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>>66726826>mfw I just started with WH playing Orks
>>66726786Please tell us why you think these look good as female faces. And try to refrain from improvement over old faces. That is not something impressive.
>>66726826Why are false flags allowed. I bet this is the same guy who shits on Iron Warriorfags
Reminder to bully all trannies into an early dilation suicide
>>66726857>false flagWhat's wrong with that image?
>>66726857>still thinking it's a false flagger and not an autistic grot
Oh no, here comes the shitstorm.>>66726775It shouldn't be too hard. If we have customizable heads out of the box, it won't be hard to slap on a wargamesexclusive head or something, and if for some shit reason the head is stuck on the body in one piece, that's nothing a pair of plastic snips can't fix. I'm sure within a few months of release we'll get conversion heads.
>>66726892>it's okay because you can fix it with modsFuck off, Todd
>>66726892I'd argue the WE heads are worse
>>66726824They have many masculine feature outside "muh sharp jaw"The eyebrows are way too low for females.Their entire face is covered in creaces. The sharpness of details causes harsh faces and more masculine faces.It's objectively bad (female) sculpts.They're good for male sculpts, and feel like something designed by someone that only knows male faces.
Is he worth it?
>>66726937Except the gsc sculpts actually have those features and work very well.
>>66726921Not saying it was, just saying that not all is lost.>>66726930I like their Kastelan heads but yeah I just put a shop I knew of out there. I'm sure someone will manage to make a head that doesn't look like shit.
Hi guys, so how is the contrast paint range? Does it work with other primer brand? Been a while since the last time I browse /40kg/ so I'm kind of a out of loop here.
>>66726982You absolutely need to prime white I'm told but apparently it works ok with Corax. It's alright for a rush job.
>>66726957Damn that art is awfulHe is literally just standing on airEverything is well rendered but so lifeless and stiff
>>66726982>Contrast has only been tested at GW stores>It's not out yet>G-guys does it work with my off-brand wallmart spray?Who the fuck knows
>>66726982Here's all you need to know. It's transparent and works best with bright under coats. The "spefial" paint has an additive that makes it harder to bond to with contrast. Thus it makes it immediately lighter on white edges.No you don't need the special primer, it's just useful for the edge highlight effect.Buuuuuuut make sure you have the primer as a base color you can brush on. You need to cleanup with the lower color and reapply contrast. Imo a huge problem people need to consider.
>>66726982They haven't been out for long enough to know for sure but seem to work better if your army has large ammounts of exposed flesh, and cloth
>>66727009>he says that when we already have test results with every type of undercoat
>>66726982>Hi guys, so how is the contrast paint range? seems well enough, but dont rush to throw away your non-contrast paints>Does it work with other primer brand? I dont see any reason why it wouldnt, but you are still going to want to you a 'light' primer (whites and greys) if you want to make contrast noticeable. It doesnt seem to have much of an effect if you use black as a primer.>Been a while since the last time I browse /40kg/ so I'm kind of a out of loop here.contrast only just went up for pre-orders, only youtubers and such have access to then right now. But overall people seem to like them. if anything it just another tool in the toolkit.
>>66727034I said, knowing that those were fucking GW primers and not "other brands"
The dreadknight is the best looking model GW has ever done and anyone who disagrees is a virgin weaboo mechafag ruining the hobby
>>66727051It doesn't matter. Corax white is a basic primer.
>>66727058I didn't realize Mat Ward posted on /40kg/
>>66727073Corax is worse than basic primerI would assume it works on every different type of primer but there's no way of saying it with full accuracy since it's never been done (yet).
>>66727034honestly I feel that GW is pushing these shitty colors waaaaay too hard. I mean I accept that warhammer community is basically a blog that features ads, but it gets out of hand. Almost every day has posts like "WhY tHiS CoLoR iS ThE BeSt"I bet it's just cheap as shit to produce and sells for a higher price than the normal paints.
What is most fun in 40k?
>>66727058they missed a great opportunity in not giving it a giant shiny dick
Unholy Fortitude 6+++ won't stack with Feel No Pain from Slaneesh psyker?
>>66727114Whatever makes you happiest, anon. Live the dream.
>>66727058But how are it's rules?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!
>>66726826Imagine playing Orks and not kitbashing to make up for lack of models
>>66727099Based off what miniwarpainting it sounds like they said it works fine.
>>66727135My dream is an all summoning army.
>>66727100Well yes but it's a very nice product for newbies. They might be gouging them, but the results and ease of use is a nice niche to cover.
>>66727114Vaporizing your opponent's dreams with dark lances
didn't realize new thread was up, reposting:what size bases are bloodletters supposed to be on?the 10x bloodletter box says 32mm, but im not sure If the start collecting also comes with 32mm.i had an issue with plaguebearers where the base size differed between boxes (the start collecting has them on bigger bases).asking cause im going to buy a start collecting khorne and a 10x bloodletter box, id want to add 10 of the correct size bases to my order for consistency. thanks!
>>66727162Could work now that master of possession is a thing... But ill advised.
>>66727169Mine are 25mm just checked, but those look wider than the ones on my bloodletters.They might be referring to some other mini in the set.
>>66727169Put them on the bases provided.If different sets of bases are provided take whichever you want.If people give you shit just point towards the box they came in and tell them to dilate with a cactus
Yooooooooo astartes 4 soon
>>66727163really? I think the results of using the colors look like you dipped them into a wash.All GW is saying is "it totally doesn't look like dipped into wash". The amount of people regurgitating this nonsense is disturbing.Whats more, the barely passable examples I've seen are literally created by the best figure painters in the world.Also it doesn't teach a beginner any useful painting skills besides how to slather big amounts of paint onto a model.It's a snake oil deal marketed to beginners.
Is he over costed?
>>66727169GW has random base sizesMost thing came in 25mm, but later the same fucking model came in 32mmSo older kits that didn’t sell still have the smaller bases or shit like heavy weapon teams have both old and new bases
>>66727224>it looks like a simplified version of something everyone doesYep. That's the point. It might look like it's dipped in washes, but that's the first step of the painting.
>>66727224S-shut up daddy GW said these paints are revolutionary
WHERE IS WAVE 2, GW?
>>66727245They'll be revolutionary when other companies do the same thing for less.
>>66727224Contrast is a new "base" that lets you skip the wash stage.Details and highlights will still be required to do manually
>>66727245Introducing everyone to zenthal over base and wash is revolutionary.
>>66727248Why does he have a crux terminatus
>>66727242>first stepIt is literally marketed as the next big shit, with copious amounts of shitty looking, barely passable miniatures while spouting the lie it totally compares to traditionally painted models. If it were a wash, they'd say so. But it is marketed as a complete painting system.>implying following steps make it look any betterpolishing a turd makes it still look like shit
>>66727268Because it's a terminator. It's got 2 wounds.Also looks kinda nice.
>>66727100I think the community team is just contractually obligated to post something every day but there's no new miniature releases so they just do whatever
>>66727268He's a veteran.
>>66727276I see you seem to already have a dead set opinion.
>>66727224>tfw everyone at my store gobbled up the hypekinda sad desu
>>66727268rule of cool
>>66726957I hear he's decent
>>66727268Crux used to be something given to those who earned it, not just a terminator armor add on.
>>66727257except it doesn't. Not even close. Have you actually seen the shitty pictures? To even think those paints could replace a flat base paint + proper wash is literally the mentioned regurgitated statements GW is shitting into your ear.Crazy how well "community management" works.
>>66727093>>66727136>>66727254>t. Virgin weaboo mechafags ruining the hobbyGo outside more, you've clearly never seen a REAL giant robot
Contrast paints are just the next step in the scheme to flood the hobby with sjws, feminists ect. What was already taking shape with all the new stronk womyn minis will be further solidified with paints so easy to use a mongoloid could do it.Painting has always been the hardest part of the hobby, the biggest pleb filter stopping the screeching hordes descending upon us (even though loads of fags just play grey tide). Within a few months expect all of Duncan's videos to be made with contrast paints in mind. Within a year expect GW to stop selling regular paints. A year after that? Using actual model paints will be considered problematic. "Why are you so obsessed with having better looking miniatures than Shaniqua you bigot?". Eventually painted minis will be banned from GW stores in the same fashion as using 3rd party miniatures.Don't cry, it's the future you chose. You chose it every time you laughed at unpainted minis, or screamed about two thin coats.
>>66727114Creating <your dudes>.
>>66727312Damn he's got a point.
>>66727318Based and Vivianpilled
>>66726826Oh man they made new cultists? Sweet.
>>66726851They're not meant to be cover models. They're tough, grizzled, probably steroid pumped, amazonian warriors.
>>66726851>he has never seen a woman without makeup, or a woman in the military for that matter.they aren't pretty anon.
>>66727114Rolling a 6 for shots on your Exorcist, all hits, 4 wounds and rolling two 4s, a 5 and a 6 for damage.
>>66727318>If I post it every thread someone will eventually believe me
>>66727368>>66727381>>66727382Did the old thread die or something?
>>66727291I'm just stating that they're pushing the product harder than anything I've seen yet on their ad-blog, which might be that it's cheaper to produce and more expensive in retail.>deadset opinionwell I have a pair of eyes and none of the presented models look good.
>>66727368Amazons are MtF anon. Someone mislead you.
>>66727412Well I think you need to understand.Contrast means more finished minis.More finished minis means sales.This is their motives. It's not awful, just what's going on.
>>66727381>they aren't pretty anon.Why make models of them then?
>>66727228Terminator players don't play to win anon. Terminator players are a special breed of player. Terminator players are the players who got introduced to 40k through Space Hulk and live their lives trying to recapture their glory days.Terminator players live to die in glorious last stands against overwhelming enemy foes.Terminator players are the stars of their own direct to dvd action movies about an elite group of warriors who get in way over their heads, starring B list action stars, body builders, and pro wrestlers.Terminator players are a breed apart from Space Marine kiddies.Except for GK fags. Fuck those guys.
>>66726851I'm not even this guy but the "not cover models" argument is fine. But this is genetic defect levels of inhuman. Average is fine. Grizzled is fine. Alabama spawn is not.
>>66727285if you think there's no plan what product to push and how hard to push it you're dead wrong. It's literally a full website of "blog" posts dedicated to a single company shilling their own product. Still people keep treating it as "breaking news"
>>66727114stripping paint off of vehicles because your freehand skills will never be as good as an airbrush
People seem to think if something is pretty it's objectively bad. But they don't seem to understand it's perfectly normal to find women attractive. That's just a natural byproduct when you see women that don't repulse you. Don't hate your penis.
>>66727169They initially were released on 25mm but they are 32mm now.
>>66727114Grasping thunder in ones hand.
>>66726982From what I gathered the primer is semi glossy. That would help with paint dispersion significantly and get the wash effect. As an example you can compare washing a model with and without gloss varnish. No idea if varnishing a model with semi gloss directly over the primer would ruin the details. Might want to test that on a model if you want to use other primer.
>>66727445Why is the only arguement a straw man?No one wants cover girls or anime girls.
Is there a site that catalogs all the OOP models by GW or forgeworld?
>>66727468but women do repulse me anon, i'm gay.
Contrast is just a glorified ink.Try out some inks sometime. They're pretty good.
>>66727114having sex at the lgs
Are carnifex fun?
>>66727490Men don't repulse me, so I don't think that's true.
>>66727488I wish, I still come across pictures from the early 2000's forgeworld that I've never seen before.
>>66727009Youtube is full of videos with people using the paints in their own studios you literal fucking mong
>>66727264Zenthal? What is this new meme
>>66727198>>66727211>>66727233>>66727469thanks! how does this list look for casual play? would it be fun to play against?
literal whos getting tactics n shiet and sharks aren't.now im mad
>>66727437Here we see the cavedweller's brain short circuiting, incapable of forming a solution
>>66727444>Be me >Be in a computer programming class>Teacher is a massive nerd into WoW and Pathfinder>Always try to get him into 40k but he doesn't really like wargames>fast forward to the final project>I recreate citidel combat cards as a program >He helped me make it but gave me code I didn't know how to use>Worked my ass off on it genuinely >Game never worked>It's 3 days before it's due>I'm hanging out in his classroom during lunch >I'm playing space hulk on the internet archive >He looks over and gets excited>Apparently he used to love space hulk when he was younger>We bond over that after I explain it takes place in 40k>It's the due day my project still doesn't work>He gave me a 95%>He says I worked more than hard enough to get an AIf your reading this Mr.Dixon you're the best
>>66727488there are some collector sites out there that have catalogued some of the OOP kits, but I cant recall what sites (I have come across them looking for things like Rocket sentinels and special special unit releases).
>>66727546and just found out it was out for months
>>66727551I have the solution: make good looking models.
>>66727552He has a job and probably isn't an autistic incel, Anon, he's not here
>>66727564you only got access to the chapter tactic if you bought the collectors edition of a BL book. a book that wouldnt get general release until much later.
>>66727541This isn't age of si- oh.
>>66727567People in that class used to browse V so
>>66727566As can be observed from a safe distance, it's whole system seems to be confounded by these recent eventsThe confusion may wear off eventually, though in some cases it is too late for the procedure to be reversed.
>>66727567yea i am. >>66727552No sweat battle brother. Hope you're rich and hardworking. Keep carrying the fire.
>>66727546>get a better dttfe ...I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.
>>66727605Yeah it sounds like the people in that class are autistic, doubly so now that we know them to be /v/erminBut he could well be safe from their influence
>>66727541>41 PL, 692 pointsWhat are you playing against? Power or points?
>>66727608Stop bullying your students with silly code.
>>66727607Instead of acting like some faggoty David Attenborough knock-off, why not just accept that nobody like ugly women?
>>66727541It's fine for fun games.>>66727615scroll down
Primaris points reduction when?
>>66727488Miniset and the collecting citadel miniatures wiki are meant to be that but they're quite incomplete
>>66727651Soon, they know the Inceptor point decrease was a big success.
>>66727628 It was 1337 for You can do it Champ!. That's why i didn't mark him down.
>>66727651When GW figures out how to actually assign a proper point value to the standard +1w, +1a that Primaris have. It's really bizarre how much they overvalued that in the original release.
>>66727636As the troglodyte's confusion swells further, so does it's autistic rage. Not knowing how to handle it's emotions, it lashes out at those it perceives as a threat.It would seem as though this specimen, is a lost cause.
>>66727691better weapons, as well
>>66727691They hard overvalued the marine statline to begin with. An extra point of S, T and +1 to their save somehow puts marines at 3x the cost of guardsmen.
>>66727708That worked a real treat the last two times, but who actually wants models of ugly women?
>>66727483Not true, looking at how these threads have been for a while now. Every time it's the waifufags that crashes each general eventually with no survivors
>>66727691Really. REALLY makes you think why marines in general cost so much with their current statline. If primaris cost 2 more points to be twice as survivable, why do marines cost 9 more than guardsmen when they're also only twice as survivable as guardsmen.
>>66727730Would it be better if marines cost slightly less, or guardsmen cost slightly more? Where do you think Sisters will fall between the two? Could GW be reviving them because it gives them a chance to make manlets look less good in comparison?
>>66727746I have never seen that anon. Most of the time when cute sisters are posted no one blubber about needing waifus.
>>66727745As observed previously, it is lost in a loop of thought, out of which it perceives no exit.Instead it continues it's cyclical thought patterns as it attempts to reassure itself of it's home cave's validity. Whether or not this is sufficient in calming the beast remains to be seen by modern man.
>>66727642>2 Superheavy detachments>Both cost more than his entire battalion detachment>his battalion is probably just there for points and Objective SecuredOh fuck off.
>>66727114Having 3 crisis suits with 3 flamers each overwatching my buddys tech priest dominus and killing him on the final rolled wound of said overwatch
>>66727784That is a blatant lie Anon and I don't much appreciate liars.
>>66727546You can just give them this chapter tactic instead of another one.
>>66727796Seriously though, do you want ugly women models? Who are you ma'am?
>>66727796Interjecting on this discussion, are you talking about supposed toxic masculinity?
>>66727803That's what he gets for playing melee Dom.
>>66727746The waifufags aren't real they exist only on the minds of insecure anons who can't acceptthat the company they love could ever make a bad sculpt
>>66727815It is a mysterious wonder of nature, the way this creature functions, and it remains to be explained by science thus far.It seems though, as ever, that the cycle continues ever onwards.
>>66727807Well even if it is a lie, the strawman doesn't apply to this discussion. People want normal easy to paint females, that don't take an obscene amount of knowledge on makeup.
>>66727672What were inceptors decreased by? Points will be adjusted when old space marines are phased out desu.
>>66727746>Ctrl+F 'waifu'>all results are just this faggot complaining about stuff>go to last thread, Ctrl+F 'waifu'>all results there are also this faggot complaining
>>66727831But for real, why do you want ugly women models? Are they inclusive for you since your surgery was botched?
>>66727762Guardsmen costing 5ppm
>that is objectively poorly made and repulsive>true, we should fix this>this female depiction is objectivrly poorly made and repulsive>no but see....It's okay to have standards friends.
>>66727817I think it'd be ill adviced to bring those kinds of concepts into these discussions on here because the Anons would rage about just reading those words, fundamentally misunderstand their meaning
>>66727879I want this, marines getting 2 wounds, and the armor system to change to a relative system.
>>66727868Epilogue: Even after the camera crew had left the scene, the troglodyte could be heard in the distance, forever repeating it's cycle and proving to all, that it is in fact not pretending
>>66727892Is it difficult to type with your head lodged that far up your ass?
>>66727318LOL. I think the cost of the miniatures will deter most from actually playing the games. Miniature war-gaming ain't cheap like: comics, movie tickets, or even video games. The cost of entries pretty high. Not that SJWs and feminists won't still bitch from the sidelines. The greatest danger is that GW starts hiring those people, then its over.
>>66727892Wasn't the meaning created by people that want to win arguements against men?Similar to mansplaining?I understand the meaning. The meaning is extrodinarily sexist and says a negative biological trait needs to be defeated.So yes you're right. Using something like that would be I'll advised.
>>66727905>I want this, marines getting 2 wounds, Iirc, all new loyalist marines have had 2+ wounds since the launch of 8e>and the armor system to change to a relative system.It's better than the abomination we had from the previous edition.
>>66727938A comic book is like $4 my dude
>>66727929Nice, but why won't you answer the question? I'll reiterate the question: who wants ugly women models?
>>66727318Daytona Superstretch right hereIt's okay to be paranoid Anon, SJWs do fuck everything eventually, especially anything male dominated, but I doubt Contrast is how they'll do it.
>>66727938That doesn't stop them from discussing topics they know nothing about. Normalizing and simplify it might cast a wider net.
>>66727947Not at all, and if one thinks "toxic masculinity" is an attack on all men, they are in that same camp of people that either genuinely don't understand it or choose to intentionally misinterpret them and what they're getting at, for what reason? To have something to be upset over? I wouldn't know
>>66727965It's honestly not better.It makes armor irellevent, they bandaid this by adding wounds to the model. Armor means next to nothing save a small modifier to generic output.
>>66727322This is good!
>>66727139Based and Conanpilled
>>66728006>It's honestly not better.And Cover gave everyone 5++ or 4++s, so it didn't matter the weapon's AP.Most guns taken were AP3 or lower>and that's not even touching the Grav gun ridiculousness
if the sisters looked good literally not one of the faggots defending them would care enough to shitpost here going "ugh I wish they made them UGLIER!"You're just being a contrarian because you don't like it when people criticize daddy GW
>>66727986Paranoid post talking about paranoia, hmm
>>66728005Masculinity is an inherent trait in men.Saying it's not an attack on all men is admitting that these traits aren't normal. That masculinity is not inherrant and we should favor men that are unlike themselves.I'm sorry anon that's very sexist and dangerous thinking. Something similar to demonizing a skin color.
>>66728057Like I said, either genuinely not understanding the words' meaning or intentionally misinterpreting it.I'll give you a lead: "toxic masculinity" is not referring to masculinity itself, but a specific harmful way of expressing a specific harmful type of masculinity.
>>66728041>And Cover gave everyone 5++ or 4++s, so it didn't matter the weapon's AP.Yes positioning is more important.Unlike current invulns where they simply weaken already weak ap values. >Most guns taken were AP3 or lowerAnd anything above ap-3 is nearly useless. Plasma is the best all rounder weapon and nothing else is necessary. Armor changes like 2+ or 3+ is miniscule when they become nearly equally useless against plasma.
>>66727929"...was in fact, not pretending"Xhe finishes xer cheeky retort with a fishmouthed grin, satisfied xhe had shown the anonymous poster on the plastic miniatures image board what for. Xhe had typed the same thing not once, but thrice, and xhe was certain it only became more amusing and clever with each repetition. Trollery was poetry, and xhe was the poet.Slowly, xhe open her mouth and reinserted the ball gag, fastening it snugly behind xer head. Xer breath grew heavy with anticipating, wafting through the wiffle ball's holes as xhe bent over double once more, assuming the position of xer desk. The Pringles can was only halfway into xer asshole, and the snugly smiling face of the mustachio'd patriarchal oppressor remained defiantly visible. Xhe clenched the desk with xer fingers as Helga gave the can another shove, forcing it into xer with a shudder of hairy man hips. "Nngghhh!" More. Xhe needed more.Another shove, and the Pringles man was swallowed into that forbidden canal at last, securing yet another victory against patriarchal oppression for victims everywhere. Truly, this was a day of small but satisfying triumphs.
>>66728057>Masculinity is an inherent trait in men.You're sorta missing the 'toxic' part there. The first rule of toxicology is that dosage is everything. Too much of anything is toxic, which is what toxic masculinity refers to. When masculinity becomes harmful, rather than the default state being harmful.
>>66728094Again you're forcing people to conform to society in your personal mindset, and blaim the failures on a born trait. Much like boys will be boys. They play and rough house with eachother because it's natural. Saying that's wrong is like saying a women's period is wrong. It's almost like ancient religious thought pattern.
>>66728105Talk about being triggered>>66727803How many crisis suits is optimal crisis suitage?
>>66728006>Any army can easily deal with 2+ save marines in cover.Stop exaggerating you whiny bitch and get good.
The Ultramarines (More commonly known as Ultrasmurfs) are a chapter of Space Marines, probably the most famous and well-known (both within the Warhammer 40,000 universe and without). Games Workshop considers the Ultramarines their chapter of choice, and the Ultramarines represent the standard upon which most other Space Marine chapters are based. Why Games Workshop would want a Space Marine chapter whose symbol is a toilet seat upside down Omega (℧) repulsive reverse vagina as their go-to chapter is beyond us. They have an easily recognizable blue-with-gold-trim colour scheme that the Thousand Sons decided to rip off post-heresy. (technically that's only the second company but who ever heard of an ultramarine player not painting his army blue and gold) - the blue colouration, coupled with the small size of the minis, has lead them to be nicknamed "Smurfs" by some everyone. Rick Priestley was originally inspired to promote the ultramarines heavily in publications of White Dwarf after a dream he had whilst staying around a friends house in which he claims the miniatures began speaking to him, this partly lead to his eventual dismissal from Games Workshop in 2010.A squad of Tactical Marines are the protagonists of the 40k-based movie surprisingly titled "Ultramarines".
>>66727761Math is just an opinion.
>>66728122So you're saying that men are a poison to society, and if they're too masculine they'll destroy it? And how exactly is this not the default when it's been the norm since the dawn of man? In fact it's litterally the natural biological instincts of man. What is unnatural is putting a muzzle on that or castrating them.
The Ultramarines are perhaps the closest to what many would consider a 'modern' military among the Adeptus Astartes. Strategy, planning and the minimization of casualties is the basis of any Ultramarine battle-plan and their central concept is that of a well drilled, immaculate army of soldiers who execute their duty with professionalism and competence. "Information is victory" is essentially the Ultramarine way, more so than most other Chapters. Though they are much more relaxed with regards to discipline than the Forge World's favoured, or those other guys. Even before they had reunited with their Primarch, it had been noted that the XIIIth Legion was strongly inclined towards the adoption of carefully thought out battle plans, an established chain of command, and an aversion to inflicting collateral damage. These tendencies were intensified further by their extensive study and practice of the Codex Astartes, which covers a very broad range of battlefield situations and doctrines to live by. Thanks to each and every one of them training and living by it, their companies operate like a smoothly functioning combat machine with every unit functionally interlocking with every other. However, as much as this by-the-book discipline was their strength, it is often also, like the real-life ancient Roman Legions, their weakness, since the few situations that the Codex Astartes did not prepare them for tended to catch them flat-footed, lacking the flexibility to properly respond. The initial Tyranid invasion and the Damnos incident exemplify such situations, where the unconventional nature of their enemy nearly led to their defeat. It doesn't matter how smoothly your forces function if you don't actually have a way to win the battle.
>>66728159>Any army can easily deal with 2+ save marines in cover.What are you implying?Do you think this is wrong?They are litterally balancdd around this.
>>66728047all fucking frogposters must fucking hang.
I want to paint one unit of every faction. Which factions and what units should I start with first?
>>66726802>Wut? Dem humies is sayin dat when we's krumpin da humie mekboies and takin der loot, dat iz alrite? Deez fat, blu 'air humies a been smacked upside da 'ead too many timez. Dey supposta get mad an come fite us! Dats da fun part!
>>66728098>Yes positioning is more important.[Laughs in Toe-in-Cover]>Unlike current invulns where they simply weaken already weak ap values.Invulnerable saves needed to be reworked with the shift to AP. And GW was lazy>a 5++ means a lot less to a 2+ than it used to.
That being said, they are extremely good at adapting to a threat once the initial shock has passed . In the aftermath of their near-defeat to the Tyranids, the Chapter would go on to crush Hive Fleet Kraken as a coherent invasion force as well as create an entire unit dedicated to fighting this particular threat (Almost as if they are a chapter that is protected by a mystical armour) ,called the Tyrranic War Veterans. These specialists would become highly sought after by the Deathwatch due to their experience and knowledge and was even augmented by survivors from other Chapters that suffered the wrath of the Tyranids. During the Horus Heresy, an entire force of 1000 Ultramarines was decimated the initial Night Lord of invasion of Sotha. Despite being caught off guard at first due to their unfamiliarity with the Night Lord's unconventional tactics, they began to adapt fast to their enemy's fighting style and by the end of the battle, achieved a near 20-1 kill ratio over their traitorous cousins. Although they may be weak to a new enemy or new tactics, they have a superb reactivity once they have the information they need.
>>66728184>So you're saying that men are a poison to society, and if they're too masculine they'll destroy it?Not remotely. Or at least, no more than 'Literally anything can be toxic, if it's causing harm'. Toxic Masculinity is stuff like 'Men see psychologists a lot less than they should because it's seen as unmanly to talk about such things'. Things where the need to keep up the societal expectation of masculinity is doing hard to the man himself.
>>66728047This. There would be moral outrage over the magus.
>>66728212Genestealers are pretty easy to paint. That’s a good starting point.
>>66728149>How many crisis suits is optimal crisis suitage? 0
They’re not warriors or knights, but soldiers; a professional fighting force dedicated to defending the 500 Worlds of Ultramar and serving the interests of the larger Imperium beyond. A standing army that is the byproduct of a prosperous Star Empire to whom they owe their existence to. This is seen in their combat doctrine. They don’t have any specializations themselves because they are supposed to adapt to whatever situation presents itself and act accordingly. They are a fluid and malleable fighting force that is supposed to assess the situation, gain every scrap of intelligence/battle data they can, and then change themselves into whatever is required to get the job done; be it a blunt hammer or a precision blade.The Primarch of the Ultramarines is Roboute Guilliman (aka Robot Girlyman and about a thousand other highly appropriate names: Big Bobby G, Rowboat Gillman, The BIG RG, Rawbutt Girlyman , The Great Papa Smurf, God-Emperor of smurfs Ex. Ex.) and it was he who wrote the (in?)famous Codex Astartes after the events of the Daddy Issue Invasion, prescribing each Space Marine chapter to a mere thousand warriors to ensure that no one man would ever command the loyalty of an entire Space Marine legion again. At least, that was the plan, but Roboute Guilliman himself never got to see it come to light, as he was mortally wounded by a poisonous attack from his bro, the Traitor Primarch Fulgrim, and he had been kept in stasis by the Ultramarines for thousands of years, only being revived through the actions of Archmagos Cawl and the Ynnari ten thousand years later (Working with Xenos? HERESY!).
Holy shit and they say /aosg/ and /wip/ are bad.Y'all need to chill, sisters should be fit and athletic from all the training and conditioning but nowhere was it claimed theyd look like pin up dolls. That wouldn't bother me I don't really care either way but do you think a life spent in grueling battle would equate to a vogue cover face?Leave your computer for a bit and go paint that greytide
>>66728047I honestly dont understand people who shill for uglier people in their hobby. Magic wants their fucking fantasy card game "to more accurately represent the real world", 40k needs to have all these extra chromosone or 70 year old looking female sculpts. We KNOW GW can sculpt better women, the Sniper and Magus being key examples. A ton of legitimate art work shows sisters as being very feminine and attractive, with the older women acting as head nuns, its fantasy obviously, but the game ISNT FUCKING REAL, according to GW, all normal humans are dead, original humanity is no more, what we see now are the humans designed specially for space travel. Why the fuck are people whining and complaining that women "dont have to fit disgusting male standards reeeee" as if 40k was real life?Also, thats a fine pepe sir, may i take it?
>>66728144"Boys will be boys" is not the hill you want to die on Anon, just a meme phrase used to normalize violence when boys are growing up, and not the only thing going on there.Themes associated with the concept of toxic masculinity are harmful to men themselves and contribute to the atrocious suicide rate among men, for one, so you should have more of an interest in actually understanding it's meaning because working on it would be better for the mental health of men
The Ultramarines base their ideals upon the teachings of super-Ultra Smurf daddy, who ended up on a neo-Roman planet and soon adopted their way of thinking. They believe in individual strength to strengthen the whole (and not for the betterment of one self), and in following the rules, however strict they might be. This way, order is maintained in all things. Courage is, naturally, also a big thing to them, since it goes with the idea of the individual working to better the whole. All this means that the Ultramarines are very, very good at doing their job, as long as they are prepared for it and works alongside the rest of their Chapter, but tend to be completely stumped when a situation, which their planning and reasoning can't immediately deal with, comes up.
The Ultramarines are also notorious for disregarding much of the wider Imperium in favour of their own worlds, the famed 500 Worlds of Ultramar. This has earned them much hate from in-universe factions, who don't like how they essentially go "Screw you guys, we'll just make our own, sort of working empire!"; One of Fulgrim's iterators, who had the ear of powerful members of Terran court, once said that "The Lord of Ultramar sees little else besides the primacy of his own culture.", and also Malcador and the Emperor were not surprised when Guilliman chose to defend his 500 worlds rather than get his hands dirty with the Horus Heresy. Many elegen/tg/entlemen dislike this as well, since it sort of makes the Ultries seem they know better than the rest of the Imperium, while still being lauded as being some of the most honourable Chapters in the entire galaxy. Though in the Ultramarine's defense, they're probably the most successful space marine chapter in the galaxy, considering that they defend and maintain hundreds of worlds, and those worlds are some of the most prosperous, meritocratic worlds in the entire Imperium. Plus, the Ultramarines have an affinity with the common people, as they believe that it's their sworn duty to protect the innocent, like the Salamanders. Even with their duties in Ultramar, the Chapter still sends warriors out into the wider galaxy, making significant contributions at Armageddon and at Cadia during the 13th black crusade.
Sparing nothing on the awesome factor.All of the other Space Marine legions save one (or maybe two, depending on how you look at it, maybe three if you count anger and most likely four when thinking about it) adopted the Codex and split up into multitudes of smaller chapters, and most Space Marine chapters today follow the practices found within it, although some like the Space Wolves and the Black Templars have refrained from implementing it. Few are as rigid in pursuing the use of the Codex as the Ultramarines, though. Where most other Chapters like the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard looks to it for guidance when encountering unfamiliar situations, the Ultramarines see the Codex as a sort of "holy book" and follow its instructions to the letter. Ironically, Guilliman himself believed this to be misguided and noted that the Codex was never meant to replace the ability to act on one's own judgments. But Irony is a strong force in 40K universe.
>>66728265After reading the entire thread the only conclusion I can draw is you’re either baiting or a genuine liberal faggot who believes whole heartedly in the kool aid you’re drinking.
>>66728203I'm implying that it is not the case, being able to have troops with 2+ saves by being in cover is a real strength and forces your opponent to play around it. Unless you're facing plasma spammers every time you play which I am sure is not the case for the people complaining about MEQ saves.
Because they are the poster-boys for Space Marines, they are perhaps the most famous Chapter in the general 40k fandom, but are widely hated by many denizens of /tg/. This may initially have been due to their popularity - the Space Marines in general suffer something of a backlash from fa/tg/uys because of their overwhelming popularity with the annoying young children that infest the hobby, and the Ultramarines are the most popular of them all - but of recent editions the blatant favouritism displayed by certain Games Workshop writers towards the Chapter have earned them considerable ire, especially from fans of other Space Marine chapters that get slagged off in the process. This is mainly the fault of Matthew Ward's 5th edition Space Marine Codex, which explicitly claimed that the Ultramarines were superior to all other Space Marines (In 2nd edition it was explicitly stated.) and was not helped by Ward's own poor fluff-writing skills (see Quotes below). However, more recent fluff has served to bring the Ultramarines back to their "Space Roman" roots, making them far less objectionable than they were in the past. Forge World's Horus Heresy line has been particularly kind to them, giving them a variety of stylish Heresy-era gear, all of them with that "The Glory That Was Rome" vibe.
>>66728291>>66728270>>66728250>>66728227>>66728194>>66728169Reminder that you can filter out posts with words like “Ultramarine” if you haven’t already done so.
>>66728231And yet toxic masculinity is attacking his masculinity and burning from both ends of the candle. Masculinity is not arrogance, we shouldnt say someone being repressive to their feelings is masculinity. Because it's litterally the opposite of that. Their feelings are getting in the way of their logical behavior. Emotion and logic can walk hand in hand. But we shouldn't demonize it. If you want to solve this, don't call a small sub sect of it toxic, solve the over all problem. If two groups of things fail, we shouldnt close in on one, and claim it was always to solve both issues. That's focussing on the identity of the issue instead of the real issue.
First Edition HistoryBack in the first edition of Warhammer 40,000, in an article co-written by Rick Priestley. The XIIIth Legion were actually traitors and were banished to the Eye of Terror along with the other traitor legions. The modern day 40k Ultramarines were established on new years day 001.M32, which would make them a Third Founding chapter. They received all of the gene-"sperm" & implants, rituals and paraphernalia of the original legion.Not only that, they only received lordship over the world of Macragge AFTER the First Tyrannic War. And though they did have different names for all of their company captains and command staff, they were/are still commanded by a man named Marneus Calgar.The implications of this would be startling if we use the "everything is canon, but not necessarily true" stance that GW has adopted when regarding fluff inconsistencies. Hinting that Guilliman's marines were heretics and traitors and were eventually banished from the Imperium.However, attempting to reconcile this old origin story with "modern" Ultramarines is extremely difficult, we can only coherently insert it into the current state of play if we assume there is a second chapter out there called the "Ultra-Marines" with a chapter master and homeworld of the same name and the same level of involvement with the Tyrannic Wars. Though what completely knocks this old fluff out is that it also has possession of the body of Roboute Guilliman so it has to be a retcon though it still opens the door to conspiracy theories or that Marneus Calgar is in command of multiple Chapters.
>>66728251>waifu cover model strawmanning in the same thread that called it out.You need new material.
>>66728309And why is that Anon? Because..? You are so dug in on your position that you're afraid of looking at things objectively?
>>66727160Based and greatergoodpilled
>>66728265"Boys will be boys" is unacceptable as an excuse for adults (like the gov official who was caught sniffing coke) but rough housing and play fighting for boys is completely normal.A ton of animals learn through physical touch. Kittens for example, need an adult cat to play with them so they learn how hard they can bite or scratch without harming, the Adult will hold the kitten down if it gets too violent.Its the same with people to a lesser extent. Did you not wrestle with your dad at all as a kid? My nephew and niece love "attacking" me or crawling on me. You learn societal limits to violence through rough housing, without it you'll find it hard to control yourself and you'll injure people more by accident.
>>66728333You are attempting to have a conversation on an anime image board with a person who unironically believes men and women do not exist, except when the men have opinion they don't like in which case they're toxic. You might as well talk to a piece of furniture.
Haha, i claim this thread for the Dynasty. You fools have been infighting so long you didn't recognize the stirrings of my tomb world beneath you
The other possibility is that when the Ultramarines were declared traitor and forced into the eye of terror, Guilliman, recognising his plans for Imperium Secondus were about to topple with the death of Sanguinius (who had been declared ruler as a means to placate the Emperor and the other legions), Guilliman had himself cloned and a portion of his legions most pure geneseed moved to the Eastern Fringe and Macragge to ensure survival of the Ultramarines, The Ultramar Empire and the Imperium Secondus concept as its eventuality. This occurred just as the rest of the legion (Including the original primarch) were declared traitor and forced into the eye. It would also suggest, given the appearance of Guilliman's wounded body in stasis on Macragge, that it was in-fact the clone that was killed by Fulgrim and the real primarch still resides either in the eye of terror or the immaterium with the remains of the Ultramarine Traitor Legion.In either case, somehow one of the two possible Guilliman's was returned to Macragge and placed in stasis post-mortem after being Mortally-Wounded. If you accept the cloning of Guilliman, this all makes sense; he wanted to ensure his empire survived and having been declared traitor, cloned himself and sent the clone to rule over the new Imperium, the clone being mortally wounded by Fulgrim en-route. Or somehow, and for some reason, a traitor primarch was dragged out of the eye of terror and kept in stasis on the opposite side of the galaxy. Given the stupidity of that second line of thought, the clone being the primarch on Macragge is a much more likely situation... Especially as if his wounds heal and the clone recovers he would be able to continue acting out the original Guilliman's plans for a second imperium with its epicentre based within the Ultramar Empire and using Space Marines created from the remains of the purest legion-stock geneseed.
>>66728333>If two groups of things fail, we shouldnt close in on one, and claim it was always to solve both issues. That's focussing on the identity of the issue instead of the real issue.Except, as people have said, it's not attacking masculinity. It's talking about a specific situation in which people's desire to be 'masculine' is being bad. In the same way that water toxemia is not attacking the concept of 'drinking water', it's talking about a specific thing.
What's a good name for the unkillable Ynnari Wraithseer build?
>>66728265>Anon, just a meme phrase used to normalize violence when boys are growing up, and not the only thing going on there.Violence is not bad. It is simply shows dominance. It is natural to be violent, you need to control how you apply your violence. Boys will be boys is young men learning this and occasionally failing. Much like any child crying and acting childish. We don't ask more from them, we grow and nurture them so they learn and mature.
Name & Breaking the HyphenThe Ultramarines are not named because they are 'Ultra' as in 'Superior'. They're called "Ultramarines" because their home sector is Ultramar and the demonym is Ultramarine. Think of how people from America are Americans. Taking it as literally as possible, they're the "People of Ultramar," which plays back into their theme of being a part of their home's society. Their armour colouring is "coincidentally" called Ultramarine, which is generally described as being a slightly grapish (in contrast to Phthalo's greenish) blue.The overseas section of the Spanish Empire was referred to as Ultramar (waaaaaaaaaaay beyond the sea). Given the great distance between Ultramar and Terra, it's a fitting analogy.In early versions of the Lore, "Ultramarines" (As they are now known) are spelt in a myriad of different ways. Rick Priestly himself describing them as "Ultra-Marines". Other versions include "Ultra Marines", "The Ultra-Marine Chapter" and "Smurfs" *BLAM* amongst many other iterations. In all instances, and all cases (even accounting for the First Edition lore above) it can be assumed the lore refers to the same Chapter or Legion. Punctuation matters, just not in 40K...
>>66728376Chode. What's the build?
>>667281491 squad of 9 with all flamers Maybe I shouldve picked salamanders instead for this fire fetish
>>66728333Anon, that is a very unhelpful way of coming at this.The part where the man chooses not to see a psychiatrist because it is UNMANLY is where that trait of "men don't need to seek out outside help because it is not masculine and shows weakness" becomes toxic, and it is caused due to the societal norms of masculinity, so it is.. toxic masculinityThis isn't about masculinity as a concept being bad and pretending like it is won't get you anywhere
>>66728318Marines are balanced that they have 2+ saves. And yes you should have anti meq weapons. >my god they have an equal fighting chance now, this is unforgivable!You're simply used to auto rolling marines.
riddle me this,riddle me that,are death korps of krieg,really that bad?
>>66728362Imagine being so insecure that you have to strawman someone else this hard
>>66728248You aren’t wrong at all.
>>66728373>it's not attacking masculinity. It's talking about a specific situation in which people's desire to be 'masculine' is being bad.I'm sorry anon are you telling me that failing to be masculine is the problem, or that the byproduct of learning masculinity should be demonized?
>>66728415you play krieg because you love them and hate money, not because they are good. Same for the Elysians. They dont have access to codex stuff, only forgeworld rules.
>>66728253>>66728047I just want my megacity judges. Why do people think "average" equates to ugly? You can realistic proportions but still make the models attractive, you can have battle-scarred veterans without making them look like men.
>>66728410I'm not saying it's a bad thing, on the contrary. But you see a lot of complaining about saves not being useful while that's bullshit.
>>66727268The crux terminatus is a badge to to identify veterans of the 1st company in codex compliant chapters, or whatever the equivalent is for non compliant chapters. Since the majority of the time they're wearing terminator plate, people have largely associated it with terminator armor, and not the veterans themselves, even though they tend to go hand in hand
>>66728451based and hersheypilled
Did you pick your chapter/legion for their lore or their colour scheme?
>>66728447I'm saying that societal expectations are a bitch and often not conductive to reality.
>>66728397Homing beacons were nerfed in the codex to work before Stealthsuits move, and not after. It was unfortunately the only way we could get flamers in range straight out of deep strike.
>>66728447The problem is that man not going out to get professional help when he sorely needs it to survive because he's been taught to think that is an unmanly & weak thing to do
>>66728399Trying to solve your own problems isn't toxic. That's self reliance. Being unable to admit your failures isn't masculinity, it's arrogance. You're applying all these traits to masculinity, and act surprised when people react poorly. Please imagine applying theft and murder to blacks, and say dealing with crime needs to be labeled toxic africaninity.It's base line sexism
>>66728485>REEEEE SOCIETY IS OPPRESSING MEYou probably deserve it.
Ultramarines post-WardUnless you are new here, then you should be well informed by now over the really skubtastic history involving the Ultramarines and the dreaded Ward. While Ward was indeed responsible for the immense butthurt and rage caused on /tg/ and to 1d4Chan itself (Seriously just look at the pages history, it was a war on green and red edits), Ward himself wasn't completely at fault here, Games Workshop is just as much to blame for their irresponsible and careless attitude in handling fluff to a clearly biased player and gave him the green light to write whatever things Ward could come out with. However after Ward's unexpected quite departure in 2014 (He came back in 2016 though, just hope he can control his Ultramarine urges now(he can’t)), the Ultramarines have been getting....less of the limelight like they used to back in the heydays of Codex: Space Marines 5th Edition. Nowadays, the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels and even the Deathwatch are getting more in the spotlight.
When do i get my army of operators?
>>66728466I don't try to imply that. The system is designed backwards. There is a huge leap in output with low ap, and then everything is balanced where armor is supposed to be strongest and lack of armor is weakest.And the only time marines do better is when a modest positive modifier is introduced. But it's so rare that they suffer greatly and drown in -ap values.
>>66727322Is that a fem-Guilliman with 50-gallon gazongas?
>>66728381Reason why most women and generally too shelter people do are so eager to start throwing punches.They do not understand that getting into a fight is a stupid move in the first place.
>>66728527When you make one. Death watch are pretty good for it
>>66728478Lore, legion is an amazing novel
>>66728507Don't be obtuse, I am not the one applying those traits to masculinity, that is the current societal norm in most western societies and it is this society which says "these are masculine things" even when they're taken too far
>>66728478I liked the spooky skull helmet on the NL contemptor so built an army around it
>>66728502He is also taught that letting his arrogance and emotions get the better of him is very unmanly.Your also conflating societal ideal gentleman with masculinity which is biological. Calling out one societal teaching of men, while ignoring the rest is obviously going to seem problematic. Like I said do not focus on one idea.
>>66728094The problem is that a lot of people who espouse "toxic masculinity" as the source of all of society's ills will, when pressed, be unable to come up with any version of "positive masculinity" other than generic gender-neutral positive attributes, and anything traditionally masculine (from competitiveness to contact sports to certain diets) is viewed as toxic.
>>66728555>I am not the one applying those traits to masculinityYeah, just you and your fellow SJW cronies. Maybe you should address your toxic femininity first.
>>66728560>emotions get the better of him is very unmanly.Yes, which is harmful. As it results in men locking down emotions until it erupts in a harmful way, rather than learning healthy ways of release. Which is part of the 'Men should be seeing shrinks more than they are already'.>Like I said do not focus on one idea.You seem to be the one focusing on one idea, taking a specific term and trying to apply it beyond its scope.
>>66728451Go back to /co/ Judge Anon. I'm saying it in honest spirit, /co/ is such a shit board Judge Anon posts elevate the quality of that place.
>>66727034Reminds me of pic related
>>66728478Color scheme or rather their general aestheticsI went for Minotaurs because I like their colors and the greek armor decoNow I'm just waiting for a primaris Asterion Moloc
>>66728391Wraithseer with Lost Shroud and any WT you like, probably Master of Death (6 to hit count as 2) or Warden of Souls (+1S/A when soulbursting). This gives you a T8 W12 3+/5++/5+++ character that halves damage taken, a profile that for reference can tank a Castellan's entire shooting phase (with Cawl's Wrath and Order of Companions) and survive, or take a Paragon Gallant's charge and not even get bracketed. For 100 points.
>>66727114Shitposting on /tg/
>>66728576>Maybe you should address your toxic femininity first.Toxic femininity is very different to this. I mean, for one, that would be being non-confrontational to the point of being unable to defend yourself properly and this is an argument so it's clearly not that.
>>66728478lore. always the sweet lore
>>66728495Can’t use you do a low altitude drop onto a recon drone? It says that stratagem happens at the beginning of the movement phase.
>>66728485Societies get their expectations by chance, those that have better expectations dont die out, so shut up.
>>66728565Competitiveness isn't seen as toxic unless it becomes 'Obsessed with winning'. We vilify bad sports and cheats, not anyone playing sport.
>>66728478Mostly lore and thematics, I slightly altered their dull colours to mettalic silver/gray with black accents and pauldrons, with stripes in some tactful places.something like pic related, but with brighter steel
>>66728619I'd say toxic femininity is probably more on the order of girl-on-girl bullying (ask anyone with teenage or preteen sisters or daughters, that shit's borderline sociopathic) and other forms of social exclusion. I would even say that harmful gender roles are enforced by women a lot more than by men, even those that damage women.
>>66728478The Thousand Sons have both in spades
>>66728619>Women>Not arguingChoose one. Lets say you're toxically feminine because you have an intense need to argue, but with little factual basis, you have poor emotional control on a day to day basis, and you're too weak to actually accomplish anything on your own.
How should I paint my blood angel successors?
Now that the dust is starting to clear, what's people actual, constructive, thoughts on Contrast?
christ can you shut your fucking faces about the feminism and anti-feminism. please.
>>66728622Recon drone and homing beacon are two different things (the former is the big cylindrical one that comes with pathfinders, the second one is a bit of wargear stealth suits can take). If your enemy lets you slowly waltz a recon drone into the middle of their army then that's great, but it's not super reliable.
>>66728664>you have an intense need to argue, but with little factual basis, you have poor emotional control on a day to day basisThis is just this whole website
>>66728636That's the thing, in a lot of discourse like this any given trait is only seen as masculine if it's toxic and as a general, non-gendered thing if it's not, making the concept of toxic masculinity tautological. Self-reliance and confidence isn't masculine, but arrogance and self-destructiveness is. It's hard to get a bead on toxic masculinity when the concept is so broadly applied and so often misused.
>>66728674I'll let you know when mine arrive
>>66728451I think people just don't understand minis nor art in general. That if someone were to say calling a human whose anatomy incorrect "flawed" is an attack on those with the anatomy. But art is not realistic, it's taking abstract beauty of concepts in life and making them beautiful. It doesn't even mean failed anatomy can't work, it takes knowledge of proportions to balance. But not utilizing that will cause it to fail. I feel like both parties are wrong. If gamesworkshop could actually make something ugly yet feminine, the models would work. But with the current design they would not, which is why people believe in pushing closer to the average female would work in this current design.Because it would improve it.
>>66728674It's not even out, how is the dust gonna have settled?
>>66726802Do we have a mega folder with all of these memes in it?
>>66728669Lamentors or Flash Tearers.
>>66728674At the most basic level, its a glaze, but better and stronger. You can use it for things you may use a wash for instead, and it works very well for organic material painting. Youre still going to need to highlight like usual, but not nearly as much.
>>66728584>rather than learning healthy ways of release. Which is part of the 'Men should be seeing shrinks more than they are already'.This is why men are told to have hobbies. It extracts that anger, but a lot of men lack these things. Again there is a solution already, we don't need to muzzle the natural elements of men. We also don't need to denounce a part of things for the ideal man.Just like we shouldn't denounce fitness, because it comes with negative aspects like anorexia or over training.
>>66728265You will never pass, neck yourself discord tranny
>>66728674It's very VERY high pigment and yet even. I'm genuinely blown away with how even it applies, but this same effect can be captured with any normal paint. Flow aid and Vallejo paint can get nearly identical results to contrast.
>>66728669Sand Yellow as primary color and deep crimson as secondaryIf you wanna go really crazy use ultramarine blue for trims and details
>>66728706Dudes just read it and think it's an attack on masculinity in general, and get upset about it, just like how it went in this thread lolSelf-reliance and confidence can be looked as positive masculine traits, and it becomes toxic masculinity when it crosses over into "I won't seek help BECAUSE it is not manly"BECAUSEIt's taking those positive traits too far
>>66728786Vallejo's liighter colours are brilliant to achieve similar effects. I just wish it was consistent. You can get army green (which is literally just WAAGH flesh but different brand) and thats got the same consistency as GW paint, but then oxford blue (purple) is more like GW paint with lahmian medium already applied.
>>66728756My school had boxing matches for boys like once a month.Anyone had problem with another guy. Fight it out. As a result our boy generation ended sharing with each other. You could see the nerd guy that enjoy playing D&D playing with the jock and the jock teaching rugby to the nerd. It worked so well that the boys keep in touch with each other after decades.While the girls? Oh boy that must had been hell. One Poor bastard got her underwear stolen, and her uniform skirt replaced with one stupidly short. Enjoy living that with hormons.In other ways boys had Thunder Dome, while women just had the Cold War.
>>66728839God damn wish my school had that.
>>66728756Painting miniatures or lifting isn't going to make your depression go away when your brain isn't making enough serotoninSo when that guy won't see a professional because "it's not manly" and "men just need to have a hobby", that is an issue
>>66728824Mate, I'm not basing this on once reading the term and screeching autistically that feminazis wanna cut off my balls. I've spent some time reading and arguing about this stuff, enough that retards on here would tell me to dilate, and what I've said stems from that. I find that toxic masculinity has lost its quality as a useful concept for discussion of gender issues because it's been misused to the point it might as well mean "things a man does that I don't like". You can stretch basically any personal issue a man might have into either toxic masculinity or a consequence of it.
>>66728824>it's not an attack on men>when we conflate natural traits to men only
>>66728880They remove the thunder dome. “Too violente” result back to bullying, men bottling up crap till they tilt.I’m convince that regular men need some violence in their life to be healthy.
you can't spell slaughter without slaughter
>>66728836Oddly I find Vallejo paints to be way more consistant than gw. Gw paints are only consistant in being fuck full of pigments, or diluted and unworkable. Vallejo seems like the middle ground, I can work both bases, layers, and glazes out of all of them. Gw paints just don't seem to work outside their one designated use.
>>66728894It was stretched to "things a man does that I don't like" 2-3 years ago, now it's dumbed down even further to "PENIS MAN BAD"
>>66728936Does he have rules for 8th? I'm wondering how he stacks up against other melee powerhouse characters like Kharn.
>>66728934That's basically the entire concept of fight club.
>>66728949yes, he does have rules, and no he isnt as broken as he used to be.
>>66728894Oh yeah I wasn't implying that you were screeching, I was referring to all the others trying to get their REEs inSo long as we agree on the actual real meaning of the term, which is what started this whole thing when I said "it wouldn't be helpful to bring up on here" because it just results in broflakes flinging shit
>>66728349No, because you’re a fag is the short answer. The long answer is that the entire premise of “toxic masculinity” is nothing but newspeak for thoughts/ideas/beliefs that women and weak men have deemed need to to be eradicated. The adage “boys will be boys” isn’t some new thing conservative or traditional people say, it always has been. Just as you can say girls like frilly things and babies, because both of those statements are objectively true from most of the entirety of human existence.The entire premise is resting on a weak foundation, the idea that “masculinity” can be toxic. It isn’t masculinity itself that should be the problem, but since you people are so narrow minded you believe it is. The real issue, that I assume you mean to actually point out, is that the culture rewards boys/men for destructive behavior to others, and most importantly themselves, which causes them to lash out and hurt others. But since boys are told how horrible they are and are given no help in school, community or sometimes family, what do you expect them to be but exactly what you’ve deemed them, toxin?In short, faggot.
>>66728963>why do people screech when I bring up white nationalism
So it's cannon that faith can weaken daemons and dampen the effects of the warp. Here's the real question. Does that mean enough sufficiently faithful humans could beat a greater daemon to death? If an entire hive spire had such strong faith in E-money that the sight of the daemon didn't phase them than could they all collectively kick its teeth in?
>>66726851Some people are ugly, get over it faggot
>>66728949Yeah, he's pretty much a terminator captain with a buffed-up chainfist and lightning claw and a +1S aura. Pretty beastly, but like most beatsticks you can usually make a better one out of generic units.
>>66728898If you fundamentally do not understand the post you've just read, why do you respond to it
>>66727169These work pretty good if having different base sizes perturbs you. https://www.eccentricminiatures.com/adapterrings.htmlI've done 36 genestealers and random marines.
>>66728370Absolutely not xeno scum.
>>66728892Working out will. Painitng minis is for de-stress, not emotional uplift.
>>66728984...yes...maybe? Several million REALLY REALLY faithful people might be able to banish a greater daemon just by crowding around it and being faithful. Beating it with sticks is just icing on the cake.
>>66727506Haven't had much play with them except OOE. He is fun. Kills anything he charges pretty much.
>>66728683Well you can stick the drone in a Devilfish or in cover and it gets the 7” move like the Pathfinders do. Also once the suits drop they can advance giving your flamers a d6+8+8” range. Not to mention that if you’re Tau the enemy is going to be trying to close with you ASAP.
>>66728984There's no situation where that many people with levels of faith that high would be in the same place. Your average human, even a faithful one, will shit their pants at the sight of a greater daemon. Are there humans badass and faithful enough to face one? Sure, there's probably billions of them spread throughout the galaxy. But there would never be enough in one place for that to work.
>>66729010Working out will not delete your depression AnonIt helps, but isn't a definitive solution
New IG When?!?!?!
>>66728588>>66728475I am not he, I am but a simple, judge loving man.>>66728722I agree, anatomy is something that unless you study it you can't tell exactly what is wrong with something but deep down you know there is. The proportions of a body aren't exact but they do have certain guidelines that an artist can use to make something that is appealing. Nobody has the exact proportions artists are taught, that's because those are the ideal, but everybody is close to that, differing here and there to make them, them.The SoB heads are ill-proportioned, the nose sticks out the most to me, it's far too emphasized and there is a reason why anime and Disney don't draw attention to them, we prefer them that way. Why do people complain about tumblr noses? Because they do the opposite, they intentionally focus on them.That's the problem with the heads, they focus on areas we don't find attractive and even if we don't know why we notice something is wrong. It's frustrating that people will attempt to defend GW when they did a good job with the Magus, Celestine, the female Stormcast from Soulwars, they're not bombshell bimbos but they're attractive because they don't do what's been done to the Sisters.I don't need anime-tier waifu sculpts but I expect better from GW.
>>66728979Appealing to tradition isn't an argument
>>66728984Enough humans with a strong enough belief in something can do literally anything. That's not me being dramatic or encouraging. The human population of the Tau literally created a God out of their belief in the greater good.
>>66729046isn't all the artwork for the metal IG all updated? wonder why they never updated most of the metal kits
>>66728953Minus the terrorism
>>66728984It depends if the daemon can kill enough to diminish the effect before it's sufficiently weakened.
>>66728839fuck, that must have been terriblewhen i was in basic training for the army, we had a mixed gender training company. all the girls in the company were sequestered into their own bay, while the guys were in the other 3 bay. By about week 2, most of us guys were able to pull together and get some level of cooperation and coherency, and we existed with no real issues. The women on the other hand... lets just say 95% of the issues the company had were solely because of them being super catty and unwilling to do anything for or because of each other. I'm surprised nobody was permanently injured
>>66729041>Working out will not delete your depression AnonDid for me, healthy body, healthy mind. Plus men will respect you more, and women will want you more, even if you're an ugly piece of shit.
>>66729040>>66728984>Does that mean enough sufficiently faithful humans could beat a greater daemon to death?>There's no situation where that many people with levels of faith that high would be in the same place.Sup
>>66728934>I’m convince that regular men need some violence in their life to be healthy.There is a reason temperance and self-control are highly valued masculine traits in most human cultures.
>>66729099SOB's kill daemons with guns, swords, and skill. You would need every sister in the Imperium to weaken a greater daemon enough for a bunch of civilians to beat it to death.
>>66729092Anon that doesn't prove anything, I'll take stats and data over anecdotesIf we're doing anecdotes, I have two friends who frequent the gym & stay healthy, one is slightly depressed and one is at times suicidal
>>66729054Absolutely shit answer, and you know it, but I expected nothing less.
>>66728953How do people still get the exact opposite message from Fight Club after decades?
>>66729124>SOB's kill daemons with guns, swords, and skill.you forgot faith
>>66728979>The real issue, that I assume you mean to actually point out, is that the culture rewards boys/men for destructive behavior to others, and most importantly themselves, which causes them to lash out and hurt others.Not him, but I assume that's what's meant by toxic masculinity. Of course the term is such a catch-all that it might also be used to mean ten other different things.
>>66728839>My school had boxing matches for boys like once a month.>Anyone had problem with another guy. Fight it out.I feel like the problem with this is the jock default wins every dispute
>>66729147I think the first guy was talking about weakening a greater daemon to the point where unarmed, untrained, civvies could beat it to death unarmed.
>>66729041It doesn't on its own, but it does help.
>>66729046>>66729059I really want certain lines like Mordians since there are so many conversion opportunities with them.
>>66729156If that was what it is supposed to mean which I assume is what it originally meant, it’s been so twisted as to render it useless in terms of discussion. And those aren’t necessarily masculine traits, those are societal expectations more than anything else.
>>66729159Oddly enough it didn’t. My explanation looking back was the everyone had to do rugby so even the most nerd bastard was not a weak man Everyone had to be at least good enough for a scram
>>66728656>I would even say that harmful gender roles are enforced by women a lot more than by men, even those that damage women.https://www.thedailybeast.com/she-doesnt-regret-torturing-women-for-isis>The women that Umm Rashid helped to torture were “seducing young men with those colorful abayas,” she says, her voice full of derision. “We would also imprison and beat the women who wore eye shadow. We behaved nicer to the women from the villages because they were poor and their abayas were torn, but with the women from the city we would be very harsh. Ten-year-old girls were arrested if they didn’t have abayas. We forced girls to put on abayas after the age of seven.”The irony is that their Handmaid dystopia will come from their own gender.
>>66729141just stop. not only does this have nothing to do with 40k, but you're an idiot.
Thinking about putting jump packs on some primaris reivers to use as NL raptors. Good idea or nah?
>>66728992Because it is an attack on men.
>>66729132NAYRT, but your entire premise, that masculinity can not be dangerous no matter how it is expressed, is debunked by philosophy of antiquity the world over, and by decades of psycho-analysis and sociological/cultural study.No one will argue with you because your stance is so flawed it can only be held by someone trying to provoke an argument (and then claim victory when no one wants to argue with a bullshitter on an anime bbs).
>>66729156That is the actual, real meaning of it, but people either are genuinely misguided (be it the fault of someone misusing it to accuse them or them given the wrong understanding by someone looking to misinform them intentionally) or intentionally misinterpret it
>>66729041Do you work out?
>>66729192one of the parts of handmaids tale absolutely everyone glosses over is that there is *no* sisterhood between the protagonist and the wife, and if anything she's more cruel than the husband
>>66729242>genuinely misguided (be it the fault of someone misusing it to accuse them or them given the wrong understanding by someone looking to misinform them intentionally) or intentionally misinterpret itUsually both, especially when it challenges how they were raised.
>>66729248Yup>>66729224Again, why do you bother responding when you don't understand the post you're responding to?
>>66729192>The irony is that their Handmaid dystopia will come from their own gender.Been long time since I've read the book, but wasn't this the case with the book too? That is, the original revolution that came was result of this?Not too interested in re-reading this book, found it awful ESPECIALLY towards second half after the author starts imagining what it'd be like to have a penis and then goes to a bar for whores.
>>66729141Oh no are feminists claiming fight club is toxic?
Which army should I start to fill the void? Nids are pretty cool.
>>66729192Who do you think, at the head of isis, put these ideas in their heads I wonder
>>66729227Obviously you’ve got problems with reading comprehension. I listed out what “toxic masculinity” is, not what you people have deemed it as. Please don’t act so high and mighty that somehow men acting reasonable, disciplined and strong in mind and body is inherently wrong. Society has always ostracized men who are fools, drunks, overly violent and sources of problems, to say I ignored that is a load of shit.
>>66729301The army whose general aesthetics you enjoy, not a handful of nice models, and that you can assemble and paint for months before getting into a single game.If nids interest you, go for it.
>>66729264Look anon. admit that applying negatives of neutral traits to an identity is a problem. Admit that calling those traits negative because of half truths is a problem.
>>66729301Orks feat. StompaYou get like 50% of a 2000 point list in 1 model.
>>66729311>somehow men acting reasonable, disciplined and strong in mind and body is inherently wrongAnd who is saying that, other than you?The other part you missed is the "Win at all costs, crush everyone beneath you on your way up, only I can be best" mentality that Americans especially thrive on.
>>66729287I'd say the opposite. It sets up in the first half to wake up sheeple and fight out your issues andfuck consumerism, and has a bunch of bored, adrift men find meaning in that. Then the second half has the club become a cult of personality and also a regular cult and has them become insane anarchists going from petty vandalism to blowing up business offices. It's hard to take "men, go out and beat the shit out of each other to find meaning in life" as the intended message.
>>66729311If you didn't have problems with reading comprehension you'd have noticed that both the misinterpretation by broflakes and the actual meaning of toxic masculinity have both been expressed a long time ago in this discussion because thats where it started lmao
THIS is the kind of thread we get when GW don't release models for 6 weeks straight.
>>66729356Please dont be so racist
>>66729321It is a little bit like saying that being hardworking and dutiful is an Asian trait and say that being a workaholic with no emotional expression is toxic Asian-ness. Or if you really wanna open the can of works, try it with black people.
>>66729360That sounds like the general message people would mistake it for.
>>66729361Not really helping the tone of discussion by unironically using "broflakes", yourself. It's the kind of term used by the type of people who buy Male Tears mugs. Hell, I'd even say it stems from the same attitude that mocks men for being emotional, ironically enough.
>>66729373without plastic crack i start to stare into the void and the void stares back
>>66729361you cant expect to be taken seriously while using the term broflake. also both of you get out of this thread.
>>66729373It happens almost every time there's a big gap in 40k releases
>>66729376>meme heads to ruin the set
>>66729376unfortunately those heads are too big and too cartoony. I want something more akin to this for my felinids.
>>66729386>It is a little bit like saying that being hardworking and dutiful is an Asian trait and say that being a workaholic with no emotional expression is toxic Asian-nessyou mean like the stereotype of the asian parents who push their kids to be the best and if they ever aren't, even if it's just second place, they're still a failure? sounds like a fit
>>66729386See but that's not inherent to Asian. It causes divide when you're trying to help them.And then promotes supremacy.Much like calling something Jewish because it's money grubbing. And then all those people that think that it is all the jews doing such things.
>>66729403No, it stems from the guys who need to cry about how they are being oppressed because how shit things are for others isn't something that can be easily ignored.I mean, Americans pretended for decades that things were just fine for blacks, asians and native americans in their own country, even as they slid towards destitution.Hell, blacks in America haven't had it so good as they had in 1869, when they actually had representation within the gov't, owned land and successful businesses.
>>66729321I don't know how many times I've had to explain this already and I would hate to have to do it yet again because I don't know if you are asking in good faithIf you'd like we could do away with gender roles altogether, honestly that might help
>>66729422>cute human cat girls that bring you dead xenos on your doorstepI need this in my life
>>66729376I-I actually think that's neat. Anyone have pics of the handsome squidward heads on an actual model?
>>66729422I like how the commissar seems used to this>Yes Misha, that's a very nice corpse
I don't know about you guys but I would rather die than ask for help with my bullshit fuck that.also what are you working on /40kg/
>>66729403Says the guy who opened his entry into the conversation by calling the other person a faggot lolI thought we epic 4chan boys were supposed to not care about words
>>66727224Thing is I would rather gw create a wave of fake painting hype and have loads of people do low table top standards than continue to watch and play against grey tides. Literally the biggest blocker to games in many areas is people buy shit. Never paint it. Get disheartened at the effort and never play again. It's fine to see a thriving tournament scene with painted models but local metas often aren't anywhere near that. Yeah it's not Ideal to have dipped level paint jobs, but it's going to help alot of smaller gaming areas by allowing new players to come in and stay
>>66727525Who have been sent them for free by GW and therefore their opinion is severely compromised.
>>66729488You’re implying I wrote that, fag, but you’re wrong.
>>66729465>I won't admit it, I'll just side step it>let's just remove all gender so I dont have to admit itOh my god.I just realized why this push for racial diversity exists. It's because white guilt is forcing white people to hide their past under a multi colored blanket. "If whites dont exist theyre not racist"
>>66729484And that is the reason men commit suicide at a much higher rate than womenAssembling my backlog of Orks to blast through them later, hopefully
>>66729438>>66729443Yeah, that's my point.>>66729449>Hell, blacks in America haven't had it so good as they had in 1869, when they actually had representation within the gov't, owned land and successful businesses.Aaand any possibility of a constructive discussion goes out the window. Hey, anyone wanna talk about how much Tau suck?
>>66729494>conspiracy theorist nutjob>they didn't pay for it, that means anything they say must be lies!>brb, new Alex Jones ft. Joe Rogan video out
>>66727525yeah and those people were invited by gw to sample the paints. some of them are even on the warhammer community blogshit
>>66729512It's also because men are more prone to act and can commit to things like killing themselves.But I guess commitment is toxic
>>66729516You better believe Tau suck my fellow anon.
>>66729488Wasn't me. I've been civil this whole discussion, but it pretty obviously isn't gonna lead anywhere.
>>66729516He's not wrong but wew boy does that topic lead to a dark path
>>66729517>why would essentially journalists give good reviews for products that they can receive earlyAnon.
>>66729516>Aaand any possibility of a constructive discussion goes out the windowWhy?It's a fact that Southern states passed a ream of legislation in the 1870s and 1880s to put darkie back in his place.The original gun control laws as we know them were passed in that time. Swaths of voter restrictions and mandatory sentencing laws.It's one of those topics Americans really like to avoid, it seems. A chance to do right cast away because FUCK NIGGERS was too stronk.
>>66729449>when they actually had representation within the gov't, owned land and successful businessesalright I'll biteare you saying they don't now
>>66729512>And that is the reason men commit suicide at a much higher rate than womenin the last month and a bit three dudes committed suicide in the area i live in. one was still in highschool and one was about 23 and had a kid, shit's fucked. i wish that we focused just a little dudes killing themselves during shit like highschool than exclusively being told about women not eating and feeling bad
>>66729570>why would experienced hobbyists rate or judge productsYour cynicism is your only actual argument.
>>66729580You're not wrong but we should drop it. We're already way off topic.
>>66729207Any of you gender studies drop-outs want to comment on this?
>>66729634sure anon whatever skull helmets for the skull helmet legion cool
>>66729634Well said anon. And to your question, rule of cool trumps all things. Rules are temporary but bad ass minis are forever.
>>66729600Comparatively, adjusting for population size?Not in the least.Especially at the state level, where you had whole city councils comprised of black statesmen. Atlanta is a strong example, especially during it's rebuilding.>>66729622Good or ill, it matters not for a dead thread.>>66729634A little too clean, you will have to have a good paintjob.
>>66729656>>66729658>>66729669Thank you, I will test it out later today and see what I think.
>>66729484Nothing. I finished my Wyches, repainted all my old base rims to unify my army and am now waiting on my Deepkin SC. I also have my friend's Clamavus to paint, but waiting for Contrasts to paint him. I do have a Raider to paint, but that's in the backlog of backburner projects.
>>66729484found a bike with legs on it from 10 years ago so I'm tossing up whether it's gonna be a bikelord or bikesorc
>>66727139This is correct.
I made an entirely flying necron list. How fucked am i?
>>66730638less fucked than grey knights
>>66729488Pols are the most easily triggered people that exist.