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Blessed Bossom Edition

We talk about Monstergirls and build a setting for them. Though we can all post pics and images and art of Monster Girl Encyclopedia monster girls and talk about them. But bear in mind this is not KCs MGE canon to the letter. Seriously lads a lot of people have their ideas and they aren't all the same, we can all agree to disagree. Just remember to have fun.

Previous thread: >>66114128

Warhammer Fantasy roleplay homebrew link:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-khJ4fE5v2MyrumyZoauEJ4VIucMO-kP1MGHNVtaDkc/edit
>Comments are enabled for a reason. Feel free to help out.

Dungeon World Monster Classes.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tnxUNkYKWeDtVtyPk8sYAiTsfwBwcNeC1DKg_0GTb8U/edit?usp=sharing

Ideas from previous threads:
https://pastebin.com/u/Famygdala
https://pastebin.com/u/ASimpleLegionnaire
https://pastebin.com/u/Vapid_Vulture
https://pastebin.com/u/ilniaj
https://monstergirlencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ilniaj

Wikis for popular Monstergirl settings:

Monster Mosume (Everyday Life with Monstergirls):
>http://dailylifewithamonstergirl.wikia.com/wiki/Daily_Monster_Girls_Wiki

Monstergirl Encyclopedia:
>http://monstergirlencyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Girl_Encyclopedia

Monstergirl Quest:
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>>66199370
Any of the human civilizations figured out how to take down a rampaging dragon yet?
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>>66199469
A box of demon realm chocolates and a bouquet of tentacle flowers.
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>>66199497
That doesn't sound like it'll stop anything.
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>>66199601
There isn't much such items cannot stop.
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Can we stop having these magical realm threads? Go to tumblr, if you wanna jerk off.
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>>66199659
didn't tumblr ban porn?
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>>66199659
Technically this isn't supposed to be a magical realm thread. No one ever wants to talk games with me here though.
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>>66199370
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-khJ4fE5v2MyrumyZoauEJ4VIucMO-kP1MGHNVtaDkc/edit
I've added a work in progress Lore of the Wilds for the Beastwoman that still needs two more spells. The Lore of the Big and Little Waaagh also need four more arcane marks. Use Control F to search for [Placeholder] if you want to help out.

Zipangu, The Demon Lord Realms, Araby, Estalia, Orcoids and Goblinoids, Mist Continent (both) and the armies of Enyo, Baoht, Thoth and the Fallen God (which will function like an expy of the Warriors of Chaos) are what's left. Choose the next one. I'm tempted to decide the next one via a dice roll after so many threads with no response.
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>>66200130
Zipangu.
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>>66200130
>>66200139
Aww. I was gonna pick Araby, oh well. Hey WHFanon, do you have population distributions for your map?
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>>66199469
Heroes prolly.

Tbh I feel like there should be another name/title for 'Heroes' that isn't Hero.
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>>66200139
>>66200246
I'll do Zipangu and then Araby. No population distributions though.
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>>66200253
Sacrifice
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>>66199370
Man I wish there was more monster girl art like picrelated. Sexy but alien and monstrous at the same time, not just "girl with tail and ears".
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>>66200282
Did you ever consider slapping a grid over your map and rolling by category code to generate populations? If the codes correlate to classes of monster, you could just roll them up and people would simply have to suck it. Like dolphins. Hopefully it'd save you trouble. I was thinking of using a modular magic system to do grid filling for locations. Hell if I know how you managed to get the WHF magic system as a base. The lack of modular-ness makes it harder to work with, if I understand it correctly. I'm thinking of doing similarly, maybe a version of your map further forward in the timeline. Thoughts?
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>>66200385
Go ahead, I'll see what your work looks like and maybe I can replicate it?
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>>66200448
I'll give it a shot. If it's worth replicating, I'll not complain. Be back later, I'll mess around a bit with the idea.
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>>66199370
>OP pic

Jesus Christ /mgw/ use some actual Monstergirl pictures.
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>>66200338
>Sexy but alien and monstrous at the same time, not just "girl with tail and ears".

Waaahhhh!!! Why must Monstergirl be pretty!!!

Honestly why the hell do people like you complain about something so insignificant? Monstergirls are pretty girls with ears and tails for a reason you zoophilie.

And what's with the OP pic? Regular Monstergirl images not realistic and grounded to reality enough?
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>>66201423
Get the fuck out of this thread you utter fucktard
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>>66199866
which game?
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>>66202255
Just when I'd decided to take a break, funny that. The theoretical MGW game.
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>>66202274
and what exactly are you thinking it would be?
also, are you the anon that was theorizing MGs were kinda alien so they'd be used as NPCs rather?
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>>66200430
A yandere shoggoth would be horrifying
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>>66202352
>monsters as NPC
That's me. They don't have to be, but a solid mechanic would be necessary to cue the player. Otherwise it'd turn into a shitshow imo. Super-rape the rpg.
>the game itself
Broadly, it should have some social elements to reduce the super-rape aspect. This would allow for actual roleplay as well. Of course a setting has to be consistent enough that it doesn't fall apart or can't maintain itself. That's an entirely different but just as unfun sort of shitshow where the GM is force to pull things out of his ass. Not fun.

WHFanon has managed a good base, but without mature players it'll turn into a hack and slash with extra rape. I can tell that's not the intention, but people often fail to pick up on that sort of thing -- I doubt anyone'll play any version of MG setting outside of ERP, which is basically +10 to tone deafness. Yay.

So a partial solution in my mind is to impose some extra consistent restrictions. It doesn't hurt that this is more fun than calculating magnetic fields like I'm supposed to be doing.

Currently, I'm tabulating a monster-habitat mapping and not calculating magnetic fields. The mapping by itself isn't enough to generate a population for a locale, but in addition to rolling for population density, environment, and environmental corruption, this can fill in the gaps for exactly what the population of monsters is likely to be. Basically I'm trying to generate a variance measure.

Just to clarify the environmental corruption for a grid block should reasonably be proportional to monster vs human density for a given area. Sorry if this is a bit much to chew on.
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>>66202561
It's fine, I get you, but imo it wouldn't be too hard, I'm thinking it could be feasible with a buddy system where the MG is akin to a familiar for specific actions boosts.
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>>66202610
>can deal with crunch
Good to hear, I try not to get too crunchy, but I've gotten to trust the power of randomness vs human preferences. It's mandatory when avoiding getting sucked into magical realms.
>buddy system
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Setting enforced symbiosis solves a lot of in game problems like "why don't the humans just kill all monsters". The idea of cooperation gets the short stick unless enforced or incentivized.
>actual mechanics of symbiosis
This is the rough part. As far as I can tell, either the mechanic has to be ritualized or really prevalent to curb the inherited excesses of the setting. My autism for balancing things while conserving character points across all templates probably isn't helping.

A magic system should be able to solve a lot of this, but WHFanon's assumes you'd already decided not to be a genocidal/rapetastic ass. Also, it looks like it was pretty hard to generate from WHF's nitty gritty roots. I can see the logic, but the setting has to support it.

I'm aiming for modular and free-form magic -- but this gives the problem of way too many options. So the limits have to curb that as well. A two for one would be a lovely thing.

What are your thoughts on a feasible buddy system? My ideas so far are in a rougher state than I'd like.
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>>66199370
Monster girls were created from actual monsters by the DL, right? Would it still be possible for a monster tamer to tame and raise, say, an Ushi-Oni?
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>>66201423
what the fuck are you talking about? anon was just saying monster girls shouldn't just look like human girls wearing cat ears, which is lazy design.
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>>66202924
(cont'd)
Finished the monster-habitat mapping. Don't ask me about magnets. Currently on a framework for generating populations etc. I might knock it out later today. I'll shoot for it when time allows, either way. Don't let the thread burn down anons.
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>>66199469
All you need is but one single arrow
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>>66203730
>having to raise a youung ushi-oni alone
>needing to keep up with a child that is literally a spider-calf
>having to ensure you meet it's carnivorous dietary needs
>having to hunt down and reproduce the talisman eyepatch they use to limit their rape strength before she grows to adulthood
I'm just picturing some toweringly swole dude practicing katas with a small ushi-oni wearing her limiter as a headband.
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>>66206083
So this should be enough.
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>>66206112
>Dude is swole enough to take on a fully grown Ushi-Oni in full rape mode without any seals
>Standard necessity for Ushi-Oni taming in the first place
>Pick her up and turn her belly up and let her flail about
>Have a heartfelt hug as she apologizes profusely when she gets back in control of herself

>Just another day Ushi Oni coaching
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>You church boys of Liberstadt
>And I'll have you to beware,
>For there comes in an angel
>No halo does she wear
>Her eyes are full of fire
>Her wings as black as the sea
>She's a wayward one with a tainted friar
>From the Banks of Lescatie

>And the boys said
>"We'll scrape her and we'll scrub her"
>"With stone until she's free,"
>"For there blows a lost and wayward"
>"From the Banks of Lescatieland."

>We had the Friar as he did retire,
>The Angel traveling or',
>And I tell you boys they suffered like hell
>On the way to Liberstadt's shores
>They dropped their things in the churches
>And they made a chance to flee,
>But there blew some cold and dark delights
>On the Banks of Lescatie.

>We'll scrape her and we'll scrub her
>With stone until she's free
>She's a wayward one with a tainted friar
>From the Banks of Lescatie

So theres all this about corruption, but what about the reverse?

What if there was a way, provided its not too late, that one could bring someone back from corruption?
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>>66207361
Once you go black you can't go back.
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>>66207387
SCRUB

HER

HARDER
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>>66207361
You can't unremove someones legs, or un-undead them.
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>>66207430
We'll see about that...
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>>66207361
Sounds good to me, but I'm oh so far from the Banks of Lescatie. I'm all for it.
>>66207430
Reducing raving lunacy is always a plus.
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>>66202561
>>66202561
On your point about heroes before, I think there can be a place for them as PCs.

They seem more like humans with super combat stats as opposed to outright godhood. While it may not be something PCs will immediately have access to, its something to add nonetheless.

Otherwise, part of the Monster mechanics will need a serious toning down of alot of race's capabilities. Otherwise, the rpg will become increasingly one-sided.
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>>66206044
I'll try, but also, thanks for your endeavor
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>>66207531

>Now the Sheriff he stood on the coastline
>And loudly he did roar,
>"Now rattle her back to piety lads"
>"They're bound for Liberstadt's shore"
>"Come wipe the sweat off your own face"
>"And haul and haul with me,"
>For there blows some dark and purple
>From the Banks of Lescatie."

>We'll scrape her and we'll scrub her
>With stone until she's free,
>Haul away lest were found
>On the Banks of Lescatie.

>And as the night done an' took over the sky
>With the Angel frozen hard
>And on the coast every mother's son
>Done manned the scrubbing yard
>Nevermind about the purple clouds
>As far as the eye can see
>It matters not as long we fought
>On the Banks of Lescatie

>We'll scrape her and we'll scrub her
>With stones until she's free
>We have no fear for were steadfast here
>On the Banks of Lescatie.

>Huzzah! Me boys, now we're off the hook,
>Her wings are white a snow
>Pick up, pick up and send her down
>She'll spend the night below,
>And on the docks, come down in flocks,
>Those girls gold and silvery
>Behold we have the grandest news
>On the Banks of Lescatie

>We'll scrape her and we'll scrub her
>with stones until she's free
>She once was lost and wayward
>On the banks of Lescatie
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>>66208462
Is this by your hand, or did you have fae inspiration?
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>>66210613
>it keeps getting lewder
Anon, pls, have mercy.
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>>66210629
I want to crawl inside.
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>>66200430
>>66210555
Best girl.
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>>66210051
I lowkey Stole emulated the lyrics of a song and switched the words around.

Cadence and stuff is not mine.
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>>66199469

Heroes preemptive striking their homeland by cave-diving. Grapple them into maids.
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>>66210565
Is this supposed to be Birkin-chan?
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Finally I am complete--er free, from work that is.
>>66207693
>Heroes doable PC's
I've a simple template for them. They're so OP compared to PCs (adult-monsters/magic-humans) that it's ridiculous to not hobble them some sort of way. Their top attributes stack so high that'd I'd have to lower the Heroes max skill level to "literally gives no fucks about that because of muscles" to make them half-playable. It really would be like DBZ in a way. There a lot of possible takes on Heroes, so other approaches would work. I'm willing to push the idea around a bit more, but it'd need a lot of shaping up to not break things.

Most of this is due to me giving adult monsters and trained humans an equal amount of total power when attributes and skills are summed up. Heroes would be a level up from that, so the only way to balance total power would be to reduce their magic AND have the setting restrict them.
>PC advance, one sided
I restrict attributes to starting (except the magic die) for PCs (monster and human). Skill and magic boosts are the advancement paths.
>tone down monsters to balance it out.
Yeah, I actually did this. Monsters can only have 3 attributes at 5D to indicate superior raw prowess in some areas. All other attributes for monsters could be found in a human. The skills added to these "super-attributes" max out at 1D. So 5D+1D = 6D tops for monster super attributes when max skill is added.

I give the same limit to humans by making the highest attribute at 4D, but the skill max for high attributes in humans is 2D. That's also 6D total.

The simplest way to indicate a permanent increase in raw power is a high attribute. If I were to represent the next step up in permanent raw power logically i.e Heroes, the highest attributes for them would Start at 6D. 6D is the weakest attribute for Gods. I can't even give these guys skills at this point -- they don't even need it.

Prometheus-anon's Heroes, will probably be absurdly strong -- he's applying fewer limits.
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>>66213334
>8 hours later
Fuckin magnets, man.
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>>66208112
Back at ya. Every little bit helps.
>>66200448
Pic related is a simple even grid map. One of the checkerboard patterns on the edge equals a grid square -- if the pattern is 4x4. One of those squares is a 1/16 grid = 29922.917 sq miles. The theoretical max population density for medieval living is 120 folks per sq mile. So the upper limit for human density on our smallest chunk of map is 3590750 people. We can do a density roll for how full a chunk is.

But how many of those can be human? At no/low corruption, all of them can be. I measure corruption levels in increments of 1/12 (or 1 Cthulhu). This can vary, but fundamentally each step up in corruption level is a reduction of the possible 100% human pop. So for me, the highest corruption level 12 Cthulhus = no possible humans there. This works out because this also means that Cthulhu is sleepily chewing on the landscape. This in combination with the rolled density tells us the monster vs human distribution for an area in many cases.

But wait, what kinds of monsters do we cram in there? Monsters are roughly habitat based in an imperfect but useful way. So we do a habitat roll for our chunk of map. I went through the MGE and found several habitats and took a listing of potential monsters for each. Oceans, Human settle, Forest, Desert, Ruins, Plain, Underground, Wasteland, etc. Some of the categories can fold into each other i.e Rivers and Lakes. But the current listing shows repeats of the same monsters for given environments. This isn't as sloppy as it appears, it's what's called a probability distribution. I'll have to clean the listing up, but for a given habitat, it can give a roll for a variety measure of the monster population.
>>66213428
Brick joke. You got me, I'd be mad if you weren't just a big money rustla. Nice. Everyone knows magnets aren't real, clearly we're in a movie.
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>>66213765
I knew the magnet thing was a reference, the funny thing is, not even physicists can expain mangets
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>>66214261
>not even physicists can expain mangets
Magic and Miracles.
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>>66214261
I don't wanna talk to no want scientist them motherfucker be lyin and getting me pissed
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>>66214664
damn fucked that up
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>>66214261
Mamono mana
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>>66214261
>magnets
Yup, bedrock physics may be observable, explaining them is a different kettle of fish. So >>66214388 might as well be right.
>>66214664
Yeah it's a big scam, the magnetism was inside you all along. Placebo effect. Same with money. Send it all to me.

Here's the habitat listing. Folding similar or adjacent habitats together would give probability distributions. It's not perfect. There are almost certainly errors, but I think it's usable. Esp. since we've got AnyDice and such.

Lake: Apsa Byip Haku M.Toad Papil Ryu Kappa Sahu Shiro Unagi Undine VampM

River: Apsa Byip Cancer Haku Kappa M.Toad Ryu Sahu Shiro Unagi Undine VampM

Human: Akanam Alp Bansh CaitS CuS Cupid D.Priest D.Bug Danuki Dhamp Dopp Dwarf Famil Ghost Gob Hob Holst Houri Inari Ittan Jorou Kiki Kob Kunoi Lean L.Mouse L.Succ L.Doll Neko Nura Rata Shog Wcat Wsheep Witch Yoko

Mountain: Baro B.Harp B.Oni Chim Cocka C.Tengu Cycl Danuki Drag D.Zomb Gandh Gob Grif Griz Harp Hob H.Orc Inari Jinko Kaku Kamait Kob Kunoi Lamia Mantis Moth Raiju Ogre Orc Oom R.Oni Soldier Sylph Thunder Ushi Wwolf Wurm Wyvrn Yoko

Cave: Ant Arach Atalach Balisk B.Oni Cocka D.Bug Drag Dorome D.Zomb Dwarf Gaz GAnt Gnome Gob Hob Kob Lamia L.Mouse Lizard Medusa M.Flayer Minot Mycon N.Gaunt Ogre Oomu P.Slime R.Oni Roper Sala Shog Troll Ushi Wbat Wurm Wyvrn

Wasteland: Baro Chim Jinko Manticore Ogre Thunder Troll

Forest: Alarune Amazon Ant Arach Bicorn Cent D.Elf D.Mage G.Ant Rata Ren G.Slug Grizz H.Bee Ocel Dryad Elf Fairy Green Danuki Hornet Jinko Jorou Lean Lilira Mandra Mantis Matango Mycon Neko NightM Oomu Owl Papil Satyro Soldier Tent Titania Unic VampM Wcat Wwolf Witch Yoko Pixie Inari Moth

Jungle: Alarune Ocel

Desert: Anub Apoph Balisk Gandh Genie Ghoul Sphinx Girt Grif Ignis Kheph Sand Phara Mummy Lamia

Grassland: B.Harp Harp H.Bee Nure Q.Slime R.Slime Satyro Slime Wrab

Plain: Ant Cent D.Slime G.Ant Green Holst R.Slime Mandra Mino NightM Nure Papil Q.Slime Slime Werab Wsheep Willow
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>>66215095
(cont'd)
Ruins: Anub Autom C.Sword Garg Ghost Echid Genie Golem Grem Djinn Khephri L.Mouse Litch L.Armor L.Doll Medusa Mimic Mino Mummy P.Slime Phara Phant RedC Roper Thunder Troll

Ocean: Apsa Cancer Charyb F.Kelp Merrow Mershark Mermaid Nereid Krak Otoh Scylla S.Bish S.Slime Selkie Triton Umi

Snowy: Glacies I.Queen Selkie Tsurana Wendigo W.Horn Yeti Yuki

Swamp: D.Mage G.Slug Matango M.Toad Ryu B.Slime Dorome D.Zombie Kappa Sahu Shiro Unagi Undine VampM Witch Wurm

Wetland: B.Slime Dorome D.Zombie Kappa Matango M.Toad VampM

Volcanic: Chim Hell Hine Ignis L.Golem Manticore Sala

Cemetary: Bansh Ghoul Hell Jian Skel Lich Ochi Phant RedC Wight Willow Zombie

Demon: Alp A.Imp Baph Beelz Bicorn D.Elf D.Mage Dulla Gaze D.Matter D.Slime Demon Devil Dhamp Doppl Famil Hell Imp L.Succ Lilim Succ Tent Vamp

Underground: Ant Atalach G.Ant M.Flay N.Gaunt Shogg

Heaven: Angel Cupid Houri Valk

Zipangu: Akana B.Oni Choch C.Teng Danuki Inari Ittan Jorou Kamait Karakas Kappa Kejourou Kit.B Kit.T Kunoi Neko Nura Nure Ochi Otoh Oomu Shiro Tsurana Umi Unagi Ushi Yuki Raiju R.Oni Ryu Yoko

Wonder: Alice Cheshire Dorm Humpt Jabb Jub M.Hat M.Hare Trump

Mist: Haku Hine Jian Kakuen Ren

Pandemonium: D.Angel D.Priest D.Valk

Fairy Kingdom: Fairy Kesaran Lean Titania

Cat Kingdom: CaitS

Sewer: L.Mouse B.Slime G.Slug

Special: Alp and Nightmare didn't actually have a given habitat. So they were crammed anywhere L.Succ/Succ or Cent were, respectively.
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(cont'd)
That's basically it. More detail but less applicable than the die coding system I used to generate Khinililhanth a few threads back. I could probably replicate that coding system using the habitat-monster listing, so everyone else probably can as well. To be honest I used the humble d6 to generate that one, partially because I like d6 and part because they're the ones less likely to be lost. You can by the fun little bastards in packs of 10 at a Dollar Store, so I've always got a backlog of them.

So that's done for now. What else is up, anons?
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>>66215095
>Jungle: Alarune Ocel
the lack of Amazons is disturbing, besides that, all of this looks bretty gud desu
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>>66215734
>Amazons
Thanks. Right you are. They do fit the jungle habitat, even if the MGE only lists them for forests. The mapping does need some polish. I suppose that after enough anons weigh in on it, that polish will be attained.

The real fun is in anons using it to roll a location or something. Got a Zipangu ruin in an area between volcanoes and a jungle? Bam, you can just roll it up. Feels good, man.
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>>66215320
You know, since you're asking, I was thinking if you'd be up to combine your roll system with the areas we've been trying to develop regarding kingdoms and such.
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>>66199370
>valkyrie is sitting up in the heavens waiting for her goddess to send her to guide a hero to greatness
>finally, after hundreds of years of waiting, her goddess tells her she has a job for her
>she shows the valkyrie an image of a young boy
>"Say no more, my lady. Clearly I am to raise this boy into a fine hero!"
>"Actually he's not the hero."
>"W-Wha?"
>"His daughter, born from you, will be a grand angel who defeats the coming evil. Now then, we don't know when that evil will be here, so best get to baby making."
>before she can protest, the goddess boots the valkyrie down to earth
>she doesn't want to be stuck babysitting some human boy, so the valkyrie begrudgingly gets down to business
>after several months of repeated attempts at conception, she finally gets pregnant
>she's glad she no longer has to have sex with young anon, because she was afraid she was starting to get addicted to it
>after she gives birth, she prays to her goddess telling her she finished her duty
>"What? I didn't say anything about the first daughter being the one. The divine hero is your eleventh daughter with the boy. Now get back to work. I'll, uh, I'll be watching~"
>valkyrie sits there dumbfounded, trying to come to terms with her new life
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>>66215320
>What else is up, anons?
There's always WHF's doc
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>>66211470
This makes me think, catching shogs for nobles who want maids could be a profitable (and obviously dangerous) enterprise.
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>>66216984
Sure, why not? Give me a list of ultimate criteria for a locale. Just a reasonably clear format. Don't worry about it being a complete list. Anon magic tends to fill in the gap if people just chat about the subject. Doesn't even have to be a numerical way. It all adds up eventually.
>>66218390
That's cool too, it's a good system. The major problem I have with WHF is that it doesn't fit the character point autism HERO infected me with. Every thing goes painfulwrong if you don't try to point balance in that. You don't have to succeed but you do have to try. One of the few times in life where the points really matter. Prometheusanon's super-tank people will probably need a system like that or GURPS. The latter is more popular, but I've never done it.

My autism would keep me from using my preferred balancing method on WHF without a clear translation for constants. Beware HERO, anons. Beware.

None of that stops WHFanon's take from being a well balanced system as it obviously is. WHFanon has done well. Like all game systems, just chatting about it even non-numerically adds to the anon magic. What were you thinking of specifically in the WHFanon verse?

Random thought: I had a notion that some of Vultureanon's bin has some usable tech if we can grind it down to a point where the user can easily add/subtract magic-realm from the base. Otherwise Monsterhuntanon is gonna have trouble later. The human buff is tech based and I haven't heard of a nerf for freaky mamanogonnafuckyourphysicssohardmana.
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>>66210555
Trips of inspiration.
>Be albino shog in the dark underwurldz. Be super white. Can't sneak up on adventurers to help them stealthily and gain their trust. They run immediately upon seeing you. So lonely. All margvlarts and rurlprons see you coming no matter what shape you take, so you can't catch them either. So hungry. Such is life for albino shog.
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>>66210602
Noice
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>>66217187
>I'll be watching~
I knew the chief god was corrupted by the demon lord in their battle. Her wounds probably don't heal because they're slowly turning her into a monster.
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>>66217187
To top it all off, Anon is a fanatic celibate
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>>66221377
Secretly, the the Chief God IS the DL this entire time.

If a why all the gods are 'siding' with the DL, it's why the Hero became her husband.
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I'm back again. I seem to be getting into the habit of helping out with a couple threads, and then missing the next couple of threads.
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>>66222043
That makes a startling amount of sense since the Dark god and her share almost the same monsters. Maybe they're the same person, but have multiple personality disorder?
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>>66223277
Maybe. Perhaps it was the Chief God herself that became the DL after the previous one, with the help of a Succubus.

Her being 'wounded' really is a fib, or a reference to her MPD, in reality she herself assumed the DL position as it was the Chief God who sympathized with all the lifeforms, and wished to save them from the world and its loathe.
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>>66222093
It’s cool, got some ideas to share?
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So far we got Umacta, Rodroze, Otrozeme, Yabyanka, Kolpania and Brezgeki which are for the most part known to have problems (and dealings) with the undead, goblins, orcs and ogres, leaving 3 yet unnamed kingdoms (proposing to include the Brit Fairy one into it), 5 duchies, a prince bishop's warrior monk administrated land and a free city.
The area is so far described as a mash up of Northen Europe, basically pic related is my basis from which I draw ideas for the place, the numbers were taken from a series of rollan' posts
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>>66223693
>Old DL and CG were besties
>Old DL tries to do the mamono thing, but fumbles and is about to die.
>With her last breath, Old DL asks CG to finish her life's work
>CG becomes a part-time DL, and hires one of her trusted subordinates to act as her when she's down in the Demon Realms.
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>>66223693
>the demon lord and chief god are the same person but don't even know it
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>>66225860
Sorry, I didn't explain very well. I meant "specifically list terms with fields (i.e blanks) that need to be filled in every locale". I need constraints to be able to do my style of generation. The format can be simpler or more complex than this example. Sorry about the math set theory, most of the needed symbols aren't standard on a keyboard so I use logic to link the data without them. I tried to make it clear. It probably isn't. If clarification is needed, just let me know.

Locale 0002: {Population,Geopolitics...N} **

Population {a,b,c..n} = {culture, ethnicity, gender distribution, political structure, religion ... xenophobia/philia}

culture = {art, differentiation, etiquette, group identifiers ... whatever}

Don't bother using the symbols I used, that was just to simplify. You can list it in any format you want really. The set theory just saves space and makes the idea clear for you. I simply need to know what "blanks" to fill in, otherwise I can't build and apply a die code for the field. After that point, it's all rolling and balancing values until no inconsistencies exist. No one is perfect so some may be unnoticed till later. All of it is much simpler than it sounds.

If you can fill in the top area (the line marked with **), I'll likely be able to tackle it from there. I apply frameworks consistently when possible, just try and make a list that will satisfy you if applied to each location. Other anons will chip in.

One last thing, I'll need all the pre-existing data for the setting to balance it all together. So just fill in those blanks.

Built using my 'lost' framework:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66114128/#q66132572
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66114128/#q66132596
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66114128/#q66132596
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66114128/#q66132617
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66114128/#q66132631
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/66114128/#q66132644
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>>66225021
Nothing off the top of me head, I just want to see where we are at, and then help out.
>>66225860
Let me throw out some real names that can be pulled out-
Caledonia, Prittania, Albion, Alba, Hibernia

Also you're referring to the Great North.
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>>66225963
>Only the top officials of the Order and Angels know the Grand Conspiracy
>The Order exists to keep the people together right now as a stop gap solution
>Prevent them from falling into chaos
>Chief God regrets lying to them but keeps them from the truth to protect them
>To keep them together until the day comes where she can fix monsters and have them birth males
>Then she can tell them the truth

>"I have stood knee deep in mud and bone and filled my lungs with poison gas. I have seen two brothers fall. I have lain with holy wars and copulated with the autumnal fallout. I have dug trenches for the refugees; I have murdered dissidents where the ground never thaws and starved the masses into faith. A child's shadow burnt into the brickwork. A house of skulls in the jungle. The innocent, the innocent, Young Hero, trod and bled and gassed and starved and beaten and murdered and enslaved. This is your coming century! They will eat them Hero, they will make pigs of you all and they will bury their snouts into your ribs and they will eat your hearts!"
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>>66227236
Mapanon, you came just in time to see me engage in absurd levels of demonicnumberlust autism. How's the map going, and what do those names correspond to? I suspect a revision has occurred or is in the works...
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>>66227375
Well I've switched jobs, so any changes are simply in my head. I'll have weekends free now, once my schedule stabilizes. Mainlands are split by the Sea of Knights, the north is the part you've largely been working with, which has the border with the Demon Realm.

The Dragon Isles is supposed to be the british cultured area, so it's where I'd set a fairy-type kingdom. Though for bonus points, I'd make it fantasy Ireland rather than fantasy England. I'm thinking that they'd have a rivalry with the proper Dragon Island, referencing how all serpents were banished from Ireland. Working name would be the Emerald Isle.
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>>66227236
>Also you're referring to the Great North.
No? Since I rolled those numbers I've repeatedly stated it's the northern "half" of the Order Lands
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>>66227430
>changes for the better
Good to hear, even good changes can be a bit disrupting. I can sympathize, due to a contract that's irritatingly demanding at the moment, currently at the "measure/recalculate everything at least 5 times" stage. Jittery work, but almost done.
>Continent
You might want to place some limits on what you'd accept in the Demon Realm. If not I'll place all sorts of weird geometry when/if I get there. No rush though, I'm grinding down a framework for locale building, it might take a while.
>Dragon and Emerald Isles
Oh, yes. I forgot about that island thing we worked out. Did you decide to go with the floating ones or my trans-dimensional map?
>mythic and historical elements
That's a fun bit there, using events (historic rivalry) to shape geography is a deeply neglected area. It's a fun approach with plenty of potential.
>it's all in the meat computer
See, this is a shame. I'd pick at you for not writing things down, if I weren't just as bad.
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>>66227236
>>66227637
>Bickering over the name of a very vague area on the map.
Really? C'mon anons. Let's not start this again...
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>>66227637
Sorry, misunderstood then.
>>66227743
What sort of limits? I imagine there's mostly conventional geography, it's largely like Mordor, wastelands, mountains, swamps, ashlands, haunted forests.

Not sure I saw a trans-dimensional map. I'm not against floating islands, but I think they'd need to be rare. Last time I brought it up in the thread way, way back when people were pretty hostile to the idea.

I don't worry about forgetting things much- I mostly work in concepts and fun details, and those are fun to remember. I also reuse a lot of ideas for other things. Plus I constantly pull from the well of history, and that's my major.
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Oh, my bad, well, since it's the Order Lands, for the most part, it'd be varying degrees of xeno/monsterphobia, but let's start with Umacta
It's a relatviely small Duchy with rich mines that exports most of what is mined to the other Duchies and is heavily forested as you come further south of the mountains.
Due to it's very location and surrounding mountain chain, it's historically known as one of the the natural barriers between the Demon Lord's domain and the Order Realms, and as such, has been a place where countless skirmishes happen, which explains also it's numerous cemeteries and mass graves.
Due to this, they're seen as a pious people since they're always at the forefront of the battle against demonkind, featured by the Order of Saint Grigori.
The reason such a small principate remains independent from the Council of Crowns is due to the fact that their ruling house is related to mostly everyone of importance in their neighbouring nations and some further beyond.
Also, their nobility is actually and secretly run by vampires, who are plotting to raise a Hero under their own influence through their previously mentioned political marriages (to ilustate an example, they're based on the Bene Gesserit sisterhood from Dune).
Is this example what you meant?
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>>66227308 #
Actually I'm pretty sure the post >>66217187 (You) #

Is meant to be a Valkyrie being tricked and corrupted into becoming a Dark Valkyrie.

>https://monstergirlencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Valkyrie

And it's likely the God who told or tricked that Valkyrie into being lewded and corrupted is the Fallen Goddess.

>https://monstergirlencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Fallen_God
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>>66227883
>limits
If not restricted I'd cram things like: twisted space, small but noticeable breaks in specific physical laws for localized areas, dimensional overlap, odd biomes, temporal shenanigans etc. Just a yea or nay on those would be enough.
>trans-dimensional map, floating islands
I was there for that. I thought it had merit, but it would make map making difficult due to how you wanted to scale the pocket dimensions for the islands without rope bridges, and the Savage Area (with saurians and lizards, can't recall the actual name) etc.

So I scratched out a trans-dimensional model that solved some of it. We lost steam when we hit dimensions involving deities if I remember right. The last part I remember is producing a rough draft to make dimension travel/stacking and magic use easier. You still weren't convinced by my argument for a direct one to one scale across dimensions for ease of calculation. I'm still sure I'm right about my position though. Meh.
>historian, forgetful, lots of ideas
Yup that was you. It's okay, I forget this stuff too unless it's been ground down compactly enough. That's why I remember those parts. Come to think of it, we've worked out a lot of things and never wrote them out. Didn't you have a base for a large high magic system? I went with a low magic one...
>>66228029
That's basically the result you'd get after rolling and balancing. Not what I meant though. I'll extract categories from your write-up to show what I meant.
Political Alignment: Independent
Xenophobia: Variable
Exports: Metals, minerals, lumber
Geopolitical Placement: Minor conflict
Planar: Haunted
etc
Basically, you should have a list, like the words before the colons {Political Alignment, Xenophobia...Planar}. This list is to be applied to all locales and then you roll to fill in each category with dN or whatever die you want to use. This allows for measuring/balancing each locale against another, consistent generation and alot of other things.
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>>66228093
I don't have an opinion either way, but to be fair some of those other options can still fit into the setting. It's not like we mind forks here. But yeah, I do understand the feeling of trying to foreshadow one thing and getting several different interpretations you didn't intend. One of the myriad joys of writing, yet it still gives a slight feeling like you screwed up somewhere. You should ignore that feeling, the sensation of pleased puzzlement is the patrician's pick.
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>>66228462
Vampanon here. Can confirm xenophobia is cranked to at least suspicious or it's equivalent. Everything else seems spot on though.
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>>66228093
Oh.

Well.

Its a nice thought nonetheless.

>Tfw you are a hero, shutting that foul demon down at every turn she tries and rapes ya

so she goes after your Valkyrie partner and corrupts her in a minute
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>>66228093
I still think that the Fallen goddess and the chief god is one and the same person.
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>>66229819
You!
It's good to see you're still around, have you thought on new stuff regarding vampires or other undead?
Btw, should I collect your previous vampire posts? I still have some from last year in a pastebin somewhere
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>>66228462
Maybe- I think they'd have to be very isolated- I like the idea that most of the really weird dimensional stuff is segregated into pocket dimensions- like how you have elder-scrolls Mundus and Oblivion.

pic-related is my dimensional map- purposefully simple. I don't think I remember this conversation, you sure I twas with me?
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>>66229819
Thanks vampanon, will do. Hopefully I explained the generation method adequately.
>>66230739
>pocket dimensions
Yeah I recall that part, it's connected to the scaling problem you'll have when using them. It's because your dimensions are several different sizes spatially. That's why I generated the layered dimension map framework, for ease of notation and scaling -- it would've solved your problem and risenanon's problem with a different pocket universe. I remember that map, so you were around the conversation at least. It must have been risenanon working that one out with me then. I still think that his namesake idea was brilliant.
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>>66231460
Well in terms of scale, I think it's simple if we just use the mortal plane for reference, which we can say is roughly earth sized for simplicity.

Something like Wonderland or the Savage Lands I imagine to be say continents the size of Australia or so. Heaven would be more difficult since the way I envision heaven is more like a tower than a flat land-mass.
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>>66232502
>Australia
Still too big
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>>66199370
ITT: How to take down Dragon Girls
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>>66233392
Can you even use a cannon on a 5ft flying target?
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>>66234201
Scattershot or birdshot may not always take them down, but someones gonna be plucking lead out of her scaly ass tomorrow.
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>>66234201
Modern surface-to-air/missile weapons systems? Absolutely.

>>66234242
No need. Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot with Tungsten/DU penetrator will carry the day right through her and probably out the back.

In fact its a bit overkill. You could prolly switch it out to Demon Realm Silver rounds or pepper balls to fit more with the MGE style I guess.

Would prolly hurt, prolly knock her out of the sky, but she'll live.
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>>66230739
What's the blank white circle represent?
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>>66234391
>Sabot
That's pretty freaky accuracy without craploads of tech or something like it. Or you're generally thinking in terms of an actual line of artillery?
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>>66234456

Its in reference to the aforementioned pic of a modern AA weapon >>66233392
Can do it easy.

In terms of tech it prolly won't be seen of and around the typical ren age i dont think. Unless the Order is working with some crazy magitech.
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>>66233392
I prefer flowers. Bitches love flowers.
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>>66218917
It would be as difficult as putting in a 'help wanted' ad in a newspaper.
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>>66234604
Fire flowers at her
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>>66230468
Thanks. I have but I'll wait until I'm on a proper computer to post them.
Feel free to collect them. I'm pretty sure there is a ton of proof reading I need to do over them though as many of them were made on no sleep while bleary eyed.

>>66231460
Can't wait to actually use it.
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>>66234619
I think he means the wild shoggoths who have been masterless for way too long. The kind who the more civilized and fulfilled shogs don't want to talk about in polite company or how they used to be "feral" as well.
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>>66234681
Even before the succ DL, they were made as servants so I think the hardest part would be to just find one without getting interrupted by too many things.
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>>66234242
>>66234391
>Modern surface-to-air/missile weapons systems? Absolutely.
That's the thing tho, I'm working under the assumption pic related would be the most advanced tech available
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The Demon Lord wants to free us from the cosmic shackles. She wants to free us from our "depressing existence". She wants to grant us freedom from a hopeless religion. I haven't felt less free or hopeful in my life.
I will never see my friends and family again. Even if I wanted to, I would have to face the almost certain risk of tainting them.
My thoughts are slaves to my corrupted emotions. I am forced to love what I know I shouldn't. I am forced to enjoy the abuse I take. I am forced to give up my rights by my own twisted volition.
Any passions I am allowed to pursue or indulge in are steered towards perversion. My ambitions are rewritten with a bias in favor of reckless excess and undignified devotion.

So tell me: who will save humanity from the demon who is "saving" humanity? You will not find salvation from monstrosities, but damnation from them.
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>>66234799
If its a direct hit its one less dragon.

Have the Heroes carry them around with their enhanced abilities and fire them on the move.
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>I am forced to give up my rights
You were doing well up until this, but you lost me
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>>66228029
>>66229819
Here's a revised version, and a better explanation(?). Here is our category system so far, it only contains what I derived directly from the write-up after some clarifications.
Umacta:
Exports: Metals, Minerals, Lumber
Export Transfer: High
Geopolitical Alignment: Independent
Planar: (Hel) Haunted
Xenophobia: Moderate
Government: Aristocracy
Human Religion: Monolithic (St.Grigori, Order?)
Culture: Martial
Diplomatic Influence: (weak, neighboring nations)
Internal Problem: V vs H
External Problem: Minor conflict (Demonlands)
Human Problem: Haunted, Politicians
Monster Problem: Superstitious Populace, Governance

Is this enough detail to broadly describe every given locale? That's what we're aiming for when it comes to coming up with the list of categories.

The habitat-system I came up with in this thread generates directly from a habitat -- It won't keep anything you've already done or anything that isn't directly produced by the habitat. That's a problem, and why I'm talking about the category system at all. When that's done we can just roll the non-habitat elements. I'll add the modifiers to make them fit together, or give it a good try at least.

This category system is a separate system from >>66215095 (which is a monster-habitat system). Just wanted to make that clear.
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>>66235619
(cont'd)
I'll handle the habitat one if it gets tricky, but we have to know other non-habitat elements. So, we'll all just add more categories for Umacta when we think of them. If everybody gives it a shot, it'll be easy pickins. No math skill necessary, just gotta think, "What's a category that all countries will have to use to describe themselves?" Basic blue-sky brainstorming that everyone can do.

Eventually, we'll have all the necessary categories to describe any given location in non-habitat terms.

After we have that, then any location can be rolled after cramming a code onto it. I'll help with that too. But I can't do it till we're past the category stage.

I'll add a few categories: Imports, Tech level, Education, Trade relations, Industry, Planar Distribution (among Gods), % of Natives. Give it a shot everyanon.
>>66234652
Cool. If you want a clearer example, I'll give it a shot. I calculated the habitat-gen output for Umacta:
Total population density:2/12 Sparse. 20 sapients per sq mile.
Corrupt level:6/12 Cthulhus, Max human pop is 50% of total density.
Habitat distribution (d10): Mine 60% Forest 20% Mount 10% Cemetery 10%
Diversity measure (10 is max diversity):
Mine:7 Forest:6 Mount:5 Cemetery:4,
Therefore of the total pop:
Mine: Hob 10% N.Gaunt 4% Ant 4% Dwarf 4% Arach 4% Wbat 4% = 30%
Forest: Alarune 1.5% Bicorn 1.5% Ren 1.5% Green 1.5% Owl 3.5% = 10%
Mountain: (All at 1%) Chim Cocka Griz Inari Raiju = 5%
Cemetery: Bansh 2.5% Ghoul 1.25% Zombie 1.25% = 5%

Without total sq miles of an area I can't give anything but proportional numbers.
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To all nephews who have dragon aunties. Make sure you give cummies to your aunt so she won't be destroying Order cities or be triggered and bells.
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What's a good interpretation of Kobold:
1. Reptile
2. Dog
3. Something else
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>>66234799
Thunder-crash bombs might prove useful. They're relatively easy to make and use. Your only obstacle is their fuse, but due to its accessibility, you could just use them as flak screens.
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>>66236605
What are those?
Could I get some info on them?
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>>66237872
Thunder-crash bombs were early hand-grenades made between 12th-13th century in China. They were hollow shells made out of cast iron that was filled with gun powder and fashioned with a fuse. You can also replace the basic fuse with a bamboo bomb and fill the shell with fragments of iron or porcelain to create a fragmentation grenade.
Basic, efficient and effective.
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>>66237979
Oh, neat
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>>66236331
Change cummies for gold and i’m sold
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>>66233367
How come?
>>66234242
At the very least they could work as area of denial.
>>66234415
Miscellaneous pocket dimensions- it’s meant to show there can be more pocket dimensions than the one pictured.
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>>66235310
Humans don't have any rights in monster-controlled areas. /jp/ wants to have freedom from choice.
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>>66234391
>almost 11 hours later
Noooo. God no. We still run a 7/10 on interceptor missiles and that's on targets the size of warhead capable missiles. Shrink that shit down to 5' and the best you can do is proximity detonation with a very low set distance then fire assloads and pray they don't set eachother off at any point in time and that they actually hit your intended target with a lethal blow.
P.S. this is why people are worried about NK nukes despite us having anti-missile systems in the area as 30% failure rate means 30% of their intended targets will still be nuked.
Best bet would be basic flak canons a la WWII defensive line style.
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>>66240308
I doubt the North Koreans are going to build that many nukes anytime soon though. I’m just hoping our administration doesn’t fire the first shot.
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>>66240162
Who gives a shit what /jp/ wants?
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>>66240308
Dragons don't fly at Mach 30.
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>>66240162
Citation needed.
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>>66240347
Not to make it topical but a 70% failure rate could mean something like 1 out of 2 make it through. We've been tweaking the systems since the 60's like crazy but even with modern tech and advances 70% is as good as it gets. My point is taking down a 5' mobile target with the tech is gonna be an ass and a half and probably a failure. Best just to use the russian system of quantityx20 over quality and just fill all altitudes with variable amounts of shrapnel density. Make its gimbal capable of greater than 90 degree elevation and it could also be a capable anti-personnel weapon to.
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>>66240559
Again, I’m thinking area of denial. Birdshot or airburst might not hit the target, but they would make a flier more wary of getting close.

Also a dragon would likely be in their larger form making a bigger target.
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>>66240430
That actually makes it harder.
Ballistic missiles go mach 15 which means they fly on VERY predictable flight paths that aren't susceptible to change which actually makes the interceptor missiles jobs much easier because you really can just aim where that missile should be and you run a 70% chance of hitting it.
If the target is not only small but moving slow enough that its capable of actual movement rather than roughly straight line flight this makes the interceptor missiles job MUCH harder as it's going as fast or faster than a ballistic missiles speed which makes course correction on that scale essentially impossible.
You'd have better chances with standard air-to-air at that point because it can be lead by various systems on attackers vehicle.
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>>66240600
So the whole assload of flak and auto cannons in a defensive line making a wall of shrapnel in the sky that can't be passed unscathed would be the ideal solution.
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>>66240763
Or at least A solution.
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>>66240308
>We still run a 7/10 on interceptor missiles and that's on targets the size of warhead capable missiles.

Missiles that are also going mach 2+ at very far ranges . Modern CIWS platforms can and have also been used to target and destroy incoming mortar/artillery rounds on bases in the middle east. It's said to be doable to hit a free fall bomb. When it came out in the 70's there was even rumors it could hit an incoming 4 inch naval round.
Modern weapons like that can fire 75 rounds a second and still seem to be effective so I'd say its a humongous improvement over ww2 era flak guns, which even by their standards was pretty inaccurate.
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>>66240559
>70% failure rate

No.

Not against subsonic threats
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>>66240822
The more I look into it the more that seems like it just keeps the base safe rather than something like border defense. It also seems like it would be a lot further down the tech-line in terms of basically everything it uses. You could strong arm shit like bofors using old style bombs like >>66237979 and magic to throw it really far as really all it is is a cannon that fires fast no electricity or hyper specific programming or computers needed.
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>>66240822

Also we must take into the fact that these Dragon-girls are living, breathing creatures that know fear and doubt and anger, etc. If most of her sisters fall out of the sky in pink balls of mist it would definitely put a hamper on psychological and confidence aspects.

Their best bet prolly is to stay really low to the ground, below the tree line to avoid radar and line of sight fire, which would then at least allow her to avoid getting buzzed. But know she has to deal with close ground fire and the fact that every aa device is going to see her ass in the vicinity of wherever she is. God help her if man portable AA systems can pick up DE.

She could try to turn into the Big Dragon, but that'll just make her a huge 'Please tomahawk me' symbol.
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>>66240559
I doubt that Dragons would move at Mach speeds. Two hundred knots at max, which is a piece of cake to shoot down.
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>>66240861
Well, that gets into the realm of MANPADS which miss helicopter size targets all the time because helicopters are maneuverable. Heavy SAMs don't have the maneuverability needed and medium SAMs like the rapier(what replaced the bofors) might do the job but they to suffer some accuracy issues when the target is fairly mobile and can lose the line-of-sight needed to things like bright flashes(say, from fire or flares) overloading its systems ability to find the correct target. All of these suffer issues if the target gets too low to the ground mind you.
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>>66241015
That really depends on the systems but most missile systems struggle with agile targets. The usual solution is to send out fliers of some variety of your own with on-board systems capable of guiding real time.
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>>66241159
Or you could just forsake missiles for some old fashioned auto-cannons like Bofors or something like M163.
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>>66240982
Assuming were talking about modern weapons, there'd be no reason not to.

But if were referring solely to Magic Ren age tech, then sure, every hero a hand cannon man.
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>>66240763
Not him. The scatter-shot is a neat idea, but it looses application in mid/late Ren. That's when Order conscription of monsters seems to really kick in. Ironically conscription of flyers will make those things less applicable in even a small-scale border skirmish.
>>66241219
>>66240982
>bofos
This. Breech-loading swivel guns with multiple chambers are a thing. They hit their technological stride at the 1500's at the latest.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breech-loading_swivel_gun
So we are go for ol' timey autocannons. Grape-shot munition would be asking for friendly fire, but solid shot seems feasible.

Honestly not sure about range when it comes to anti-air fire. The air skirmishes could potentially reach higher than any ground support could aid or injure. I'd sure as hell tell my conscripted flyers to stay high if the opposition was using some ground based anti-air tech.
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>>66241219
>>66241237
>settling back on bofors an hour after they were fielded as a solution
You guys held me back from baking banana bread for this...
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>>66241100
Sure, in fact helicopters have been built nowadays to hang low to the ground, below the tree line, and be able to exist without someone popping a missile up their butt.
It is nevertheless a sacrifice as it forces helicopters to play by the Air Defense's game.

The thing with agile targets is that when they become 'agile' they bleed off all their advantages in speed, aircraft/helicopters can pull maneuvers and such to avoid a threat, but they need to get the fuck outta there because now their slower, confused, lost altitude, and enemy is probably re-engaging. GTFO time.
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>>66241373
I wouldn't say settled, CIWS/Modern SAM will carry the day over classic bofors

but for the sake of the narrative modern CIWS/SAM is a bit op and would imply everyone is rolling with modern tech.

Which isn't very Ren age
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>The air skirmishes could potentially reach higher than any ground support could aid or injure.
Just give the air units the breech-loaders and enjoy early WWI era dogfights where pilots shot at eachother with pistols after both agreed to aerial fisticuffs via an exchange of shaking fists at eachother.
Or pic related if the dragons have riders.
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>>66241313
>Honestly not sure about range when it comes to anti-air fire.

Depends on what you're using, modern Russian S-300 is alleged to be able to engage and destroy ballistic missiles up to 400km

40mm Bofors can reach reach 12000m

You can throw a rock real good prolly.
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>>66241452
>Order Fighter Aces paint their aircraft in bright flashy colors to taunt Dragons into fighting them
>Markers of how many dragons shot down line the side of the canopy

>After the turn of the century
>In the clear blue skies over Lescatie
>Came a roar and a thunder monsters had never heard
>Like the screamin' sound of a big war bird

>Up in the sky, a man in a plane
>Baron von VICthofen was his name
>Eighty dragons tried, and eighty dragons died
>Now they're buried together on the countryside

>Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
>The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
>Eighty dragons died tryin' to end that spree
>Of the Bloody Red Baron of Lescatie

>In the nick of time, a hero arose
>A funny-looking kobold with a cute button nose
>She flew into the sky to seek revenge
>But the Baron shot her down "Curses, foiled again!"

>Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
>The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
>Eighty dragons died tryin' to end that spree
>Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

>Now, the Kobold had sworn that she'd get that man
>So she asked the Demon Lord for a new battle plan
>She challenged the Lescatian to a real dogfight
>While the Baron was laughing, she got him in her sight

>That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
>He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
>The Kobold fired once, and he fired twice
>And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight

>Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
>The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
>Eighty dragons died tryin' to end that spree
>Of the Bloody Red Baron of Lescatie
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>>66241544
>Germany

Missed it, missed it, missed it FUCK
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>>66241544
What did the dragons do to get shot?
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What if you were to put, like, 70 seals onto the Ushi-Oni. Would she be brought down to pacified levels?

>Hey thanks for all these seals, I can't see thing though
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>>66241722
Are we talking seals, as in Navy SEALs, or regular seals?
>>66241713
When you're in a war, there's no need for justification.
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>>66241713
Dont worry, with Dragon Zombies and all sorts of bring-back-from-the-dead-mancy and top notch medical the dragons are prolly fine.

The burial plots is more an honor thing than anything else. A symbol that. Whether the dragon likes it or not, she met her match in the air.

Now shes off to go back and fuck her husband or something.
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>>66241452
That's funny. The breech-loaders are prohibitively massive. Ren-era air units are just people at this point. There were people talking about Godzilloid-style dragons, but that's just asking for trouble. Dragons probably could carry them, but would have to carry their own shot, reload in air etc. That'd be a mess. Not as bad as the poor thumbless harpies, but still.
>old school pistol air combat
It'll probably be this, with swords till the late 1800's. Harpies are now slightly less screwed. Good for them.
>>66241453
Eagles fly around 15K ft ~ 4572 m. We can consider that a rough upper limit for flyers without special equipment. The era weaponry side of it is the uncertainty. Also, that was pretty funny.
>>66241588
It's fine, no one's flipping out over it poetryanon. Chill. Too bad we don't have aircraft yet. I'm thinking it's flyers and flyers with people on their backs. It's alright though, poetic license covers it. Geez, I just realized that wyvrens probably have a fetish for saddles. Can't unthink that one, and it applies to the Order. Argh.
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>>66241746
Unless you lose, as the Germans found out.
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>>66241713
What >>66241769 said. I'll add that the munitons in the Ren can still be blocked by standard armor like a cuirass, assuming the rate of fire isn't too high. Funnily enough, humans might be the ones that need to worry, if you raise a human from the dead you get a monster.
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>>66241807
Shhh, you can just blame someone else for you poor decisions after the war ends.
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>>66241746
As in the seal parchments that they wear over their eye, put one on her other eye, and then dozens more everywhere else.

But now it makes be think of something fantastic, the idea of highly trained soldiers from our world being on the cusp of heroification if the enter into the MGE realm. All they have to do is be at one of those special sites and BAM.
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>>66242188
>Portal opens but the powers that be have a lid on this
>Send a team in and see what happens
>Four-man team in CBRN suits enter with testing equipment and a camera
>Post up on a hillside, watching what appears to be monsters training in a clear
>"Bro, look at that! Fucking surreal dude."
>Suddenly, Team Leader begins huffing, rubbing his neck.
>"Ey Skipper, you alright?"
>Team Leader begins to panic, flailing violently, "Fuck. Fuck! It feels like I'm on fire!"
>Begins tearing his PPE and fighting equipment off, grabbing his temples
>"Awwww shit! Fuck! Fuck!" He shrieks, violently contorting himself
>"Jesus fuck, somethings got Skipper!" Another member moves to try and prevent the Team Leader from removing the rest of his PPE. In a sudden movement, faster than the blinking eye, he shoves his member tot he side with incredible force, his eyes erupt in a bright magnesium-like flame.
>Monsters hear the commotion, begin wandering closer to their hillside
>"Were drawing alotta fucking attention!" Another member says.
>The Skipper roars, a piercing low noise that vibrates the air around them
>In one swift motion, he shears his rifle apart with supernatural force and crumples to his knees
>"Oh shit! Oh shit! Its happening to me too!" Another says, almost instinctively trying to pull off his equipment before hesitance kicks in. Eyes beginning to glow.
>"Fucking shit. What are the specimens doing?" One asks his remaining teammate.
>"They're…kneeling. They're praying…?" As he observed, the tiger and reptilian-like monsters had knelt on a knee, bowing their heads and offering some sort of humming.
>The other two could feel that heat settle in, the fire sear at their skin.

>The Skipper rises, muscles expanded, height grown to massive proportions, he bellows, "I am the avatar of Ares, I am the manifest made of flesh!"

All SOF guys pop positive with their Hero Midichlorians and upon contact with the holy(or DE) energy they get pushed over the edge.
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>>66242204
>not alping immediately
Or am I thinking of a different military branch?
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>>66242596
Prolly spot on

Clearly this shows the Navy is the most heretical branch
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>>66242188
I don’t think being a hero depends on how fit you are.

On that note though, what would be the rules for being a hero?
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>>66243192
>I don’t think being a hero depends on how fit you are.

I don't think commandos do either, more often than not a prerequisite, but nevertheless.
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>>66243192
Chief god said so.
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I'm thinking of using a Prussian Army expy for the Order further down the timeline, good idea?
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>>66243740
Why not
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>>66243910
Looking for era military with lots of background info. Not sure.
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Assuming a werewolf-pack captures a man, do they sanction him off with a mate, or does he become a mate of the entire pack.

Does either happen?
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>>66245121
Alpha male gets the alpha female as a mate followed by any of the other females if he feels like it and has time. Beta male of the pack gets nothing.
Basic wolf pack hierarchy.
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>>66245225
>Basic wolf pack hierarchy.

Only in zoos, where humans have artificially shoved a group of wolves together. You do know even the guy that did that study said that his study was shit and based off bad data because he was studying too limited a pool of wolves.
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What about if a dude asserts dominance over the pack leader, but then just tells all of them to shove off.

No sex for anyone.
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>>66245259
That's actually how the wild grey wolf packs function right now....
Originally it was thought only the alpha male and female bred but it was discovered that the beta through mid-rank females would breed with the alpha male, albeit rarely, but their offspring would end up being lone wolves usually who may or may not be adopted into other packs. The beta male of the pack is 2nd in line hierarchy-wise for males and takes over the leadership role when the alpha is away and is also the first to confront any danger to the pack they are however not allowed to breed. The theory is that because the packs tend to be closed off from accepting in lone wolf additions barring very rare occasions, usually involving a female, and that the beta male is usually one of the alpha-alpha pups this fends off issues of incest which is already a common enough problem in wolf packs in general due to the over all shut off nature and social dynamics present inside them. Odd tidbits of note when the alpha dies the beta steps into the alpha position and a mild fight for beta begins with the current/next batch of pups and so they get further into genetic issues until the rare distant relative female lone wolf shows up and is allowed in.
Tl;dr it's an up to date statement on pack dynamics and it fends off the insane likelihood of your son being the guy boning your wife.
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>>66245379
Pleasure denial is a form of kink, so they'd be ok with it until they're not
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>>66245379
In wolves? The whole pack fucks you up. You either:
A. Assert dominance over the alpha, take his place so the old alpha leaves the pack, and proceed to put the beta in his place.
Or
B. Beat the alpha in what would be an assertion of dominance, chicken out halfway and don't take his spot, then enjoy the entire pack hunting you down for attacking them for no damn reason.

Mamano-wise I imagine unless you take the seat you're just asking for a good old fashion family beat down on your ass before they move on.
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>>66245432
>That's actually how the wild grey wolf packs function right now....

It's not. That's the incorrect discovery of L. David Mech's 'The Wolf'. A book that the author himself has disavowed as incorrect. Mech, L. David. (1999) is a much more modern study that is actually studying wild wolves over the course of 13 years. In situations where humans are not forcing various wolves into cages, wolves tend to wander off and find a mate. The 'Alphas' in a pack are the parents of the rest of the pack, with the majority children wandering off when they get older. There is no evidence of a dominance-based situation there.
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>>66245534
I'm just going off a recent study of grey wolf social structure in wild packs and how its causing infertility due to incest finally hurting them brought on by hunting opening up for them and the need for people to know that they really can't just breed back the numbers like deer can, anon. I'll go find it again because maybe I misread it but it seemed pretty clear cut on the whole alpha male being the only one who bred and loner males being aggressively driven off and beta males aggressively kept in place.
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>>66235641
Oh, I think I'm getting the hang of what you meant, will post later an attempt from another land
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>ywn have a war fought between rivaling petty queendoms over who gets your hand in marriage.
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>>66246814
>bicorn says both
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>>66245442
And then they'd have to assimilate to the PIETY
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>>66242596
>>66242718
>Seal team sex
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little boy? 'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the Order, and I have over 300 confirmed ejaculations.
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>>66247418
is this piety as in religious piety, or piety as in medieval "pity"?
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>>66246521
Take your time, we will grind it into usefulness. Hell, even my numbers are off at >>66235641. Here is the correction.
>Forest: Alarune 1.5% Bicorn 1.5% Ren 1.5% Green 1.5% Owl 4% = 10%
Owls are 4% of total forest population not 3.5%. I had to round things into shape there. You'll notice that there aren't any native Vamps -- they are native to Demonlands which don't form the habitat for Umacta.

This is a clear example of why just the habitat system isn't enough and why we must scratch out the category system. It's not numberautism on my part. Not yet anyway.
>>66247418
The Order: Chastity for the NEET God!
>>66248628
Good pun, and literally my favorite type of blade. As horny as mamano are, they'd find their way to a "stroke of mercy" of one sort or another. The ubiquitous demon silver used everywhere would probably make it end in the same way. Honestly we've gotta cram some discipline on monsters to make them usable. I'll look through an entry and try to put it into a barrack or garrison environ. Everything is fine until sudden resting rapeface.
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>>66246814
I think this is an underrated fetish that's ready to break out soon.
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>>66248956
Where at, and is this human or monster queens?
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>>66248628
Probably both, pity for the monster that is now sweating bullets at being forced to abide by chastity. Truly a monster's worst nightmare.
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>>66249054
I mean the armor certainly doesn't suggest holy human warrior to me.

I would think that feuding Overaldies would probably happen around the territory of the Demon Lord's client-states. She'd crack down on border-conflicts in her direct demense, but on the frontier, especially as conquered land would be given, most likely, to the general who conquered it, you'd see such feuds-
>have qt childhood friend
>the war with the demons moves the front to your hometown
>you get separated from your qt childhood friend
>years later you are a footsoldier for the Order
>you're stationed in a little nothing town far enough from the front to warrant little excitement
>then a rampaging horde swarms your locations, and qt childhood friend has become a demon general, and has come to make you her King
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>>66248862
>Honestly we've gotta cram some discipline on monsters to make them usable.

Controlled fear and a collective identity. Instill an intrinsic respect for their peers and their commanders and to find their purpose in whatever thing they find themselves in.
A Monster needs to know if she tries any stupid shit she'll get her ass humiliated, but this is fine because this is the same for everyone, no fuckery allowed. All for the motherland, etc.

I'm sure you can mix some hardened orderite fanatics(without anything that can kill) in with any new monster rookies to quickly wipe the 'Imma fuck that one over there' mentality out.
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>>66249179
I also feel like there's an instinctual drive to follow the strongest monster. So long as the generals can display their ability to stay on top, they get to stay on top.
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>>66249220
You could probably extend this to the officers/captains/sergeants/etc. as well, who are going to need to assert very quickly that they are the biggest lads in the room, they are the ones to talk to, etc.

If monsters and non-monsters are going to expect to be working side-by-side, the entire non-monster army is going to have to be able to go toe-to-toe, can't have anybody being a liability now.
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>>66249136
That makes a frightening level of sense. The interrogations would be weird as all hell.

>You are a mid-level Order commander captured by the demon army. You are chained and bound in a chair. You brace yourself when the interrogators come followed by their Queen. You mustn't give away secrets! Their questions are strange though. No one asks about your widely know detachment to high priority locations. Or the top-secret magi-tech instillation that was your last posting. Or even information about your equally well ranking comrades in the Order. Why are all of their questions about a dirthole village that only has 2 horses? Who the fuck is this latrine digging private they keep asking about? The bizarre nature of the questions rustles some responses from you. No you don't keep track of privates. What does it matter that he grew the best beets in Walchovigradivich? Beets are a shit vegetable, who cares? That last comment of yours brings the only slap during the entire interrogation. You spit blood in anticipation, now it really starts.

>Though confused, you're happy to leave them unsatisfied at whatever this strange game is, but brace yourself for the serious questions. The ones of military importance. They'll ask any minute now since their tactics of asking nonsense questions haven't shaken you. Code texts, strategy, blueprints! Or not. More questions about some beet-farming private, you can't and won't answer. They just walk out. You spend the remainder of the war in a cramped but livable cell without being asked anything else. Later, you learn that the war stopped upon the capture of private beet-farmer.
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>>66249470
Thank you. I'm also imagining how potential rivals would work on this- do you capture the beet-farmer to gain an upper hand over a rival general? Or do you let her waste resources on her personal quest, knowing she'll settle down once she finds her one and only penis? Or- do you fear that she'll become that much more ambitious as she seeks to carve out her own personal fiefdom?
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>>66249179
This all sounds pretty good, but there's a learning curve that will be pretty rough. We aren't even talking insubordination or that sort of thing. I mean more like Private Gob is seriously fixated on Private Dude and snaps after months of model behavior as a good recruit. Snapping and trying to rape someone in an instinctual fugue is normally an automatic discharge.

Another thing is, you can't punish away an instinctive behavior linked to a survival drive. I'm thinking mandatory hand-holding with randomized partners among the troops to make sure the monster personnel get enough human mana to not flip out. Gonna need some feedback on this one -- I might have finally lost it anons.
>follow strongest monster
This would work, but we to grind out the sudden rape in the strong monsters. We'd have to nip it in the bud for the rank and file before they move into leadership.
>>66249390
All of this. I might have to make humans have A LOT more mana than monsters just so they can balance them out during battle. Otherwise things could quickly fubar.
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>>66249657
I still figure that Humans use advantages in numbers, tactics, logistics, rather than having to go one-on-one with a monster.
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>>66249470
I wonder if this is a issue both order and DE have to deal with when a queen slime decides to expand
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>>66249563
It could go a lot of ways couldn't it?
>capture beet-farmer
You could likely get her to fold her command into yours in exchange for Pvt. Beet. She might even be grateful if you captured him from someone else.
>waste resources
Pvt. Beet the stalking horse used to control the opposition's movements might be doable.
>she wants to spoil Pvt. Beet
Beet farming is now mandatory in the entire country. You dare speak ill of beet? Heresy! Farmland for the Beet-Lord! I'm almost tempted to write more on Pvt. Beet.
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>>66249802
I'd like to imagine she has beets with everything she eats and no one knows why
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>>66249691
>balance them out
Oh I meant balance out the monsters in their own forces. Sorry bout that. Since monster rapey-ness is due to lack of human mana, keeping them fed so they don't snamp is what I meant. Since humans use mana for magic and feeding monsters I'm going to have to give humans a Crap load of mana compared to monster. I think. Not absolutely sure yet, might be a better way. Fubar was the Order monsters starving during mid-battle and jumping the bones of their comrades.
>>66249795
>Queen slime expand
Could you clarify?
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>>66249795
>DE having an issue with slimes expanding
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>>66249887
Yeah, that's more likely. The hyperbole was pretty fun though.
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>>66249657
>Snapping and instinctive behavior

I see, snapping and 'sexual meltdowns', I'll call them, would be different. The aforementioned post was more about ensuring a base of loyalty and respect, making sure no demographic looks down on or belittles another(something I feel like would very much be a problem without every demographic of the combined force being on equal grounds but I'll leave that alone). This would go the same for Orderites, or even between sub-species of monsters(which actually might be the most prevalent issue).

I can see sexual meltdowns being in a different aspect, as the way I am interpreting it, its practically an act of psychotic outburst more than anything. Despite it being something closer to a monster's 'base instinct', she'd consciously not want to hurt her friends and loved ones.
I suppose you could compare it to humans and 'rage', which can cause them to do dangerous and murderous things but not consciously conclude on hurting their friends and loved ones.

So out of curiosity, what would a Monster 'snapping' look like? I'd guess somewhere in the ballpark of 'rape' but I'd also guess it be more 'lustful' than 'tormenting', if that makes sense. Especially with their newly Order-instilled customs.

ie. more "I'm sorry anon, I can't help it. Get over here.' than outright sadism.
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>>66250310
>than outright sadism.

*as opposed to outright sadism.

Which I would feel is pretty anti-MGE
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>>66250310
"Sexual meltdowns" it is. It would basically be a psychotic outburst that would only stop once the monster had taken/received a sufficient amount of human mana. I'd agree with the not consciously wanting to hurt kith and kin, but mistakes do happen. Claws are claws no matter how much you care.

I've got a token system. It's a buffer that allows human mana to monster transfer without monsters becoming physically/magically attached to the donor a la mating. That's the reasoning behind the hand-holding idea or something equivalent. But people do have favorites even if it isn't official. I'm cramming a social attachment model on top of it to keep people from playing their characters as fishmalks, it'll have to be incentivized someway.

Monster sexual meltdowns would be weird slightly alien and very persistent attempts to sexually harass someone. That's at the lowest level, assuming some self control. No means no, if you've got the mana and transfer it. If it doesn't stop upon transfer, that's not something that can be waved away under an biological excuse.

But what if the human's mana pool is lacking, he burned away the pool's point in the battle? He's someone's favorite, if she has a meltdown... Taking the mana directly from the body is the basic instinctual mamono drive anyway. Even worse the mana pool gives the resistance against monster/incubization. Dangerous territory there, even normal customs of mana transfer wouldn't help at that point. The buffers regulate transfers of mana, not body points converted into mana.

Like hunger, not satiating it will worsen whatever ability the mamono has to regulate it across time. This could potentially get pretty nasty.

It's still rudimentary, feel free to blue-sky/critique it if you've any thoughts.
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>>66250543
Also wanted to add that the conversion of body to mana would naturally be more inefficient, so she'd end up taking much more than via the buffer system. This would make the victim more likely to transform.

Buffer protocol/device failure is also a potential problem too. The human and monster trade equal points of their types of mana, the monster mana is supposed to go into the buffer, the human mana can be held in the buffer or go to the monster.

On second thought, I don't want to deal with buffer overflow magic accidents past a certain point. I'm going to revise it now to: the monster mana being made neutral when it's in the buffer and is matched with a equal human mana. That solves several problems, otherwise, the tokens would fill with mamono mana and be hazardous waste eventually.
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>>66250543

>On a wagon train, a young footman lazes on the back of one of the wagons dozing off in the summer heat
>About to fall asleep when two paws grapple his shoulders from behind, jolting him awake
>He twists and turns backward to get a view of whoever grabbed him before the smiling face of a wolf beastman appears from under the canvas
>"Catch you dozing off Siegfried? I tell the Sergeant and you'd be on a whipping post in ten minutes." She jeered, but only got a chuckle from the young man
>"You mean both of us on a post, your on the sentry as much as I am and at least I'm actually looking like I'm on post." He shifts slightly to peer backward. "What are you doing back there anyway?"
>"Thinking." She mused, her paws had yet to leave his shoulders.
>Siegfried shook his head, "That can't be good, when you start thinking Hilda, things start going downhill fa-"
>Siegfried feels himself yanked backward, back into the noticeable chest of his compatriot, her paws snaking around his front to join over his torso.
>"I've been thinking about us. Thinking about what futures each of us will have."
>A low growl was barely suppressed in the wolf-girls voice, arms tightening around Siegfried
>"You smell so lonely Siggy, nobody should live like that."
>Siegfried quickly pieced together this sudden affection from his friend. The physical exertion today, the long marches, the hot summer day, he felt a warm and damp breath hit his neck.
>"You trust me, dont'ya?" She whispered.
>Quickly Siegfried reached into his pocket, and whipped out a peculiarly unmelted chocolate bar.
>"Hilda." He plainly stated. "Your not yourself when you're hungry."
>He pries a paw off his torso and puts the candy in her grasp

>"Eat a snickers."
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>>66250788
Hah. Very good. All of the yes. This is the basic idea. I was going to have the buffers be personally made miscellaneous items, but decide to make them small stones whose shape and color relate to the social framework. So everyone will have a sack of colorful magic sex rocks. Other than that, yeah. Thanks, I have a bit of trouble imagining the stuff in a social instead of mechanical way. Writing a story does help sometimes.
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>>66243192
I don't think there are any rules for that.
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>>66243192
Being blessed by the gods or surpassing the human limiter?
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>>66249802
Like I said- overladies are an undervalued fetish just waiting to break out. There's so much potential for a warlord waifu.
>>66249935
I could imagine that humans have better mana tanks than monsters that don't specialize in magic.
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When monsters are able to birth humans there's no reason to choose human women over them if you want to benefit humanity.
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>>66254746
>When monsters are able to birth humans
That sounds boring and too magical realm-y.
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>>66254959
What if you transport a woman's eggs into a monsters womb so she gives birth to humans?
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>>66254988
And that's just silly. Could just as well try breeding dogs through dolphins.
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>>66255033
The best case solution: encourge women to have plenty of children and monsterize them once they reach menopause.
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>>66255060
And we're back at square one.
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>>66255060
Absolutely not, especially if she didn't consent to it. Corruption fags always want to force it on the poor girl.
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>>66255142
>>66255342
It's optional if she wants it. That way you can squeeze the maximum amount of offspring out of one woman.
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>>66255142
Ah, not quite. By doing this you get a temporal gap in the populations while: A.increasing human births, and B.expanding the utility (and arguably happiness) of your workforce. It goes without saying that I'm for it being optional.
>>66254121
>potential
Quite true, it's a very fitting example of mamono behavior. It's near to human behavior but swerves off in somewhat disturbing stalker-ish way. Just right for monsterkind. Also that's a lovely pic. Tempting, but by Crom, I will have my own throne!
>superior human mana tanks aren't OP
Glad to know that I'm not breaking suspension of disbelief with that. I'm thinking of applying the buff across all trained humans. It can probably be even more reasonable by limiting mamono mana tanks on reproductive grounds. I.e Mamono have the same amount of mana tank potential as humans, but a portion of it is locked to build up fertility. Hmm. Yes the point autism is satiated. That'll be implemented.
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>>66255473
>superior human mana tanks
Now I'm motivated.
>mana retention among women is not dependent on chest size despite the age old myths
>myths the Sabbat as fought against for generations
>to no avail
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>>66255473
That could work- though I imagine that mana wouldn't help the average soldier much- he probably won't be casting any spells.
>>66255831
Okay, so it's now canon that Sorceresses and such refer to their honking tits as their mana tanks.
>Be evil demon sorcerer
>Fight band of hero's
>They are getting the upperhand, but haven't won yet
>Use spell of pedomorphisis on self
>Tell them you depleted your mana tanks completely in the fight
>Tell them you are helpless loli that just wants headpats
>Enact evil plan when you become party mascot
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>>66254121
Also- I'm betting in this universe the skulls are all fake-

What little monster culture there was revolved a lot around the use of skulls. This got grandfathered into modern monster culture, but monsters who aren't undead are extremely squicked out by actual skulls and bones. So there's a very large decorative skull industry in the Demon Ream for use of decoration.
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>>66250788
>giving chocolate to the canid-type
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>>66257940
Now you understand.
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>>66255831
>the Sabbath is crying in a corner somewhere
Human superiority may not be down to rack size, but I might cram this notion in somewhere. I'd randomly generated a Order squad (in modern terms: 2 fireteams, 1 Staff Sergent, 1 Warrant Officer). A witch came up on the gen. for Warrant Officer. I made her a Sabbath defector, WO-1(Magic/Tech). That might be just the thing to tweak her character.

Don't know what the hell to do about some of the rest of the output:
E-2(Prvt): Dark Angel, Kitsune-Bi
E-1(Prvt): Sea Slime
I try to stick with rolls, cuz autism. It'll be interesting, at least. Anyone want to imagine how badly this can go?
>>66256117
>average soldier
In my setting, the average soldier knows magic and uses spells, currently it's all of the burn mana to reduce difficulty or increase successes to a given point. So, low-magic in a nutshell. I'm kicking around a high magic system for stronger effects. It'll be gained by receiving a ritual token from a given God's cult -- that's what I'm planning anyway.
>boob myths for fun and profit
This can be a thread thing, I can tell. Just enough synchronicity, which is a good thing. I suppose myths involving testicular size and male mana pools would be another "logical" folk idea.

>"It was crazy, Corporal Lewin leaped on top of a Yig-spawn and mana-blasted it in the face."
>"With balls like that, there's no way there was anything left, right?"
>"Of course not. We had to march back covered in snake innards though."
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>>66256172
>fake skulls
Not him. I'd think so, what the hell would barbarian's know about ergonomics? Everyone knows fake skulls are better on the back. The Undead might be squicked out by it as well. The ones that can divide and multiply, that is.
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>>66258420
I'm pretty sure all of them can multiply.
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if you're attacked by a monster. play dead they might live you alone!
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>>66233392
Demon silver flechettes coated in manticore venom.
You still get monstered, but at least you get to pick the monster.
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>>66259140
>wolf-girl was nutte satislived by the treatere you gavenouted her
>proceed to play dead
>yowls of anguish and sad whines fill the camp for the next several hours and well into the night because she won't even let the damn medics take away the "corpse"
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>>66259578
>wolf-girl was nutte satislived by the treatere you gavenouted her
Anon, are you having a stroke?
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>>66259638
No, anon. I'm just old and quoting old forgotten memes apparently.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/snacklish?full=1
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>>66259638
Eye thynk hys emutayting ye olde Ynglysh (I think he's imitating the old English). Nah it's probably a stroke. I looks like he made it through to the other side of it.
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>>66259693
The last snickers meme I remember is the whole "question" thing. It went from feeling hungry to feeling ___. Hot mess, salty, shady, are all I can recall. They had different flavors for some of them.
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How should I incorporate monster girls into OSR?
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>>66259140
If you're attacked by a monster, you have to shove a snickers bar down her throat because she's not acting herself.
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>>66259828
It was a site snickers made a little over a decade ago as a joke. You could put in text and it would get translated into Snacklish. Sadly the site itself is long dead otherwise I'd have made something relevant to the text.
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>>66259860
Answers depend on context, what would you actually want to aim for as an end goal? Without knowing we'll probably point you towards writing one up or using WHFanon's system -- it's the most documented here.

WHFanon's system
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-khJ4fE5v2MyrumyZoauEJ4VIucMO-kP1MGHNVtaDkc/edit
>>66259907
Huh, don't remember that.Strange, since I'm old too.
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>>66258096
Ah, didn't know you were doing it for a setting of your own-

I just want to remind people we discussed using terms like Vanilla for the KC setting, and Mint Chocolate Chip for the thread setting.
>>66258420
That's the other thing. An actual skull thrown would be really uncomfy.
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>>66260255
What does that Hellhound going to do with that innocent Kobold?
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>>66217187
>Valkyries being the image of militarized purity that persists in the Order that people don't get one thing.
>They don't 'make love or 'do whoppee'.
>They FUCK.
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>>66260524
>Valkyrie fucking shakes the earth
>Puts Ushi-Onis to shame
>The power
>The stamina
>The sheer ferocity

>They say Valkyries take in boys and turn them into heroes
>Because who ever can survive such an onslaught of a sexual encounter will be forged in power
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>>66260947
>They say Valkyries take in boys and turn them into heroes
>Valkyries take in boys
>Ara ara~
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>>66260336
Spend quality family time.
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>>66256117
>it wasn't intentional
>Sabbath sorcery aturally lolifies you
>she had started burning through all of them in desperation against the heroic group
>side objective of evil plan is getting your rocking bod back because the most you can seduce out of people now is sweets
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>>66260336
Teach it some tricks
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>>66260325
My setting is compatible with Mint Chocolate's premises afaik.
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>>66264914
Well how are you differentiating it?
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>>66265133
Systematically. In all seriousness, that's just an excuse to use pic related. My recall of MintChocolate is kind of hazy. Had a four or five month hiatus (work) before checking on the thread within the last couple of months. Care to give me a brief rundown? I may as well try and keep things compatible with baseline.
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>>66261192
The uptight and by the books kobold older sister trying to teach her rude and violent hellhound younger sibling how to be civil and proper in orderlands
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>>66265354
It's just the version of the setting we have with the thread- things have been going on for like 250 years, things are roughly renaissance tech, the map that we use is the one that we use, magic is split into arcane, profane, divine, and elemental, and humans make up for disadvantages with logistics and strategy.
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>>66265552
So mostly the same. Good, just making sure. I was wondering about the structure of the Order. We hadn't nailed it down back then, anything on that front?
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>>66265692
Just some loose stuff- the Order is a bunch of separate nations unified by religion, fighting a crusade against the demons- there's a war-council to keep people working together, knightly orders, and the inquisition.
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>>66265840
Thanks, so it's a bit more detailed than earlier. I just remembered that there were a few maps floating around, which one is standard MintChoc?
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Tell me what kind of foxes you hope KC makes, or at least something you would like to see fleshed out?
>Fennecs have smaller bodies, yet very large ears. Despite their size, they are hardy and resourceful folks. Not very trustworthy. Have been known to steal.
>Silver foxes come from a region further east from the kikimoras, but not as far east as Zipangu. They too come from a harsh environment, but for some reason they are very friendly, especially around humans.
>Arctic foxes aren't as amicible as silver foxes, and are even hardier than them, but they aren't incapable of social interactions and making deals. They are the fluffiest of them all.
>Kumihos are treacherous beings that like to mimic their other fox cousins. They are the most tricky and ferocious of all the foxes because, unlike youkos, their intentions and identity aren't very obvious. They like to manipulate their husbands, but ultimately they do care for them.

Also unrelated shitpost material here so that the anon shitposting my shit onto /jp/ has an excuse to repost there.
http://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1556880156648.webm
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>>66260965

>Everybody thinks Valkyries are chaste
>Not realizing the ferocious sex rampages that go on in Valhalla's orgies every night
>Turns out both sides of the fight have an appreciation for the more earthly pleasures
>Keep quiet about it for the most part, but anyone that works close with Valkyries finds out sooner or later

>There is a boy of the church
>A particularly gifted boy
>Every nun and monk knows the youth is vibrant with lollygagging and 'spirit'
>Most can barely recite their scriptures
>But not this young lad, he took his vows and his services very seriously
>As time went on he grew to be very big boy, with a very big temper at times
>Some lucky boys just have a talent for violence after all
>His fervor for his vows did not waver
>Already attracted the attention of the Warrior Angels almost right as he reached puberty
>"The fire of Ares burns in this one. Put this boy under my charge for the glory of the Gods." They would say.
>The boy at first seemed motivated to be trained by the very angels themselves, until he saw the Nights in Valhalla
>The sheer disgust in his face, the view of such things he'd call a blasphemy
>He never spoke, but his eyes screamed abomination

>Most Valkyries craved to train a boy like him, and yet he turned them away
>Not that that would dissuade them
>But the more keen of eye see training him as a dangerous path
>We fight against the monster, pray we never create one in the process.
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What is succubus warrior-husband training like? Combat sexual techniques?
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>>66267266
The chad charmer
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>>66266548
So, Anakin Skywalker is in thread now? Neat.
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>>66265905
This one. >>66227236
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>>66270647
Do you have a plan to stack it with WHFanon's?
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>>66270713
Nah, that's a separate setting since WHFanon is clearly doing his own thing.
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>>66270852
Fair enough, just curious.
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>The Order tutors had made it clear that Farid's high natural talent for Divination wasn't an excuse to slack. The studious boy hadn't tried to, but his lack of interest in some of the mandatory elements of the Order's curriculum had gained him plenty of scars that could've been avoided. Baldren, the grizzled but still powerful Combat Proctor, had personally given his entire class permission to punch Farid if anyone caught his eyes defocusing during combat exercises.

>The old bastard had been fair though, Farid could block and counterattack with just as much impunity. The old balding Armsman had cackled during midterm when Farid had learned to sucker his classmates into attacking him and came out on top in more than half of the scuffles.

>At this point, Baldren had managed to ruin Farid's short lived happiness by asking him to actually answer divinations after each scuffle. It was much easier to fake the defocused sleepy expression of a divination than to actually block during an real divination. So Farid had been faking, Divination was a different class than Combat. He hadn't thought it would matter. He regarded his classmates anxiously.

>Farid had made sure to hit Alyosha in the same spot for the last 3 attacks, the older boy had a gained several nicknames for his usually blackened left eye. The boy's grin at Farid's discomfort spoke of repayment with interest. Alyosha had slid closer in anticipation of Farid's distraction, his large pale fist already clenched.

>It had taken nearly a solid month for Farid to learn to block and counter-attack during actual Divination. Alyosha consistently aimed for his right eye. When Farid had begun to give right answers and block & counter-attack well enough to come on top more than half the time, both he and Alyosha had gained black eye related nicknames -- along with a grudging friendship between them.
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>>66270315
>"You with her! You brought her here to rape me!"
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Elfanon has good taste.
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>>66274334
Do demihumans even count as monsters?
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>>66274565
We accept you for who you are libracedesu.
>>66274678
Most of them have the same hypersexuality and can't produce male offspring. So that's a yes. There are some Elves that have yet to become mamano, but it's pretty slim. All Dwarves and Dark Elves are mamano at this point though.
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>>66274678
What few remain don't but many have become monsters through misfortune or subterfuge.

Never trust a horned person no matter how friendly they seem.
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>>66275156
>spoiler
Even the cows? That milkman seems suspicious now that I think about it. Always smiling and waving her uh goods around. Yammering on about how she wants me to help her at the farm making milk or something. Thanks for the warning anon.
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>>66274939
>>66275156
>Most of them have the same hypersexuality and can't produce male offspring. So that's a yes.
That's actually where my question was going with, the ones counted as monsters are succubi, so I was wondering if or what particular diferences would be in non-monsterized dwarves and elves
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>>66275809
Afaik there are no non-monsterized female dwarves. As for elf au natural, there's little to go on. 'High amounts of magic', isolationist, pointy eared, xenophobic snobs that think their better than humans. That is the gist of the entry. Kind of bare. I've got nothing in my mental Rolodex so far. Care to brainstorm on it?
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>>66275270
Good instincts.
I'll personally go check out the holstaur in question myself but an untrained individual such as yourself should stay away.
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>>66275986
That's the thing tho, I'm thinking on separate stuff divergent from KCs setting, for example, Dwarves aren't exctinct (yet), Elves are related to fairies, Ogres are related to giants (or rather, by now they're distant descendants who became their own thing) and so on
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>>66274678
No- elves and dwarves and others are like humans. People are still racist too them of course, but everyones required to get along.
>>66275270
Some monsters get to be second class citizens.
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>>66276902
I'm all for the inclusion of giants as a demihuman race.
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>>66277450
So what, humans are giantlets?
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>>66277968
The DL decided to make the giants giantlets since cyclops are only a head taller then the average human now.
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What do you guys think of this story? https://pastebin.com/CmqRRdE2/
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>>66276902
Got any plans to do this an ordered way? Overreaching themes or some central idea?
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>>66278901
It's what I've been already using for the thread's setting actually, with the French Elves, Dwarves going into seclusion so the humans take over their lands (sans mountainhomes), the Bene Gesserit vampires and so on
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>>66278677
Very strong sense of drama and pathos you've got there. Those parts are so intense that making them bleed into the interspersed other structures would remove the stilted sense from them. That's clearly within your capabilities. Notice that the process of resolution, Anon's ease with "the search", seems a bit stilted? That's why. I know you were covering a lot of ground, but thought to mention it.

Ambitious, must have taken a while to structure it in a regular seeming way. Nice interweaving of different classes of structure. Last bit, the "setting data" type chunks are a bit off, with the same probable cause. You'd get better feedback at /lit/ to be honest. Thanks for sharing.
>>66279110
How Bene Gesserit are they if you don't mind me asking? Full complement of skills?
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>>66277968
Insomuch that Humans are really big dwarves.
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>>66279426
>How Bene Gesserit are they if you don't mind me asking? Full complement of skills?
Not as OP as the original, basically they function the same by marrying off their offspring to every influential family or descendants/kinsmen of previous Heros in order to spawn one of their own to topple the current DL so vampires can rule next, originally Greater Umacta being the region that encompassed Umacta, Rodroze and Otrozeme, a trumvirate of vampire ruled Duchies/Principalities each with it's own ruling house, also, each of them looking to subjugate the others, which explains why their master plan is taking longer to come to fruition.
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>>66280216
cont.
Also bearing mention, the ones being married off are obviously living kin of the vampires, them being the matriarchs of their houses, vampirism being the reward for a successful life that gave their family and edge over other vampires or to make the master plan advance.
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>>66280216
They sound more like Honored Matres. When can we expect the shortening of the way, a century or so after they seize the DL's throne? I forget the term for it but do they apply a sort of conditioning to the males, or females for that matter?
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>>66280297
>When can we expect the shortening of the way, a century or so after they seize the DL's throne?
Well, that largely depends on:
How long have they existed, are they a result of the current DL's meddling with nature itself or long before that?
How long has the current DL ruled? By now thread started with the idea that the world was maintained locked in medieval stasis due to the Hero vs Demon Lord cycle, so now things have advanced a little, but how much has that little been?
Supposedly, Herohood is a blessing of the Gods, so then, can this blessing be passed through lines that follow their God, or is this an annointment that remains in an individual?
>I forget the term for it but do they apply a sort of conditioning to the males, or females for that matter?
Since there are both male and female heroes, maybe both?
Or, since the plan is to create a vampire hero, maybe it's the idea of turning a new male vampire?
Maybe the males die or turn to dust due to the DL screwing with reality?
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>>66275270

>The Holstaurs of the dairy farm were very friendly
>Very friendly
>Always a joy to talk to whenever you came around to do maintenance on the parlor and the milking machines
>The Holstaurs voice their preference against automated machines
>Always would ask you to hand milk them, offer to teach you how
>Being the well-standing Order member that you are you decline
>You have to do this frequently as you frequently have to repair these apparently unreliable milking machines
>And they ask you almost everytime
>Now that you think about it, you wonder why these machines keep breaking down so much
>Hoses coming loose, electrical wires severed, vacuum pumps looking like they were hit with a shovel
>You make a suggestion to the old farm owner that somebody might be coming in and vandalizing the equipment
>He nods, eyes averting away from you. He doesn't really look that surprised, more of a mild concern. He catches you off guard with a question.
>"Have the girls been... 'forward' with you at all, kid?"
>You don't follow
>"Have they been talking sweet with you. Asking you personal favors, personal questions, acting funny around you?"
>You figured it was just part of their charm, but you mention the obsession over hand milking
>He nods again, mouth tightening. He yells through the farmhouse, "Hannah, girl. Come over for a second."
>You turn to meet eyes with a brawny looking Kobold girl entering the porch, her eyes lighten up briefly before turning to the Owner. "Hey Anon! Yea Boss?"
>"Tomorrow when Anon here starts fixing the parlor, get on down there and make sure the girls are alright?" His eyes had certain twinkle, something you didn't get but the Kobold did
>Her head turns back to you ever briefly, but she quickly nods. "I got it boss, Anon you alright with me hanging around to check up on everyone?"
>You have no qualms, you're not entirely clear on the situation either but you're not complaining.
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>>66280760
(cont)

>Next day you meet up with Hannah as you bring in tools and replacement parts to, again, begin refitting the parlor
>"How long have the girls been asking you to do things like hand milking?" She inquires
>You don't seem to recall a time when they weren't, they done it since you've gotten here over a month ago
>Concern mats her brow, she disguises it the best she can with a smile, "Kind of a personal thing in Holstaur culture, and all of them asking it uh… just do your thing and keep in earshot alright?"
>Upon entering the assembly line area of the parlor, you're greeted to the mass of Holstaurs once more
>Eyes brightening up and excited hails of greetings are brought to you by the worker cow population
>Its honestly flattering, if not a bit unsettling with the fervor, kinda like being a rockstar
>The mood quickly shifts though when Hannah enters
>Friendly greetings are passed, but are notably more distant and cooler
>Hannah being a stock dog, she's like the farms very own police officer and disciplinary all in one
>You get to work deploying your tools and looking over the machines
>Cut hoses and torn out pumps again
>An easy fix, but quite tedious
>You work well into the hot summer noon, make the sweat pour as you haul in and out new parts
>You take a break to catch up with your fatigue, exiting the parlor into the climate control area where multiple other denizens of the farm abide
>They pretend not to stare at you, but you can tell otherwise. You almost begin looking at your clothes as if something was on it
>One cow-girl approaches
>She holds out a glass of milk
>"You been workin' them machines in there for so long we thought you may have had a heat stroke, Anon. Bet your thirsty."
>You know well that isn't regular cow milk, there are no regular cows on this farm
>You politely turn her down, claim you are fine
>Her face grows defeated, it breaks your heart to look at. "Oh, uh, alright then. No problem."
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>>66280769
(cont)

>"Why do you hate us Anon?"
>You, everyone in the room, turns to a Holstaur raising her voice.
>She slowly begins approaching you, fists clenched, "Is there something we did? Something we said? Why do you gotta act like were fuckin' radioactive?"
>You interject that you don't have any problems with them at all.
>"Are you lactose intolerant or something? You keep fixing these torture devices, you won't drink milk here, you barely talk to us. It ain't fair Anon! It just ain't fair!" Her voice sounded more hurt than angry, but frustration stained her tone nonetheless. Her eyes screamed unspoken emotions. She didn't stop her slow walk towards you
>"Abigail!" A sharp feminine bark sheers out, in came the storming stride of Hannah to the growing herd of cows surround you. "If he ain't interested, he ain't interested. You'd best settle down right now."
>"No thats Minotaurshit!" Abigail points a finger at you. "The boy..." She huffs heavily, "The boy's drowned himself in all that extremist order gobbledygook. Don't think I ain't seem them order tattoos on your back. You just..." The Holstaur gulps, shaking her head incredulously, "You just need some help is all... I see it now..."
>In one swift motion, you see Hannah yank out a yellow gun. A Tazer. "Abigail, I swear to all the gods out there if you don't cool it right now I will drag you out of this farm by your hair!"
>Abigail grits her teeth, "Bah! Shoot me pup! We all know you want Anon for yourself is all!"
>The Kobold raises the tazer, Murmurs and protests fill the room. "Fucking test me again! Right fucking now!"
>The cow-girl was undeterred, "Shoot me! Shoot me!"
>There was a push from an unseen direction, and then a shove to the Kobold, and before Hannah knew it her aim was knocked off course. Her tazer firing outward and away from Abigail into the open. A dead miss.
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>>66280771
(cont)

>A wave of holstaurs tackled her, seizing the Kobolds limbs and neck as she rifled around angrily. She twists her head up into the air, "Run Anon! Get outta here!"
>You're spirits had no inclination of abandoning this altercation whatsoever, but then you made out the form of the Holstaur Abigail
>Completely ignoring the brawl, eyes fixed completely on you, careening through the mass of flailing arms outstretched
>You begin to make a break for the exit, but you find multiple arms wrap across your torso, grasping you from behind. You twist upward to find a Holstaur firmly hugging you, preventing your escape
>Abigail quickly shuffles to you, nearly side tackling you to the ground, multiple others join in to swamp your presence
>"S-Scum! Fucking savages! Let go!" You hear Hannah cry out, Abigail's mouth slowly crooks into a grin
>"You'll get your turn Hannah. I ain't cruel." She takes a hand to lift your chin until you can meet her thousand yard stare. "We just got alot of catching up to do with Anon. We got off on the… wrong foot."
>"This ain't right Abigail." You hear somewhere around you murmur. "We can't… we can't do this to him."
>Abigail doesn't even break eye contact with you. "It ain't right how we let it simmer between all of us for months on end. It ain't right how the Order instills poison in the minds of honest folk." The cow-girls eyes droop, breathing becoming rapid, the hot sweaty musk of your little tangle getting into your head. "This ain't a punishment Anon, this is an intervention. Were gonna make you happy."
>She shifts her head around back toward Hannah and her restrainers, to her compatriots holding you down. "Right girls?"
>A chorus of acknowledgements, both enthusiastic and hesitant, answer her. You can almost see Hannah, who didn't say a thing.
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>>66280781
(cont)

>You'd wonder if the Owner would come down, if they'd made enough commotion, perhaps someone would get help?
>It'd have to be soon you consider, look down at your short as its ripped away by the straddling Holstaur

>"Welcome to the Team, Anon!"
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New thread
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>>66280991
Sorry botched that one.

Here's the new thread

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