GW) I'm out of luck.
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>>67209971
Yeah but it's all imperium or chaos imperium so its garbage regardless.
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>>67210246
Also tons of money saving boxes we'd be salivating over if we got them. GW doesn't give a fuck
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>>67209935
tfw no tharja gf
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is there a way to run a Bretonnian army in AoS as a counts as FEC or something else? I've heard maybe fish elves with their eel dudes. I know there are technically rules for brets but they are almost as bad as my StDs
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Dispossessed anon asking about his spare warriors: get two more, use a slightly bigger base and make a shield bearer
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>>67209812
The only thing I don't like about AoS is the fact that I will never again have the exciting feeling of seeing AoS stuff for the very first time.

It was an exciting time, guys.
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>>67210476
Kind of, seems like a stretch and they have no cavalry. Freeguild is probably your best bet or maybe death rattle.
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>>67210148
Based
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Post what armies you play and what armies you dislike

>play Khorne and Deepkin
>dislike Legions of Nagash
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>>67209900
Seeing as they called them Beasts of Chaos like in fantasy, Warriors of Chaos seems like a safe bet. I wouldn't mind it one bit. I just hope they include the monsters, drsgon ogres and undivided daemons and they release new chaos warriors and marauders. I really want to throw money into this army.
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>>67210480
Make sure you paint them as trash as this anon did as well.
Dispo gypos got to stick together
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>>67209963
The potato meme was never funny.
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>>67210627
I love Khorne aesthetic but can't bring myself to start the army
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>>67210108
It's not even space marines, it's primaris shit.
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>Tfw the prices are pushing everyone i know to Malifaux.

What a fucking mirror world this is.
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>>67210476
Brets have rules, you know.
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>>67210322
They can't do that kind of boxes when half the armies are still unplayable and no one would buy those.
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>>67210685
>Malifaux

Kek. Sad for you anon
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>>67210480
Wish they kept the rules for that lad.
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>>67210710
>Half

Not even that much: Just Freeguild, Dispossesed, Gutbusters, Elf mess and StD
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>>67210627
StD

Stormcast
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>>67210627
>play Slaves to Darkness
>dislike Slave to Darkness rules
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>>67210682
play demons with as little bloodletters as possible and they become kinda viable
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>>67210476
>paesants = skinks
>knights of the realm = saurus knights
>pegasus knights = ripperdactyls
>trebuchet = bastiladon

weird enough to work? how about legions of nagash? they have 3 kinds of cavalry, plenty of chaff, monarchs or zombie dragons for a hero on griph and flying morghasts for pegasi
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SOUL
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>>67210786
I will wait and see the scale of disappointment of KT daemons, rules are coming in new WD which doesn't bode well.
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>>67210740
Elf mess is a lot of microfactions and models though.
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>>67210627
What's the hate with LoN?

Is it just the recursion that makes them annoying or the fact their rules actually allow people to build real factions again like the old world?

Wouldn't the real problem be that GW was just retarded from the beginning and made a million micro armybooks rather than actually trying to use the setting change as the opportunity to consolidate everything?
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>>67210859
They will become one lol
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>tfw Bretonnians already suffered delusions in WHFB
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>>67210844
Pictures like this really bother me, how did the knight get knocked off his horse like that? In that he went flying and the horse is fine.

Was it a projectile? Did the skink someone fly past him on that massive dinosaur, knock him off, without ever touching the horse?
We just don't know.
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>>67209857
Love the blue but I agree with the other lads about the purple. Don't stress yourself out, you've already done it on those tentacles.
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>>67210910
>FEC joke
>Again

They will come back fags stop that nonsense
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>>67210476
You are a weak man, unworthy of playing Bretonnia.
Come back once you've learned to stop complaining about bad rules.
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>>67210947
>They will come back
Just as delusional as the elf posters I see.
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>>67210701
>I know there are technically rules for brets
yes I think they know
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>>67210908
Not this again.
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>>67210893
>the real problem be that GW was just retarded from the beginning and made a million micro armybooks

This desu^^
They want new hype impulse buys so instead of expanding existing shit they made a ton of flavor of the month armies with 5-6 kits/options and then abandoned them for the next one..

It's done for extremely short term success until 5 years down the line people realize they were abandoned or their model line will never see another release again because they will instead introduce another nobody group pulled from their ass.

Undead were literally so broken before LoN they couldn't have a stable army structure so they introduced the book as a stop-gap, but turns out that fans enjoy larger books with more options... who would have guessed.

Factions:
Skaven
Warriors of Chaos
Elves
Men
Lizards
Dwarves
Undead
Daemons

done
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>>67211032
>Not this again

What? The truth?
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Can someone summarize the changes that second edition made?
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>>67211044
I guess greenskins and ogres can come too
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>>67211056
I like the idea they'll fold high elves, dark elves and wood elves in to shadow elves, light elves and tree elves.
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Guys, I'm starting to suspect Slaaneshi mortal models aren't actually coming.
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>>67211068
Endless spells that stay active and are basically neutral once cast.
Faction terrian.
Less awful balance.
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>>67211056
No, your stupid hateboner with no regard of how GW makes battletomes, good game design or things that make sense.
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>>67211089
Wrong assumption, the next campaign will be Slaanesh freedom. Is the most attractive and important plot left in AoS, that will be the time Slaanesh mortals come
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>>67211044
There can be more variation than that but splitting armies based on "lol this dudes use mounts" "lol this dudes have guns" or "lol this dudes have a slightly different aesthetic" was retarded. Thankfully they realized that and have been fixing it.
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>>67211089
>Slaanesh
>Not enjoying the edging
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>>67210923
>tarradon is at the left of pegasus
>flies upside down over the pegasus, just for the moment needed for the skink to use the hook to unseat the rider
>terradon completes the arcing and ends at the right of pegasus
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>>67211084
Except they didn't include wanderers in the new sylvaneth tome for some fucking reason. It would have been perfect and neither army would need another kit in years but no. We can't have nice things.
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>dude at the LGS uses a kingdom death tiddy anime girl model as his stormcast general
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>>67211102
Keep crying please
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Recommend me an army that has a book and isn't DoK levels of expensive. Have my Nurgle army complete.
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>>67209900
New stormcast
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>>67211197
Beastclaw Riders
Khorne Mortals
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>>67211173
Keep using an obvious placeholder as "proof", faggot.
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>>67211227
>Placeholder

Seems you have find a safe word. Please remember your words when Aelfs tome come, faggot
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>>67211259
Assuming the these legacy armies get a tome at all...
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>>67210972
You raise a good point I must put more faith in the lady to cause great misplays by my enemies. Thank you for your motivation
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We're getting a whole load of aelf warbands aren't we
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Anyone got a size comparison/dimensions for the Mortarchs?
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>>67211120
i'm lowkey hoping that Morathi's faction switches side from Order to Chaos during that
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>>67211346
they're fucking big boys, like verminlord size
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>>67211346
Aren't they roughly identical? Same kit and all.
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>>67211285
Having an allegiance ability is a good sign
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>>67211406
Darklikg Covens getting merged with the other DE microfactions and Wanderers getting their own tome are safe bets. The question is what they'll do with the mess that are the HE microfactions.
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>>67211349
That would be a nice plot but i doubt Morathi liked being the sex slave of Slaanesh. She wants to destroy her and gain power
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>>67211439

I must admit, I'm curious about what Wanderers, minus Sylvaneth will do.
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>>67211468
I suppose they'll brikg back the eagles, forest dragons and wardancers but other than that I have no idea. That's the problem of keeping both elven nature armies separate. Their themes are so similar you can't do much without stepping into the other.
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What are some good artillery focused lists for Legion of Azgorh

Also why are they called the Legion of Azgorh?
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New to the game an trying to figure out how to make the big axe bloodthirster hit a little bit better. The gyre strike relic from malign sorcery seems good but giving him +1 to wound doesnt do anything where the +1 to hit is a big deal bringing him to a 3+ and a 2+ with killing frenzy. Any ideas?
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>>67211406
Not really, all it says for certain is they’re not getting a book soon so they’re getting rules to tide them over.

I want shadow and light elves soon.
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>>67210090
I think they are implied to be sort of undead.
The flayed skin wouldn't keep that tone for long yeah but I think it's more of a visual choice rather than a realistic one to make it stand out more and the model less monochromatic, I dig it. Favorite warcry group so far for me.
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>>67210476
As FeC it is a rather cool idea tho.
Are you gonna convert them to be ghouls or just use as is either way could work as a delusion of how they see themselves made real.
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>>67210627
Play rats and hedonites
Dislike the breaking apart of the Greenskins as a group (not the new models themselves )
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>>67211861
I think I'd leave them as is since I seem to recall something in the FEC lore saying that exposure to them makes people gradually join the delusion so i thought it would be sort of thematic. Also that way when Bretonnia rises from the ashes I'll be prepared
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>>67211173
>"How should we Rename™ the Elves of our new setting?"
>"Stick an 'A' in front of it, done, lets break for lunch"
The absolute shitty lack of effort from this will never not fucking annoy me. Would it have killed them to come up with something marginally more original? GW is creatively bankrupt.
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>>67211439
>mess that are the HE microfactions

Light aelves end up being Allegiance: Aelf Alliance
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>>67212256
Aeldari in 40k too.
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>>67211661
>Their themes are so similar you can't do much without stepping into the other.
Look through the warscrolls and unit rosters across the aelves, you get a strong feel of redundancy

>>67212256
Two A's then?
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>>67212256
You'd be talking the exact same level of trash if they named em Lutaenii or some shit.

>"How should we Rename™ the Elves of our new setting?"
>"idk call it *mashes keyboard* lutanni or something, done, let's break for lunch"

They had to not get sued while also keeping them recognizable as elves for newcomers to the game.
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>>67211661

If they're going to introduce any new units, I think the best way to handle it would be to expand them into...well, the wandering. A variety of things gathered from each of the realms instead of being focused on a single realm.
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>>67212256
Lets face the facts here, people would be bitch cry and moan with whatever GW came up with because everyone is already accepting of Elf/elves
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>>67212300
>Look through the warscrolls and unit rosters across the aelves, you get a strong feel of redundancy

The limitation to mostly bows/crossbows/swords/spears will sorta do that. You'd need to expand the range of weapons to reduce redundancy.
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>>67211044
Chaos daemons should be seperated, dwarves can be lumped together with humans, but everything else sure.
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>>67212256
Its the tome for anybody wanting to play they old elfs armies, a lot of different styles and themes like Skaven for example. What name you suggest? Aeldari union? Pointy ears armies? Faggot warriors?
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>>67210746
Day of the pillow can't come soon enough, Boomer
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>>67210476

Probably using your peasants as Skellies and your Knights as Blood Knights would work
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>>67212256
why would they, they just need some way to stick in the first google search results
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>>67212357
Even the statlines feel samey though.
So many flavours of standard aelf man footslogger, atleast the cavalry/chariots brings differentiation

>>67212290
adarki aeldari
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>>67211718
undertale.
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>>67212478
Drew Carrey!
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I was looking through laegacy aelves since they were being discussed
some cool rules, Lethal Coordination is a neat rule and Shadesliver a nasty artefact
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>>67210036
I feel you. And with freeguild especially you need so many models it feels like I'm still playing fantasy. Thought this was a skirmish-type game.
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>>67210064
What in the actual fuck is that big ass longboat-castle looking thing in the background? I've never seen anything like it in-lore.
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>>67209876
Pipe down stunty
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>>67210244
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't SCEs only able to be reforged 3 times? How have we not heard of any of them just dying outright from that process yet?
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>>67212840
I mean, you picked the horde army
What did you expect?
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>>67212887
>aren't SCEs only able to be reforged 3 times?
No, the amount of reforges possible depends on a case by case basis.
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>>67212893
Not tall skaven.
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This is what your average Bretonnia player looks like.
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>>67212887
>Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't SCEs only able to be reforged 3 times?

No, there isn't a hard cap. Some can endure dozens of reforgings. It's probably tied to each individual's particular willpower.
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>>67213015
>That helmet
Gross. Get a houndskull bascinet
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>>67213015
Duncan's favorite army is Bretonnia.
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>>67212996
Empire/Freeguild has always been pretty horde-y
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>>67212887
There's no cap, but there have been ones that have been too weak to survive reforging and dissapated. It was in Soul Wars. Depends on the individual.
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>>67213015
An awkward, beanpole manlet?
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>>67213015
You are just envious you don't know the eternal bliss of chivalry. I pity you anon.
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>>67213091
As if you look better
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>>67209812
Soon
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would people think I'm lazy if I paint monochrome nighthaunt? I really like the idea.
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>>67210685
They'll be back once they check out prices there.
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>>67212052
It should be pretty staightforward. Your serfs are now ghouls. Your knights are cypt horrors and pegessi knights are flayers.

You could probably get away with using the mercenary cannon rules for the trebuchet.
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>>67213984
>paint the army to look exactly like an unpainted one
What's the point?
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>>67213984
depends
monochrome with effort looks good, lazy monochrome like the Concept one looks awful

>>67213793
new death when, hopefully we'll see it in a week and a bit
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>>67212256
Itd even lazier than that. Aelf is the old english spelling of elf.
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>>67209812
Question:

What's THE army you guys like fighting against the most and why?
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Of the aelf cluster, why did they pick 2 to get allegiance stuff and why did they pick wanderers and covens?

>>67214085
Kharadron Overlords of course
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I've been holding off AoS since WHFB went down and I'm looking to get back into it, question what's the viability of a Skaven army that doesn't use magic, I played a lot of Clan Mors so I'm loaded with Clan Rats, Storm Vermin, Jezzails and some Doom Wheels lead by Queek, however I've noticed not only is Queek not listed anymore and is just a Claw Lord from what I've read you'd be knee capping yourself if you didn't use magic, am I just looking at this in the wrong way or has that really become the case?
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>>67214134
Why specifically Kharadron Overlords?
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>>67214511
Purposefully ignoring magic in an army with great magic (on almost every hero) is going to make you worse, of course, but Skaven is strong and poorly costed enough to still make a fairly strong list avoiding it - especially for casual games.
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Need help on rules here brothers,

playing a skirmish game for the first time as slyvaneth

Is there any change to the placement of Wyldwoods at the start of the game?
thanks you in advance
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>>67214540
Take a wild, wild guess. Pretend to have a sense of humour if you're still stuck
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what's your favourite 3 colour paint scheme, boys?
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>>67214648
Book pre orders this Saturday.
Or find the leaked book online
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>>67213363
Have you seen that fag with the helmet off?
How can you NOT look better
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>>67214930
Red, black, and white.
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>>67210627

> Play Beasts and working on Free People on the side
>Hate Stormcast
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>>67210627
The game would be better if everything that was death was removed from the game
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>>67215318
cry harder soimar cuckhammer
your big golden boy lost and the jail is shattered
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>>67210627
>play gobbos
>hate ghosts and basically anything that can regen wounds
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>>67215469
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>>67215488
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>>67215394
>unironically defending death
>cancerous winrates
>0 interaction
>fec fights first and attacks four times before you do anything
>nagash brings back an entire 400 point unit for 1 command point
>constantly regening models
>best most versatile magic
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>>67215508
Aelves soon.
I feel it, Wanderers maybe?
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Are Wanderers actually fun to play? I am considering getting and order army and it is either them or dispossessed
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>>67215532
>it's just a throw away underworlds warband that never becoems anything
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>>67214914
Oh. Fuck. Was not familiar with Kharadron previously. Jesus what's up with Sigmar and balance? Even the Necron do well enough in 40k.

I'll up you one:


Bretonnia
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>>67215569
Might be worth to wait and see first a few months
>them or dispossessed
you really like hard mode huh

>>67215623
Hardly counts desu senpai
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>>67215521
lmao
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Why so many subfactions? Why does GW refuse to make regular human armies?

I'm interested in Warcry, so here's hoping they release some non-chaos stuff for that because none of the main factions in AoS interest me very much.
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>>67215689
Why would anyone who hates on Death be a stormcast player
That doesn't make sense
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>>67215669
currently playing ogres and bonesplitterz so I am used to big braining every game but it makes it more exciting imo
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>>67215635
Vampires/flesh eater courts.
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>>67215569
no, pick a real army and you'll have more fun
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>>67215635
FEC no question.

>>67215700
inefficient pipeline, not enough employees, and general incompetence.

>>67215569
Fun is subjective. They're quite fragile, but do okay damage. Allegiance abilities are very fiddly. Need allies badly.

Dispossessed are not fragile, but don't do good damage. Allegiance abilities are bad. Need allies badly.

So both kind of similar, and both are horde.
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>>67210627
Play nighthaunt, legions of nagash, dispossessed, mixed order shenanigans, starting FEC

hate skaven
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>>67215623
>Even the Necron do well enough in 40k.
I have to disagree bub.
Unless yoy have tournament stats for that.
-t. Necron player
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>>67210068
We have faith in you, Rotbro.
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>>67210627
>play BCR and IDK
>dislike skaven though the models are cool.
>used to dislike sylvaneth but their new wyldwoods are less annoying to move through and their new book fucking sucks and nobody deserves that
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>>67216828
>their new book fucking sucks and nobody deserves that
Damn really?
What happened?
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>>67216869
It doesn't really. It's just a lot different in synergies and gameplay from before, it still has very powerful builds.
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>>67216869
Anon is disgruntles things became less braindead and more complex to listbuild.
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>>67215623
>what's up with Sigmar and balance? Even the Necron do well enough in 40k

AoS balance is not perfect but it's miles ahead of 40k. 40k has one or two tournaments build (last time I looked it was Castellan + IG + BA captains Vs Ynari) and the rest could as well not exist for tournament purposes. AoS has a few shitty armies but almost every tournament has a different podium and on a casual level every army can fight and win.

T. Necron player
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>>67217023
I tried my Necron list in a tournament and the Necron faction passive might as well not exist. My first opponents was guilluman + repulsor combo, second was standard IG FRFSRF and third was AdMech Kastellan turn1 doubleshoot 60+ shots combo.
Necron passive hinges on enemies leaving at least 1 model alive in your units and that just aint happening in a tournament setting.
-t. Salty Necron player
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Darkling Covens when?
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This is my latest painted model.
Please say something nice about it.
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>>67212881
fuck off green garbage
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>>67217084
It happens rarely even in a more casual setting. All it needs is the opponent not being literally braindead. Focus on a single unit at time is hardly a complex tactic.
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>>67211141
The thing with delayed gratification is that there's an expectation of gratification being delivered at some point.
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>>67216272
>general incompetence
That's GW.
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>>67216272
>both are horde
What isn't horde? Maybe I just don't know enough about the game but the only ones I can think of that aren't horde are stormcast, the two ogre factions, and ironjawz (without ardboy hordes). The rest of them rely on big blobs of infantry.
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>>67217553
Armies not running 40 man blobs or more cynically multiple 40 man blobs are not horde.
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>>67216272
>general incompetence
At this point I feel it's malicious incompetence.
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>>67217553
The problem with defying what are and aren't horde is that people have different standards for what qualifies as horde. There are people that consider lists with 60 models at 2000 points a horde, which is retarded because the only armies that have less models are the very elite ones. In general units or infantry is what the game is about, true horde armies should play more than 100 models or 40 models units.
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>>67217553
There are quite a few other factions that have a non-horde gameplay (nurgle mortal comes to mind). As long as capping objectives is based on number of models and not number of wounds, horde will stay very relevant though.
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>>67217380
Nice work looks like a fun model to paint
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>>67217023
>>67217084
Consequence of shooting-heavy
Warhammer and gunlines don't play nice

>>67217380
Looks ready to bully some of Sigmar's finest
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>>67217666
>>67217687

Thanks flr the validation! Got any models of your own that you'd like to show off?
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>>67217588
>hundreds of models isn't horde
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>>67217553
Stormcast aren't super elite either
A decent Liberator/Sequitor count helps

>>67217743
>1k game? Yeah I've got a 1000 models ready to go
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>>67217743
Horde or horde-army anon?
Slight difference.
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>>67217706
Just some fellow ghosts I posted the other day, still need a highlight or 2. Building some reapers at the moment they have “a bit of a gap” down the middle of them
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>>67217610
Yeah the matter is subjective and thus pointless for debates.
Only difference I can see is armies that are dependant on a horde core to function and armies that have horde ootions that isn't strictly required to function.

People calling 20 sized units a horde, I feel have misunderstood the point between Elites, regular-sized units and hordes.

5-10 units are elites.
10-20 units are regular-sized.
30-40 units are a horde.
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>>67217864
Your ghosts are so high-quality I saved your picture.
Godspook Anon.
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>>67210740
>Freeguild

They're hardly unplayable - they've already got a good allegiance ability + artefacts, they just need a book
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>>67217921
Free guild so good they had to make the Ulgu mortal realm a staple in GW tournaments to prevent freeguild shooting supremacy.
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Faction-terrain should be destructible - thoughts?
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>>67217935
I suppose there really isn't another good shooting faction is there?
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>>67217893
Thanks! Love it
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>>67217950
I don't think so, but so is the design for AoS and personally I enjoy it that way.
I quit 40k due to gunlines being the constant across most factions.
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Friend knows I am starting to collect Ironjawz, so he asked me what scheme I had in mind for them. He asks me to meet him today and gives me a megaboss he painted me for my army. Says it was sitting in his model overstock, but I think he went out and bought it. True friend.

So I went to the store and bought/painted a warchanter to be his incompetent assistant.
Meet Gormok da big boss, and Zug Zug the Feeble.

Gormok slaps zug zug around three stooges style, and as a result, Zug Zug is very neurotic and panicky, but carries out tasks efficiently.
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>>67217937
why?
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>>67217950
Skaven have really good shooting I believe though, their artillery being able to do up to 12 MWs in a single shot and they have ratling gunners, rat snipers and monster weapons-platforms.
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>>67217950
SCE, of course, can throw some weight in that phase
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>>67215469
>>67215488
>>67215508
>>67215532

Between that and Ogor possibilities, maybe Aelf v Gutfriends is possible
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>>67217992
Oh boi do I know it - every time I run a griffon vs skryre skaven it nearly dies turn 1 from a lightning cannon
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>>67217937
Dropzone has this and it is pretty cool, but they also feature rules for using terrain and destroying it incorporated in the core rules in such a way that it doesnt make sense to not have it.

It wouldn't work in AoS due to the binary and sometimes mandatory nature of the terrain.
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>>67217989
trees are flammable that's why
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>>67214134
Becase those are the core of both Dark Elves and Wood Elves. Same reason they did brayherd. It was the core of BoC.
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>>67218071
rocks aren't
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>>67212840
That's because AoS was never any smaller than WHFB in scale. AoS being skirmish was just a meme because of the round bases. Certainly, GW pumpikg out just elite armies until recently didn't help either.
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>>67218161
Pretty sure AoS is smaller by virtue of model count.
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>>67210632

That would be so sweet if I could play my Dragon Ogres in Warriors of Chaos as well as my BoC army.
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>>67218224
Not really. Elite armies tend to be between 30-50, with obvious exceptions as BCR or Everchosen. Regular armies are aroun 80 models and horde armies more than a 100. The only difference is that taking multiple 40 man units isn't encouraged for every army and you can play with less points.
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>>67218208

The skin tone is pretty ochre, so I'd say take a basic Caucasian flesh tone and mix in some yellow until you get a colour that looks similar enough.
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Skaven have some murderous stuff
Horde blending and good spells. WLC. For starters
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>>67218307
What points-level are you operating at here? I assume 2000k for the whfb comparison.
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What new SC boxes do we need?
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>>67215669
Viva la Bretonnia

>>67216617
ctrl+f Necron:

https://www.40kstats.com/clevelandchainsword
https://www.40kstats.com/stayinyourlane
https://www.40kstats.com/copy-of-konrad-curze-was-right
https://www.40kstats.com/alamogt
https://www.40kstats.com/games-of-westeros-vi

Necron are the HARDEST to get right, but when you do it's glorious

>>67217023
>>67217084
>>67217687
>>67217408

Not since the update, Orks are the top right now followed by Eldar, then Tau, then everyone else, then Imperial Knights, then Necrons roughly. ODDLY Imperial Guard are faltering after the big 100 point Castellan nerf from the update. They're still good though. But ya the meta is looking almost as healthy as the Warmachine meta if they could JUST BOOST Imperial Knights and Necrons a LITTLE more

>AoS has a few shitty armies but almost every tournament has a different podium and on a casual level every army can fight and win.

Destruction domain is doing terribly right now and the number of factions doing also doing terrible is incredibly frustrating:
>Free Peoples
>Kharadron Overlords
>Beastclaw Raiders
>Bonesplitterz
>Gloomspite Gitz (doing a little better, but still not good)
>Gutbusters
>Ironjawz
>Hedonites of Slaanesh
etc etc etc

also not even counting the stuff GW is trying to phase out like:
>Bretonnia
>Tomb Kings - https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-tomb-kings-en.pdf

Here's some raw data
>40k (go to post April update)
Stats: https://www.40kstats.com/top-4s
Update: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/warhammer_40000_update_April_2019_en.pdf

>Sigmar (Sigmar had an update this month but it's done almost nothing)
Stats: https://aosshorts.com/useful-resources/age-of-sigmar-tournament-list-archive
https://aosshorts.com/lvo-2019-results-top-lists/
Update: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/age_of_sigmar_generals_handbook_errata_en.pdf
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>>67213984
I think the biggest problem with that scheme was that it had almost no contrast it was an almost muddy grey...
A proper black and white army could work quite well
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>>67216869
>really?
nah, just got changed completely in a way that makes them just another army instead of this unique (albeit miserable to play against) thing.

Old:
Listbuilding is interesting with lots of options. So many playable battalions, megas, etc.
Playing is completely braindead, always go first and teleport to objectives and run the clock till you win.

New:
Listbuilding is boring.
Playing is much harder, possibly even as hard as the average army now.

>>67217607
I would've disagreed with you till I learned how much time they wasted on meeting engagements instead of giving factions proper rules in the GHB. What a shit show.
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>>67218371
2k, yes. Not any hard data, though, just what I've seen and my own experience.
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>>67218418
My NH army is roughly 70-80 models at 2k points so it falls within your observations.
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>>67218399
>Slaanesh is doing badly
Yeeeees, I surely believe that one of the most busted armies at the moment is actually doing badly.
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>>67218395
DoK
Darkling Covens
Freeguild
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>>67218395
Nighthaunt
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>>67218482
>new boxes announced
>sacrosanct and NH
OH NO NO NO
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>>67218395
They should make Battalion Boxes that come with the min requirements for one or two decent battalions from most factions.
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>>67218482
They should clean up the Death SCs. FEC one is fine but the Malignants one needs reconsideration
SCs seem to come out of the blue ala TS and SW
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>>67218399
>the number of factions doing also doing terrible is incredibly frustrating:
>>Free Peoples
>>Kharadron Overlords
>>Beastclaw Raiders
>>Bonesplitterz
>>Gloomspite Gitz (doing a little better, but still not good)
>>Gutbusters
>>Ironjawz
>>Hedonites of Slaanesh

That's just because all of these armies don't have battletomes with the exception of Gloomspite (too random to have consistent good placing on a tournament, still very strong) and Hedonites of Slaanesh which you need to be a skilled player with a tier 1 list to have a chance against.
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is it me or stormcast helmets are too small for the heads they should contain?
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>>67218493
that's inevitable, the contents of soulswar are already divided by faction on different sprues
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>>67218399
Slaanesh is quite possibly one of the best armies in the game right now, but your main point is correct anyway.
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>>67218548
>SCE SC #3
AAAAH
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>>67218471
Wow. The IDK was the first aelf SC
A bit underrepresented
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>>67218647
Yep they released after DoK and already have a box which is bullshit
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>>67218562
>>67218527
Aaah okay, can you guys provide any data on Slaanesh doing well? This is coming from a Chaos Undivided player

>>67218527
>armies don't have battletomes
The only two factions on that list that don't have battle tomes are the Free Peoples and Gutbusters. Also that's still bad on Simgar's Meta that those two (and more) don't have them.

>with the exception of Gloomspite (too random to have consistent good placing on a tournament, still very strong)
Gloomspite could be buffed a lot better and I hope they will be in the next General's Handbook.
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>>67218819
Dok at the time had a box consisting of a cauldron and a unit of witches. They stopped selling that unfortunately.
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>>67211718
Deathshrieker Rocket launcher or deathquake mortar against hordes, maybe. I'd just go with the Deathshrieker
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>>67218853
>Aaah okay, can you guys provide any data on Slaanesh doing well? This is coming from a Chaos Undivided player

The link you posted yourself shown Slaanesh having 4 players in the top10 of the first major tournament post GHB2019.

>The only two factions on that list that don't have battle tomes are the Free Peoples and Gutbusters

I was talking about 2.0 tomes. Basically updated armies.
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>>67213043
>houndskull bascinet
>Bretonnia
Brets are 12th-13thC, not 15thC
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>>67218534
IIRC lore-wise their bodies/heads shrink/grow to fit their armour, that's why they're all the same size
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>>67219007
They are actually 14th-very early 15thC with greathelms.
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>>67218910
>>67218562
>>67218527
>>67218460
OH. SHIT. Okay I'm wrong on Slaanesh. I was thinking of how she performed in the 2018 General's handbook. I need to update my data on her.

>I was talking about 2.0 tomes. Basically updated armies.
Ahhh okay. Yes they are all in dire need of an update. Still though, very bad on the meta, that's what the General's Handbooks should be for as well as new tomes
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>>67214930
HOME OF THE FREE LAND OF THE BRAVE
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Daughters of Khaine here, do the harpy-ladies synergize well with the snake-ladies?
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>>67216869
Anon here is a brainlet who, if the combos aren't as retard proof as FEC or Skaven, thinks its bad.
This is why he is a shit player
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>>67219029
I don't see many in plate armour, most wear mail hauberks and have great helms, Ok so they're more 12th-early 14th, but I can't see 15thC influences through the other periods
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>>67219032
>I was thinking of how she performed in the 2018 General's handbook.

Slaanesh had a new time a few months ago. It skyrocketed the power level of the army.

>that's what the General's Handbooks should be for as well as new tomes
That's simply not possible. Not updated armies have in general a very low power level in their warscroll. To balance that the GH would have to reduce their cost to ridicolous levels. We are talking shit like Ironblasters being 40 points. To fix those armies you need to increase their power level, and you can't do that without a tome.
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>>67217935
> freeguild shooting
Place a citadel wood in middle of the table. Then place another on the other side.
Voila. Freeguild shooting is fucked
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>>67217950
Skaven, Stormcast are much, MUCH better shooting factions
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>>67217975
Based friendarino bros.
Ironjawz rock. Like the schemes looks good.
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>>67218855
Right before release even because GW jewery knows no bound
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>>67218395
KO need a less shit one.
DoK just need one.
A Tzeentch mortals focused one would be nice.
That's the RELEVANT factions good to go.
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>>67218534
Holy Sigmar they look SO MUCH better without those shitty masks
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>>67219068
>Slaanesh Tome
that explains everything

>not possible
true, that doesn't keep it from sucking, but ya hopefully it all irons out in a year or two
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Blightkings with unmodified hit rolls of 6 and Nurgle Endless spells when?
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>>67219117
Yet still absolutely horrible
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>>67219126
When we get darkling covens
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>>67219126
>wanting China spells
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>>67219123
>that doesn't keep it from sucking,

Trust me, it would suck a lot more if GW balanced those armies using points, transforming 2000 points lists in 1000 points ones forcing people to buy lots of shit to play, only to release a tome that rectify the power level and increase points correctly, making all the new shit people bought useless.
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I haven't playing AoS for a long time, and I have zero expiriance with their other games. And I have a question about game balance or rather how GW fixs their stuff. now I know that some armies will always be better, and some will always be worse. nothing wrong with that, but isn't the FAQ and general handbooks suppose to fix all of the stuff? I mean right now they nerfed one of the top 3 armies, or maybe even just nerf certain builds for it. The two other are left more or less untouched, while at the same time the general handbook didn't help the really weak factions to be valid. I don't play tournaments, so I shouldn't really care what the top of the top is, but even when we play here at our store with no one planing to do tournaments, we struggle to balance most of the armies against the top3. So does it take GW longer to fix stuff, or is it always like that? And no if it happens to be a thing, am not planing to drop out. I am just curious, plus need to encourage some friends that want to stop buying stuff for now.
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>>67219126
Not soon. Maggotkin Tome was designed for 2.0 so it's considered one of the most up to date tomes. If your tome has a blue logo, it's new.
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>>67219065
Almost everyone has at least plate armour in both arms and legs and the Green Knight is in full plate. They are closer to the 1400 in this pic but with greathelms. thou sometimes they are missing some pieces of plate, that's why I said 14thC too.
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>>67219155
fair
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>>67219032
The GHB is only for point balances. Most of the armies without a tome or with a pre 2ed tome need their rules rewritten altogether having in mind the current standards and core rules.
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So do we know what the next battletome will be?
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>>67219021

As if stormcast couldn't be any more gay
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>>67219162
You have to consider that until a few years ago GW balancing didn't actually exist. If something busted came out then your only hope was a new edition or enought power creep to make it weaker. Right now GW made a lot of progress in balancing things. It still has a lot to do, but for example they just announced that points update are going to happen every six months instead of every year.
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>>67219126
>Nurgle Endless spells
let me guess: swarm of flies, a cauldron and a earth-pustule squirting caustic bile

you can already make them with lifeswarm, sylvaneth, gloomspite, fyreslayers and kill team:rogue trader bits
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>>67219163
That's not entirely true. Nurgle was the first tome they introduced their new rule writing system that made things a lot more consistent but it wasn't designed with 2ed in mind. AFAIK that was DoK.
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>>67219183
True, ya I getcha
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>>67219037
directly synergize as in buff each other? no.
combined arms-style synergize as in heartrenders drop+pop rend-2 shooting to support your ground troops of elite blood sisters? yes.

note: bow snakes are a trap, and not worth taking in any capacity.

>>67219187
my guess StD/darkoath/everchosen, KO, and... gutbusters even though them getting nothing ever is a meme that has proved quite correct for the past 4 years.
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>>67219208
I mean, I too play StD, you know that reducing their point costs wasn't gonna make them suck any less.
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>>67219199
I have been playing since spring, may to be precise, so I don't have the long term view on how stuff were. I guess it is good that they make FAQ nowadays then. Is there something like a design studio channel, where they explain the future stuff or why they designed stuff in specific ways. I bought a few white dwarfs, and tried to go through their community page, but they just fluff, there is no real plans or real explanation why they did stuff.

Points updates every 6 months seem brutal. If your army comes out just before a 6 moth FAQ, it won't get updated, then after waitin 6 months the changes could not be enough or be too strong, if some other book came out with the prior 6 months that affected your book. Why don't they update their stuff on a monthly bases, or at least bi monthly. Some people may not even want to wait 6 months, specialy if they aren't sure if their faction is going to be fixed the way they like in 6 months.
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>>67219187
Obviously Warriors of Chaos. Now the next few could be anything. I think they'll get Freeguild, Dispossessed and Darkling Covens out of the way quickly since those don't need new models, just a tome, spells and getting their microfactions back. Gutbusters is a posibility too if they end up merging them with BCR. There's also 1ed battletomes.
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>>67219206
>>67219163
Also hitting on unmodified numbers are a new thing in 2.0
I believe most armies have unmodified numbers as a part of the new design philosophy.
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>>67219117
I think it's because the normal heads don't stick out of the curve delineated by pauldrons as much as the crested helmets

it's more or less the same reason why paladins and the castellant work: the backpack or the wider crest provide a better transition between the curve of the pauldrons and the one of the helmet

liberators would probably look better with judicators helmets too despite being almost identical
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>one box of Start Collecting! Maggotkin please
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>>67219177
fair enough
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>>67219230
Why did GW split the faction in to so many sub factions, if in the end to make the armies work, they have to put them all in to a single big book anyway? For example the split between ogers and beast riders. Bestriders is a faction of 2 box sets. the bison riders and big monster dudes. Why split them off from the oger?
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>>67219228
>Is there something like a design studio channel, where they explain the future stuff or why they designed stuff in specific ways.
There's an official podcast where they bring people from the stuido and they talk about those things.
>Why don't they update their stuff on a monthly bases, or at least bi monthly.
You need to understand that this is not a videogame, it's a tabletop game where you need to buy, build and paint models, so fucking over with the lists that quicly is just as bad as staying years with no changes.
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>>67219252
What I meant with the new rule system is that they now have a rule catalogue, so to say, so every time they want a concrete effect for the rule, they have one wording so everything is consistent. Before that, they just wrote things on the fly and the same rule that does the same could be written in any number of ways, which made it a complete mess.
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>>67219218
True!

On a side note, what I do for competitive is I divide my undivided into whatever's doing the best (Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch or Khorne), that way I can ride whatever meta is being favored of the four.
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>>67209971
desu 40k releases are shit anyway, The only good 40k release this year were Genestealer cults
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>one copy of Start Collecting! Slaanesh please, they look just like me :)
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>>67219272
>There's an official podcast where they bring people from the stuido and they talk about those things.
Is it on their community site somewhere or
on youtube?

>so fucking over with the lists that quicly is just as bad as staying years with no changes.

Ok, but if there is only 3 lists at the top doesn't that mean that everyone else is getting owned hard for years till GW decides to nerf those lists. Plus with how many lists there are, you can never be sure that after a year it is going to be your army time to be good. And I doubt people are willing to wait years, that maybe their army gets better.

Right now we play with 7 people, and 2 want to quit, because two guys who play rats and hedonists just destroy them, and by destroy I mean, we tried giving them 200-300pts handicaps and the specialy the skaven still win.
And even worse of the 3 other, one guy decied to switch to hedonists too and bought exactly the same models the other guy has. So if the two guys leave, the only non skaven or hedonist player I will get to play would be flesh court guy, and I really don't like playing against his army .
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>>67219301
Based army
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>>67219270
It's a remnant of the mess that was the release of AoS. They have been correcting it for some time now.
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>>67219301
how do people like this go to school and don't end up bullied? Where I live you can have a no life, if you happen to come in a merch of the wrong football club.
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>>67219349
How long does it take to say in a podcast or somewhere that all oger units are considered BCR or vice versa? Plus they seem to be making a ton of separate codex, the dwarfs got a new codex, but it is just slyers in the book. The chaos book has only slanesh stuff, and the khorn book only khorn stuff.
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>>67209812
Hurry up and get yours before they're gone forever bros!
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>>67219397
worst dice ever.

I use mine as bomb squigs in 40k :P
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>>67219374
Because BCR and Gutbusters won't be combined. And yeah, because they are recombining some stuff, but they won't just put the old Armybooks together again.
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>>67219397
nah, i use gamescience dice
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>>67219351
have you tried not living in a hellhole like poland or alabama?
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>>67219319
Oh, well, my bad. But the rule thingy was also Nurgle.
>>67219338
On youtube, the channel is Warhammer TV. It's called Stormcast for AoS and Voxcast for 40k.

Achieving perfect balance is impossible and as I said, most armies need better rules, not point changes and too frequent point changes aren't viable.
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>>67219338
The problem you have is called pubstomping. At a competitive level things aren't so clear cut. True, some armies make good showings more consistently but there are lot of tournaments that have fringe armies like Ironjaws or Bonesplitterz winning. Your problem is that some armies are a lot easier to play and while can be countered by a skilled player with a good lost they stomp on newbies. Need wouldn't help in that case unless they nerf them at the point of becoming unplayable. The only solution is to tell the people playing them to dial down their lists or stop playing with them. Convince the two people that want to leave to continue playing but not against Skaven and Slaanesh.
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>>67219430
>poland
I don't even like football and I survived.
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>>67219021
This only reminds me of how having to try being space marines hinders stormcasts from developing their own character

stormcasts' armours are practically prisons for their souls, it is the one thing they all have and retain at each reforging, their new life and death is inextricably linked to them, on top of being made of perhaps the rarest material in this universe.

yet again they have to be treated like power armour: a mere instrument, replaceable, sacrificeable, uniformly decorated.
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>>67219374
Anon you aren't making any sense. They don't talk about future plans on those podcasts because that future may change. We don't know if they'll recombine the ogres or if they'll expand each. Fyreslayers are a completely bew army based on one of the old dwarf units, not units split from the dwarves. Most of the time they recombine things that make sense to stay together, but if obe of the split factions has a lot of potential like DoK, they expand then instead.
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>>67219374

It’s not as simple as that, existing things in the BCR book like traits artefacts and battalions wouldn’t accommodate the full scale introduction of guts, you’d need a new book designed from the ground up.

Personally, I’d rather they kept them separate, although I do like the idea of mournfang in my guts, I don’t know what they’d do that ironguts couldn’t
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>>67219461
Anon, they can remove their armor, they get it repaired and replaced as needed. The fuck are you talking about?
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>>67219177
1250 is BEST
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>>67219479
Being fast. Armies need to have a little bit of almost everything to be functional. The early AoS design philosophy of "this army is just slow infantry" and "this army is just cavalry" except for stormcasts needs to die in a fire.
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>>67219426
>Arab numbers on dice
absolutely haram and marah
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>>67219524
... how else are you going to number d20s?
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>>67219514
They’re not that fast, but I take your point, if you could pair them with a hunter or stonehorn and bring them on from a table edge I’d make room
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>>67219473
What do you mean the future may change. The books they have out right now, are books that were finished 6 or months ago, otherwise they wouldn't be able to print them. What stops them from let say finishing an army, and then 2 months later telling people that the new book is going to have this units, those rules etc. They don't have to show everything, but at least people would know what to expect, and they could stash money or don't spend it on bad units that won't get updated.
>>67219430
From what I understand in LA, the center of universe if you come to school with the wrong baseball cap, other people may think your part of the enemy gang and stab you or shot you. My cousin had to go to school in Leeds, and all the non muslim people lived in fear of muslim school gangs there, excluding gypsies, and it is not that they were brave or that muslims didn't try anything with them, they just had gangs of their own. So don't tell me it is Polish or Albanian thing only.


>>67219441
Sure m8 come in a cracovia gear to where I live and see what happens.

>>67219408
Well I don't know which books are old and which are new. But if did saw ogers on the art in the BCR battletome. There is no way they weren't one thing at some time. Same with dwarfs, slayers have a lot of same looking dudes, if you could mix them with the disspossessed or the ballon guys, the army would be more diverse in models and not look like a wave of 100 naked dudes with pink hair.

>>67219434
Thanks, I will check it

>>67219437
But we already did dial down, the skaven and hedonists players played with 1800pts, and they did not like it, but when we were 7 they weren't in a majority. Now 2 people less and one guy switching to skaven there is actualy more of them then any other faction, last week they decied they had enough of playing 1800 vs 2000pts. Am trying to find arguments to make the people that left return or at least keep playing, but I don't know how to.
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>>67219602
how do BCR win games where you have to claim multiple objective, or have to claim them with spellcasters or models with artefacts?
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>>67219629
>and they could stash money or don't spend it on bad units that won't get updated.
Precisely this. They don't tell you what's to come so you buy what's availible now AND the future releases instead of just the future ones.
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>>67219648
They don't. That's like asking how StD win games.
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>>67219662
No you just don't buy at all, like my friends, get jaded and leave the game, while others are left stuck with armies too and no or fewer opponents.

No one has enough money to buy stuff from GW non stop, their price ranges are crazy, even with recasts it is hard to build an army.
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>>67219489
they get shaped for the armour
they get resurrected with the armour
they can only teleport back to azyr thanks to the connections the armour has
sigmar only started making stormcasts after looking at the sigmarite of the core of the old world

it is idiocy to think the armour isn't absolutely vital for the creation of a stormcast defined as an augmented being capable of reincarnation and channeling a part of a god's power

I believe it's so much more important than a chaos armour is to a chaos warrior and a power armour is to a space marine
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>>67219672
Well I didn't know, that is why I asked. With 7 people playing we didn't cover all armies played, didn't even have all battletome armies as no one wanted to play nurgle or DoT.
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>>67219550
with mayan numbers, obviously
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>>67219706
... interesting...
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>>67219694
You either ally in grots to cap objectives, or I suppose now you could use merc marauders to bring in the bodies
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>>67219692
>I believe it's so much more important than a chaos armour
Uhh. A chaos warrior without chaos armour is a marauder. It literally sustains them. With it, they don't need to eat or sleep and juices them with chaos power making them even bigger and stronger. Chaos armour is what makes a chaos warrior.
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>>67219692
This is basically all wrong, Anon. They come off the Anvil naked, they get their armour fitted later after being made. And they can return to Azyr without their armour just fine, they sometimes even leave pieces behind. I have no idea where you're getting this bullshit, to be honest.
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>>67219550
Roman numerals of course!
The dC is the best die.
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Finished my Syllesske for my Hedonites of Slaanesh
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>>67219883
Looking good, Anon. Love that pale gold.
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>>67219883
Is that jaw thing on the dude a separate part, so you can make him without it?
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>>67219883
Looks really good anon.
The dark hue of the deamonette makes it a bit harder to spot details, but otherwisw great!
Keep it up. =)
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>>67210640
at least he actually painted them. the grey tide is the most popular army in my area by far.
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>>67219910
Probably just a picture thing. In real life she should look better. I had a friend who could take school photos, because they would turn the picture in to a black blob.
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if the new elf faction, sorry I meant aelf apparently, doesn't include rules to include the HE models still in the range I'm going to lose my fucking mind. also, have alarielle pull the branch out of her ass and add the wanderers to the sylvaneth codex, and throw the dark elf players a fucking bone too while we're at it.
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>>67219629
>But we already did dial down, the skaven and hedonists players played with 1800pts, and they did not like it, but when we were 7 they weren't in a majority.
Playing with less point is completely useless if they just cut out the fluff and still play the broken things. Dialing down means not playing multiple warp lighting cannons, not reducing the infantry that goes with them.
>Now 2 people less and one guy switching to skaven there is actualy more of them then any other faction, last week they decied they had enough of playing 1800 vs 2000pts. Am trying to find arguments to make the people that left return or at least keep playing, but I don't know how to

"How about we play against each others instead of against the guys with the broken armies?" I honestly don't understand why the two guys left. If you are in seven player and only two (before they all switched ) have broken armies it means you have four possible opponents you can have enjoyable games with.
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>>67219970
>sorry I meant aelf apparently
>sylvaneth codex
Here's your (You), you seem in need of it.
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>>67219648
I know you're just playing locally, but BCR win 30.6% of their tournament games, which generally amounts to the two battleplans that only monsters/artefact heroes can capture on and getting lucky against really, really bad players. Though that'll change with GHB19, as now battleline can capture in those battleplans so bcr actually suck at every 'plan now.
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>>67219970
Alarielle has forgiven them, the Wanderers just don't think they are worthy of her yet. Also call them elf if you want, no one cares if you use aelf or elf.
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>>67220024
Go fuck youraelf
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>>67220058
I will go fuck my elf wife, yes.
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>>67220102
That was the intended pun, yes.
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GW SLAVE NAMES GOOD, STOP SAY ELF
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67220113
So long as there are still snowflakes like (You) who get triggered by "aelf", I will continue to say it. Look here

A E L F
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this thread miraculously got more retarded. i do miss my gay ass elves though
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>>67220058
Correction, no one with more maturity than a 5 year old cares.
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>>67220175
Ok aspie, since you're too triggered to understand jokes, see
>>67220102
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>>67220197
I read that as yourself. So my bad, Anon.
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>>67220113
ogor
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>>67220129
You misunderstand, we're laughing at you for using corporate slave names
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>>67220243
Games Workshop has deposited £0.005 into your account
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>>67220237
That was also the intended effect, sorry for that.
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>>67219979
>Playing with less point is completely useless if they just cut out the fluff and still play the broken things. Dialing down means not playing multiple warp lighting cannons, not reducing the infantry that goes with them.

yeah, that would kind of a require people to buy extra stuff, so they won't do it. those with bad armies have no garentee that if they get specific stuff their armies will be able to fight, while the chance of making someone buy bad stuff when their list is already good is exact zero around here.

>"How about we play against each others instead of against the guys with the broken armies?" I honestly don't understand why the two guys left. If you are in seven player and only two (before they all switched ) have broken armies it means you have four possible opponents you can have enjoyable games with.

2 left. 1 is mea, out of the other 4, two are going to be skaven, one is going to be hedonists and the last guys plays flesh courts and I just don't like to play against his army, because it isn't fun to play against. Before one of the skave guys played disspossesed, the guys that left played order elfs mix and free people, so with me it was 4 vs 3.

>>67220023
are they better in casual settings? Non of us here plan to play tournaments, just store games on the weekends. I understand that for touranment the valid options are rather limited.
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>>67220252
Yes, I guess this is why you have to keep reminding people how NOT MAD you clearly are, my Duardin :^)
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>>67219629
>From what I understand in LA, the center of universe if you come to school with the wrong baseball cap, other people may think your part of the enemy gang and stab you or shot you.

Ah yes,and Paris is full of muslim rape squads that rape every tourist. Stop watching TVP, 500+
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anyone knows where i can get decent tomb kings alt minis since i still miss a few of them like necrosphynx and ushabti and those on ebay are waaay too overpriced,also i know they're squatted and don't give a single flying fuck about it so don't waste time with shitty bait comments.
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>>67218408
Meeting Engagements are fun and you should stop being a salty badwrongfun mtgfag
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>>67219437
I'm not in that anon group but I own those two armies and you bet I'm salty with that crap.
I've collected skaven since wfb still have the monopose clanrats (and yes I've put them on rounds), because they were my favorite race in the setting.
When AoS came along I got the clan pestilens tome and bought more pestilens to play a monk horde, or I'd take a ghb skryre list with a bunch of stormfiends with a variety of guns not the stupid warpfire spammers.
Battletome comes out, and sure, certain things are unbalanced, but now every unit is OP. I try to choose unusual stuff from my about 4000 pts collection and apparently it's all WAAC faggotry.
Verminus army with lots of stormvermin and the clawlord batallion? Op they are too strong.
Moulder with a gorillion giant rats? You bet they are broken. Scrub lets Nagash be dogpiled by 6 rat ogres turn 2 then whines they are broken with the packmaster buff.
Now I own an Emperors Children army in 40k, and thought, well the daemonettes seekers and daemon prince are in rounds already, with a new tome it'll be a new army to start and use as the rat drama dies out... yeah that went well...
I have 20 plaguebearers a herald a tree and a Guo that I'd ally in with the pestilens but I'm almost afraid to get blightkings since nurgle can get a new cheese of the month tome soon.
Believe me I'd rather have them be mid tier than deal with some of this crap.
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>>67220381
The problem isn't that they're squatted. They're still playable. The problem is that there's no good alt minis. The only line I know of is the Totally-Not-Tomb-Kings from Mantic but those are, well... Mantic has a reputation for horrendous kits. Not really deserved anymore, their recent stuff looks fairly good, but their Not-Tomb-Kings are not new and they are everything that people complain about with Mantic. They're butt fucking ugly.
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>>67220379
And I tell you that, if someone would walk in with a cracovia scarf, first recesse he is going to be beaten. And he better be first grade, because if he is 16-17, he may end up getting cut after school. Happens monthly around here.
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>>67220286
>take walk test
>nat 1
>lmao, you slip and die
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>>67220286
That's the 1-in-6 chance to die on Deadly Terrain in action. I guess.
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>>67220286
More action from proper breastplates the comic.
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Second wave Kharadrons when.
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>>67220452
Well Wisla is a polish club, and theirs cracovia is a jew club. It is natural to hate them.
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>>67220574
April 2020
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>>67220381
mainly overpriced crap but there're a few pearls
https://tabletop-miniatures-solutions.com/14-undying-dynasties
heavy on the long run
http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/47-royal-tumuli-guardians
not really undead
https://www.crocodilegames.com/store/itemList.cfm?catID=14&sort=prodID
a bit less egyptian, a bit more roman/greek
http://lubart-miniatures.com/product/tomb-cataphracts-3-models/?fbclid=IwAR22lvL22kDkfpDd4Mul_2FrGoxwMEf-Dr0-Ebuw5Di_BBQ4rYLTZxxFHWs

never forget about looking for things among reaper miniatures (I seem to recall some good bone giant) and that some GW models can still be converted into good elements for tomb kings (high elf chariot gives you a rather neutral frame and some basis for small sphinxes; morghasts, nagash, neferata and arkhan have still reminiscent elements to nehekara to cannibalize and even the basic skeletons have enough bits to ditch the european aesthetic in favour of a more naked one)
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>>67220597
3PPD
THIRD PARTY PIG DISGUSTING
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>>67220597
thanks a lot anon
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>>67220597
>GW models
if you want to go a bit more messy:
slaughterblute, maulerfiend, alarielle's wardroth beetle, tzaangors and kournoth hunters can be surprising bases
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>>67220648
THIRD PARTY
BEST PARTY
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>>67219883
Black Panther power fantasy
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>>67220597
and nagash themed scenery
https://darkfantasticmills.worldsecuresystems.com/shop.html?store-page=Necrosia-c29217087
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>>67220648
Honestly, with TK and Brets, third party or recasters are the only reliable ways.
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>>67219883
that dark skin works really well on daemonettes
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>>67220728
>>67220728
New
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I hate that when I try to google tactics the top results are always the 1d4chan tactics pages which are just like a list of units with a bunch of memes thrown in and no actual tactics. Its just like
>This unit good.
>This unit bad.
>That which shall not be named... HAHAHA we didnt say Chaos Spawn so funny!
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>>67219073
This is why I love helstorm rocket batteries
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>>67220318
>2 left. 1 is mea, out of the other 4, two are going to be skaven, one is going to be hedonists and the last guys plays flesh courts and I just don't like to play against his army, because it isn't fun to play against. Before one of the skave guys played disspossesed, the guys that left played order elfs mix and free people, so with me it was 4 vs 3.

You seem to be a not competitive player that has the bad luckof being in a group that like competitiveness. If the other two players left because of that your best bet is to try to contact them and form a smaller group were you can play against each other without anybody having too powerful armies.
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I don't care that Lizardmen aren't top tier. They're the coolest faction even as Seraphon
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>>67217144
> + 5 months
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>>67219217
>bow snakes are a trap, and not worth taking in any capacity.
Not even for that battalion?
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>>67213091
He's actually next to an ogre



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