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>Previous:
>>66252192
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I want new Ork Boyz
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>>66255234
First for fuck Primaris
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Ork conversions usually suck desu
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Which space marine hg has the best aura?
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>>66255280
>fog is fine as a base
>dirt is not
Fucking Ork players are fucking retarded.
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>>66255294
>Ork conversions usually suck desu
I dont even play orks and I cant just let you talk shit like that about orks
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Negrons :DDDDDDDD
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>>66255310
As nice this looks, I don't see the appeal of all the rivets just thrown over everything. It's same for me with resin gunpla and having too many panel lines all over. I like the more simpler designs than just shoving as much detail on everything as you can.
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>>66255310
>not painted
Well it's par for the course for Orks at least.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/16/skulls-for-the-skull-throne-chaos-comes-to-digital-gaminggw

Games on sale. Of note, free update to Mechanicus. Apparently with Customisable difficulty. I wholeheartedly recommend the game for those of you that haven't played it.
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>>66255309
Bases are bad for looking good, but atleast fog can be found pretty much everywhere, while dirt cannot.
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>>66255257
Based.
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>>66255310
It only works because "slap shit together even if it looks awful" is technically the ork aesthetic. Not that some amount of decent ork conversion don't exist, but predominately players from other factions seem to do a lot better
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>>66255316
We all know your taste is objectively shit, so stop talking like your opinion about the Boyz sculpt actually matters.

>>66255343
You find me fog in a desert and then we'll talk fuckwit.
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>>66255329
>>66255331
>ork conversions not painted
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>>66255257
seething cause you already invested so much into manlets and jealous of the noobs with the nicely scaled models?
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>>66255316
I frankly don't see how they look "badly aged" or "don't look good."
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>>66255310
>unpainted
yup orc conversions
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>>66255336
Uh, turns out a Turk approached the Mechanicus dev team and translated all the text in Turkish for them. Did it for other games too apparently. Kudos to him.
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>>66255364
>You find me fog in a desert and then we'll talk fuckwit.
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>>66255396
>unpainted
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>>66255366
Ork armies are very rarely painted. Then again about half their conversions are fucking Tonka trucks with bits glued on, so what do I know?
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Show me your Primaris headswaps lads. I hate that default helmet.

Pic-unrelated.
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>>66255414
Well will you look at that: the ground still looks like fucking sand despite the fog.

Foggy clear bases confirmed for brainlet tier.
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>>66255436
I am not saying that those players dont exist. I have friends with barely built/primed ork armies.

But ork players in general tend to be a hell of a lot more creative and kitbash/convert their shit compared to most other playerbases.
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>>66255326
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>>66255461
That kinda goes without saying since they can practically use anything
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Who is the best 40k artist and why is it Kopinski?
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How come loyalists don't use chain axes?
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>>66255234
So how big would an emperor titan model be?
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>>66255451
>Well will you look at that: the ground still looks like fucking sand despite the fog.

But it has a foggy overlay, simialr to in you had a transparent base that was slightly foggy. Which isn't even a thing if you actually glue well. Running out of room to maneuver basefag, just admit that new good looking Ork Boyz would be favourably received by the Ork community.
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>>66255376
I play not!Steel Legion and CSM, I just enjoy the discussions
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>>66255461
>But ork players in general tend to be a hell of a lot more creative and kitbash/convert their shit compared to most other playerbases.
Absolutely not. Sure you can find wild ork conversions on the web but the playerbase as a whole is pretty terrible at conversions. Even IG is typically more creative and better executed. Most ork conversions are messy vehicle jobs like mr potato head dreds
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>>66255461
Most Ork conversions online to gain any sort of notice by the internet are by a small handful of players. In general the larger community lacks any real skill and makes no effort.
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>>66255486
SW do?
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>>66255486
>How come loyalists don't use chain axes?
we dont have access to them.

>>66255338
Necron Pariah were amputated humans that were imprisoned in necrodermis. If the human bag inside died, they wouldnt have the pariah aura. The human body had to be kept alive in order for them to be able to counter psykers.
Thats why Pariah didnt have the We Will Be Back rules, and couldnt use monoliths. They were still alive.
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>>66255486
Presumably chainswords are fundamentally considered more practical.
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What does foggy bases have to do with orks not being good at conversions or painting ?
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>>66255486
CHAOS WEAPON BAD
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>>66255510
Hey, thos mr. potato dreads are some of the orkiest kitbashes I've ever seen, they're great
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>>66255486
Flesh Tearers use chain axes in the older lore at least.

>>66255503
So you chose a picture where you can't see ANYTHING and call it the same as a foggy base at ground level? To get that effect you'd just need to run a smoke machine over your table until nothing is visible.
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>>66255503
New Orks wouldn't be favorably be recieved by the Ork Community because you faggots are never happy. If you got new Boys you'd bitch about the Lootas, Nobs, Mega Armour Warboss or some other shit.
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>>66255161
You can try, but how are they going to catch up at Move 5 Range 8 vs Move 7 Range 18? Frankly, I'd reach for more birbs, or even a large enough swarm of cultists - assuming you're stacking to-hit buffs on them, which you should be anyway with birbs, you should be hitting the assassin on 4+, and then it's just a matter of volume/strength/damage.
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>>66255486
Because.
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>>66255483
This guy
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>>66255486
Because they're EEeeEEEeeeEEEeeeEEEeeevil! OooOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoooo!
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>>66255510
Mr Potato Head Stompa is probably peak Scratchbuilding. Well at least THIS one is. This was also built more than a decade ago though, back when that was a thing you saw people do more often.
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>>66255528
>So you chose a picture where you can't see ANYTHING and call it the same as a foggy base at ground level?

You were already proven wrong by fog in the desert, but please tell me you know about ground fog.
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>>66255527
They're fun and all, but they're definitely not the best conversions I've seen. I don't give much credit to guard players slapping aquilas on ww2 models either
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>>66255486

Carcharadons use chain axes.
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>>66255444
>That art
Rad.
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tell me why i shouldn't make a tyranid army, I'm thinking of painting them with red bodies and bone carapace and this idea alone is enticing
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>>66255558
Even with ground fog, the effect only limits your ability to see the ground at a distance, not in a localized area.

And having fog follow your models around like they keep dry ice in their water bottles is fucking stupid.
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>>66255518
Examples?
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>>66255572

You will not win. But that doesn't stop people from playing single Astartes lists, so go for it.
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Do you guys prefer your models painted retro, normal WD style, realistic or Blanchitsu?
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>>66255593
Forgeworld or Blanchitsu, although really I just google around seeing various styles on the web more than I pay attention to any of the studio teams
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>>66255576
>the effect only limits your ability to see the ground at a distance, not in a localized area.

Depends on the density of the fog.

>And having fog follow your models around like they keep dry ice in their water bottles is fucking stupid.

It's not perfect, but it's far superior to them sprinkling sand, grass, rocks and snow around themselves. You even could use a fog machine on the table and it would be cool. But also you could just glue properly to make sure the base doesn't go foggy.

Not admit new Ork boyz would be nice for Ork players.
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>>66255572
>red bodies and bone carapace
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Anyone use 3d printers to make models? Worth it?
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>>66255571
It reminded me of Tank Police
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>>66255617
Boyz are fine retard, fuck off already nobody but you cares at this point
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>>66255623
Holy shit Baharroth in that picture is beautiful, and a perfect example of how nuGW doesn't get eldar
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>>66255593
I like the FW style for how it sort of keeps the colors used by the Eavy' Metal and thentones them down using weathering.
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>>66255593
FW for most things Imperium things.
I dont care for the vomit that most blanchitsu shit devolves into. It only really works for Chaos.
GW/WD for more colorful factions like Eldar and Tyranids.
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>>66255528
I base my miniatures but you made me wonder if you could realistically run a fog machine during a game and not have it blanket absolutely everything, it'd be a unique scenario for targeting especially.
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>>66255634
>Boyz are fine retard

Nah, they're bad.

>nobody but you cares at this point

That's what they always say when they lose an argument, but want want to pretend they didn't.
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>>66255623
This pushes me towards tyranids
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>>66255631
how
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>>66255305
Captain, because he can be taken pretty cheap (if you can call 70-90 points cheap) and only has to touch his aura on one model in each unit.

Alternatively, the Sanguinary Priest (for the blood angels) since I out punched a squad of Khorne Bezerkers once with a 10 man squad of Intercessors when I was on the charge. He buffs +1 strength to squads in 6 inches, and so I had S5 marines with +1 to the wound roll and wiped a bunch of them out lol.

Now everyone is worried I fell to Khorne, but it was all for Big E baby
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>>66255593
I tend to lean towards dark shadows and push towards saturated highlights. Basically I try to emultate Chiaroscuro style paintings. I've got a ways to go to properly get it down, but I'm learning to wet blend so I'm getting there.
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Hey, found my old gk and tau units laying around in the attic. I'm mearly wondering if firing lines and allied detatchments are still a thing since I haven't touched the game since early 5 ed
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>>66255523
Terrifying.
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>>66255654
>he thinks one person is calling him out
Do you notice how nobody has even been talking about boyz since halfway through their last thread and have only been calling you out for your incredibly stupid opinions on basing?
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>>66255234
Soon
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>>66255677
Pariah and Thallax are probably the most brutal parts of 40k lore. With Daemonculaba being a very close third place.
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>>66255305
Guilliman.
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>>66255682
Agreed. I was calling out his stupid opinions on clear basing and he wanted to argue that FOG was more thematically appropriate in all situations than any other kind of basing.
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>>66255682
Yet all my opinions on basing are 100% on point, and no basefag has actually been able to put together an argument that hold up to a glance.
Also it's just a deflection from the fact that Ork boyz look bad.
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>>66255624
Please respond
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>>66255733
Orks look fine, basing is the most based part of any model and you're a turbofaggot who sucks dicks for a nickel.
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>>66255631
Android cat girls when, science?
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>>66255664
You need to be 18+ to post
>2019
I tend to forget there are people posting here that are younger than some models I own.
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>>66255754
Wrong on all accounts. Basefags are a retarded breed for sure.
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>>66255754
>basing is the most based part of any model
Based and basedpilled
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>usually in my own little world when painting
>like to relax and really let go
>like to push out farts really hard for some reason while I sit there and paint
>pushed so hard this time I shit myself

Well this is a new low lads.
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>>66255733
Don't misconstrue the situation: there is no argument here. Only you being stupid and people telling you are stupid. It's a settled matter you're just asspained so you keep replying. Boyz are also settled so long as you fail to provide any non-retarded reasoning.
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>>66255778
You could be a basefag.
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>>66255778
struggle of painting tau
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>>66255778
Haha poo poo fart fart haha xd
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>>66255774
Don't you have a Bad Dragon collection to polish with your prostate instead of trying to sell everyone on your soiboi mentality about bases?
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>>66255778
Mmm quite pungent my dear
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>>66255793
>there is no argument here.

There was until I shut it down with my superior mental ability.

>Boyz are also settled so long as you fail to provide any non-retarded reasoning.

They're low fidelity sculpts with bad proportions and posture.

>>66255811
>M-my bases are unique and special and belong everywhere!

You're the soibase.
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>>66255778

Mines not as gross but

>Painting at 11pm, no Uni tommorow so really getting into it
>Painting a sniper squadron, a proper vindicare and two other snipers from the Infinity range
>Listening to anime openings on repeat, changing when I get bored of that particular one
>Hear a very loud knock on my room door from my pal who is in the room next to me
>Apparently I was humming the OP to Air Gear at a really fucking loud volume
>Look at clock, its fucking 4 AM
>Next door neighbours have been pounding on the walls for ages

Felt like a fucking retard right then.
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>>66255427
Thats just the O-P toy with orky bits glued on and some trashy paint
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>>66255839
Just how thin are your walls geez
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>>66255763
>Android
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>>66255835
>He's so frustrated at this point he's moved on to just baiting
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>>66255835
Son, putting effort into using the base to create a complete look for your model by framing the model requires more effort and thus can never be soi. Now fuck off because you're clearly too young to be on 4chan if you think that something that requires more effort is less valuable than something like clear fucking bases.
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>>66255427
>Gobtimus Prime
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>New Siege of Terra website
>Character sections have black woman character there

Interesting
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>>66255849
Welcome to ork conversions
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>>66255859

Its relatively shitty student accommodation, so pretty thin. The noise travels really well through the walls and floors too. I have a non mechanical keyboard but every time I typed it sounded like a rumbling thunder in the room below me. I had to put a towel below my keyboard just so I didnt keep them up until midnight (I work as secretary and news writer for my 40k society in uni).
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>>66255861
I'm not baiting, everything I've said is factually correct.

>>66255866
>Son, putting effort into using the base to create a complete look for your model by framing the model requires more effort and thus can never be soi.

Any squandered effort for bad results is soi, especially when you never learn. You're like one of those menstrual blood painters.
Instead you should dedicated time to your board to make it look nice., and not then cover it up with shitty bases.
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>>66255876
AYO
HOL UP
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>>66255849
Being this new
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>>66255876
What's interesting about diversity hires?
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>>66255879

>>66255913

?
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>>66255913
>inb4 someone ork loots the bandai primarine
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>>66255849
>Thats just the O-P toy with orky bits glued on and some trashy paint
hownew.ru
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>>66255904
If I spend time making my board looking nice, then make my bases match my board no effort is lost and the whole effect is elevated even further. Similarly, matching base styles can tie the look of allied forces together when playing a mixed Chaos, Eldar or Imperium army.

Furthermore, you already shit on people for only playing on one table, so by your logic making my board look nice should be of greater soi than making my bases look nice.

Basically you're trying too damn hard, you have shit tastes and the only reason you think Ork Boys look bad is that you're too stupid to work out how paint them to look good (assuming you even paint them) and even stupider to assume you can't just convert the AOS ones into the "better" models you claim to want.
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>>66255942
my body is ready
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>>66255952
>>66255935
Mis transformation
Crazy bastard made a transformer from scraps
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>>66255921
Judt more interesting the whole "we gotta shove in blacks in order to make it diverse." Being in 40k now
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>>66255966
Don't bother anon. He'll just keep contradicting himself and making himself more upset. Let him seeth in peace
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Infiltrator release fucking when
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>>66255952

Its still copied from the toy and has no originality in it
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>>66256012
>seething concertlet
Take the knot
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>>66256003
Summer, maybe? They usually do something big during summer. Then they can do another Chaos wave to supplement all the monopose shit from Shadowspear.
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>>66256003
dark imperium came out 2 years ago and we still have box locked primaris ancient
shadowspear came out 2 months ago.
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>>66255966
>If I spend time making my board looking nice, then make my bases match my board no effort is lost

But when you have your bases on another board, it's shit.

>you already shit on people for only playing on one table, so by your logic making my board look nice should be of greater soi than making my bases look nice.

No, having multiple good looking tables is a good idea. Having shit looking bases for those tables is a terrible idea.

>Basically you're trying too damn hard

At what? I've been able to effortlessly defeat basefags and anti-newBoyzfags at every turn.

>>66255995
Show me one contradiction.
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>>66256034
Box locked characters are way less of an issue than box locked units.
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>>66256034
>just buy a $200 dollar box containing a bunch of other models you don't want and is also out of stock
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>>66256003
Never, primaris have been officially cancelled.
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>>66256003
who the fuck cares about primaris
oblits are still box locked
the new possessed are box locked
so is MOP
and venomcrawler
primarisfags can choke on the knot a few more years
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>>66256035
Most people don't have the space for multiple tables you fuckwit. Unless you run a gaming store, or some massive ITC tournament, having bases themed around a single table (or series of tables that follow the same theme) is perfectly normal among most most groups.

Also anyone who plays Daemons can tell you to go shank yourself in the anus with a rusty spoon since they literally change the world around them when they enter real space meaning their bases make more sense than clear ones ever would.
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>>66256035
>Show me one contradiction.
https://youtu.be/w9HrfrzL98I
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>>66256035
Firstly, saying that you "defeated" anyone. Second, saying that you have any level of intelligence or superior taste.
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>10 Wounds
>+4/++5
>Average of 9 STR9 AP-1 d3D attacks
>Gains an average of d3 wounds a turn
>75ppm

Wait shit, either too much time with the R+H book has ruined me or these are actually pretty good? Two could butcher a Russ for less points.

Assuming a really dense terrain board of course.
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>>66256111
It's melee so it's pretty shitty.
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>>66256084
>Most people don't have the space for multiple tables you fuckwit

Most people don't play by themselves either, retard. Do you have any friends? Do you never go to clubs or stores? How sad for you, basefag.

>>66256099
Those are all true historical events and 100% accurate.
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>>66255992
Reminder
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>>66256034
Gravis captain still hasnt had an individual release as well.
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>>66255992
>we wuz remembrancers n shiet

But seriously, Mersadie Oliton was the first non-Marine introduced in the series, and one of the principal human characters in the opening books.
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>>66255524
Promethium somehow has a conversion rating ten to ten thousand times that of kooky shit like FOOF but fucking disgusting to get hotboxed by.
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>>66256128
Good. He looks like shit. At least give them a decent pose.
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>>66255523
Shhh. We don't talk about the times we we terrifying cool.
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>>66255483
Adrian smith is clearly the superior choice
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>>66256158
>At least give them a decent pose.
you only have to do a little modifying to make him not look like complete shit. cutting it at the wrist to change the angle of the blade does a world of difference.
I need to get around to finishing this fucker.
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>>66256123
You do know that "Garage hammer" is a thing, right? And nice job ignoring my point about playing in an FLGS where most of the boards follow the same theme (because they were made by the same people).

You don't disprove anything, you cherry pick things out of context solely to try and claim you won while ignoring arugements that prove how fucking retarded you actually are.

And don't play the "you mad bro" card to try to weasel your way out of this later. You're a prime example of why new boyz won't work as a release: none of you fucking Orks players are ever fucking happy about anything. You have to try to win the stupidest of arguements with the stupidest of points and when you're wrong you still act like you're right. Go choke on your boyfriend's dick you fucking faggot.
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>>66256121
Fair enough in general play, but I tend to match up against lots of melee/close range Wraiths or shit like smash captains. Could it work as a big meaty roadblock? I kinda wanna convert one out of machine parts and the fleshy amalgamates from the Spawn kit as"recycled" voidsmen
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>>66255572
Eeehhh, it's your money and all, but good luck.
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>>66255992

Diversity has been in 40k ever since White Scars were de facto Asians, Salamanders became de facto black people, and Eldar literally have demigod female champions who can only be females. But suddenly its (chocolate) pussy behind a laspistol and internet nerds like you lose their goddamn minds.
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I'm very upset about the growing presence of knights in 40k. I didn't even like the Stompa (and I have an Ork army). Regardless of how neat the models are, they simply do not belong in a combined arms wargame, and they throw off the balance of everything because each army NEEDS to have an answer to huge juggernaut units. I want to fight with an ARMY vs an ARMY. I don't play 40k just to play Warmachine at a larger scale.
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New Admech game expansion is coming soon. The New enemies are Hereteks and they seem to be Necron worshippers.
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>>66256128
I'm hoping he gets one in the wave 3 of Primaris releases along side the rumored heavy armour Primaris.

>>66256197
Alternatively just rotate the entire arm like you can see here.
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>>66256234

Then ask your friends not to play knights against you.

>friends
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>>66256247

Looks badass. That would be a fun theme for a supplement to ally AdMech and Crons on the table.
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>>66256247
Call me when you can BE the Heretek
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>>66256233
Reminds me that I need to do chocolate Dark Eldar with white hair at some point.
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>>66256247
The expansion story is written by Ben Counter. Is he any good?
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>>66256234
>I want to fight with an ARMY vs an ARMY.
That's the point. Knights appear at army levels. If you want to avoid knights and other kinds of super heavies don't play at army level, stick to combat patrol or kill team where the largest things are battle tanks
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>have a terrible day at work
>friend calls and tells me to meet me in the city after work
>has a necron codex as a late birthday suprise
>buy necron starterkit and a bunch of colors
>gonna paint and drink whisky with the same friend the entire weekend
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>>66256234
knights aren't even hard to kill m8, they got what, 24-28 wounds? no invul to melee attacks, big targets in a meta that uses long range D6 damage weapons. cost a ridiculous amount of points to field, if you kill them your enemy is gonna have a rough time.
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>>66256234
Usually you can agree not to play Knights in low point games. In higher point games, you usually should have a superheavy answer.
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>>66256200
>You do know that "Garage hammer" is a thing, right?

Yeah, I do. You know that you're fiends can have garages and boards of their own too, right? It's amazing, and the things is they can have boards that don't look like your board! Incredible!

>And nice job ignoring my point about playing in an FLGS where most of the boards follow the same theme (because they were made by the same people).

I ignored it because it was absurd, people like to have different theme boards rather than the same one repeated, and there's more than one game shop to go to in any case, as well as having private board. Brainlet.

>You don't disprove anything

Except all your points.

>And don't play the "you mad bro" card to try to weasel your way out of this later. You're a prime example of why new boyz won't work as a release: none of you fucking Orks players are ever fucking happy about anything. You have to try to win the stupidest of arguements with the stupidest of points and when you're wrong you still act like you're right. Go choke on your boyfriend's dick you fucking faggot.

You seem mad, bro. Unsurprising, it's the typical brainlet reaction when confronted with obviously superior intellect.
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>>66256279
very based
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>>66256279
Sorry about the necrons bro
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>>66256279
>the army that's about to just get squatted
Sorry, anon.
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>>66256279
I'm so sorry
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>>66256247
>The New enemies are mirror match NPCs

Seems incredibly lazy.
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>>66255763
What are they doing with their hands?
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>>66256279
wholesome
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>>66256272
he isnt bad, or at least ADB levels of bad. Better than Nick Kyme at least.

>>66256254
The gravis captain just needs a tiny bit of work (usually just changing the position of the right arm) and the model looks so much better.

Really a lot (but not all) primaris stuff just needs a little tweeking to make them better.
a LOT of eldar swooping hawks died in the making of these models.
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>>66256271
Uhu huh
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>>66255547
He usually makes digital art that isn't as nice
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>>66256272
He wrote part of Mechanicus, one of the only good DA novels (the deathwatch one), some of the sanctus reach novels, the gk omnibus and I think a clown novel (haven't read that one)
he also wrote the really meh sammael novel so
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>>66256303
>squatted
What? You don't mean...
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>>66256288
>I ignored it because it was absurd, people like to have different theme boards rather than the same one repeated, and there's more than one game shop to go to in any case, as well as having private board. Brainlet.
You don't live in a rural area do you? We have exactly one FLGS here and no GW. It's either the FLGS, your house or a buddy's house. That's it.

And no, you don't disprove points, you cherry pick small parts of them, and try to disprove that out of context point. You build strawmen out of arguements and call yourself the winner while ignoring the overall argument.

And I'm not mad. I'm just done with you. Fuck Orks. I hope you get squatted right out of the game you fucking NPC race.
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>>66256368
this is more autistic than blocks ur path at this point
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>>66256364
Moved to Age of Sigmar.
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>>66256111
It got increased to 150 in CA. It was decent and had a tendency to attract a ton of fire because it could possibly have 20 wounds. It also would prevent your detachment from being battleforged. It really worked best as a distraction unit for me
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>>66256272
HAIRY DICK
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>>66256319
The skin lacks highlights, the bald head looks fucking retarded there, and that's not white hair.
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>>66256382
wut
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>>66256279
How do you get a cosplay gf? What sre cosplayers like as individuals?
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>>66256364
/tg/ consensus is that Necron focus has been diminishing, the army struggles greatly at high point values, and that GW isn't making sales and is looking to phase them out as a race.
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>>66256350
He has good digital art. but I do agree that his traditional art sketches are amazing
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>>66256334
Nice skin recipe. Thanks Anon!
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>>66256312
Cupping their imitation mammary glands to stimulate sexual attraction in the audience.
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>>66256350
>digital art bad meme
When will this end?
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>>66256406
necrons are going to AoS dude, did you not see the announcement?
Golden necron stormcasts, they're what remains of the tomb kings alongside necrons being awoken by sigmar
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>>66256334
God bless the person responsible for the Witch kit.
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>>66256410
You don't. Sweaty bastards like us have 0% chance of getting someone with any level of sanity.
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>>66256427
That sounds EPIC and FOR THE WIN, dude!
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>>66256288
Not that anon, but i'm very interested to see your models and how they look unbased. I see the point on clashing terrain, but blank black bases also look quite ugly against a nice board and clear bases are both difficult to game with and prone to staining/scuffing.
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>>66256411
Good. Fuck necrons.
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>>66256431
>cosplayers
>sane
Want to bet that they have daddy issues, trust issues and want to be dominated in bed?
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>>66256450
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>>66255486
Wolves do, Space Sharks do, and presumably other chapters that have to rely on older equipment do.
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>>66255992
Niggers have been in 40k for a while. GW has gone the "diversity for the sake of diversity" route but still more subtle about it than WotC. As long as you paint your miniatures however you want, it really doesnt matter

>>66256319
>>66256334
Needs more thicc
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>>66256459
>fucking psychological wrecks
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>>66256369
>We have exactly one FLGS here and no GW. It's either the FLGS, your house or a buddy's house.

So even in bumfuckistan you have options? You can have a board, you can have at least one friend with a board, you can have one store with at least one board. So unless you all decided to make the same board, you're bases will clash with two of the three boards open to you.

>And no, you don't disprove points

Yes I have, like just now. You'll ignore my good points of course and insist that I've said something ridiculous because you know I'm right, but your pride will not allow you to back down.

>And I'm not mad. I'm just done with you. Fuck Orks. I hope you get squatted right out of the game you fucking NPC race.

Oh you're mad, you're really mad. The funniest thing of course, is that I don't even play Orks, because the boyz look like shit.
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>>66256234
Think of it from GWs prospective.

Knights are selling like crazy.
So that must mean that people want more knight kits yes?

It's sad but not all decisions are based on rule balance.
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>>66256431
You gotta set your sights high anon
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>>66256197
Looks great.
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>>66256480
>mfw that black sister of battle head
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>>66256494
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>>66256111
>Only faction keyword is chaos.
Legally unfieldable in matched play.
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>>66256410
Go to a con and find out how much photoshop they do
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>>66256469
my homebrew blood angel succesor quite a few chainaxes and mark 3 armor, aswell as old tartaros armor. New equipment outweighs the old equipment, but the old equipment is still used ( and illegally produced).
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>>66256494
>I don't even play Orks
What a surprise
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>>66256410
Cosplayer (The male kind that can only get attention by wearing huge armor) here, in reality they're mostly pretty chill, average people with a creative hobby.
That, OR "Influencers" who are using cosplay as a tool to earn money, basically just professional models. It's a terrible idea to even try to be friends with those.
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>GW doing black facial structures for their kits
>yet no fucking asians

Why the fuck do these cum guzzlers think Diversity only means add black people? I want some fucking Asian faces
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>>66256410
same way you get any gf, have a car and your own place
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>>66256498
I've been wanting a proper Chaos Knight kit since the announced Knights.

Knights aren't the issue as much as GW not making the other super heavies (or even the bigger models in general like Greater Daemons) in the game worth taking unless they do more shooting than a Mobbed up Loota horde. Knights aren't the issue, the issue is a lack of thematic options for players to choose from that play at the same level as Knights.
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>>66256523
There it is, the dying gasp of a beaten brainlet.
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>>66256423
it's not the fact it's digital but how flat it often looks
And even then the better digital art is still inferior to the good traditional art we have for 40k
and no I'm not a fan of the heavily stilized RT era stuff
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>>66256549
Indeed. Proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about when he claims existing Ork players would buy into new models when he doesn't even buy the current ones.
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>>66256413
This one could use less saturated colors
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>>66256567

You know what, I'll agree with you there. My displeasure with superheavies is the lack of response options. I mean you've got the Riptide and Wraithknight for Xenos and that's kind of it.
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>>66256551
I believe that most Warhammer cosplay is rather mediocre with the exception of a few unique individuals. You'd think we'd have plenty of authentic looking guardsmen yet it always feels a bit cheap.
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>>66256506
>>66256410
>>66256431
You don't.
If you want them they will not be interested in you and if they want you, you have much better women available.
Cosplay-thots with patreons are literally the strippers of our generation.
A lot of them are escorts on the side, especially when their follower base don't grow anymore.
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>>66256588
>he claims existing Ork players would buy into new models when he doesn't even buy the current ones.

Yeah, no one would buy good models over shitty models.
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>>66256567
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>>66256572
Quit bitching about an army you don't even play brainlet. You can't speak for Ork players when you're not even an Ork player.
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>>66256279
wholesum, but sorry about the necrons bro, maybe you can trade them up
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>>66256494
>I don't play X
>So let me tell you why Y will make it better without X
'kay, thanks.
I'll add your suggestion to the trash.
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>>66256604
>I mean you've got the Riptide and Wraithknight for Xenos and that's kind of it.
You are aware that one of the reason Ynarri was so cancer is how easily they deal with super heavies right ?
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>>66256604
We should have two types of units available in every faction: some kind of super heavy hunting unit (like Tank Boyz but cranked up further) and a super heavy that plays at the same level as a knight. That way you have options to go both ways and neither is wrong.
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>>66256611
The true secret is not to try and pickup a cosplayer while theyre at a con because a million other thirsty dudes are already trying to do that.
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>>66256620
I never said I was speaking for Ork players, I said I wanted new boyz, and that Ork players would be likely to buy them.

>>66256633
Never said that though, did I?
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>>66256556
>What are white scars, which have unique models and are getting a huge 30k release
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>>66256615
Oh it's true you'd get NEW players, but it doesn't prove the EXISTING players would spend more money on something.
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>>66256610
The reason for that is around 99% the paintjobs. The crafting is usually done really well, aside from some proportions issues, but then for some reason people forget everything they know about painting the second it's a costume rather than a model.
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>>66256620
>>66256633
Reminder one of his arguments against updating characters is that they wouldn't be useful for his army. Not only is he a retard he's actively lying to try and give credit to his position
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>>66256525

Oh fuck, you're right.

FW really is less than an afterthought at this point.
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>>66256480
UNF!
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>>66256556

>yet no fucking asians
You’re over 20 years late lad.
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When are Chaos Knights getting released?
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>>66256494
>Turbo autist shitposter doesn't even play
Colour me surprised.
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>>66256651
Why would you pick up a cosplayer ? Just pick up any sexy women with less daddy issues and get her to dress up in bed.
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>>66256634

No, I wasn't aware. I hate elves and there are very few Eldar players in my area so I don't see them often.
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The local GW`s manager decided that starting next monday only painted models may be fielded, can he do that ?
I dont go there that often, does he want me to not come back at all ?
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>>66256653
You lied by omission anon. That's a sin in and of itself as it misrepresents your entire argument as someone who is already invested in the army when you aren't. You can't speak for existing Ork players and their spending habits because you aren't one. You're just a sack of shit.
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>>66256667
To be fair, it's two different skills. Like model painting and model freehand painting.
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>>66256676
Yup. They aren't useful in his army because he doesn't have an army.

>>66256695
Not announced yet, but since we've seen the models, I'd guess June.
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>>66256695
probably later this year if they already have model kits and a cover for the codex available. If I had to guess, probably within the next 3 months.
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>>66256319
This guys follows literral trannies on his IG.
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>>66256706
I'd rather someone enjoy doing it already then get them to do it for sex reasons. Also a cosplayer like shares a lot of my other interest by circumstance
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>>66256712
You'd be surprised how much of it follows the same basic principles, it's just the techniques that are different
All kinds of professional cosplayers do the exact same shade/highlight formula that we do, just scaled up, and mostly using oil washes and the like.
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>>66256706
>less daddy issues
?????
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>>66256709
Nah you could probably call GW and get him in trouble
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>>66256666
>Oh it's true you'd get NEW players, but it doesn't prove the EXISTING players would spend more money on something.

Why wouldn't they? Everyone likes better looking stuff. They might not rush out and buy twenty boxes to replace their green tide, but they'd probably pick some up.

>>66256676
>Reminder one of his arguments against updating characters is that they wouldn't be useful for his army.

Just that core units are more numerous and that you use fewer characters.

>>66256710
>You lied by omission anon.

How?

>You can't speak for existing Ork players

I've never claimed to be speaking for ork players, I've said what I wanted, and what I think ork players would do. Nobody can speak for an entire fanbase.
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>>66256709
There is such a thing as "tabletop standard" i.e. basic attempt at a paintjob - it's enforced in WHW and many tournaments. Plenty of WarhammerTV guides on doing the first few steps of a job, not that hard to learn. Or wait for contrast.
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>>66256722
>Not announced yet, but since we've seen the models, I'd guess June.
>>66256728
>probably later this year if they already have model kits and a cover for the codex available. If I had to guess, probably within the next 3 months.
eh... at least I don't play at all. I just want one of them because they looks cool
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>>66256709
my first GW store had this policy too, you needed to have at least 3 colours on all your models. There were clever ways around this of course but still, it wasn't a bad policy. The place was busy with regulars during its day, easily geting 12-20 people a night on fridays, and everyone had painted armies so watching them play was enjoyable.
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The venom-themed Warcry warband will look great. I. ight use them in my DE army somehow, even though only 2 are elves.
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>>66256773

I'm with you. I sold a lot of my orks and I won't be getting back in until we have new Boyz sculpts. Characters could use an update too for sure but Boyz would be way more important to do first; we can (and do) convert plenty of characters ourselves.
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>>66256775
i already spent 3k € on 40k alone this year, they are my models( and i am painting them slowly, but steadily) and i dont wanna get forced to make them mediocre just to field them.
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>>66256773
Except you find orks ugly and outdated =/= most find them ugly and too outdated. They aged fine and it'd just be a side-grade that'd fuck up current model range for conversions.
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>>66256709
Get a can of Corax White spray and a tub of paint. Thin the tub as much as you can. Spray your minis. Dip them halfway into the tub. Profit.
That's how I dealt with it when it happened and I didn't want to paint my orks.
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>>66256541
Ah. These guys have a mix and match of Crusade/Heresy era pattern weapons/gear and the more modern stuff you see marines you minus centurions and the like. They are on a budget, and to have a full suit of mk7 is something of a status symbol in the chapter. Far as terminator armor goes they have a pretty good set of it. 35 suits of indomitus, 3 suits of cataphractii(one of which must always be used by the chapter master), and one suit of tartaros that their first company champion may use if he thinks he need extra protection.
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>>66256785
I'm working on mono-Slaanesh Daemons, but my next army is going to be Slaanesh themed Knights to match my Daemons. From there I'm thinking Slaanesh themed R&H (going the conversion focused route and using Escher Gangers) or Emperor's Children.
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>>66256655
Yeah but the models dont have Asian features or eyes damn it
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>>66256688
wash with sepia instead of fleshtone.

voila, asians.
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>>66256793
I ran neapolitan IG in stores like that. Large armies are hard to paint.
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>>66256819
>painting eyes instead of just using shade to suggest eyes at a distance
Look at this fucking try hard.
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>>66256819
implying anyone here can paint caucasian eyes, versus 25% thinner to do asian eyes.
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>>66256706
its not even difficult to get your gf to dress up in SoB cosplay, if shes a normie she will just think its some kinky religious shit.
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>>66256838
>painting eyes
>having eyes on your model
The Omnissiah laughs.
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>>66256798
Thank you.

>>66256805
>Except you find orks ugly and outdated =/= most find them ugly and too outdated.

Okay and? I just said I wanted new boyz because the current ones are trash. We've established that I'm not the speaker for the overmind, right?
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>>66256800
Honestly if you're making an effort and wanting to do em well i'm sure no one would give a fuck about you fielding grey plastic, its more targeted at lazy WAACfags. Just talk to the owner, i'm sure he wont mind.
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>>66256847
Just cus you are a shitter doesn't make my point any less true. Its bs that we have to have blacks everywhere but no Asians all while ADB strokes his cock about how 'diverse' GW is now.
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>>66256683
>>66256525
Aktchually you could summon it
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>>66256817
>but my next army is going to be Slaanesh themed Knights to match my Daemons
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>>66256798
This is me too, new boyz please
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>>66256811
thats a cool way to explain it.I dont field centurions either, but i would if i could.
My guys are sponsored by a corrupt Inquisitor( who also keeps them from being excommunicated again)
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Can CSM space marines summon Greater Daemons like a great unclean one using Daemonic Ritual? Or is it literally restricted to basic daemons only?
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>>66256898
Yes on the purple, no on the dildo. I actually go outside to play games.

Plus I like Slaanesh's use of MAKE IT FUCKING LOUD over anything to do with the rule 34 side of things.
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>>66256875
usually i would agree, but there are barely any waac fags at that store, most of them left the community and formed their own community. Sure, there is still the sweaty neckbeard waacfag left that for some reason decided not to leave together with the other waacfags, but other than him most people there are more or less casual, some even CAAC tier casual.
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>>66256525
>>66256683
>>66256884
You can summon chaos without them being in your list. Reinforcement points.

Also, read the FAQ on imperial armors, they add a lot of faction rules and such to units.
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>>66256459
sounds like most women to me
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>>66256928
>tfw we haven't just gotten more and more wacky electric guitar marines
C'mon I want my army to be made solely of glam rockers
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>>66256928
I feel the same way, I like the idea of excess noise and just fuckin madness on the battlefield but everyone immediately just thinks Slaanesh = rape shit
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>>66256898
I approve of this.
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>>66256961
The one you have a chance to sleep with yeah
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>>66256918
Anything with the daemonic ritual rule can be summoned, and a great unclean one does indeed have the rule
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>>66256978
That'd be cool. Actually I just want more sonic weaponry in general. Then again I also want Slaanesh Daemons with Daemonic Instruments to have a shooting attack where they brown note you.

>>66256980
I'm learning to wetblend just to push dark purple up to pink in a smooth transition on large bits of cloth for my models just to try to get a bit of that riot of color thing going on too.
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>>66256985
yeah exactly, most of em
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>>66256918
No it's possible, but Power Level tends to limit what you can actually get out: PL 17+ for most Greater Daemons on 3D6 or 4D6 with stratagem is still quite difficult.

Also starting with like 400pts of units less in match play is pretty fucking pointless when you can make a detachment and warp-strike them in anyway for about the same cost.
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>>66257016
Nice, I was worried that since the datasheets werent in the CSM Codex that this wasnt allowed (fuck you Cruddance you dumb fuck, would it have killed you to include those?)
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>>66256910
>thats a cool way to explain it.I dont field centurions either, but i would if i could.
They probably don't need centurions anyway.
>My guys are sponsored by a corrupt Inquisitor( who also keeps them from being excommunicated again)
Why were they excommunicated in the first place?
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>>66257037
Peak Emperor's Children is an army where every Noise Marine unit is a reference to a different metal/glam rock band
GW is English for fuck's sake, I'm sure some metalhead has done it
Although the only 40k metalhead I ever knew played Imperial Fists
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>>66257065
Putting FW into the codexes doesn't happen anymore after Cruddace fucked with that idea in 5th edition. Probably because it didn't lead to more FW models being sold but more conversions of stuff people already had instead.
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>>66257111
Can you not get all that cheaper on eBay?
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Nick Bayton touched upon using Contrast over other basecoats.

Apparently Basilicanum over Leadbelcher works for Necrons and Blood Angel over Retributor gives a nice candy red.
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>>66257091

Did they even have kits for all the FW stuff that got put in? Thinking specifically of the IG 'dex, the 5e additions were
- arty variants (not sure how many had live kits in the FW shop at that time, but I don't think they had all the kits available)
- Russ variants (put in to the plastic Russ kits)
- the Hydra (don't think they had a FW kit live at the time)
- flyers
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>>66255294
>usually
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>>66257081
I'm not cool enough to do something like that to be honest. I want them to make the special Noise Marine model an actual character for the army. Then again I want a lot of things. Like sonic weapons for Knights.
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>>66257081
>Although the only 40k metalhead I ever knew played Imperial Fists.
Wait where the fuck are you from? Warhammer and metal are incredibly intertwined.
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>>66257122
German ebay is fucking devoid of Thousand Sons stuff, unless I buy manlet Rubrics from 10 years ago.
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>>66257081
>Peak Emperor's Children is an army where every Noise Marine unit is a reference to a different metal/glam rock band
well, I have a new long term goal
>Although the only 40k metalhead I ever knew played Imperial Fists
every metalhead I know plays Iron Warriors or World Eaters, aside from me and my Alpha Legion
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How does Forge World stuff work with other 40k shit? Is it technically legal, or is it something that's agreed to be used by both players in a casual kind of setting?
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>>66257130
Also, from the Primaris showcase. The left of pot ones were undercoated Wraithbone while the right one was undercoated Grey Seer.
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>>66257111
Get them from your FLGS. Not only will you be supporting where you play, but some FLGS will give discounts on large orders.

>>66257136
The Manticore was a FW model at the time, the Russ Variants were all plastic on release, the Hydra wasn't until 6th or 7th edition when they added the Wyvern and the FW flyers didn't get added in beyond the Valkryie which got a plastic kit.
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>>66257160

It's officially the same as GW kits. There used to be a lot of murkiness with it in the past (due to how few people had them and how hard it was to obtain copies of the rules), but IIRC at the beginning of 8th GW came down and said that FW should be treated as no different than GW's own kits/units.
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>>66257160
It's third party shit
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>>66257147
We have plenty of metalheads locally, but I'm the only idiot dumb enough to go all in on Slaanesh.
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>>66257091
Wait so summoning a Great Unclean One is technically FW rules and not CSM rules?
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>tfw someome does your army conversion concept but better
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>>66257160
It's legal in most tourny settings and most stores allow it, except a few odd stores that can't sell FW product and don't want to advertise it.
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>>66257160
Forgeworld is owned by gamesworkshop. You always have and always will be allowed to use them.
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>>66257170
>Wraithbone
>Grey Seer

Are these going to be actual paints or just sprays?
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>>66257188
So that means I had an Admech transport available the entire time?
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>>66257130
Soul Stone does a nice job of it too.

I kind of want to try the Soul Stone Blue as a way to do a candy blue color, but I don't know if it'll work out.
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>>66257182
I didn't know about the Manticore - I do remember Hydras being mostly kitbashed when the 'dex hit (though I'm pretty sure they existed in Epic prior to that), I know that there are still some conversion kits for a few of the other arty types but I can't recall if they were all available.
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>>66257199
Summoning is more of a Chaos rule as in it's in Chaos Daemons and Chaos Marines. FW is likely copy pasting it fromt here.
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>>66257076
yeah, they really dont need them, they dont fit my play stile
>>66257076
Basically for becoming Renegades/being forced to become Renegades. Said Inquisitor managed to forge some documents to prove that they were still loyal and they were allowed to return into the Imperium(under very strict conditions).
They turned Renegade because their chapter command was corrupted by chaos and wanted to corrupt the rest of the chapter, but while in exile there was a civil war and the chapter command lost it. After this they were contacted by an Inquisitor, who convenient offed them an Amnesty, but in turn they became his pets and had to do everything he said, otherwise he might damn them all again. There are plans to " remove " said inquisitor once he stops being useful.
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>>66257160
>How does Forge World stuff work with other 40k shit?
just fine, but its not as well supported as GW's rules.

>Is it technically legal, or is it something that's agreed to be used by both players in a casual kind of setting?
completely legal for all levels of play as long as you have the requisite Imperial Armor book(s) and errata's to play them. IF the rules are still in 'beta' testing, like the Sicaran Omega, then you need your opponents permission to use them.
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>>66257215
They're sprays for getting an ultra smooth prime for the Contrast paints to work on.
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>>66257215
Spray and pot apparently
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>>66257269
>>66257270
I'll choose to believe in the pot.
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>>66257224

Available? Yes. Worth using... well, that's a question for people better versed in AdMech units and strategies than I am.
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>>66256567

>Knights arent the issue
>Other armies not having knight equivalents is!

So knights are the issue.
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>>66257063
This one of the few things Word Bearers can actually do well: Dark Pact strat + Incursion psychic power gets you up to roll 4d6 with the ability to independently re-roll any individual die, giving you an *average* PL of 17. Of course, in any context where you're attempting this, you absolutely need it to succeed, and you won't get up to 17 reliably, just more than half the time.

It's a pity there's no way to split the rolled rating into multiple units - that would be so much more useful. But the real problem is needing to commit a fixed number of points up front, then later rolling to see, functionally speaking, how many you're allowed to spend.
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>>66255461
>KANEDWAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
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>>66257224
the termite can transport admech, but holy fuck $130 for a single one is a hell of price to transport 10 skitarii.

the rules arent bad, but the pricetag is crazy.
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>>66257111
How old are those thousand sons models?
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>>66257311
Sounds like a brush on primer then.
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>>66257328
No because Knights are balanced well, but most other super heavy type models, or even models of the same size are not. It's not fair to pin the blame on properly balanced models for poorly balanced ones.
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>>66257378
Two years or so.
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>>66257378
2 years or something?
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>>66256506
>Set your sights high
She is a real life whore, you know that right? Her personal website advertises it, and even has testimonials from dudes who paid to fuck her.
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>>66257328
>So knights are the issue.
Eldar and dozens of D-weapons for years and knights and other superheavies (especially eldar) werent the issue. The issue is that everyone wants to fucking play hordes and they dont want to take any tank killing weapons.

and in the instance of necrons, they just dont have much tank killing weapons because of changes to rules. At least the Ceraptek can go toe-to-toe with knights now. And eldar already have answers to knights. Nids dont have a superheavy of their own outside of the Heirophant, and ork superheavies are mediocre at best. Tau superheavies are decent.
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>>66257419
That was a scam for bitcoin that has long since been debunked anon
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>>66255692
>SquatNecromunda.jpg
Slowly but surely...
...and most likely as a Militarum Auxilla unit, akin to Ratlings and Ogryns. The lore could justify this by noting how shortly after, if not around the same time as the events portrayed in Vigilus Ablaze, the Squats recouped their demographic losses since they got BTFO by Hive Fleet Bahemoth.
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>>66257465
if we get squat auxilia, I want felinid auxilia next.
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>>66256567
>super heavy gains extra rules
>tough to bring down without massed anti tank only firing (or charging) at it repeatedly T1-2/3
>fast as hell
>decent shooting
>stomps fuck hordes, melee options delete anything important you love
>not actually a ton of points
>can be kitted only for melee or only for shooting
>fills literally any weaknesses your army may have had
>accessible to like 85% of fucking armies thanks to <IMPERIUM> and <CHAOS>
>Even if it sits there and fucking dies in two turns it took an obscene amount of focus and was an uber-distraction carnifex
>No other superheavy “knight” class models even come close to its power level in the same points cost

Yeah, Knights ARE the problem. Double this with the fact that this edition most vehicles (especially transports) are absolute trash and now these giant stompy knights are cleaning house especially against non-meta (or at least non-WAAC) players who don’t tailor their list with 15 lascannons expecting their opponent to bring knights and trying to OTK it.
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>>66257411
>>66257403
Ah so they are updated, im assuming termies too?
Makes the idea of fielding them much more tempting
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How much trouble could I get in if I sold recast models on Ebay? I bought some old school stormtroopers in metal but I didn't like them. They're really good casts, I wouldn't be able to tell if they were recasts personally.
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>>66257378
The Rubrics are newscale
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>>66257423
Nids have 4 Lord of War choices from FW.

That said, I do get that some people like playing with just their dudes and not big things and I feel armies do need to have an Super Heavy killer unit option as well (likely something that can Deep Strike in outside of 3" of any model with the Titanic keyword to represent them sneaking up on the big thing before they try and bring it down), but more armies need their own big things to work too.

I mean I'd love to throw Keepers of Secrets at Knights, but the match up doesn't work.
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>>66257488
And yet there are other super heavies that should fight at the same level but hit like a Leman Russ that forgot to bring half it's guns to the table.

Knights aren't the problem, the over costed nature or complete lack of options for other factions is.
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>>66257493
DG and TS models are truescale and both have new models that were released withing the last 2 years.

WE and EC havent received their updates yet, but BL just got truescale models.
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>>66257480
stop making me want to hotglue models
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>>66256706
MOMMY MILKY WARM AND TASTY!
MOMMY! MILKY! PLEASE BE HASTY!
REFRESHING DRINK FROM MOMMY'S UDDERS!
I WANT MOMMY'S AND NO OTHER'S!
GIVE IT! GIVE IT! GIVE IT NOW!
GIVE ME MILKY, LAZY SOW!
UNTIL YOU DO I'LL SCREAM I'LL SHOUT!
I”LL CRY I'LL WHINE AND STOMP ABOUT!
UNTIL MY BELLY IS FULL AND HAPPY!
I REFUSE TO TAKE A NAPPY!
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>>66257400

I'd argue that the presence of super-heavies pretty much at all unbalances the game, since it forces lists to either
- take more heavy AT than would otherwise be required in order to have an effective answer to the superheavy (and since lists are zero-sum, that's points that cannot be spent on weaponry to deal with other types of units, like hordes or flyers or things with invulns or cover campers); or
- take a balanced list and forfeit the capacity to effectively deal with the superheavy while hoping the superheavy doesn't do too much damage to the list (which means the superheavy player can effectively call the shots for the rest of the game unless the other player rolls stupidly well).

This could be mitigated if they were hard-capped at 1 per 2000pts, since that would be room enough for most lists to get a reasonable amount of heavy AT without gimping their list, but I'm not sure that there would be a way to include them at lower point values without leaving AT unchanged and them being unstoppable or changing AT to deal with superheavies and leaving them far too fragile for their cost (while also dis-incentivizing regular heavies even harder).
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>>66257505
Heirodules are just alternate carnifexes. they are not very large. They might as well consider the dimachearon as a LoW.

Heirophant and Harridan are LoW, but nids need some kind of LoW between the Heirophant and the Hive Tyrant. I recommend the Dominatrix as being the inbetween that can compete with shit like Knights and Ceraptek.
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>>66257554
I'd agree they should be capped (I'd argue for a percentage cap like HH, fuckers can't do math so let's no go there) unless you're playing a specialized list (like a Knight only list).

Honestly the only Knight I've ever heard actual complaints about was the Castellan, and that got fixed already so I don't think we have the same problems we had with the Knights in the meta.
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>>66257523
Are they overcosted or are knights undercosted? That’s the real issue. I personally think knights should cost more to be in line with superheavy power scaling for a few reasons-
1. It will cost an actual significant amount of points so you can’t easily dip into allying a knight to cover your own ass
2. It encourages other, cheaper options that may output similar damage or roles that normally aren’t seen because why aren’t you using a knight in 8e
3. It discourages knights being taken in lower point games. It irks me to see a knight in a game at 1500 or below. They simply don’t belong there, most players would have to properly tailor a list to combat a knight at 1250 points, and may even struggle (depending on army) at 1500.
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>>66257480
>felind
It would be more likely for GeeDubz to do to the Metal Ratlings what they did to CSM since Shadowspear.
Even the Squats are better represented by current lore than Furries (the abhuman ones, not the transhuman kind).
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>>66257350
I feel you. I'll wait for the hovercraft at that price. Plus I'm pretty sure it's literally just a drop pod
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>>66257588
They have a high wounds count and pack a much heavier weapon that a normal Nid can.
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>>66257249
Oh I see. Neat story anon. What's their color scheme?
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>>66257613
the termite is significantly better than a drop pod. It deals mortal wounds to units within 12" when it comes in, and it can take phosphex weapons AND can move after deepstriking.

its MUCH better than a drop pod.
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>>66257599
I don't feel Knights are undercosted now that the Castellan is fixed. The Baneblade chassis is WAY over costed and most others in other armies aren't well points costed either, but since they're all FW and GW seems to hate FW I'm not shocked.

The FW Greater Daemons used to be LOW models, but not that the regular Greater Deamons caught up to them in size I feel like GW should should just go all in and make the Greater Deamons proper LoW and let them be proper face wreckers.
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>>66257498

I sold one recast model on Ebay and was sent to jail for 10 years
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>>66257591

I wouldn't mind the percentage cap myself, since it would be a little more granular and allow for lesser superheavies like the Macharius line to be taken in games where they would be tolerable but something like a Knight or Baneblade would not, though I agree the math could get a little wonky.
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Someone point me in the right direction for Z's email.
Don't tell me to google it because all six emails I've found are dead.
I just want some cheap Kriegers.
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>Looking over the Daemonic Ritual rules know that I realize that you can summon any daemon
>if you get doubles you take a mortal wound, and if trips you get d3 mortal wounds

So what the fuck is the God damn point then eh GW? WHAT IS THE GOD DAMN POINT FUUUUUCK
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>>66255461
>ork players in general tend to be a hell of a lot more creative and kitbash/convert their shit compared to most other playerbases
yeah when your number one defense is "its SUPPOSED to look like hardboiled dogshit" are you really a master artisan for replicating it
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>>66257689

Send me the dosh I'll order em for you and send them your way no problem
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>>66255361
Agree with the first half. Most of the times ork conversions are pure shit, with the least minimum effort.
t. ork player
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>>66257689
>Someone point me in the right direction for Z's email.
sure its.....
>I just want some cheap Kriegers.
oh no, you can just fuckoff.
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>>66255510
thats well painted but badly conceptualized and converted, the pose makes no sense and no one with an extremely hot oversized meltagun would go shirtless
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>>66255778
/tg/ at its finest
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>>66257697
Mid-game list tailoring, and pseudo deepstrike.
It fucking sucks, but that's the idea in GW's retarded minds.
Please GW do like with AoS and let us earn a ressource to summon with.
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>>66257770
I take it you missed the brothers of the knot last night?
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>>66257640
grey and bronze. They look better in Person. The Red/Yellow legs are a reminder of his shame because he is currently indebted to the howling griffins who saved his ass
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>>66257801
This is my WIP Repulsor
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>>66257505
To be fair, two of those LoW options are the same size as a Tyrannofex, and don't really measure up to knights, in terms of rules.
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>>66257826
>when your color scheme is the same color as the unprimed plastic kit
why do people do this
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>>66257842
because it looks darker and smoother than plastic once i am done with it
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>>66257842
>Greyknightsjoke.jpg
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>>66257715
>sure it's
You don't know shit, I don't want to ruin his business by someone posting it here I was just hoping for a nudge in the right direction.
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>>66257784
It's just so fucking shit I cant fucking understand it. You obviously want to summon something good with that ability but it fucking punishes you for actually getting something that is actually useful FUCK

THIS IS ON TOP OF PAYING THE POINTS FOR IT TO BE IN FUCKING REINFORCEMENTS FOR FUCKS SAKE
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>>66256234
Outside of Kill Team that's just the escalation of battle. The scale of the game has grown. Agree to do a narrative match that takes into account logistics or other reasons LoWs might not make an appearance. >>66256277 is right
>>66256281

>no invul to melee attacks
Depends on knight. All of them can get a relic 5++, some pay points to have a 5++ in melee. But they are expensive.
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>>66257725
He's ordering the boys to get down in those trenches
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>>66257872
I actually do, but since you want to be a faggot about it the only hint I will give you is yoyhammer
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>>66257934
I'm already in yoyhammer anon. Rule #1 is don't give out information. That's why I'm trying to find the email.
Also how is not wanting to ruin Z's business being a faggot?
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>>66257488
Most Knights players have an argument to counter each of these rules.

Makes me want to buy a Warhound just so I can turn said aguments against them.

>Just play the objective bro!
>Just concentrate fire, bro!
>You shoulda brought more AT bro!
>Just need more terrain, bro!
>Warhounds are fine! It’s knights that are over coated, bro!

But then I remember that matching asshole with asshole just makes two assholes.
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>>66257965
you arent a faggot for not wanting to ruin Z, you are a faggot for buying kreiggers.
>t. salty elysian player
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>>66257989
there actually was someone who brought a warhound to the adepticon( at least i think it was adepticon).
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>>66255366
Those are great
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>>66257996
I just wanted to paint them desu.
The only actual army I have right now is Death Guard.
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>>66257989
>>66258002
warhounds are 2k points, and have been that way for almost 2 years. You arent going to see them in competitive play at all.
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>Fars*ght sympathisers
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>>66258027
But isnt 2k the point level most tournaments use ?
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>>66257599
Other LoWs ate definitely overcosted. Because equivalent options in no LoWs are often better. There should be formats, one that includes a LoW point limit like 30k does with the 25% rule.

>>66257662
>The Baneblade chassis is WAY over costed
That's a blatant lie. They are criminally undercosted. Rest is true. Fellblade and Falchion need to drop 300 points. Astreues 100. None of them should cost more than the Castellan.
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>>66256277

Are we actually at "Army" level, though? Most lists can't go beyond Platoon or Company level, Army would include multiple companies worth of infantry/armor/monstrous creatures etc.
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>>66257801
>>66257826
I'll have to take a better look when I get back to my desktop.
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>>66257996
>70 gbp
>Conversion rate atm comes to $89-90 US
>Charge $109

Forgeworld can eat a dick
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>>66258038

>They are criminally undercosted
How so?
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>>66258036
GW tournaments are 1750 points thanks to slowplaying orkfags.

ITC is 2k, but the castellan was better for killing anything with the titanic keyword for 1/3 the points and strategems that allow it fire at full profile and improve its invul save.
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>>66258073
you got a source for that ?
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>>66258027
It’s not about competition. It’s that Knight players bring all superheavies to a pickup game and try to justify it, so I have the urge to bring the Superheavy of Superheavies to those same pickup games and use their same justifications against them.
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>>66258053
Forgeworld is what happens when you take GW overprice philosophy and turn it to 11
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>>66255577
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>>66258083
Yeah, seriously. Meanwhile, I can get that same unit for $56 from a particularly good recaster. It's hard to justify purchasing anything direct from FW at all these days.
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Knights players make me sick
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So what happened to the mega with the novels and audiobooks?
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>>66258030

>F*cking Monk*igh
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>>66258098
>proper fencing form psyker vs big fuck off not-berserker
50/50 fight desu
>>66258119
just play the objective bro lol isn't it so fun playing hide and seek haha
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>>66258042
Yes. The presence of large amounts of armor and infantry along leaders such as captains or hive tyrants indicates that this is army level. The next level is apocalypse where infantry are largely displaced and the higher end things become even more prolific. We do use skirmish rules for an army sized game which makes all sorts of issues though.
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>>66258098
>Dark Eldar has less mass than his lower leg
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>>66258098
Who is this artist? He's terrible
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>>66257465
Fantastic miniature too. Don't thing I've seen a GW dwarf miniature with such good physical proportions before.
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>>66258098
Those are frost axes.
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>>66258083
Also, it’s worth noting their designs are only really better for models don’t have long, thin barrels.

>Press F for Krieg players who live in the American South
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>>66258153
I don’t know, it’s the cover of the Deathwolf audiobook
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>>66258081

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/05/40k-warhammer-world-gt-drops-to-1750-points-for-the-2018-19-season.html
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Okay, some nerd at the LGS was saying that attractive Tau are a thing in canon now.

Didn't get the chance to ask him his source. Does anyone know if that's a real thing?
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>>66258116
I'm seriously considering just 3D printing my drill in resin.
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>>66258153
The same dude has drawn a lot of stuff, all of them with distorted proportions and silly poses. I think he made the image of the chaplain shooting at the ground in front of him.
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>>66258181
I've seen a few folks print some solid stuff, as long as they took their time with it. Mine as well try it.
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>>66258147
Eldar are twigs in lore, tall, slender, and light as a feather. A fully armed and armored craftworlder is only around 130 pounds despite being almost 7 feet tall.
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>>66258175
thanks m8
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>>66258176
99% sure he's a weeb fuck.
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>>66258192
[Citation FUCKING needed]
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>>66258176
If he's attracted to hoof fish people then they're attractive by definition
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>>66258172
They have rotating teeth, though
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>>66258185
I've seen a lot of his works and it's always bad. I least like the iron hands one
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>>66258176
Sounds like heresy. But there is Water Caste who are bred to be diplomats so yes they do look attractive. But Fire, Earth and Air Castes don't look good because they aren't made to look good.
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>>66258135
As a guard player, I run exactly 1 company of 4 platoons with leaders and all, and 1 platoon of Leman Russes at 2k. If I trimmed the fat I might be able to turn the 1 company into two, which would make this somewhere around “Brigade” level.
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>>66258191
I know there are occasional threads here and on /3/ about printing, and with a half decent resin printer and some sandpaper I could probably have three drills for the price of one.
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>>66258176
Yeah man look at this hot piece of ass, the examplar of Tau beauty and elegance
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>>66258195
They changed the points values for GW tournaments after a slow playing ork player won the tournament at warhammer fest 2018, he never let any of his games get past turn 3, so he won his games by hitting the time limit and not letting his opponent play. so orks controlled most if not all the objectives turn 1 and 2, and by turn 3 the game was pretty much over by time limit.
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>>66258176
Female Tau don't have eyelashes or tits, which are two of the primary attractors for human women, but Earth Caste tau *do* have child-bearing hips - iirc, paired with a waist to match, so you're SOL trying to find the classic hourglass shape.

As for male Tau, once again there's no body hair or any other mammal-only body part, but the waist to hip ratio will match expected, and they have humanoid skeletons, so it's plausible, but I don't think any of the castes have particularly broad shoulders. Could be wrong on that.

For both genders, you'd also have to get over a lack of eyebrows.
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>>66258192
Yeah but they also have a bunch of big ass n tiddy art, so maybe they've just got unusually light body materials? Like she got a G cup, but still weighs 100 pounds?
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>>66258221
In real life military sure, but we are taking about game scales and that is an army scaled force for 40k.
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>>66258176
>Okay, some nerd at the LGS was saying that attractive Tau are a thing in canon now.

No.
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>>66258220
>But there is Water Caste who are bred to be diplomats so yes they do look attractive
To other tau. Not to humans. A human looking tau would look but ugly to their own people.
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>>66258247
what a fag
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>>66258247
I fucking hate how every tournament, no matter the game, always has that one asshole who intentionally plays slow to win by technicality.
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>>66258134

That's a deldar not a cwaftworlder, no psyke
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>>66258248
>Earth Caste tau *do* have child-bearing hips
Citation needed.
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>>66258278
Sorry I get my knife ears all mixed up, I'll give it a 75/25 then
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>>66258265
:<
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>>66258268
IIRC The one that got fucked by Cato Sicarius was described as beautiful for a Xenos. Though I could be wrong.
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>>66258305
Uhh I could bang that.
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>>66258169
Damn. No backups?
That was a huge archive of material.
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>>66258256
In-game you might be able to stretch it to “Regiment” level, since each guard player is encouraged to create their own regiment, and the advisors you bring are regimental advisors. That’s still just a small fraction of an Army.

And keep in mind Guard is a horde army so that’s as large as it gets. Most Space Marine players field below a company. Deathwatch, Grey Knights And Custodes will be lucky to field more than a platoon.
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>>66258300

Not just any old deldar by the looks of it either, looks like an Archon based on the helm which means he will probably explode into a black hole when killed and be revived 24 hours later because the haemy took his pinky to regrow him from
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>>66258222
Could also sell printing time to friends and others at your FLGS, as long as they dont mind the legality issues. It could be a fairly profitable long-term investment.
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>>66258322
>mfw
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>>66258335
Anon when captains and company commanders and multiple units of tanks start to take the field it becomes an army scale game. I don't really know what you're trying to argue at this point honestly
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>>66258308
Yeah, but mountains and rivers and an elk can be beautiful. Beautiful does not mean sexy or attractive. A falcon grav tank is beautiful. I do not want to fuck it.
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>>66257996
cries in AUD
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>>66258325
there's some stuff floating around on the other megas here on the thread, but it's old stuff (and no audio), if you're looking for recent novels, no.
you could try the pdf share thread troves and whatnot if you're looking for something specific
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What's a good, cheap to collect 1500 point Deldar list?
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>>66258325
I imagine there are but people are reluctant to share since they would most likely get nuked as well
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>>66258372

That your definition of "army scale" is flawed. Captains and Company Commanders taking the field is irrelevant to the scale of the actual fight, and we're talking the smallest possible units of tanks (where we're talking units of tanks at all). Even accounting for scale, you'd need to be talking at least an order of magnitude more by way of numbers before you could start talking about it as more than company-level.
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>>66258372
A company commander controls a company, not an army. 3 company commanders control 3 companies which is within a brigade, not an army.

3 battalions of 3 company commanders with a company of tanks on the side might be a Division if you stretch it which is still but a fraction of an army.

A Captain leading 3 intercessors Squads is not an army-level game: It’s just an extremely overqualified Commander leading a very small platoon.
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>>66258410
How cheap are we talking? At retail Deldar are not a cheap army to collect, even with start collecting boxes (Normally a great deal for £$-Points) youre not gonna have a good time.
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>>66258410
1500 points worth of kabalite warriors
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Who has the best start collecting box?
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>>66256247
If it weren’t the fact that I love my admech dudes and already have an army more or less together I would absolutely assemble an army of necrons with cult of the dragon skitarii support. That would be ever so fun.
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>>66255294
Harsh, but admittedly fair.



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