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Who would win

3 STR 18 DEX

Or

18 STR 3 DEX
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need to establish some parameters
depending on the scenario either side wins
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>>66241859
How does that work?
A guy that can barely lift a pencil but with incredible motor control skills, vs a guy that trips over himself all the time but can lift a horse over his head?
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>>66241859
They're both paraplegics, just different kinds. The winner will be determined by nature of the competition in question.
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18 ST would win

Can carry their equipment (More AC, bigger weapons), likely playing a class that adds more benefits to their chance to hit (Fighter/Paladin/Barbarian) alongside their ST bonuses, has a higher damage rate
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>>66241918
OP here

Assume that both fighters are wearing nothing and are only using their fists. They both have 10 for all their other stats.
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>>66241981
Do you mean 18/10 STR/DEX? Or are we still at 18/3 STR/DEX but with 10 INT/WIS/CHA? Because when your STR/DEX is low enough you're as good as a parapalegic, since you either can only barely move at all (low STR) or can barely even recognize the movement of your own body parts (low DEX).
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>>66241981
Does the dex dude have weapon finesse?

Without weapon finesse str dude would win.
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>>66241981
STR guy, because even though the DEX guy can dodge more he literally is unable to deal damage because his unarmed strikes deal 0 damage. The STR guy has no AC, but it doesn't matter because the DEX guy can't hurt him.
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>>66242238
Aren't there rules about minimum damage? I'm pretty sure you can always do at least 1 damage, which means DEX wins, since he can dodge all the attacks and can chip away at the other guy's health
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>>66242480
If we're talking about 5e, no. It's been confirmed that you can in fact do 0 damage.
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>>66241859
The mage
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>>66242495
doesn't Dex guy get by throwing pebbles because that improvised ranged and keys off DEX modifiers?
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>>66241859
Always strength. DEX is a cope for armlets.
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>>66242831
The OP stated that it was fists only, and if we're just going fisticuffs then the STR guy wins.
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>>66242949
Not if he cant land enough good hits in time.
They both have 10 CON so its a case of how good a fighter the DEX guy is, if they can keep their distance they can win through attrition.
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>>66243174
Doesn't the STR guy still get a +4 to hit, and the DEX guy only get a +4 to AC. I think STR has this one.
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>>66242831
I thought thrown weapons used dex to hit but Str for damage
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>>66243282
STR guy has -4 AC and DEX should have weapon finesse. That means DEX has a 95% hit rate while STR has a 50% rate.
All things equal, with fists, DEX statistically averages out to 0.95 damage per round and STR should be doing 3 per round. Unless STR is also skipping every other round, DEX is fucked.
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>>66241981
Just statted the characters out on a character creator app for 5e.

STR guy has 13 AC and +6 to hit with an Unarmed Strike which will deal a flat 5 damage. DEX guy has 21 AC and -2 to hit with an Unarmed Strike which will deal a flat -3 damage.

STR guy easily wins.
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>>66241859
The crowd, as usual in a cripple fight.
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>>66242908
Never skip leg day.
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>>66241981
>both are using a Str weapon
HMMM OH GEE I WONDER WHO WOULD WIN IN THIS TOTALLY NOT MANIPULATED SCENARIO
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>>66244687
your program has an error. str guy should have an ac of 6
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>>66241859
>>66241981
well, as long as it isn't a fair fight, why did you even ask the question?
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>>66241859
>>66241981
Ok let's do the two best unarmed users brawler fighter vs monk. In this scenario the stats are about balanced out because even though the monk has better ac the fighter has far greater to hit. I would say the monk wins out as his plethora of powerful movement powers give him proper ability to stay out of the fighter's grasp while striking away with flurry of blows. While fighter does have powerful striker abilities they are lackluster without weaponry, and the monk can fairly easily escape the brawler's single target lockdown grapples. It's close though.
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>>66244687
>doing negative damage
Minimum damage is 1.
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18 dex has +4 to hit with finesse and +4 AC
18 str has -4 to AC.

I hate that I know this. I hate 5th edition.
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>>66246414
Not in 5e
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>>66245996
Yeah the AC looked really wonky to me, I'm not sure where it's coming up with its numbers unless 5e just has a higher base AC than other editions/games.

>>66246414
I've seen it said you can actually hit zero damage, which makes sense. At least more sense than someone getting slapped to death with 3 STR.
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>>66246467
18 str has+4 to hit without finesse and -4 to AC.

if you go by 5e, finesse weapons use dex as the damage stat also.
>>66246394
brawler fighter/barb +6 to hit, +4 to damage, -4 to ac
monk +6 to hit, +4 to damage, +4 to ac, martial arts grants unarmed attacks superior damage and finesse.

any fight that allows the dex build to use his dex sets him to win, any fight that restricts his dex favors the str build.
using fighter only unarmed str wins, using daggers dex wins, using short swords dex wins, using long swords str wins, etc.
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>>66245927
I mean, change it to daggers. Pretty sure strength guy still carves a very poorly crafted fuckhole into the other guy.
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I like SPECIAL
There are 7 people, they all have 10 in one attribute and 4 in the others. So for example guy 1 had 10 Str and 4 of the rest, guy 2 has 10 Per and 4 of the rest.

They are let lose in New Vegas. They can start anywhere. They can level. You aren't limited to ingame mechanics so you're allowed to hire hitmen or use poison gas.
The goal is to kill each other, last one standing wins.

Pick one of these people. What would you do to win?
All skills are those of New Vegas, you cannot pick Tag skills or traits.
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>>66249323
>You aren't limited to ingame mechanics so you're allowed to hire hitmen or use poison gas.
I'm going to say Luck wins though a hilarious comedy of errors
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What system and edition?
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>>66249344
Was thinking that aswell but there is probably a limit to your luck.
The real reason luck wins is because he can start in a casino and just win his way to richness, than he hires a ton of hitmen to kill the others.
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>>66241859
>DEX weapons exist
>DEX affects AC
>DEX affects initiative
>DEX affects ranged weapons
>DEX penalties fuck up STR dude's AC
DEX clearly. Purely by game mechanices alone, DEX is stupidly stacked.
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>>66249367
doesn't matter.
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killed by a mage
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>>66249586
>5e players
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>>66248752
If you give dex guy finesse then suddenly they have the same damage at hit modifier but dex has significantly more AC unless STR also gets armour.
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>>66244667
How does the dex guy deal damage?
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>>66249586
If they're allowed gear they would have armor too.
Studded leather + dex is 16 AC.
Splint or plate is better than that. Chainmail is as good.

If they start far enough away that dex gets to shoot the str guy enough, then dex wins.
In a melee fight, str wins.
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>>66250136
I mean, it kind of does. Not every edition treats attributes as equally important, and considering different systems makes that double.
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>>66244687
>-3 damage

STR guy lets the DEX guy hit him for a while to refresh himself.
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>>66241859
Mechanically one can't kill the other using your fist fight rule. You fail there is nothing to debate here.
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Dex/finesse is totally gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that) while strength is the real chad choice.
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>>66251704
A real chad doesn’t need to choose because he has 18 in all stats and can switch between every style with ease.
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>>66241859
DEX guy can snipe the STR guy from the distance with the bow. Also, his AC would be immensely higher, with the STR guy getting AC penalties.
That's in theory. In practice it's a stupid fight, because they are both cripples.
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>>66249323
can't answer for NV, but in ye olde Fallouts the guy with 10 Endurance go this, mostly because he can cram most drugs before overdosing and compensate for each and every stat (not to mention double down on Psycho makes him pretty much invincible)
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>>66241859
>nothing about CON
If equal then 18 DEX. Can't do much damage to something you can't hit but it can hit you.
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>>66253237
I just went with NV because I assume most people are familliar with it.
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>>66241859
They both lose by virtue of being a character with 3 in a stat. Even with an 18, you might as well walk directly into the dungeon and keep going down until the sweet embrace of death gives you the chance at playing a new character.
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>>66249323
10 luck wins because both MUH COMEDY OF ERRORS and MUH SSS/EX Luck stat how ebin right R63 arthur pendragon???
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>>66253501
Calm down there buddy.
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>>66241859

Considering Dx is 20pts/level and St is 10pts/level, the Dx character has a significant advantage, because it effects his combat skills and basic speed. With only 3 strength he can't even use guns, and does 1d-9 damage, or none. With a very light pistol he could attempt to shoot, but the weapon would require two hands and become unready after firing.

Still, if the strength character manages to land a hit, he'll win. Of course, with 3 dex, chances of that happening are effectively nil.
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>>66241859
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBIyOYbzvxs
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>>66249323
10 int starts inside Caesars bunkers and awakens the securetron army by hacking the machine.
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>>66251880
>having an 18 in dex

That’s what we call a prancing lala homo man.
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>>66247317
Brawler fighter gets a tier scaling enhancement bonus to unarmed attacks. Barbarian gets no such thing and is not a factor.
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>>66241859
A piss drunk boxer vs a deadly accurate ninja that tickles people with feathers.
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>>66241859
if we do both lvl 1, 5e, unarmored, allowed a dagger, assuming obvious classes

Strength guy:

HP: 10 (6 if just commoner)

-4 Initiative

6 AC; +5 to attack. 1d4+4 damage; avg 6


Dex Guy:

HP: 8 (6 if just commoner)

+4 initiative

14 AC; +5 attack. 1d4+4 damage; avg 6.
Dex guy wins more on average as it comes down to who goes first. If he's doesn't get a dex weapon or isn't a monk he's fucked.
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>>66245858
Leg strength is still STR too, DEX boi.
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>>66257765
Never skip leg day.
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>>66257479
you forgot monk gets an extra attack on each turn that deals 1d4+4 damage
>>66256245
not in d&d, od&d, Ad&d, 2e, 4e, or 5e
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>>66249323
Charisma Guy.
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>>66249586
Can the dex guy even do damage -4 to damage?
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>>66241859
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>Rip tree from ground and smash
the only way this could possibly go
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>>66249323
100 charisma literally talks no jutso the game's boss so why not ?
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>>66242131
>>66244667
>>66246467
>>66247317
>>66251066
Giving the dex guy a finesse weapon is an assumption on your part, so I'll assume the Str guy has a huge two-hander and has armor the dexfag couldn't even move in, so Strength wins.
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>>66241859
>1d3+4 (fist)
>AC 6
>+4 to hit
vs
>1d3-4 (fists)
>AC 14
>-4 to hit

This isn't even a contest
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>>66257479
>allowed a weapon that favors the Dex user
How about no weapon? so fists
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>>66259366
I'm literally talking about 4e specifically you retard.
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>>66241859
Each could get lucky and actually hit. One actually does damage if they hit.

18 STR 3 DEX wins.
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>>66249323
>St, En
These are the losers right of the bat. Each favors a build that needs another, strength needs endurance to melee tank, and endurance can't deal damage better than it takes it.
>Pr, Ag
The best combat characters out of the lot, although they'll both be confined to pistol builds with a St of 4. I think Ag gets the advantage here from stealth, as a glass cannon like Pr would be vulnerable to it
>Int
The hardest one here to predict, they can't spec into any combat focused stuff right of the bat, but they grow faster than anyone else. So if they last till the late game they might be strong enough to take on.
>Ch, Lu
The best starts in the death match. Ch gets talk no jitsu to start and can quickly snowball with followers right out the gate. Lu can walk out with 30,000+ caps from the casino's just from black jack, while getting a sweet pad in New Vegas the most well defended city in the wasteland. He has a massive advantage in gear and hired help from it, but the advantage dwindles with time.
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>>66260861
If first strength guy wins cause dex can't deal damage, we have been over this.
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>>66241859
gurps
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>>66260806
wow, you should read the thread. OP set the rules in a later post, and it was a decided fight that proved the question moot. my post list several assumptions, that always favor one or the other but mandate an equal setup.
too bad you can't read.
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>>66260313
If your speed is high enough you can just slam your fist into some chump at mach 2
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>>66262237
Yeah I saw the fists only thing, and if people posting later don't care, neither do I. Strength wins.
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>>66262899
then you are ignorant of the point of asking the question in the first place. if you set the stage such that only one choice could be valid, then the question is moot. if you set the stage so that it is unequal, then again the question is moot. hence in equal setups, it depends on the setup. the point of the exercise is to look at the setups themselves. you should care, otherwise your just another asshole on the internet.
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>>66262983
If you feel that strongly about it why haven't you called out anyone else who said the dexfag gets a finesse weapon? Why reply to me, who pointed out that if the dexfag gets gear that favors him, then so does the other guy? Makes me think you don't like how one-sided this actually is, so you single out the poster who said the dexfag has no chance at all. No, it's not a matter of who goes first, dex loses, plain and simple.
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>>66261269
Honestly? This is a way more interesting premise than what OP gave us, especially since it isn't an immediate fight and there are a lot of outside factors which could slide the favor in any character's way.
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>>66263093
>If you feel that strongly about it why haven't you called out anyone else who said the dexfag gets a finesse weapon?
He literally did, you mongoloid.
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>>66263270
Sorry, no. None of the finesse weapon posts got a reply saying OP said it was fists only. He literally did not.
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>>66241859
18 Str, 18 Dex. Point buy is for accountants.
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>>66263270
>>66263453
no i didn't, and the reason is simple.
the point of the exercise is to compare the dex/str dichotomy.
under the OP assumption of fists only, there is no comparison. under the finesse option for the dex guy (which would be a fundamental consideration) in attempting to make a comparison to a str build.
>>66247317
is my first post, and lays out the fundamental failure of the comparison to begin with. it will always favor one or the other based on the setup. therefore the comparison is actually the setup, not the dex vs str.
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>>66261269
Really solid analysis. Pretty much agree with this one 100%.
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>>66262562
This isn't a fucking anime. Your hand is gonna shatter if it hits something at that speed. You might hurt your opponent but now you're -1 hand and even more crippled than you were before.
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>>66241859
In GURPS, the one with 3 DX would be wheelchair bound as a result of uncontrollable muscular spasms or some other medical affliction. :)
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>>66249323
10 END allows me to get all implants at Vegas clinic.
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>>66256262
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Rolled 5, 1 = 6 (2d6)

>>66241859
if doubles Chad wins
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>>66268163
With what money honey? You have to survive till then.
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>DEX retreats up a staircase
>STR dies after falling down the stairs several times



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