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Haha House Steiner!
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>>66237242
Do you think she makes her own clothes?
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>beat an enemy heavy lance into retreat, knocking one of them out of his legged Centurion
>own forces with relatively little damage
>they make it to their escape table edge and fire a last "fuck you" salvo
>they explode your Warhammer and Archer before buggering off to parts unknown
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>>66237507
I know how you feel anon.
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>>66237507
BATTLETECH! Moments...
>Getting my first Banshee-S
>killin' dudes, killin' dudes everywhere
>rack up lots of experience and destruction
>freshly repaired, go against a pair of Commandos by myself
>One of the little twerps comes behind, gets a critical without destroying the armor and up goes the ammunition bin for the AC.10
>pilot ejects
>captured
FFS...
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>>66237469
I wanted her to have a cooling suit like this one.
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>>66238153
Ah, I see now. Anyhow I was just teasing. I like your contributions which end up on the booru.
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>>66237280
Steiner! Steiner! STEINER!
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Has any anon actually tried to convert their DnD character into ATOW using the conversion rules in Nebula Cal? How did turn out
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>>66238177
>I like your contributions which end up on the booru.
Thank you. She was originally going to have much different hair, but all the other elements are there.
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>>66238153
That outfit is incredibly sexist and demeaning to women. We don't need that sort of art in a giant robots game. There's no reason why any woman in the game should be showing any more skin than this.
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>>66239677
Boobs scary.
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>>66239677
Or this.
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>>66239677
Is that a F-5? CUTE!
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>>66239709
looks like a gripen
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>>66239709
It's a Swedish Air Force JAS39 Gripen.

>>66239704
As always, the DCMS delivers.
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>>66239742
>>66239704
There's no reason for these to be skintight outfits. They're just fetish fuel.

If women must be allowed to be Mechwarriors, they should be dressed in enough layers that you can't tell they're women at all.
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>>66239814
>If women must be allowed to be Mechwarriors, they should be dressed in enough layers
On the contrary, they ought to wear tight uniforms even out of cockpit.
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>>66240023
Sexist. Women aren't there to be your eye candy.
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>>66240050
True. The men in skimpy mechwarrior kit are.

>>66240023
Check out that guy's legs. He knows how to use them.
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>>66240050
Sexist, women can choose to dress themselves anyway they want!

FREE THE BOOBS!
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>>66240050
Check out the male Mechwarrior's Draconis Red speedo he wears under that cooling vest.
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>>66240050
Women should be covered from head to toe, including their eyes, inshallah.
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>>66240127
Dat Speedo indeed
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>>66239704
Her still-suit is fitted "desert fashion".
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>>66240023
>men don't wear pants and have a crotch window
logically speaking, the women shouldn't wear shirts and should have a boob window in their cooling suits
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>>66240023
I actually used this guy's kit as the model for Lana's cooling vest.

Something something "danger zone".
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>>66240023
Is that Chris Moeller's work? I can't read the signature.
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>>66240949
It sure is.
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>>66241011
righteous. thx!
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>>66241045
I'll be darned. Now that you mention it, the art style does look familiar. I've brought up his work on /btg/ before, but for an entirely different reason.
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>>66241643
>Ron Jeremy
How many other names in this are pron people?
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>>66241708
Peter North is a name I recognise.
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>>66241708
Like >>66241728 says, Peter North is the other. The names in the middle column are mostly fellow comic book and artist guys like Geoff Darrow and Dave Dorman.
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>>66241728
>>66241761
I might be wrong, but this is an old memory from like a decade ago, but there used to be a part of the wikipedia article for BT saying that various references in the various solar systems had anime backgrounds. I think some chick from Here is Greenwood was one.
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>>66241836
>various references in the various solar systems had anime backgrounds
You mean like the "Top Gun" map points on the police map in Bubblegum Crisis 3: Blow Up? I wouldn't be surprised. There are some Wolf's Dragoons ladz in Zeta Battalion named after characters in Mobile Suit Gundam.
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Daily reminder that practically everything written after 3040 is a dumpster fire of authorial fiat and should be disregarded.
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>>66241896
Is Val Kilmer land filled with greasy fast food restaurants?
Does Kelly McGillis area look like old roadkill?
I need to know these things.
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>>66242149
Even the FCCW? Is there a way to fix it?
Freaking Katherine...
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>>66242287
>Is Val Kilmer land filled with greasy fast food restaurants?
He was funny in Real Genius
Top Secret was funny too
But he sucked as Batman
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>>66242344
Oh I think Val is cool, he just became morbidly obese. Ask /tv/.
I remember some anime called Vifam I watched a number of years ago. They literally had the end of Return of the Jedi in it as a cameo. And I think Macross has an old grid Star Trek game in one screen.
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>>66242344
Is that fucking Ninja III: The Domination I see on that pyramid?
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I finally managed to get into a game. Limits are 55 tons and 4 mil Cbills. Era is 3025. I'm pretty new to battletech so I'd like you guys opinion on the Centurion 9 -AL, which is the mech i am considering.
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>>66242561

You're at least using the 4 million as collateral for a predatory loan, right?
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Anyone got Shimmy's patreon exclusive sketches laying about?
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>>66242561
The Centurion is a solid 3025 'Mech, but is there a reason why you want the LL version over the standard AC10 one?
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>>66242561
Grab a Fire Vulcan.
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>>66242645
Less explodey, less ammo cost.
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>>66242661
It also has thicker armor
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>>66242675
Tha would fall under less explodey
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>>66242714
I guess, but 'less explodey' seems more like 'it has less ammo that can explode'
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>>66242758
It can be both
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>>66242385
>And I think Macross has an old grid Star Trek game in one screen.
One of the background characters is playing a Lupin III game (like "Cliff Hanger" - see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAR-V_nv1E) in the arcade in the episode where Max and Milia face off and fall in love.

>>66242425
>Is that fucking Ninja III: The Domination I see on that pyramid?
Could be. Looks like Ninja II (1983) to me, but Ninja III came out in 1984 and Aliens in 1986, so it could be either.
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>>66242656
I would rather have the diet grasshopper desu
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>>66242149

I mean, the Clan Invasion and Jihad had promise, but neither knew how to end properly.
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>>66237565
Serves you right, shouldn't have been 3/5 when you could have been 4/6.
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>>66243329
rrrrrr
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>>66242149

Nah, the whole setting needs a major retcon, both from a history and tech perspective
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>>66242149
TRO 3039 is the patrician TRO
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I can't even tell who is baiting who anymore.
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>>66243448
Looking at how other universe did that, I will say no, thank you.
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>>66243705

Battletech is already rife with Retcons anyways, might as well make them bigger and better, instead of annoying and improbable.
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>>66243705
>>66243782
Are we going to end up in a situation like Star Trek where you have AUs, AUs everywhere? I'd like a solidified continuity. The idea of more bitching like, "My AU is better than your retcon which is better than the original!" would make me take up collecting anime figurines.
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>>66243818
Anon, you should have known this entire conversation was a troll since the very first shitpost was talking about 3040 when 3039 is the most retconned and mangled timeframe in the entire Battletech Universe.

The answer is if you pull a Star Trek or a Star Wars, you'll straight up kill the franchise. It's too small to survive a decimation like that. Hell, those juggernaut franchises are barely surviving it.
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>>66243904
Ah shoot. I guess I'm too literal and serious right now. I'm watching Goblins Slayer and have had a bad day.
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>>66243904
>juggernaut franchises
Star Wars qualifies as a juggernaut but Trek reaaaaaally isn't. Before STD, the last show was like a decade ago and Trek was basically on life support with the occasional movie. I love Star Trek more than most but its heyday is long gone, my friend, and shit the likes of STD is not going to bring those days back.
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>>66243967
I'll trade you my day. I have 16 dollars to my name and am still seriously considering quitting my job.
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>>66244021
Sorry to hear that. Wanna unburden?
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>>66244021
Christ, man, what the hell happened?

Also, if you have the power and are stateside, consider taking up some work with the food delivery services (Doordash, Uber Eats, Postmates, Grubhub). I make decent money hourly with Doordash and could probably make a real living if I did it more. Just a thought for you man.
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>>66244021
I don't know where you live, but we have food pantries where I do (US) for the people suffering financially. They actually give out decent stuff, and in some cases like a week's worth of food in one shot.
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>>66244020
DISCO is pure kino though
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>>66244159
Anon, give it up. You're not funny.
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>>66244159
Star Trek Discovery? Everywhere I have been people say it's trash on toast. What... son?
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>>66244159
I think you mean Orville
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>>66244159
>>66244198
>>66244202
I don't know who is trolling who in this thread.
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>>66244040
>>66244086
>>66244121
Expanded job duties at same pay while slashing hours. Almost quit outright when they told me but sort of kept my head. I give myself another two weeks tops before I walk or get fired. I'm already doing outrageously lazy stuff I wouldn't have when I started. I should've quit the moment training ended but was in a bad mental place and was dealing with some chronic pain by leveling my brain with alcohol. Dug my own hole really but at the time I was just trying not to go insane. I'll get it sorted though. It's taught me how to live on essentially nothing at least.
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>>66244251
Do you mind me asking what general type of work you do?
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>>66244159
Kino? No. Hilarious? Yes. Worthy of its abbreviation of STD? 100%. Shame too, I know that the chick who plays Burnham can do better, but the writing room is strangling the show with their retarded bullshit.

>>66244251
Damn man, that's rough. I do recommend the delivery services I mentioned above, they're a good way to pick up some extra dosh or to bridge a gap if you need to. Easy work, moderately fun, people are happy to see you, it's not a bad gig.
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>>66244288
Tech support. You know it's bad when you hate your company more than the worst customers.

>>66244307
I'll look into it. Anything to get me out of here.
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>>66244319
Ah hell, I kinda know how you feel. Retardation from below you can understand, but when you have retardation from above madness and loss of morale is soon to follow.
Got any leads on new work?
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>>66244319
>Tech support
Christ, that's soul killing right there.

>I'll look into it
If you can get it, do Grubhub. Getting hours is a little tough but you can make like $12-15 on a delivery if you can get hours. I do Doordash (couldn't get Grubhub consistently in my area) and make about $15/hr average. You can only really run during the main eating hours (breakfast, lunch, dinner, midnight snack) so you're not doing a full 8 hour day really but you can do alright. I've met a few guys who do like $800-900 a week doing this full time with multiple services.
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>>66244343
Not yet. Probably go the temp agency route and just have them drop me wherever they think is a good fit that isn't a callcenter.
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>>66244377
Well I'm rootin' for ya. I think we've all been there from time to time.
I would suggest something you've probably already have done. Ease off the bottle for a little bit to keep your wits about you.
Why can't we put 'Battletech player' on resumes and have it mean something? I mean the accounting, the accounting....
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>>66244423
>spoiler
Not enough people know about the game and what it entails. However, I will say that as D&D becomes more popularized and what it takes to GM becomes more of a known (or known enough) thing adding that you're a GM to your resume might be a decent addition, especially if you're applying to a workplace with mostly younger people working there who have a higher chance of knowing what you're on about.
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>>66244423
>the accounting, the accounting....

In a way, I did; 99% of my proficiency in MS Excel came from managing the campaign and designing Mechs with spreadsheets, and it was one of the skills I put on my resume
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Page 9 is too low.
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>>66242149
I like FCCW under the pretext that it never ended.
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I like Hunchies.
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>>66247180
Funny, I feel the same about the Clan Invasion.

UwU
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>>66247302
Is it perpetual pre or post Tukayyid
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Is there a BT equivalent for this moment?

I'm guessing mostly Word of Blake-related.
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>>66247417
>I'm guessing mostly Word of Blake-related.

Fuck no. It's clanners all the way down. Nicky K and the Wolverine annihilation are pretty darn close.
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>>66247417
The Dracs running amok on Kentares.
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>>66247442
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
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>>66247417
Women panting heavily with a thousand yard state? I'll take "every major engagement involving WMDs" for C2000 Conrad.
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>>66247442
That was way too low effort. Go Warrior Trilogy and Mad Max and Madame Liao at the wedding. Not as many fatalities, but way more lunacy.
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[roll]5d5[/roll]
Spoiler test
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>>66247642
Rolls are done in the email field, bro.
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Rolled 3, 4 = 7 (2d6)

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>>66247708
Now you got it!
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>>66247652
Danke schoen.
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>>66242302
Honestly? That's one of the more justifiable bits. Assume that Katherine was replaced as part of operation doppelganger and a mentally unhinged/malevolent agent was inserted in her stead.
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>>66247733
We can't really assume that with her obsessive DA behavior and Alaric Wolf, though. Prince Vic dicked every princess but the one who was willing to burn down the whole Inner Sphere for him.
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>>66247733
>a mentally unhinged/malevolent agent was inserted in her stead.

All you had to say was "another woman".
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Any anon got a pdf of MechDragon? Supposed to be Mechwarrior/Battle tech rpg ported into Pendragon.
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>>66248227
You asked before. The answer then was no, it probably hasn't changed, and you were recommended to talk to the guy you saw playing it on YouTube (where you said you saw it). Did you ask them yet, they have a far higher chance to have this than we do.
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>>66248227

*Nobody* does, except for Cam Banks and his immediate playing group. MechDragon is his homebrew system, and he hasn't released it to the public, except some of his design notes to his Patreon subscribers. Go on Twitter or RPG.net and talk to him there, or go sign up for his Patreon and pay money.

Feel free to bring it back here if you get it. As a Pendragon GM, I'd certainly like to see what he's got.
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>>66247719
Donkey Smell.
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>should we scout ahead with the mechs?
>fug no send the scout/MASH helo ahead
Playing double blind is suffering sometimes.
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How is the game?
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>>66249538
The lore is mostly retarded beyond a certain point, the crunchy side of things in Battletech is done well generally, never done the Mechwarrior RPG but it sounds convoluted. Game is good all things considered.
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>>66249538
do you wanna play big stomp robots with autistic levels of damage tracking heat tracking component tracking money tracking and a million mechs and vehicles spread out through 6 eras with about a dozen different rule books and a hundred more supplements
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Are dual cockpits a thing for aerospace fighters and conventional fighters? I wanted to know if a gunner position could increase accuracy.
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>>66249933
If not that should be a thing.
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Got kicked out of my group for suggesting we move beyond the Succession Wars. I heard there was a way to play against other people online with a fan made application, is this true? If so, what's the name of the program and does anyone know of any ongoing online campaigns that might have openings?
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>>66249781
Sounds like Armored Core but more autism, I'm in
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>>66250108
Megamek
Its free, you can download it off sarna
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>>66250108
Sounds like a cool group lol
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>>66250397
Well, they were. Been playing with them since 2014. They got me into Battletech. I had play the video games (My favorites are MechCommander 2 and MechWarrior 4), but never the tabletop. Since the video games I enjoyed were from the Civil War era, I made a suggestion of doing a Civil War campaign back in 2016. They refused cause they wanted to do another Succession Wars campaign. I made the suggestion again today and they began to tear me down, telling me I don't understand what true Battletech was. I asked why they didn't want to move beyond the Succession Wars and they said because the Clans ruined everything. I asked what was wrong with the Clans and their response was to kick me from the group for being a Clan lover. I didn't even want to play any Clan stuff, I wanted to follow Archon Katrina Steiner. I even told them this and they still kicked me from the group. It's like....why would I switch alliance from House Steiner just because the timeline moved forward? The entire situation is frustrating.
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>>66247770
>All you had to say was "another woman".

Well there was another woman involved, Omi Kurita and Katherine hated her guts, so much that she had her killed.
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>>66250959
>bigger chance to grab a death trap Shad than a regular one
Ayyyyy.
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>>66250959
Is there one of those for the Lyrans?
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>>66251152
Yes.
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>>66251167
Weird that there's no Wolfhound, wasn't it first produced in 3028?
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>>66251206
Xotl probably considered the Wolfhound hadn't had time to propagate to the end users in the year it was built, since the WLF does appear (in three versions!) in the 3039 table.
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>>66251461
Ah, that makes sense.

On another note, is the new Griffin sculpt from the recent beginner box any good?
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>>66251206
Fuck
>the 3039 table
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>>66250438
Is this a troll? Those guys sound like the beyond crazy over-the-top autism that one would only see in tg memes

Or maybe I just haven't been around tgers much
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>>66247477
I don't see any stairs
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>>66251530
I'm not trying to troll, don't gain anything from it. The people I use to play with just really hated the Clans.
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>>66251655
Isn't the stairs that little slit in the middle of the sword design? Maybe they walk down those and then exit left and right into that boring empty space?
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>>66247442
Kentares Massacre is in a funny way really sad
>be Coordinator
>get shot not because you are Coordinator, but because you get mistaken for a regular Mechwarrior
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>>66251655
Of course not, all those standing rectangles are actually just dominoes. It's a very subdued memorial.
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>>66251470
It's a good model, probably my favourite of the new plastic mediums.
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>>66250959
Wow, these are Nice. How are these generated?
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>>66250959
What do the ** next to mech's name mean?
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>>66250438
Well, you could have chosen an actually good era. The Fedcom Civil War is worse than any other era except Early Dark Age. While something like the Jihad is basically the 5th Succession War and probably could have been sold to them if you leveraged it right.
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>>66251941
Xolt, a guy who does some work for Catalyst in writing erratas and some sections in the rules, painstakingly went through pretty much all canon mentions of mechs used by specific faction and made tables out of them. The more often a mech got mentioned, the more likely is it to be rolled up.
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>>66251941
Percentages from fan-made RATs
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>>66252088
They sound like level 1 only turbofaggots anyway

Probably consider the AC5 the "one and only true" AC

>>66251941
Xotl made some d1000 tables, PDF attached; these are the percentage translations which anon has been diligently posting

Naturally not all of us agree with them but they come close enough to make most people generally happy, in any case they're better than the official RATs
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>>66252495
They are pretty good outside of a few cases of really rare non-faction produced mechs popping up as more common than mechs a faction actually produces (and has done so for centuries).
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>>66252083
They denote 'Mechs the faction considers shitmechs or otherwise second-line.
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>C3I goes extinct eventually
>L-K missiles as well
Why? I could see L-K being useful in the periphery.
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>>66237242
>http://pastebin.com/uFwvhVhE
OP:
Who is the POC for the troves listed? I have some old 'zines and such that are not in the troves I just need to know where to upload.

Also, on that subject: I am looking for a lot of the old, hard to find 'zines for BT. In particular (this round as I am pretty sure they are not in the troves... but I could be wrong.):
Th3 M3ch F@ct0ry: one through three
Th3 T3ch F@ct0ry: six through thirteen
M3kT3k: Looking for one through three
M3ch: Looking for all except thirteen
M3chF0rc3: Any and all
M3chF0rc3 Qu@rt3rly: Any and all
L1f3 Supp0rt: Any and all
H3Avy B@#l3: Any and all
ComN3t: Any and all

I have cover art for some/most of these if you need ideas of what they look like.
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>>66253539
If you make links I will add them to the pastebin next time I have opportunity.
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>>66253042
Wow really? Why is the Scorpion and Gladiator marked as **, they're nowhere near the worst medium mechs in that list.
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>>66253720
Gladiators were practically extinct in 3028 and Scorpions are more Drac and FWL than FS. Few units, spare parts and such can be a problem, not to mention the stuff about people considering the Scorpion obsolete (the OG TRO3025 mentions that the LC has a programme to recycle the usable stuff from their Scorpions and the entire 'Mech out of service some time soon)
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>>66253720
The Scorpion has like zero spare parts available and rides something awful so has a bad reputation because of it. Gladiator is specifically said to only have a handful survive in a few militias. Honestly, the Gladiator shouldn't even be on the list. Too rare. It's one of the cases of Xotl even admitting he just bumped the numbers because he wanted it for flavor, not accuracy.
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So how does the 4th Succession War play out if Hanse allied with Janos instead of Katrina?
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>>66253788

Fluffwise I think there's an inhospitable world in Marik space that is pretty much an Age of War Gladiator mine.
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>>66253868
I'm starting to think a whole lot better. Kraut blonds be crazy too much of the time, yo.
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>>66253868

Janos is too much of the wrong kind of Asshole to Hanse's right kind of Asshole. Ornery, not Magnificent.
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>>66253868
>>66253933

Depends entirely if Hanse can be patient until Janos leaves the scene.

But its very likely in any event that the Capellan Confederation is well and truly fucked.
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>>66253868
The Caps are totally fucking dead from a two front crunch. Hanse marries Kristen Marik. But the alliance probably falls apart from Marik infighting on dividing up the corpse of the Caps and Aaron Sandoval screaming about the Drac menace.

>>66253902
New Dallas, an uninhabited dump full of failure and lostech that nobody even vists between the end of the 2nd Succession War and 3074.
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>>66253960
>New Dallas, an uninhabited dump full of failure and lostech that nobody even vists between the end of the 2nd Succession War and 3074.

No, different one, I think. The Kuritans lost an army of early-generation Gladiators there and just stopped building the model afterwards.
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>>66253960

Marik infighting is a highly exaggerated meme. Remember at that point in time, before Thomas got everyone's panties in a knot with his accumulation of power (and with no one getting salty over Janos losing the Coreward planets), the main gripers in the FWL were the Anduriens... who hate the Capellans more than the FWL and were upset over Kapetyn.

While obviously Anduriens gonna Andurien, getting to beat on the Capellans may be the one thing that would have shut them up.

Whether the Alliance stays together after that depends on what Hanse does next. The smartest thing is to, instead of just ruling the Capellan Confederation, is to put Candace on the throne as Chancellor, with Justin pulling the strings and turn it into a triple alliance.
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>>66254007

Mixing up Nox and New Dallas, there.
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>>66254033

Anton's Rebellion fulfills the meme nicely, anon. Complete with boarder worlds going "Have you all gone insane? More than usual?"
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>>66253663
Getting the folder structure and files moved. Since it looks like it will be a mini-trove will also build a drop. Will be located on M3d1@f1r3. Will post it once it is all done.
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>>66254058
>>66254007

Nox is a Steiner world. Plus TRO 3075 said nobody bothered to salvage 1R's so they very quickly went extinct. There's plenty of dead worlds where regiments upon regiments were lost. Doesn't necessarily mean there's salvage there centuries later.
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>>66254033

Another thing is that neither the Lyrans or Dracs come off as very threatening. The Lyrans were in full giant pussy mode after Alessandro, and had to be wooed heavily into doing anything in the 4th Succession War.

And the Dracs were under Takashi at his most retarded at that point, where he was refusing to hire mercenaries and being more interested in playing cartoon villain to the Dragoons than actually winning wars.
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>>66252495

Looking at the House Marik Vehicle list...

You know, you're better off rolling on the Light Vehicle table than Medium Vehicle.

The Medium is 70% Vedette, I kid you not. The light is full of things that has me saying "I could kick a Vedette's ass with this".

>even Scorpion (~20%, all models) can at least *fight* a Vedette on even footing, except for the variants that can instead kick a Vedette's ass
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>>66254131

Janos on the other hand wasn't a strategic maximalist. He didn't look like he *wanted* to reform the entire Inner Sphere in his image, if it meant conquering the shit out of it.
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>>66254074
>Anton's Rebellion fulfills the meme nicely, anon
A brief rebellion by a member of the ruling family, not a province, that only lasted as long as it did because of foreign interference providing the premier Mary Sue mercs of the day? Anton was just the League's Michael Hasek-Davion.
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>>66254216
>>66254074

Anton's Rebellion happens during the 3rd Succession war, no? So its kind of a moot point.
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>>66254033
>Marik infighting is a highly exaggerated meme.

Yeah, but like you said, Anduriens gonna Andurien. Imagine how the fight over new conquered territory would go between them and Oriente and Orloff. Or if that stuff would be new provinces altogether. Any sort of massive dump of new worlds into Parliament is going to destabilize the fuck out of things.
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>>66254216

It involved everyone, even in those cases when that involvement was "don't get involved". The Brush Wars book has the lore
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>>66254265
Yeah, like thirteen years before the time everyone is talking about. But then you get the Andurien rebellion around 4th War time.
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>>66254265
I had lasting effects because the FWL was war-weary (like the other states). It's important to remember the effect on Janos psychologically was stronger than the impact the war physically had on the FWLM.

>>66254277
I'm aware of that, it's one of my favorite books and I've read it several times. I had it open when I was replying. My points stand.
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>>66254294
*It had lasting effects
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>>66253778
>>66253788
Ahh, i'm an idiot, i was completely thinking about the mechs stat-wise and not fluff-wise.
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>>66254267
Never caused problems before.
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>>66253868

What happens is the Regulans finally manage to give the Cappies what they deserve.

Where my Regulans at?
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>>66254330
>Never caused problems before.
Never subsumed an entire hostile Successor State before.

Not that Kenyon "The Chad" Marik didn't try.
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>>66254350
They tore off large enough chunks of the CapCon that they surely have a system for integrating them.

Possible called the "As Long As I Get Mine" clause.
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>>66254267

Well that's why the best scenario in a FWL-FS Alliance is the Capellan Confederation being beaten, then reconstituted with Candace on the throne. Trying to hold the CapCon is pointless.
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>>66254339
War to the Knife. Balls to the Wall. Trebs for the Treb God!
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>>66254076

'Z1n3 Dr0p:

M3d1@F1r3
/folder/ytj0eyqndcbec/'Zine_Drop

If anyone has any 'zines for BT or even other games leaving aside the BIG named ones well represented in other locations, just drop them here.
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>>66254389
A puppet state is pointless if you realize the actual goal of the Succession Wars.
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>>66254392

That's goddamn right.
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How long does it take to change an omnimech's equipment if you're doing a non-standard configuration? How does that work, honestly? Do they have special pieces of mech back at base that allows them to slip equipment in and out without problems?
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>>66254400

M3d1@F1r3
/folder/qjvoom85t7kjw/TG_'Zines - In General
/folder/z8k9ftp54784g/BattleTech_'Zines -BT Specifically
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>>66254472
All the time is taken up in pod-mounting the weapons in the first place. Once you got the custom pods, then you can just plug it into fucking anything in a matter of minutes. That's the beauty of Omnis.
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>>66254442

I kinda want to upgrade a Trebuchet 5S with modern tech and give it a hatchet.
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>>66254502
So a Shadow Cat losing a gr to damage, it would be really fast to remove that 12 ton beast and put in a new one, or a weird pair of LPLs?
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>>66254472

Depends on the loadout and what supplies they have on hand. But generally, yes, if it is in the mission plan as a possible loadout the Astechs will have it. While it does not specifically state anywhere that I can remember, having worked with large modular industrial units, depending on the number of bodies, 15 to 30 minutes per major component area swapped per 2 to 3 man team with proper tools.
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>>66254533
Can armor be repaired that quickly as well?
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>>66254442
How do folks contact inker for commissions? I heard his sketch prices were good and I had two B&W ones I was hoping he'd have slots for.
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>>66254550
Yes. Omnis are big lego sets. Canon repair and loadout swap times are 10-15 minutes with a full clanner tech crew.
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>>66254550

Depends on the armor type, how much damage done, etc... House rules we used for that was five minutes per point for standard. The special stuff (FF, FA, etc), assuming you have the proper solvents on hand, 2 minutes per point needed, otherwise doubles the time.
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>>66254594
>five minutes per point for standard.
That's canon StratOps rules for regular Battlemechs.
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>>66254392

Does anyone know what this says on this mech's shoulder?
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>>66254701
Cole slaw.
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>>66254701
84
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>>66254560
Inker has a tumblr he doesn't use much any more; check out his Twitter and Hentai Foundry instead.

He's even ducked his head in here a few times lately.
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>>66250959
>>66251167
Cool. :)

>>66253720
The Scorpion has been covered. The Gladiator survivors are specifically noted as existing within militia units in their TR 3075 write-up. Whether they're good machines or not sometimes has no bearing on the fluff. For the Gladiator, I'd assume this is because they're incredibly old machines with spare parts hard to come by and so generally in pretty shitty shape.
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>>66254701
Looks like Thai, "Kæ̂khæ̂n!" or "revenge!" in English.
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>>66254701
You mean over the RT PPC? No bloody idea, ask /int/ and let us know.
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>>66255072

Its Thai and not Hindi or Urdu?
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>>66255036
Yo Xotl, one of those charts showed the Grasshopper as being more available to the Taurians than the Marauder. Would you agree with that or is it in error?
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>>66255117
Definitely. That last letter is the Thai alphabet one for "n", and Urdu alphabet looks like Farsi whilst Hindi is all straight lines on top.
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>>66255124
>Is a mech made in the core for a few years more common than a mech made for hundreds of years in the periphery in the nation with that factory
You really need to ask that, bro?
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>>66255169
I won't even pretend to be an expert on mech availability, man. You guys all know a lot more on it than I do, so I feel no shame in asking even if it seems obvious.

While Xotl's stuff is far from perfect, but I prefer to check rather than assume.
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>>66237242
>I'm in boys!

First game this weekend with the girlfriend who digs robots too !
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>>66255293
Have fun man. Give us a shout if you have any questions or just take a few pics of the game for a battle report. Those are always a joy to see.
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>>66255293
Groovy.
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>>66255124

The charts obey fluff, with modern statements taking priority, even if that sometimes creates unpopular results. The most recent statement for the Marauder made it a rare machine. I wish they hadn't, but them's the breaks.

That having been said, a) the Taurians should definitely have more than anyone else in the Periphery--I think that's an oversight, and b) I did up the Marauder's numbers in the in-progress next release across the board, choosing to interpret what "rare" means a little more liberally. But you still won't have lots of them.

Thanks for pointing that out.
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>>66255124
>one of those charts showed the Grasshopper as being more available to the Taurians than the Marauder
The Taurians only make a couple Marauders a year, and Marauders have a distinct tendency to explode, rendering the Mech unsalvagable, meaning production just about keeps up with losses. Grasshoppers are the quintessential heavy zombie Mech and are next to impossible to destroy.

Finally, no matter what fluff says, fuck the Taurians hopes and dreams of being the only faction to get good access to every single "good" Introtech heavy Mech. No, they don't have better and more comprehensive Mech production than the protagonist Successor States. You autists don't get massive production numbers of the Thud AND the Archer AND the Whammy AND the Marauder. You'll be satisfied with having the Warhammer and Thud as your "main" heavies and have extremely limited production of the other two, and like it, or by Herb next time we visit the pre-Clan era we're going to take them all away and leave you fucks with the Ostroc as your ONLY heavy.

If there's meaningful Marauder numbers anywhere in the Periphery, the Canopians get them, since that's the only Intro heavy that they have any serious access to at all. Go cry about it.
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>>66255460
>The most recent statement for the Marauder made it a rare machine.
The Marauder has always been rare since the 80's. It's preferentially targeted on the battlefield to the point it would be extinct within a couple decades if factories weren't cranking it out.

But the difference between that and the Grasshopper which is so rare nobody even knew what it was when they saw it on the battlefield until TRO:3025 was published by Comstar is a whole different level. IMO you also made Osts too common but whatever.
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What type of instrumental music do you play when playing BT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDL8oI3CyY&list=PLirSddeMOYZ6cbbofkG08oeGaQnQr6JcD
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>>66255468
>Go cry about it.
you seem to have the monopoly on that here
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>>66254701
>>66255164

Neat. I've never heard of any Thai in Battletech before so that's pretty cool.
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>>66255519
>What type of instrumental music do you play when playing BT?
Duh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5gonV69pVs
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Can a mech on fire suffer fire damage like trees or a building?
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>>66255560
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

>>66255519
Try this if you like some classic Sega.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvkvVgg4Z74


>>66255566
You can choose heat or damage with stuff like flamers, not both. It's what separates them from conventional scrubs like infantry or tanks.
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>>66255509

>the Grasshopper which is so rare nobody even knew what it was when they saw it on the battlefield until TRO:3025

Based on that reading of TR 3039, the Grasshopper should probably be dropped a notch, yeah.

>IMO you also made Osts too common

TR 3039 says Ostroc numbers "have dwindled", which is an obvious truism which tells us nothing, while TR 3050 says the Ostroc "does not exist in any great numbers". Between the two, that says neither common nor rare to me, since the books aren't shy about outright stating either when that's the case. TR 3039 says the Ostsol "remains a common sight".

Thanks. Feedback like this is always useful.
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>>66255632
Hey Xotl, is there going to be a new errata that gives my baby Phoenix Hawk the Command Mech quirk back?
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>>66255293
Of course, chicks love giant robots.
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>>66255519
Mech Commander and Mechwarrior soundtracks.
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>>66255671
I was actually trying to remember what quirk I had to fix this morning and couldn't because I've let BT slack lately and it had been too long: you've ensured that gets fixed in the upcoming BMM errata.
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Messing with MegaMek Lab. Found out you can make a Hellstar version of the Daishi rather easily, and it ends up being I think 10 tons lighter. Also if you replace two of the CERPPCs with GRs you can do that too with 4 tons of ammo. Both variants have a back up ERSL.
Except for the speed, why was the Hellstar made? Using a Daishi would already be using an established frame.
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>>66255713
My sibkin.
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>>66255732

I mean, isn't the speed a major point?
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>>66255713
Dude, nice.
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>>66255732
>why was the Hellstar made?
Clicketech wanted a Not!Awesome to fit in the little booster boxes. That is literally it. No deeper thought required.
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>>66255758
1 point of MP? I plead ignorance about using it.

>>66255779
Well that's disappointing.
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>>66254135

>heard you were talking shit
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>>66255445
I'll make one. I'm waiting for other lance of mech (for that sweet Atlas booty and Hunchback boomstick AC/20 requested by the lady)!

I'm so freaking excited. I've been waiting 18 years to play the Table Top BT since my brother and I found a flyer about it in a science mag!

>>66255681
I've purged people who don't dig giant robots in my entourage.
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Has anyone on /tg/ taken a crack at going over Xotl's RATs and removing the 3039 retcons?
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>>66255468
The big change that needs to happen to Xotl's tables is that the heavy and assault mech sections need to be completely deleted from the Magistry of Canopus section. Their biggest mechs are Shadow Hawks
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>>66254135
>Hating the vedette.
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>>66255814
Why? The 3039 changes made the game a lot better. Why would you play a version that's more boring and worse?
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>>66255560
>not posting the whole fight too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdboSdyC6O4
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>>66255814
>>66255830
thesearebothbait.hpg
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>>66255814
All I do is replace those with foreign salvage rolls. Works well.

>>66255830
Keep your bait to yourself.
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>>66255842
Fuck wrong video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUxDmKFCD2o&t=
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>>66255842
>not posting the whole fight too
I do so frequently anyway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUxDmKFCD2o). The video in >>66255560 was cut to showcase Talgorns's score (the whole of which is available from iTunes for $9.99) laid over the scene in which it takes place, but without the dialogue and sound effects. My brain fills in the lines in my head since I've seen this so many times.
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>>66255814
>the 3039 retcons

What are they anyway?
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>>66255953
Basically that the TRO:2750 Comstar machines are not extinct and in fact are common and/or in production.
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>>66255983

Why do fans of this game seem obsessed with having as few mechs as possible, and as bad mechs as possible?
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>>66256091
Maybe because that's what literally defines the dark ages of the late-succession wars and it's the only time period that does that? Play in the Jihad and you get every fucking toy in the bin, primitive to cutting edge. Stuff a bunch of extra crap in the 3rd War and all you do is take away what makes that particular time unique.

It's fine if you don't like it. But it is objectively bad to take away what makes the 3rd War different compared to other time periods. That itself is less variety of gameplay.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bQzkdK2ha0
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>>66255820

Practically, speaking. There are things in the light list that are better MBTs than a 5-8 track with an AC/5 or AC/2, and the Vedette actually does crowd out everything in the medium list.
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>>66255983
>>66255953

An enduring reminder of one of the many ways that Harmony Gold deserves no pity from anyone.
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>>66256162
Doesn't matter if it's good or not. Fluff matters more, and the fluff states that it's the most common vee in the Inner Sphere by a country mile.

>>66256148
>this opinion isn't just bait, it's cancer
>nothing about it inherently anathema to including the downrated 2750 mechs into the game for the sake of variety
>those mechs can still be your favorite kind of mech: barely functional shitboxes
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>>66256091
Because while we do have our inner munchkins we keep them repressed and only let them out in moments of pure unadulterated mayhem with much gnashing of teeth, lamentations, and blood.
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>>66256314
>for the sake of variety

Your the cancer that doesn't understand you're anti-variety.
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>>66256148
>>66256314

Regardless of the era, shitbox mechs will exist. Even in the most technologically advanced eras, the Periphery, pirates and broke mercs exist.
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>>66256326
>more mechs = less variety

Here, children, we see the cancerous shitposter in his natural habitat.
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>>66256162

It's a wonder nobody came up with a combat upgrade before the Blakist "cost is no object" factory rebuilds.

Downgrade the engine to a 200ICE, put another AC/5 hull mounted in the front, tah dah! Acceptably mediocrity achieved, and no factory required.
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>>66256326

>Wanting more variety of mechs is anti-variety.

Grogness is a hell of a drug.
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>>66256371
>Let me make the 3rd War the same as the 2nd War
>More variety

That would be you, Faggetron Prime.
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>66255468
not even worth a (You)

Of note, however, is the mystery Marauder source for the Canopians. Can any cite a sourcebook and page for it? I've heard it before but can't recall running across it when I read the Periphery sourcebooks.
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>>66256392

You seem to be under the delusion that a mech exists, you are forced to use it. At any point in the timeline, mech forces range from great to shit depending where and who you are.

More mechs is a good thing because it gives more variety and choice - not forcing it, but leaving it on the table.
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>>66256392
You know what would be even better? All Mechs bigger than the bugs are extinct, and even then, jump jets and energy weapons are no longer functional. That would really get the feeling of late 3rd war across to players. Think of how different it would feel compared to the 2nd war.

There's no good reason for CGL not to get on this right away, don't you think?
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>>66256404
There's a later publication thing about the Canopians finding some old extinct SL dropships and one of them was full of Mads. This is later era. Doesn't apply to 3025 IIRC. But we do know the Space Whores do have at least a heavy/assault mech batt in reserve
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>>66256419
>variety and choice
Those aren't part of the 3rd Succession War experience. Less choices means better gameplay.
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>>66256432
Sure, I think it's with their Raventhir's Iron Hand regiment. Makes sense to keep a heavy/assault reserve to protect their capital and over 50% of their military industry.
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>>66256419
And you seem to be under the delusion that extinct doesn't mean you can't find random garbage in a cache. Having that crab or whatever should feel SPECIAL, not that it doesn't happen at all. The retcons take that away.

When everyone is special, nobody is.
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>>66256438
Yeah we should all be playing vees only featuring spiders in Battletech
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>>66256379

Maximum Purple: 200 ICE, pull the AC/5, turret mount an Large Laser, LRM5, and addition MG. Class D refit.

>have we done this before?
>you'd think we'd have done this before but I've never seen the general spit-ball grog-economic Vedette refitting
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>>66256474

So the retcons say that the mechs its adds back in are being made in factories at the same rate as any other mech?

Otherwise, no, they are inherently rare by simple logistics.
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>>66256474
Downrated SL Mechs shouldn't be in a cache anyway. The SL wouldn't have downrated them like that. If you're finding SL Mechs in a cache, they should be the standard SL varients, which means your point is, well, pointless.

You can have the shitty downrated SL Mechs alongside the 3025 Mechs just fine. And then when you find a cache that has a Crab-27sl in it, then it's fucking Christmas.

See? The exact gameplay you asked for, but with a better variety of Mech choices.
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>I am the Lorax, I speak for the 'Mechs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
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>>66256392
>>66256552

Also, addendum ,but does anyone actually play 2nd or 1st succession wars? The amount of material provided clearly has the 3rd War as the "start" of the timeline, even if earlier stuff exists.
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>>66256491

Although what keeps me from doing this with V's is that if you're keeping an ICE, your dudes are gonna burn anyway. Just save up for the Manticore.
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>>66256552
>a better variety of Mech choices.
That's a bad thing, not a feature. You shouldn't get choices in 3rd War play. The entire feel is that mechs are going extinct, and having lots of varieties to them is wrong.

If anything, players should be capped at 1/mech per force, and the rest should be vehicles and infantry. Maybe an armed Industrialmech.
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>>66256522
>So the retcons say that the mechs its adds back in are being made in factories at the same rate as any other mech?
For a lot of them, YES.
And others are put AT SURVIVING LEVELS GREATER THAN 3025 STANDARDS. Though a lot of that can be attributed to the aborted "soft retcon everything to 10x previous numbers" stuff from a decade ago.

Old shit nobody recognizes because it is supremely rare or cobbled together is old school 3025, unretconned. If that's what you want, then you agree with me.
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>>66256608
and there it is
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>>66256626
>And others are put AT SURVIVING LEVELS GREATER THAN 3025 STANDARDS.
That's solely because of Harmony Gold. FASA had to do something to make a game where there was enough Mechs they could actually depict in art and fiction, once the Unseen went away. Go be mad and autistic at them.

>>66256626
>If that's what you want,
Nobody but you wants that anon. It's boring and gets really fucking old, really fucking fast. I've played that game, and it got boring in less than a year.
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>>66256583
No. But the thing is, the people that like 3039 retcons should be playing in those eras instead of flipping 3025 on its head. Imagine people in a historical game fucking around with Byzantium when they really want to play classic Western Empire.
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>>66256491

...The FWL never used the Goblin?
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>>66256583
I've played a handful of games set during the 1st and 2nd succession wars as the TDF trying to ensure some sort of survival during the apocalyptic collapse of Star League society.
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>>66256626

I mean a little weird, but that's a retcon.

I guess I can't get myself worked up into screaming autistic fits over having more mechs.
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>>66256692
Imagine OG 3039 when Teddy rolled out in twelve regiments of stuff people hadn't seen in 250 years and shocked even the Fox so much he aborted a war. Imagine Comstar dropping fifty-two fucking regiments of that stuff to stop the Clan juggernaut in 3053. Those were defining moments of the storyline that sent chills up the spine. Now it's all just meh. And not even intentionally, but because of HG legal fuckery.
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>>66255632

I would suggest that the amounts dropped on the Grasshopper and Osts be put into the Marauder since the bulls actually build it, and single to teen digit availability of a mech they have three factories for shouldn't be a big deal. Hell, one of the only times we see Taurian units fighting in the books it's a Marauder.
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>>66256779
I'd say cut the grasshopper and crusaders more than the osts, because even if they started with less osts, the crusader dies way, way more often
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>>66256779
I double checked my Taurian records and I had the Marauder already high in my master list (Av 8 for them): it looks like the tiny amounts that actually showed up on their RAT were the result of a copy/paste error, probably from the Outworlds table.
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>>66256850
Fair point
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>>66256869
I see.
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>>66256869
I feel like the banshee should probably be less prevalent on the periphery RATs, given it's background as a hegemony militia and mothball machine, while it makes sense for the houses to have picked up a lot of them while looting the hegemony during the 1sw, the periphery never got in on that, so they'd only have gotten banshees through salvage or maybe defectors
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>>66257056
I might replace it with a few more Victors and even a handful of Zeuses (assuming the Lyrans would want to make some money by selling them).
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>>66257056
Hmm, I always assumed that the Periphery made sense as sort of the last stop for garbage machines in the SL days. Eventually the Hegemony became the League, and there would have been a steady rotation of crap being pushed outwards, from Hegemony front line to Hegemony militia to House front line to House militia to the Periphery. The Banshee is old enough that I saw it as taking that full route (more likely bypassing the House step altogether, now that I think about it, since its fluff says it was dumped because House machines were outperforming it). It had 300 years to be pushed aside, and the Periphery had access for most of that time as part of the League.
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>>66257124
Main problem there is that most of the SL garrisons were pure infantry regiments in the Periphery.
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>>66257124
Can you sneak some toros in the Taurians RATs.
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>>66257056
The periphery would probably have a reasonably large number given the fluff indicating that the houses usually dumped them in units on the periphery border.
But yeah, I'd probably cut them down a little and increase the number of longbows
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I regret starting all this

I'll just play with them existing, but not in production

Tweak Xotls RATs accordingly
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>>66257150
Sure, but there's still entire army groups out there. I don't recall: did the Periphery have their own even nominally independent forces as well later on in the League, like the Houses did?
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>>66257201
Nah, I'm glad you did. Really valuable feedback resulted that will make the next version more accurate.
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>>66257228
yeah
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>>66257228
You mean like the Amaris buildup when they did sneaky sneak entire divisions of the stuff?
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>>66257257
I mean before that. Pre-Amaris status quo.
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>>66257124
>>66257150
It makes sense that Amaris, in building his secret army, would most easily be able to get rid of old Terran Hegemony junk to the periphery
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>>66257251
Reminder to delete the entire Canopian heavy and assault Mech sections and replace them with nothing but Shadow Hawks.
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>>66257304
Please kindly fuck off.
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>>66257316

Don't reply to him, it's that Canopian shitposter who thinks they're clever with their "reverse-trolling"
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>>66257228
Yes, and banshees actually don't figure prominently on their RATs. In fact, the Victor and Emperor-5A and even the Awesome are actually more common on the taurian RAT.
Not that it really matters, because those forces end up being outnumbered about 30:1 with SLDF defectors and salvage after '65, so periphery assault RATs should by all rights consist almost exclusively of the tougher stuff from the 2765 C and D SLDF RATs
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>>66257334
>SLDF defectors
>to the Periphery states

These had to be Regular Army formations drawn from Great House states that went native or something. Did any Royal units desert?
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>>66255983
Really, it's only a handful of them that are common/in production. A lot are still extinct and the ones that aren't are mostly still OOP and exist as a small amount of old surviving models still kept in service with repairs.
Granted, there's some very egregious ones as well. Like Kintaro going from extinct to being in full production.
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>>66257334
>so periphery assault RATs should by all rights consist almost exclusively of the tougher stuff from the 2765 C and D SLDF RATs
That's basically what they are now except with a lot more atlases (seriously, check LOT; the fucking thing is almost as common as the stalker)
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>>66257334
That's something I hadn't considered: consulting the 2765 RATs for some sort of baseline (they didn't exist when I started). Interestingly it only applies to the Taurians: the Banshee is pretty common in the Outworlds and Magistracy tables there still. I think I'll drop Taurian Banshee numbers and raise their Awesome numbers to compensate, then, and maybe make some other tweaks based on them. Thanks.
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>>66257002
Why don't we have a version of this with a Mackie throwing a temper tantrum and a hot Atlas nearby looking like the cute chick?
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>>66257432
>More awesomes.
Hnnng.
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>>66257376
Six independent regiments, an infantry division, and most wildly, *sixteen fucking WarShips* defected to the rebels, at least two mech regiments in the TC among them
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Serious question here, prior to Xin Sheng what are Canopian worlds with any strategic value (in it in some industry or resource) besides Canopus and Dunianshire?
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>>66257432
I think raising the number of Atlases rather than Awesomes makes more sense given how huge the rarity gap it has between the SLDF and periphery tables
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>>66257484
Why don't we have Awesomes riding Lyran genetically engineered dinosaurs? You can get old K Steiner to fund this if she's told it will make Davion butt rumpled or something.
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>>66257333
How can you tell the difference between him the couple of shitposters who actually hate the MOCs existence?
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>>66256091
>>66256314
It's mostly because it messes up the canon in a pretty big way. Those mechs being extinct is a plot point. Like, in one book a character flips out at seeing an actually functioning Kintaro, which makes no sense if it's a common Davion trooper medium. And a big part of the war of 3039 was ComStar handing a bunch of those mechs to the Dracs, which was one of the reasons why Hanse Davion ended the war short (if the Dracs can apparently fart out multiple regiments of mechs nobody had seen more than a handful in a century, who knows what else they could have up in their sleeves, especially since Theodore's forces were acting as if they were a lot stronger than initially assumed).

I get the retcon was made to fill up gaps in the mech lineup left by the Harmony Gold debacle, but even then it wasn't really necessary. They were also pushing 3039 as the new standard introtech time, so they could've simply said those mechs used to be extinct but after the war of 3039 they became available again due to Dracs getting several regiments woth of them, some of which would end up salvaged by Davions and Lyrans (and maybe ComStar could've sold the downgraded versions to other factions as well; at this point that wouldn't really retcon anything).
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>>66257517
They're all populated with ugly women, so the answer is "non of them"

Seriously though. The answer is "none of them" anyway. There's nothing of value on any of the other Canopian worlds.
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>>66257518
But awesomes are more "zombie" than the atlas, we are looking for good "I will not blow up lol" rate there. And the Taurians could repair and re-equip them with Magna PPC for example.
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>>66257432
In the interests of not making Taurian fans even more insufferable than they already are (SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED), instead of Awesomes, could you give them more Strikers and Stalkers instead?
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>>66257530

It's the leading shitposts he makes. The "hate the MOCs existence" crowd doesn't really exist. There's some people with legitimate criticisms and then an anon who tries to make every related discussion become a shitshow by acting as outrageous as possible. After years of posting here it's easy to recognize different anon's posting styles.

>>66257508
Can you refresh my memory on the book with those figures. Liberation of Terra or 1st Succession War?
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>>66257561
What makes you say that Canopians are ugly? They're the mecca of entertainment and whoring of the Inner Sphere. If everyone is making trips to see them, how can they possible all be ugly?
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>>66257614
Liberation of Terra 2, actually
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>>66257614
>The "hate the MOCs existence" crowd doesn't really exist.
Come off it man, that's not true and you know it. They shouldn't exist by all rights with the level of arms and equipment they had access to, and ESPECIALLY given the arms and equipment that the Taurians had access to. Fuck, look at the discussion we're having about the Taurians getting more Awesomes. How the fuck are the MOC supposed to counter that, and then remember that, regardless of the upgrades they got in the 20 year update, in 3025 they have battalions of Mechs instead of regiments. The Taurians outnumber them by about 5 to 1 in Mech, and have better and heavier Mechs to boot, AND Periphery 1e says that the MOC and Taurians are fighting over worlds rich in SL caches and germanium.

It's not about hating the MOCs existence. It's about hating author fiat and everything that stems from it, and the continued existence of the MOC is entirely based in author fiat.
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>>66257620
Given the months it would take to travel there, that's an economic model that doesn't make any sense. Hell, the Pleasure Circuses make more sense to operate independently without any national association. And if they had one, the Lyrans or Free Worlders make the most sense for home bases since they're states where people have rights and want to make some money, plus you have industry that can repair and replace dropships and jumpships.
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>>66257562
Technically speaking, the taurians maybe everything they need to completely rebuild an atlas as well, arguably more so because they make 300 but not 240 rated engines. Besides, the atlas is theoretically more explosive than the awesome (like virtually everything), but on the other hand it's still extremely tough and survivable
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>66257668
>Come off it man, that's not true and you know it.
>It's not about hating the MOCs existence.

just stop
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>>66257655
Thanks.

>>66257601
Honestly the anons who speak as if they're tired or annoyed by "Taurian fans" are more insufferable.
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>>66257668
>The Taurians outnumber them by about 5 to 1 in Mech, and have better and heavier Mechs to boot, AND Periphery 1e says that the MOC and Taurians are fighting over worlds rich in SL caches and germanium.
Oh, and before somebody tells me that this isn't in the book, Periphery 1e, page 104. The Cate's Hold entry says straight up that the MOC and Taurians are fighting over exactly what I said they're fighting about.

And for some unforseeable reason the Taurian regiments of Warhammers, Thunderbolts, and Marauders are completely smashing the battalion of Stingers, Wasps, and Shads that the MOC has.

Hmm, author fiat?
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>>66257601
Heh, looking more specifically at the 2765 chart, it looks like it would be Stalkers first and foremost (#7 slot), followed by Victors, plus Battlemasters, Longbows, Goliaths, Awesome, Strikers and even Thugs). Basically small nudges to most of the other machines at the expense of the Banshee. The Stalker is already really high for them (as it is for most of the Periphery powers, since back when I made these there weren't many sources for the area and I just went with some generic entries using known common machines).

At the same time, I need to check out newer RATs from the other temporal direction too (like ER 3052), so as not to be relying too much on listings 250 years out of date.
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>>66257726
That's because Taurian fans are insufferable, and you don't like it when a spade gets called a spade.
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>>66257737
If you're going to talk about fiat, talk about the six battlemech regiments the writers pulled out of their asses for the MAF in FM:P. They had a bigger military buildup in the same time than the FWLM and CCAF.
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>>66257753
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>>66257743
Yeah, I get that. IMO in the absence of hard details I tend to want to push things in the direction of "least power increase" whenever possible. The Striker is, technically, as Assault Mech, and it's one that both doesn't get played often, and doesn't massively increase the power of a formation like the Awesome does.

Basically, from a game meta perspective, giving Taurians more under-performing low-end assaults to replace the Bansheet changes the relative capabilities of their force much less than giving them more of one of the best Mechs in the game.
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time for a new thread?
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>>66257807
We are only in page 4 dude.
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>>66257769
The Taurians had a magical 100 regiment buildup in Liberation of Terra. That's a lot worse than 6 regiments.
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>>66257807
Please. Maybe the autism will stay in this one for a while and give us some peace.
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>>66257822
What do the Taurians have to do with it? And out of curiosity, what was the Canopian buildup in the same era?
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>>66257823
As long as there aren't 100% hard numbers governing every chassis and every variant of every chassis, the production autism will never leave these threads.
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New thread, board dropships whenever:
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>>66257823
Wishful thinking, anon
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>>66257769
>If you're going to talk about fiat, talk about the six battlemech regiments the writers pulled out of their asses for the MAF in FM:P.
You're right. That is fiat.

It was also correcting a flat-out mistake made by the original authors of Periphery 1629. The intention was never to have the MOC be that much worse off than its neighbors. I asked the MOC buildup on the "Ask the Writers" last year (look for Patton1945) and they confirmed that the original wording where the MOC only had 1 battalion per regiment was an outright error. They meant to say that MOC regiments had 1 battalion of heavy mechs, and the other 2 battalions didn't have those mechs.
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>>66257881
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED BY DAVION SCUM
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>>66257896
Nah m8, the mistake was corrected with fleshing out those original regiments to have three mech battalions, and that's reasonable. The fiat was adding half a dozen *more* regiments out of thin air.
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>>66257881

pic unrelated
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>>66257929

I mean, its a moot point complaining since the Canopians become a massive power thanks to the Cappies anyways.

The Outworlds Alliance has a right to complain, starting off with mostly just bugs, and then getting real mechs later but having their total number of mechs mysteriously drop down to not even 2 full regiments (did they sell the bugs to buy new mechs?)
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>>66258097
Sorry man, I'm not trying to argue about. I was just pointing out to that anon that the MoC did get some real fiat worth bitching about if one feels inclined to complain.

The OA suffered but at least they had a cool faction culture and lots of aerospace fighters.
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>>66256664
>FASA had to do something
That something should have been just comissioning new art and everyone knows it. But even now turboautists are assmad that Simmy is doing new art of the Unseen. I personally don't mind the retcon of downgraded 'Mechs, but it causes issues with the War of 3039 that should have been addressed in other ways (like actually giving the Dracs some real victories, or having more 'Mech regiments to make up for it) but whatever.
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>>66257737
>>66257769
Holy fucking shit, you goober. The MoC only having single battalions of 'Mechs per regiment of force, if this was *ever* true rather than the fevered imaginings of whining Taurians, was an error corrected at least as far back as the 20-Year Update, and possibly earlier.
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>>66258159
>>66258097

I think its neat that the RATs actually gave some love to the OA and just didn't ignore them. I'm a soft fan of the faction due to their air focus and pacifism. Some of their focuses are kind of interesting there though - I would have expected more Merlins than Grasshoppers and Ostsols, and the focus on the Phoenix Hawk as a medium is interesting.
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>>66254701
it says PURPLE BIRD



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