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Previously: >>66231764

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
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>Statistically see what everyone else is putting in their Commander decks.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, bengis on Commander color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

>Official search site. Current for all released sets.
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>GOAT search interface and hi-res cards
http://scryfall.com

>Thread Topic
Who's the biggest retard in your playgroup (or who you've played with in general)? What did they do to deserve that title?
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Biggest retard in my playgroup is the dude who refuses to use mcm and instead orders his shit exclusively from cardkingdom for insane shipping costs because he wants to support his favourite youtubers. Also he can't into interaction and hardly ever packs removal. His decks can't stand up to repeated removal either.
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>>66246017
Biggest retard would be the guy who always shows up high to our games. He has shit memory when he's like that and has to be reminded every time it's his turn and needs to be told how cards work, and how they don't work.
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>>66246017
>Who's the biggest retard in your playgroup (or who you've played with in general)? What did they do to deserve that title?
op

8)
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>>66246017
>Who's the biggest retard in your playgroup (or who you've played with in general)? What did they do to deserve that title?
The "pretending to be retarded" guy. He does stupid things specifically to piss off the "fun police" guy, but the shenanigans he does affects us too and fucks himself up even more. After a very long time of playing against him, I would say he may actually have low attention span. Thank god he didn't have a fucking phone or it would have been worse.
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>Who's the biggest retard in your playgroup (or who you've played with in general)? What did they do to deserve that title?

Fuck its either me or the guy who always says when I cast a manarock "Oh Anon sure loves his mana rocks" and when i asked him why he doesn't use them his response is "because that is what land is for".
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>strip mine a guys homeward path after he steals a bunch of shit with perplexing chimera
>scoops on the spot because he doesnt play against land destruction
Why are people like this?
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>>66246119
>have a guy like that
>heckle him the entire game
>he stops smoking because of my bullying
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>>66246185
Trigger him by mentioning that decimate has been in edh precons so his behaviour is against the spirit of the format.
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Me, by far.
I love this game and have played for years, but fuck me if I can build a deck without net decking first, or intuit interactions between cards without seeing it done first.
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>>66246196
Friend of mine who always got high during our dnd sessions did a similar thing. At some point we started to just not include him in the ongoing events if he wasn't paying attention, and have him autododge in combat if he didn't pay attention and took his turn.

After his 1.5 year old character died because he didnt clue in to the fact that we were retreating and the dm had autododged for him 3 rounds in a row he stopped.
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>>66246017
>tfw don't have a playgroup

T-thanks anon
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>>66246255
Put an ad out in the local paper, nerd.
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>>66246176
Play a green ramp deck and show him ramp is still important even if it's land based.
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Is Hellfire a decent boardwipe in a Selenia deck?
Also is it a good investment?
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>>66246319
No and no. It's a beautiful card with great flavor text though.
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>>66246297
I wouldn't want to play with anybody that reads the paper desu
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>>66246017
Not really any retards in my usual group, just a really good player that jokes around a lot.
He’s got a lot of old cards and plays legacy so he usually gets away with his nonsense.

There’s heaps of retards that frequent my lgs and hop into our games though. Like leaving walkers to ult just to do some clap back damage to someone who pinged them tier players.
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I'm noticing that all the Commanders that I find myself attracted to playing are rightful leaders that got booted out by loudmouth nerds. Perhaps I should build Jarad next.
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>lattice is almost at $70
feels good buying it for $4
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>>66246590
Traded a few of mine away today for things like cavern etc, felt really good.
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>>66246017
Hey I know I'm a little late on the Dinosaur train. Building a Gishath/Dinosaur EDH.
Were there any other Neat, Fun, and or Powerful combos or synergies to could out of dinosaurs? Or did it start and end with ployraptor?
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>>66246466
...that's fair
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>>66246590
Same.
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>>66246590
>lattice is almost at $70
Why the fuck is it that much?
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>>66246704
Turns out New Karn is Good and a colorless wish access with a one way null rod tacked on can win games
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>>66246704
New Karn experimentation. If he doesn't turn out to be good expect it to fall back down. Maybe not all the way, but down.
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Modern.
Now Tron or Lantern can play Karn, wish for Lettuce from your sideboard and then completely lock your opponent out of the game.
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>>66246704
>got a Japanese copy a few months back for like $5-$6 because it was cheaper than English
>now there's only one on TCGplayer and it's more expensive than English
Feels good
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>>66246185
>strip mine a guys homeward path after he steals a bunch of shit with perplexing chimera
Unless he was stealing sorceries and instants both of you are on several layers of retardation
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>>66246729
>10 mana 2 card combo played in modern
what was this about the format being too fast?
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>>66246770
can you not fucking read
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>>66246770
>10 mana is prohibitive
>when Tron exists
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>>66246553
Two Commanders, heavy blinking theme.
But somehow you're saying that what unites is some really shoddy comparison on the lore?
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>>66246717
>>66246726
>>66246729
Huh. Alright then. I guess I'm happy I got one from a pack a while ago then.
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>>66246770
Either you're playing Tron where you can get 10 mana from four lands, or you're playing Lantern, which is a control deck designed to drag things out.
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Why does Modern influence the price of cards to that degree?
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>>66246672
I'm not really into infinite combos.
But Ownard//Victory is basically insta kill with Gishath. You can protect him with not from this world.
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>>66246876
Because Investors and FOMO.
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Does the Anon that built that sweet Vona 4 horsemen deck want to post their list? One of my friends wants to build Vona and I wanted to send him your list but i lost the link.
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Is pic related worth a spot in UB Zombie Tribal or is it too costly?
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>>66246757
He had a sac outlet and it was basically twenty minutes of nothing happening because everyone was just waiting to draw an answer until I got strip mine
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>>66246944
If your group is slow enough you can just drop it down and win but it is pretty cost prohibitive, especially in a deck like UB zombies that spends it's whole turns doing loops or grinding out value.
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>>66246553
Build Obzedat or Xenagod next
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>>66246876
modern and edh are the two formats that drive prices.
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>>66246817
Perhaps the playstyle and the shoddy comparison can both be things I notice.
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>>66246973
Very true, I'll play around with it and just replace it if I can't get it to stay consistent.
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I cast Resurrection on this thread.
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>>66246017
A fat guy that plays like an absolute retard, he dropped a winter orb in turn 3, when everyone had only 3 lands even him and then used a counter spell in a elixir of immortality in turn 5 when he got only 2 untaped lands
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I recently built Niv-Mizzet Reborn and it's been super fun, but I keep on running into issues with not drawing enough lands, since Niv Mizzet just gets non-lands.

Any multicolor cards for ensuring more mana? Already running 10 land cyclers and the borderposts, also Mina and Denn etc for more land drops. Main issue is that the land cyclers are just too slow an inefficient.
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>>66242245
>people at the lgs don't get fucking high and lose track of shit or spill drinks.
>people at the lgs know how the rules work.
>people at the lgs don't get anywhere near as salty.
U fukn wot m80
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>>66242664

Why do ESLs correct people when they don't know what they're talking about?
>>66246157
Epic
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>>66246176
>"because that is what land is for".
Is he greenpilled?
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>>66246196
Nice larp, filename-kun
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>>66246925
I've been playing without the Pallies of late, but sure, I'll post the older version.
Gimme a sec.
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Reminder that Kaalia of the Vast has orgies with dragons, demons and angels.
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How do I make a Voldaren horsecock tribal deck?
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I want to make a budget deck to...
1. Compete in my lgs's budget league
2. have a deck to play with people who don't have the best made decks or have starters
3. Have a loaner for people I don't know or trust

The budget is $50. I already run Queen Marchesa, Mimeoplasm, and Nekusar.
I have a bunch of bant staple because I've made 3 different decks and hated the sommanders but was thinking about Tuvasa Enchantress or Arcades the Strategest but they don't appeal much to me. I've thought about Gishath Dino Tribal or Angry Omnath but would like some recomendations. A more aggro type strategy would be nice but not necessary. The only thing i'm really opposed to is Shu Yun since that's my best bro's fave deck and I don't want to jack that spot light. Any help for recommendations or resources to use would be nice.
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>>66247935
>$50 budget edh
it's called brawl. building a $50 edh deck is like trying to buy a car for $50. you should buy a bike instead.
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>>66247935
Have I told you about our lord and saviour?
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>>66247807
I’m interested in this too
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>>66247972
Not the anon building the deck but...

Well, he's solid, but he would also be around 1/5th to 2/5ths of the budget there.
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>>66247972
Alternatively he can try Endrehk Sahr.

>>66247935
Other recommendations are Locust God/Arjun, Samut, Edric, some Elfball deck (Marwyn, 1st Ezuri)
They're predictable but can definitely be built cheaply and competitively.
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>>66247569
There's an allied colored cycle of Borderposts from Alara Reborn that pretty much acts as a two-colored Rupture Spire. I wouldn't really consider those 'lands', but they do help.
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>>66248026
>>66248027
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mikaeus-extreme-sub-20-budget-edh/
Clearly you're new around here, the $20 name is pretty outdated but the deck is under $50 for sure.
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>>66248053
Lol anon already mentioned them.
I was about to suggest simply running cheap colorless color fixers like Traveler's Amulet but it seems he's adamant with multicolor.
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>>66247935
you could use either a 98 land maelstrom list, and pretend to complain about mana flood until you cast maelstrom, cascade into kiki-jiki + pestermite and laugh at them
or
a mono-black sidisi list using ad nauseam, sickening dreams and that sphere that halves the next damage you take
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>>66248070
Anon who recc'd Sahr here.
Nice assumption I was new and have not heard about sub-20 Mike.
If anything I recommended Endrehk for a somewhat different playstyle from Mike.
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>>66248070
On the side it says that's a $54 dollar deck. What cuts would you make to reduce the cost by $4?
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>>66248110
That's just TCG being dumb.
It counts swamps as $0.12 each, so skip those and it's basically $50.
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>>66246017
>friend always sacs protection and removal for more synergy pieces
and he always gets fucked
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>>66248126
>>66248110
Shred Memory is also $1, cut it and put in something like Barren Moor or Razaketh's Rite, cheap cycling that isn't useless if you actually play it either.
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>>66247972
>>66248070
That is truly amazing. Thank you for the recomendation.

>>66248027
I'll keep those in mind. I'm going to see what others are running in the league.

>>66248100
I feel like maelstrom wanderer would just get me banned for being an ass. But I also Thought about Ashling 99 mountains
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>>66248263
budgetfags are gonna be salty whatever fun stuff you use, so bask in their tears and go hard
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>"Hey anon, stop playing tutors! They're bad for the format!"
>Proceeds to jam Expedition Map, Sylvan Scrying, Crop Rotation, Cultivate and Kodama's Reach in every deck
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>>66248497
>flash this bad boy in response to an evolving wilds
>they had no lands in the top 4
I just cant help myself
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>>66247691
Fuck off furry faggot.
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>>66246672
AEther Flash
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>>66246925
>>66247639
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vona-the-four-horsemen/?cat=custom&sort=cost
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I'm stumped /edhg/. I want to build a new deck, but it's like I'm having deck builder's block. Nothing I can think of is jumping out at me. What do you guys do when you're in a slump like this and can anyone recommend me a fun commander/theme to build around?
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>tell friend about Rhonas fight club
>he builds it before I get a chance to
holy shit I'm mad
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>>66248545
Wrong post >>66247807
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>>66248693
I can’t help people like you. I like certain things so I build the deck. I like dinosaurs. I built a dinosaur deck. I wanted a soldier army deck, so I made a soldier token deck, etc. Just pick the best commander as far as what functions best for what you want to do e.g. making soldier tokens, ipso facto, use Darien or something.

OR you build a deck around a function. Wanna mill? Build a mill deck. Wanna fucking swing with creatures? Fucking do that. Like just do it. Tell me what you wanna do and I’ll tell you which commander you should pick in three seconds.
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>>66248710
Your own fault.
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>>66248751
I've had a couple ideas recently, but they're tribal decks and those normally pan out the same when I build them. I wanted to do a demon tribal deck and maybe a sea monster themed deck. For mechanics I thought about making an infect deck or land destruction because most of my decks aren't that sadistic in nature besides pummeling people with fatties.
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>>66248710
Had practically the same thing happen to me. I was going to build Zada and I was discussing tech with my bud, when he mentions he's got a foil of her at his place and that he'd bring it for me next week.
Next week rolls around and of course he's built his own Zada deck.
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>>66248822
>>66248710
I have a friend with a Yuriko commander deck and he just refuses to add Draco to the deck no matter what.
I'm tempted to make a Yuriko deck focused on literally nothing but revealing Draco off the top over and over just to show him how good it would be.
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Hi frens. I jealous of my friend who has an Omnath and Locust God deck. Every game he has so many fucking options (a lands deck or card draw deck tends to do that) and takes 10 min turns. By the end of the game hes has a 100+ creatures. Any good commanders that do the same?
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>>66248945
I think you'd like Tatyova, she's got a whole lands and card draw thing going on that can lead to some dumb big turns if you can protect her.
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>>66248945
Build an exact copy of his decks right down to the land selection and sleeves.

Either that or one up him and just run lord winmore
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>>66248945
Just play Gitrog.
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This card is such flavorfully honest fun
Nothing like swinging into someone who goes wide and them not being able to do anything about it
or making one of your creatures immune to pyrohemia/pestilence effects and just funneling mana into it to clear the board
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>>66249124
should give it to creatures that can block any amount of creatures, or to a pariah or something
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>>66248801
jodah big spells tribal
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Temur Lands. How do I win without smashing face? That's boring. So far I've come up with producing 10,000 Valakut tokens and playing another mountain.
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>>66249145
Pariah damage is all dealt at once.
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>>66249198
brutal
>>66249195
those landfall enchantments that do stuff, also how do valakut tokens, i have a spare valakut kicking around
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>>66249198
Yeah, better off using Darksteel Plate or Magebane Armor with any Pariah effects.
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>>66249124
Pair it up with Kusari-Gama.
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how do I elfball
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How do I do it anons?
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>>66249513
Only if you can cast all the epic spells at once.
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>>66249505
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>>66249513
copy it, en masse
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>>66249505
Rosheen Meanderer, a fuckload of mana dorks, and spells like Fireball.
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>>66249569
>elfball
>no red
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>>66249505
NuRadha is where it's at for commander elfball.
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>>66246553
Brago got iced by the chadest elf though
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>>66249613
>haha it’s because my board is just like a ball of elves right? XD
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>>66248675
Thanks brother
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>>66246017
>Who's the biggest retard in your playgroup (or who you've played with in general)?
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>>66249669
Absolutely.
If you wanna take a look at my main version and hit it with an upvote, I'd appreciate it :)

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vonagun/?cat=type&sort=
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>>66249195
Ass
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>>66249513
With Hive Mind of course :^)
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>>66249893
With Hivemind out, cast Enduring Ideal. Counter your own Enduring Ideal. Watch as everybody scoops because decks that can win with only their enchantments are really rare.
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>>66249738
Done :)
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How do I do big black in the most exciting way? The key cards I want to play are deathcloud, smokestack, contamination, and hecatomb
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>>66249920
Someone actually tried that once in my playgroup, but I was playing oloro and just grabbed sanguine bond + exquisite blood.

He knew I had the combo, so I don't know why he even did it. Also relevant to TQ I guess.
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>>66250129
That sounds like endrek sahr. Why hecatomb though?
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>>66247569
If you've got the moneys, you can use scroll rack to toss the shittier 2 color spells you hit onto the top of your deck and hopefully draw into lands. The other solution is running multicolor ramp, such as deathsprout, exploding boarders, frenzied tilling, and maybe knight of the reliquary.
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>>66250082
Thanks m11.
I'm pretty much always making tweaks to it.
I wish I knew of a mass haste enabler in that didn't cost 7 mana.
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>>66250141
Hecatomb is cool
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>>66250206
Hope your opponent plays concordant crossroads
>>66250141
Endrek sahr requires a lot of creatures, but I guess that might not be a bad thing. Any anons care to post a list? Or any spicy mono b bread in general
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>>66250238
>Hope your opponent plays concordant crossroads
I've been there before, pretty nice actually. Nobody in my regular group does though.
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rate/hate, post you own, suggest new decks
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>>66246944
It's a bit much, good though. Can your numbers support eldrazi monument? All you really need is a gravecrawler for that anyway.
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>>66247935
>>66247972
Build Mikaeus for budget league.

It's not for vsing precons and timmy decks. It will make them cry. With very few upgrades to that list presented, the deck is actually hilariously good.
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>>66250480
Chainer becoming mimeoplasm, serious downgrade in how interesting it is
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>>66248693
Build something retarded but great like Trostani punisher stax
Or;
The great snake mistake
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>>66248991
>>66248945
Tatyova is underrated and actually pretty hilarious
Mizzex. X spells version + taking turns.dec
Zada. Does what you expect but faster than you think.
Ezuri Elfball.
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>>66246017
biggest retard is probably the guy who got into Magic around Ixalan and refuses to play anything from older sets and almost never orders anything for his decks.
He probably isnt that bad of a player even if his threat assessment is a bit wonky from time to time, it's just that his decks are ridiculously underpowered. He built a Teysa Karlov deck recently and I asked if I could see the deck after we played. He had exactly 3 sac outlets in the deck, none of which were free.
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>>66249633
>>66249505
I'm building this atm but without the elf tribal. GoblinEldraziSaprowlingBall is the real shit
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>>66250480
>no infinites
>no Kess game 4
BASED
>no MLD
Just take the MLDpill or take it again.
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>>66249505
Don't listen to the others anon here's how you do.
Disregard redundancy, control and basic deck building knowledge.

Your aim is to go fast, slap people in the face with your whole deck turn 4 by the lastest.
Marwyn the nurturer.
Fraealise is more stable but fuck that.

You have 3 goals, draw cards, play elves that make mana and give them haste.

If I card does not do any of those three get rid of them.

There's all manner of secret tech but you'll find the brunt of what you wat at EDHREC
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>>66250480
I tend to keep my decks around the focused - optimized range since that's the general powerlevel of my main group

WIP
Slivers- Need sliver queen and sliver hivelord. Also a better land base.

Active but needs work
Grand Arbiter stacks - I rarely play it, but it's the deck I play when I get salty and don't want to think very hard. I did refrain from putting the really gross stacks cards but I'm wondering if I should just do it. Needs a cyclonic rift though.

Tuvasa: A modified precon where I converted it to a voltron deck. Lot's of fun but can get shut down easily if someone panics and boardwipes when I have lethal commander damage. Added hero's intervention to see if it'll help out a little.

Tatyova: a lands matter deck my friends are already afraid of. Just need to buy an Azusa for it and I feel like it's good to go for the level my LGS/group is at.

Original Trostani: Just tokens, more focused on life gain but I'm not sure how to improve it. My group tends to go overboard on board wipes.

Big fun and dumb
Mayel: Basically just for me and my big dudes doing big dude things.

Vorosh: Just making one creature big fun and dumb. Somehow wins games.

Decks on my wish list:
Krenko mob boss because everyone is doing Zada now.
Arcades, because killing people with walls is amusing to me
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>>66246017
Any idea what to do with this piece of shit except hatebears?
Maybe aggro/weenie with Gaddok to protect against some board wipes ?

or should I just rip him appart, use the GW goodstuff for Saffi combo degeneracy and the hatebears for Orzhov tax&stax ?
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>>66250621
Maybe you can unretard him by flaunting all the broken old shit you have?
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>>66250480
>Edgar Markov
Straight forward Vampire beats. Can combo out with the bloods, recently added Aetherflux and Bloas' Citadel.

>Bruse Tarl, Akiri
Boros Voltron. Most of the time kills the table quickly or whiffs, such is Boros. Occasionally I can sneak out a win. Godo / Aurelia + Helm for hard wins.

>Tatyova
Value Eldrazi, lots of cast triggers and free casts.

>Vial Smasher / Thrasios
Big Cost matters. Big, dumb, timmy X spells. Called Vial Smasher's Wild Ride, but Thrasios is the real commander.

>Nekusar
Nekusar doing Nekusar things. Do I need to say more? No, of course not.

>Rakdos, the Showstopper
Group hate and EtB abuse. Probably my most fun deck to pilot, coin flips all over the place.

>Estrid, the Masked
Bant Superfriends with a strong stax package. Annoying to play and to play against. Once per night, max.

>God-Eternal Rhonas
Still being designed, in the final stages. All about overrunning with multiple effects.
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got some random shit for kruphix, though the eldrazi titans are a bit out of my budget right now, what are some other good big eldrazi/colourless shit that doesn't burn a hole in my wallet?
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>>66250621
I have a player that has the opposite problem. He buys expensive cards for his windgrace deck but he doesn't play it very well. I'm pretty sure there's a combo in there somewhere(haven't seen it in a while, dude is on swing shift he can't get off of)

So he has a really good deck, especially for multiplayer but often can't do it justice due to numerous misplays and him keeping really bad hands when he should mulligan.
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>>66251082
It That Betrays
Artisan of Kozilek
All is Dust
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>>66251082
Pathrazer of ulamog, desolation twin, conduit of ruin, soul of new phyrexia, Bane of Bala Ged, Endbringer, Ulamog's Crusher, Colossus of Akros, Endless one and breaker of armies
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>>66251087
>>66251082
Don't forget pathrazer, that annihilator 3 is pretty good. Also consider eldrazi conscription, turns any creature into a scary eldrazi. Void winnower is fun as well.
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>>66251082
https://edhrec.com/top/colorless#creatures
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>>66250897
if you're serious about the Sliver Queen, get her now
price is only going to go up
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Anyone tried running jhoira's familiar in a kozilek list? I run foundry inspector as well, but the 1 extra mana might be a bit annoying.

It would affect kozilek as well though, while foundry inspector doesnt.
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>>66251012
well, he's never won a single game and is usually the first to go out
I understand he doesnt want to invest 500+ bucks into his decks but he doesnt even go for cheap stuff that would at least make his decks work as intended. Another player is often trying to give him advice but he never seems to listen to it.

>>66251086
how long has he been playing? that seems like something he should be able to fix by just playing more
I was worried this friend who stopped playing around Kamigawa but got back into EDH would be the same but after a few games he stopped making mistakes left and right and can now be really hard to beat
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>>66251137
>how long has he been playing?
He's been playing for a while. Maybe because it's a simpler game but he's really good at Pokemon and wins tournaments at the LGS we frequent. Part of it is his dyslexia and he tends to jump the gun while knowing he has dyslexia. He has managed to pull games out of his ass(well when we leave him alone). It does help that it is the only deck he plays though.
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>>66250897
eh, take it from me with the Doran deck, turning creatures sideways stops being fun after about 10 games.
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>>66251053
> annoying to play
why build it then ??

interesting lineup otherwise, got a list for that vial smasher ?
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>>66251207
I wanted a Superfriends and Stax deck, two archetypes I hate. So I built both at the same time. It is annoying, partly, because people don't like playing against it. It might turn into my woodshed deck.

It's only annoying because of all the Planeswalkers I need to keep track of, since it is new I make big mistakes. Recently, I didn't ult Venser, Sojourner before I cast anything.

List for Vial Smasher / Thrasio
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vial-smashers-wild-ride-1/
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Anyone try LabJace yet? Is he worth putting in or should I just stick with the OG Labman?
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>>66251366
He’s fine, having redundancy on combos is always good.
I have a preference on labman, but Jace is sticky in different ways to various kinds of removal
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>>66251429
I'm more wary of him because of the triple U and being harder to tutor since he's not a creature. I on't think him being harder to remove is really an issue when he won't be around for longer than him being plussed once. I do like that he wins on his own instead of passing or needing another card to draw in order to win.
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>>66251366
I like him a lot more than labman. Harder to remove when going for the win- been using him as a main wincon in nu-kefnet.
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>>66246553
I had a jarad deck a while back. Worked off big things to drain people and had a land sub theme. Kokusho pairs pretty well with him hehe
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>>66250480
No taste. Just terrible, particularly the note. Why not build one good deck first? Also you better be running inkmoth nexus in Noyan or you deserve to lose all your cardboard in the rain.
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>>66251544
>tfw fucked up my foil Jitte because I never used sleeves and my deckbox was a sweatband and it turned out my coat wasn't waterproof at all one rainy night
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>>66251544
>Tryhard detected.

If we wanted to tryhard we would be playing modern
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>>66251571
Fuck man that breaks my heart. I bet it was OG kawigama too. Don't worry I have a buddy who had a Chains and his cat spilled a drink when he was changing sleeves. I saw the pulpy blistered aftermath, it was terrible.

>>66251575
>we
Who's we? I think you mean you.

You can build terrible decks in powerful ways and they'll still be terrible, but playing a cherry picked feel-good meta is really only fun while you're learning the basics. Limiting yourself arbitrarily for made up social reasons really limits your fun and development as a magic player. I will never understand people with 5+ garbage decks, it'd be like buying a bunch of beater cars when you can afford something good. Sure, having a couple extra for strangers is normal, but dedicating yourself to a weird shrine of cardboard moral faggotry is just bad taste.
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>>66251648
>Limiting yourself arbitrarily for made up social reasons really limits your fun and development as a magic player.

EDH isn't for good magic players. I play it to relax, not tryhard. That's for real formats like modern.
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>>66251648
It was, it was one of the few foil rares I had. it doesn't look all that bad from the front, but the back has some big white parts on it.
I had a Candelabra that got fucked up more though.
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>>66251661
>Modern is for good players/a real format
>He's never experienced high quality edh over beers and bantz
That's a lot of wrong for one post.
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>tfw there are currently 88 creatures with monk as creaturetype in edh.
>63 of them are in shu yun color pair

Should I make a monk tribal and go all kung fu zen shit on people?
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>>66251699
I have. Its obvious you haven't though
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>>66251688
>Candelabra
Jesus Christ. I think there should be a shrine dedicated to long lost cardboard.

>>66251705
It's obvious I haven't what? Gotta use more words if you want your early morning shitpost to be effective.
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>>66251736
It's obvious you don't have friends buddy. It's alright that this thread and some randoms on cockatrice are the only people you interact with.
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>>66251648
Anon, the rules you build decks for are whatever your friends are willing to play with. To further your car analogy it doesn't matter if you have a really nice drag race car if it isn't street legal and you have no track nearby. If your friends don't like to play against turn 2 combos and would prefer to play some battlecruiser shit with beer and pretzels. It's not about growing as a player, I have been playing for over 20 years and have done everything. It's more about knowing what you like.
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>>66246017
>TQ
its either me since everyone always makes fun of me, though sure i can be clumsy or forget, but i dont see any other reasons to make fun of me.
Or its the guy who constantly goes on about how holding grudges can ruin the game and we should just 'reset' our emotions every game, even though hes the only one who ever mentions he attacked a certain player because something happened a previous game
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>>66251703
EVERYBODY WAS KUNG FU FIGHTING

But seriously if you don't bring a boom box and play the song on loop every time you play the deck you're failing humanity.
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>>66251736
>Jesus Christ. I think there should be a shrine dedicated to long lost cardboard.
Not everyone comes back alive.
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What are some UB clone and steal Tribal staples? I don't want to build a deck, I just want to play YOURS.
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>>66247604
Why do low IQ people try to act smart when they have no idea what they're talking about?
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FREE GRISELBRAND
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>>66251822
Clever impersonator
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>>66248991
Dude Tatty Yova is based as fuck. One of my more competitive decks for sure.
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>>66251849
Educate me, oh Spaniard
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>>66251775
This is why you have a variety of decks at different power levels like a normal person. I play in two different metas, a very high power group with judges/my legacy bros and a 50% precon style meta filled with whatever jank I want at the lgs. The two groups aren't mutually exclusive, and shoehorning yourself into a category isn't my jam. Growing as a player is understanding that all magic playstyles are fine, and the quality of your deck depends more on playtesting and powerful enablers than it does on the types of strats that are palatable in your meta.
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nath-elf-of-discard/?cb=1558006269

Can someone give me some tips? I also need to make a few cuts. I'm trying to make it discard centric, with some elf lords for when it goes wide.
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>>66251857
OR, anon is just having fun and doesn't want to be a professional mtg player and instead of shitting on his decks with no way to improve them you could actually offer real advice on how to improve them instead of "lol make them better"
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>>66247569
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/niv-mizzet-reborn-draw-go-goodstuff/?cat=custom&sort=cost
Here's my deck
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>>66251879
Are you new here or something? I'm pretty sure I told him to run inkmoth in Noyan for that juicy synergy.
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>>66251822
So clones are fun and all, but I really get a lot of work out of copy artifact/enchantment/Estrids invocation (after copying another enchantment) etc
You can even go full minds dilation and hive mind to get the full U fuckery running if you want to piss everyone off.
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>TQ

Me. I'm the newest player by far, so basically every game results in me making some hilarious misplay.
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>>66247569
Just slip Food Chain in there.
Not even saying to go full cEDH, just use it for the sheer value.
Then use Scapeshift to hit Maze's End and get that FLAVOR win.

I actually might do this now...
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>>66246017
>>Thread Topic
There's a bunch of people; basically anyone who doesn't really play other formats makes me suffer with how poorly they play.
This week alone I've seen people tap mana wrong lots of times and maybe 1/4 of the time they die because of it.
Also people not being able to spot lethal when they have 30+ cards in hand and two billion mana.
One guy drew 7 with Rishkars with Abundance, and he needed a land to cast his win. He said he'd draw all non-lands and then wondered why he didn't draw a land.
>>66251936
Food Chain only gives one colour at a time. Also without tutors it just gets sent to the bottom of the deck almost every game.
If you add tutors for Squee/Food Chain you don't have a reason not to always tutor your best line of play every game.
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>>66251936
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/niv-mizzet-gates/
i was just doing a rough draft of that, but no food chain
dark depths/thespian stage/mirage mirror is fun enough tho
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>>66251950
>One guy drew 7 with Rishkars with Abundance
Please tell me this isn't real.
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>>66251950
I'll one up you, when a guy was told to discard he chose to keep a land over a beast within. Needless to say, that was a game I won with divine visitation.
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>>66251967
It happened.
Also the guy didn't cast another win he drew off of the Abundance/Rishkar's with the second part of Rishkar's
>>66251976
Even better, another guy who's 22 and has 2 kids and is going nowhere fast in response to kicked Rite of Replication on a Blood Artist cast Beast Within on a different player's Sol Ring. Didn't kill the Artist, didn't even kill that guy's Sol Ring. Just a 3d player's Sol Ring. This guy is known for ruining people's games by kingmaking. We have a saying "to do a _guys name_" which means to Armageddon and then scoop or something similar.
EDH is wearing me out because so many players are garbage. There's maybe one or two people, other than the based cEDH players, at my lgs who can build a competent deck with plays turns 1-3 with decent engines to power jank like Vaevictis the Dire goblins or Marchesa Modular artifacts.
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>>66252012
>We have a saying "to do a _guys name_" which means to Armageddon and then scoop or something similar.
We have a rule in casual games where if someone does something like that, we ignore it and keep playing as if they didn't. Trying to spite the table is just a dick move, and if you're gonna do it, we're not gonna acknowledge you, and you'll probably end up sitting out at least the next game as no one wants to deal with childish shit.
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>>66252012
My playgroup has some trouble with the concept of just letting people have shit so you can further your own agenda when doing politics. None of us are playing cedh so it just turns into a contest of who has the most resilient deck to board wipes.
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>>66252058
My playgroup just goes crazy with the politics at times, completely ignoring threats and making alliances to ally with each other until everyone else is dead.
It got to the point where I refused to continue playing after two guys with the best start made an alliance to "kill the people behind" three games in a row, so they could turn the game into a 1v1. Like
"Oh we both had Sol Ring openers, lets just aim our removal at those players lands so they can't catch up, and once they lose we start playing against each other" stuff.
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>>66252058

Build a group hug deck.
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>>66252182
These people are why I never make deals with anyone
If they want to collaborate on removal to stop a win condition I’m all ears, but our tag team ends when the win condition is removed and we are opponents again
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>>66252182
>>66252058
What you do when this shit happens is just play grouphug. Play kami of the crescent moon, or another commander that makes everyone draw cards, people won't attack you because you're helping them out. And then you fucking slam down a stasis and the table looks at you with horrified faces as you reveal that you were playing stax all along. Have everyone draw 7+ cards a turn that they can't do anything with when you claws of gix your stasis before your turn and slam down arcane laboratory and forbid, as they realize that your true plan all along was to deck them out with nothing but card draw.
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>>66246944
If you're not playing in a speedy playgroup then sure.
Just be aware it gives your zombies protection from black so they can't target each other.
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>>66252261
The problem is they'll just use removal on it.
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>>66250480
Vanilla as it gets.
B O R I N G
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>>66252274
You're playing 30 counterspells. Also removal means nothing with arcane lab and forbid.
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>>66252289
They can just play two removal spells on one turn, you can only counter one. If you're drawing their entire deck, it's inevitable and bound to happen, then the next player to untap just wins with all the cards he's drawn.
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>>66251855
The nation is the people. The country is the political entity.
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>>66252301
And then you still have 20 other counterspells in hand, multiple of which you can cast for free. Besides that you should have other lock pieces on the field as well, it's not an issue.
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>>66252354
"b: a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government
>Canada is a nation with a written constitution"

Yikes, btfo completely and utterly.
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>>66246757
You do realize that on the stack everything is a spell right? If you steal a creature on the stack it will enter the battlefield on your side? Do you not read rulings on these niche cards?
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>>66252362
You still won't have the mana or cards to shut down three other players. It can work of course, but my playgroup isn't stupid enough to let their guard down against even a group hug deck.
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>>66252384
He's talking in relation to my group, who panic boardwipe at every opportunity.
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>>66251871
Please help guys ;_;
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>>66252427
I wish I could, but I don't play these kinds of decks so I'm very underqualified.
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>>66249513
>>66249578
With Uyo, Silent Prophet as your commander.
Blue actually has a decent number of creatures with good activated abilities so get a few of those like Ertai out first to help protect yourself.
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>>66252384
You will absolutely have the cards though, mana is also not that hard in monoblue. We're talking drawing 5+ cards a turn with no max hand size.
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>>66252427
Run mindslicer and ways to get it back, lifeline + a sac outlet will make you public enemy #1
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>>66252427
Larceny!
Flip Lili is ok in these decks.
Grab Necropotence instead of Harmonize.

Beastmaster ascension isn't needed.
Coat of Arms NEVER works the way you want.

Run Urborg if you're rocking the Tainted Land, otherwise get the Pain Land.
>>66252530
This 100%
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>>66252427
>>66251871
Sure, no problem. First step, cut everything that requires connecting in combat damage in order to be effective, stuff that's very conditional for it to function, or stuff that has very limited long term utility (you want recurring effects).

Weakest cards I could find are:
Dreamstealer
Hypnotic Specter
Golgari Charm
Cunning Lethemancer
Unnerve
Several of the elves are a bit meh.

Some cards to consider:
Nezumi Bone-Reader (Add ASAP), almost as good as Hypnotist
Liliana's Caress
Lys Alana Huntmaster
Beast Whisperer
Mindslicer
Plaguecrafter
Phyrexian Plaguelord (good board control with your tokens)
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>>66248710
List?
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>>66249613
Selvala mono-Green Hurricane Elfball Go!.
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>>66252574
>>66252427
More cards to consider cutting:
Coat of Arms
Beastmaster Acension
Anvil of Bogardan
Lifecrafter's Bestiary
Deathreap Ritual
Mind Twist (Not good without fast mana, only targets one person)
Vicious Rumors (too limited)
Rhys the Exiled
Poison-Tip Archer

More cards to consider adding, one of the biggest weaknesses in your list is that you don't utilize your tokens adequately, so taking advantage of those is an avenue for a lot of improvement:
Phyrexian Altar
Ashnod's Atlar
Gravepact
Contamination
Smokestack
Delirium Skeins
Decree of Pain
Necrogen Mists
Larcency
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>>66252046
>childish shit
Hello pot
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>>66252686
Behold, a troll. As easy to bait out as a vegan.
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>>66252046
Nice bait
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>>66252724
>troll
Is it because I called you out? You aren't really proving me wrong either, Anon.
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>>66252538
>>66252530
>>66252574
>>66252661
That's guys, great help
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>>66252661
>Decree of Pain
t. shitposter
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>>66250480
Reminds me, I need to get my friend to finish that app he was working on to make these images look nicer.
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>TQ
I play sometimes with a guy who can't pay attention to the game outside of what he is doing on his turn. He looks at snapchat on other people's turns, he gets distracted and has to be physically nudged to know to start his turn, he has to remember which cards he has in hand at the start of each turn instead of planning his next turn in advance, he just says "okay" when we play other cards and then doesn't know what they do later. He can't do threat assessment, he bases his targeting on whoever effected him most recently and if there's no obvious target, he passes turn without doing anything. He can't build decks, nearly every deck he builds is a pile with little-to-no interaction, engines, or win conditions outside of obvious braindead shit like Ezuri. He doesn't seem to make decisions based on a desire to win. I know he's not legitimately retarded because we're military and our job is one that requires people to be pretty sharp overall, but holy fuck the man is like an enigma to me and I need to stop playing in pods with him.
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>>66250480
>Gishath
Topdeck matters Dino combos. Scroll rack, AEther Flash. Typically kill at least one person with commander damage
>Ur-Dragon
MLD/stax
>Inalla
Recycle wipes and extra turn cards with ETB wizards
>Sidar/Tymna
Use them as an engine to draw out tutors for wincons, make unblockable 1/1s and kill with Triumph of the Hoardes
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>>66246319
As long as you've got a good chunk of life to spare and more money than sense, go for it!
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>>66253679
Why would you want this instead of Damnation? Unless you WANT to reduce your own life and swap totals or something, but I feel like there’s easier more accurate ways to do that.
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>>66247458
I didn't realize /edhg/ was a creature.
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>>66253722
Can someone help me out with a good Recursion engine for Naya?
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>>66247569
Deathsprout
Exploding Borders
Frenzied Tilling
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>>66248710
Build a better version of the deck and stomp his ass with it.
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>>66253740
Green has a ton of return any card from the yard to hand effects, my monoG sacrifice deck is almost entirely composed of those and cantrips to keep getting value until I hit my win conditions
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>>66251703
Yes, 100%.
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>moved city year and a half ago away from home city for work
>away from large play group of close mates I love but there are two close stores
>while not everyone, most of the players down here are insufferable
>with a few key characracters who make it unbearable
>contract is comeing to a close but picked something up in home city, I get to go home!
>few weeks get to lgs a bit late and insteed of playing in the large side room I wander out and see if anyone plays in the store propper
>their are and their personallities are just far more friendly then anyone else I had met
>had way more fun and they ask if im returning and that they always play there
A far better play group had been there the whole time in the cosy side of the store.
Wish i had spotted them sooner, no doubt I would of made a few closer friends here for the time.
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>>66253791
Yeah they’re mostly sorceries. I could just throw a few in like Resurrection and Regrowth or whatever but I thought techier stuff like Sun Titan and E-Witness would be better, which I already have, but I was just seeing if there’s any other good synergistic recursion that’s not just play card+get card back. Sun Titan E-Witness for example is a great combo, but I’m short on other pieces without access to black.
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Been away for a while and just realized I missed out on a Seb kickstarter and really kicking myself.
Just saw Terese had a kickstarter out but I got a major case of Vorthos and if the tokens don't match up with the general feel of the cards I'm playing it gets my [panties in a bunch also the fucking zombie token is clearly a skeleton I mean the art is nice but it triggers me to hell and back
I figured I'd get a playmat because the skeleton/raven on is really fucking nice and would go well with black/white decks but since I'm already pledging I might as well get some tokens.
This shit is probably going to become more valuable over time, right? Which tokens would be in the highest demand?
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Oathbreaker
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someone have a list of Ilhargh ETB creatures?
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Fuck it. I don’t care if everyone is doing it, I am gonna build God Eternal Oketra. I’ll make mine fun. I got ideas and I’ve been wanting an excuse to run the new Tithe variations they keep printing. Plus, I got an extra Thawing Glaciers. The only expensive cards I have think of for it right now is Land Tax and Scroll Rack. Everything else is cheap as shit.
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>>66253996
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>>66254012
That's a good Signature Spell!
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Oathbreaker is shit.
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>LGS oks walker commanders save karn and JTMS
>really like new lili
>go to check prices for a flashy nap art one
>pic related

Fuck me man why do people have to do this
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>>66254018
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>>66254039
*jap
God I hate phoneposting
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>>66254039
I think it's a combination of WotC hasn't actually started printing the Jap boxes to demand like they said they will and distributors that got them are being really fucking greedy and either not selling them or selling them for $200-$300/box to LGS's
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>>66253705
Lets see... why would I want to keep my creatures around and destroy all/most my opponents creatures? Jeez... that is a good question.
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>>66254028
Is it shit because no one is playing, or is no one playing it because it's shit.
Most importantly, does it even matter. I think it's best discussed in another damn thread.

More relevant to the thread: Green has a shitton of dope creature tutors, do you ever have a problem packing enough threats and find yourself with a lot of tutors instead?
And before antitutor fags show up, stuff like chord of calling and finale of Devastation just do way cooler things than casting the creature conventionally.
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>>66253381
Man, being in an "intelligent" miliary role doesn't mean shit. My buddy that plays braindead Rhys can't figure out his own deck, and he's an Air Force hydraulics mechanic wrapping up his Mech E degree. Guy didn't even figure out he could masturbate till 19. The tism that may aid in work sure as hell doesn't always transfer to cards
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>>66254002
>monored commander
Unless you have tons of money for all the ancient land/artifact cards that could make a deck like that work I wouldn't recommend it.
You'll have a handful of "fun" games before you quickly realize your deck runs out of steam really fucking fast.
Boar god is much better in the 99 of a gruul list because green is where impactful ETB triggers are at.
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The cards have finally arrived for Tibor and Lumia :3c
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>>66254118
>Guy didn't even figure out he could masturbate till 19
And he openly shares this fact with everyone he knows?
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>>66254133
Ooh, definitely gotta post a list.
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>>66254010
Do it

Do it and include jank

>>66253927
Oh snap I love her work, holy shit if shes made a faere token imma bust a nut
>serch her work and get this
Fuck now i dont know if i should
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>>66254137
Don't have his list, but it's the usual token doubler elfball stuff
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>>66254137
I ain't doing a list, but some spicy tech consists of:

>Flame Jab/Oona's Grace
On-demand repeatable blue or red spells in the yard.

>Dizzy Spell/Muddle the Mixture/Merchant Scroll
These are my favourite blue cards in EDH. They find each other then find the card you need in your deck. Demonic Tutor is too easy.

>Trinket Mage
Why isn't this THE blue staple?

>Basilisk Collar/Gorgon's Head
Turns T&L into a board wipe. Can both be found off either Trinket Mage or Dizzy Spell.

>Charisma/Drift of Phantasms
Sometimes you wanna be that guy.

>Dismiss Into Dream
Fuckin' hilarious with that blue trigger.

I'm only making it to be a cheap way to play EDH at my local LGS store. I've had a fully powered $1600 Nin deck before. It stops being fun pretty quickly.
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>>66254143
I got you covered. Energy subtheme Boyos.
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>>66254122
i'm just a kitchen table player. Which land/artifacts would be nice in this deck? just to know
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>>66254213
:^)
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>>66254284
Damn nice.
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>tfw put in over $700 in my stupid deck only to play Commander once a week for 3 hours
>have to spend hundreds more if I want a different deck that's decent

why did I even get into this dumb hobby in the first place
starting to really regret this shit, hope I can eventually sell off my collection for $500 at least
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>>66254284
well i think this is too much for and EDH game
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>>66254342
Yeah I’m about to start playing YGO again and netdeck a good build for like $120
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>>66250977
Saffi likes a Gaddock in the deck.
Saffi hatebears with combo wincon v good.

What did Mungo bring you?
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>>66254342
>have a $1400 deck
>commander card pool may worth another $1k or more
>haven't played in over 7 months
>haven't played consistently since 2017
>still coming to /edhg/ and read stuff te learn new shit and eventually buy cards I won't play
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Just saw the prof's video.
Any tips for Oathbreaker?
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>>66255189
Don't.
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>>66255204
Don't do what?
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>>66250977
He's a mid range beat down deck with hate cards to cripple strats out side of hit face with big boi.
I see a lot of people go all out on the stax theme but they ultimatly dont do any thing.
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>>66255189
Be wary of anyone with the Elderspell in as their Signature.
Aggro works, but always kill the person who'll have the most boardwipes.
Lifegain is pretty substantial, and Extort and similar effects get pretty silly.
The best spells to have in the Zone are draw spells, combo pieces or board wipes.
Hit other people's planeswalkers as fast as you can.
Weird format, I made a flip Garruck deck with Victimise as my Signature Spell out of binder stuff, and I enjoyed it so I'm looking at building something properly to have around. I've got a Doubling Season and a Samut so I'll likely do Samut combo.
I've seen Tibalt do really well in a Madness Aggro deck.

I can see it being solved fairly quickly honestly, but it's fun, like Tiny Leaders was fun.
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>>66255325
It's a format that looks fun as an idea and is shit in practice.
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>>66255325
Don't play oatherbreaker.
It has the same problem with brawl in that the casual players who play multiplayer games dont want to buy into a different format so it just wont have the numbers to support it.
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>>66255325
Don't play Oathbreaker.
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>>66255362
How is it shit in practice?
It's far more consistent with 60 cards than 100.
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>>66255391
>>66255388
>>66255362
>>66255353

It's not like you can build a deck basically for free if you have a decent collection. I mean even if it doesn't stick what's the damage in trying?
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>>66255423
Time is not a renewable resource.
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>>66255469
So you can't jam a game or two with your buddies just to see how it plays out?
I think you people are just being antagonistic for no reason, I can see being against Brawl, because of rotation and limited cardpool, but this it's just silly
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>>66255513
Show me your amazing Oathbreaker list then. Convince me the format isn't dead on arrival.
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>>66255552
I don't play it, I don't give a shit honestly if it's good or not. We're actually thinking of giving it a go in our playgroup. The point is exactly that I don't have to convince you of anything. You can try it yourself since it's basically free. I got a mizzix deck I dismantled so I'm probably gonna build storm. Or mono blue artifact with Tezzzeret Artifice Master
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>>66255611
I think most fa/tg/uys here are so redpilled they see anything new as an attack from the evil SJWs.
Fuck you, paranoid whities.

t. southamerican nigger whale.
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>>66255552
You realize this is the same attitude that people had about Commander back when the format got popular, right?
Don't be a stick in the mud.
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>>66255698
No, Commander didn't have any mainstream push to get people to play it, it gradually grew in popularity over several years.
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>>66255698
Anon is just too bitter he cannot play his Iwin underscosted mana rocks.
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>>66255720
And?
Do you hate Oathbreaker beacuase is not a "muh supah sekret big boy club" format and is pushed by a SJW douche? Oh no you might play against a nonwhite!

Fucking pathetic.
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>>66255720
Then clearly you don't remember. When the format was first being played, it was done at side events at GP's. Sheldon talks about this in one of his blog pieces.
Yes, it gradually grew with popularity but many dismissed it as something that would die quickly.

We live in a time where this kind of thing doesn't need to mull for years and catch on by word of ear or the vague forum post. The traffic on social media cranks this to a 1000.
Stop being dismissive of new things on the principle of them being new.
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>>66253705
>Unless you WANT to reduce your own life and swap totals or something
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/selenia-lich-1/
That's usually the goal with Selenia decks, but Hellfire is pretty risky because it's harder to control exactly how much life you're losing. But I was mostly asking because it's reserved list and I can get a decent deal on one and it incidentally might work in one of my decks.
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>>66255694
Honestly, I'm just tired of the DOA formats lile Brawl and TL, which were heavily pushed. I also don't like the potential that Oathbreaker would discourage people play EDH, since I play mostly at LGS, and everyone seems to want to play it, because it's the hot and hip new thing.
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>>66255855
So you are just jealous.
Still very pathetic, anon. Aren't you an adult?
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>>66255154
>have a $1400 deck
why, how, what could possibly justify spending so much on a deck for a casual multiplayer format? Like it's one thing spending a little extra maybe buying some foil full art lands and getting foils of cards you have in your deck.

inb4 playing cedh unironically
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>>66255780
What the fuck are you projecting here? Who is even pushing this format?
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>>66255855
TL was an easily solved format because it limited the card pool too much.
Brawl was pushed by Wizards as a rotating casual format.
These two formats have one thing in common: They limit the card pool too much. Something that people like about Commander, and probably the most enticing thing is that it's a casual format that allows you to use ANY card you have (save for the ones on the banlist) and allows for creativity that you normally wouldn't see in other formats.
Not only is Oathbreaker not controlled by JOTC, it's card pool is massive (albeit the # of planeswalkers limited, however with War coming out - that # increased drastically), the banlist is in it's infant stages and can be altered, it bans fast mana rocks like Ring/Vault/Crypt, and allows for a variety of creativity mixing planeswalkers with certain spells.
Formats not free of criticism tho. Life Total should be 30, not 20 and the banlist needs to be improved upon and I think some PW's need to be banned, along with some spells.

I sound like a shill but I'm genuinely interested and my LGS is gonna be doing an event this Commander night for Oathbreaker. No prizes for winning, but the owner is a huge Vorthos . He said whoever comes up with the most unique deck, planeswalker, and signature spell will get a pack of War of the Spark for free. Just a one time thing to try. The judging is up to him and the two people he has employed those days.
If it dies, it dies. I'm just not gonna be a stick in the mud about it and actually try it before passing judgment.
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>>66255915
Sometimes it naturally happens when you sit on valuable cards for years but don't really play any other format. I doubt anyone really goes out and buys $500 worth of lands and staples for this on purpose unless they play cedh unironically.
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>>66255189
Wait a few months to see if it dies out like brawl, tiny leaders, frontier and all of these other smaller formats that just never took off. If it gets popular sure, go ahead and play it. but don't go buying a deck for a format that might fizzle out in a year. Commander has firmly cemented itself as the go to casual multiplayer format and it'll take a lot to change that. Pretty much anywhere people are playing competitive magic, before events start people play commander, people who dropped play commander waiting for the event to end, people play commander after pre releases just because it's a great way to relax after any more serious magic event. Or just to kill lots of time before a serious event.
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>>66255938
The Professor from Tolarian Comunity College.
His channel is really good. Check it out.
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>>66248693
I find random cards with interesting effects and try to build around them. Once I have a decent selection of cards that support the interesting effects, I then find which colors I can live without and find a fitting general. Once that's done, build the deck and see where it goes.
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>>66255513
Other anon, I am not playing it because of anything like "SJW", but because I absolutly hate planeswalkers and still think they are a mistake, even more so in the command zone. Only thing I like about it is the 20 life to enable aggro, and the idea of the signature spell sounds interesting but broken.

Maybe I am still salty from yesterday. I was playing with two young guys who were new to commander/magic at my LGS, and I played veeeery lowpowered decks so they have a easy start into commander. Before our second game some guy who definitly saw how shitty our decks were asked if he could join, and starts to fucking obliterate us with a foiled out Atraxa superfriends deck. Not even killing us, just holding us hostage while he masturbates for 20mins when its his turns. Normally would have scooped, but didnt want to look salty, and didnt want to teach the two nes guys to instantly scoop if you dont like how the game is going. But fuck players who abuse low powerlevels and new players, and fuck planeswalkers. Sorry for the blogpost.
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>>66255391
>used to be such a trash card people would hand them off
>had like a dozen and got rid of them when I was moving
>years later it's a $20+ card
>easily $35 at one time
I look at mtg cards and only see missed opportunity
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>>66255915
I mean, one of my decks has a judge promo Gaea's Cradle so that automatically makes the deck worth $1200.
Most of my other decks are $400-500.
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>>66255360
>I can see it being solved fairly quickly honestly
This right here is what made me hesitant of the format to begin with. It's only a matter of time before it devolves to cEDH levels of streamlined choices. I like the concept of it, but from what I've seen of its gameplay: I'm not impressed.
Also: No Naya PW no play. WotC is a bunch of cowards.
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>>66256019
>Pulls out a foiled out Atraxa deck

Honestly dude you should've told the guy to fuck off if he was going to play that. Or the more polite way "Hey, these guys are pretty new, do you mind playing a powered down deck?" If he pushes the issue, have him borrow a low powered deck if he doesn't have one.

Fuck people like that though.
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So you boys ready to convince your friends oathbreaker is a busted format and make sure they never dabble in it again?
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>>66256019
You see, these are the kinds of people I'd just refuse to play with.
The planeswalkers weren't the problem. The problem was that the guy was a massive cunt. Superfriends is a deck archtype you should only do if everyone is doing 75% or higher.
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>>66256098
>busted format
[citation needed]
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>>66256019
I'm scared that kind of thing is going to happen to me, I'm going to FNM tomorrow to play commander for the second time, the first time I played I lost turn 5 to an infinite combo, so I hope I don't turn up tomorrow then get destroyed without even getting a chance to really play. Else I'm probably gonna have to put cards in my deck like smokestack just to stand a chance. Which in a casual format I really don't like the idea of doing. Let's hope my weeks of deckbuilding and looking into commander pay off.
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>>66256053
>t's only a matter of time before it devolves to cEDH levels of streamlined choices.

Why do you fags hate cMTG so much?
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>>66255915
>Flipping out about $1400 decks
>When some people here have $1400 cards
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>>66256098
Not with a shitty planeswalker, you aren't. 6cmc with no protection is bad.
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>>66256154
edh was designed to be a casual format, as in, something you play just to have fun before and after competitive events, the moment you start dumping hundreds and hundreds into a commander deck and bring it to the table so you can win turn 2, you've missed the point of commander.
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>>66256076
>>66256104
I only saw that he was playing Atraxa, and one of the new guys was also playing Atraxa Shitty +1/+1 counter theme with some infect, and because the guy watched our previous match I thought he would play something on our powerlevel, so I wasnt thinking anything bad when he also pulled out Atraxa.

>>66256127
Just find a nice group and ask what powerlevel they are playing, most commander players are nice and will play decks on your powerlevel if you just ask them.
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>>66256180
>muh spirit of the format.
Fuck off, people will always want to improve on their decks to win faster and more often.
I guess you have more onions than blood running in your veins.
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>>66256208
Onions
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>>66256208
Yes, spirit of the format is a legitimate argument.
Go play Vintage if you want singleton fun.
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>>66256127
> I'm going to FNM tomorrow to play commander for the second time

Is that the main event at your lgs or a casual side event? That may be apart of the problem you're facing. Even though it's meant to be a casual tournament some people still view it as a win or lose thing and go all out for FNMs.

You're much better off scoping casual games to see which group you'd rather play with instead of playing in a tournament.

>>66256193
Rookie mistake mate. You have to ask beforehand what powerlevel they're running before you let people sit down and play. That way you come out better if they're trying to play some stupid shit like that against new players.

>New player spending 40 bucks on the commander itself
Holy shit, I hope he didn't and just had the precon lying around for years or something.
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>>66256237
>autorrecting s - o - y to onions.
I admit I haven't been wasting my time here lately, but who approved of this?
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>>66256118
>time twister as Narset's signature spell
Nuthin personal kid
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>>66256161
I'm curious if anyone here with $1,000+ cards actually paid $1,000+ for them and how many, like myself, have just had them for years.
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>>66256276
I've had a Library of Alexandria for a while now, bought it for 300e
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>>66256251
It's a side event before the main event, I intend to just turn up to FNM, play commander before FNM starts then leave once it does because I can't afford modern or standard.
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>>66256251
He was just proxying Atraxa, thank god.
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>>66251661
Nice bait.
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>>66256346
>seething cedhfag

Why play a competitive format with zero money in it?
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What did postbastard bring you today? Pic related, extort tribal.
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>>66256276
My dad gave me his NM judge promo Cradle when he had a death scare a few years ago. I would've inherited it anyway, but he knew I loved MTG and wanted to keep my spirits up if he did pass.
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>>66256396
Wholesome
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>>66256357
>Buzzwords
discarded.
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>>66256381
Nothing and I'm sad about it because I ordered cards a few days ago.
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>>66256418
Someone just had a mental breakdown about playing a format with no money in the prize pool.
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>>66255407
Yes, that is part of the problem. Part of the appeal of a singleton format is that it has a higher degree of variation. More consistency is antithetical to that.
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>>66246017
>"I swear anon if you do X i'll scoop
>someone does X
>scoops
Its that guy, and the Crown of the Tard has passed to many at the LGS-Playgroup in general. I can see using this as a one-of bait to get someone to do something you want if you're a good actor, but i've only ever seen it in cases of stupid stuff like stifling an evolving wilds trigger
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>>66256396
Sell it and invest in arboreal grazers
buy a few thousand of them
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>>66252354
You're right. A nation is an ethnic group. For example palestine is a nation, and not a country. These people missed out on history lmao
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>>66252376
America is retarded and changed the definition to fit their stupid meme. Happened with the word state, country, and define our politics with left/right when in reality it's all right.very annoying to discuss anything remotely political because of it
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>>66256253
Hiroshimoot. Onions spam is a fucking stupid meme anyway.
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What's with all the stupid posts/bait today? Are we being raided?
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>>66256787
Pretty much.
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>>66256396
>dad used to own a comic/card store from 89-2002
>boxes and boxes of sealed magic ranging from arabian nights to odyssey
>when he closed he just sold them in bulk and gave what was left to my crackhead brother
>never saw a single card
lol
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>>66256396
that's sweet anon

>>66256890
>>66256890
>>66256890
>>66256890
new thread
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>>66256787
standard babs from arena are getting into commander now
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>>66256208
See >>66256240
Spikes go and stay gone. Nobody likes you. You don't even like each other. Why do you even play competetively? There's no real money in it, so the only thing you're winning is an autistic circlejerk of the same boring combos, and the same guys who think they're hot shit for pulling stunts like this >>66256019. Spirit of the format is extremely important for the sheer reason that most people don't enjoy that kind of environment, and the ones who do are all raging douche dispensers.
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>>66256240
>Yes, spirit of the format is a legitimate argument.
This is, by far, the sadest and gayest thing I have read today.
I bet you are now going to tell me all of your decks have a deep meaning or lore. Fuck off.
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>>66256924
>Spirit of the format is extremely important for the sheer reason that most people don't enjoy that kind of environment
Stay at your mom's kitchen table if cannot handle the heat at your LGS.
Do not forget your sippy cup, you big baby.
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>>66256970
Ah yes, top tier maturity right here. You sure showed me!
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>>66255353
>I see a lot of people go all out on the stax theme but they ultimatly dont do any thing
That's exactly the problem with the deck as it currently is. The mid range beatdown thing would probably work better. Pretty sure it would become borring to pilot after a few games though
>>66254813
>Saffi hatebears with combo wincon
I'm probably gonna try this that ass alone is more then enough reson to give it a try
also wtf is a Mungo ?
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>>66254002
>>66254122
agreed, just run it in xenachad
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Having a lot of fun brewing a GRW Riot/counters deck, since I randomly have a Doubling Season.
I fucking love Riot.
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>>66246590
Bought one a month ago for $30, still feels good, any reason why it’s gone up so much?
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>>66258462
Nevermind didnt read the rest of the thread, also glad I picked up the new Karn recently too
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>>66256098
>>66256118
Is there any given reason why your 'commander' must be a PW instead of having the option for it to be a Legendary?
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>>66254122
>Unless you have tons of money for all the ancient land/artifact cards that could make a deck like that work I wouldn't recommend it.
As a monored only player this is 100% accurate



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