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Fun Is A Buzzword Edition

Previously: >>66696454

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often explain strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Statistically see what cards everyone else puts in their Commander decks.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by Commander color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

>Official search site. Current for all released sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>GOAT search interface and hi-res cards
http://scryfall.com

>TQ
What are your favorite counterspells? Do you have any interesting counterspell or control spice to share?
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>>66709363
>What are your favorite counterspells?
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>TQ
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>TQ

I like any counterspell that isn't 1) blue or 2) boring. I like ones like Arcane Denial or Memory Lapse where it's less of a "NO" but more of a "No, but.." or "Not right now"
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>>66709363
>TQ
Mine's gotta be Negate. Not because its a good card, because its generally shitty in EDH, but my playgroup was fucking around one day and we "signed" cards. My card ended up being a foil negate that had a quote on it: "Nice try". Brings back them good memories every time I see it
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>>66709375
This one does so much, I love it. Interrupts most combos, fizzles planeswalker ultimates, protects graves and can't be responded to.
>TQ
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>>66709491
How does Nix fizzle a planeswalker ultimate?
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Can someone explain to me how flusterstorm works on the stack and with player priority?
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>>66709521
Anon was assuming the Ultimate let you cast cards for free, like Tamiyo Field Researcher
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>>66709363
>TQ
fuck all yall blueballed-ass nigga s
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>>66709529
>Playing Flusterstorm in commander
Why
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>>66709521
>>66709540
He's talking about Trickbind.
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>>66709559
I see that now, but that's definitely not how his reply looked
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>>66709363
Fuck your sol ring
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>>66709551
>Playing a card originally printed in a Commander product in that format
I'm not necessarily saying it's the best idea, just that it's a defensible one.
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>>66709363
>TQ
I love enchantments that counter spells. They sit there on the board, discouraging your opponents from doing anything because each one is hoping that the other two will eat the counter.
And, now, I especially love recurring them with Hall of Heliod's Verbosity in response to Narset's attack trigger.
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>>66709529
It's not that complicated.
1.) You cast Flusterstorm, targeting an instant or sorcery.
2) Flusterstorm gets put on the stack. A storm trigger gets put on the stack. Priority passes around. This would be a chance to play something like Stifle or Trickbind to remove the storm from the stack.
3) Priority comes back to you. You put each stormed copy on the stack, each having to target a legal flusterstorm target.
4) Priority passes around with each flusterstorm instance, giving every player priority before it resolves.
5) If the 1 colorless wasn't paid for any one instance orthe spell gets countered for any other reason, the remaining flusterstorm copies fizzle at the time they would resolve.
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>>66709551
The TQ was talking about counters and it made me think but I don’t quite understand how storm worksmuch less with the p1 clause.
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>>66709621
So even if I negate the original the storm still happens right
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>i attack anon for 9
>i guess ill take it, 9 isnt that bad
>IN RESPONSE TO ANON ATTACK BEFORE DAMAGE I CAST THIS

how do you respond?
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I've been digging Rethink lately, it just hoses any big bombastic card unless they have absurd mana and if it's gotten to that point, game's probably over anyway.
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>>66709620
>Solemnity
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>>66709666
>Satanic trips check
You fucking lose it what happens. Anybody playing infect in commander is fucking cunt

t. fucking cunt
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>>66709363
I love all "free" spells. I also use all off-color counterspells I can, since in EDH they can really surprise your opponents. The three white ones are my favourites:

Mana Tithe
Dawn Charm
Lapse of Certainty
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>>66709666
I feed the chaos
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>>66709661
Yes, the original flusterstorm gets counterd (a shit deal though, since you could've just payed 1), but the remaining copies get put on the stack after your negate resolves.
Notably, this doesn't increase the storm count, since it only counts spells cast before it gets put on the stack.
>702.39a Storm is a triggered ability that functions on the stack. “Storm” means “When you cast this spell, copy it for each other spell that was cast before it this turn. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any of the copies.”
Usually it's pretty intuitive, it only gets mindfucky when targets get reselected or a flusterstorm counters another flusterstorm.
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>>66709666
i forgot this existed; thanks for reminding me
gonna put that on my shopping list now
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>>66709714
Deflecting Palm deals the damage, though, not the creature with Infect.
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>>66709363
>tq
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>>66709363
>Well Timmy, looks like your big creature belongs to me now
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>>66709867
This is great, countered the duskmantle guildmage against phenax,he had mindcrank, mesmeric orb and paradox engine
I finished two other guys with the combo and he killed himself untaping with engine
good day
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>TQ
Mana Tithe is fun for the surprise the first time you pull it out, and the mind games once they know you have it. Lapse of Certainty fills a similar role. I love mono-white.
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>>66709363
Not technically a counterspell, but this guy has been my bro since I first saw him.
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>>66709750
Who'd be a good commander for Esper Treasure? Between this, Smothering Tithe, Revel in Riches, and Annointed Process; this seems like a fun deck.
Maybe Breya so I also get Brass's Bounty and Storm the Vault? Plus, she can use treasures for her sac effects.
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>>66710025
Sounds like you answered your own question
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>>66710025
If you want to avoid Breya try Akiri, Line-Slinger & Silas Renn, Seeker Adept.

You will smash face for a ton with Akiri
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>>66710025
Always bet on Breya.
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>>66709666
I run this in every deck I can. No one ever expects it and when they do they start to not just take 9 dmg whilly nilly
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>>66709521
>>66709540
>>66709570
Since his >TQ
is in the end of his post, I think it should be obvious. First comes his reply and then his input on TQ.
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>>66709363
>TQ
Pic related or Stifle, I'd say. I also like Voidmage Husher, but that's lower, since I love Torpor Orb more.
I also love Dovescape so much that it's unreal.
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>>66709666
cool
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First and final reminder that Tumblr's Most Hated Lesbian is ending her sheckle sweepstakes for pretty cardboard in 2 days.
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>>66710248
>reached the 17 more tokens tier
>its just a higher quantity in the token sets themselves
i expected new tokens, not just more im kinda dissapointed
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>>66710306
They made it very clear that was the case in their communications. It's also for the best, given how much time it would add to the fulfillment date to add another seventeen pieces.
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>Responding to a boardwipe by chording in Khamal and turning everyone elses lands into creatures
ehehehehehehehehehehehe nothin personnel
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>>66710333
yeah probably i didnt read too much of it
i still backed like 110$ just to get two foil token sets and a playmat though
It's gonna save me buying a lot of tokens in the future, it's some good shit
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>>66710341
>someone responds to my boardwipe with Teferi's Protection
>Narset's Reversal the boardwipe back on top of the Protection
Blissful
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>>66710306
same fampai
I wanted a new Goat for my springjacks
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>>66710354
>110$ just to get two foil token sets and a playmat though
But the $89 backer tier is one foil token set and any two of
>nonfoil token set
>foil token set
>playmat
You're in for $20 more than you need to be
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>>66710404
you said it youself one of those are nonfoil, i need that shit pimped out.
also 10$ of that is shipping, i picked the 60 dollar pack and plan to addon another foil set
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>>66709666
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>>66710404
>>66710427
Do the foil and nonfoil tokens have the same backside? It appears that one set has black/hold and the other white/gold
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>>66710427
>a foil token set and any two of
>>foil token set
You can get two foil token sets from the $89 tier.
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>>66710529
no its a foil set and any two of:
nonfoil set, playmat and/or print
you can't choose foil again since its not part of the choice part
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>that feel when you cast triumph of the hordes in Doran
Nothing sweeter than killing an entire table with a bunch of fucking tree butts.
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>>66710455
this is actually cute as shit
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>>66710563
Look the comments, you can even have 3 foil sets with that tier
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>>66710306
>>66710373
The exclusions that feel egregious to me are
>0/1 Goat
>1/1 Servo
>Demon of literally any size
>3/1 Elemental
>1/1 Merfolk
>2/2 Bear
>1/2 Spider
>Treasure
>Energy Counter "Zone"
Which would only be another eight. Beyond those, you get into tokens that are only made by one or two cards, tokens that are only minor variations on already-included tokens, and Magic originals like Slivers and Saprolings--which make sense to exclude for copyright reasons.
As much as I'd love to see Terese do a Cat Dragon token or a Satyr token which you know would be almost pornographic, they did manage to hit a lot of the most common tokens.

From my perspective, the weird INCLUSIONS are
>1/0 Elemental
>Emblem Seriously, if you have multiple walkers in your deck, this one stands to actually just be confusing.
>1/1 Human Cleric
>1/1 Human Wizard
>Storm Counter Unlike poison and energy, you don't accumulate these across turns
>2/2 Soldier with lifelink I don't think there's actually a card that makes these.
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>get mana screwed all game
>turn 6 eek out enough mana for a kozilek's channeler
>everyone at the table focuses me to death then and there
>person to my left had all but one of his combo pieces in place on board
>goes off on his turn and wins
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>>66710708
that last one is a typo iirc
its actually just a 1/1 Soldier w/ Lifelink
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>>66710658
Shit yeah you're right
thanks dude, sorry i doubted you

>>66710708
I find it wierd they decided to have 4/4 dragons but not 5/5 or 6/6, since i'm pretty sure 4/4 dragons are much rarer than anything else
but yeah some of the token choices are wierd as all hell
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>>66710755
>thanks dude, sorry i doubted you
No problem, I actually checked it again earlier in the day because I wanted to add a playmat to my pledge and looked for the least expensive one (89$ for nonfoil set + foil set + playmat + 10$ shipping is the least)

>i'm pretty sure 4/4 dragons are much rarer than anything else
Actually, they are the second most common, right behind the 5/5 ones
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>>66710755
>dragons
Eh, I'd say 4/4 is a defensible call. WotC can't seem to decide themselves whether they want the standard Dragon token to be 4/4 or 5/5
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>>66710755
4/4 dragon tokens have recency by way or the new Sarkhan
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>>66710841
It wouldn't be surprising if they picked 4/4 just because the most recent Sarkhan makes them.
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>>66710841
>>66710833
>Actually, they are the second most common, right behind the 5/5 ones
oh alright, i guess i'm biased since my playgroup plays alot of utvara hellkites and lathliss, dragon queen

>>66710851
makes sense they'd choose 4/4's now then, if it fits standard better i bet more people have use for them
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>>66710708
>>66710755
I mean, some are obviously "Terese wanted to draw this," like the 1/0 Elemental, but it still makes me hope that they do a second one of these in a year or two to mop up the tokens that they missed.
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>>66710455
>check Oracle
>it does have to be you specifically
Damn.
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>>66710902
I hope they do a second one, i'd absolutely back something like this again.
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>>66710926
This allows for the type of fuckery you desire but it's tragically outside of Sunforger's range
>tfw they Blasphemous Act for {R}
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>>66710711
Anon, if your commander or whatever costs 7cmc, they had every to blow you up because no one should be manascrewed at 5cmc.
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>>66709363
I own a copy of Mana Drain, and I traded a copy of Jace, The Mindsculptor that I had gotten from a box of Masters 25 for it. The gap between them has increased since then, and I don't regret it at all.
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>>66710708
lack of Manifest token was what got me.
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>>66709363
>TQ
definitely Manaleak; nothing more satisfying than watching Timmy tap every mana source to play something massive then cockblocking him
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I've made a Samut, Voice of Dissent deck and I swear to god it is winning more than any other deck I have ever played. WTF? I just land ramp and drop bombs and win, and I am not sure why this is working, but not Animar Combo or some other obscenity.
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This and Perplexing Chimera
Love taking little Timmy's big green creature and then swing it
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>>66709620
This plus Solemnity means your opponents can't cast spells, right?
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>>66711223
Unless your opponent makes their spells uncounterable.
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>>66711223
There are ways out of it but yes.
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>>66711223
No, they can cast however much they want. Just don't expect a lot of them to resolve.
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>>66709363
>Fun is a buzzword
It’s a buzzword when sheldon and his posse use it as a reason to ban sway of the stars and coalition victory but keep any number of uninteractive combos.
Hey, Sheldon. Multiple combo pieces do not make a deck fair when the color they’re played in has a fuckton of cheap counters
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>>66711252
>>66711261
>>66711279
Glorious Azorius!
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>>66711295
Hey anon, stop bitching about combos you do it every thread. Run removal you putz.
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>>66711295
A player not running a disruption package deserves to lose.
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>>66711329
I do run removal. I’ve literally been forced to play my white black control deck more often than any other because for me to even have a chance at having fun I need to be able to whittle away someone’s counters by spamming cheap removal, but as soon as I pop a blind obedience or runed halo to save myself, i’m The asshole to everyone at the table.
And like I’ve said a million times, I’m In favor of less bans. Fuck, I’m fine with sway being unbanned and you can obviously tell how much I dislike blue.
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>this little nigglet grows up to mend a plane
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>>66711373
Oh you're that moron who ran choke in his derpy elf deck and wondered why he got hated on.

Build better decks. Stop whining. Run disruption. Most importantly, PRACTICE AND TUNE YOUR DECK DUMB FUCK.
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>>66711442
>wondered why he got hated on
I mean, yeah? It’s a fucking card. I find infinite combos annoying but I don’t personally yell at the player over it.
Also, hard to tune your deck when you’re broke as shit and honestly the best response to blue combo cancer in green IS choke.
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post decent removal you are happy to see used even if its against your shit
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>>66711388
Looks like he'd be more likely to hijack a plane instead
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>>66711510
Not as a single card in your poorly optimized elfball deck. It's like running only winter orb; all you're going to do is piss people off without winning the game. I saw your list, cultivator of blades-chan, where's your Wirewood symbiote and triumph of the hordes? Find new people to play with if they suck, or get a better attitude and a better deck. It's not difficult.
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>>66711573
>>66711510
What elf deck are you talking about?
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>>66711596
I have a photographic memory and this anon has complained before.
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I didn’t realize this bad boy was so cheap

Is it bad form to put in Blood Moon effects into your edh deck
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Five mythic rares from my box of Modern Horizons and none of them were the First Sliver I wanted. Morophon is neat though so I might put it in my Sliver deck.
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>budget zombie tribal is becoming impossible because the staples keep going up
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>>66711638
It's best form. Nonbasic hate is the patricians choice, and I personally run as many of those effects as I possibly can.
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>>66711643
I know that feel, I also desperately need a 6th 5c commander for my deck
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>>66711573
You’re quite autistic, you know that? I bought that deck for like 10 bucks off a friend who didn’t want to play it anymore and traded him about 40 dollars worth of cards. I don’t play it enough to justify changing it. And choke is completely fine if it makes blueniggers like you upset
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>>66711643
Can't complain when you get that lucky with mythics but I know what you mean. I'm getting three (3) boxes and I hope I can manage to get First Sliver, Urza, and Yawgmoth.
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>>66711766
Fampai, a single hate card does nothing but piss people off and make you lose the game. Run more hate, or less, stop being dense.
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>>66711169
Haste in EDH is extremely powerful. People like to think they have a rotation to deal with your shit so they get greedy with their mana.
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>>66711638
you can do whatever you want but i don't run blood moon cause i want people to have fun playing with me. if people don't like playing with you they will stop inviting you to things.
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>>66711667
I run it. Sometimes I just want to not get fugged by Ancient Tomb anymore
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>>66711169
She's always been a powerful card for the format. That was never doubted.
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>>66711169
samut is really good. i've seen her multiple times and she is always impressive. she doesn't draw that much hate either.
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>>66711824
You obviously don’t really remember by deck then because it has artifact and enchantment hate as well
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>>66711517
Red version for Artifacts fucking WHEN
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Anyone want some Chandras?
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>>66712046
They would never print it because of modern. As cool as bolting someone and blowing out affinity would be, they just won't bother
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>>66711998
>I'm not going to post my list but I will lecture you about it
No, removal isn't hate. Stony Silence is hate. Eat a dick, I'm happy your playgroup knows you're a little shit too. At least I bring snacks.
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>>66712139
Commander Products mite b cool enough to do it
also lel who cares about Affinity
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>>66712127
A little weird their only overlap is that they all mention elementals, but not bad. Would be good for any Chandra tribal players.
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>>66712127
>Horizons isn't even released yet and we get this

Meh, I am at least glad they are keeping uncommon walkers and static abilities, maybe they will finally feel like part of of the game instead of a weird add on. Other permanent types they added like equipment don't feel awkward, maybe it's because they had them as commons from the start.
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>>66711518
Nigger, not Arab dumbass
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>>66712127
Are we getting three of each Jacetice League members? Even more baby jaces running around.
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>>66712127
>>66712292
>We're cutting down on the Gatewatch
>Print 15 cards for the Gatewatch in M20
Believable.
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>>66712292
>>66712338
core 2020 is all about chandra, like how 2019 was all about bolas. so no, we're not getting the rest of the gatewatch like this.
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>>66712338
Just Chandra dude
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>>66712365
>>66712380
Thank god. Hopefully we get another based Baral card.
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>>66712227
DisdainForPlebs.jpg

Planeswalkers were a big mistake and War planeswalkers were the biggest planeswalker mistake since they were introduced. Their power level is nonsense now and they're tearing up Vintage for fuck's sake.
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>>66710361
>could just steal the Protection
>decides to stay for the show
Good move brother, you can't be crowned King of the ashes if you didn't live to see the world burn
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>>66712365
>>66712380
So that means the other planeswalkers will have something to do with Chandra, right? So obviously we're going to need her knife-eared lesbian lover in the Green spot. Maybe Bob-Nixilis in Black if they don't want to make the whole thing just the Gatewatch? If that's the case, who's White and Blue? Maybe Dovin in one of those?
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>>66712127
Wake me up when it's three Jaces.
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>>66712572
Tezzeret, Future Sight style card for her dad
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>>66712572
Honestly, Jaya would make a lot of sense if there weren't already 3(+1) red walkers.
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>>66712572
core sets usually have 4-5 planeswalkers. it's possible we just won't see a ton of other walker characters represented.
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>>66712721
I'm assuming at least one for each color.
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>>66712442
>Tearing up vintage
You mean like the cards that have been in the game since alpha? I am saying Planeswalkers don't belong, them tearing up vintage is a closer sign that they are acting more like the original permanent types. You know, since literally every other permanent type has seen vintage even though walkers have been out for a decade and they hadn't until now.

This is a good thing, they aren't going away so the best you can hope for is a successful (if very delayed) integration.
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>>66713110
I'm talking about the format Vintage (aka Type 1). Planeswalkers have been played since the second set they were printed in (Tezzeret) and then Jace and Dack became commonly played cards but right now the new Karn and Narset are massively played and they're backbreaking unfun cards. They need to be immediately countered or destroyed or the game is over and that is bad design.
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>>66712227
>and static abilities
Sort of, "can't be countered" doesn't really do anything on the battlefield.
It's a shame, because I really liked the "static/triggered, + ability, and - ability" model a lot more than ults.
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>>66712572

Not a planeswalker, but I'd like a baral reprint.

I have mine already, but he's fun in standard.
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>>66713311
Karn being both a stax piece and a wincon is way too silly.
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>>66713372
These types of stax effects should be never be one sided at such low costs. If the static effects were symmetrical they'd be fine.
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>>66713372
>>66713421
>feel like Karn will inevitably get banned in at least one format
>have a Mycosynth Lattice from playing back when it came out
>really like the card, but the price spike is insane
>if I sell it before he gets banned and then the price drops, I could buy another copy with the money I got for the original while still having gain left over
>if I sell it and he doesn't get banned I'm probably just fucked
Can't decide
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>>66713468
If he doesn't get banned then it will get retprinted.
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>>66713468
He won't get banned. The combo isn't that effective in EDH.
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Gimme more dumb budget shit to add to this stupidity.
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>>66713734
He might get banned out of Modern, which would probably hit Lattice's price down a peg or two.
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>>66713734
what?
How is "play two cards no one can do anything now" not strong in EDH unless everyone at the table has counters ready to stop it?
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>>66713885
Bruh, people can still attack, and combos like lattice+ vandal blast have been in this format way longer. In modern it isn't even the most back breaking thing to do for 10 Mana, Tron has a lot of other options.
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>>66713885
No wishboard.
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How many cards would you need to make energy mechanic viable? Not as a main focus of the deck but as a side strategy. Thinking of adding a bunch to my yawgmoth deck as a proliferate target.
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>>66713961
Some of them are self contained and don't need help, like the demon of shady schemes.

That being said, most of the black energy cards are garbage in EDH, so just run the handful of good ones, if it turns out bad then just cut them. It's not like they are expensive
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>>66713639
>rereturn to mirrodin
>lettuce, trinisphere, aether vial, and mesmeric orb reprinted
Fuck investors
Still regret not buying up Vedalkan Orrerys when they were cheap as shit when I knew they were amazing in EDH and the format was only getting more and more steam
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>>66711638
>running blood moon when you can just destroy all lands
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>>66713885
You don't have a sideboard in edh so it is a 2 card combo instead of a 1 card combo.
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>>66714014

Aiming for some of the the artifacts as well mostly the ones where when you do something you get a counter and when you get a counter do x. Currently have around 10 energy related cards
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>>66713848
Is this a joke?
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>>66714370
You think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and have fun?
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>>66714393
Gentle reminder.
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>>66714393
>>66714431
41 lands?
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>>66714370

It's a fun jank budget deck, welcome to EDH.
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How do I win with him lads? Aristocrats? Aetherflux? I'm afraid of cards like Grave Betrayal because my group is hostile to steal your shit
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>>66713848
Cut back to 36 lands and go up to about 8-10 rocks.
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>>66714695
>8rack in EDH
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>>66712605
Weak. Play 5c superfriends or fuck off.
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>>66714644
Big Mana and drain spells like every other monoblack deck. Bonus with him you can replay them.
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>>66714714
>5c superfriends
What kind of jank shit is this. Who's gonna be the commander? Why the FUCK would you need red?
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>>66714715
Yeah, I'm just afraid of people feeling a chunky exsanguinate from a cabalstronghold or Bubbling Muck will be an unfun way to end the game. I have a casual playgroup.

I'm hoping I can sneak in a win a yard for Instants/Sorceries and Rune-Chanter's Pike
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>>66714829
If you have a casual playgroup no way of ending the game will be fun unless they use it and win with it, then it becomes fun.
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So when do they print this but with "target player's" library
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>>66714900
In 1996.
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>>66714900
Soldier of Fortune
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>>66714955
I want this as a red instant cantrip to mess with all the imperial seals and whatnot. Red needs some more weird tricks.
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>>66714965
>red
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>>66714900
>>66714955
>>66714965
Although, do keep in mind that shuffling a library is defined as "randomizing the cards within it so that no player knows their order." Why is this important? Because if no player knows the order of a library and you tell that player to shuffle, they don't physically have to do anything, so if you try to troll someone by having them shuffle 20 times in a row, that person can just shuffle once and give you a blank stare for the next 19 resolutions. You'll need some way of keeping part of the library known to force them to physically shuffle repeatedly.
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>>66715020
Psychogenic probe and such tell you to fuck off and that you are wrong. Furthermore shortcuts can only be used if they are agreed upon by all players. If you don't want to shuffle your library twice every time you resolve a green sun's zenith maybe you should scoop to soldier of fortune.
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>>66715110
You misunderstand. The shuffle event still happens, so Psychogenic Probe will still trigger, but the player doesn't have to physically shuffle their cards. If the deck was already sufficiently randomized, they've done their duty to ensure that it's sufficiently randomized without even touching it.
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>>66715143
Reread my post, specifically the bit about shortcuts.
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>>66715191
The thing is, it's not even a shortcut. Because there's no one universal action of "shuffling", the literal definition is:

>701.19a To shuffle a library or a face-down pile of cards, randomize the cards within it so that no player knows their order.

So when you go to shuffle a library, you just have to ask:
>Does any player know the order of any cards in this library?
If the answer is no, you're already done.
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>>66710455
I fucking love this spell
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>>66715110

>d-damage your cards or else scoop!!!
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>>66715220
You can also just cut it a single time to shut up the whiners.
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How do you flex on strangers, /edhg/?

>have a janky maelstrom wanderer snake charmer combo deck I threw together with spare foils
>never wins but it's hilarious when you brainstorm/dream cache the perfect set up for ol' zappy tornado dick
>Death to the Debtless playmat, purple hypermatte sleeves because fuck it
When people get uppity I bust Teferi with only gold boarder islands and foil Stax pieces
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>>66715344
What's the point of waving your dick around?
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>>66715386
I'm Italian, it's literally the national past time. Not waving your dick around to prove you're better than people is an identical flex.
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>>66715344
A deck that's all foils, only old frame
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>>66715418
Eh.

Feeling the need to show off to strangers is a sign of weakness.
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>>66715300
Who said anything about damaging cards, pile shuffle for all I care. It's supposed to be a time wasting meme, and it does work.
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>>66715220
You are only doing half the job there. It tells you to do two things. It tells you to randomize it and it tells you to make sure no players know the order. You must still randomize it again. Not knowing the order is to prevent cheating (for instance, shuffling face up, or pile shuffling in a pattern)
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>>66715460
>I, the most humble team member, have no need for such gaudy trappings, because strength come from within, and as the strongest team member I must also be the most powerful
Damn son, you probably have some Amish budget deck in penny sleeves with a bath mat.
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>>66715494
My mistake normally when I see people talking about the shuffling meme it's more for the damage your cards or concede part not for the time wasteing. Which despite what you think, it doesn't force a shuffle if the deck is already randomized
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>>66715494
It would not work in a tournament. Judges would rule against you for slow play.
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>>66715602
>Man that doesn't know what slow play is won't shut up

Actually the only person penalized in this instance would be the man shuffling, not the guy forcing the shuffle.
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>>66715573
Bruh, it tell you to do something, it says to randomize it. You must randomize it again. No player knows the order so you can honestly just cut it and that would follow you performing that action as other anons have said, but making sure no player knows the order is only half the instruction my dude.
If I gotta link a dictionary definition of randomize I will, but I can tell you right now its a verb. You have to do something.
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>>66715549
>Randomization is defined as bringing the library to a state where no player can have any information regarding the order or position of cards in any portion of the library.

The problem with instructions about randomization and shuffling is that there are dozens of different ways to mechanically process the action, which necessitates writing the rules in as vague of terms as possible. Randomization doesn't actually have any associated physical action that is required to happen, because they can't concisely outline a set of actions that could be considered a comprehensive definition of what a player would have to do to randomize the deck. So, if by doing literally nothing, your library has been brought to a state where no player could have any information regarding it, then you have randomized it.

It's an example of rules lawyering that you can use to avoid getting dicked around, as opposed to rules lawyering usually being used to dick someone around instead.
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>>66715729
>If I gotta link a dictionary definition of randomize I will, but I can tell you right now its a verb. You have to do something.
The issue with that is that Magic isn't written in English, it's essentially a programming language that shares a lot of words with English. Dictionary definitions are irrelevant, because the rules of the game define what words mean in the context of Magic and it doesn't always line up.
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>>66715559
Not at all.

Just don't feel the need to show off. A strong deck and a strong player will show better than all the boasts in the world.
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>>66713848
New Ob Nixilis and Psychosis Crawler come to mind
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Off-colour fetches and the new vista. Are they worth it for a mono colour deck or just for try hards?
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>>66715869
Fetches in mono-color stuff are only really worth it if you can abuse them entering and/or leaving the board, so shit like Titania or Azusa+Crucible.
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>>66715869
i run about 4 fetch effects in mono-color decks that have top or scroll rack.
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>>66715869
>>66715907
They also play well with Brainstorm, Jace the Mind Sculptor, Scroll Rack, etc. So yes, definitely just for try hards.
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>>66715785
Magics uses English to define shuffle you retard. Shuffle then becomes one of those programmer phrases.
>>66715754
You must randomize it, the rules instruct you to both randomize it and make it so that no players know the order.

If someone told you to randomize a deck, but do so in a way that you know the order, would you then proceed to just look at the cards and do nothing? No, you would have to randomize it, perhaps by shuffling it face up. Stop acting like an ESL to avoid cutting your deck.
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>>66715559

I want to bring a bath mat to play on...
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>>66715931
>You must randomize it
Yeah, and I just told you what randomizing it entails. It doesn't say you have to cut it, or even move a single card.
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>>66710248
Fuck off shill
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>>66715986
No, you contradicted yourself and I am waiting for you to notice. You said it was a mechanical action and also said you do nothing physical, it can't be both.

Also by your definition I can (as a third party) hand my friend a perfectly stacked deck. As long he doesn't know the order and you don't know the order it follows your definition of shuffling, as I am not a player and neither of you know the order.

Except that's clearly not how it works and you are a retard.
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>>66715819
>he doesn't show up like motherfucking Dio talking about secret techniques and mystical synergy from the Orient
Worst comes to worst, you're the Jagen and everyone loves to hate you. In reality, confidence and competence will win you more dosh than either independently.

>>66715975
Old boring kitchen placemats are ultimate vintage swag. Remember, real playmats are a relatively recent invention.
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>>66716064
>You said it was a mechanical action and also said you do nothing physical, it can't be both.
I said there were dozens of different ways to mechanically process the action, meaning dozens of different methodologies for shuffling. For someone so eager to crack open a dictionary, you're a little quick to ignore when there's more than one definition on a page.

Your friend hasn't done due diligence to ensure that the deck has been sufficiently randomized. We're talking about operating from a point where sufficient randomization has already been established.
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>>66716106
Having never seen JoJo, I don't get this reference.

To be more than a little pretentious, I'm a big fan of Nietzsche. Strength does not come from words or fanfare, but from action and will.

To put it another way, a more contemporary man said: "Real gangstas move in silence and violence."
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>>66716064
Even I can tell that he meant it was an 'action' in the GAME mechanics.
That is to say, in the same sense that passing priority is an action - it's only actually mentioned when it becomes relevant.
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>>66715020
>>66714955
So give me a combo with these two so I can infinitely force someone to shuffle
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>>66710248
>Faeries don't look like Lorwyn Faeries.
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>>66712046
Reminder that this card is a set of cards showing a Victorian style plane where death is always in vogue that has yet to be printed
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>>66716167
>Your friend hasn't done due diligence to ensure that the deck has been sufficiently randomized
Except you just said it's not a mechanical action to randomize. You can't have it both ways.
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>>66716221
Honestly. The art isn’t that good and the fact she keeps shilling it is pathetic.
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I love gold cards but hate planewalkers.
What do I play?
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>>66716183
>my fucking sides
Did you unironically quote Nietzsche like a first year? In the paraphrased words of muh boi Antonio Gramsci: "Bitch don't be trifling. A real Prince is worth 10,000 fake ass motherfuckers who think politics is a game of defining what it means to be smart. The trick is figuring out who got game, who playin', and who know they got game."
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>>66716236
>Randomization is defined as bringing the library to a state where no player can have any information regarding the order or position of cards in any portion of the library.

>where no player can have any information
Basically, you're presenting a situation where the player could have information. That player and you claiming that the player in question has no information is irrelevant, because obviously you could be lying. The player has to bring it to a state where they could not have any information, which means that just taking it as-is from someone else isn't sufficient.
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>>66715754
>In most cases, if you own Green Sun’s Zenith and cast it, you’ll shuffle your library twice (2016-06-08)

Retard
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>>66716238
>elementals and spirits are just people.
>Monoarch is a trace of a famous bust.
I feel like some of these are just extra paintings she had laying around.
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>>66716340
And yet white knights here collectively shill and cream over it when it’s basically a lack of creativity if you don’t have your own custom tokens.
>inb4 “anime girl tokens?”
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>>66715869
try hards
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To the anon who's been mentioning Duel commander what commander do you play?
I really like the format and was looking to make a Clique deck. But no one in my area really plays, I've got all the cEDH and casual as it goes EDH I want, but no 1v1 Singleton.
I really like Legacy Standstill and wanna make a control deck like that.
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>>66716339
That's irrelevant to what I was saying. You're changing the order of cards in the library twice, so obviously you'll shuffle twice, and unless an opponent lets you shortcut it, you'll physically manipulate your library twice. Either way, it'll be two shuffle events for cards like Psychogenic Probe. If you think that's a rebuttal to anything I've said, it means you aren't paying close enough attention.
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>>66716418
I've mentioned it so maybe you mean me. I've been using Gaddock Teeg. Deck is just GW hatebears/value. Looking to get a Green Sun, Dryad Arbor, and Kraul Harpooner soon.
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>>66716376
>>66716439
If you think that was a rebuttal to anything I've said, you're not paying close enough attention.
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>trying to pick first commander
>consider Goreclaw cuz Turn Shit Sideways is cool
>remember that everyone is packing a boardwipe
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>>66716238
>The art isn’t that good
It's different from the cookie-cutter style WotC uses for everything. For that alone it's worth the money.
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>>66716541
>(Dead)
Yeah, for some reason it wasn't showing the post even after four minutes of waiting, so I posted again.

>If you think that was a rebuttal to anything I've said, you're not paying close enough attention.
Neither of the shuffles that GSZ instruct you to do will be happening at a point where the library is already sufficiently randomized. For the first one, you'll have searched it. For the second one, you'll have added a card to it (GSZ). There's no way to do either of those things without making some part of the library known, so it has nothing to do with a discussion about not having to physically manipulate a library that's already sufficiently randomized.
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>>66716575
>>66716238
>>66710248
I wanted to hate that art, all her bullshit looks the same. Then I saw that tail golden ratio and got pissed off because it had a modicum of thought and I couldn't hate it as much as I wanted. Fuck all the dickriders.
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>>66716276

Niz reborn and all the guild split cards
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>>66713885
>whine about 2 card "no one can do anything ever"-combos
>when there's literally six billion 2 card combos that just end games
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>>66716572
I run goreclaw in a control heavy meta. It’s pretty gud. You’ll want cards like heroic intervention and vines of vastwood
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>>66716692
There's a difference between "yeah I take infinite damage, time for game 2" and "okay, if I draw my one-of zero-cost spell I can blow up his combo piece and have a slight chance of winning".
Even if it's slightly less potent, bogging the game down and tripling the match length is quite possibly worse for the meta than flat-out winning on the spot with an identical amount of effort.
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>>66716672
>Niv-Mizzet Reborn
>literally the symbol and incarnation of the guilds working together
>non-bo with the gold fuse split cards from the set literally named after him and his first attempt to become said symbol and incarnation
Bravo, Wizards
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>>66716606
You are a collosal retard and he is a fucking troll.

>In most cases, if you own Green Sun’s Zenith and cast it, you’ll shuffle your library twice. In practice, shuffling once is sufficient, but effects that care about you shuffling your library (like Psychogenic Probe, for example) will see that you’ve shuffled twice.
(2016-06-08)

That's the actual ruling, now stop shitting up the thread.
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>>66716961
I don't think you understand the discussion. It's about the difference between shuffling as an ingame event and physically changing the order of cards in your library. Shuffle events will happen no matter what, but shuffle events don't necessarily require you to change the order of your cards 100% of the time, if they're already in a state where they're sufficiently randomized.
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>>66716929

Why won't it work with split fuse cards? Did they jamble split cards again or am I dumb?
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>>66716929

Oh derp. It works with all the new and the old old split cards
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>>66709666
Justice strike it for that hilarious amount of 10 -1/-1 counters
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>>66717074
As of Amonkhet, split cards are the combined qualities of both halves when they're not on the stack. So, Beck//Call is no longer a card that is both UG and UW, it's UGW, meaning it's not eligible for Niv's ability. It also fixed the interaction where the fact it was both CMC 2 and CMC 6 let you abuse it with certain cards.
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is it greedy to include the 0-mana artifact creatures in Yawgmoth? they were really good in Razaketh, but in Yawgmoth they're definitely a step down in terms of power.
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>>66717163
It turns them into better than street wraith cyclers if you have your commander out, but then you can flood on mana badly because you don't actually want to reduce your land count because you still need to get to 4 before then.

I wouldn't
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>>66717163
I don't think they're worth it, unless you also have other ways of abusing the fact they're CMC 0. They're too dead if you don't have Yawgmoth, which also means they're always dead cards in the early game before you could cast Yawgmoth to start with.
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>>66717248
that was my thought process, yeah.

>>66717269
her and things like Pitiless Plunderer and Pawn of Ulamog were why i was considering them, and also why i'd call them a greedy inclusion

you guys are right, i can do better. thanks!
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>>66717152

Yeah isochron scepter....

So what happens with life and death and the other split cards that are mono on each side but now count as both...?

They need to make an isochron scepter for sorcery.
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>>66717304
niv can get those, yeah
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>>66717304
They did. It's banned.
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>>66717304
what >>66717329
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>>66717304
One thing that's fun is that you can still cast Failure off of Sunforger if you really want to.
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>>66715418
I thought being a dick was the italian national passtime
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>>66716575
You can say that about 99% of what people draw
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>>66717412
First you be a dick, then you wave your hands while talking, and then that counts as waving your dick. Easy.
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>>66717371
If it worked like Isochron Scepter, where it came out and got one chance to imprint, and could only be CMC 2 or less spells, it wouldn't be banned.

But because it can grab any instant or sorcery in your hand and copies it for free each upkeep, it most certainly deserves to be banned.
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Who is the best budget mono-black commander for zombie tribal?
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>>66717453
It's not banned for being too powerful, it's only banned because you can just stick an extra turn spell under it and take infinite turns. It's one of those RC bans where it's banned because they don't like the idea of it rather than because it's truly oppressive.
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>>66717462
i like black mike
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>>66717462
Ghoulcaller Gisa is great
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>>66717462
Depends on how much of your budget you're willing to devote to your commander. Mikeaus is worth every cent of his $20 pricetag, but some people's idea of budget might be that entire $20.

If you want a commander that's budget too, Josu Vess is pretty good. You can use Black's generous mana production to instantly vomit out an army with Josu at the helm.
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Sorob Fren
Reverse this, and follow the instructions
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>>66712127
>>66712127
I don't know why I liked Chandra so much. But I do. And this is gonna be fun. I've always had difficulty building around her though since most Chandras need a fair bit of Instant and Sorceries so just going ham on walkers never works. Anyway, wish the 6 mana one was cute like the other ones. Her uptick is my commander's ult, so whatever though.
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>>66717975
>I don't know why I liked Chandra so much.
Because the thought her and Nissa fuckin is hot
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>>66718025
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Is there any good reclamation sage variant you can run in mono white? Bonus points for being some sort of relevant tribe.
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>>66718025
tfw there will never be a hot mff gideon-nissa-chandra porno
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>>66716908
Eh, if no-one has any outs, such as creatures that can attack Karn or other stuff that consistently damages that player, the game is over and there's no real reason to play it out.
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>>66718131
>tfw you will never see Nahiri getting tortured by Sorin until she becomes his willing sex slave
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>>66718025
>someone taking advantage of a mentally handicapped elf
>hot
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>>66718131
There can be if you make it, anon! Go big on your dreams!
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>>66718103
war priest of thune basically
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>>66718053
>>66718025
I've liked her since before the slash became canon, but fair enough. I'll continue playing fucking ass awful monored control though. Least I can now afford to run Glacial Crevasses.
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>>66718294
I’d pay for this
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>>66718301
Not that anon, but I'm the one who did that eyelash edit.
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>>66718103
Do you need it to be a creature or just recurrable/flickerable? Act of Authority, Aura of Silence, Dispeller's Capsule are your best bet. Kor Sanctifiers is your only option otherwise, but it isn't a proper ETB.
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>>66717603
Thing is black's big black mana generator is Coffers and the thing costs like 50$ right now.
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>>66718301
Both Chandra and Nissa are fucking retards so it's a relationship between equals.
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>>66718403
you could use cabal cuckhold if you have lots of basics, which you could in mono b
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>>66718403
There's a couple ways to get Big Black Mana. Coffers is just king.
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>>66718449
Crypt is more of a UBG/BG/UB thing than a purely mono-B thing
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>>66718476
If you're playing mono-b Zombies, you're going to have a pretty high density of black creatures in your deck. It can be a bit harder to freely mill them, but it's still doable.
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Does death go on the stack? Can I cast reverse polarity in response to lethal damage dealt to me by an artifact?
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>>66718449
I like Nirkana Revenant with Urborg for some B ramp.
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>>66718518
Death? Not really, but what causes it, be it damage or ability, yes.
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>>66718518
Losing the game is a state-based action. It'll happen the next time a player would get priority after lethal damage has been dealt, and can't be responded to.
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>>66718516
Yeah, the big problem mono-B has is mass-dumping stuff in the yard, you've got Entomb, Buried Alive and couple other things but they're pure selection. Though there's that one Orb thing from OG Mirrodin that lets you mill yourself depending on the amount of lands you tapped that I think is really good for this.
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>>66718549
>>66718550
But what’s the point of reverse polarity if you don’t get to absolutely fuck over someone whacking you with artifacts for lethal?
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>>66718537
In the context of budget, it's also worth pointing out that she's at a pretty decent lowpoint. For a card that was once sitting around $25, the fact you can pick her up for a little over $5 is a steal.
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>>66718573
Flash out Angel of Grace in response to the damage that would be fatal.
Then slap out Reverse Polarity.
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>>66718622
>can't flicker her with Resto
i cry evry tiem
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>>66718177
But if it becomes relevant in the meta, sideboards will generally have an answer to it... but if they have fewer than four answers, they run into the possibility of not knowing whether they'll topdeck that single (or one of two, or one of three) card, or if it's at the very bottom of the deck.
Meaning it's still optimal to just sit there, playing draw-go until either they kill you or you draw that single card.
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What cards do I need to play to steal my opponent's creatures in mono green?
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>>66718926
You've got Helm of Possession and Willow Satyr, but that's it.
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>>66718926
If you can generate absurd mana, you can abuse Avarice Totem.
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>>66718926
Vedalkean shackles and Quicksilver fountain
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>>66710151
Has this been errata'd? I wasn't aware that creatures could do combat damage to their controller.
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Pauper EDH is the fucking BEST format
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>>66712127
The mythic version should just be Jaya and I'm upset that it's not.
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>>66719855
Oh man, Soul Barrier looks like some real spicy tech.
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>>66719250
>>66719319
>>66719465
Your expertise is appreciated. I thought I'd share my reasoning just in case someone was curious. I wanted to fully explore the possibility of playing a Grunn deck that can steal ... certain creatures from my opponents.
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>>66719888
I get what you're going but sadly living that King Kong dream is not gonna happen for as long as Maro is alive.
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>>66718926
Vow of Wildness isn't technically stealing, but it still helps beat your opponents' faces in.
Scythe of the Wretched counts if you put it on a fat blocker.
Ornate Kanzashi is stealing their creature *cards*, but has a lot of the same principles.
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>>66719855
Soul Barrier is a dope card but you have the garbage flavor text. which sucks because, like Primal Order, the good version of the card only exists in white border
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>>66719911
>sadly living that King Kong dream is not gonna happen for as long as Maro is alive.
I have no idea what you're saying.
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>>66709491
>can't be responded to.
it can be by some of the blue morph creatures, since morph doesn't use the stack.
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>>66719988
>king kong kidnaps people
>gorilla deck wants steal effects
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>>66713311
>Crying about the format where moxes are legal that walkers are ruining it

Keep crying grampa, stop playing your shit format and die already.
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>TQ
The colorless aspect is great and in the right deck, discarding your hand isn't always a drawback. I do like Warping Wail almost as much though.
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>>66719927
Yeah it breaks my heart too
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Need ideas for a new deck that is somewhat cheap. Going to Card Kingdom tomorrow with buddies and I want something janky.
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>>66720135
Mono-U counterspell tribal.
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>>66719250
Do note Avarice Totem not only takes a fuckton of mana (might as well go infinite to abuse it) but needs a bunch of permanents on your side to swap stuff around. You've gotta stack 'Swap Avarice with something you already control' -> 'Swap Avarice with something you don't control' to get it to bounce over to their side and then back to yours.
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>>66720109
>discarding your hand isn't always a drawback
While it isn't technically always, it's almost always. Which is alarmingly close to always.
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>>66719927
I actually disagree because I have always hated real-world quotations on Magic cards
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>>66720135
Werewolf tribal
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>>66720165
Fucking LED is a busted card that costs hundreds and it makes you set your hand on fire.
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>>66720165
If your hand is already empty or just one card, it's a colorless Negate. Which is good for the same reason Cycling is good.
Not every deck needs to be Simic Goodstuff 'Why can't I hold all these cards?'.
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>>66720135
Generic GB, UW, UG or UB things.
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>>66720165
you can discard a hand of 0 cards though. There's plenty of times I've been hellbent and this would've been useful.
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>>66720158
>>66719250
Your opponent can also spend five mana to fuck with it in response, with the end state of keeping their shit for half the price you spend.
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>>66720189
Can't wait for the LED Unset card where you literally have to set your hand on fire for 3 1/2 mana.
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>>66720229
Yeah, but I have a billion mana.
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>>66720229
Oh yeah it's absolutely jank, and turns into a Big Dick Mana Fight with it until someone blows it up or runs out.
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>>66709363
Submit to the greatest counterspell in the game
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>>66720637
Still not sure whetever I like his old or new version better as the general of a colorless deck.
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>>66720027
>morph doesn't use the stack
But wouldnt the ability that triggers upon morph go on the stack?
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>be poorfag
>keep selling EDH cards when they spike to pay for bills and shit
>simultaneously power down my decks which is leading to more losses but funnier games
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>>66720135
>white
That's a mexican
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>>66720724
Shhh, a lot of insecure /pol/fags don't realize exactly how many of the traits they find sexually attractive are more common in Latinas than in white women.
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>>66718804
Well, that's your misery, doofus. If you wait 20 turns for a single card, it's your loss. I'd rather start a new game than play draw&go.
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>>66720802
I explicitly don't find her attractive because she isn't white tho
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>>66720709
yup which means you can counter a trickbind with creatures like this
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>tfw just realized I can tutor Crucible in Mono-G by using any nonbasic land tutor to grab Inventor's Fair and popping it
The condition to activate it isn't even hard to achieve.
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>>66720709
Morph doesn't use the stack, triggers do. Split Second doesn't prevent triggers from happening when it's cast, or happen for some other reason.
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>>66720658
Distortion gives you something that's extraordinarily hard to come by in Colorless otherwise: Stack interaction. I'm not sure Annihilator is comparable.
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>>66720823
But at the tournament level, people are heavily incentivised to play out any chance they have.
And if the optimal strategy means grinding your game to a halt...
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>>66720913
>tournament level
>EDH
fuck outta here with that nonsense
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>>66720203
You shamed me by calling out my Simic Goodstuff deck, which hurt, but then I started brewing for it and I'm glad.
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>>66720913
That's true, but with strategy like that on tournament level usually just goes time. Unless you're talking about EDH tourney, in which case I shame you for not having answers. 10 mana lock gives you time to prepare.
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>>66720802
Maybe if you find obesity attractive, anon
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On the topic of morphs, can a manifested creature be flipped face up for its morph cost?
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>>66721051
yeah, if something was manifested but it has morph or megamorph, you can do that.
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>>66716000
>7 hours later
lel, have a reminder post fagoli
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>>66720658
This one is the better Commander.

The original Kozilek is the better card.
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>>66719855
Looks Spicy, I approve
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>>66721725
Raised $31,000 today. If it raises $21,000 tomorrow, it'll hit the last stretch goal before closing.
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Anafenza or Tymna/Sidar for Hatebear stax?
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>>66706302
>800.4a. When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game and any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end. Then, if that player controlled any objects on the stack not represented by cards, those objects cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time they left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who's still in the game.

If you give something away with Zedruu's activated ability then
>any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end
changes nothing since the effect ended when Zedruu's ability resolved. So whatever Zedruu gave them is exiled.
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>>66721875
Miss Anal.
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>>66721882
Wrong. All control-change effects are continuous without duration barring game's end. So when a player leaves, the effect finally ends and resolves as per 800.4
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>>66709551
>>66709475
>>66709586
Negate and Flusterstorm are extremely powerful counterspells in edh that should go in any core blue control/combo/stax deck I'd say.
Theyre like force of will or pact in the sense that they shine in more powerful metas, but they're still good all around.
Thinking negate is bad in edh just really astonishes me
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>>66719811
Nothing on Gathere to suggest errata, IIRC you can't attack uourself with a creature you control but damage can be redirected to a creature's controller in a few different ways
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>>66712127
Why is young Chandra stupid cute
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>>66712127
The rare and mythic are cool in the Incest Twins.
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>>66712127
Is it going to be one walker per pack or is it going to be fucky where you have an extremely minute chance of getting all three in one pack (One as the uncommon, one as your rare, and the last as your foil)
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>old lgs closes down
>all the cool players go with it
>last good player is having marital and financial issues so he hasn't shown up for weeks now at new lgs
>all that's left is shithead teenagers and retards
Would I be a shit person if I went to an lgs out of town to look for a new group?
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>>66722453
No, the idea behind supporting a lg with business is because you like the lg
If you didnt like it there why would you
It is what it is mate
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Is Daxos as fun as he seems?
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>>66722565
Why play daxos when this exists?
His main problem is that he is slow as fuck and 50% of the time you will hit a land that you cant even cast.
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>>66722636
>>66722565
and you have to play the spell on the same turn unlike thief
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Feather should have been Jeskai
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>>66722565
He's okay, my friend used to run a daxos deck a few years back but it suffered pretty heavily from the same problems a lot of commander focused decks face, only worse because no-one in our playgroup liked having their stuff pinched.

I never actually saw Daxos connect with someone despite playing 2 or 3 games with the guy, he just sat there playing azorius draw go, occasionally replaying Dax and then sighing when he ate it again.
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>>66722707
fag
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>>66722761
Woah, you really changed my mind with that hot opinion
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>>66722770
you're welcome :^)
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>>66722770
Are you saying you're not a fag?
But yeah, a Jeskai Feather could be cool, even though she was made to finally get a decent Boros commander.
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>>66722811
But really, whats the point of contention?
The only one I can see is it literally has no place in the set theme.
The fact she is an Angel accounts for white and red and her ability is totally blue red.
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>>66722824
>But yeah, a Jeskai Feather could be cool, even though she was made to finally get a decent Boros commander.
Yeah I get it, my complaint about the commander is she seems like she just plays too linearly, I mean she would play the same but she would get fun cards like brainstorm and other blue cards ect ect
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Izzet spelling slinging burn, can it be done without going infinite?



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