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>>66257866>you can make anything you want, designer-san, just so long as we can tell the meatheads that it's a Dragon.
>>66257866This one farts, because he couldn't hold his butte.
>>66257905>>66257900>>66257866The IS really started getting the hang of the 60-ton mook-mech as the years went by.
Periphery Mech Production
>>66258064I think we can all agree that someone out there should still be building mackies
Let's get comfy in here and move on from last thread.Thoughts on my militia company?Hunter Lance>Assassin ASN-21>Stealth STH-1D >Scarabus SCB-9A >Javelin JVN-10N Battle Lance>Crab CRB-20 >Watchman WTC-4M >Penetrator PTR-4D >Battle Hawk BH-K305 Fire Lance>Gallowglas GAL-1GLS >Banshee BNC-3S >Dervish DV-6M >Whitworth WTH-1
>>66258142>That clipDan Schneider?
>>66258064Last thread Xotl said he was increasing Awesome production for the Concordat and that we'll get some factories making -8Qs, backdated to the 3025 era.So why is it that the MOC and Ariguan Reach even exist, again? Nothing they have is capable of stopping one of our attacks. Bug mechs and Pikes and Vedettes against 4-company battalions of Thunderbolts and Awesomes? Please.
>>66258142So militia in the sense of pilot quality, then.I got the idea that militia companies were Mixed in composition more often than not. Is that just fanon?
>>66258142As NEA keeps saying, what's the context of your militia company?List your era, faction, predicted OPFOR, and game meta, please.
>>66258087>go to a random periph world>its just an abandoned factory world autonomously producing mackies a la factorio
>>66258186>leave it in the dead thread, anon>you're meeting the requirements for trolling outside of /b/
>>66258226Look at the "our". He's blatantly trolling, tossing b8 where he can. Stop fucking responding to him.
>>66258216Well, you have those factories like the Corean plant where you shovel bits of 'Mechs in one end and a factory-fresh Valkyrie pops out of the other.
>>66258207>So militia in the sense of pilot quality, then.How do you mean?>I got the idea that militia companies were Mixed in composition more often than not. Is that just fanon?It varies wildly. Some are mixed at the lance and company level, some higher. This is the mech company of a mixed battalion (one company of tanks, one company of infantry).>>66258211>As NEA keeps saying, what's the context of your militia company?Planetary defenses for a Lyran worlds in the Terran Corridor.>List your era, faction, predicted OPFOR, and game meta, please.FCCW to Jihad, Lyrans, OPFOR could be pirates, Dracs, Davions, or purple birds.
>>66258226>>66258240It's a serious question. How can CGL justify those factions existing when there's a nation-state right next door capable of taking on a Successor State in a straight fight? It doesn't make sense. They should have been conquered or wiped out long ago.
>>66258307yeah haha lets just throw some rocks at planets too while were at it hahafuck you
>>66258292>Planetary defenses for a Lyran worlds in the Terran Corridor.>FCCW to Jihad, Lyrans, OPFOR could be pirates, Dracs, Davions, or purple birds.OK, thank you. What you have is a force that is more of a front-line combat force, more than a militia force. Half your Hunter Lance, half your Battle Lance, and the Gallowglas in your Fire Lance are all units that would almost certainly not appear in any militia force, and definitely not all at the same time, until the start of the Jihad. The Scarabus, Stealth, Penetrator, Battle Hawk, and Gallowglas are all units that are less than 10 years old at the start of the FCCW. So's the Watchman, but that has the benefit of fluff very explicitly saying that it's being shipped to Fedcom militia units.Basically, it's a force list that's perfectly reasonable for a Fedcom front-line unit in 3062. Only, you're after a militia unit as per your original statement. I'm going to assume that you want to keep the Penetrator and Gallowglas, because hey, they're fun Mechs. Something more reasonable would look a lot like this:Hunter Lance>Assassin ASN-21>Stinger STG-3G>Javelin JVN-10N >Javelin JVN-10N Battle Lance>Penetrator PTR-4D >Griffin GRF-1DS>Watchman WTC-4M >Watchman WTC-4M Fire Lance>Gallowglas GAL-1GLS >Archer ARC-2R>Dervish DV-6M >Whitworth WTH-1This keeps your big fun upgraded units, but the vast majority of Mechs are still introtech, as befits a militia unit at literally every ponit in the storyline. Javelins and Griffin give you some Lyran flavor, and the Watchman says Fedcom. If you wanted more Lyran flavor, swapping the Dervish for another -1DS Griffin would also be appropriate, as that Mech is Lyran as fuck, one of the very first upgraded Lyran Mechs (old enough to be in a militia), and fits will in a Fire lance.
>>66258448The Banshee wouldn't fit? I feel like even in a militia unit an assault would be a must-have for Lyrans.
>>66258529Militia units shouldn't really have assaults except in specific units. They wouldn't be in an ordinary lance (they'd be in dedicated assault lances or command lances), and a Banshee is a bad fit in a fire lance in any case.
>>66258307>there's a nation-state right next door capable of taking on a Successor State in a straight fight?>things the Taurians legitimately believe>laughinghaseks.gifThe Capellan March could have easily soloed the Concordat. Even at its lowest ebb the CCAF was still better off. If the Taurians were worth a single damn in open combat, they wouldn't have been shat on from such a great height during Matador, or the Jihad in general.
>>66258595Don't take the bait, report the post. The problem isn't the post, it's the troll. He'll just trawl different bait over and over until he shits the thread.
>>66258662This presumes I haven't in the past. The mods are busy and unless something is blatant /pol/-tier shit, they let most things through. So we can either do it ourselves or let the memetic virus spread as the Medron Pryde strain has. Up to you, anon.
>>66258575The banshee and charger are explicitly the exception to the "militas don't have assaults" rule
>>66258595What balances things out for the Periphery is that they tend to face fewer threats and can pit a greater proportion of their strength against one major power. The five great houses have long-ass borders to worry about, and not much in the way of diplomacy..
>>66258435Cavenaugh II. Yet another world returned to the rightful Purple realm by that last, greatest scion of Marik, Duke Fontaine.
>>66258595>taking the baitdumbass
>>66258662>>66258702Because it's 100% impossible that anyone can actually have that opinion, it therefore must be bait.
>>66258709The Suns could respond with either most of the Crucis march, by shifting Crucis forces to the Capellan march and unleashing Capellan March units against the Concordat, or by moving small numbers of units from every March to form a task force.The AFFS by itself is literally like a hundred fucking regiments, and that's not counting the regiments of mercs they can hire at the drop of a hat.The Taurians are *not* the ones at a an advantage, relative or otherwise, in any confrontation between the two.
>>66258817If it isn't bait, it only deserves mockery.
>>66258825>The Taurians are *not* the ones at a an advantage, relative or otherwise, in any confrontation between the two.Pretty sure anon is talking about a theoretical matchup between the CCAF and TDF after the CCAF gets its shit pushed in by the Suns.In which case, I do have to agree that the TDF would have flattened the CCAF, given that the Capellans were using Vindicators in place of heavy mechs when they couldn't get Cataphracts, and the Taurians get the full range of introtech heavies and have more of them.
Oh, and before the Piranha Principle gets tossed out? That's something that works in theory, but not necessarily in practice. Let's keep in mind here that the Suns is fresh off stopping the Drac advance cold in the 4th SW with about a dozen regiments and curb-stomping them in the War of 3039. Going on demonstrated successes, and not even factoring in the Hanse effect, they need about 40 regiments to secure their borders. Send a third of what's left over and you easily get enough force to crush the Taurians.The Piranha Principle will work for the Capellans, Dracs, and FWL but the Lyrans and Suns are not subject to that logic because their neighbours can't legitimately threaten them.
>>66258909>and have more of themWrong. Despite repeated taurian meming, they've only made it to medium-weight average by the Civil War era and before that were even more heavily dominated by low-end machines.The Taurians make heavies, yes. They don't make, or field, anywhere *near* as many as the Taurian memesters would have you believe.
>>66258909The taurians could probably have seized the three or so capellan worlds they'd actually want during that era, yes, mostly because they could probably beat up any capellan unit on the border with the exception of the big MAC, and the CapCon couldn't afford to send the MAC after them. But in a bigger confrontation the capcon still outnumbered them 2:1 and would have defender's advantage*IF* the taurians launched a retarded full-on invasion, what they'd manage is taking a few worlds, and beating themselves ragged while weakening the CCAF enough for the FWL to roll everything up
>>66258595>Even at its lowest ebb the CCAF was still better offConsidering that after 4th succ war CCAF was in such a bad state that the heaviest mechs they could crank out were Vindicators, and the Magistracy and a breakaway province of FWL considered themselves to have a serious chanse of rolling them over, I think the TDF, which actually has things heavier than 45 tons (including limited production capability of Thuds and Whammies), would probably at the very least fight them on an even ground.That's more to due with the sheer scope of how badly the Caps got their asses handed to them than anything to do with the strength of preiphery nations compared to the great houses, though. Realistically, the entirity of what was left of Capcon should've collapsed in on itself after 4th SW.
What do you guys figure the relationship between the taurians and FWL would have been like during the 3-4SW era?Given how they seem to both be popular factions here
>>66258702What happened with Medron? That was before my time here. Searched the name and he looks like a cheesy scifi writer.
>>66259003She can be Marik, but we all know who is the FWL princess here.
>>66258825I think the Suns would primarily use Crucis March forces against the TDF because the Capellans and Dracs have the other two marches pinned down. Soften those defenses and you get invaded. There are also pirates to worry about, but the Taurians would be affected at least as much. I guess the question is how easy it is to take planets in Battletech. In real life we’ve historically assumed that a 3:1 advantage is required to reliably take prepared defenses on land. It can’t be too far off in BT or borders would change significantly more often, imo.
>>66259024>but my construction lines!The 4th SW didn't cause everything in the CCAF that weighed over 45 tons to spontaneously combust. Hell, they were still shitting out refitted Highlanders, IIRC. So you're left with a military that is more experienced, has a heavier throw weight on average, and is up against a military that at every turn has been revealed to (*somehow*) be even more retarded than the Cappies. With 'Mech numbers that are reasonably on par, but far larger air and conventional ground forces.Hmm. I wonder what the most likely outcome would be there.
>>66259031They are too far away to have a strong relationship, but I would say its way more on the positive than anything else, they have more likeness than differences, and both hate the capellans.
>>66259044He went off the deep end long ago and abused his (former) position as a fact checker to garner legitimacy. His readings of the 1st Edition periphery book indicate that the Taurians have always fielded a large WarShip fleet, have better tech than the NAIS was putting out, were able to build and maintain a private HPG network, and were generally able to kick the ass of any four combined Successor States.A lot of what he puts out gets latched onto as "true" by Taurian fans due to the fact checker thing, and it heavily influences new rectuits to the TC.
>>66259031They had a reasonable trade relationship and that's about it.Even if it was given more thought and attention it would have to be an ambiguous one.On one hand, a strong TC is good for the FWL because they would cause trouble for the capellans and FedCom but not them, for lack of borders and ancestral beef. But, on the other hand the canopians are a pain in the FWL's ass and the taurians are strongly linked with them, so a strong TC would make them more of a problem for the FWL.Realistically I could see the FWL supporting the taurians on a moderate level *if* their relationship with the canopians seriously deteriorated, but not otherwise
>>66259134>and it heavily influences new rectuits to the TC.It’s more that when you’re new and haven’t read any of the novels, how the hell are you supposed to fall in love with a feudal aristocratic family?
>>66259134>A lot of what he puts out gets latched onto as "true" by Taurian fans due to the fact checker thing, and it heavily influences new rectuits to the TC.Strangely enough I only ever see mention of it here, never with any actual fans or anywhere else.
>>66259427Because it's a /btg/ meme parroted by a handful of trolls and morons.
>>66259406Honestly I have no idea what he's talking about, all the TC fans here seem to be a direct result of including The Periphery 1e on the essence newbie universe introduction package, with a side of the Toro love that megamek produces in people
>>66259134>>66259460As usual, the truth is halfway between you two lovebirds. Medron really is like that and really did do those things but he hasn't been a force to reckon with in years and most new players never encounter his brand of idiocy until an older player brings it up. Most Taurian fans that show up these days seem to do basic research on them on Sarna or play HBS BT and liked what they saw/read, there's no sinister conspiracy to ruin BattleTech taking place here.
>>66259427He's just re-fighting some old argument he probably had with Medron years ago. If I had to bet it's Stormfury still butthurt after being banned for years.
>>66259535We're fairly sure it's deadborder, actually
>>66259547Yes, Your Grace?
>>66259532Medron did some of it, but he's overselling it. And to be fair to the tard, a lot of his theories were rooted in early edition weirdness.
>>66259547We know it's Stormfury, he admitted to it.
I honestly don't know where the 'taurian fans meme all heavies all the time' thing this guy is shitposting about comes from, from everything I've seen here in the last two years they are obsessed with the Toro more than anything else
>>66259532I like the Taurians because they have cute mechs, and interesting and varied culture for a minor players and they history of figthing to the last. Than some anon shared the master arminas tales fics helped a lot too.
>>66259723Don't forget the talos
>>66259723It's just a shitposter. For whatever reason he hates the Taurians and just tries to stir up shit against the faction and its fans all the time. God knows what's wrong with him and what his motivations are.
>>66259723>obsessed with the Toro more than anything elseI'm full on purple bird and AtB has me seriously loving the damn thing, it makes a great combo with Trebuchets and the unreasonable number of Osts that I keep getting
>>66259723He is such a cute and strapping old chap.
>>66259744The Talos is a good AND useful trooper!
>>66259806>>66259845haha what if the P1e was wrong about the Taurians building the Hatchetman and Commando and it was really that they'd secretly put the Talos and Toro back into production?
>>66259460>a handful of trolls and morons.I don't know why reading this phrase made me laugh so much.
What are other good mech rpgs anons? Seems battletech is the only one than survives with any force.
>>66260081There aren't any. Why do you think we're willing to put up with the fanbase and all the shit FASA and CGL shovel on us? There's no good alternatives.
>>66252088So, I decided to go talk to them and do this. The current Succession Wars campaign ends in 4 weeks. After that, they'll give Jihad a try. Here's the rules they came up with. We get 6000 BV to spend on starting Mechs/Vehciles. No Aerospace fighters, no infantry, no drop ships (Unless used for terrain) and no clans. I picked the Lyrans for my faction, now just need to figure out what to buy for my starting stuff. Was thinking a Battlemaster BLR-6X, Wolfhound WLF-2H and a Fafnir FNR-6U. Not sure what to do with my remaining BV though.
>>66259427What do you expect? The Taurians themselves haven't been relevant to the game for the best part of 2 decades, and the last skirmish with Medron was nearly a decade ago, AND the OFs are a sleepy backwater these days, and over here we pre-emptively nip this shit in the bud, 1 way or another>>66259547Is Deadborder also the server goblin tard, I wonder
How would you design a jihad-era stalker that still feels like a stalker, but without the hurrdurr of the clan invasion variants?
>>66260435MMLs and some sort of variant PPCs for punch
MRMs vs MMLswhich would /btg/ recommend?
>>66260486MMLs by a country mile
>>66257866What if there were an entire planet that produced nothing but battlemechs? A giant megalopolis that produced thousands of mechs every day..
>>66260486How is that a question.MML of course, I change SRM/LRM for them in most of my shitty refits for my AU.
>>66260486never ever mrms
>>66260512It would be nuked or orbitally bombarded immediately.
>>66260950If you're building that many mechs a day you can probably just shoot mechs at the warships before they reach orbit to bombard or nuke you.
>>66260950Or not because it turns out 90% of its output are those armless Urbanmechs, 5% Locust 1Ms, and the rest other introtech bugs.
>>66261004Just fire them out of the AR-10 launchers. Especially the bugs, they'll be gauranteed to hit somebody's windshield. WarShip Captain: *Sigh* Turn on the windshield wipers...
>>66261172After a while, enough bugs on the windsheild will force you to stop for a few minutes to scrape them off.Being that the drive to Gencon takes an extra half hour stopping to scrape all the bugs off the popemobile is enough proof for me...
Hey guys, guys, is Robotech still viable compared to Battletech?Check the number of attendiees and don't waste time looking at the presentation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbVomHHvrow
>>66261539Well if you didn't drive through the line outside, there would be less of a mess.
>>66260512I still think it'd be cool.All you need is some sort of ridiculous contrivance to allow it to exist.
>>66260512what if there were SEVERAL planets turning out hundreds or even thousands of mechs a day?
>>66260512like if everybody just ramped up production to cold war levels, you had tens of thousands of mechs sitting on the line and in the marches, so many mechs everybody was afraid of firing the first shot.
>>66262122and you'd have 1984 propaganda going on 24/7, every faction would turn into a complete dystopian nightmare.
>>66262138meanwhile the ((weapons merchants)) were laughing their asses off and smoking cigars made of money.
>>66262138>turn into a complete dystopian nightmare>turn into
>>66262138Giant Fucking viewscreens of Melissa Stiener going "War is Beauty! Tyranny is Strength!" while her corpse is put on display in suspended animation in a museum.
>>66262206Eh, battletech isn't a living nightmare most of the time for most people. They are generally doing alright most of the time.
>>66262223Its like Japan, they have signs in the cabin of passenger aircraft for godzilla related turbulance. Its actually kind of fun, everybody just lines up in a bomb shelter and waits until the whole thing blows over, placing bets on the TV, then everybody goes back to the way it was, rebuilding everything.It stimulates the economy and relieves boredom and nationalist tensions.
>>66260512A very starwarsy/40K'ish concept that wouldn't fly in Battletech.Even if the factory is the highlight of the planet, you'd need a lot on world to make it worth having. Is there a mining facility for raw materials? Was there already a large population there to build up manufacturing power? Is there agriculture to feed the population? Where do people live? What do they do when they're not on-shift? While I could see a world where a single factory is the central hub of the economy, even that will need a large support network.>>66262093Thousands per planet might be a stretch.Still, I think you'd end up with a transportation bottleneck unless there was a very big transit network of Overlord/Mule transports all day every day. Also, not sure if there'd be enough money to go around to buy them all unless they were really discounted models (Think bug mechs). What you would end up with is greater importance placed on the warriors themselves, but you'd also see more second-rate academies cropping up that either give stripped down training to people with the potential but not the money to be mechwarriors, or as fall-back academies for flunkie nobles. It's likely the overall skill level of warriors would go down.Also the mystique of being a MechWarrior would also be reduced, and they'd be on par with aerospace pilots at best.
>>66262252It also gets rid of all the crazy assholes society produces. If your some ambitious aristocrat warhawk who likes spending daddies money you go buy a mech and pretend like your in a real war. Or if your a fucking sociopathic nutball you join the infantry and try to fight mechs on the ground for sport.
>>66262257this is high concept, you come up with the theme and work your way backwards, you don't nitpick the idea into the ground with logistical issues and plot holes.If your going to criticise it, criticise it from a thematic angle.
>>66262257I'm talking like hundreds of factories, not just one.
>>66262279and it really only affects people living on the borders / marches and capital planets. Everybody else wants nothing to do with that madness.
>>66262381Battletech is really a lot more like the real world, even when they are 'at war', its just a tiny dot on a map thats effective, for the most part people live in peace and just watch that shit on the news.
Your posting style is so incredibly distinctive that I wonder why you only seem to show up every few months.In and out of jail, manic episodes, sailor who only shitposts on port calls? What's your deal?
>>66262397Jihad is basically 9/11. I mean, 'boo-hoo, you're capital city on your capital planet got nuked. out of all the trillions of people in the galaxy a couple hundred thousand / million died.'You know what they'd say if somebody nuked washington? Good riddance!
>>66262417>manic episodesmaybe a little.I tend to lurk until I can find some quality bants. There is this one particular grognard here i love to fuck with.
>>66262439>Quality bants>Shitposting thirty year old argumentsHa!
>>66262397In a way, battletech is even better than the real world, because nobody dies unless they volunteer. People don't starve or have class struggle or cut their hamburger patties with wormmeal. Everybody tacitly recognizes their monarchs right to rule.Its pretty much a utopia.
>>66262417also i tend to get stoned at night to help me sleep, it makes me kinna goofy.
>>66262480Rasalhague would like to disagree...As would Skye, Oriente, etc.
>>66262480you look at a wartime economy like during ww2, and even though you have like 1% of the population drafted into the war, 90% of the population is somehow engaged with the wartime economy. Everybody is building tanks, making food rations, buying war bonds, working in munitions factories, ect.
>>66262494That actually does explain everything
>>66262506of course a few exception exist, but for the most part, its pretty stable. Clans were a bit bonkers, but they honestly didn't turn out to be all that different from the IS in the end.The FRR is basically some tiny little turd dumpling of an empire like Ukraine, they got bitchslapped for not having a real military / goverment.
>>66262583I was referring to the Rasalhague separation from the DC. They obviously weren't ruled by rulers they accepted. Amaris and any number of other rebel nobles as well.
>>66262583I dunno mang, battletech fans are assholes. They say they want all this detail and crunch, then they complain that every story is exactly the same. Battletech is fucking boring, its a 'look, don't touch' kind of universe. Its a formulaic cookie cutter plot that you just reuse over and over again, everybody complains that its boring and nothing ever changes, but they keep buying it. And when something does change, they screech at the top of their lungs until you put it back the way it was.
>>66262642I'm fine with change, when it isn't changing to shit. Also I'm an AtB pleb and have never given a cent to CGL.
>>66262632>I was referring to the Rasalhague separation from the DC. They obviously weren't ruled by rulers they accepted.Son, Teddy had everyone in charge killed, then destroyed the entire Rasselhague army that were loyal Combine so he could drop FRR control in the hands of a few terrorists and snag a few truckloads of Comstar toys. It was a power play between him and Uncle Marcus, nothing to do with the Hog locals. In fact, even the rebel Hogs were trying to kill Takashi and marry a Hog noble to Teddy for closer ties.
>>66257866Pop quiz time guys.Catalyst, in another stunning display of incompetent IP management, have decided to put some random schmuck from the internet in charge of the lore for the Battletech universe: you.What do you do? A complete reboot? Rewind time to a point of your choosing? Advance the timeline another hundred years or so and do a soft reboot keeping all the stuff you like?
>>66262642I mean, i get it, you don't want over the top shinnanigans and dino warriors, but the fans and creators really do suck the life out of the stories and the settings potential.I think the most boring part is the characters. They have zero personality, they aren't even archetypes, they are basically NPC's.I am noble mechwarrior! Let us fight!I too am noble mechwarrior! You fight good!I die in most dishonerable fashion, avenge me!I die in most honerable death! You don't even have the old bro-inkskies, everybody talks like they got a rod up their ass and their dialogue is generated by a fucking computer.Its like the writers are so afraid of looking foolish or upsetting the cannon that they make fools of themselves with how placid and staid their stories and characters are.
>>66262719I dunno man, your IP is a clusterfuck. I'd either double down on the grit and dirt and generally cyberpunk dystopian thing or go full ham, make everything huge and cinematic and just go cowboy on the whole thing.
>>66262642The issue is that very few of the stories are written with any kind of character continuity over any period of time. Each faction and character rotates through a period of incredible idiocy or massive plot armor as needed for the current author to piss on the setting.For example, why would any of the Successor States take the formation of a group like Word of Blake with their massive resources and knowledge calmly? WoB is the kind of group that everyone keeps a very close eye on. It would be like the United States splitting and no one in Europe/China/Russia bothering to pay attention. Same kind of crap goes for the dynasties. With the history of each house having more than a few examples of palace intrigue, several of the nobles are unconscionably naive. It could happen, but after the first example in a generation, they would all get suspicious again. How many siblings would meet unfortunate ends to protect/adjust succession?
>>66262770I mean whens the last time you heard a mechwarrior go "YEEHAW!"? I shoot you with my lazorz.I shoot you back with my lazorz.Now i am shooting you with my autocannon.Now you are the one being shot at with my autocannon.Oh no. I fall down.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ux3Mv5Rh_g
>>66262719Keep the broad strokes of the history and most of the tech the same. Fuzz the overall scale a bit while keeping the 'practical' scale the same, generally, less people, less planets, more mechs, less fucked space stuff, readjust the factional power disparities, add more buffer states, freeports ect to reduce the piechart nature of the map, and by God I wouldn't insert my fetishes into it.Lay out a broad starting slate for people, and don't really do the same metaplot thing.Kinda like GURPS Traveller VS the megatraveller/TNE fiasco
>>66262702The why didn't they rejoin the DC? If they recognized Takashi as their rightful ruler and actually liked old iron face, they would have rejoined when they had the chance, right?>>66262719I immediately say Okay guys, I am rationalizing the logistics of the setting and eating the fan anger of BT 2.0. I try to make it semi smooth, but I will make changes where needed. Key changes are to Aerospace. Utter from the ground up rewrite of WarShips, JumpShips, DropShips, and Fighters. Burn the rules and TROs to the ground and rebuild them completely. I'd start with NEA's work and build from there.
>>66262805Dammit, no! the problem is that it need more crunch and rules adjustments, its that the game and the setting are both BORING AS FUCK.How can you not fucking see this?
>>66262719>rebootWhy would I want to kill Battletech?In my land of petty and personal gratification, I would tear out most retcons by the roots to get the original fluff chain more in order. It's a general rule that the more people go back and fuck with the past of Battletech, the more they screw it up. I would however include a few sorely needed addendums like a completely shit SW rocket system that makes you want to take an SRM or LRM if you possibly can, canon sheets for garbage heaps, slash a ton of high populations, canonize the Ryan Rice Cartel for bulk food transport, make flamers do both heat and damage instead of one or the other, base level autocannon rapid fire rules, lots of little tweaks like that.Main supported eras would be Beginner (3025), Intermediate (3050) and Advanced (Current advancing timeline) There would be products like boxes and TRO's always in print to let people have info on all of this easily accessible. Art for each era will reflect the era distinctly instead of the retarded trend of all art from X time looking the same whether it's supposed to represent 2550 or 3150 (looking at you TRO:3075)For my petty stuff, I would say Becket Malthus actually survived Hesperus and with his network of traitors works with the Lyrans to take down Malvina.Lester Cameron-Jones secretly sent the Delos on a 4th Regulan-tier hop to Tukayyid and outright destroyed the Sea Fox ilKhannate. She comes back with a salvaged Tsunami in tow and lays waste to Marik and Beta Amiag who have their stuff spread out all around.The Toro retcon especially about them still having the design but retardedy choosing not to build them would be trashed. It will go right back to nothing but the corpse of Black Betty and everyone only figuring out how to build them after the Dallas Core.Also a full canon list of "main" factions vs. "playable" factions to shut muh list balance fuckers up once and for all.
>>66262873They really have squandered the opportunities that a feudal government structure gives them. It is very easy for each world to have vastly different characteristics as a whole and regionally on a world. Because fealty is what matters, you could have the core of each nation be where the ruling house and their various scions have the tightest and most uniform control, while on other worlds, as long as the planetary noble performs his/her duties and fulfills obligations and pays taxes, they are fine. Same for the nobles under them. Now you could have Tortuga and London on the same world, so long as the nobles aren't pissing in each other's Cheerios enough to cause fighting.>>66263007You are partially correct. Part of the problem is also continuing to fit the story arcs into the existing rules of the world(s). Until some of those constraints are realistically dealt with, it is really hard to do much with the plot.They have all of the answers they need to implement command and control structures that would dramatically change the storyline. For example, the idea of the Command Circuit is basically the Pony Express. So much of the "this doesn't make sense" factor is because they did a haphazard job of building the world to begin with. That is what I would change.
>>66262938>The why didn't they rejoin the DC?Because they killed all the loyal guys, and half the planets in the new thing are Lyran spoils from the 4th War so the Elsies wouldn't put up with it.
>>66262642>everybody complains that its boring and nothing ever changes,No, they don't. 99% of story complaints are that forcing an unnatural plot or twists just leads to stupid results. It's the same reason something like Game of Thrones is crashing and burning right now.
>>66263312Lol they fugged that one up didn't they? It was obviously headed that way though, they just handled it like shit.
>>66260474>not lasersTrue Purpul Burd knows the PPCs are for the Awesomes; everyone else makes do with LLs>>66262938>logistics>aerospaceThat's pretty much what all of would do, yeah
>>66262719>>66263100Tweaks I would make:1. Would be to make Comstar be visibly armed, with WarShips and have them basically be used in the looming "What we say goes" role, while they downplay their groundside military role just like current canon. The WarShip fleet is the big stick behind the Ares Accords mk II, which includes a "No rock shall be accelerated to relativistic velocity for use against a planet" clause, backed up by the "Oh that faction used to exist, until Comstar made them go away for breaking the Accord, so sad" if you make speedy rocks. I would still make them weasels, but give them a reason to see themselves and be seen by others as the saviors of mankind. This would give you all kinds of opportunities for storylines with honorable men caught in situations where they are helping, but using it for cover to do dastardly deeds. You can have the front guys who are honest and the schemers behind the scenes. The natural fissures in the organization lay the ground work for WoB and the confusion generated when the protectors start to become predators would compound the pain of betrayal.2. Each Successor State would have its core of 10-20 highly industrialized worlds with high populations, technology, etc. These would be surrounded by relative wastelands of low population planets with the occasional fortress world. The low population planets would have varying tech and industrialization levels, but not contribute much to the overall nation. The fortress world would be like Hephaestus II, Kathil, etc. Heavily industrialized and fortified systems with large garrisons to retake worlds the enemy has conquered. This naturally reduces most combat to raids of varying intensity and major operations to reduce a fortress world. Now your game scale makes sense, while having the level of combat make sense within the world.
>>66263092>really the tragedy of Regulas is that the Cameron-Joneses, once *finally* sufficiently motivated, *never* settle on an actually productive course of action)>even in an AU
>>66263431I mean, if Shattered Fortress hadn't already been published, I would have had the old girl parked over Regulus itself as a final reserve and blown the Talismantia out of the stars when she showed up.But decapitating the clan command and crippling the Sea Fox naval repair and construction capabilities and hunting Blakists remnants at the same time is about the only way to make a productive time of the literal years she's missing.
>>662633943. Following on from 2, each Successor State has its core worlds which are strongly cultured, but the outer reaches are much more loosely aligned. Border territory may be organized by world or small association of worlds with border states of 1-10 stars popping up and disappearing over time. If a dynast is particularly weak or unappealing, the border will fray a bit. Basically all states would look more like the FWL, except in the core worlds. 4. Account for the cultural changes and impacts of a galaxy's worth of worlds to explore. Some of these worlds should be very odd. A quadrillionaire buys a planet and decides to name it Weyerhauser and farm trees. A cult buys a continent and proceeds to howl at the moon for a generation, until the cult dies out, leaving robots creating statues of howling madmen. There should be some very odd places out amongst the worlds. I know there are some spots out there now, but there should be ~10x as many.5. Make being a mech pilot dangerous to your health over time. The strain of the neural interface depolarizes neurons over time, or something similar. Now you need massive turnover in pilots over time. Now the progression curve makes more sense and it is more forgivable that ranges are short and shots miss so often, because the pilots aren't actually that skilled. Your 0/0 pilots are the rare masters immune to the degeneration.
>>66263533Sign on with the GMILF on the conditions that the Captain Generalcy be made theoretically *competitive*, if not open, and add a Wolf Empire planet a month to the Regulan Fiefs with a Thera grand tour. Pay your Sea Fox supply train in M-Bills that you demanded from the GMILF as a subsidy for signing on in the first place. Demand actual hard currencies for what you sell them from the Clipperton yards.
>>66263644Can't do that with the blockade and war already declared in previous material. You still have to deal with the Sea Fox goal of completely crushing your merchant class when you've spent your entire life trying to build it as well.If you want to wind back the clock to 3135 or so, then fully ally with Humphreys much sooner. Get that sweet Clan DHS manufacturing going. Bro down with Fontaine and go save Anton when his nuts are in a vise. Send assassins to murder every last Oriente heir because Regulan SAFE is the most effective of the remaining SAFE branches. Become the guy who orchestrates the nuFWL.
>>662635896. JumpShips are more common, but rarer in different ways. In the core worlds they are utterly ubiquitous. Moving goods between industrialized worlds and passengers doing business. You could easily hop a transport from New Avalon to a neighboring system. Ships leave often enough that the residents don't actually need the HPG network so much. On the other hand, JumpShisp only get to some worlds once in a while because there is nothing worth doing on many worlds and little worth doing on the rest. So you get the quarterly government contracted ship come through for taxes and data updates and maybe a commercial rig for the harvest, and that's it. They aren't rare, they just don't care.7. by the time of the 4th SW the Successor States have atrophied their navies because of expense and usefulness. They have a heavy fleet in their core worlds and minor to medium fleets at their fortress worlds, but revenue cutters and corvettes are the most common WarShips and only ones seen by most worlds. They outgun the pirates and can provide orbital fire support, but have no business being in sensor range of a fleet battle. Maybe the odd destroyer or cruiser is running around showing the flag or carrying a major noble. This will make the scale of aerospace battles make sense, just like 2 does for mech combat.
>>66262719>What do you do?Based on the last few threads? Shutter the IP entirely. There's no pleasing a huge chunk of people, and a good number of that chunk is going to incessantly shit over everything because it's not what they like. So fuck them, fuck you, and fuck everyone. Nobody gets BattleTech anymore.Maybe in 20-30 years when people are capable of enjoying things on their own merits again (and social media has been banned worldwide as being a toxic clusterfuck) we can start it back up. From scratch, with no connection whatsoever to previous lore aside from the broad strokes of "fallen empire, claimants fighting over the ashes." Until then, no more creative things at all. Invest the money we'd waste trying to please the unpleasable people into something like real estate, or shitty dubs of anime, or start taking prop bets on whether or not EA will fuck over the consumer with their 2021 releases.
>>66263814>start taking prop bets on whether or not EA will fuck over the consumer with their 2021 releasesSafest bet in human history, right there. Not gonna make money running bets like that, NEA.Otherwise, I mostly agree with your position. I'm starting to wonder if the BT fanbase is too far gone to be saved in any way. It certainly seems that way sometimes but then I remember all the cool people I've met through BT and I hesitate.
>>66263814NEA, go to bed. You're drunk.
>>66263814The last 3 threads didn't seem any more terrible than usual.
>>66263814bah. It'd be better to go out in a blaze of glory. Full ham alternating with full Rami, until your last writer passes out drunk in a hotel room and hangs himself.
>>66263890I liked that mcdonalds mechwarrior fanfiction that guy posted
>>66263870We got trolled consistently with shitty b8, anon. It was pretty demoralizing. Towards the end I was wishing for an IP ban and to hell with the ham-fisted incompetence that sweeps up the innocent.
>>662637818. You can keep many of the major plot points of existing canon with relatively few tweaks due to world building. The 4th SW, Wedding, and infiltration of the CC command structure still work out fine. The strategic planning looks a bit different and the battles don't line up quite as easily, but if you say that CCAF were diverted to unimportant world to divide them up out of fortress garrisons like Tikonov, everything still plays out well. Moving into the FC, you have similar development because it makes economic sense to trade between the core worlds. Comstar extends their WarShip control to the area around Terra and the Kapteyn powers extrort free passage through the Comstar region from the FC in exchange for peace terms after the 4th SW. Changing major character plot points would be more disruptive.>>66263814You must be a fan of Jade Falcons....>>66263814>>66263865The question isn't if EA will screw the fans hard, dirty, and dry, but how will they do it? Loot boxes and pay to win, Paid DLC that absolutely should have been part of the game from day 1, day 1 downloads that are 3x the size of the empty hard drive on a standard console, etc.
>>66263918Which is why I am writing my own fiction that may one day become a book/universe. If I can't save/change/improve this IP, I'll make my own and work from there.
>>66263868I'm suspecting that his hockey team lost
>>66263814:)Fuck off with your transformer. We don't need your bait here.Also, isn't this one of the IPs where we should be certifying we are robots instead of that we aren't in order to post?
>>66259885oh God MUH DICK
>>66263931>Paid DLC that absolutely should have been part of the game from day 1This is practically everyone now. Thank fuck for older games, MekHQ, Rimworld, and Dorf Fort, modded Grid, and Stalker. Otherwise I'd have probably fucked off from gaming entirely by now. Nice not having to update a rig when everything you play is usually a decade old. I just want to watch EA die right after I've shorted their stock.
>>66264164I still actively play MC2 and even MW4:Mercs with the MekTek packs.
>>66263814I'd love to get a reboot of Battletech. There's a lot to love in the setting, but a lot of stupid as well. Seeing it done again with the power of hindsight sounds great. What would you guys want changed?I think it would be neat if the successor states didn't exist before the fall of the Star League - so instead of "same old, same old", we see the Mad Max style empires rise from the ashes of a more democratic Star League destroyed by its own weakness. And we could totally redo the Clans as well....
Alright so btg I'm thinking about running a BT RP with heavy focus and emphasis on being a character piece with a backdrop heavily inspired by Dune.But with you know catgirls instead of spice.
>>66264379Reboots are death. All Battletech needs is some shameless retcons, (some of them just undoing retcons that was forced on them by Harmony Gold's IP trolling, but others not).
>>66264463What's the difference in the end between a Reboot that hits the same beats, and extensive retcons?
>>66264379Haha, yeah. Just like the Star Wars EU. Lot of great and a lot of stupid. We can totally do better this time around guys! Somebody toss me a lifesaver before I drown in my own sarcasm.
>>66264476Not telling people to toss thirty five years and hundreds of thousands of pages of material in the trash for one.
>>66262719For real though? Time a release with the vidya releases for once.
I never looked at the Shadow Hawk before until I started playing the Battletech video game and MWO. Debating on getting one for the tabletop.
>>66264476I didn't say extensive, I said shameless.
>>66262719Frankly, the broad strokes of virtually everything is pretty good, the idiocy is in the details. Fix those I guess
>>66264422Maybe try Antallos? Though that's more pirates than anything. Plenty of desert worlds with crazy stuff going on though. Oh, the Azami worlds aren't bad since Dune had a lot of Arabic parallels. Markab is a good one. The Feddies take it in the 4th War and put new march nobles in charge. Perfect Dune setpiece.
>>66264635This. It's mostly good to okay as is, baring the Dark Ages.
Anyone know if it's hard to make custom RATs for MekHQ? I want to do a campaign where I start on Astrokazy running around in shitbox Mad Max vees and MODs but have it actually rolling those units against me instead of having to add them.>>66264486>no Yuuzhan Vong Star Wars movie everThe EU fucked a lot up but I liked that arc.
>>66264821I mean even the Dark Ages can be "fixed" by writing out of them.I think the best thing is to not look how to change the past but how to change the future. Instead of retcons just try to make what comes good.
>>66265068This. It's my biggest frustration with the tamperers. We were mired in 3145 for five years before we got Shattered Fortress which wasn't even gone over carefully or changed much since the first draft over 3 years ago. That's the real problem stuff. Move forward. Do better."X needs an update" crowing instead of "what happens next" makes me want to smack a bitch. Of course, CGL doesn't actually know what to do next after ilClan. They don't seem very enthusiastic about it either with all their new novels messing around in older stuff. We don't even have a paper copy of Bonfire available after they unknotted the novel rights. If the devs can't get excited about where they're taking the franchise, then that's bad for all of us.
>>66265300I mean I get that the Dark Age faggotry goes back to Clickytech but come on, there's a few very clear things that need to happen sooner rather than later, and some easy ways to spice up the setting.
>>66255786>>66255758>1 point of MP? I plead ignorance about using it.[is it that big a difference?]The difference between 3/5 and 4/6 is >huge<, tactically. A 3/5 has to run in a straight line on level, clear ground to get a +2 TMM, and can only move 1 hex a turn in Light Woods or Rough. Meanwhile a 4/6 gets a hexside of turning, or the ability to go through LW/up or down a level without losing that +2. If it only wants a +1 it can still walk and turn, which matters a hell of a lot on Pavement. It can also go through three hexes of LW/Rough, or two of HW, per turn. The jump from 4/6/4 to 5/8/5 is also pretty significant, since it means you have two different ways to get a +3 TMM; by contrast, the difference between 5/8 and 6/9 isn't nearly as huge, even with jets. Most of the maps are designed with ~5 or 7+ hex gaps between islands of usable cover, and without using Hexpacks a 6/9/6 isn't really getting a big advantage over that 5/8/5.. though again they're blowing the 4/6/4 out of the water. Taking a 3/5/5, on the other hand, is very often worth the massive weight-fucking you take. The engine downgrade frees up more space than the jets take on 80-85 tonners, 95s, and 100s, and you only lost a half a ton and a ton respectively on 90s and 75s. Below that you're fighting more between 4/6/5, 5/8(9) with TSM, and 5/8/5, which is a much harder choice. Or you can blow a couple tons and a shitload of precious crits on a MASC/Supercharger combo, without the benefits of TSM and jets.
>>66264379Thats a good idea.>Make Stieners more corporate, headed by family business dynasties that are constantly wrestling with 'the board'.>Mariks as populist generals who are constantly fighting with peaceniks who don't want to get involved with other states, even when its the right thing to do>Liao's having a one party system where they constantly have to outmanuever their political rivals.>Kuritan's having to deal with draconian leadership that punishes success as well as failure, always on the lookout for mutiny or dissenters>Davions hobbled by a monarchist tradition that constantly leads to unfair monopolies, unfair trade practices, and shady foreign business dealings. Having competent, unusually fair and just rulers who are often at the mercy of the kingdoms beurocracy, unable to reform into a democracy due to constant warfare and pressure from the landed nobility. Family loyalties split by reformist who want a more democratic government and realists who are more afraid of their empire collapsing.
>>66265068Yeah, after all we wrote our way out of the the FCCW and the Jihad, in the end.>the point of retcons would be to shore up the introtech introductory rules era, though. and fix aerotech so it fits in tactically.
>>66259024>Heaviest.. vindiesThey had another Cataphract line under construction even before the 4SW, and had it in full production shortly thereafter. Granted, the quality of their "upgrade" was pretty shite, but they were still making both the Cat and the Crud. >>66260417Fuck yes.>remaining BVSomething cheap and merc is usually a good bet. I like the Shad -5M just because it's a solid mid-range support fighter, and the Bandersnatch is a brutal little bitch provided you can keep it out of harm's way.
>>66265300Well, man, I tried putting some ideas out there, but they were all shot down pretty hard.>advanced tech and designs more in line with modern standards and current sci-fi trends>return to full blown cold war status, thousands of new mechs being produced, everyone afraid to pull the trigger>Hell I even wrote a fanfic that could provide a legacy explanation of why the HPG's went dark having to do with a rogue ROM guard cadet inserting a computer virus into comstars HPG link to collect metadata, but no one ever got in touch with me or sent me an email.
>>66265447>>66265322I mean there's some pretty obvious ones.General: The Weisman tier low mech numbers need to go. Recovery needs to happen. There needs to be tons of mechs in the mech based setting.Republic of the Sphere: Needs to die, doesn't matter how.FedSuns: Needs to stop sucking Republic cockCapellans: Need to stop being OP. This would best be done by making St. Ives independent again (put those rumours of a conspiracy there to good use) and having those regiments ditch. The Cappies have the Canopian regiments now basically anyways. Dracs: Need to stop being cartoon villains now that the Cappies have that down pat. Black Dragons need to die off. FWL: Need to get back together, though they are on their way. Also they need to stop always have a Marik in charge, as much as I love a Marik. They need to work like Elector counts - after the last Captain General dies, the leaders vote on a new one among the provincial leaders.Steiners: Need to wipe out Jade Falcon, Smoke Jaguar style, finally, and stop being retarded.
>>66265421Mariks would be more like, what, slavs? Some form of nominal democratic republic caught in an eternal revolution, run by a ruthless intelligesta who believes the people aren't capable of ruling themselves responsibly.
>>66265521Cont.Taurians: Need to get together and actually be the big military boys in the area again.Canopians: Need to actually do something. Get in a fight with the Taurians over Fronc, I don't know.Marians: Stop dicking around. Take back Lothian. Take the old Circinus areas and make that a Circinus Province. Make Niops a Niops Province. Then start a war with the Canopians.Outworlds Alliance: Since the Ravens aren't doing shit, at least let them have more regular forces. Periphery in General: Have all those rando states coreward in the barrens make a new state, Oberon style.
>>66265549Cont.Jade Falcon: Needs to die. Or they can take the Republic, sure, and sit on Terra saying how awesome they are.Wolf and Horse: Need to stop acting like its still 3050. As much as the Ghost Bears suck, their actions at least make sense. Hells Horses should form a new nation called Tamar or whatever. Wolf can make nu-Bolan. Bears and Sharks: Iunno, keep doing what they're doing. Less Bear fiat thoHomeworld Clans: Stop teasing an invasion and do it faggots. Invade down the exodus road instead. Non-retarded Dracs and Fedsuns are forced to team up against them. Snow Ravens either die, freeing the OA, or pussy out and let the other clans pass and use their worlds as a base.
>>66265512That's because those are all quite terrible ideas, honestly.We've known the Blackout wasn't a virus since 2008."Updating your stuff for current scifi trends" is always a terrible idea. Instead of something that can at least be considered retro and cool from the 80's, you're going to stick it in 2019 and have it be just as dated in ten years but without a unique style.Tacticool and giant army stuff is a reason for a ton of the absolute garbage sections of Battletech. The Star League alone should have shown you that. In fact, that sort of stuff running away so hard in the 3060's is what precipitated the full retard cutdowns of the Dark Age when Weisman got sick of it.
>>66265512>advanced tech and designs more in line with modern standards and current sci-fi trendsNot even grogging, but fuck off with that. I don't want nanotech hypercarbon nanotubule mechs running around at mach 35 and shooting each other with funnels. There's a reason that the TOS Constitution and the Mad Max/3025 aesthetic endures, and it's not because they're hyper modern and covered with a hundred panels. >return to full blown cold war status, thousands of new mechs being produced, everyone afraid to pull the triggerLaughingThirdSuccessionWar.hpg. Unless you mean a large scale conflict, and even then, it would happen.>Hell I even wrote a fanfic that could provide a legacy explanation of why the HPG's went dark having to do with a rogue ROM guard cadet inserting a computer virus into comstars HPG link to collect metadata, but no one ever got in touch with me or sent me an email.That's pointless. Why do we need an explanation of the Blackout? Why does every mystery in the setting have to have an explanation with a series of 8x10 color glossy pictures with arrows on them? It adds nothing and only jerks off the Blakists more.
>>66265521>The RotS is going to tear itself apart, tensions between the burrs and Palidin's will eventually escalate until they seek to return to an actual republic instead of a puppet state.>FedSuns are pretty much apeing the RotS castle doctrine, and probably will for a while, even after the RotS collapses>Cappellans will start to suffer from internal conflict once they start trying to carve up their winnings and divvy them among themselves>Dracs will always have Black Dragons, their society is too repressive not to have a major criminal element. But they do need to be removed from power.>FWL needs to challenge those lifetime appointments and limit terms to 10-20 years. Sticking a random person in office without being elected by the council and giving him a lifetime appointment without an assessment of how hes able to perform his job isn't fair to anybody, especially not the Mariks, since they never really know if their primary heir is going to be qualified.
>>66265592No their not, your just stupid.And whats fucking infuriating is that you don't KNOW you're stupid, and you bring everyone down with your god damn idiocy.But hey, YOURE in charge, right? YOU make all the decisions! Never mind that you're a complete fucking moron, but hey, thats just the way the system works, right?
>>66262719>Catalyst, in another stunning display of incompetent IP management.. yadda>What do you do?First off, START FUCKING ADVERTISING THE GODDAMNED GAME. Sit down with Piggy, IWM, and HBS to work out an integrated marketing strategy.2nd, Institute iron Line Dev control. Declare all novels soft canon, and decanonize all sourcebooks written before 1990 (as well as making it clear that WoR and a couple other books are the info that made it to the general public, not necessarily the "truth").Line up all the writers, like that one scene from "History of the World Pt. 1" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEqN4ZTBAJY, play some video of the Hiroshima/Dresden bombings, and fire anyone with an erection at the end of it. Also, push more "beat him to death with his own arms Jethro" into the fluff. Re-hire NEA and hire on WSA, hand them Aerotech, and do a full goddamned retcon of the record sheets and rules cleanup. Once he's done, NEA can move on to running a revamped demo agent program.Dream release: new Objective Raids, with 3020, 3055, and 3070 sections. Most of the history and manufacture information stays the same; I'd just go through and expand/revise/clean up the current info. ONLY 'Mech factories are specific about what they make, and no hard numbers beyond "garage" (Blue Shot, Bander), "small" (Mountain Wolf) "medium" (Glimour, post 3040) and "Large" (Defiance/Outreach/Panpour/Luthien). Various planets will have "parts" factories, but none of this breaking every goddamned 'Mech down to individual components. Lots of minor revisions to sell the older fluff that most 'Mechs use modular, semi-interchangeable parts, and make engines interchangeable based on rating again. Fluff doesn't get changed too much, but definite shift to more entertaining future-of-the-1980s going forward. Also ban several of the writers and most of the mods from posting on the forums. I work PR in my day job and 90% of them are massive goddamned liabilities.
>>66265611You are a grog.You're all grogs.You have your head stuck in the past and can't unclog your lives from the latrine. You think everything can somehow stay the same forever and nothing ever has to change, and when change does come, you all bury your heads in the sand and crawl up your own asses until it passes.
>>66265693I'm fucking done.This community is dead.
>>66265662>>66265693VROOM VROOM VROOMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdD1HcwgqvQ
>>66265705Oh well. You'll come crawling back, since its not like there's any other big mecha communities. That's the trap we're all in.
>>66264866>no Yuuzhan Vong Star Wars movie ever>The EU fucked a lot up but I liked that arc.>I enjoy Mary-sue BDSM themed space orcs But why tho
>>66265693Anon, fuck yourself. Changing the entire setting to be ALL NEW, ALL HIP, ALL TRENDY has sunk both Star Wars and Star Trek, and they only went halfway and tried to pander to the grogs at the same time. MWDA was a radical overhaul in the vein you described and nearly killed the game at its height. Christ, Alpha Strike nearly killed it as well. But you can swear up and down that this is the bestest idea ever until we actually do have the KF drive, and you'll still be a retard for insisting that we're just morons who don't see the genius in your halfbaked plan. I don't want to read some lameass fanfic that tries to fill in the gaps in a property in a halfassed way. Especially when I could just go read NuWars or the Dune Prequels.
>>66265693Plenty of the changes to the game, fluffwise as well as the 50 types of armor and potato lasers, have been awful. That being said I still want freaky Blakist NEXTs after the timeskip.>>66265753I liked the biotech they used and thought they were a decent bad guy. The books after it shit the bed from what I'm remembering.
>>66265693>You are a grog.>You're all grogs.Fuck you, witch! Hand over Alora Dannon!
I see it's time for the annual /btg/ implodes on itself
>>66266077You mean "bi-weekly", right?
>>66259427I'll be honest, I (over?) use Medron retardation as shorthand around here because it covers a lot of misconceptions people get about the Concordat, less because he's the specific proximal cause and more because people parroting what he's said about the Concordat are still the ones editing Sarna articles, which is influencing the newbies. While some egregious stuff like Warship fleets and HPGs don't show up over there, you still can't edit their articles to remove Rommel/Patton production and other acknowledged errors without it being immediately reverted. So it's still propagating, albeit not at peak retard.However, there is still a lot of stuff on here about massive Taurian production and how they are a heavyweight force and which consistently shows up. Usually based on the quote about the Thud being the backbone of their military. Which is is... but then how much of your body is actually backbone? It's what holds the rest of the body upright, but it doesn't represent a massively significant portion of what they've got, nor does it mean that they are rolling in as many heavies as gets tossed around here.I know a lot of players, myself included, mostly use heavies and mediums on the tabletop because those are the most fun to play, but fluff-wise formations are very different to that.
>>66266093Well there's the normal bi weekly bitching, this is the annual "fuck battletech" bitching
>>66266115>annual "fuck battletech" bitchingThat's scheduled for Gencon as usual.
Are there any canon space salvage small craft or droppers?
>>66266148Yeah. Expect it to get worse up until GenCon as everyone here is reminded about how little CGI actually cares, and how incompetent they are.
>>66266154Usually tugs like the Elephant or the Octopus.
>>66266164I'm genuinely curious how they make money to employ anyone
>>66266198>implying cgl isn't a porch laundering scheme
>>66266198They DON'T employ anyone. That's the fucking problem. They're a hugely parasitical company that would fold immediately if they had to actually pay their people fair market rates, up front, and wasn't allowed to profit off of volunteer works.
>>66266115>this is the annual "fuck battletech" bitchingHonestly we should have it more often.
Which BV do you guys think is more accurate?1.0 or 2.0?
>>66266462Neither. Real Battletech players use tonnage, the way we did in 1985.
>>66266455Really, no, I'm tired of only shitposting, we have had some very cool to read threads of late with lots of ideas thrown in, bitching like old women is boring as fuck. Look at the count of single posters, we normally hover over the +60, but now its at 37, because some sad fucks can't stop trolling and its ruining the fun for others.
>>662664622.0 is definitely better, though it over-values speed and under-values armour and accordingly IS 'Mechs which are generally slower and tougher outperform Clan 'Mechs under it. I also feel that it misses FSM, which works very well at the 4 v 5 and 10 v 12 scale but can be an issue outside of that.
>>66266462We're actually on some iteration of 2.0 and current is about the best there is, minus the usual, heat/armor problems. You just need to have enough experience to be able to look at a final force and tell how balanced it is on top of that. Also, BV tends to break down on very small and large scales. Infantry are fucked and it's totally useless on something like Warships.
>>66266170The Octopus sounds like the slaverpirate dropship of my dreams.
>>66266472Really? You'd value a Charger on par with the Awesome?Wouldn't that lead to just picking the best of the best mechs of a given tonnage all the time?Griffins for 55 tons, Awesomes for 80 tons, Jenners for 35 tons, etc, with no variance whatsoever?I feel the BV system, flawed as it may be, allows the shittier mechs to have a place on the battlefield
>>66266504Yeah, i definitely felt that way too, with mechs like the Scorpion which is overengined to the point of having no armor is really overvalued in BV 2.0, while in 1.0 it's quite fine, being valued lower than the vastly superior 55 tonners
>>66266559That's a troll post, dude. Nobody even used tonnage after 1990. I gotta second >>66266495>because some sad fucks can't stop trolling and its ruining the fun for others.
>>66266527Welcome to the PeripheryA place where good guys finish lastA quick draw is the best defenseAnd your mech is all you can count onA future where one treasure is coveted above all elseLegends speak of a piece of Lostech offering the ultimate power of the Star League to those who seek its gloryUtilizing the latest technology, a data crystal has been decoded with the instructions to find this relicBy twist of fate, it has fallen into the hands of an outlaw...
>>66266673Quickdraws are awful defense, man.Better off taking one of the 55 tonners.
>>66266702If it's good enough for Redjack Ryan, it's good enough. I nearly made that pun myself but changed it at the last second.
>>66266589Use to play with a group that used tonage back in 2012. They stopped it in 2013 after realizing how stupid it was due to a 400 Ton free for all match we had on Christmas. Only restrictions was that you needed at least 4 Mechs. Someone brought 16 25 Ton Mechs and everyone mocked him because they brought a either 4 100 Ton Mechs or a mix of Heavies and Mediums. Light Mech guy won. I don't think a single one of his mechs cost less than 1,100 BV. He had the most BV out of all the forces brought to the table.
>Make a cartoon for kids about battletech>uses a grid and not hexesWhy live?
>>66267381Never before have I ever wished 4chan had a like button as much as I do right now.
>>66267381This is obviously fake, any of those 3 mechs could've easily taken out the Quickdraw 1 on 1
>>66267735How is this anyway related to what I posted?
>>66267761IDK, maybe I thought you were doing something.
Can anyone explain the basic flavor of the periphery powers? What type of characters would come from each area?
>>66267921You daft freebirth, can you get subtlety with this one?
>>66267941Not at all.
>>66268062Mechs meching mechs now.
>>66268071You sure like the Vindicator, don't you?
>>66268188Wait.... are u tryin' 2 triks me?
>>66268198Trick you? I don't even know you.
>>66260417Yellow Jackets maybe?>>66268198>>66268566Just kiss already!
Does this work for a C* Command Level 2?Battlemaster-1CKing Crab -000Cataplut-C1Wolverine-6R or Shadow Hawk 2HGriffin-1NCrab-27I know i could use royal variants but I'm not sure just how common those are in C* ranks. Plus royal mechs could be a bit too much for my players atm.
>>66268566Okay I'm not doing this anymore. Have some AC/2.
>>66268748Also how did people work command consoles into card initiatives? Opponent always goes first and then it's cards? Forces alternative goes?
Just gonna leave this here.
>>66268974Tell me again why you grogs insist on checking off circles instead of using numbers?
>>66269152really?REALLY?!THAT is the question you ask?
>>66269152Next time I vote in an election, I'll make sure to write the name of the candidate in instead of checking off a box. Actually my record sheets replace the circles with little Atlas and Urbie heads. It works better. I just X them out.
>>66269535Change this so you're crossing out Katherine heads and you got something there.
>>66266110>you still can't edit their articles to remove Rommel/Patton production and other acknowledged errors without it being immediately reverted.See, this is how I know you're stuck in the past rehashing arguments from then. The last time the page was edited about Rommel tanks was over two *years* ago. And it was a reversion *removing* someones addition of it, not reverting it to place the Rommel back on the list.Eventually you need to move on from these old arguments man. You don't want to end up like those Liao grogs still bitching about the 4th Succession War, do you?
>>66268016Canopus was never great. It meandered on through mediocrity until getting picked up as a commonality for the Capellan Confederation, and then got stupid buffs.
>>66263814cool your jets Kerensky
I've managed to find loads of 3060s stuff cheap on ebay (all great house field manuals, FM:mercs, and the 3067 upgrade), but I haven't really got anything for later eras. People say Jihad is pretty fun, and my LGS might be able to order some books from that era (might, because from past experience I know that even if they list something as available for order, there's a chance they can't get it). Any suggestions on what migth be good ones to get?
Are there any Solaris Arena maps I can pirate and print out ?
I "upgraded" my field guns with Ballistic Plate for the crews, and the speed loss is well worth the Dudes that go home again.To keep unit pictures after you do this, go to "data - images - units - mechset.txt" and write in a chassis or exact unit image to use.
>>66269744It's ok anon. You can admit you just hate all women.
>>66270348Yes. The maps from the Solaris map pack should be in the mega (annoyingly, the book that came with them, with RATs and some rules for running a Solaris game, isn't). Also the XTRO Royal Fantasy Tournament should have the maps and is free (they wanted to do a re-release of the Solaris map pack for Jihad, and combined it with their April Fools stuff in order to release it for free).
>>66270352Did you just assume their genders?
>>66270040Did his hockey team lose again? Lately they seem to be on fire.
>>66270952>Did his hockey team lose again?His goalie suffered a TAC. The resulting ammo explosion took out half the arena.
>>66268890>Also how did people work command consoles into card initiatives? Opponent always goes first and then it's cards? Forces alternative goes?I'd do it by giving the Command Console or Combat Computer/Command 'Mech player an extra card or two in the initiative deck. Let them hold it once its drawn and use it to force initiative with a player who hasn't been drawn yet. >>66270209>People say Jihad is pretty fun, and my LGS might be able to order some books from that era>Reccommendations?Interstellar Players 1&2 are a lot of fun, and the Jihad plotbooks in general are great. Skip Wars of Reaving unless you >really< care about the Homeworlds. "Total Chaos" is a good summation of the war on the ground, and gives you the updated version of hte Chaos Campaign System. Woks as a campaign without having to pay for every bullet, bean, and gram of armor but still puts you under financial and tactical stress. >>66270040Callin' a Hazen a Kerensky? Oh shiz, gonna be a Trial of Fuck You in your future, Pole. Also welcome back.
>>66269261What are you, five?>>66269535Numbskull
>>66271476Guy asks a question. People give honest answers. You attack them without explaining why. What is your alternative? What would work better?
What is the minimum thrust needed to achieve orbit from a 1G world?
>>66272076Depends on other factors like mass of vehicle and atmospheric resistance, but you can't extract your steiner scout lance on jump jets alone no matter how many you put in.
>>66272076Higher than 9,81 m/s, IIRC, as that's the acceleration of a falling object in 1G.
>>66272192Anon, thrust is force.
>>66268016Did the Outworlds really "let" their worlds die off? Barring the wackos on Dante, it seemed more like the Star League made a lot of worlds habitable through Star League tech, had a bunch of Star League people move there, then they all died when the Star League fell.Seems like a Star League problem, is the point.
>>66272076Canon number is 3 thrust on a standard 1G garden world. 2 thrust is hover for reference.
>>66272312>Did the Outworlds really "let" their worlds die off?Yes. The Omniss are the biggest group in the entire state, even into the eras where the Muslims took over the capital like they did London in real life. The rulers actually fight against it, but the tech hate of the locals hobbles it.>Neil Avellar if only you knew how bad things really are.hpg
>>66272510So a 2/3 ship *can* take off, it just has to over thrust? Thanks, now my players will be doomed to an even worse ship then before
>>66272697/pol/ pls go and stay gone
>>66272697Oh well, its a moot point anyways since his kid turned it all around.
>>66269722November last year, actually. Check the Pinard Protectorates Limited page, not the one for the Rommel.There are a lot of reasons I gave up on Sarna as a resource other than knowing where to ook for information. It's just not worth the reversion/revision wars.>>66272312The feeling I got from their fluff is that they didn't really try to keep those worlds alive very hard, in large part due to them being marginal any way. It came across as less a case of "woe is us! Woe!" and more "well, we can't do anything about this any way, let's just pull back to the more habitable planets and then jerk off over our space planes."
>>66269152>Tell me again why you grogs insist on checking off circles instead of using numbers?Because you process spatial information very, very quickly. I can glance at a bubbled-out sheet out of the corner of my eye and know essentially instantly how fucked up it is compared to "normal". Tracking numbers instead will slow your turns down immensely. And I say this as a literal autist who's been in therapy for twenty-five fucking years. In addition, two members of my play-group are severely dyslexic. But they can handle BT record sheets in a way they can't with (say) 40k rosters. It's all about accessibility of information. To put it another way, with a game requiring as much intense spatial thinking, pre-planning of turns, and rapid-fire math as BT already demands out of you? Loading more weight onto your left brain is going to fuck you. Adding visual elements effectively lets you share the process load with your GPU, instead of trying to multi-thread your CPU with thirty tasks at once.
>>66272894>November last year, actually. Nah, that was a grammar edit and had nothing to do with the Rommel. There’s no need for edit wars because what you claim simply isn’t happening.
>>66273379Last time I looked at Pinard it was still listed, and I'm pretty sure that was only last year. Regardless, Sarna is- or was, I suppose it might have died down now- very prone to edit wars, like most Wikis. It's only those who have the most time and investment in the issue who bother over the long term and I had little of either so stopped revising articles. These days I mostly just use it to see what unit variants are equipped with or find out what book to look up a specific event in.
>>66269152>why do you grogs insist on rolling dice instead of using a RAG app
I need Dragon variants, Grand Dragon too. Any era is fine.
>>66273759Unironically I like the MWO variantsForget where the mounts are though.
Why do I love the dragoon so much? It and the exterminator are my current favorite heavies.
>>66273759I've got like, 20 of them, but I'm at work for another five hours. Can you wait that long?
>>66273759>I just decided, as a final fuck you to the director, to not do any of the shit he wanted in the final scene I was in. I mean, what would they do, not have that scene in there?Pilou Asbaek has mastered this whole method acting thing.Also, all of these were meant to have DHS but I couldn't be fucked to fix the image after I realised.
>>66273998>Also, all of these were meant to have DHS but I couldn't be fucked to fix the image after I realised.It's the Drac way to not use DHS even when they could do so safely. You're good.
>>66274053>It's the Drac way to not use DHS even when they could[ANGRY PANTHER NOISES]
>>66274118>posting a Marik-scheme PantherFor shame, anon, for shame.
>>66274143All Panthers are brothers.
>>66272894So I have a question about the relative strength of the OA, Snow Birds not included.By 3145 they have about say 2 Regiments of mechs - but if you included all their aerospace, how many "regiments" worth of strength would you argue they have?Basically, trying to compare them to other Periphery powers like the Taurians by that point.
>>66274401They took a hit. They had 3 regiments of mechs in 3025 (though 2/3 of that were bugs) and then they had like 5 regiments of ASF's which was their real backbone. In the DA, they actually still have all of their old units, plus the Long Road Legions but they've been downgraded to "Alliance Militia" and fully subsumed by the Ravens. Mech proportions are down a bit, but not as bad as other nations.What sucks for them is they are literally a Clan OZ now. The OA is dead in every way that matters, just like the Hogs.
>>66274572I will never not be angry that the Snow Ravens just got invited into the Outworlds and that was that. There's barely anything written about it, it just sort of happened and everyone shrugged and said "sure whatever". Fucking bullshit that we lost one of the already-scarce Periphery nations like that.
>>66274663There's a reason one of the oldest criticisms of the DA going back to 2002 is literally "You like planes? I LIKE PLANES!"
>>66274663How about some extra rage for the Ravens just rolling over Antallos like it was nothing, destroying one of the last great pirate worlds anywhere near Drac space.
>>66274785Yeah. I kinda like the Snow Ravens as a Clan when they were still off with the Clans, clanning it up, but when they merged with the Outworlds they just got crappy and lame. Man, fuck the Dark Ages, killing or neutralizing literally any faction I care about and making the rest into drooling retards.
>>66274830It's a lot like how the Spirit Cats and Sea Foxes are ruining Marik Space by insinuating themselves in using the usual retarded "Oh the Clans aren't as big a threat as my ancient enemy" plot. In a similar parallel, they have a lot of good individual characters like Rikkard.For the Ravens, Khan Mckenna is a fucking treasure. Yandere clanner is not something you see too often.>So butthurt that her love though about another women and cheated on her once that she had him and half his national army bombarded from orbitNot to mention she just fucked off from her own country for a full clanner generation and nobody gave a fuck or challenged her rule or started a war or anything. Absolutely bizarre.
>>66274401Somewhere between god tier and it doesn't matter. If your mechs/armor/infantry never land in one piece, does it matter how many regimental equivalents you have in ASFs? You are effectively comparing binary battle outcomes. If the OA wins the space fight, there won't be a ground fight and if the TC gets to the ground intact, they basically roflstomp the OA. So it is really a strategic question, do the OA have a meaningful ASF force handy for a particular battle?
>>66274401The Taurians were divided in three states at that point, the Calderon Protectorate, the Fronc than was the baby of the Taurians and Canopians, but for some reason the only valuable planet ended in the Liao hands after XIN SHEN XIN SHENG, and the Taurians proper.Good I hate anything post 3067 about the Canopians, Taurians and Liao, the bullshit was too much.
>>66274785With CGL having such a hardon for Mad Max there really should be more pirate factions popping up the moment the HPGs drop.
>>66275296I really don't get how we don't get more factions like Fronc or Filtvelt.
>>66275296>there really should be more pirate factions popping up the moment the HPGs drop.There were. There's an absolute shit ton of unnameds in Stonerville and old Marik space. But none of them have home bases and established fief worlds in the way the old dudes do.I mean the closest you have is like Lincoln's Rotting Corpse being remnants of the Circinus Pirates like how you had the New Belt Pirates be remnants of the coreward states once the clans rolled in and that's about it. You want full retard, though? How about most of the Stoner pirates being conscripted into the RAF under Fortress while the Blessed Order combatants were killed to the last man despite helping Levin in the Republic Civil War?
>>66275362There's also an absurd number in the periphery, like probably a great house military worth, all told
>>66275445>There's also an absurd number in the periphery,Once upon a time. They've been hunting them down since the Jihad. 3132 before the Hypernet went down was the lowest point of pirates in hundreds of years. It's not until later that they start really springing up again because people can't call for help or organize defense how they used to.
>>66275491According to some of the recent material, literally dozens of unlisted battalion sized and up pirate and Merc units were running around out in the periphery around the turn of the century to the 3110s. Maybe the great houses just *thought* pirates were dying out because they were just staying away
>>66275212Honestly post-3058 is when it goes off the rails with Xin Sheng, Canopian regiments appearing out of thin air and Periphery politics all being drawn into Inner Sphere politics and an end to the New Colony Region.
>>66274663>>66274918The game died with the death of ComStar and the implied permanent disappearance of Word of Blake.
>>66275362>>66275445>>66275491Since they aren't doing major planets anyway, this sort of thing should be what the Turning Points PDF series is about. A couple years of releases and all of a sudden we've got two dozen new pirate bands, in detail, scattered about the Periphery. It would be a GM's *dream*.
>>66275714The game ACTUALLY died with the clan invasion. But don't let little things like history stop you.
>>66275714Good thing Comstar ain't dead yet.
>>66275719I really love the turning points about Filtvelt and Fronc. That's the kind of stuff I enjoy of battletech.
>>66275714The game died when <faction you like> did <thing you didn't like>
>>66275736That was the height with Tukayyid though >>66275759They seem like they’re dead. Buhl’s guys were specifically wiped out to the last on Epsilon Eridani, I think the leadership was on Callison that fell to the Wolves, and the RotS absorbed all the rank and file guys.>>66275819Less what they did and more that they’re gone
>>66275714>>66275819The game died when the <magistracy of canopus> <existed>.Hey, it works!
>>66275882The rank and file still exist in every state but the FWL and they're being externally supported by the Lyrans and the Dracs. They're fractured and leaderless but not dead.
>>66275719I agree with you. I actually think the sourcebook for the video game state is also a step in the right direction, like a series of short sourcebooks on flash-in-the-pan petty kingdoms and their brushfire wars would be great
>>66275902Lol they’re bad but it’s mostly due to Kit and Coleman. >>66275906They seem dead. Didn’t FM 3145 label them a dead faction in the appendix?
>>66266472LMAO... Thank you Anon... That makes me happy and yet dates me as well... Ah... BattleDroids… those were the days... Crappy ones mind you, but still...
>>66275909I think CGL was legit surprised anyone was even interested in Battletech at all.
>>66266559Its called not being a fucking munchkin. You get the salvage you get and you cobble it together and hope to Blake that your Astech actually knows what they are doing and your reactor does not go critical just in time for your ejection system to fail. You know getting into the character of your Lance, how they got together, why they became pilots, where their Mechs came from, etc... If you are just straight up wargaming, you are losing over half of what makes BattleTech one of the best games out there, but yeah sure, then BV makes sense.Us Old-Timers might bitch and moan, I mean if we wanted that sort of crap in our game we would be playing Warhammer or something. Give me my BTU back!!!Goes back into tunnel
>>66276168>Goes back into tunnelStay there. Grogs have held this game back long enough.>>66276075>CGL estimates that there's about 5-6,000 Battletech players>Assume half of them bought and played the vidya>that means there were something like 18 THOUSAND potential new players/customers they could have sold product to>they could have doubled or even tripled their player population>they did nothing.>at fucking all>and now the moment is passed
>>66276168>Give me my BTU back!!!Goddamnit I've told you this several times, it's a fucking high efficiency furnace and will heat your house just as well even if the numbers are smaller
>you mentally ill asses, this *is* how generals die
>>66276258roflmaoActually its an actual wood burning stove using Osage Orange as fuel... I just don't have enough of that wood left... gimme.>>66276255There is nothing wrong with wanting to keep the spirit of the game as opposed to watching others turn what is a great universe into nothing but cinders and make it so no one even pays attention to the fluff anymore and only wants that tasty CV Crunch... It is also about cost, availability, location, faction, and group of said faction. CV does not give you that. Mech availability tables help, sure. But it is not the spirit of scrounging trying to make your Mech(s) last even just one more day. Sure I played Mercs... kinda obvious... The struggle to survive in all ways, not just politically or tactically appeals to me. Call me a Grog if you like ya snowflake, I will be around long after you have melted away and evaporated.
>>66276374Okay, how do you advance the story past its current stagnation in 3150? Remember that your solution will need to be executable in the face of death threats from grog fans...
>>66276492>Remember that your solution will need to be executable in the face of death threats from grog fans..Kill the fanbase first. Then there's nobody to give death threads and you're free to advance the story how you like.
>>66276286So what? There's no real Battletech community here anymore. There's only hate, and it's entirely on the shoulders of CGL in general, and the OF and Randall and Loren in specific. I don't care what CGL produces, ever, and I won't give them another thin dime for the entirety of their existence. That company died to me as soon as Loren was allowed to stay on after Porchgate. So as far as I'm concerned, CGL can die, it's employees and followers and customers can die, and Battletech itself can die. I have everything I'll ever need to play, and anything else they bring out will just fuck it up, and I have no faith or trust that CGL is even CAPABLE of making Battletech great again.So let the generals die. All we'll lose is the complaining from the fanbase who can't understand that CGL and the game isn't worth supporting anymore anyway. Fuck it all. The dream is dead.
New thread for you edgelords.>>66276618>>66276618>>66276618
>>66276612Just shut up you dummy.
>>66276492There is just under 700 years of BattleMech history to explore. There is no need to recon anything further than its already messed up state, but the Devs have the ability to go back and fill in the gaps of what happened when to whom and for how many Twinkies (as we all know that is the true standard currency). The current story in 3150 leaves a lot to be desired, but as has already happened, you do a timeskip to get to another period if you must, and to be clear I am saying must, progress the storyline further along in a linear fashion. There are around a thousand "known" systems. I say "known" because the vast majority of them are populated ones... there are empty systems, devoid of life giving planets, some without any planets at all, that might have things of note in them. There have been plenty of small factions and warlords that have risen and fallen in the total length of canon history, most unknown, lets start fleshing them out... such and such, a tyrannical psychopath took over x planet and was put down by y. Lets look at how, why, etc... Build upon the Lore. Lets look at the one off Mechs, or small run mechs... the vehicles, etc... A small firm trying to get started designed and built such and such in order to try for a contract to insert faction here. While the mech did not win the contract, this happened to them... There is literally millions upon millions of things that happen within a galaxy containing who knows how many people over a span of 7 centuries. Can't figure out what direction to take the present? Go back to the past and make it more complete until someone somewhere has an epiphany and comes up with a way to get out of the hole. I have seen plenty of bitching about how BattleTech just repeats itself over and over... well hell, look at our own history, we just repeat the same stuff over and over... and over... did I mention over? The details, the fluff, the small amounts of undocumented crunch... that is the direction to go in.
>>66276286You first *highlander buries you*