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Paizo Games General /pgg/

Tie edition. Does your character wear a tie? Are ties high fashion in your Starfinder game?

/pfg/ Link Repository (Pathfinder): https://pastebin.com/YLikTing
/sfg/ Link Repository (Starfinder): https://pastebin.com/rg4U6fCa

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>>66231112
>Tfw you apply 20th century fashion to 30th century setting.

On a more serious note, I kind of wish they bring earth into Starfinder as a setting since Pathfinder had it and show the Terran Galactic Empire or whatever its equivelant would be called.
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>>66231112
Useless chuuni gunslut.
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>>66231112
He owns one cravat that he bought secondhand from an old buddy with an acting troupe.
Wears it when he’s trying to pick up classy out-of-towner chicks
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>>66231112
What's everyone's favorite weapon, both mundane and magic?
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>>66231465
Call me unimaginative but I like Knives.
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>>66231465
Bardiche
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>>66231112
I have so many gosh darn tie-wearing pictures, I decided to make my clerics wear them.
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>>66231465
Partisan/Jumonji
Sadly, those aren't started out appropriately in Pathfinder.
For those that are in the game: Lucerne, Tonfa, Klar, Kyoketsu Shoge, and Rhomphaia
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>>66231534
That's no tie, that's some kind of pointy cravat
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>>66231465
https://aonprd.com/EquipmentWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Sarissa
The very best weapon that has ever had the chance to exist in pathfinder
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>>66231924
Looks like 7 ties to me!
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>>66231951
>Have a formation of soldiers with Sarissa, tower shields, a feat/ability means to use both, the Mobile Bulwark style line, and Combat Reflexes
>Intersperse/support them with counterspell/buff specialists
Just get the bad boys either in a formation or choke point, keep them at least 3 men deep, and you got a proper intimidating force
Shame you can rare manage it in game as PCs
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>>66232079
Teamwork feats would be alot neater if you can add them as army effects if your doing big battle games. Its kind of the reason I wish Path either made a good mass combat system or got rid of teamwork feats entirely.
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>>66232169
Teamwork feats should be campaign boons for GMs to give their players as opposed to specific strategies you have to shell out precious leveling resources for.
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>Blood for the Empire (Teamwork)
>When fighting alongside your allies, the sight of a bloodied foe inspires you to greatness, while a martyred comrade compels you to vengeance.

>Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +4.

>Benefit: You gain a +2 morale bonus on attack and damage rolls against a target that was damaged by an ally with this feat within the last round. When an ally with this feat dies within 30 feet of you, you gain the effects of haste for 1 round.
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>>66232199
Agreed. Or just like, going in with a plan. Setting up an ambush? Attackders get a d6 to all damage attacks. Setting up defenses. +2 hard AC on the Bulwark.
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>>66232199
>>66232169
Personally, I'd rather they instead be rolled into the Aid Another rules to allow for and encourage more active usage and on-the-fly teamwork between players
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>ywn play a glorious soldier of the Azlanti Star Empire, undermining the best efforts of the feeble Pact Worlds and their mongrel population with peerless skill and towering guile.
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>>66232252
Sorry, some of us prefer the Cyrus The Great approach to empire building
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>>66232249
I feel it works better as a full-combat effects, mostly for the fact that if you make it on the fly stuff, it means your enemies get it too and that can lead to some bullshit really fast. By making it specific events for the whole combat, your encouraging the party to stick to the strategy and working as a team or falling back and regrouping to form a new strategy when it doesnt.
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>>66232252
Talk’s cheap! I bet you Azlanti goons can’t even take a punch.
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>>66232322
I bet they cant even shoot a target at point blank, Imperial Fags
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>>66232322
>>66232356
Bring it on! Azlanti martial arts are the best in the galaxy, each one of our soldiers are the cream of Humanity's crop, we can take a hit, especially if it's from arms as soft and noodly as yours!
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>>66232309
>it means your enemies get it too and that can lead to some bullshit really fast.
>He doesn't want to have difficult yet rewarding fights against professional PMCs, Sacred Bands, and battle couples
>He doesn't want Tucker's Kobolds with the coordination of a Roman legion
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>>66232389
Yeah and why shouldnt I want a genuine relaxing experience? This is make pretend fun time, not fucking give me a fucking aneurysm from the stress of having to deal with the GM actively trying to kill the PC's.
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>>66231465
Mother fuckin LEAF BLADE BITCHEEEESSSSS
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>>66232384
>Says he is the best martial artist
>Proceeds to get shot like the martialfag he is.
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>>66232423
You sound like the type of person who demands that Sekiro and Dark Souls have easy modes
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>>66232542
Nope, cause I dont play either. They are not really my style of game.

Anyone who thinks pen and paper games needs to be as hard as dark souls needs to get their skulls checked and find a group that willing to put up with throwing a character away every odd session.
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>>66232542
>all games should be required to have easy modes
>easy games deserve to exist for those who want them
These sentences do not mean the same thing, you know.
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>>66231465
Greatspears
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>>66232570
>needs to get their skulls checked and find a group that willing to put up with throwing a character away every odd session
Tomb of Horrors, and most of the classic dungeons, existed for this very reason. It's what the hobby was built on.
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>>66231465
Your model is shit, shill.
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>>66232660
Yeah, but there was a reason they are called classics. They are an outdated design philosophy when it comes to TTRPG games. Now and days if you ask your average gamer what kind of experience they want, most are going to say they want a casual experience thats sometimes challenging but still fun.
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>>66231465
I LOVE THE HALBERD.
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>>66232694
The name has been removed and it's relevant to the discussion. What more do you want?
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>>66232660
And thank fuck the hobby has improved.

>>66232754
I think he wants to make his own 3D model, clearly.
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>>66232660
The hobby also sucked back then.
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So should the older Spheres of Power classes get a buff? I'm feeling kinda left out of some of the fun when I compare Armorist and Shifter to Prodigy and Troubadour and Sage.
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>>66231465
You can't go wrong with a trusty Magnetar rifle!
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>>66232818
>Spheres is too weak
People like you are why they made PF2.
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>>66232309
>it means your enemies get it too and that can lead to some bullshit really fast.
That's just, like, your opinion man.
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>>66232818
Some anon made an "unchained" version of the Armorist if I recall.
As for shifter, it doesn't seem too bad to me
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>>66232828
>Older spheres content is too weak
Idunno man, I'm just sitting here with my fifteen talents and bundle of class features that amounts to tongues, scraps from Paladin and Druid, and shapeshifting being my one shtick

DDS was way too conservative when SoP first dropped
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>>66232721
>>66232570
>Says a game style is bad
>Only defends it by going "well, in my opinion/preference"
So you don't have an actual point
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>>66232846
Bestial traits only at levels 2/6/10/14/18 sucks though. Even if it's "up all the time" most of the good stuff is natural attacks and flight. Shifter should get bestial traits every level

I want a familiar, dammit
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>>66232169
>>66232199
I like how the Inquisitor does it. You can benefit, but allies can't unless they have the feat as well.
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>>66232867
>Shifter should get bestial traits every level
Now that's going to far. Every other level, and it should be fine. Also don't forget, you're a fish with full CL in Alteration, one of the most versatile/toolboxy spheres in the game. It's the go to Sphere for those who want to be prepared for most situations like a Wizard, since talents and traits can be quite versatile.
Also dude, there's a million different ways to get a familiar. Use literally any of them
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>>66231465
I mentioned it last thread, but joke weapons. Battle Poi, Lantern Staff, and a goddamn Travel Kettle to name a few.

I've never really used specific magic weapons though.
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>>66232829
>>66232864
I never at any point said that the design was bad verbatum. Its not my thing yeah, ill give it a little shit because of that but it doesn't make it any less of a style then my preference to seek out a gaming experience I want out of it.

My points basically that fun is fun. Even if you dont agree with it doesn't give you the right to shit on others preferences about it beyond friendly trolling or jabbing.
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>>66232911
Let's settle on every other level.

Alteration is the most versatile sphere, this is true. But Shifter's only real redeeming feature nowadays is "is slightly better with Alteration than other casters" and even that is contentious with Sphere Druid existing

I just wish I could get more talents, or not be so TIGHT on talents, so I didn't have to cheese Companion Merger for fun stuff from Spheres of Might
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>>66232754
>>66232777
I mean, dickishness aside, it's not very good. You can very clearly see edges that should have been beveled, for example.
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Lads, is it even worth investing in Sniper Rifles in Starfinder? Because I'm looking at their advantage in huuuuge range and then looking at the reality of most combat maps being about maybe 50-75 feet between targets.
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>>66233001
I’d play a cute sniper if they were viable. Maybe a DM could throw you a bone with some long range maps
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>>66233001
Its neat if your going into big open areas and you just want to camp out off-map.
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>>66232934
>Even if you dont agree with it doesn't give you the right to shit on others preferences
Like you did in the beginning when you called it, I'm your own words, "bullshit" and immediately poopoo'd it instead of either ignoring the suggestion or politely saying "that's an idea, but not to my tastes" like an adult? Because your initial posts carried the implication that you viewed the idea as bad and that it was an inferior playstyle, and when another person pointed out how it is fun to them and how they view it as appealing, you tried to shield yourself from critique by saying "It's my opinion, so I can't be criticised", before doing the same thing again by calling those playstyles "primitive" and "out-dated", thus showing that you actually do think it's more than a matter of preference and that your position is somehow superior despite it being based on subjective tastes.
Also, stop acting as if only things you personally find fun are fun. Literally proporting "badwrongfun" as a thing and treating it as an actual defence just makes you look autistic and, along with all this other stuff, shows you have the self-awareness of your average angsty middle-schooler
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>>66233001
I don't think so, personally. There's only one family of snipers that isn't Unwieldy last I checked, so they're alright to use. But otherwise, the others have no major advantages outside of absurd range.

For being an Operative, even the Exploits meant for snipers don't help much. You just can't Trick Attack with them.
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>>66233018
>I’d play a cute sniper if they were viable.
>Bodysuit Operative with a big gun and big "guns."
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How do I play an autistic gun nut with a dozen rifles in Starfinder?
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>>66233113
... How hard do you want to emphasize being an autistic gun nut? Because you can totally play a "Demolition Ranch" style SpaceTuber who lugs around a half-dozen firearms for live-fire exercises while live-streaming the action to their adoring fans.

Mechanically, this would be an Icon Soldier (Sharpshooter)
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>>66233135
>look into something thats a simple fucking joke.
>lol, I was pretending to be retarded
It's like a bingo board of shitposting with you
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>>66233144
Maximum autism. We're talking a 12 on a 10 point scale of autism. Tendies out the wazoo. A firm believer that the government (doesn't matter, pick one) is out to steal his chicken tenders, fully semi-automatic rifles, and believes firmly in ZAP CARRY.

AKA your average /k/ user.
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>>66231112
This gun needs a tripod to be truly efficient. Just saying
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>>66233038
How does trick attack work out as an operative? Ive been trying to get into it with my current character and its really hard to figure out an opportunity of when to trick attack beyond getting into flanking or catching them flat-footed.
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Anyone here ever use a Blade Boot?
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>>66233198
You're right, she's going to miss the fucking ground that she's clearly aiming at because the gun isn't currently in use. You totally nailed that one. Not autistic at all.
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>>66233170
>Average /k/ user
Good lord, you'll be wanting either of the Themes below for a true innawoods enthusiast, each focuses on survivalism and a healthy dose of paranoia.
https://www.starjammersrd.com/the-basics/character-themes/wild-warden/
https://thehiddentruth.info/player/themes/?page=Colonist
As for classes... That depends on how specialized you want this nutter to be, since the Operative works wonderfully as a general "Survival Man" while the Soldier excels at being really, really good at killing.
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>>66233170
Make them a huge fan of zombie apocalypse fiction, and constantly have them hoping for a planetary-scale apocalypse situation to happen so they have an excuse to kill as many 'raiders' as they can without social repercussions.
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>>66233202
The skill check you make for trick attack will make the target flat-footed before you make the actual attack itself. Though that flat-footed condition will only apply for the one trick attack, so your allies don't benefit.
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>>66233357
Yeah my only problem is making one attack. At low levels, its not a big deal but when you have 3-6 attacks at a much later point, is it really any good beyond full-rounding guys?
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>>66233374
Ah, I see what you mean now. Yeah, multi-attacking will eventually be better for damage, but debilitations will still give trick attack some uses as a way to debuff enemies.
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So if I'm an Eldritch Archer Magus, I get ranged spell combat
>Instead of a light or one-handed melee weapon, an eldritch archer must use a ranged weapon for spell combat. She doesn’t need a free hand for ranged spell combat. The eldritch archer cannot accept an attack penalty to gain a bonus on concentration checks to cast a spell defensively
It doesn't say the spell needs to be ranged, only that you don't need a free hand to use a ranged spell. I'm wondering, if I can get a familiar, and have it go over to an enemy, can I use ranged spell combat to deliver a touch spell through my familiar while I make a ranged attack at the same time?
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Is there any indication of Starfinder getting any meaningful new classes and archetypes in the near future?
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>>66234164
They're releasing three new classes with the Character Operations Manual (which will presumably include Archetypes too) and a developer for Starfinder stated they're trying to keep the number of classes "slim" for the system, which means I *really* doubt they'll be releasing anything new in the near future.
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>>66234216
Neat. When is Character Operations Manual coming?
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>>66234329
October 28th, 2019! If you want to know the classes they're releasing with COM, take a gander at these links (but take them with a grain of salt, since these were the classes as printed in the playtest, and Paizo has said things might/will be significantly altered as per feedback.)
https://www.starjammersrd.com/playtest-materials/vanguard/
https://www.starjammersrd.com/playtest-materials/witchwarper/
https://www.starjammersrd.com/playtest-materials/biohacker/
The COM also revealed shields, which should be great for Soldiers who want to become both the irresistible force *and* immovable object.
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Does anyone have a link to the big Pathfinder MEGA's? I am getting into my first PF game and there are few oddball books I need.
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>>66234476
Psst, hey anon...
/pfg/ Link Repository (Pathfinder): https://pastebin.com/YLikTing
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>>66234355
....there's not even shields in core starfinder?
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>>66234521
Oh no, I'm talking about *physical* shields, like the ones you'd carry. Riot shields and the sort. The core system does have personal energy shields.
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>>66233170

Theme Colonist, Race Human, Class Soldier, Specialty Sharpshoot

14 Str, 18 Dex, 11 Con, 10 Int, 10 Wis, 10 Cha

Only 4 skills you should be putting anything into are Engineering, Perception, Survival, Mysticism/Life Science (If you want Hunter /k/ or spoop /k/)

Null-space chambers are a must as early as possible to carry all your weapons.

You want (minimum) one example of each of the following Small Arms, Long Arms, or Heavy Weapons: Projectile, Fire, Cold, Electricity, Acid, Sonic.

Melee weapon should be the Survival Knife and that's it.
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>>66231465
Body aka martial arts
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>>66234488

Those don't have much in it. The old Pathfinder specific thread had a much more comprehensive mega
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>>66234937
NM, I only saw the mega at the bottom. I am a failed anon,
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>>66234536
>Oh no, I'm talking about *physical* shields, like the ones you'd carry.
So was I. That's hilarious.
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So how exactly does the SRD work? I'm noticing there is a lot that isn't available on d20pfsrd or aon, Villain Codex NPCs for example. Are there some kind of technicalities that make certain stuff not kosher from being hosted?
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>>66235110
Iirc the official SRD have a grace period during which everything nothing is uploaded followijg a release, and then it's updated like a Wiki, so it can take time.

On the PFSRD, the grace period is a month, but they also have to rename everything that belongs to any IP, because Paizo is fucking gay like that.
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Starting my players through Reign of Winter soon. Anything I need to know or change going in?
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How does the Starfarer's Companion match up with official material? The production value and art is ass, but it's the only source of Bards and proper Clerics (with domains, etc.) that I've come across.
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>>66235219
Starfarer's Companion clearly made 0 effort toward converting classes for Starfinder use.
Just use the fucking Pathfinder books, they're better than that shitpile.
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How would you make a barbarian type of character in Starfinder? If all else fails, I'm thinking krogan/klingon in class if not race.
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>>66235267
But then I have to convert shit myself. For whatever reason, Starfinder was not made compatible with Pathfinder.
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>>66235278
>For whatever reason, Starfinder was not made compatible with Pathfinder.

Because it's a new game with an entirely new back end/math expectations. They couldn't have maintained even the illusion of balance and kept things aligned with pathfinder.
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>>66235278
Let me put it this way, anon:
If all you do is adapt the class skill list for Starfinder, you have already done a better conversion job than the Starfarer's Companion did.
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>>66235299
Oof. Sad. I guess Starfinder is doomed despite its promise.

>>66235284
Eh. Disagree. Also, balance for the sake of balance is ass anyway.
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I've been binge watching Konosuba.

How do I Darkness in Pathfinder? I just want to be able to tank everything
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>>66235272
Probably some class that gets special combat stimulants as a class feature that they can attach into their armor for free for maximized drug abuse.
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>>66231112
How does the ruling of a cleric serving a minor God? Like if I am faithful to a duke of Hell, am I still in good graces with Asmodeus for unique summons?
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>>66235587
You worship one deity and gain benefits of that one deity. You don't get benefits from any other deity no matter how good the terms between you, your deity, and the other deity are.
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>>66235609
welp, fuck these little shits lol, papa asmodeus here I come
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>>66235587
>>66235609
In a world where there is undeniable herd proof presented to hundreds of thousands of people daily of the existence of gods, hard confirmation of an afterlife, and many other things, it makes no sense to only worship one god in the same way someone would follow just one religion in the real world. You may be a Cleric of one god, but still revere and respect the others. Perhaps your Cleric makes a round of prayers to gods who suit his alignment or beliefs daily, but strictly follows the edicts of one in particular for his magic.

From experience, my clerics usually worship two or three gods, and my non-divine adventurers usually respects one or two gods enough to do small supersticious things like small coin offerings at temples and so on. Even if you worship Calistria, Pharasma exists and theres no reason to deny that and spurn her, for example.
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>>66235587
>>66235617
You CAN be polytheistic, but you only get one deity for mechanical purposes, as >>66235609
said. It's perfectly valid to be an Asmodean while worshipping an Infernal Duke as well. Could be that your GM doesn't like it when you show up with your mechanical pick not being your main god, but RAW there is nothing stopping you.
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>>66235480
Invulnerable Rager, see if you can mix in one of the archetypes that let's you rage without raging like Urban Barbarian. I'd avoid Paladin, though Cavalier might have some potential. Point of order though, she doesn't tank everything, she just enjoys losing a fight. She has incredibly high saves (resisting that mask) but low AC (cabbages break her armor and hit her easily) and low enough HP (Konosuba beats her 1v1 while posing as her butler) so a total fuck-off-tank wouldn't exactly fit. Plus it's a character trait for basically a whole season that she can never hit ANYTHING with her sword, so all in all she's basically a horribly unoptimozed character who just out levels everyone else so it doesn't really matter.
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>>66235675
>>66235671
I mean, I don't want to break the game either picking whatever I want. I had already decided of getting the domains and weapon of the duke, but I have seen no rulings regarding sacred summons and I was planning to go herald caller, so if I can't get summons from that guy the most reasonable thing would be to get it from his boss, right?
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>>66235699
>A herald caller can use summon monster spells only to summon creatures particularly appropriate to her deity
"Particularly appropriate" is not "exactly from a specified and exclusive list", so you'll be fine. It means you cant summon Imps if you worship Iomedae.
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>>66235373
>Eh. Disagree. Also, balance for the sake of balance is ass anyway.

Yes but this is 'Balance for the sake of functional gameplay'. Like actually having math benchmarks for how various monsters at various levels should likely hit. It would have compromised everything interesting about Starfinder if you forced it to bear the weight of Pathfinder's issues too.
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>>66231227
She tsundere not chuuni you retard. If you're going to use words use them right.
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>>66235757
It at least tries to keep adding the content to the game though. This kind of stuff just takes time to balance. On the other hand its not obligated to be the sci-fi pathfinder you want. As a standalone system, it works perfectly fine.
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Is it ever worth not wearing the heaviest armor you can, in Starfinder?
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>>66236253
You give up a feat if youre not a martial but if you plan on constantly getting in combat I don't see why it's a bad idea.
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Are there any first party ways to get followers without a cohort?
I want my own bard troupe but don't want to involve myself in the broken mess that is the Leadership feat.
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>>66236356

You may be looking for Dynasty Founder. It is a little overpowered at lower levels, since you can have 1st-level followers at 3rd level.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/story-feats/dynasty-founder-story

It is a brutally effective feat when combined with the wizard (instructor).
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo-wizard-archetypes/instructor-wizard-archetype

If Spheres of Might is allowed, consider the Leadership sphere, with the followers package.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/195_lq-QST3LZ1h6X2adb6Y2h8Lnx7QFDWu4Qer_HqeM/edit#
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>>66235757
Eh, it would've been fine. Just because you make things compatible doesn't mean that they have to be intended for used together.
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>>66233078
Yeah, could be a fun character
Very classic, too
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>>66235110
AoN has a 2 week grace period because they want to, not because they need to.
D20pfsrd isn't allowed to post setting-specific info because they have a store and make money off all their shit
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>>66235158
nah, pfsrd has shit up basically the day it gets released
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>>66231465
poleaxe for battle
rapier (+ dagger) for everyday carry

if you ever fought with melee weapons, you quickly realize how important effective range is
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Does anyone have a copy of "Concordance of Rivals?" I did a decent look through the obvious places and haven't seen it.
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>>66236943
https://pastebin.com/zA5CEddV
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>>66236972
Thanks. :)
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I've been gamemastering pathfinder for 6 years now, while having only played 4 sessions myself - because no one else wants to GM and, to be honest, they are quite bad at it (I'm sure that would change with some practise though)

In any case - I've got a rare chance to play a campaign, but it's starfinder. I have zero experience with sci-fi tabletops although I love the genre in general.

I don't want to fuck this up.

What are your thoughts on playing an android exocortex mechanic?
how does that compare with a soldier or operative based on longarms?

I want a character that can deal decent damage with a rifle, while also being good at some skills and starship stuff. that's why the mechanic stood out to me. the exocortex seems to buff him up quite nicely into decent stat territory
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What would you consider conceptually mandatory spells to a cleric/priest type of character? Bless Water/Curse Water and Consecrate/Desecrate are obvious, but what else?

I'm working on a cleric conversion to Starfinder, and as domain-based spontaneous caster(s), I was thinking they'd always get a couple of thematically appropriate spells for for free,
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How can I lower ACP in pathfinder? I recall there being a couple ways, but the only that come to mind are masterwork armor, mithral armor, that one trait that reduces by 1, and the comfort enhancement.
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>>66237370
Some class features and that's about it.
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>>66237370
You hit most of the big ones. The only one you're missing I can think of off the top of my head is the Fighter's armor training.
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>>66233198
Nah, it's fine
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>>66237370
Steel bone frame and Nimble mod
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If you take a homonculus as a familiar, can you still add HD, construct modifications and homonculi upgrades to it?
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Is there a cavalier archetype that replaces the mount stuff for more banners and buffs? Thinking of crossing into it with my gunslinger and I don't really care for mounted combat.
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Do you guys give your players relevant to their build magic items as loot, or roll for it randomly?
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>>66233313

>Goes the Eos and trembles with delight at the various undead around them
>Realizes he can't shoot them without getting sued into (literal) oblivion

Good thing there are game shows that cater to this sort of thing.
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>>66238700
Those shows are illegal.
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>>66238678
If it's plot relevant and I want them to use it, I'll try and figure out what weapon types my players gravitate towards.
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>>66238678
Mostly random, relevant items when I think they'd need em or feel like they should get em.
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>>66238711
They’re legal on Eox!
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>>66238711
>>66238794

I think it was brought up in the last thread about a necrovite who hosts a dungeon reality/game show with himself as the final boss? It would make for a perfect one shot campaign (ore multiple campaigns) just to do silly shit or have something to do in between story archs.

I'm already imagining special themed dungeons like a mix of Resident evil Spencer Mansion but then just when you think you've reached the final room to turns into Castlevania and there is an upside down version of it with harder monsters and puzzles you still have to do as well.
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>>66235671
Cayden is my problematic fave
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>>66237233
Considering:
• Lvl 0: Bless/Curse Water (Curse working vs. Plants and Good Outsiders, maybe?)
• Lvl 1: Bless/Bane
• Lvl 2: Consecrate/Desecrate
• Lvl 3: Prayer
• Lvl 4: Reprobation.
• Lvl 5: Hallow/Unhallow.
• Lvl 6: Commune.
• Lvl 7: Arbitrament/Blasphemy/Dictum/Holy Word/Word of Chaos.
• Lvl 8: Cloak of Chaos/Counterbalancing Aura/Holy Aura/Shield of Law/Unholy Aura.
• Lvl 9: Divine Vessel.
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Is there a simple 1pp way to make the archery barbarian ( Primal Hunter - ranged tactics toolbox ) not suck?

Friend made an Aasimar primal hunter and is unhappy with the result.

Maybe just grab a greatsword and switch hitter barbarian instead i guess, opening in stealth if possible?

I made a Toxophilite ranger from the same book in another group and he's coming online now that he's level 11.(instant faved enemy)
The archetype gimmick of intercepting arrows sucks but only other useless crap got switched out.
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>>66239066
If the barb is hitting stuff just fine change back to an unarchetyped barb or give him a different one, normal rage is better than that garbage
Then he just has to get add adaptable to his bow
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>>66239066
archery sucks in general, class or archtype doesnt matter much

to make bows and arrows work one has to push the optimization pedal really hard. of course there are some ways - like zen archers - but in general you'll never get the same numbers as a straight forward greatsword barbarian

then again - the only "actually good" thing to play is a full spellcaster anyway, since spell levels 5 and up can basically solve any problem the GM can throw at you with a couple of spells
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>>66239360
>Archery Sucks in general

Archery is some of the most OP bullshit in Pathfinder. When you have all you gear maxed out with special arrows and feats that basically stack dammage onto what your doing, you parse out some absurdly high dammage on crits.
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>>66238711
>>66238794
This is the key thing, to the rest of the PW the shows from the Halls of the Living are an illegal pirate broadcast, but there's basically nothing they can do because what happens is legal on Eox.
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>>66239429
What if I rape Zo! on live television? Is that legal on Eox?
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>>66239448
Yes. Very yes.
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>>66231787
>Partisan/Jumonji
>Sadly, those aren't started out appropriately in Pathfinder.
Medium sized goblin horsechopper ez pz
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>>66239448
>rape Zo!
How strong do you think you are? Zo! is eternal, Zo! is immortal. You cannot fathom Zo!.
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>>66239448
The only hard rule in the Halls of the Living is that children are off-limits, and even then you could argue that's Paizo covering their ass because the implications are pretty monstrous otherwise. That said, they kind of work around this by saying any children born in the Halls of the Living are taken away to one of the few "living" cities the planet has left where they're raised by whatever parents or relatives they have (or wards of the state, if both parents are in the Halls of the Living.)

Also, Zo! Is a CR 12 encounter with what I'd assume are multiple bodyguards ready in the wing to rescue him. Even then, he's got an Electroencephalon, so any death is only temporary (remember, they're techno-liches, so they have techno-phylacteries.)
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>>66239572
Didn’t say I was gonna kill him. Just pin him down and take him on a trip to Poundtown, first class.

>>66239521
I’ll become strong enough by training on the strongest butts the Pact Worlds, Veskarium, and even the Swarm have to offer

>>66239468
Good to know.
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>>66239572
Even if they allowed children, the pact worlds would pretty much have not allowed their continued existance in the first place. It would more or less be a galactic scandal.
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>>66239615
>I’ll become strong enough by training on the strongest butts the Pact Worlds, Veskarium, and even the Swarm have to offer
Sounds like you've got a character concept for "Attack of the Swarm!"
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>>66239572
Basically, one of the big CYAs that Eox has is that the Halls of the Living are only inhabited by volunteers. And that any living on Eox can get a one-way ticket to Absalom any time they want.
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>>66239415
if you think spamming special arrows using rapid shot etc. is OP ... buddy, you're in for a rude awakening when that invulnurable rager barbarian goes full hulk rage with his furious vicious +X greatsword and moving half the map with his enhanced speed greater beasttotem pounce

ranged weapons are a meme when everyone level 10 up can either fly 100+ feet per turn or straight up teleport anyway
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>>66239615
Zo! transcends butts. He is beyond your comprehension of what a proper rump is.
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>>66239754
tfw a tricketer god intervenes and turns Zo! Into a cute anime lich girl.
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>>66235480
Play a Warder
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>>66239799
Sounds like something Weydan would do.
Halls of the Living memegame when.
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>>66239799
>>66239820
WHEN
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How do I turn a Soldier into a full-on templar kind of archetype in Starfinder? I want to get my paladin on and shoot shit in the name of Trudd. It doesn't have to be Soldier, but I can't imagine that anything else even comes close to a Paladin in Starfinder, it seems.
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I am tinkering with a character idea, I kind of wanted them to be a magic-user/martial mix but I am a bit torn a bit on Kensai/Bladebound going with the idea that they inherited an intelligent sword and got their powers from there(which I will restrict for theme purposes) but the other idea has me throwing this away and have them use a quarterstaff as maybe a Staff Magus to emphasize on the idea that strength comes from the user and who they are, not the sword or artifact or anything

For some reason it kind of feels like the first idea feels less appealing to me in general but I am not sure why, but I am still kind of torn between these two
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>>66240793

Arcane assailant fighting style. There's also a feat that gives you some spells as well that you can fluff as divine because spells arn't hardcoded as divine/arcane/psionic or anything
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I homebrewed an Owlcat improved familiar out of boredom.
In case anyone cares, here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bTlER1-9b98dupB9IHVMCXGEOMLan70ryh4Z78Ij2lM/edit
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>>66241007
>>66240793
Adding onto this, you’ll want the “Priest” theme to both acquire Mysticism and an official writ as being part of some religion’s holy order (it’s worth noting here, that the religions most active in holy war are Sarenrae, Iomedae, and Hylax.)
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>>66241007
>Arcane Assailant
>Eldritch Knight
>Magi
>Archmagi
Nah, this really doesn't have the right feel to it at all, and there's nothing like Smite, Auras, or Lay on Hands or anything.
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>>66241019
That's real fucking neato, great job.
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>>66241132
Here you go, the Archetype of Paladins, Templar and other divine warriors: https://thehiddentruth.info/player/class/archetype/?page=DivineChampion
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>>66241019
>that owlcat image
N'awww. I must say, as much as I enjoyed PF:K, I absolutely loved the idea of the Owlcat itself. There should've been an official one, before Paizo killed Pathfinder.

If I ever get to play Pathfinder proper, I'm going to get myself a fucking owlcat, now.
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>>66241200
I.. I guess I'll just try to convert the Paladin when I get some time to spare.
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RagePounce Barbarian/Alchemist and archers > Other natural attack pouncers > Two handed weapon only >>>>> everything else
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>>66241019
Cool. I wish there was something like the D&DWiki homebrew section but for Pathfinder/Starfinder where you could stick this for accessibility.

The D&DWiki homebrew section may be trash but I still like to stick my own 3.5 stuff there.
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>>66241376
Whats wrong with Divine Champion? It literally gives you everything you would want as a Paladin.

I swear all these Pathfinder fags keep trying to taint starfinder with their bullshit.
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>You can have a character with a big fat 0 as their max hp at level 1
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>>66241413
What fun things can one do with the alchemist that aren’t stacking massive amounts of natural attacks?
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>>66241492
bomberman
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>>66241492
Stacking massive amounts of BOMBS!
Really there's plenty of stuff you can do like being a druggy cleric(Sacrament+Wasteland Blightbreaker) or construct crafting
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>>66241486
In what world?
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>>66241533
https://aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Troth%20of%20the%20Forgotten%20Pharaoh
And a -3 from Con on a d6 class
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>>66241153
>>66241202
>>66241416
I added a non-improved familiar version of the owlcat below on the google doc.
It's around the power level of the average animal familiar, maybe a tiny bit stronger, to balance that the skill bonus is very specific and restricted.
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When do you start falling in pathfinder? Using spheres, and I'm wondering if with pouncing teleport from warp sphere I could teleport to a flying foe, hit it, then use scale foe from the athletics sphere to climb onto it and ride it further.
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>>66233144

"Subscribe to Pewdiepie"
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>>66241482
>What's wrong with Divine Champion
There's nothing *wrong* with Divine Champion in itself, but it doesn't give me anything I'd want, and it just tacks on the Mystic's Connection thing, which conceptually really doesn't click for me; you can't even take "Healer" without ending up with Life Steal (as Mystic, at least).
>I swear all these Pathfinder fags keep trying to taint starfinder with their bullshit.
I'm sorry that Starfinder just as a bunch of boring-ass trite bullshit that straight-jackets things for absolutely no fucking reason, and I apologize for trying to come up with creative ways to work around it retard.

I don't think I can think of anything more pathetic than mechanically enforced conceptual purism when it comes to something like science-fantasy, especially in a setting that canonically has all the pieces for the concepts people want to play. There's no inherent reason not to have, say, Smite or Lay on Hands or Auras, or Rage for that matter in case you want to be a Barbarian, or magical keytar tunes as the previously discussed Bard.

But as it is, Starfinder just doesn't, and there's no reason to shit on people for trying to work shit out, and especially not out of some misguided sense of brand loyalty. I'm sorry, but Starfinder isn't infallible just because you're sucking its cock.
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>>66241007
I've been playing an AA Soldier from 1-15 now. The only decent thing its really done in our campaign is let me set up my main ranged (and later Melee too) weapon with Ghost-Killer. Blitz in the Secondary style has had more useful general effect so far.
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>>66241751
Awesome, I love having the option for long-term pets.
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>>66241920
>It doesn't do things the way I want it to waaaahhhh!
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>>66241920
I dont have a probelem with people working diffrent concepts in. Ive got a problem in people trying to force a class or setup thats overpowered or a broke ass piece of shit.

In a game that encourages teamwork, balance is important. If your trying to bring in broken pathfinder shit then your a piece of shit for doing that and should go pack to playing PF.

For the record, even I play Pathfinder regularly and thats shit is broke. It has no place in a setting thats worked the balance out perfectly.
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>>66233198
She's a robot so it's probably fine
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>>66242035
>implying conceptual diversity and mechanical verisimilitude is "waah it doesn't work the way I want it to".
No, you whiny little pissbaby, the problem is that I can't do the shit I want to do, conceptually, for no good fucking reason, and basic bitches like you throw a fit if someone points it out and want to homebrew something, because apparently the Starfinder fanbase is so sensitive to criticism that even implying that things can be improved upon is seen as some kind of insult. It says a lot that you're so fucking defensive about the whole thing, whereas similar things in almost any major system is met with "Oh that's cool anon, here's some ideas".

>>66242035
>Ive got a problem in people trying to force a class or setup thats overpowere
Good thing nobody is trying to do that, other than in the imagination of moobed manchildren.
>balance is important
It's really not, especially in a game that encourages teamwork and cooperation, as long as everyone can contribute meaningfully, which is practically always the case unless you're actively trying to be useless or playing with particularly cancerous people and/or horrible gamemaster(s).
>go pack to playing PF
No. Different setting, different rules, different appeal. There's nothing you can do to stop me from playing a bear space-paladin that pursues cosmic evil, save bitch about badwrongfun.
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>>66242279
Your the cancer of whats wrong with conceptual players. Eat shit and die faggot.
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Is perception or will saves more important? I dont want to get surprised, but I also dont wanna get CCed to death.
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>>66242351
Both are pretty important. As long as your guy with the highest perception is at the front of the party then your fine normally.
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>>66242279
I bet your Space Bear Paladin is a chosen one gary stue too, you fucking cuck. Crawl back to the hole you came from. Nobody wants to play with your special snowflake bullshit.
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>>66242035
>worked the balance out perfectly.
I think it is both hilarious and sad that you think that Starfinder is perfectly balanced lmao. It's going to be extra hilarious when Starfinder starts getting meaningful amounts of options. You're going to be one of those "I only play Core" people, aren't you?
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>>66242279
>There's nothing you can do to stop me from playing a bear space-paladin that pursues cosmic evil, save bitch about badwrongfun.
That sounds totally doable with Solarian or Soldier and the Priest theme. Just grab some Fusions to emphasize their holiness later on (and can even be character development as the Paladin is further entrusted with carrying their god’s will across the stars, like how Space Marines get purity seals.) There are many ways to satisfy the concept of a holy warrior in Starfinder - heck, the Knights of Iomedae are a significant organization in the setting! Literal space knights!
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>>66242391
Nope, just a bearadin. I don't need to snowflake characters in the same way you feel the need to snowflake the systems you get defensive over, pissbaby.
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>>66242417
This is largely assuming that these options will be clearly stronger over the others that exist. Ive got faith in the idea that Starfinder devs dont fuck it up.
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>>66241920
If you want that stuff, it'd have to be really nerfed to keep pace with the game. There's very few ways to boost to-hit. Damage is incredibly dependent on gear, which is also the reason we likely won't see fullcasters. We already have hp and stamina out the ass, with few ways to restore health but a simple rest for stamina.

Basically, unless you want to be OP, stuff you want would have to be minor and non/slow-scaling.
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>>66242369
>>66242369
Our perception guy is a gunslinger likely at the back of the party. I'm a half elf deciding on Adaptability Perception, Eye for Betrayal, or Dual Minded. Isnt the rules such that Surprise Round is everyone for themselves? One person can be surprised even if the rest arent or vice versa.

>Sometimes all the combatants on a side are aware of their opponents, sometimes none are, and sometimes only some of them are. Sometimes a few combatants on each side are aware and the other combatants on each side are unaware.
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>>66242311
>conceptual players
What does that even mean, faggot desu.

>>66242419
But the Solarian concept is extremely tied to the mechanics and the setting, and I'm not a fan of how it works and its sun/black hole/photon/graviton dichotomy, he's not a Priest, and Iomedae is pretty gay.
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>>66232754
For it not to be here. This isn't an image thread, or the 3d containment board. Don't post shit you made yourself.

>>66232777
3d is garbage, it isn't """art""". It's the lowest medium of visual representation, made by losers who can't draw or work a camera. >>66232989 gets it. It's garbage.
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>>66242489
>clearly stronger
It doesn't have to be "clearly" stronger, as was seldom the case with 3.5/PF content. It is the nature of increased content to allow for more options which can be levied towards achieving increasingly unbalanced things.
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>>66242606
Which ultimately creates power tiers, ruining the system by basically creating the idea that players should play in certian ways because they are the strongest. Pathfinder has that and its admittedly the biggest failing of the whole system. Even the devs said some classes like Bloodrager, Skald and Arcanist shouldn't exist because of the tier they sit on over every other class.
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>>66242586
>3d is garbage, it isn't """art""". It's the lowest medium of visual representation, made by losers who can't draw or work a camera.
>It's not art because I say it isn't hurr!!
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>>66242586
That's a long gap between replies. What's wrong, your tard-wrangler only let you online twice a day?
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>>66242663
>Bloodrager, Skald, and Arcanist shouldn't exist
I mean, they shouldn't only on account that 2 of those three should just be folded into their base class, and the third only shouldn't exist because that's how "prepared spellcasting" should function in general, because individual-slot-casting is almost as big a pile of cancerous trash as the actual spells made to go in those slots.
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>>66242726
My point still stands on the fact that creating power tiers for classes its bad for any system in generally. Once you create a meta for pen and paper games, its over. The creativitiy just goes out the window because most people are going to flock to whats superior in the meta rather than create unique and interesting characters that dont apply to the meta mechanically.
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>>66242518
This, this right here are actual helpful pointers on what to keep in mind. But yes, that's pretty much where the whole conversion aspect comes in. Paladin should be a relatively beneign thing to convert, I think. And all we need for a good barbarian-inspired character seems to be a Fighting Style for the Soldier and maybe an Archetype.

Cleric is going to be harder, mostly because there aren't any other full casters. I was going to take a crack at some kind of bard, too, but it just feels like it'd be a lot of work trying to come up with relevant character options, I might just try to salvage the Starfarer Bard, but first I must wrap my head around what is so bad about it (I've one skimmed it, so far).
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>>66242799
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that this game is goddamn moronic, and the devs are just as retarded, if not moreso
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>>66241830
“This is for you, Sepia Sen...”

*raises plasma rifle*
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>>66242663
I love the Bloodrager, but yes, that's exactly what I mean. The most retarded thing ever was to give the bloodrager access to regular rage powers, though. If the GM allows it, there's practically no reason for Barbarian to even exist, which is bullshit.

But when push comes to shove, I still prefer the option of the bloodrager to be there, and I think the game is richer for it. Fretting over minor issues, especially when they tend to be theoretical more than anything else, leads to neurotic game development that results in autismal nofunallowedism.
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>>66242935
>leads to Starfinder
Ftfy
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>>66242586
You're pretty embarassing
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>>66242929
Nah, Sen’s more of a Minxy; girl you watch because she’s showing off her cleavage, not because she’s based and/or redpilled.
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>>66242935
I think that the Core and Base classes are all Pathfinder really needs to functions. If thats not enough, there is always spheres of power and stuff. The idea that more = better is complete bullshit. It just creates this idea that there should be more and more to each character in every iteration. It creates bloat but loads the system with too many options or choices to function properly. Less is just better sometimes.
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>>66242586
It's not mine, but I wouldn't have gone out of my way to find it and post it if you weren't a fucking spaz last thread when someone said they saw fan-art. I don't even know if this is the right image.

No-one would care if you didn't say anything. I guess that makes you the shill.
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>>66231112
So I've been going through the rules, looking at feats and class abilities that let you use one resource pool with another. So far I've found
Stamina to Grit/Panache(Luck)
Stamina to Rage
Ki to Smite
Ki to Lay on Hands
Ki to Arcana
Arcana to Panache(Grit/Luck)
Arcana to Arcane Reservoir
This is just looking through Paizo's material, no third parties. From what I've been able to deduce: 1 Smite/Lay on Hands = 2 Ki = 2 Arcana = 2 Grit/Panache/Luck = 10 Stamina = 5 rounds of Rage.

Don't know if there's any sort of viable build that could be based off of this information. Anyone know any other X to Y resource pool cheese?
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>>66243032
Oh, yes, sure, it can *function*. I didn't mean to say that more is *automatically* better. I just really like the bloodrager, and I'm a sucker for bloodlines and the like. An arcane/spellscarred/etc barbarian type deal with bloodline choices that are expressed meaningfully is so far up my alley I'd designate it as my one gay exception.

Fuuuuck now I want bloodlines for Starfinder.
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>>66243032
Just because you're right, doesn't mean you're correct, you know
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>>66243243
There's a Channel Focus called the Bronze Gong. Channel Foci are powered by expending a use of Channel Energy into them, and the Gong will give you 1 Ki back for it.

https://aonprd.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Bronze%20gong

Ki Channel will allow you to use Channel Energy to restore a number of Ki points equal to the dice normally rolled to heal.

https://aonprd.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Ki%20Channel
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anything in starfinder that lets me lift like a motherfucker? somehting like anthaul or muleback cords? I want to be able to lift tons if possible
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>>66243454
Power Armor
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>>66243454
Load Lifter raises the amount of Bulk you can carry by 3, and the 6th level ability of the "Mercenary" theme gives you +1 Strength for determining Bulk, and
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>>66235587
The correct answer is: ask your GM.

I've actually run into this myself. My rational is that, fluff wise, Asmodeus is smart and legalistic. He likes his hierarchies and control. The devil's set up the system in Hell such that he owns his underlings and all that they own as well. Thus, if an Archdevil, Whore Queen, Infernal Duke or any lesser devil starts accumulating power by accumulating followers and souls, that power is fed up the chain of command. I.E. no matter how many souls an Archdevil collects, they can never challenge Asmodeous because he has claim to all of that devil's souls, plus the souls of all other devils, plus the ones pledged directly to himself.

As far as mechanics go, I say that it does still count for pretty much all class abilities, spells, and feats except when they specifically call out a difference between the man at the top and his underlings.
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>>66243063
>someone said they saw fan-art.
Yeah, that was me. It was a drawing of the sword though, not that model. Didn't think someone would shit themselves like this over a throwaway comment.
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>>66242799
>Once you create a meta for pen and paper games, its over.
You're 30 years too late on that
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>>66243454
>>66243474
+10 (30/31) is the highest strength mod you'll get, though. But it is a great option for a class where you've dumped str and are using your Armor's strength rating instead.

That puts encumbered at 15 and overburdened at 31 with the strongest armor. Which also happens to be size Gargantuan.
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>>66243017
>not massacring hundreds to prove your devotion to Sepia Sen
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>>66242975
Adding classes to a system is the quickest way to bust said system's balance, eventually you're going to release [Base_Class+1] or something that becomes the new meta due to how the class interacts with other classes or the ability of an otherwise overlooked race.
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>>66243901
To be fair, the core game of Pathfinder was so broken that new classes wouldn't actually make it any worse a game. "Base class+1" in a new class loses the impact when your core rulebook already had Fighter and Barbarian, Rogue and Bard, and Sorcerer and Wizard contained in the same book
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>>66243951
Yes, Core Pathfinder was broken, but Core Starfinder is not. You can argue that the Operative is overtuned or the Envoy is underwhelming, but when you put the classes beside each other it becomes a game of inches, of +1s and +2s where the differences are so minute as to be effectively irrelevant. Adding new classes into a system like this is very dangerous because it can tip the balance towards one class or another; Starfinder does not have the Angel Summoner vs. BMX Bandit, but it *can.*
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>>66243338
Don't forget the Tea! It effectively becomes an infinite with Ki Channel provided you're an oracle or something that can get ki and Channel
https://aonprd.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Tea%20of%20transference
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>>66244174
>you're an oracle or something
I've heard Champion of Irori is popular to use with it
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>>66244167
The statement was entirely about Pathfinder, and was made while forgetting that this is a blender of 6+ people on this particular topic. As a self contained System Starfinder's solid, and I'm glad they're at least appearing to be curating player options more carefully, barring the sheer volume of races they're shitting out. It feels like two different beasts in the end, as Starfinder actually has something that could get broken, rather than already being a pile of busted up clay pots from the start.
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They should've made 2e to just be fantasy Starfinder.
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>>66244245
Well, you'll already be worshipping irori for ki channel and infinite more versatile smite evil sounds nice so I can see why. Tengu life oracles seem more efficient since they need to drink less tea thanks to bigger channel dice and having infinite spells of up to 7th level sounds sweet.
Dwarves also has an ART that gives them 1 ki point if you want to plug in a non-infinite variant on anything that has a channel pool like a cleric
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How do I make a comfy traveller type build and not just a murder machine with bells and whistles on them?
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We have a min/maxer in our group and he rolled well so hes built to do almost literally everything outside of combat. Hes got an answer for everything or can roll so high with how he's built that there's little we others have to do to the point that no one even bothers anymore and its just not fun. Should I remake my character for pure combat and just leave shit as it is or should I start actively trying to get this other character killed so we can finally have some fun?

I came to this realization once we played a for-fun campaign where we got temporarily body swapped by accident involving attempted teleportation and suddenly he couldn't cheese every single bit of the games and they were the most fun we've had in a long while.
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>>66244810
Internalize the fact that character =/= build a bit more anon, you're almost there! Alternatively just make a character with a decent amount of skills like a bard or investigator, learn to cook a good meal out in the woods and have fun
>>66245613
Talk to group about kicking him, but don't be a passive aggressive shitstain if you can
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>>66245613
Kick the minmaxer. Or actively plan to kill his PC with the other PC's. Ive had GMs that allowed this sort of shenanigans and we basically got to oust whoever built a paladin by murdering them.
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top 5 pathfinder waifus?
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>>66245880
Number one: Ragathiels Mom
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14 Con, 16 Cha or vice versa for a Paladin?
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>>66245893
Cha = Str > Con > The rest
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>>66245977
What if it's a Paladin gestalted with Bloodrager?
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>>66238059
No, it gains the familiar progression instead
>>66238585
Take levels in samurai instead
>>66241413
Vital strike cheese > everything else including a real game since no GM will ever let you get away with it
>>66246011
Same answer except swap STR with CON
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>>66231465
severed limbs
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Just how overused is Kensai/Bladebound anyway? Is it even good or good flavor?
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>>66245889
god I want to fuck Feronia so bad
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>>66245880
Number one should be Ameiko, since she's both cute *and* officially waifu material.
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>>66246450
She wouldnt make it onto the leaderboard. Shes a shitty self-insert character one of the paizo devs played. (Plus shes not even attractive)
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>>66246470
>shitty self-insert character one of the paizo devs played
Could probably knock a few characters off of the list with that criteria. Like Shensen. I thought my dm was making shit up when he was describing her.
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>>66246161
Kind of overused, and for a reason. It's good, but the flavor of a Black Blade pushes it towards edginess.

The only other archetype combo that I think is as overused would be Beastmorph/Vivisectionist Alchemist.
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>>66246544
I think the general rule for picking waifus is that they cant be PC's, DMPC's or Paizo PC's.

This leaves a handful of NPC's and Demigods to pick from for waifuism. Feronia is around #2/3. Competing for Calistria for the spot.
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>>66246591
I WANNA FUCK GRETA
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>>66246610
>GRETA
If she didnt have the ball chin, I would say you were based Anon.
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>>66246591
>boning the slut goddess of trickery
yeah no thanks I'll leave the condom on
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>>66246659
Then what are your standards of waifuism. Is sexy not part of that?
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>>66246591
Calistria doesn't even rate. Urgathoa is way sexier and way more fun.
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>>66246563
Barbarian, bard and especially rogue all have archetypes used more than that combo. Hell, Grenadier gets used more. Vivy beastmorph isn't actually used often in play, let alone going the full way with skinwalkers and all that jazz, it's mostly just theorycrafting
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>>66246693
If she had a bottom half, maybe, but she doesnt. Lamashtu would place higher before her.
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>>66246744
Lamashtu is trash and is not fun.
Urgathoa parties hard. Lamashtu just rapes and violates bodies and minds.
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>>66246816
>Lamashtu just rapes and violates bodies and minds.
More for me!
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>>66246816
Yeah but you cant fuck a half-corpse. So shes off the list simply for being unfuckable.
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>>66246838
It's called a blowjob, dumbass
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>>66246838
>>66246851
Also the half-corpse is only when she's on duty, when the going gets fun her naughty bits come back to play.
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>>66246838
>he doesn't want to rub his cock against her bloody, bony pelvis

I didn't know they let gays on this board
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>>66246851
Blowjobs arent fun if you cant go the whole stretch.
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>>66246688
Calistria is a pump-and-dump and pray to any other god that you don't get roped into some scheme
Not at all wife material!
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>>66246816
>>66246837
I want to get violated by Lamashtu's bestial offspring!
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>>66246907
With their stupidly enormous dicks?
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>>66246891
So in other words your argument is

>She cant be waifu material because I say so.

Plus its a sign of a man to help a lady after she lets him bone her.
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>>66246907
>>66246936
I want to make another of Lamashtu's bestial offspring with anon!
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The ideal waifu is obviously The PC you marry in Kingmaker, as they're aligned with your mutual goals and have the mans to settle in and start having children!
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>>66246983
>PC
>singular

Pretty sure if you make the laws, you can just marry your entire party, anon
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>>66246993
That's not Justice!
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>>66246999
How do you figure, Chaotic Good Satan?
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>>66246983
>>66246993
PC's cant be waifus. Those are the rules we established.
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>>66246983
>>66246993
>tfw no Kingmaker harem memegame
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>>66247008
It's not righteous to marry more than one PC, the gods had built us to only thoroughly enjoy the love and affection of one!
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>>66245880
The only good waifu I've found so far has been an NPC that's probably not going to be in the running from my GM, because she's very obviously meant to be complete cannon fodder, with barely a paragraph of actual text dedicated solely to her instead of what she's for to other NPCs. Also she's a Core Rogue 6 halfling
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>>66231222
God that would fucking suck. I hate earth being in the universe or even a dimension over. You are a disgrace
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>>66247024
Now here's a question for the ages.

Would the thread rather have another Pathfinder memegame, or a Starfinder memegame?
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>>66247077
sounds like there's more Starfinder ideas floating around
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>>66247040
If the gods built us to marry only one PC, why do we desire so many?
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>>66247077
Starfinder, but it's close, I'd like a new memegame of either kind
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>>66247193
Because you're weak! You've been corrupted by the lusts of the dark ones!
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>>66247012
PCs make the best waifus.
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>>66247225
Its an unfair advantage in an objective game. The only way to make the listings fair is to basically limit to anything thats not a PC.
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>>66247208
If this is corruption, then call me a demon, baby, because I'm loving it
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>>66247242
Then in that case, the ideal waifu is unironically Greta.

Not only is she a well-built character with an open-ended character arc, but she's the initiator of the relationship and thus lifts much of the impetus from the typically socially awkward nerd trying to roleplay hooking up with a honey.
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>>66247225
PC’s need to make more of the best his husbandos!
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>>66247285
best husbandos*
too many waifu PC’s!
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>>66247285
>>66247295
>tfw ywn fuck a cute husbando
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>>66247304
>>66247295
Do cute husbandos even exist in Pathfinder?
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>>66247328
They do when you make one!
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>>66247342
I've already made some!
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>>66244446
Yes, they should have. But the people who are making 2E are not the smart ones who actually want to make a fun game. They are the moneygrubbing ones that want to coast on the success of 1E and make a shitty clone of D&D that isn't enough 1E to make it worth buying into for 1E players, nor is it enough of whichever D&D you think it most resembles to hook the players of those games, either.

Instead, it'll be a trash fire that does well ONLY on the strength of the Pathfinder name, and not because it'll actually be good or interesting.

I can only hope SF sells well enough to be around for a long time. I'm having fun with what little I've played so far.
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>>66247328
I’ve seen a few good ones
A few good men
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>>66247389
>I’ve seen a few good ones
Name them!
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>>66247565
Etan__
Doug____
Sam O.
(you)
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>>66247680
>tfw you're not in the list
FUCK
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>>66247024
>tfw no Kingmaker reverse harem game where you're inserted as the protagonist's rival who was exiled from her country after her fiancee ditched you for the protag and now you're out to build your own kingdom with the intent of bringing down your old Homeland
Suffering.
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>>66247680
I see only one awoo when there needs to be two
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>>66247565
Corwin
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>>66247861
Friendly reminder that the king of Brevoy is single, whose bachelorhood is due entirely to his sister jealously keeping him from marrying any and all suitors. Maybe your character got shackled into slaying the Stag Lord because they got too close to sealing the deal!
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>>66247328
I try to make husbando characters to balance out the inevitable flood of waifus.
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>>66247917
For what, Pathfinder or Starfinder? Because from all the talk around here it seems like Starfinder memegames are going to have a serious lack of husbando.
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>>66247948
Starfinder lacks any memorable characters right now. That should change with more releases.
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>>66247680
I only needed to see the first one to know you're full of shit
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>>66248142
Bullshit, everybody knows Etan is a stone cold fox.
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>>66248199
Oh yeah? How do you explain this behavior from our "Sandpoint Glassmaker."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSp2I0ObdW4
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>>66247948
Pathfinder because I don't really like scifi
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>>66248224
That's just Rory shapeshifted into Etan. It explains the windowlicking perfectly.
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>>66247565
Kyras-sama~
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>>66247764
You might be on my list, big boy...
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>>66248774
Oh yeah? Then you better PM ME.
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>>66243901
Yeah, that is a distinct possibility, but to be fair, Starfinder generally has a lot of flexibility within each class, and releasing new package options is analogous to releasing a new "class". It doesn't matter what you call it, the issue of getting [Base_Option+1] is about the same.

>>66243951
>the core game of Pathfinder was so broken
It's really not, in any relevant fashion, but
>had Fighter and Barbarian, Rogue and Bard, and Sorcerer and Wizard
Aside from Barbarian not being a type of Fighter, all of those had very legitimate differences that lend itself to very different kinds of characters, mechanically. I'd perhaps consider folding a spell-less Bard into Rogue with some kind of extensive Archetype, I suppose.
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Somebody should run a game where every PC is required to have the Collective psionic ability. It'd be great.
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>>66248004
It doesn't lack memorable characters. I don't think anyone is going to forget that one iconic, whatsherface, the envoy. Because she's a horrible mary sue. Everyone else is utterly forgettable.

>>66248418
Starfinder is'nt sci-fi.
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>>66248874
Why?
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new thread
>>66248892
>>66248892
>>66248892
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>>66248418
I like sci-fi but I don't like starfinder. My group switches to GURPS when we wanna kick it in space.



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