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Dead General

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What the fuck was that?
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>can't even be bothered to bump a thread in the timeframe of three hours
My threads are cursed.
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>>66217434
Here's one for the road anon.
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Started working on the Free Company of Dubsburg, Ostermark
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Reminder that skaven science is the best science.
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>>66218803
Don't they steal just about everything from dwarves and humans?
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>>66217345
who would hang a skeleton, what crimes whould he have committed?
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Anyone know recasters with oop FW stuff for WHF?
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>>66218872
Milk theft
Unauthorised bone rattling
Bone picking
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>>66217345
Was 8th edition truly the beginning of the end?

I have two venom crawlers from 40k that I was to convert into abominations, is it worth the effort now that the games dead?
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>>66219233
People will always play 28mm fantasy mass battle systems, especially whfb. But always also consider building for t9a and KoW. Also /awg/ check for the fotm fantasy mass skirmish. SAGA: Age of Magic is the hottest shit these days.
In general a mini that can be used in whfb can almost always be used in mist other systems, because most are at least semi designed to be played with whfb models.
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>>66218872
Indecent exposure
Tax avoidance upon death
Scamming life insurance providers
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>>66219233
Look around, there'll probably be KoW, 6e or Oldhammer players around, depending on where you live
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>>66219233
7th edition was the beginning of the end.
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>>66218872
Insubordination
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What was your guys' first miniatures?
I love the painting side of things, and I've been in and out of the hobby for years. Now I'm starting just about everything from scratch and I'm paralyzed by indecisiveness.
I just kind of want to paint creatures and beasts. Is that weird?
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>>66221397
I think a box of ork boyz, remember I traded in the five Llorwyn planeswalkers who were new at the time for them.
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>>66221397
The Heroquest/Warhammer Quest (can't remember which) monopose chaos warriors with the big axes. They used to sell them in a set of 5 along with some small paint pots and a brush for noob painters.
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>>66221397
Island of blood set.
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>>66221397
My first was a skaven assassin I purchased for use with a custom character in hero quest.
Literally never did anything of value in fantasy though, through 6th, 7th and 8th he never killed a single character.

>>66219925
My group kinda fell apart, nearest flgs went out of business, GW manager set up small as fuck tables in the store to prevent us from playing there, etc

>>66219829
>indecent exposure
lewd.
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20 replies and page 8 already. damn maybe we should let this die for a week or so, let people recharge their batteries and forget that over half of every thread is just faction and edition wars while everything else barely gets a response. actually on second thought maybe we should just let the general die forever.
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>>66222784
>maybe we should just let the general die forever
How suspect an idea.
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>>66222857
this thread basically exists to bitch at this point. original content? ignored. talking about all the new fan editions? flamed. your dudes? usually ignored. setting up something like the mordheim league? hah, never going to happen. all this thread is for anymore is to bitch, bitch, bitch over and over again. waah its carnac. waaah its chaos rager. waah I hated eigth, waah I think third is overrated, waah gw shit the bed and on and on it goes.
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>>66217345
What kind of relation have Lahmian Vampire and Chaos Warriors (not the bands of big armored Warrior of Chaos from the north but more especially the Norscan kingdoms / Kurgans tribes / Hung hordes) ?

Can Neferata send some of her "daughters" pretend to be priestress / shaman/ medecine-woman / favourite-concubine or whatever position they can use to gain some influence on those human (like she do in Bretonnia / Empire or Kislev) ?

I don't remember having never read something about that in army books ?
(maybe in the Fantasy Roleplay?)
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>>66223383
Vampires in general fucking hate chaos so I don't see her trying to set up a control network in a land of no government and people killing each other.
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>>66223383
In non-cuckolded lore, >>66223405 is right - vampires consider Chaos anathema. Theoretically Neffy could send a daughter to infiltrate a Norscan community as a holy woman or a "prize" brought back by a warlord, but it would be dangerous. Chaos cultures have priests of their own who could hurt vulnerable vamps, the sun stays up half the year, daemons with cheaty knowledge are on speed-dial, and the blood of the locals is tainted. (The effect the last has is ambiguous. Ulrika feeds on a heavily-mutated Chaos warrior and is nauseated by the blood, but a group of Blood Dragons in one army book or another headed north into the wastes deliberately to seek out one of the eternity battles there, and they explicitly fed on the locals to zero ill effect).

While it would potentially be useful to have agents in these cultures to turn them on one another or stymie promising warriors early, you have to keep in mind too that Lahmians are not just mindless drones by vampires; proud, independent, ever-hungry, egotistical. They might just fuck off and desert if sent to live in a sty with chimp-tier Norscans.
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>>66223405
To direct where they must attack and don't attack.
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>>66221397
I got one of those small boxes of five skeleton spearmen. Technically it was my first non-secondhand...

No, wait, I just remembered. Long time back I liked dwarves because of some videogame. Ended up getting a musician, champion and standard bearer at a gamestore that sold those back in that day. Never had any intention of painting them up, and they're still sitting around to this day. Poor standard bearer's standard broke though.
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>>66217776

Really nice anon, nothing beats a themed force and you always bump this fcking thread for the better.

Those are a mix between GW (greatswords head?) and Frostgrave, right?
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>>66222933
To be fair, you could point out the same for the 40k general, presumably AoS...it's 4chan, man. It's far easier to bitch, whether your hobby is brand new or old as balls.
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>>66222933
/wfg/ has it's ups and downs like everything else. It's going through a relatively quiet period right now but that's not anything new. We always bounce back, just a few months ago we were one of the most active threads on the board; and a few months before that - one of the quietest. /wfg/ is not dying out anytime soon.
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>>66224363
>It's going through a relatively quiet period right now
Which surprises me, the rpg got some new material. Just started playing.
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>>66224116
>In non-cuckolded lore
Source?
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>>66221397
I wouldn't be here if I didn't stumble on this paint set. You got loads of paint, easy instructions and 8(!) goblins to practice on. I think this was easily one of GWs best ideas, it's sad they jewed out so much and nowadays paint sets have less paint and 3 pitiful Stormcasts.
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>>66224211
No, the heads are from warlord landsknetchs.
Thanks for the nice things

>>66221397
The starter set of the 6th edition, empire side.
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>>66224695
Look how comfy that box looks too. I love the old WHFB boxes. The new white ones are completely devoid of character and soul.

>>66221397
My first were the Orcs from the 6th Ed. starter set.
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>>66224770
>find one of these for $80 on Ebay
>bid to $100
>literally sniped at the last fucking second by like a dollar
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>>66223383
Chaos gods hate vampires because they subvert power from them and contest over souls.
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>>66224926
Empire gods also hate vampire that does not stop Neferata to try to do stuff in the Empire.
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>>66225096
You know that Chaos Gods have more power in Wastes and Norsca than human gods in Empire.
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>>66224873
I think theirs bots or sites or something to help keep that sort of thing from happening.
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>>66219969

7th started out okay, till they shat the bed with terrible army lists and beginning to pump out "epic big plastic monster kits" instead of revamping kits for core units that were pushing 15 years old.
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What miniatures can you advice for amazons?
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>>66225907
the kys miniature
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Making terrains is fun. What should I do to represent the different walls and fences?
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>>66226005
I like making fences with popsicle sticks
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>>66226005
I do walls with sprues
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>>66225907
That depends on the type of Amazon.
Shieldwolf does nordic amazons and crusader amazons, raging heroes does elf amazons, werewolf amazons if you're a degenerate furfaggot. Wargames exclusive does tau amazons too.
Crocodile games is good for hellenistic amazons, and Reaper will give you any sort of TnA you look for basically.
Kaha miniatures does some tasty oni girls I've been wanting for years but their store is down.
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>>66226188
Pic related you can be quite detailed
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>>66225907
theirs a new kickstarter out called raid on the temple of serpents you should look at.
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>>66224695
Fuuuck this was also my first WH box ever!! Looks so cozy.
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>>66224770
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>>66226239
Their little intro video was charming and makes me want to build a pyramid.
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>>66226302

Only 2 miniatures, but the best paints GW ever sold in the best pots.
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>>66226302
I'm craving a monster zero ultra just looking at this.
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>>66221397

I'm not totally sure what my very first was (probably non-wargaming related stuff) but this guy was certainly pretty early on when it came to wargaming.
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>>66225907
freebooter and fireforge have amazon miniatures that kind of look like the old WHFB ones. Blood Bowl teams in general are a good thing to look into.
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>>66221397
Those exact ones, with the book.
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>>66226415
Fireforge have only football amazons or i miss something?
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Working on the fall of the elven fortress scenario, so far I've got 30 spearmen, 10 archers, and 6 white lions vs 24 Arabyan spearmen, 12 arabyan archers, and two groups of 8 death commandos each in ambush.
The elves have two special rules: "drunken revelry" where they drank too much in celebration of getting some action killing arabyans so they aren't under the benefits of speed of asuryan and "the only land you're welcome to take is an unmarked grave" granting them murderous prowess.
Arabyans would have "fanatical zeal" which makes then test panic on 3d6 like cold-blooded, and the flanking death commandos.
The goal of the elves is to kill off the arabyans; the arabyans want to sneak into the elf deployment zone while killing off the white lions.
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>>66221397
My first minis
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>>66227090
is this oldhammer or WAP?
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>>66227600
WAP rules.
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>>66218859
That's what science is
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>>66217345

Might be time to archive the OP and scatter the thread to the winds.
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>>66227646
good taste
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>>66227822
So it's been a little slow the last few days, so what? Don't doom and gloom on me. I was here back when we were barely limping from thread to thread. Serious discussions of becoming a weekend general were made. Compared to that, this is nothing. Whoever's busy playing games or doing other shit will eventually come back around, and I've still got models to paint and games to play.
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What kind of units and special rules would you put in a non-vampire, non Von Drak Sylvanian army?
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>>66227981
Wouldn't they be just the average Imperial army then? Most you'd need to do would be to use poor-province units like archers and crossbows instead of handguns.
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>>66228010
Well Sylvanians are supposed to be even more superstitious than Stirlanders so there wouldn't be a lot of black powder. But I was thinking more along the lines of special units. Though I guess the most special thing Sylvania could produce is Morr Knights and Cultists.

I do have a question related to that but it's lore not game: If the different knightly orders of Morr can bless their armor to be silent and even their horses could they have silent guns?
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>>66226302
It amazes me how every time GW tried to 'innovate' their paint pot design it always got worse. The design in that pic was by far the best.

Side note, does anyone remember the name of that company that was faithfully recreating the old GW paints? Was it Coat D'Arms?
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>>66227981
A greatsword unit but with scythes instead.
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>>66228126
Lots of militia, no state troopers, hunters not archers, and flagellants as special rather than rare.
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>>66228153
>Was it Coat D'Arms?
yes. And I wouldn't say "recreating", since they were the ones making the paints for GW.
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>>66227981
for them to have survived they'd probably have needed some serious anti undead measures. refluff the warpriests of sigmar as priests of morr and the inquisitor as a vampire hunter, maybe get one of those light wizard war machine things. as to special rules I'd give a unit of greatswords or something as knights of morr and give them like hatred:undead or something like that but priced accordingly.
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>>66228153
>It amazes me how every time GW tried to 'innovate' their paint pot design it always got worse.
well...if your paint dries out within a year you have to buy more, right? right?
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>>66227981
Bowmen, spearmen/halberdiers, baroque knights (maybe use blood knights or the cheaper typical proxies).

Also include some undead. The von Draks were famously necromancers and dark wizards, and employed them. This should probably be an element of the army, rather than the core; human necromancers aren't as powerful as vampire/tomb kang ones.
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>>66228262
Guy said he didn't want von Draks, but you could still include some Grey or Amethyst wizards to get that deathly feel.
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>>66227981
>>66228226
actually moving forward on this, are you actually going to do anything with this? because if so I might be inclined to actually go into mechanical detail about an army like this.
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>>66228431
Well I will start first with a couple of trial matches on Table top sim and if I actually like how it playes I will go forward with the minis.
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>>66226328
>>66228153
They didn't dry out, but jesus christ you had to use a pair of pliers to get them open when the lids got stuck. I still have an Enchanted Blue stain on the carpet from one attempt at opening a pot. God help you if the tab broke off.

I can see why they might have changed.
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>>66228293
Mostly you'd just cut out the necromancers and undead, then. If we assume this isn't a thrall army of the von Carsteins, it either predates them or postdates Mannfred's defeat at Hel Fenn. Sylvanian nobility then were mostly pulled from Stirlander stock, and were usually poor. You'd see few - if any - guns or cannon. Yeah, a color wizard may be present as a member of the noble's court, but more likely to keep an eye on him and an eye out for vampires.
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>>66227822
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>not!Alarielle makes everyone horny around her so they fuck and have babies except during winter when she turns into a giant unbirth demon spider of death
Is this what happens when you sniff too many resin fumes?
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>>66229513
>he doesn't huff resin and paint for slaanesh
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>>66228790
I still remember the time I painted my tongue, bottom teeth and bottom lip silver biting a lid open
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>>66222857
how were these to put together? is an all RG dark elf army viable (with some random other monster for a hydra, and some other party bolt throwers) I've been on the um's and ah's of getting one and putting it together and seeing if I can get my one mate to dust of his lizardmen army.
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>>66230549
They weren't particularly difficult to put together, just soaked them in warm water with dish soap for an hour, dried, and went to town.
They are very open-legged so they may not fit on a 20mm base flush though.
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How would one go about converting up Swordmasters? Was thinking maybe dragon prince bodies on white lion legs, but then where could I get the swords? Sisters of Silence maybe?
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>>66231315
it would most likely be lest expensive to just ebay swordmasters
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>>66227965

Same here, I was one of the people who kept the thread live through 2016.

I just think it's run it's course. I still play and love Fantasy but I just don't know what to talk about anymore. Seems like it's all been done before.
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Then we keep the thread going for the sake of every new player or old fan that comes through looking to find that one thing they always needed. Maybe we'll get a little vicarious excitement, maybe we'll want to try that thing one more time, or maybe they'll find something we missed.
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best skaven clan?
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I like Warhammer Fantasy.
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>>66232574
Mors
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>>66230549
>is an all RG dark elf army viable
Yes but fucking expensive, even more than GW when not on sale.
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>>66229242
That sounds oddly sentimental for Chaos
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I want to read all of the wfb stories/lore from newest to oldest, how do i navigate the megas to do that?
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>>66219969
>>66225822
Not just bad army lists, but unapologetically bad. The Dark Elf book leak that led to Chaos being released without *any* testing due to GW butthurt, followed by "it's fine because it's Chaos".

Shit Howdy, GW. Way to go making sure the players know they are hated...
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>>66226195
The Frostgrave folks just did a box of plastic female minions in the usual "parts is parts" format, so that's another northerner option.
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>>66226365
That base is so cute.

>>66228235
Year? Lucky you.
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>>66232346
I know this feel. I have been collecting all of my dad's old group's stuff for years now. It's awesome to go through old campaign notes, maps and character sheets to see what they were doing 30 years ago. Now I am set to run a campaign for my dad and uncles. It's really important to me that it goes well and they have a good time, because they were kind enough to get me into their hobby when I was just a little kid.
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Does anybody know of an army list builder program that supports 8.5?
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>>66232655
Me too. Age of Smegmar is fucking gay.
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>>66232655
me too
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>>66234098
I love the bits of humor in Warhammer Fantasy. I think those survived a bit better than they did in 40k, which wrapped itself up in its grimdark a lot sooner.
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I'm being super autistic and writing out some headcanon on Bretonnia. Trying to find canon scraps to support me where I can, since I'm mostly trying to explain how shit ended up how it has and have more than a few throwaway lines on some things. Kinda fun to make distinctions between how things work in the Empire and Bretonnia.

Something that's come to be headscratcher is 'how Bretonnians view other gods.' Specifically female ones. Would Myrmidia, Verena and Rhya be more accepted because they're similar to the Lady in some respects? Or are they treading on her toes too much, or Brets go 'why worship them when we can worship the Lady?' Verena and Myrmidia especially are a problem in this regard, since the former is related to government (which in Bretonnia is more divinely established), and Myrmidia is related to warfare (which the Lady has a large amount of sway in).
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I’m using Brag the gutsman as a base for Skaff, Golgfags companion and standard bearer. I’m having trouble thinking of how to alter him to stand out from his base model. I’ve already added his peg leg and give him a beefy iron fist, but does anyone else have any ideas? I’m fairly handy with green stuff, but not super advanced with it.
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>>66234279
maybe a helmet like golfag has? the leather cowl is pretty recognizable
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>>66234145
I like Fantasy more than 40k because it's less Meme dark and tryhardy.
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>>66234246
I know some old cults(as in these are totally not elven) like the cult of Morr are present in Bretonia.

I do wonder how an Ulric or Sigmar Bretonian worshiper would look and be treated by other brets and imperials.
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>>66234246
If I remember correctly the Lady is especially venerated by the nobility, while the old gods cults are more prevalent in the peasantry.
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>>66234279
A different headgear I would say, maybe a hat or a face cage
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>>66234359
Morr's going to be a fun one to headcanon about. There was an old short story and some odd bits of fluff that imply the nobility at least are blessed by the Lady when they're buried, not by Morr. And considering how Bretonnia seems less full of the skulls and death imagery compared to the Empire, I was going to figure his worship was on the wane, priests of Morr more likely to tend to peasants and the pauper's graveyards. Or at one point perhaps he had no worship at all, but he's grown in popularity in the dukedoms bordering Mousilion, with a bit more of a fearful reaper aspect.

>>66234385
Pretty much, yeah. I can't find a single canon mention of a noble of Bretonnia worshiping a deity aside from the Lady, at least so far. Not even a oath to Taal or something. The peasantry still revere the Lady, mind. Somehow this idea that they're banned from worshiping her has gotten around, which I think is a misinterpretation of the prayer before battle thing.
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>>66221470
I remember those, ended up getting their 40k equivalent instead when I was eight. 4 monopose marines with a monopose rocket launcher marine.
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>>66217345
Do we still have a complete, working MEGA with all the 6th ed. rules ?
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>>66234569
>Worship of Morr spreads around an area where a good man is spreading the truth about the Lady being a false god
I wonder why
Also what would be a good non garbage times explanation for why the Lady has her powers even though she ain't real?
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>>66234569
>Not even a oath to Taal or something.
they at least respect taal, considering how the damsel and knights went to la maisontaal to rescue it
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>>66234691
My headcanon is that she's a naiad that ended up extremely powerful because...magic rivers, I dunno. If Athel Loren can somehow became super powerful, a watery tart can. She felt spurned by the elves after the War of the Beard, and took to humans with the usual naiad obsessive affection. These naive little men would never be so cruel as to abandon her, they barely know any better. Oh yes, so much better than elves...

Going so far as to say 'she ain't real' doesn't really make sense. She has to be somewhat real, otherwise Brets wouldn't be able to find her at the end of their quests, or get visions from her. Even Genevieve met her at one point, if I remember right.
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>>66234569
I think the worship of different old world gods isn't really contradictory. A man at arms can pray the Lady for protection in battle and still give an offering to the chapel of Myrmidia
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>>66234816
It's not that she isn't real as in she doesn't exist but in the sense that she isn't a real god with real ownership over some part of the astral plain and as such she can't provide salation like Sigmar or Morr, or supreme mastery like Taal, or claim true ownership over a people and place like Ulric. So the people of Bretonia have a less safe afterlife and patron God that doesn't really have the right De Jure right to be.

In my headcannon she is some Tomb King level of Soul Vampire that is using the Bretonians to sustain herself and feed her delusions of grandeur, maybe she actually cares about them and thinks taking their souls is for the best. But thats just one half baked theory. Maybe she is some super powerful human on the way to become like Sigman, she just isn't dead yet.
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>>66234910
God I word salad hard there.
Meant salvation* and just De Jure right.
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>>66217345
Lads, where do I find fresh levies of troops in this day and age?

#PourLaDame
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>>66233712
i guess thats a no ;_;
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>>66234959
Fireforge games, Avatar of War or Gamezone for third party.
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>>66234910
Well...why isn't she real in that sense? I don't see why she couldn't be. Ancestor gods obviously didn't start out as gods, but became them. Orion and Isha are pretty much living representatives of Athel Loren - if you wanted to you could claim that they're just normal elves given a shitton of power and reincarnation through tree magic, but we acquiesce to the idea of them being at least demi-gods. Sigmar managed it, Myrmidia managed it. We've had plenty of lore and arguments about how ideas reflect the warp and the warp reflects reality and all that.

If you want to make her a decidedly evil and less benevolent figure, a false idol, I can't stop you. It sounds like you've read your Barony of the Damned and enjoy the idea. But I like her somewhere more in the middle.

Oh, and while we're on the subject, for the longest time before ET there was some vague idea of the Lady being a 'lovecraftian' goddess you see referred to in various fan discussions and shit. Do you have any idea where that came from, or was it just an idea people started rolling with?
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>>66235027
ta fren
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>>66234246
The main Temple of Shallya is located in Bretonnia.
So I guess they favor goddesses more.
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>>66224695
Whatever happened to the foundation paints?
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>>66235043
>Do you have any idea where that came from, or was it just an idea people started rolling with?
It's because bright ghostly green is the color of necromancy and the Witch hunter requested I tell him if anything glows like that.
It might have something to do with the source material as both HP and Warhammer took a lot from ye old English and Norman folkolre. It's also the semi secretive nature of the cult that lends it's self to that kind of speculation. We know for sure who Sigmar was, how his cult evolved and how it functions. With the Lady there is a lot more ambiguity especially on the first part, and the cult seems somewhat artificial or forced(be it writers intent or not). The grail knight seems borderline necromantic and the cup that only thee worthy can survive drinking and is a mark of devotion showing you an abstract truth is quite similar to a lot of occult writing, especially when you factor that one worthy man drank from it and he did not see the Lady nor did he see death.

I mean who would make a religion out of a fair maiden living in a lake distributing swords to reckless spoiled children?

If you want my honest take the Lady war originally real just a bit shoddily written and only seems Lovecraftian do to Occultism(not HP) using a lot of old mythology and either refraining, rewriting or subverting it to get a different response. And The Black Knight of Mousillion was probably originally written as a way to conceal Chaos(probably Tzeanch) but it evolved to become a folly to the Lady that's not just Chaos so in turn the Lady evolved to not be as perfect and straight forward of a goddess.
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So C7 is planning on doing an Ulthuan sourcebook. What would you want to see out of it? Personally, I want kingdom specific talents. So that I can have a NEET Saphery mage, an Incel Nagarthyee shadow warrior, and a Chad Caledoran dragon prince go on adventures.
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>>66235445
I just want to see the individual kingdoms more fleshed out. Especially those that barely get any recognition, like Yvresse, Cothique, Tiranoc yes, we got a unit from there, but how much do we actually know about Tiranoc? Daily life, maps of cities and fortresses, a bestiary, cuisine, weapons and armor. Not inventing anything new, just flesh these places out.
I fear that, aside from obvious SJWness, that it will largely focus on Lothern as the hub of everything and we only get a bit of other kingdoms.
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>>66235547
>obvious SJWness
What? I mean, what about the Asur really needs more SJWness? They're ruled by a god-queen and a woke af sailor who have an open relationship with partners of both sexes. They're the smartest, most enlightened species on the planet with near complete gender-equality. What else could they want?
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>>66235547
in all fairness its literally the only place non elves can go. only a small portion of players would ever be able to do anything with setting details outside that.
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>>66235547
High Elves are so aesthetic
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>>66235560
Trying to breed with humies and dawis and genociding the lizardmen because lizardmen are trying to get rid of Skaven.
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>>66235578
>breed with humies
Incompatible biology, but they do fuck sometimes. In one of the books Teclis has some human concubines.

>dawis
Never gonna happen.

>kill lizard shits
They do this anyway, the Lizardmen are just mindless automatons the Old Ones left behind. The Asur are the true inheritors of their glory and the Slann should recognize that.

>helping skaven, ever
Nope. Unless as a ploy to manipulate them to take out some greater threat.
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Progress on the Dubsburg militia.
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>>66235564
I can absolutely understand if they set Lothern up as the hub, but that place doesn't really interest me.
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>>66235560
Black/overweight Asur.
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>>66235593
I'm just joking.
The Helf are as gay as they can get. Trying to make them even more so might actually make the lore a bit better. Have them try and court humans in an attempt to have them break the Human/Dawi alliance but because they are better than thou smug cunts they fuck it up and simply make it more likely for humans to help the midgets.
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>>66235593
>They do this anyway
I'm pretty sure there were instances were lizardmen and elves were cooperating, but can't remember right now.
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>>66235547
This actually.
Just give more maps and infos about locations and local flora and fauna etc.
Simply lots of fleshing out.
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>>66235625
If it was any other reality, i would've laughed at your statement, but now i truly fear this could be real
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>>66235628
>The Helf are as gay as they can get
Give me the name of three confirmed homosexual couples in Ulthuan.
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>>66235639
Fantasy lives on in video games anyway.
I only come here for Lore so I don't care about the Tabletop, its dead in the water already but the Lore lives on.
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>>66235649
Gay is a figure of speech in that context but if you want to get anal over faggotry go ahead.
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>>66235625
Asur with different body types would be as silly as making tall dawi. I don't think C7 would go that far. Now, dark-skinned Asur is a possibility but not really something I'm too worried about.
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>>66235659
I just like to ask that question because the actual amount of confirmed gay male elves in all kinds of fantasy settings is actually surprisingly low despite the memes.
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>>66235639
>Better play some Age Of Sigmar
Why, there's way better games out there.
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>>66235639
Maybe in five years when they've resurrected all the WHFB characters like they seem to be doing.
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>>66235632
Does the Shrine of Asuryan belong to Etaine or is it its own thing?
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>>66235988
It's its own thing. The Phoenix Guard have the run of the place and no one goes there except to offer prayers or see the 'unspeakable truth' and join the Guard.
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>>66235839
It's because elves, on the whole, represent a more fey / effeminate archetype that people who're insecure in their sexuality lash out at by decrying as 'gay'.
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>>66235593
>In one of the books Teclis has some human concubines.
Why do people keep saying this? He has elf concubines in Giantslayer, not human.
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>>66235639
Total War is shit compared to actual miniatures.
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>>66236158
Doesn't he shag a human maid in the Twins trilogy? She's definitely flirting with him either way.
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Finished my bretonnian knights, still have the paladin, the lord and 3 pegasus knights to do!
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>>66236587
awesome job on the diamond pattern
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>>66236587
Noice
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>>66236587
Neat.
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>>66235578
If memory serves me there was a half elf in one of the thanqual books where he Murders a slaan or skink prophet indirectly.

It's lame because I liked the idea of incompatible genealogy in a fantasy setting.
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>>66237027
One was a main character in Gilead's blood, so half-elves are possible and have been for a while.
Seems elves and some creatures like harpies, beastmen, daemons, and naiads are the only ones that can breed with humans. Maybe dwarves, halflings, and ogres can mix too but that's never fucking happening.
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>>66236587
Very good
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>>66235621
I could see the sample adventure being in Lothern, but they have to have detailed info on all the kingdoms or at least lay out all the info we've gotten from all the armybooks and expand on them.
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>>66227822
>Thread doesn't hit autosage in a few hours.
>"Welp time to remove it."

Fuck off.
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>>66237104
Leaving aside all else, this makes me want to introduce an ogre NPC...and her halting husband. Let the players try and figure that out.
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>>66236587
Stunning work.
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>>66238837
>Let the players try and figure that out
They like each others cooking.
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>>66235988
its in more or less the exact center, so that alone would make it its own thing.
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Could someone usurp a god in warhammer? Like for example a skaven betraying the horned rat and becoming the new horned rat
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>>66239462
Depends on your tolerance to end times.
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>>66239256
My working idea is it's basically that, yeah; they either run an inn or some sort of grunt labor business. But it's also a bit of a con; a halfling and an ogre working together? That's normal. A halfling MARRIED to an ogre? That's a freakshow you'll want to see (and maybe pay for) yourself.
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>>66239462
Gods are just bundles of emotions in the warp, so no, living things couldn't become gods.
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>>66239526
Sigmar, Ranald, Heydrich, Lucci and Luccina and Myrmidia wants to have a word with you.....
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>>66239673
Those are ideals embodied by chaos gods fashioned after those people.
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>>66239673
How old are human gods? And is Alluminas related to Ptra? In TWW Light mages proclaim Alluminas, could he be Nehekharan god explaining their egyptical theme?
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>>66239673
Those people were just mortals, their worship created the gods in the warp.
>>66239809
Total War is a third party product.
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>>66239885
TWW is written by GW WFB writer.
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>>66239756
Thats just one theory of many what the Gods truly are.
>>66239809
Old.
Old Stonehenges of the people before the Empire or its people that came to build it afterwards, tell of the human Gods Taal, Ulric and some others who opposed the coming of Chaos when the gates collapsed.
Alluminas so far I know is something else. In ET it is implied thst the Nehekharan Gods are the same as the Empire ones since killing Usiris made Morr disappear.
>>66239885
They were mortals who ascended to godhood they didn't create it.
Myrmidia even became Mortal to protect humans and then went back to godhood.
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>>66239756
>>66239885
sigmar has always been explicitly the same person as a god and a mortal. ranald was never a mortal at all, and myrmidia was either once a mortal that became a god or once a god who became a mortal and then returned to being a god.
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>>66235604

I like the skintone, how's it done?
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>>66239979
Must be how mortals tell that story, since impartial fluff has held from the beginning that gods are created by emotions of living things.
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>66229242
You realize it will, literally, never work, right? Are you feeling okay?
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>>66239885
>>66240504
The first Gods were Chaos and Law, who came into the world simultaneously to fight over it. Technically they're not even "Gods", just very powerful voidspace entities that saw the gate collapse as a way to expand their dominion after the Old Ones had basically made them their bitches for so long.
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>>66239526
Hordes of Chaos is written from the perspective of Chaos.

>>66239979
*Solkan became mortal
Not all of them were ascended mortals though. Solkan and the gang came in at the same time as the Chaos gods did. The others, it's never really stated. Shallya was supposedly born of godly pregnancy.

>>66240018
Ranald is the only known case, aside from Sigmar, of a mortal human becoming a god actually. He duped Shallya into granting him divinity to save him from the worst disease ever seen, but it turns out he faked it the whole time and trolled everyone into making him a god.
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>>66240795
>Hordes of Chaos is written from the perspective of Chaos.
Nah, it refers to the Warhammer World, which is not a word that would be used in-universe.
>>66240768
The Old Ones were eventually killed by Necrons so Chaos won in the end.
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>>66240795
uh no, its pretty clear from the text that his greatest trick was to make men think he was ever one of them. they even say something along those lines pretty much verbatim.

>>66240815
anons this is a troll dont respond.
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>>66240018
>ranald

who?
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>>66239526
>>66239756
Read The Unique Divinity of Sigmar Heldenhammer from Liber Chaotica.

If Volkmar the Grim is right, then Sigmar's mortal soul formed the nucleus of the entity that became Sigmar the god.
The same is probably also true of the Ancestor Gods and other ascended mortals.
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>>66240961
You never really know what's true or false with Ranny boy. For all we know his greatest trick is convincing everyone he's a god in the first place.

>anons this is a troll dont respond.
We know, just ignore it.
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>>66240991
>Liber Chaotica
is not solid canon, and relies too much on for starters the reliability of a completely psychotic and Chaos-worshiping author to write or record anything valid, and second even if his transcriptions are correct it relies on others theorizing things well above mortal understanding and just happening to be right on them, something even history's most gifted theologians never could get to. Some changed their ideas on the nature of life and God dozens of times in their lives.
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>>66240992
you know, and I know but from prior experience I can tell most of this thread is horrible at identifying trolls.
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>>66241069
Good point.
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>>66241023
First, I suggested that because those posts are based off the 6th edition material and Liber Chaotica is pretty key to that.
Second, that part is written by Volkmar the Grim so the mad author thing doesn't even matter. Although he might still be might be completely wrong.

The point is that mortals ascending to godhood is a perfectly reasonable idea, even given the realm of chaos/hordes of chaos/liber chaotica metaphysics.
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>>66241110
>The point is that mortals ascending to godhood is a perfectly reasonable idea
I agree there.
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>>66235604
Wait, I thought they were from Ostermark
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Is an Empire army themed on a knightly order entirely bad taste? As in, would the State Troop models and their uniforms too tied to Imperial soldiery to represent auxiliaries for an Order-themed army? The common soldiery being mercenaries or ideologically committed permanent, professional soldiers rather than drawn up from some kind of indenture.
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>>66241177
Not really. I mean the most famous knightly order had an entire country AND army dedicated to it.
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>>66241177
About as bad taste as people painting an Empire army all one state colour scheme I guess. What order were you thinking?
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>>66241177
their have been actually official supplements for just that thing (Ithink it was in 6th edition?) so you're fine, go nuts.
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>>66240961
>anons this is a troll dont respond.
This is just proof that you can't argue back. Realm of Chaos says that the Warhammer World is in the 40k universe and the Old Ones in the 40k universe got killed by Necrons.
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Playing some WHFRP soon. What would a Wood Elf who's been marked/cursed by Khaine look like? What're some interesting and unsettling physical and social characteristics I can give them?
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>>66241441
Does RoC lore even jive with current 40k lore?
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>>66241470
He is born with an intense lust for his sister and mother and also has a sense of shame that leads him to wear actual clothes.
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>>66241177
If it helps, knightly orders in the Empire do have their own footmen.
6th edition had a Crusader army list in the appendix which was supposed to consist of a knightly order and their men at arms.
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>>66241470
Khaine doesn't change the physic, as far as I'm concerned. But I think End Times introduced some high elves that got lost in Khaines fury and turned into some kind of rage-ghosts. Can't remember the name.
Aside from the obvious bloodlust you might also enjoy a complete disregard for your own life. He will likely just throw himself into any danger.
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>>66241501
Not even slightly, but you better believe a few desperate shitposters cling to it like it was written by the pope.
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>>66235639
Thicc stormcast ladies? Only attractive female I can think of is that one female barbarian that got some fanart. Comparatively WFB has more cute girls with the handmaidens, those wood elf deer riding girls, female wardancers, damsels, vampire girls...
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>>66241501
anon dont bite the bait.
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>>66241501
Current 40k fluff doesn't matter at all. All GW fluff has been shit since 2005.
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>>66241558
You're adding nothing to the discussion, kindly go back to /aosg/ if you hate the idea of Warhammer and 40k being in the same universe so much. You can have your mortal realms.
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>>66241585
Fantasy fluff sucked cock since 8E. 40k fluff sucked cock since.. well, the same time really. 2010-2012 or so is the cutoff date for most folks.
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>>66241220
I mean...why wouldn't they? You can get guns outside of Nuln, and having a bunch of different forces in an army might be confusing on the tabletop.
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>>66241611
But AoS and 40k explicitly share a universe.
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>>66241626
He knows that, he just insists on being a bitch.
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>>66241620
They wouldn't, which was what I was trying to imply, sorry for confusion fren.
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>>66241626
No they aren't, what even gave you that idea?
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>>66241710
The part when all the khorne daemons disappeared from the realms at the same time as khorne was launching that invasion of Octarius.
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>>66241626
>>66241739
anon dont bite the bait
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>>66241748
But it's so juicy.
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>>66241759
Dreadfu?
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>>66221397
These two boxes. Didn't take long for me to pick up a box of chaos warriors and the metal blood thirster as well back then. Good times.
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>>66241739
Never heard of that. It must mean that they're connected via the warp, whereas the Warhammer World before the 8th edition was in the same galaxy as the rest of the 40k universe.
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>>66241759
It's more sad bait than anything. Desperation for attention, assuming it's the same guy who keeps doing this repeatedly.
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>>66241773
I think it's genderbent Mallus.
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>>66221397
One of these bad boys with a paint set, followed by some old school CSM.
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Took CA long enough to give Empire the purple casters.
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>>66241816
Which is basically cruel and cute.
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>>66241849
Oh, we sure need more undead relate things.
>Nagash in TWW3
Oh.
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>>66241842
SLAMBO
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He looks like Ming the Merciless.
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>>66241785
If we go by old lore 40k is inside of a crystal ball in the warhammer world in Altdorf.
Can anyone source that? It sounds cool.
last time I bite I swear
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>>66241886
Slambo has 2 axes dingus
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>>66241886
> Only 1 axe
> Slambo

m8
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>>66240795
>*Solkan became mortal
No, Im talking about Myrmidia who became mortal to save its people.
>Ranald is the only known case
And what about his brother Heydrich?
Or Lucci and Luccina?
And maybe some more Im forgetting, but they were also elevated to Godhood.
>>66241710
Hes kinda right bout that.
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>>66241975
It's just another piece of fanon that's been shared online so long that everyone believes it has an actual source.
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>>66241987
>>66241979
SLAMALB
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>>66242076
Ok NOW you're talking.
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>>66242010
>gw now degrading the WHITE DWARF badass with 'world-that-was' shit
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>>66241975
40k is also in 'a future time'.
Basically it's 'they're connected in some way so we can make some fun references, stop thinking so hard about it and shut up'.

>>66241961
I love that stupid hat.
There was a big trend in fantasy art to do away with a lot of the slightly goofy motifs, like big noses on trolls or pointy shoes.
I'm glad we're past that somewhat.
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>>66234662

Well, in the pastebin there is a mediafire link that contains most of them.
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>>66242010
>elves and eldar are "similar"
Half-eldar babies and eldar waifus confirmed!
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I can have 6 of the 8 wizards for my empire army. I already got the jade and amethyst wizards. Which one should I take, as I will fight against all armies exept daemons ( It's a 1000pts army, but I'll switch the model depending of the ennemy)

I will buy the 4 wizards box
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>>66242249
Fire.
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>>66242234
Fuck off, they aren't if you'd knew anything about Eldar.
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>>66242152
Yeah now we've gotten to the point where 90s cliches are comfy and classic. I love it.
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>>66242249
There's a Frostgrave Wizards plastic set out now with eight figures.
I wonder how well that kitbashes with the GW wizards. Probably terribly. The later Empire stuff is huge.
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>>66242301
t. Aumdhal of Biel-Tan
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>>66242449
It was a different time.
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>>66242492
Biel-tan was based, get fucked waifufaggot.
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>>66242526
>was
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>>66241169
My source had Ostermark as red and yellow, but in fact it's purple and yellow. I hesitate to do a purple glaze over the red or just leave it with that talabecland colour scheme and build another free company to paint as an ostermarker.
What do you think ?
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>>66240370
Army painter pale flesh with strong tone wash
Rest of the minis are washed with various mixes of strong, dark and soft tones.
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>>66235138
Replaced by Base line.
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>>66241961
>The amythest wizard isn't completely hairless
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>>66243860
They already made the celestial wizard bald. 40k already filled up the bald quota, in with the hair
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>>66217345
In the WHF MEGA's Mordheim section, the Mordheim Rulebook Annual 2002 has an entry for Ostlander warbands, but the standalone PDF in the MEGA for Ostlanders has a whole new rule for them not even shown in the Annual. Which came first? What the fuck is going on here?
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>>66241470
>>66241540

How about a scar or wound on the hand and wrist that is always bleeding? Or the character gives off the overwhelming smell of blood or smoke and fire? What about hair that's been turned an unnatural blood red that, when washed, it washes out with blood instead of water?
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>>66243996
I dont think the mordanon's updated it in a very long time
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>>66219183
Yes
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>>66244207
Last one is pretty good and kind of fits for the Wood Elf look anyway. There's that one cheesecake picture with butt and red hair...smell of blood and smoke is good, and the hand wound could be good if she at least could bandage it up to dull the bleeding somewhat.

Just make sure to keep it kind of subtle. Even with the older lore about Dark Elves that went up into the Chaos Wastes to worship Slaanesh, not much outright changed with them. I can't find the cap at the moment, but I recall it being mostly extremely dilated pupils or purple-tinged or see-through skin.
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Guy with the Bret headcanon stuff from last night. Should I resist writing something like 'the priesthood of Morr draws much ire from the knights of Bretonnia, who take their yells as rebellious?'
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>>66244693
18 years? I just want to know if that Nouveau Riche rule should be observed or not, because I could easily just say "lol nah fuck that" and not deal with that rule, choosing to go by the 2002 Annual.
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Pure speculation, but if Forge World were to release a "Warhammer: The Old World" line of rules/models, what would your ideal release look like? Which edition or would you want a cleaned up version of 6th or 8th or something completely new that was still R&F? Which factions first?
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>>66244784
Bretonnians first, definitely. Then we can get the Black Fire Pass book and give the Empire and Orcs and Goblins some love. They could probably expand on their Chaos Dwarves...
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>>66244784
No rules please, I don't trust GW and FW is too busy with HH.
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>>66244949
Realistically speaking, they have to do a set of rules since 8th no longer is being published. So what would you like to see?
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>>66241866
Thanquol is also cruel and cute but also funny
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Someone asked about how the Bretonnians interact with the old gods. The only source I can recall that goes into it in detail is Knights of the Grail.

-Sigmar is not worshiped by Bretonnians.
-Myrmidia is not popular among the ruling class but has some peasant adherents; her role is mostly held by the Lady and so her relevance is low.
-Taal & Rhya are popular among farmers and hunters; some outlaws are particularly faithful to Taal.
-Manaan is kept by sailors. Some actually give him more favor than the Lady. It's generally held that while the Lady is the god paramount over Bretonnia, the sea is Manaan's to rule.
-Ranald is pretty much exclusively a god for peasants. Oddly he's more popular with merchants than in the Empire, perhaps because in this country they're the downtrodden winkling the nobility out of what they can.
-Morr is well-respected among peasants and Gardens are where corpses are buried. The cult is well-received due to its opposition to necromancy, a recurring problem in Bretonnia.
-Shallya is the most important goddess for peasants by far, even above the Lady, and they view her as particularly inclined towards them. The center of the Shallyan cult in the Old World is in Bretonnia, and yearly pilgrimages attract (and kill) many thousands. Some peasants associate Shallya and the Lady through folk-theology - asserting in some cases that the Lady serves Shallya in directing the nobility to be good, but this heresy is not tolerated.
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>>66245005
There is a sigmarite temple in Bretonnia. With a small but stable following
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>>66245017
Yes, but the citizens of that village are almost all Imperial expats. They're not "real" Bretonnians.
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>>66245046
>They're not "real" Bretonnians.
Do we not eat the same frogs, mon frère?
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>>66245005
Oh, I forgot poor Ulric. He's not well-received in Bretonnia. The nobility don't really go in for his savagery and his 'wolves and winter' angle is sinister in a country whose climate is generally pretty pleasant.
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>>66245005
There's a short story called 'Who Mourns a Necromancer' that's set in Gisoreux and features a High Priest of Verena and a priest of Morr.
While we're on the subject of sources of information.
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so i've been out of the game since 2005 and I know they're being squatted/foreverfreeguild in AoS but were bretonnians neglected by GW before the end? I can't tell if I should feel bad for them or not
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>>66245935
Their last army book was in 6th edition and they didn't have any new kits the whole time iirc.
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>>66245971
oh dam alright, I just thought people liked the old figs I didn't realise the last I saw was all there was shit
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>>66243860
Its literally just this model.
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>>66245699
>alas poor ulric
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>>66246298
they forget the rpg isnt neccesarily canon and made a whole bunch of shit up that didnt appear anywhere else.
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>>66243860
>>66246298
>>66246346
The changes the winds have on their users aren't uniform and instant, anyway.
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>If Looks Could Kill
>Basilisk has +6 Weapon
>And gains Impact from Size. (+Units die to damage)
>And doubles Damage from Size
>And inflicts a Poisoned Condition
>And can cause a Festering Wound
>And can follow up with Bite or Tail

This nigger's gonna be dealing like 20-30 Damage on each hit, and that's before any Poison damage. The party isn't actually expected to engage this thing, right?
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>>66246949
do you know what a non sequitur is anon?
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>>66246949
I feel like they keep forgetting their own size rules.
I'm totally fine with the basilisk eviscerating a party that attempts to engage it in melee (humans start with way too many fate points anyway) but the adventure seems to imply that it's beatable in a straight fight.
I thought it was only hitting with 25 WS, but its melee is 45. Brutal.
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>>66247239
It has pitiful Dodge (10), and its size confers a +10 to hit in Melee and a +40 to hit at Ranged. It also has very low Initiative (15) so maybe the intention is for the party to be able to front-load all their damage and have the thugs soak a few of its attacks before the party starts being threatened with insta-gibs? IDK might be do-able.
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>>66247379
Ah, the old monster hunter adage:
Don't get hit; hit it until it dies.
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>>66247379
Can it not 'parry' with its Melee skill?
I mean, that'd make sense, but I can't see anything to say that it has to use its dodge.
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>>66247474
It has the Bestial trait, which means it can only oppose with Dodge.
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>>66247524
Aha, thanks.
That's rather hidden away in the middle of the paragraph.
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>>66245005
With Ranald, it probably doesn't hurt that Handrich is pretty explicitly a middle-class deity, in all the senses that the Empire and Marienburg knows it as. The Brothers of Handrich have a few outposts in Couronne and I think Brionne, but they're new and having trouble establishing. They're foreign in the same way Sigmar is foreign.
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>>66248155
Lexicanum claims that Handrich is worshiped as Affiache in Bretonnia, but I can't find a source on it. Either way kinda fun difference I suppose, especially if you want to set up Bretonnian merchants as being distinct from Empire ones.
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>>66243860
When were they ever?
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>>66243996
The Town Cryer one came first, the Annual 2002 one is the updated one.
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anybody interested in playing warhammer 8.5 on roll20?
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>>66248933
>warhammer 8.5
>roll20
I don't know what either of those are.
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>>66249009
8.5 is just an update of 8th, some balance changes mostly

roll20 is a website used for playing dnd, but the grid system makes playing warhammer on it pretty simple
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Can a hero/lord without Skirmish be in a unit with Skirmish in 8th ed?
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>>66249134
Yes but the unit loses skirmish.
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>>66249262
What the fuck are you even saying?
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>>66243860
>>66246298
>>66246548
>>66248920
The "all wizards must look like this" meme from later wfb is one of the shitter ideas.

A fire wizard not wandering around covered in flames is fine.
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WIP present from vg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3VVOj3Cvio

Guy making it says he's one of your crowd, figured yall would enjoy
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>>66249619
I am pretty fucking amused if nothing else.
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>>66249525
I like the idea but it feels, like a lot of things, only half explored. Especially when it comes to the less popular wizards like jade and amethyst
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Someone make a new thread that is not me. My threads are always cursed.
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Is Carrion Call a good adventure to port to 4e for a beginner game?
Remember playing it at a convention as a one-shot and it was plenty fun
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>>66222857
2nd from right looks like he didn't realise they were all posing till the last second and overcompensated.
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Anyone got pics of the old ETB Orcs with shields and choppa? They came in boxes of 5 I think. Can't seem to find them anywhere.
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>>66234569
>I can't find a single canon mention of a noble of Bretonnia worshiping a deity aside from the Lady

There's this from the WHRP Bretonnia book.
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>>66252691
>ETB
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