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>Official Site: Contains rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often explain strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Statistically see what cards everyone else puts in their Commander decks.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by Commander color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

>Official search site. Current for all released sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>GOAT search interface and hi-res cards
http://scryfall.com

>Thread Topic
What is your favorite artifact card?
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TRINISPHERE
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>>67206827
>TQ
I’m a plebeian who loves Aetherworks Marvel.
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>>67206827

Favorite?
Sands of time solely because it's jank shit.

>>67206862
I mean i can brew budget friendly janky fun stuff but oh well perhaps some day.
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>>67206896
I still don’t understand why it didn’t get a Masterpiece version.
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>>67206919
Because it's not good marvel-kun.
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>>67206827
Maybe I'm basic as hell, but I really love this thing
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>>67206800
spare time is scarce atm and work is very draining, not to mention I need a very long time to get things to decent levels, but I might give it another go sometimes.

If I didn't know any better I'd say you were that Etrata anon from vg/mtgag, judging from the way you write
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>>67206827
>TQ

The only artifact that's won me Victory!

DOOR TO NOTHINGNESS!
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>A month ago Darkest Hour was under 1$ in CK.
>Before unbans was at 3.
>Now is at 5 and going up.
Fuck this shit.
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I wonder if we'll get another Jund """"""""lands"""""""" situation this year for the precons.
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Just because everyone else uses that commander for degenerate decks doesn't mean you can't build a fun jank deck with them!
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>>67207019
Jund lands already happened in modern horizon.
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>>67206827
Don't mind me, just making sure no one gets out of hand.
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>>67207019
Yep boros """""prison""""" but actually just more boros combat garbage
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>>67206995
Feels badman, i got mine ages ago.

However my teysa deck has the combo as a secondary out. Otherwise i just stall and control till i pull out divine intervention and draw the game.

>>67207036
See reaction to anon, I AM JANK SUPREME
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>*Blocks your path*
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>>67207053
MH was more lands based than what we got for windgrace's precon. I remember some poor bastard had to spoil Scute Mob.
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>>67207167
>has nothing but triggered and activated abilities
Heh, nothin personal
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>>67206827
Well it was Paradox Engine ;^)
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>>67207230
Nice try anon, I don't think anyone is going to bite the bait and keep defending bullshit bans that are entirely based on muh feelings of a playgroup of retards.
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Any good cards for esper zombies in the last two sets?
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>>67206995
I was going to order multiple copies of mana breach from card kingdom a few days ago they had like 30 or so then I went to order them today and they were all gone but the foils.
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>>67206947
Neither are some of the Gearhulks
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>>67207310
Depending on how janky you are, Dreadhorde Invasion.
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>>67207262
But isn't your own post just more bait based on the way you worded it?
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Is he bad? I'd really like to make a deck of him that doesnt totally suck.
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>>67206827
Where's all the fetish art, anon?!
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>>67207387
my first pack had a combustible gearhulk and you can't stop me from playing him
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>>67206896
>I’m a plebeian who loves Aetherworks Marvel.
i've never really thought about playing it in edh. it is very neat.
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>>67207410
I'm pretty janky, that's already in my deck. So is the Overseer. I meant MH1 and M20.
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>>67207438
You weren't supposed to point that out, anon.
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>>67207440
He was in my old vhati il-dal deck. I imagine a deck based around him would just be your typical black mana deck
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>>67207019
It's depends if they think this was a good choice or not, the backlash was big but black panther was very very popular and they may feel they sold more packs like that
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>>67207440
I think he's alright.
He's hilarious to pair with Horobi.
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>>67207452
>he wants a fetish art op
>he likes how fleshbags look
>he's still a slave to his interior fluids
>mfw all of my sexual pleasure is strictly under my control
>mfw my waifu is one i have built and animated myself
>mfw i have smooth, sleek, aesthetic machine sex and you have to settle for humping other fleshbags
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>>67207568
dumb Tezzeret, machines can be sexy too
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>>67207568
here's a more traditional example
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>>67207568
>>67207653
speaking of platinum angel, mp version is thicc af
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>>67207568
or
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>>67207628
>have a signed master transmuter I got as MP
It's so pretty anons.
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>>67207568
and related but still hot
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>>67206870
Same, except it's Sphere of Resistance
PAY THE TOLL
ALL WILL BE EQUAL
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>>67206995
>$5 is expensive
>meanwhile painters servant is through the fucking roof
K
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Any neat tech for this big blue boi?
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Sheldon's wife is a rocket scientist, well paid and presumably an intellectual. Sheldon plays in a craw wurm meta and bans cards that make him feel bad. Why is Sheldon's wife attracted to him and not anon, who plays mathematically optimized stax decks?
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>>67206827
>>TQ
I just can't seem to decide
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>>67207792
Go to EDHRec, then come back and list stuff you already know about so we don't waste time telling you stuff you already know.
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>>67207827
That sweet goatee and love of super tuscans. It's how I got my girl.
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>>67207872
>tfw Sheldon is in the thread
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>>67207872
>I
Sheldon get the fuck out of /tg/ and let's go to /co/ so we can complain about the new Flash stories together
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Has anyone pulled this off in a multiplayer game of commander? Seems like it would be a lot of fun.
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>>67207947
Yes. It is. Alternatively, use the red epic spell and turn the entire game into war.
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>>67207827
She cucks him and he thinks it's manly to let her, so she sticks around for the guaranteed money when she hits the wall and all the dick she can eat in the meantime.
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>>67208037
>she cucks him
>implying Sheldon isn't smashing edh thots with daddy issues while she enjoys being cuckqueened
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>>67207947
>>67208008
Or green for the Great Snake Mistake
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>>67208008
>war
as a Dagsson player I enjoy turnin my multiplayer games into "Dagsson vs The World" games it's quite fun killing everyone in turn 2~3 sometimes 5 if i'm slow
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Why are we still here..... just to suffer?
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>>67208068
I've tried this and it usually turns the game into a stalemate since no one wants to swing out and get wrecked on the back-swing.
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>>67208090
Bruh, do I have to say it again?
Use MTG Set Editor or MTG.Design, cardsmith looks like garbage. You didn't even do the flavor text right...
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>TQ
P A I N T R A I N
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>>67208090
>"I didn't pay the extra mana the last 10 spells I cast, why would I pay now?"
mild giggle.
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>>67208090
no we're here to make UNLIMITED POWAAAA
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>>67208172
I got you senpai
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>>67208483
What practical purpose does hanging a bottle that way serve?
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>>67207036
I appreciate you Urabrask-san
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>>67207827
What the fuck did you just say about Sheldon you cunt? Sheldon would effortlessly destroy you, and every filthy mouthbreathing anon in this thread, in any physical or mental contest. He has enough cum in his balls to fill up every mother of every anon in this thread and make them addicted to his fucking craw wurm COCK, unlike all your measly little dribbles of cum.

Sheldon will ban all your favourite cards and drink your tears, and he will bench press you entire house while doing so, bitch.
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>>67208717
Naw
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>>67208545
Take the cork out and then tip it in the rope to pour it onto/into something
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>>67207036
I love you Urabrask-chan!
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>>67207829
How do you plan on using twinning mirror?
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[Spoiler]I don't get the craw wurm meme, I mean, it's just a vanilla card, is there some deep lore I'm missing out or what[/spoiler]
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>>67208813
next time just highlight the text you want to put behind a spoiler and use Ctrl + S
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>>67208813
Can't even post right, I'm so fucking retarded.
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>>67208830
I have to post from my phone bc my IP is banned.
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>>67208801
The image is a combo for the mirror
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>>67207829
nice, a bit slow for my taste but still good I guess I can try to fit Twinning on my Urza + Master Transmuter deck
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>>67208813
Clover.

Anyways, it's just a prototypical big screeching creature that's bad. You pay a lot of mana for it, it has weak stats and no effect, but it looks pretty cool to uninformed players. It's a reference to below-precon power level.
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>>67208801
it's a combo for infinite target destruction anon and also works a an infinite mana engine
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>>67208813
Use Clover
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>>67207036
The warmth of your furnace layer melts the walls of permafrost I built around my heart.
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>>67208717
Lookin kinda Phyrexian there Sheldor
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>>67209100
Ah my bad, these cedh basement dwellers really make me puff out my glorious biceps in rage. I could understand how that make me looks even more perfect and complete than I already am. Now it's time for me to go back to my harem.
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>build fun, low-power Tymna/Thrasios 1-drops deck
>hated out of every game against randos at LGS because "COMPETITIVE COMMANDERS REEEEEEEEEE"

is this how Zur players feel? :(
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>>67208717
haha epic
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>>67209488
Yup, it's justified in both examples.
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>>67209518
Tymna and Thrasios don't inherently make a deck strong, though. i'm not even running any combos.
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>>67209488
>Today, on things that never happened
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>>67209544
>card draw engine and non-tap ramp/draw colourless activated ability isn't that strong
They're good as fuck brother
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>>67209569
i'm aware, but i'm also not in a craw wurm meta. my deck is probably less powerful than the Rashmi or the Edgar Markov who regularly show up, but there's a stigma attached to my commanders because "UUUUNGH cEDH"
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Anyone built Kykar?
I've got the last 15 cards for mine in the post - it's definitely a 0.75 version of the deck but feel like it'll perform.
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>>67209544
>Teferi doesn't inherently make a deck strong, though. I'm not even running stasis or Chainveil
It's strong as fuck anon. Top tier commanders are there for a reason.
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>you loved X legendary creature / and/or combo and many of your casual kitched table / modern / decks where built arround it
>you start playing EDH because your friends are playing now
>you build your deck arround said creature / combo using one of your casual decks as template
>over time it somehow was discovered as "THAT ONE DECK" on some event and now it's netdecked by tryhards and is now despised by many
>unaware of that you assist at an event
>you are disqualified on game 1 because your deck is "that unfun deck"
whats it's name guys for me it's Arcum Dagsson
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>>67209669
Thrasios is top tier because he's an infinite mana sink in 4 colors. Tymna is along for the ride in a cEDH build just for the colors.

i'm doing basically the opposite, it's a Tymna deck with tons of weenies and Thrasios is there for colors and is also a weenie.
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>the thread is either incels thirsting over big titty Teysa edits or sissys fantasising about being raped by Sheldon Menery
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>>67209630
I'd say in a meta where people are at least okay at Magic good threat assessment is removing them. They're cheap, efficient and insane value engines.
They don't need to work with your deck to be good, but I'd also argue that unless you know what someone is running aggro based on commander choice is good decision making.
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>>67209703
To be clear, your justification is nice and all, but it literally doesn't matter if your group doesn't buy it. Just build solo Tymna if that's what your deck is and you'll have a better time!
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>>67207440
Well, he kills fast with Commander damage. I guess you could slap a Whispersilk Cloak and maybe something to boost his power a little, he doesn't even need thatm uch of a boost ot become a 2-hit kill. Give him Lifelink somehow too. He does well with Lifegain, you basically control the board and creatures live and die at your whimsy if you can gain sufficient life.
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>>67209772
i'm not really looking for advice, just complaining. i'm happy with the way the deck functions, just wish people didn't assume i was a cEDH dickshit and focus me down.
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Probably either pic related, Whispersilk Cloak, or Panharmonicon. I like to put Collar of pimp daddy Purphuros, just shit out a couple goblin tokens and gain 40 life in one turn.
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>>67206827
>What is your favorite artifact card?
Myr multiplicator MAX 3000 with tap Action!
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>>67206827
Beep boop, I am a robot.
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>>67210094
Wait, why does the dog have a Boros insignia on his collar ?
And the floating rocks behind him don't really look like hedrons either. In fact, they look like the floating buildings found on Ravnica.
Have we been lied to all these years ?
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Titty anon from last thread that did that one angel here?

I still thing they should at least attempt to do some glorious chok'lit Orzhov titties...
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>>67210418
Anon, if there’s gonna be any brown tits bumpin and bouncin around, it should be Lyra giving her girls the freedom to fly
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>>67210418
here, but I should be hitting the sack by now and it's back to work again tomorrow. If you're refering to Kaya or seraph - as said, I'll gladly give it another go if schedule and my measly abilities allow it
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So having watch the recent Command Zone Podcast commander summit, what does /tg/ think about some of the proposed rule changes? (This doesn't mean they're being actively considered by the rules comittee, just ideas thrown out there by a few members)

1. starting life being 30 instead of 40

2. Tracking commander damage collectively instead of individually, but increasing the amount needed to eliminate a player

3. First person to assign combat damage becomes the monarch, introducing it to the format as a rule, not just if someone plays a card with monarch rules on it.
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>>67210579
>Tracking commander damage collectively instead of individually, but increasing the amount needed to eliminate a player
so it'd strictly exist as a counter to lifegain decks? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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>>67210579
>1.
Stupid. Who cares? 40 is enough life, get wizards to print more edh burn and aggro if that's the issue.

>2.
I buy that. The rule takes way too many dice. 30 commander damage would be about right for a 4 person game.

>3.
Fuck ya baby, now we're talking. I fucks with that, because you're encouraging interaction, eliminating the "I go first" advantage, and promoting more attacks. That is an excellent suggestion.

I have a suggestion:
>before you draw, you can skip that draw, and your ability to play any card or attack with any creature, to tutor one basic land of any colour tapped to the battlefield. Snowbasics do not count.
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>>67210579
I like starting at 30 instead of 40. Games tend to drag a little toward the end, this would help it a bit, I think. Tracking Commander damage collectively makes for easier bookkeeping, so I can see why they'd do that.
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What are the best Draw Spells in Dimir at 2 cmc?
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>>67210579
>1. starting life being 30 instead of 40
No
>2. Tracking commander damage collectively instead of individually, but increasing the amount needed to eliminate a player
It's EDH, not Table Highlander
>3. First person to assign combat damage becomes the monarch, introducing it to the format as a rule, not just if someone plays a card with monarch rules on it.
Good lord no. Literally the only things people will play would be pillowfort.
Fuck durdlers.
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>>67206827
It's still paradox engine. A literal perpetual motion machine that perpetually casts spells. What's not to like about that?
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>>67210697
Bulk draw or pseudo draw?

You're probably looking for lim-dul's vault, demonic consultation, tainted pact, nights whisper, brainstorm, sign in blood, preordain and some niche shit depending on a few factors. Not including just straight tutors.
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>>67210579
>new IP
Fuck off, shill.
>>67210692
>I fucks with that, because you're encouraging interaction
No sweetie. It only looks that way. What it actually does is increase the chance of player one getting the extra draw, and being able to hold onto it.
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>>67210754
>lim-dul's vault
Perfect. This is actually what I wanted, just blanked.
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>>67210697
You want CMC = 2 or CMC <=2?
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>>67210033
Well, you're playing THE best commanders in the format.
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>>67210775
Specifically 2, but it was >>67210754
>Lim-Dul's Vault that I actually wanted.
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>>67210762
Nah man, you're going to have unlockable creatures and like dryad arbor to sneak in that first attack. Rouges passage goes in every deck. Even competitive lists would shift to be more creature oriented to take advantage of it. Red hastey creatures unironically get a huge power boost. You can't pillow fort hard enough to keep it until later turns, and if you do, you still need a creature to swing, which also makes trample way more valuable
>t. sadistic Stax player
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>>67210579
How long until the community switches to "Classic Commander" and ignores the retarded rules committee's "rules changes" and their NuEDH EDH variant.
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>>67210837
>Rouges passage
Based retard.
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>Rouges passage goes in every deck. Even competitive lists would shift to be more creature oriented to take advantage of it.
this dude can't be serious
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>>67210579
>1. starting life being 30 instead of 40
no, 40 life is a staple of commander and changing it makes no sense outside of cEDH which is a meme anyway

>2. Tracking commander damage collectively instead of individually, but increasing the amount needed to eliminate a player
this is an ok change, makes aggro commanders more viable i guess. not sure if its worth changing a core rule of commander though. it isnt exactly hard to bring 3 extra dice


>3. First person to assign combat damage becomes the monarch, introducing it to the format as a rule, not just if someone plays a card with monarch rules on it.
not a fan of this rule. i used to think it would be a good idea because it would help boros or mono white but in reality it would just make shit like edric even better
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>>67210912
I deserve that.

>>67210986
You're underestimating how strong monarch is. Tons of decks run shitty etbs for competitive strats, suddenly being able to steal monarch with one is a huge advantage.
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>you get the monarch
>I cast notion thief
gg ez

There are some stupid motherfuckers ITT.
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>>67210692
>>67210722
I'll adress both of you guys at the same time if that's alright with you guys.

>30 life
It reduces life as a resource, as well as shortening games. It's not a big change, but it would also help aggro decks whereas right now control and combo decks dominate the meta and aggro is considered UP.

>combining commander damage
I personally like this just from a bookkeeping standpoint. Tracking commander damage is a fucking nightmare right now, especially when you consider if someone is using partner commanders, or a blue player steals someone else's commander. It would also open up a little more in the way of politics, but is a welcome buff to voltron decks imo.

>monarch
durdler decks *are* the meta right now. this forces you to interact with eachother, and would be a welcome helping hand to aggro, once again.

(also, i hope you consider them one at a time, and not all at once)
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Why the fuck are the tymna and ravos so fucking much? and why did i buy that precon?
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>>67207792
Sunder, Mana Vortex, Mana Breach

Coral Atol + Amulet of Vigor
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>>67210579
Starting life must be 30 for white people only. That's the only way to make the game fair and balanced so we can have a more diverse and fun playerbase!
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>>67211085
*Coral Atoll
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>>67210851
You haven't? Magic is in the hands of child molesters and people who feel joy from cutting their dick off. There's no sticking with this sinking ship. it can only get worse from here on out. I can't imagine the insane bullshit we're going to be getting for the next year or so until wizards goes bankrupt.
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>>67210579
>Tracking commander damage collectively instead of individually, but increasing the amount needed to eliminate a player
This seems very fiddly and is too dependant on playgroup. if the new number is too big then it will completely kill solo Voltron players in their playgroups. If it's too small then shit turns into sudden death with too many of them.
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>>67211070
>this forces you to interact with eachother
>>67211064

I don't want you to address me any further until you get out from silly craw wurm meta where you even dare to run so little removal that combo is even a problem for you.

>control dominates a 4 player game
git gud, only Kami has infinite counterspells
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>>67211064
Not only is it in dimir, creatures are the easiet thing to remove in all of MTG
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>>67211129
>it will completely kill solo Voltron players
Based.
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>>67211140
And Esper, and sans-green and sans white, and sans-red, and 5c.

Kill self asap.
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>>67211139
When did I say combo was a problem for me? I said it along with control is the current meta.
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>>67211188
When you thought that this would do anything but help those archetypes.
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>>67211171
Are... Are you seriously mentioning that? Like no shit. Dimir is the *minimum* color requirement for your deck. Thought that went without saying, but I guess not.
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Would appreciate some input.

Urza/Patron of the Moon hiding behind Sai, Master Thopterist.

I can sit on it for now and come back to it with a fresh mind, but I gotta make those cuts eventually.
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>>67208717
Those aren’t muscles, are they? I hadn’t realized his tumors were that bad.
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>>67211251
shit.

forgot http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/catch-the-rainbow-2
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>>67211249
>Dimir is the *minimum*
Wow what a terrible thing, never seen a combo or a control deck running those.
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Hello, Gamers. I have a question.

If I have a creature with lifelink and [[Sunbond]] attached to it, would casting [[Arcbond]] upon it taking lethal damage save it from death by getting the counters from Sunbond?
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>>67207191
How you gonna get any of those cards into play when Chimera bro is blocking the way. Quite a perplexing situation.
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>>67207383
SCG has them up for like 50 cents. Over 200 of them.
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>>67210579
The first one just seems like something private tables should decide. I prefer 40, but like to switch to 30 sometimes for shorter games. The standard should remain 40.

The second is pretty bad. Would make things needlessly complicated. It takes away the purpose of commander damage, which is to provide a win condition you have to strive for, to give aggro decks legs in the format. Communitizing it makes is far less of a challenge, and makes politics horrible.

The last one is great.
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>>67211070
>Tracking commander damage is a fucking nightmare right now
No it isn't.
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>>67207440
Isnt he just a worse yawgmoth?
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>>67211298
>[[card name]]
Go back.
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>>67211298
It would die because Sunbond is a trigger. While that trigger is on the stack, the creature would die from taking lethal damage.
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Ok so, all the Paradox Engine came with a large grunt from Sheldor complaining of getting cucked by dragged out combos in SCGCon. For me when playing cEDH Paradox was fine and fun. When playing casually I never got to see any Paradox being played. I know Sheldor doesn't play with cEDH players so I guess it was a casual build using it. How do you guys used or saw Paradox Engine used to end up pissing off Sheldor and ban it?
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>>67210579
>Make commander damage into basically poison counters
>Give the person with the fastest start and advantage to deliver first blood the Monarch.
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>>67207462
Corpse Knight might be up your alley
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>>67211210
I never said whether or not I agree with any of those points. I just asked what you guys thought about them. If you think that even discussing the potential ramifications of these necessitates support for them, then you need to socialize with people more so you stop jumping to so many conclusions.

Allow me to give you my personal opiions on them so you can stop making assumptions.

1. I can take or leave 30 life. Don;t really care one way or the other. Personally, not a bad change. I think burn decks and aggro decks benefit, but I think they'll still fall short of control/combo.

2. As someone else said, collective commander damage is finicky and would require very specific adjustment, but it almost never matters as it is now, so I'm open to change, I guess. Plus bookkeeping on seperate damage is annoying atm.

3. i like monarch, but I think i'd prefer just introducing more monarch cards.
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>>67207872
You suck megacock Sheldon. Thanks for ruining the format. Primeval titan did nothing wrong.
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Iona did nothing wrong.
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>>67211070
>Tracking commander damage is a fucking nightmare right now, especially when you consider if someone is using partner commanders, or a blue player steals someone else's commander.
>I share a hobby with this kind of retards
anon just use a fucking 20d or some spare dices it's not that hard, also please tell me you can't memorize 2 ~ 8 sets two digit numbers
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>>67211371
I really want a promo Corpse Knight, but the only ones for sale are like $20
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I love angels!
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>>67207827
post pics
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>>67211386
I told you they're garbage, and I think I told you to fuck off.

Only your third opinion is fine. the rest need more reflection.
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I love angles!
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>>67207947
Does everyone else get locked out with epic too?
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>>67208051
Can you be trans and a thot?
Seems like you lose the appeal.
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>yeah I copied a decklist I found online, pretty sweet right?
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>>67211405
They're $20 because they're not even supposed to be out in the wild yet. The only people who are selling are shady LGSes who cracked their promo packs and are selling the contents piecemeal.
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>>67211353
I was planning on taking it out of my deck that runs it, anyways, actually. I think the banning comes from "creates and unfun play environment", and honestly, when it went off, it went OFF in my deck. But that led to some really long turns where my group would have to wait too long for me to finish my turn for me to be comfortable with. I think it got banned just because it ended up with people just itting around waiting forever for one guy to sinally finish drawing and playing half his deck one card at time.

>>67211360
If you don't like the idea, cool, but mind explaining why?
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I love Teysa!
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>>67211484
I do mind. If you're too stupid to figure out why it's a bad idea, no amount of convincing is going to help you figure it out.
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>>67211428
I don't really care if you told me to fuck off. Try and stop me from posting, faggot.

Now, why would they need more reflection?
You've contributed literally nothing.
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>>67211538
>I can't explain my opinions because I can't think for myself

cool.
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@67211545
We're done here. No more for (You).
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>>67211516
me too! Last thread was a pretty based one
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>>67211560
>get BTFO by anon
>w-were done here
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>>67209488
>1-drops deck
>the commander isn't a 1-drop
Apply
Yourself
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>>67206827
>TQ
I put this in any 2+ color deck. The mana-fixing is nice, but unlike Journeyer's Kite, it has uses in the late-game.
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Just here to post that it annoys me to no end that so many red cards have been errata'd from target creature or player to any target.
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>>67210579
>point number 3 combined with point number 1
wow what order do they lose the game in first?The collective 30 commander damage or the 30 damage?
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>>67211470
There's nothing inherently wrong with that. It all depends on the reason why. Just copying someone else's decklist because you're bad at deckbuilding and not because you think that particular deck will give you a huge edge isn't really any different from buying a precon.
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>>67211353
It slowed down games too much, especially when it come down to combos. Considering that they didn't focus on cEDH but just regular EDH when deciding on the ban, I can see why the would want to ban it from casual environments, must be a fucking nightmare to have to sit there and watch someone that barely knows how to play the game fiddle around for 30 minutes trying to combo off with it.
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>>67211747
>2 things happen simultaneously that cause you to lose. Which happens first?
Does it matter? Throw them on the stack in whatever order you want, I guess. You also fail to take life gain or non-commander damage into account in that scenario.
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>>67211455
yes, it's absolutely EPIC
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>>67211819
You dont know what a largely aggro meta looks like then anon. Collective commander damage means the weaker aggro decks will just team up and just try to use eachother to win. Ive seen turns where multiple players were doing 18+ damage on t4 with their commander, ignoring the damage their other creatures are doing. Fuck they would have to ban duelists heritage because I can just give the prossh or skullbriar player's commander doublestrike in exchange for teamups.
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>>67210781
not even true

competitive decks are singleton vintage combo lists, the commanders are just there for colors and mana sinks. General Tazri is top tier competitive, but that doesn't mean she's at all powerful outside of the combo deck.
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What's a funny commander that can cheese people hard and can be done on a relatively small budget?
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>>67212038
Just fun. Not funny.
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>>67210579
>First person to assign combat damage becomes the monarch, introducing it to the format as a rule, not just if someone plays a card with monarch rules on it.

>play Rhys turn 1
>swing into anyone and sit behind exponentially growing army of tokens with consistent free card advantage
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>>67206827
>TQ
Etched Champion

Speaking of artifacts I’m building a 5c equipment list. Budget is around 200. How would you spend the money on the deck?
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>>67212109
buy a sliver queen :^)
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>>67211956
>Players team up and use each other to win
What... Like... In a game of commander? You mean like what literally already happens in virtually every game, just not usually with aggro?

(Also, bans usually don't happen when things are strong, just when they create "feel bads" in casual playgroups. Like why iona was banned)

>>67211991
That's literally part of why it was suggested. Combo decks and control decks take a bit of a hit because a rule like this would increase the effectiveness of voltron and aggro decks, which are largely considered subpar in the commander format.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, so I apologize if it comes off that way, but it sounds like most of your issue with the rules is something along the lines of "but I don't have enough creatures to stop that in my deck". Which is kind of the point. It makes the combat step more important.
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>>67212140
I don’t think slivers need equipment, Anon.
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>>67212056
There are ways to make creatures unblockable, as well as cards that just give you the monarch when you play them.
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>>67212223
sure, but an early head start is incredibly meaningful when you're a deck that scales really hard. besides, unblockable creatures aren't too common outside of Beckett Brass meme decks and tribal ninjas, neither of which shows up all too often.
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>>67212109
https://edhrec.com/themes/equipment

why go 5 colors? you can go jeskai and it'll be essentially the same build.
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>>67211321
I'll just have to buy for scg then I guess just made me hmmm when I saw they were gone.
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>>67212259
Now see that's a fair, reasoned, calm argument and I appreciate that.

Now IMO, creatures with evasion such as flying, menace, intimidate, unblockable, etc. would become more relevant. There are tons of them, but they're not worth running if that's all they do with things currently as they are. However, if Monarch was a staple mechanic in the format, creatures like this would be more relevant (as would trample), as well as artifacts that give other creatures similar evasion. It would also benefit decks like the Odric that lets you decide blockers.
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>>67212349
i literally just built a deck running 22 1-drop creatures with evasion. if this rule was implemented i'd be hella down for it.
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>>67212383
>Of course I play UG, how could you tell?
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>>67212612
esper, actually.
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>>67212645
Interesting. Expound.
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https://forms.gle/aSA7hjo5G1HCK1V87

Some pretty interesting data coming out. For the Influence question, 1 is "i don't think my opinion matters to the RC at all"

If they ignore these data then the community is right about the RC.
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>>67212652
it's tymna+silas with a subtheme of thopters. you poke at people and draw cards until you hit one of the big finishers or get enough anthems in play that you can feasibly threaten lethal with just your dorks.
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>>67212673
>Triumph of the Horde should be banned

That's a fucking lmao from me bro
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>>67209488
I feel you dawg
I play Grand Arbiter, advisor tribal
It was a fun tribal neverwin
I got hated anyway
Fuck you, heres the goodstuff
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>>67212269
Plot twist, it's Jodah equipment for some reason I'm not sure of.

>4/3, flying for 4.
Ehh.
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>>67212269
I like to build color combos I don't already have and currently am sporting a Jeskai deck.
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>>67212673
>those top 10 want to be banned
would be okay with any of those getting the axe

>all those seething investors voting for engine
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>>67209488
Yes. I run Zur Slide and everyone gangbangs the fuck out of me. Afterwards I whip out Tatyova and stomp the table on t5.
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>EDHrec King Suleiman
>sitting down tribal

nice
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>>67212821
>FTV: Thrones
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>>67212821
Objectively the most /comfy/ deck.
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>>67211643
What's the best 1 drop commander?

Does Mikey boi violate the spirit of a 1-drop deck due to being an X creature?
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>>67212965
Isamaru
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So how worthwhile is Risen Reef in Maelstrom Wanderer? At the very worst it's a Coiling Oracle for 1 more, but my deck already runs a handful of other creatures that are incidentally Elementals (including Wanderer itself). Hell, cascading into it with Wanderer is pretty good too since you'd get 2 (or even possibly 3) triggers.
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>so much salt in the latest game knights just because the cute girl got mana screwed and a chink mana drained her signet.
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>>67206870
trinisphere is a nonbo in lavinia, so i get sad about that.
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Hello enchantress fags! You can thank me later.
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Does mono-blue need Spine of Ish Sah?

Is it a crutch for like, red or black?
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>>67206870
Not very good in edh. Great in legacy tho. I've been brewin Mono White Gorlos Depths lately and Sphere is a key piece there.
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>>67211558
Not him, but he's correct it's objectively wrong to try to explain to people who just don't understand.
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>>67213368
Nah, you've got answers. Imprisoned in the Moon, Boomerangs, ect.
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>>67210579
2 is the only rule change I would even consider, the others would completely destroy the format.
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>>67213382
Heh, sounds like my kind of party
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So the play group I'm part of has just agreed that we are no long going to be using Sol Ring or Mana Crypt. I'd originally posted this but as Mana Vault but that was just me fucking up

Anyone interested in some follow up on how it goes?
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>>67212349
You're advocating changing deck building in order to win or to stop your opponent from winning/having fun (which is more important than actually winning).
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>>67213427
Only if you're running high power level decks that can go off crazy fast. Mid to weak decks without SR and MC are just eh whatever, but otherwise yes details please.
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>>67213416
>>67213427

Fucking retard
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>>67213308
>Watching faggy ecelebs
ISHYGDDT
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>>67212965
White mike is a 1 drop. Spergs wouldnt fag out about him if he just had multikicker X.
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>>67212809
>stop liking cards i don't like
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>>67213395
I did mean in the context of an artifact deck, but yes, I got ya.

Working on cuts.
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>>67213348
Hi
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>>67213427
i already don't play sol ring or mana crypt

but that's just because my deck is fast and mana intensive and they'd actually be bad in it
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>>67213464
I'm not advocating anything. I've already said that IMHO, the best thing to do isn't change the rules to make monarch default, but print more cards utilizing the mechanic. That way it's more accessible for playgroups that like it, but if your playgroup doesn't, then you can leave it out.

I'm just discussing possible ramifications of a particular change to the rules.
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Also, friendly reminder that the ban list is just a suggestion (it even says so in the official rules)
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>>67213781
It's not when events play by that liat
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>>67213781
...that most people agree to because it is human nature to pivot around a central authority.
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>>67213348
>green
Useless for my enchantress deck
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>>67213660
That's a Sorcery though? That won't break his lock, it'd have to be an instant. That way when he doesn't pay the upkeep cost, loses the Ritual of Subdual, and puts it back on top of his library you can float two white mana and cast your exile spell on his turn after it resolves. If it's just a Sorcery, you'd have to play it on your turn. you know, when all your lands only make colorless. You'd need a white mana rock to do this, which you might not have. Use Forsake the Worldly to break this lock.
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>>67210579
>monarch
fuck gay uninteractable bullshit, monarch was a mistake as was every card with it printed on it
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>>67214167
absolute truth
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>>67213851
I mean I guess if you go to events for commander? It's the most kitchen table format there is, but to each their own.

>>67213886
If you have a stable playgroup, you can always just talk to them to determine what cards from the banlist are or aren't okay in your group.
(Just for example, my group is "anything but Vorinclex". We just agree to keep it around a stable power level.)
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>>67214167
i mean, that's the idea. it's very interactable if you're playing a creature deck, but not so much if you're playing straight combo. they're basically trying to encourage players to hit each other more instead of sitting around durdling until someone draws their combo.
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>>67214167
>Someone likes something I don't like RRREEEEEEEEE
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>>67214167
>uninteractable
Just deal damage or kill them during your turn bro, it's not that hard.
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>>67213781
Instead of it being a suggestion, the RC should have an explicit differentiation for all the mouthbreathers, between Public and Playgroup.
The banlist is for public play.

I hate seeing all this discussion of a "social contract", when like, have you fuckers ever been stuck playing at an LCS? You take whoever comes to the table or you don't play. People already can comprehend different cards being accepted between different playgroups, how would a public banlist be any different than playing with a new playgroup that doesn't like what your old playgroup did?

Also, what's rich in that dumb commander's quarters video: a playgroup deciding that certain cards or archetypes being unfun in the group IS telling people how to play the game. If he wants to be some free speech warrior about commander, no more social contract. If you're being absolutist about NEVER dictating how to play the game, then yeah sit down to hours of the same stax asshole until he finally bores of it, agreeing to disinvite him is oppressing his right to enjoy playing solitaire.
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>TQ
Trading Post. My most wanted a commander is Mardu Commander that just has trading post as it's text back, probably modified with a hybrid mana to activate the abilities.
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>>67214167
>monarch
>uninteractable
In what fucking world
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sup
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>>67214428
sup beautiful qt slut.
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is this the best commander for a token-heavy deck?
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>>67214485
is this a bait post?
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>>67214485
Nail on the head, anon.
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>>67214485
(you)
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>>67214301
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>>67214485
No
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>>67214485
what about iroas could possibly make you think that, anon?
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>>67214566
"Interacting with combat at all" isn't Craw Wurm you mong
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>>67214485
>>67214501
>>67214553
>>67214545
>>67214568
Wasn't baiting, meant to post this guy
Got my Gods screwed up
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>>67214638
better, but still no
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>>67214638
I love Purph. Still vaguely salty that Heliod made Kruphix lobotomize him.
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>>67214638
purph is less of a token deck and more of a combo deck. that said, he fits nicely in the 99 of any token deck with red in it.
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who should I build next?
>Yarok
>Xenagod
>Sen Triplets
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>>67214638
Hes better in a token deck than at the helm of one. He does work in edgar markov because that stupid firebreathing ability is overpowered and overlooked.
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reminder that I told u fags commander 2019 spoilers/content starts tomorrow
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>>67214638
>this with krenko
Pretty disgusting.
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>>67214772
Triplets or Yarok, altho everyone will be building Yarok pretty soon I feel. My whole group is excited for him so there might be a few that show up at our table, and I'm expecting stores to be similar.
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>>67214485
i'll never forget the time i one-shot somebody on turn 5 with my iroas deck. meta was pretty craw wurm, but it was still hilarious

>t2 mana rock
>t3 iroas
>t4 nothing, pass
>end step dictate of the twin gods
>t5 aurelia, swing 40
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>>67214826
But will it be the commanders?
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>>67214872
probably box art or colors
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>>67214913
>all 4 decks are monowhite
:^)
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>>67214921
Based
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>>67206959
it's really neat with Slimefoot
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Any cards I should pick up before Commander spoiler season? I'm willing to listen to anyone's predictions
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>>67213348
I'm confused because my brain is very smooth. What exactly does this do
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>>67215038
Gonti's Aether Heart
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>>67215038
With more bans on the way it's risky af to buy anything right now.
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>>67215038
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>>67215055
you don't pay the upkeep and the land keeps giving you the card back.
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>>67215038
Vedalken Orrery, etc.

you know, the usual suspects
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>>67215038
You should pick up some Paradox Engines before it spikes again.
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>>67210579
These all sound gay as fuck and like they’re trying to push commander away from being a jank format
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any suggestions for a Zurgo, the helmsmasher deck?
mild voltron build, but I'm really interested in cards that encourage my opponents to hit each other, like Xancha, rite of the raging storm, or pic related.
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>>67215185
he's indestructible on your turn

put in as many wraths as you can fit in there
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>>67213348
>Laughs in mono-brown
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>>67215168
>pushing commander away from being a jank format
Welcome to the past 6 years anon
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>>67214921
That doesn't make sense. Gix isn't mono white.
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How do I make Bant Superfriends work? I kind of just sputter around and get kicked by other players.
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>>67215417
Never ever
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>>67215444
>I kind of just sputter around and get kicked by other players.
Drop the blue and then you'll be doing things right.
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>>67215468
People said that about Yawgmoth and Urza too.
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>>67215494
The difference is that most people at least knew who they were.
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A card of Ashnod when?
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>>67215468
>>67215543
Xantcha and Tawnos made it into commander precons. Face it, the secondary characters of the Brother's War are relegated to commander decks.
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https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/09-07-19-sliver-cascade/?cb=1562902908

Slivers Cascade Improved. Taking TGH's suggesting from last time. If anyone could take another look I'd appreciate it.

>Suggest a cut, suggest an add, svp.
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>>67215558
Mishra is a secondary character of his own story.
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>>67215519
Gix's name has been on about a dozen cards including two from Dominaria. More than Tawnos had. It's not unthinkable.
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>>67215519
Last set had Xantcha.
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WotC Needs to Repint _____________
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>>67215692
The fetches. Either that or ban them in modern
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>>67215692
Black Lotus
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>>67214553
>stupid anime reaction pic
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>>67212673
Cyclonic rift nowhere to be found. Or Sol ring.
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>>67215692
the reserved list.
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>>67215692
Cabbals coffers.
We have various Urborgs, is time for some coffers.
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>>67206827
>TQ
Rocket Launcher
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>>67215775
Because they shouldnt be banned.
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>>67215775
Rift isn't so good it needs to be banned. It would be totally fine as the strongest option for blue sweepers if there were others that even approached its powerlevel.
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Tfw sperg out everytime I try to buy magic singles at my lgs
Card Kingdom saves me time and effort, but above all it saves me embarrassment
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Which are your favorite/best reanimator cards?
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>>67216105
Sheoldred.
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Has anyone ever ult'd a Liliana, the Last Pope?
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>>67216105
Spells that reanimate or reanimation targets?
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>>67216194
No, but Ive ultimated dackfayden, ajani steadfast, jace unraveler of secrets, saheeli 1 and 2, elspeth suns champion(dont do this) and both nahiri's.
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>>67216249
>elspeth suns champion
I've done this too. It's nice.

I've gotten "make 40 vampires" Sorin off too. Was dece.
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>>67216201
Spells that return shit from gy, like reanimate, animate dead, etc.
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>>67215692
A lot of various different lands. Lands shouldn't comprise over 50% of the cost of any deck.
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>>67216260
Damn, sorin grim nemesis ult is rare. In reference to my warning I had 12ish soldiers she shat out that didnt die yet so it devastated the board and made it since then that people just kill my elspeth when previously they just worried about the wipe.
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someone make a new thread plz
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>>67208090
I feel you man I love that card
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>>67214753
honestly, i don't run him in my token deck because it would cause too much salt, and i'd never be able to play it again.
i still run impact tremors, though.
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>>67208717
and then hopefully die of cancer so we can have fun in our format again
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>>67215692

Cabal Coffers
Cavern of Souls
Oracle of Mul Daya
Teferi's Protection
Azusa
Yavimaya Hollow
Sterling Grove
Enlightened Tutor
Idyllic Tutor
Worldly Tutor
Doubling Season
Parallel Lives
Rhystic Study

ban fetch lands
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>>67211516
Why is there so much Teysa smut?
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Here's ur thread bro
>>67216777
>>67216777
>>67216777
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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2083663#paper

So this is my Goblin Krenko deck. It uses tinstreet kingpin Krenko as a second commander sorta, where most of my cards dont help him out directly, moreso they help my main commander. Some cards have +1/+1 yes, but not a heap.

Also, a blue/red player today got mad at me for not having spot removal for a black enchantment as mono red AND for having 1 of my 2 blue spot removals in my hand, so idk if I want them even tho I think they're neato burrito
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>>67216774
Powerful big tiddy goth chick who was prostituted out for political favors whos also a cripple. Shes literally a bunch of fetishes rolled up into a somewhat respectable character. Try googling kemba or avacyn with safe search off if you really want to see some shit.
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So some redditfag and forum RC cocksucker took my idea of a poll and ran with it.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScZnAg8mREevc6w73zeyzdi0popSqfI3wfn6Mi2eLZRrk881A/viewanalytics
Even just being answered by redditfags it looks like the results are mostly the same.
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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdX0uIrE1G_Pk5LlMfIaN8_ydC-i2QGwsAg6GYGRE-X4Y4m_Q/viewform?usp=sf_link
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>>67217352
>>67217471
>trying to dox /edhg/ posters
fag
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>>67212673
Braids really should be unbanned imo.



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