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so WotC is apparently cracking down on the new leaks that have come out for the War of the Spark novel? that or the mods on MtG Salvation are seriously overreacting.

either way you can check out the (supposed) spoilers here: https://pastebin.com/R0qY75hF
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>>65712803
>Right at the end of the trailer where Liliana seems to die Gideon grabs her from behind and grants her his gift of invulnerability, basically exchanging it (permanently) for the pact with which Bolas is killing and holding power over Liliana. She begs him to not do it and let her die but he tells her he believes in her and she needs to be the one before going to ashes.
Seems bullshit but the rest is believable so I don't know
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>>65712803
No mentions of the author's favorite character (who is new to begin with).
Bolas is apparently surprised by Niv suddenly showing up at the end, but Niv also blows Kefnet up before that. The Rakdos bit seems contrived, and due to people asking about Rakdos in the prior thread.
Other than these, it seems like the kind of combined 'Wizards playing shit tamely' and 'author not having all the information' shit that would happen.
Tezz's response is, honestly, in character for him.
If it's true, they can take a picture of a block of text with any of the weirder scenes, shouldn't be hard.
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>>65713294
In fairness he did mention Teyo in the original thread, he said he just serves as a POV character for the readers and doesn't do anything important. Which seems believable to me.
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>>65712803
>WotC is apparently cracking down on the new leaks
>new

Anon, WotC have been assblasted about leaks for more than a decade. Have a read into Hasbro vs Rutter
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>>65713321
There's no mention of Rat.
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so what's the deal with sparkless bolas managing to be dragged to ugin's meditation plane? And even if he did die but got revived wouldn't he still be sparkless, since death eliminates one's spark? shouldn't he be forced to stay on ravnica, or does the power of the meditation plane extend beyond planar boundaries?
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>>65712803
Sounds like bullshit, to be quite honest
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Do you believe the leaked MTG War novel spoilers?
https://www.strawpoll.me/17818995
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*world premiere trailer opens in the Meditation Plane*
Bolas: "Unfortunately for you, brother, there can only be one planeswalker spark among elder dragons. Oh, and only one elder dragon..."
Ugin: "No! You couldn't possibly have planned that far!"
Bolas: "That voice you hear inside your head when you think... Whose voice do you think it is?"
Ugin: "No! No! Nooooo-"
*sudden cut to Ravnica, a zombie Gideon stands with Liliana's hand on his shoulder*
Gideon: "You're not the only one who's back, Bolas!"
*audience cheers*
Elspeth: "People may die when they're killed, but heroes never die!"
*audience roars*
MaRo: "So, in this set, there are 250 planeswalker cards."
*audience goes silent as a library*
MaRo: "B-But it doesn't mean 'planeswalker' is the only card type in it. We've been experimenting a lot, and you will see things like creature planeswalkers, like the new Gideon, or artifact planeswalkers..."
Karn: "I am Karn."
*audience cheers*
MaRo: "...enchantment planeswalkers, and yes, even LAND planeswalkers! Now, who wants to see some Revenge of Bolas spoilers!?"
*audience explodes*
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>>65714481
I believe it, but only because it reeks of bad writing.
If you HAD to write a fantasy novel without sex, war or politics, say if a wizard compeled you to do it, you would still come up with something at least as good. Even if you had to insert a scene with people holding hands.
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>>65714920

i’m ugly laughing
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>>65712803
>It ended not with a bang but a whimper
How surprising! I expected nothing, and still let me down...
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>Bolas doesn't die at the end
You have got to be fucking kidding me
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>get bit by crocodile
>lose spark
>zombies can grab your spark out
They don’t give a single fuck about lore. This entire set is absolute bullshit, not just because they say it Ravnica but then barely show it, but everything else as well. I don’t even care about bolas dying or the other shit, the entire “plan” was stupid. The ONLY good things are the call backs like feather, but even then, where the FUCK is Rakdos. Your telling me after his whole history of fucking up nigs on his turf he would just do nothing? Why would his cult care about zombie attack- it’s entertaining!
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>>65715373
You have to read the spoilers again. Rakdos's head served a role of a trampoline for Gideon to jump on Bolas and die because Blackblade can't do anything to him.
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>>65715319

It's not like dying would stop him anyways as he was killed in older lore only for him to come back
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>>65715389
This is even worse, like hell Rakdos would do that knowingly.
This is somehow more convoluted and bad than vender and karn spark switch crap. Niv being the new pact maybe and the dark blade thing being the only interesting bits. B characters die, excuses to print mono color “guild” cards and destroy the guilds defacto (citizen tokens), and really a bite loses his spark? How does he walk with Ugin to his plane then? It’s all so stupid.
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apparently ral and kaya have the gay?
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>>65715569
>kaya
What kind of madwoman would want to bang THAT?!
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>>65712803
>Bolas managed to prepare for the blackboard and set it up as a trap for the heroes
>Somehow just forgot to add a failsafe on his spark-ripping zombies so that they don't work on him

Seems retarded. Which means it's probably true.
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>>65715569
who cares, the real issue is that they hyped up Vraska and to a lesser extent Kaya to play a major role, and then it turns out they do literally nothing. Kaya just fights some Eternals and Vraska doesn't even get that, she just fucks off for the majority of the story

at least Ral gets a moment to shine when he helps to resurrect Niv, and (presumably) stays leader of the Izzet now that Niv is the new Guildpact... the other guild leaders all get totally shafted.

do they even explain why Dovin is working for Bolas? wouldn't it mean losing his spark too?
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MaRo is such a blatant liar, holy shit
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>>65715930
DESU, that answer makes sense. Planeswalkers are supposed to be exceedingly rare, but when the fucking planeswalker war comes to your plane and they are swarming the place they become much more common.
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>>65715705
the dumbest part is apparently it didn't even have to be one of the God-Eternals biting him, ANY TOUCH from an Eternal would do the trick

that means all it would've taken was Angrath taking control of a small group of Eternals (like we see him do on the cards) to defeat Bolas forever
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>>65715961
MaRo detected.
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>>65715961
How common is travel using gates and other more "conventional" magic in the new lore?
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>>65715961
War is retarded.
>>65715976
This is blatantly retarded.

I give up on magic lore. I wish all PW would die or actually be rare, like one every few blocks. Make them actually special, like flip cards or full art lands.
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GOD I HOPE THIS IS FAKE AND THE ENDING ISN'T REALLY THIS TERRIBLE!
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>>65715930
But wait, there is more
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>>65716019
At the very least, in the flavor text of Black "Finale of..." card Ugin figured out how to use Bolas's gem as a key to his meditational magical realm
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>>65716027
>FUCKING JANUARY 2019
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>>65716027

I'm not seeing the issue with this. He's talking about it needing a strong story reason, not that it can't be done.
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>>65716064
So if a lie is blatant enough, it wraps around into not being a blatant lie?
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>>65716271
It's not a lie though
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>>65716042
source? I saw the leaked finale cards but the art was censored and the flavor text was too blurry to make out
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>>65716317
Previous spoiler thread I guess
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Why are they trying to make it out like Liliana isn't an evil bitch who deserves all the suffering she had?
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>>65716357
She is a girl.
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>We can't kill Bolas he will just ressurect!
>Let's lock him away where he totally can't escape!
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>>65716366
A white girl to boot!
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>>65716357
She's a good girl now.
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>>65716366
>>65716393

That's pretty much my reasoning, she's a horrible person yet will never face any reprocussions for her actions.
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>>65716271
You can dislike Maro all you want but those answers were true. He never said no, he said that there were a lot of constraint on doing that. Constraints that were obviously addressed in WAR.
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>>65716403
Her family/brother are ded, her family estate is destroyed, she's under a thumb of an evil dragon (her own fault, desu, but flaws don't make her a bad character) and almost everyone has abandoned her. They might even kill her Beefslab! Just let her be a good girl now and rise up against evil dragon. And hold hands with Gideon.
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>>65716436
Oh no, the genocidal necromancer has gone too deep with her pacts with dark beings. Truly she needs forgiving for all the lives she ended because she partly fixes a mess she caused sort of.
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>>65716357
A woman can't be evil.
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>>65716456
You don't have to forgive her, desu. I think her relations with people close to her is what matters. Would be a nice twist if after taking down Bolas she went to Dominaria with Gideon, restored her old estate and took up healing again, or just continue with gatewatch and help them.
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>>65716271

How is a it a lie?
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>>65716403
I suppose that's the Steven Universe™ way of resolving the antagonists arc

9 out of 10 sjw approve it
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>>65716027
"If" doesn't mean "no", retard.
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>>65716456
Protagonist doesn't have to be a good guy or even a decent guy. A character needs to be interesting and Liliana is interesting, she was a complete egoistical shit and a sociopath and is now slowly, maybe changing her ways. That's how antiheroes/dynamic characters work. Poeple getting angry about someone writing semi-interesting character in the shitfest that is MtG Lore while everyone says Vegeta/Picollo is their favourite DBZ character.
>OMG SHE WAS BAD THEY SHOULD PUNISH HER HURR DURRR

that's how you sound. holy fuck.
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>>65716403
>yet will never face any reprocussions for her actions.
Realistic.
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>>65716459
>>65716403
>>65716391
>>65716366
>>65716393
Masculinity is truly the most fragile thing on earth
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>>65716547
There is a difference between being an Anti-hero and being an extremely self centred asshole who made dozens of pacts with evil entities just to further your own power.

Not once has Liliana ever done anything for anyone but herself. She has killed thousands, corrupted dozens more all for her own gain.

Liliana isn't Vegeta, she's fucking Freiza.
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>>65716567
PROTECT WAHMEN
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>>65716612
vegeta literally contributed in genociding entire planets or did so himself. rewatch Saiyan and Frieza Saga
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>>65716547
>HITLER WAS BAD THEY SHOULD PUNISH HIM HURR DURR
>that's how you sound. holy fuck
Liliana isn't the worst character in the current lineup (Kaya), but she's definitely worse than, say, Domri or or Jace. Everything she's done has been for the sake of getting more power and gaining immortality. She literally only joined the Jacetice league for the sole purpose of manipulating them to worm out of having to pay for her actions, and has proven time and time again to be a self-serving, egoistical, power-hungry bitch who's greatest contribution to the story was 'failing to beat Emrakul'.
If she at least died, she could pull a full-circle traditional redemption arc, but no, WoTC will cop out because in the current political climate actually making your women suffer. Just like how judges in california let bitches walk off free with false rape charges, WoTC would never DARE to kill of a proud, independant FEmale. Screencap this post - not a single female Planeswalker is going to die in the official novel, not even Liliana, who really, really deserves it (but not as much as Kaya).
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>>65712803
vraska was hyped up so much and all we get is Jace's bitchy ex gf who needed some karma for treating him like shit being the main character. basically Jace's plan and Ixalan arc were moot.
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>>65716612
>>65716627
Vegeta and Goku didn't have sex
Liliana is Sasuke
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>>65716357
Cause you got to pay your fucking bills.
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>>65716631
Samut is a worst character than Kaya
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>>65715961

You're a fucking brainlet.
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>>65716627
Contributed is still lesser than "Orchestrated for the purpose of gaining power"

You know, like Frieza.

Vegeta has shown regret, he has shown growth, Liliana has not.
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>>65716567
not as fragile as the average woman's face. women often forget that a 5'5 skinny guy is still stronger than the majority of women. thank civilisation and men for policing each other, otherwise you'd be nothing more than breeding machines and entertainment
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>>65716567
There's dynamite. And phosphorus.
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>>65716654
>otherwise you'd be nothing more than breeding machines and entertainment
Women are more than that?
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>>65716631
>she could pull a full-circle traditional redemption arc,
No thanks, leave based Lili alone.
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>>65716648
Uglier, yes, but since Kaya required WoTC to call in a 'black specialist' to advise them on how to design and write the character, I'd say she gets the golden shit award.
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>>65716567
Pretty sure I have made women cry by calling them ugly. That's ten times more fragile than shitposting on the internet about something you don't like.
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>>65716631
>HITLER WAS BAD THEY SHOULD PUNISH HIM HURR DURR

you realise you just used real life historic figure of responsible of genocide comparing him to a fictional character? Beeing entertained by a character is not the same as condoning actions of his real life equivalent. Liking to see violence in movies/games does not equal wanting to see violence in real life. Rest of your post made sense but that remark alone made you sound like a an idiot.
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>>65716651
regret he might have shown, but those billions are still dead. he literally blew up a planet in early saiyan saga.
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>>65716661
Let's be honest-the average woman fails at even that.
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>>65716668
>Black specialist

Fucking hilarious, like black people are fucking aliens now.
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>>65716651
But Frieza is porbably the best and most entertaining character in all Dragon Ball. Why wouldn't you want Frieza in your MtG?
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>>65716661
technology and civilisation allows them to LARP as being more than that, yes
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A couple things don't make much sense to me.
How did bolas keikaku a million things, but somehow forgot the possibility of liliana sending the zombies after him and not dying?
How does Ugin send bolas to the meditation plane if bolas has no spark?
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>>65716681
I'm not saying I don't want Liliana.

I'm saying not treating her as a potencial timebomb and nuking her off the face of the earth is a very stupid idea for big brained Jace.
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>>65716668
>black specialist
by the gods, the whitebois at WOTC are truly sheltered
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>>65716631
So you're saying her not beeing a cliche and not having a full-circle redemption arc is a bad thing? And is dictated by politicall corectness and not her beeing the face ot MtG and making them shitload of money thus them wanting to keep her alive and sell next sets? Come on man.
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>>65716681
>Frieza faggot laugh can make you piss your pants
Easily top 5 best characters, yes
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>>65716687
or how did vraska turn out to be such a disappointment
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>>65716694
Jace proved time and time again to be a fucking idiot, I'd say it's pretty in character for him.
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>>65716705
He's saying evil characters don't need to have redemption arcs, and this attempt at one is hollow to the character and the reactions of others.
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>Lilianna opposes Bolas
>Gideon saves her and sacrifices himself
>Everyone helps her defeat Bolas
>Lilianna completes the elder spell herself and then immediately fucks off with her oldwalker powers taking all the eternals with her and leaving everyone dumnfounded
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>>65716681
>>65716694
Now I wanna see Liliana become full on batshit insane evil-villanes complete package with evil laugh while covering her face.
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>>65716718
we don't know how he will react to lili post-war, on top of these spoilers probably being fake as shit
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>>65716694

When is Jace ever smart? He is a very clever idiot.
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>>65716726
That would involve Lilianna becoming the villain who may need to be dealt with.
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>>65716726
>Gideon saves her and sacrifices himself
Knight (Gideon) saves princess (Liliana) from a dragon (Bolas). Truly classic.
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>>65716734
>fake as shit
Domri's death and Liliana killing bolas have been shown on cards revealed since. Stupid shitty lore means it's more likely to be true than not.
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>>65716734
I still hope for Garruk to stab her in the back in the aftermath.

Mah boi needs his kill.
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>>65716720
Well, that's how franchises work, you don't kill a character that makes you money. And MtG storyline is Marvel at this point. Exept Marvel will probably kill off some of their main guys.
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The samefagging is getting fucking insane. And no, reseting your IP between posts does not magically make you a different person.
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>>65716732
>female batshit insane evil-villain
We already have one
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>>65716755
>Letting your shallow sighted needs of money get in the way of a good story.

Nobody likes Liliana as a good guy anyway, and the only thing that would complain is twitter trannies who don't buy shit to begin with.
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>>65716726
I would be ok with that.
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>>65716650
I think you shouldn't let you hatred for Maro dictate so much your actions. I doubt the guy even know who you are, it's not really worth it.
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>>65716758
she ugly thou
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>>65716761
>Nobody likes Liliana as a good guy anyway
Wrong.
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>>65716758
Albino negress did nothing wrong.
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>>65716749
so ixalan story was pretty much useless with vraska fucking off to who knows where?
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>>65716774
>Discord Tranny thinks they matter

How cute.
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>>65716780
>>Discord Tranny
>implying
They live rent free in your mind, at this point.
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>ITT: A single reddit user tries with all his might to white knight for literally one of the most generic sluts in all of MTG lore
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>>65716780
>no u
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>>65716749
>and Liliana killing bolas
Which card?
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>>65712803
yeah I don't believe a word of this
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>>65716788
Her tits are so far down her fucking chest it reminds me of that bitch from Emperor's New Groove. Is this supposed to be attractive?
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>>65716789
That's what you would like the reality to be, right?
Thought that more people have different opinions than yours is too intimidating?
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>>65716788
>Phoneposting Advertising art for MTG
>Not a discord tranny.

Mate, Shills and offboard posters are so fucking obvious it hurts.
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>>65716798
i wish someone would call liliana 'granny' in lore
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>>65716798
>Her tits are so far down her fucking chest it reminds me of that bitch from Emperor's New Groove
Well, she also is a old hag, just in disguise
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>>65716800
I have never met a person who liked Liliana who wasn't either a thirsty incel or a tumblr user.

She's just a thot.
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>>65715569
Wut?
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>>65716798
Art is all over the place, desu.
>>65716810
>phoneposting
Wrong again, I'm on a laptop. Also, I don't give a shit about modern mtg story, I just like Lili. Mtg was only good in old Dominaria and I don't encourage people to buy new shit at all.
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>>65716810
how does one detect phoneposting and samefagging
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>>65716815
Only Jace and Bolas know that, isn't it? I doubt either one would call her that
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>>65716819
i like her because she reminds me of my ex. or it reminds me of why i broke up with her
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I need that Gideon x Lili purification arc.
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>>65716832
i hope jace does it now that he hates her guts
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>>65716823
>Desu
>unironically white knighting Lili
>"T-the old dominaria story was good!"
I'm going to assume you started playing Magic this year.
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>>65716819
I love how her whole reason to join the Jacetice League was to have some pawns, and in the end it worked out perfectly as they saved her from Razatek, killed Belzelok, and even Gideon sacrificed himself to save her from Bolas. It worked magnificently. And this without doing a single thing she wouldn't have done on her own.
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>>65716852
No, I started somewhere around 2001/2002 and dropped after Alara. I just read pieces of lore these days.
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>>65716856
i hope jace joins garruk and they wreck her post story
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>>65716826
Check the filenames of pictures they post with.

Numbers usually means it was saved to a phone, and shills often circulate the same pictures. Also they often try and cram as much meme dialogue in their posts as possible, hence why they often use phrases like "Rent free"

>>65716856
I agree, I like the point she is so obviously a manipulative evil schemer, trying to redeem her is pointless.
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>>65716856
>and even Gideon sacrificed himself to save her from Bolas
We still don't know that.
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>>65716871
I wish Garruk was mono Green, keep his edgy deadliest game shit if they want, but Garruk should be the Green face.

But we know that's not going to happen.
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>>65716869
If you started back then you would not be defending the older stories, so you're either completely full to the brim with shit with when you started or you're a boomer trolling the thread with your boner for the one character older than you are.
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>>65716878
Well, that was assuming the spoiler are true.
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I'm glad based Lili makes all anons rage this bad, hope she wins.
>>65716877
>Numbers usually means it was saved to a phone
Or with 4chanx, like I do.
>trying to redeem her is pointless.
Just you wait.
>>65716885
I dunno, I just like flavor of old dominaria more. Especially the dark or ice age. Not so much time spiral.
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>>65716885
>your boner for the one character older than you are.
rekt. i lol'd at this. boomers get the rope
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>>65716914
>Or with 4chanX

No nigger saves pictures with default 4chanX names.
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>>65716883
>but Garruk should be the Green face.

Garruk is really not a great face for green, since he's not really got that much connection to green. Going green/black was the best thing that happened to him as a character.
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>>65716926
I do. Since you can click next to the filename without clicking on the image and download it straight away. I can't be bothered to replace them most of the time.
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>>65716914
>The best story was back in The Dark and Ice Age, when the 'story' was basically just the flavor text on the cards, some barely-readable comics, and a single book cycle that was universally hated
Got it, you're just a troll. 6/10 I guess, got me to respond this long.
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>>65716819
>She's just a thot
That's not a bad thing thou
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>>65716944
Whatever, go jizz over mirrodin or ravnica or Urza or whatever shit you worship.
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>>65716930
I like that he's a character that embodies GB without being all cycle-of-life golgari shit.

He needs to go full Jund next.
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>>65712803
>You only need to be touched by an Eternal to have your spark harvested

What about this card then?
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>>65716971
>Creature based Jund Planeswalker
I didn't know I wanted that
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>>65712803
>Vraska had her memory restored by a Golgari character off-screen. So Vraska had her memory back when the guild summit began but she still kills Isperia out of spite and hatred for the things that happened in the past. Vraska then planeswalks back to her pirate buddies on Ixalan and only returns after the Immortal Sun is deactivated, leaving the Golgari in disarray and not involved in anything in the meantime.

>Rakdos isn't featured that much but during he end battle he serves as a flying ride for Gideon after Gideon's Pegasus gets shot down by Oketra. Bolas simply swats Rakdos when he attacks him but Gideon makes his "Desperate Lunge" jumping off Rakdos's head actually.

>Dack is one of the point of view characters in the book actually. You really get sympathy for him (at least I did) and he decides to be brave and stay to help the good cause even though he gets a chance to escape Ravnica a couple of times. He then dies in battle.
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>>65716992
In his case the dicks must touch.
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>>65716999
I wish I was that eternal then
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>>65716967
>Gets ousted as a lazy troll, proceeds to try insults
You're rather bad at this, are you out of practice? I suggest some lurking.
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>>65716930
He embodies big Monsters and sees going against the nature of ones-self as pointless.

That's Green as fuck, much more Green than Elfshit.
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>>65717007
Wasn't trolling to begin with.
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>>65717023
>I'm not pretending, guys, I'm ACTUALLY retarded
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>>65717023
>im being legit retarded
To think you would admit it like this
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>>65716971
>>65716930

Black makes no sense for Garruk at all. He seeks to slay things as a natural act, the hunt. He has literally no heed towards death but as the eventual final end of all life, which is a Green concept.

He makes no illusions about control or power, he doesn't seek to bend anything to his will.

He's Mono green.
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>>65717037
Black is Chain Veil corruption and Planeswalker hunting
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>>65717051
>Chain Veil corruption

Gone from him

>Planeswalker hunting

That doesn't require Black at all though.
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>>65717030
>>65717036
Whatever, all I posted was that I liked those older dominaria sets more than new stuff and that I'm not shilling new story/cards, like some anon suggested.
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>>65717061
>That doesn't require Black at all though
Assassins are black
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>>65717078
>Assasins are black
So is the Golgari, your local food bank.
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>>65717037

The black is his increasing amorality, a lack of care for anything but the hunt. Amorality is a major part of the black colour pie in thematics. He's focusing on the destructive aspects of black and moving away from the creative aspects of green.
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>>65717093
>>65717078

If that's the case every planeswalker would have a multi colour.

Garruk is a wild untamed hunter who hunts the greatest of game, Which is planeswalkers.

That sounds very much mono Green considering every Green Planeswalker seems plenty Amoral too.
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>>65717093
But nature has absolutely nothing to do with morality, I would argue that not giving a fuck about morality and beeing true neutral is more green than black. Black is about corruption, manipulation and using death as a mean to your ends.
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>>65717117
>That sounds very much mono Green

It's also very green black and not a good example of green as a solo colour. You want a face to represent the colour as a whole, not a specific example that overlaps with other colours.
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>>65716877
Whooooa that tinfoil hat is on fucking tight isn't it anon? Tell me more about these "shills" that are coordinating an attack on an anime above image board where nerds talk about magic the gathering. Do they work with the lizard people? Or are they a part of.....the organization.
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>>65717123
>But nature has absolutely nothing to do with morality, I would argue that not giving a fuck about morality and beeing true neutral is more green than black.

Amorality is expressly one of Black's aspects.
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Garruk is black because his nature magic has been corrupted by the chain veil - he has an inherently rotting effect on nature around him and the creatures he summons are warped and twisted. His mind has become that of a violent murderer rather than a noble hunter.
>So many anons are so wrong about the lore
>in a lore thread
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>>65717145
But morality is not an aspect of green
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>>65717154
The Chain veil had been cured and "Murderer" is literally a concept of civilization.

Fact is Green has become the hippy greenpeace faggotry that colours were supposed to avoid and that's why Nissa, who is the most boring example of a hippy druid is now the face.

If Garruk is Green/black she is Green/White.
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>>65717158

Which is why he's green and black. Because he's become a sociopath murderer hunter. He's not hunting to prove himself, or respecting his prey or to feed himself. He's hunting because he wants to kill things.
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>>65717175
Ok, I agree with you.
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>>65717175
But he is hunting to prove himself. He's hunting the strongest beings he sees.

Which are Planeswalkers. Nothing about this is Black other than WoTC fucking up the broader concepts of the colours.

Hence why Garruk being vicious is suddenly now Black, when all that has really changed after the Chain veil curse being removed is a perspective change.

The REAL reality is Garruk was changed to have Nissa be the face of Green.
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>>65717175
So more elven than the actual elven characters, at this point?
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>>65717217
It's more Green has become hippy shitfest instead of wild untamed nature.
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>>65717173
>Fact is Green has become the hippy greenpeace faggotry that colours were supposed to avoid and that's why Nissa, who is the most boring example of a hippy druid is now the face.

Is it wrong I miss the racist and elf supremacist version of Nissa?
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>>65717217
>So more elven than the actual elven characters, at this point?

You'll note that the elves who went about killing 'eyeblights' were also Green/Black.
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>>65717213
How would he kill stuff mechanically if he wasn't black?

-3 garruk becomes a 5/5 and fights target creature

That's clunky
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>>65717246
No, it's not wrong that you prefer an interesting character instead of liking a Mary Sue.
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>>65717246
The irony is I am pretty sure old Nissa would have been Green/White and the point of this argument is that Green has become such a nonconcept
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>>65717260
How is that clunky? That's what literally tons of green spells do, thet's green as fuck.
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>>65717260
He summons a Wurm like he always does when he wants to do something.
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>>65717280
>That's what literally tons of green spells do

Not many of them turn a non-creature into a creature then fight (And when they do, it's always a land). I don't think they were saying the fight is clunky, they're saying the 'turns into a creature' effect is clunky.
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>>65717272
>The irony is I am pretty sure old Nissa would have been Green/White and the point
Like how old selesnya used to be a brainwash cult before it got reformed?
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>>65717280
It overlaps with Gideon
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>>65717280

It also doesn't actually kill planeswalkers. Since you can't fight them.
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>>65717330
Basically.

Garruk not being pure Green is a perfect example on how Green as a concept is gone, and it's just a filler mana used for elves mainly.
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>>65717286
>>65717325
>>65717333


Every garruk ability shoul be based on summoning a wurm:

+1: Create a 1/1 wurm token that says "untap target land when this creature enters the battlefield"
-2: Create a 5/5 wurm that fights target creature. Exile it at the beginning of your end step.
-8: Search your library for 3 different wurm creatures and put them on the battlefield. They gain haste untill end of turn. Return them to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.
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>>65717346
>Garruk not being pure Green is a perfect example on how Green as a concept is gone, and it's just a filler mana used for elves mainly.

Bullshit. A planeswalker can be mutlicoloured without saying that single colour doesn't exist. The issue with Garruk is he's stopped being a hunter and become a serial killer, which is where the black comes in.
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>>65716631
>she's definitely worse than, say, Domri
This is how I know you're trolling.
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If a basic footsoldier eternal can rip out a planeswalkers spark and store it within themselves , why is Bolas going the direct approach? Wouldn't these eternals make perfect spark stealing assassins? That once they steal the spark, just have each eternal return to Amonkhet. Why even cast the elder spell on Ravnica when it would be safer to cast it after stockpiling on stolen sparks?
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>>65717526
bingo
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>>65717544
>bingo
The more I think about the logic of this story, the more I can feel my brain trying to claw its way out of my head.
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>>65717702
the guys at the wotc can't write
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>>65717721
but this story wasn't even written by a guy from WotC
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>>65717526
If we go by the basic lands art, the Eternals don't store the spark, they rip it out and let it fly toward Bolas Citadel
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>>65717774
>If we go by the basic lands art, the Eternals don't store the spark, they rip it out and let it fly toward Bolas Citadel

Rewatch 0:38 to 0:50

https://youtu.be/b5W9t62t10I

You can see the eternal is actually holding a spark within them self for a period of time.
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>>65717855
That part is reversed
It just goes through the Eternal for a short time, probably to "program" its destination, before flying out
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>>65716778
Based and red-whitepilled.
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>>65716877
>implying the idiotic "rent free" memespeak didn't start on the_donald board
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I hope they kill all the nu-walkers,bring back Urza and Yawgmoth back and go back to the old card frame.
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>>65716992
>ywn rape teyo
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>>65718008
>I hope they kill all the nu-walkers,bring back Urza and Yawgmoth back and go back to the old card frame.
If only.
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>>65717158
Green's morality is environmentalism.
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>>65718008
Eat your prunes grandpa.
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>>65718008
And bring back Interrupts
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The leaks better be false. This is so terrible.
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>>65718032
Urza and Yawgmoth are definitely dead and the old borders would clash with the new art style
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>>65717736
Subcontracting, lowest bidder etc.
And in the writer's defense, it's really hard to write a novel without sex, murder or politics.
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>>65718008
No one took away the old stuff. It still exists and is available to read.
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>>65718123
>without sex, murder or politics.
Are they not allowed to write that in nu mtg novel?
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>>65718121
Oh I know they are dead, and that one time with Karona and her fever dreamish visitation.
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>>65718123
>And in the writer's defense, it's really hard to write a novel without sex, murder or politics.
Am I high or wasn't there a sex scene in that Purifying Fire book with Chandra and Gideon?
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>>65718136
The "fake" spoiler ends with handholding and with the literal devil appearing to give the paladin a ride. You tell me.
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>>65718136
Murder is possible, but everything else... Just sayin, new face MtG character is 17 years old.
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>>65718207
>17 years old
Perfect age to lose his or her virginity
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>>65718199
Give me some of what you're smoking
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>>65718199
Sex? In Magic books? You are high.
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>>65718123
>without sex, murder or politics.
Who are they marketing this for and is mtg worth saving at this point?
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>>65718207
Imagine if a fellow Orzhov exploded Kaya. Or if a marketable character like Lili got killed off for real.
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>>65718284
Well, human women in MtG can't die since Elspeth (Avacyn is not a Human), human men still can be killed
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>>65718252
>>65718265
>Give me some of what you're smoking
>Sex? In Magic books? You are high.
Sure man. Also dang.

I wonder how popular adult MTG books would be.
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>>65718349
I would like one were Lili gets beefslabed.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/18372563
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>>65718265
Arte1, kayla bin kroog has a love triangle with both brothers. Ashnod and tawnos also fuck.
Arte2, urza's assistants have a thing going for most of the book and (don't click) die embraced.
Arte3, Jhoira has an affair with a sailor, as a minor. Karn rather awkwardly cockblocks them once while stumbling around the island at night.
I can only speak for the stuff I've read.
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>>65718406
>Ashnod is a woman
I keep forgetting this
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>>65718406
>Ashnod and tawnos also fuck.
After bdsm session? Didn't she sort of fell in love with him?
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>>65718456
Yes to both. They even meet again at the end of the war, before the blast.
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>>65716042
The what?
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>>65718456
Imagine a female character falling in love with a male character in a modern MtG lore
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>>65718535
Preposterous. I want that bad with Gideon and Lili, even if it would be sappy.
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>>65718535
>who are Jace and Vraska
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>>65718535
It's got the same problem as marvel and newer star wars movies, you've got all these young people who don't show at least an interest in one another, and it comes off as autistic.
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>>65718593
Considering the recent book spoilers, the romance between Jace and Vraska seems dubious
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>>65718593
>Liliana and Gideon
>Chandra and Nissa
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>>65718674
>implying Liliana loved Gideon, ever
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>>65718688
What if she will now?
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>>65718674
Beefslab is married to crafting his body
Nissa is married to Zendikar and chandra is denser than pound cake and would never realize a move was being made on her, if that was ever the case which it emphatically isn't
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>>65718733
When he dies? Well, she always loved corpses, after all
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>>65718733
She would be in love with a corpse
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>>65718688

Liliana doesn’t know what she feels about anyone or anything because for most of her life she just ran away. It’s only recently she’s begun to have feelings other than just fear.
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>>65718746
>>65718750
Maybe he won't die. Or if he does then maybe she will feel heartbroken.
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>>65718120
That'd be an intresting concept for a card.
>If an opponent controls a [mana color] enemy, deal [amount] damage.
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>>65718743
>chandra is denser than pound cake and would never realize a move was being made on her
It happened on Amonkhet and then the story got rewritten so as to not include that.
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>unironically shipping marketing material
You people fucking disgust me
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>>65718839
Got a source for that one buddy?
Not that I doubt it, I just really liked Amonkhet
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>>65718853
I mean, at this point only fanfics will satisfy me. Wizards clearly can't or won't do that.
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>>65718853
>not
But it's fun
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>>65718871
If you could choose to get any kind of erotic fanart involving two mtg characters - what would it be?
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>>65712803
If that's the novel plot, the spoiler release schedule was an unironically better story.
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>>65718871
>>65718879
But none of these cardboard cutouts have EVER been good. Jace thought about being interesting once, but then forgot, ironically by getting his memory back. Are you people latched this hard onto character designs and card mechanics? Because there's literally nothing else to them.
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>>65718907
Lili and Gideon.
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>>65718907
Dack and Elspeth, they even were canonically married
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>>65718951
>Dack
Fug fug fug, I meant Daxos
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>>65718935
I will drop sfw version in one of those threads once I do it, 2-3 days depending on my work schedule. I'm bored and need something to doodle. It's gonna be shit.
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>>65718951
>>65718955
>married
No, they weren’t. They slept together once and then she killed him.
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>>65718907
Chandra, Nissa and plant tentacles
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>>65718663
How do you mean?
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>>65718839
Wait, they retconned it?
>>65718860
basically Chandra comes out to Nissa and Nissa goes "not interested"
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>>65718969
I will appreciate it. Put "Gideon and Liliana" in a filename, if I miss the thread then I will at least find it on the archive.
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>>65719002
Have you read them?
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>>65718969
>sfw version
What's the point
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>>65714481
Now that the Domri situation is confirmed there's no need to debate
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>>65719017
So I don't get banned. I will post the link for nsfw in the post or smth.
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>>65716992
pretty sure it's just the god-eternals, not the random shmucks
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>>65712803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WH8mHJnhM
Rest in peace sweet thieving boi. Rest in peace.
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>>65719087
nope, it's all of them
yes, it doesn't make sense
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>>65719003
I have the original text and am looking at the one on the website, "writing on the walls" or ep3. It seems they reversed the edit since I last looked. My bad.
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Is it Ral?
Was Ral's death confirmed by spoilers, fake or not?
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>>65719872
I want to say that it's doesn't look like him, but then again you never know with planes"changes appearances every time"walkers
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>>65719872
and no, his death was mentionned nowhere, but it was confirmed that he was working against bolas so I find it strange that he'd die at random against eternals
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>>65719872
For it being Ral:
>None of the other walkers have a big red scarf.
>All of Ral's art prominently features the big red scarf.
>Ral is the only one wearing striped paldrons.
>Only other white guy with short black hair is Teyo.
>Teyo's outfit nothing like what's on the art.

Against it being Ral
>No white stripe in the hair
>No tattoo on arm
>No steampunk shit.
>Wearing solid red pants, his walker art is wearing blue striped pantaloons.
>Leaks say he lives.
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>>65719968
>so I find it strange that he'd die at random against eternals

I mean, they are set up to hard counter the type of mage he is. They've got the coating that makes them very hard to directly affect with magic and Ral isn't a very physically adept or summoning guy, being more a blasty mage.
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>>65715389
The supposed spoilers are looking more and more like a crock of shit as time goes on.
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>>65718746
She dedicates her life to finding a way to bringing Gideon back to life not as a zombo
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>>65719872
Isn't that Dack?
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>>65720293
Would be pretty cool, desu.
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So only like three characters die?

Domri, Dack and Gideon?
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>>65720426
Its a children's trading card game my dude
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>>65720605
Children characters' die all the time
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>>65720605
I wish it was, but its more of a teenager/young adult/loser trading card game.
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>>65719872
It could be Dack.
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Liliana will bring Gideon back!
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>>65721501
I wonder if she got sunburned while on Amonkhet.
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>>65721831
Probably was very careful and in a shade to avoid that.
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>>65712803
>that or the mods on MtG Salvation are seriously overreacting.
Fun fact, I used to be a mod on MTGS a long time ago.

The site's an even bigger shitshow than you can imagine. The head admin literally only cares about drawing his paycheck (someone actually gets paid real money to run that site) and the rest of the admins/globals don't do anything except collect the free swag Curse sends them. Regular mods, the ones who actually do the legwork, don't get jack shit.

They did suck up to Wizards for a shitty preview card last year though, then acted like hot shit while never getting another preview card again. The mods I still talk to are like "yeah it's only a matter of time before the site dies."

And good riddance to bad garbage.
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>>65720206
I meant more that it'd be strange for him to just be in the streets like this, since he's supposedly overseeing the niv-mizzet plan
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>>65716011
Basically nonexistant, the Mending shut down all gates and interplanar travel. Only the brand new one works, and that only works on inorganic matter
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>>65719872
>{B}{B}
>Destroy any number of target planeswalkers.
Niiiiiiice!
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>>65721947
MtG Salvation mod team is shit, more news at 11
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>>65722493
When they start to use cult speak like that then it's time to book it.
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>>65722493
>Is it Aurelia?
Nice
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>"I DIDN'T EXPECT MY SPARK TO BE EATEN BY AN ELDER DRAGON" says man who willingly helped the Elder Dragon eating Sparks
Domri was truly a smooth brain
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>>65722657
>Gruul
>Smooth brain
Pick two
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>>65722705
this made me laugh more than it should have
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>>65722657
Spark harvest is lethal. Good fuck Domri.
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>>65722493
Holy fuck that is the kind of mod who makes his way up the chain just by being a fuck. Which is like everyone in charge of the site now that they threw out several of their oldfags. That post isn't even "hurr y small tiddies reee" it's just hey what's going on with the thing. The moralizing is par for the course though. Everyone at the higher levels is a self-important twat and so they only hire self-important twats these days. That's why I got out. The two or three people with any sense just kept getting the same kind of "you're wrong we're right end of discussion" shutdown you got. Then they quit. And I quit.

But the stories are vast and retarded enough to make any That Guy thread look good.
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>>65722987
you know, it's amazing how internet mods in general are made, because most of the time the people with actual moderaction capabilities aren't the one in charge
T.dude who watched a community get destroyed because a pro-player thought that he could do a better job running the show than the guys who had ran the business for years
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>>65722493
I can’t believe Aurelia moonlights as a mod on mtgsalvation
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>>65718907
Elesh Norn and Karn or Yawggy
Progenitus and Marit Lage
Liliana and her brother
Ashiok and Aminatou
Urza and Mishra
all the different Jace cards in an orgy
and that's just to start
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>>65722493
>>65723346
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>>65723368
>Liliana and her brother
That's pretty good taste, would take that if he was alive and Gideon got killed off.
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>>65718907
War-Name Aspirant and me
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>>65723368
oh, and another one:
Kaya and the entire Obzedat
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>>65723260
if a Super powerful Dragon from another dimension offered me my greatest desires and the only thing I needed to do is keep doing what I love doing, I'd find that suspect

Also Ral and Vraska were smart enough to switch sides the moment it became obvious they were part of the menu
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>>65722814
>>65722657

Is the staff in this art ever explained? How did Domri get a chance to use a cool-gruul Bolas staff if he was pretty much immediately harvested? Did he pick it up from an eternal and makeshift one as a gesture?
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>>65723505
>anarch of bolas
>anarch
>anarchist
Is Bolas using anarchists now?
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>>65723505
>staff
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>>65723625
I remember that card, though that art never looked "anarchistic" to me.
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>>65716677
I hope you tell that to your mom every day.
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>>65718008
Urza killed billions.
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I don't like Vivien potentially being the green face because she doesn't seem very green to me. Loving animals is kind of more white than it is green, isn't it? And she protects animals, which isn't green, seeing as Greens motto is live and let live
I understand it as that if green saw animals dying naturally from a hunt, the hunter earned that right on the foodchain. To interrupt the foodchain is inherently against green
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>>65723951
To save his wife's son.
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>>65723988
>Vivien, a character whose philosophy is basically red and white, is monogreen
>Huatli, whose card is absolutely should be monogreen, is red and white
Haha, classic
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>>65713324
>Hasbro vs Rutter
Google's giving nothing here Anon.
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>>65724083
A classic case of wotc doing things incorrectly to fill a quota
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>>65722493
What's the issue with that image?
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>>65724083
>the fucking "fight" mechanic
>no green
half the point of it is to deal with fliers without having fliers
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>>65722493
Wow its almost like all the /pol/ people who post here are right, again....
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>>65724083

Why is this 6 mana PW sooo bad?
I just want to have fun with my Tier 4 Dinosaurs.
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>>65718008
I wonder how much samefagging and photoshopping this curmudgeon is going to do today.
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>>65724162
Planeswalker Deck.
Intentionally bad.
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>>65724219

Ah, I could have just looked at the bottom left...
thx

But iirc the RW one from the Ixalan set was also pretty bad.
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>>65716744
Gideons a Soldier you nonce.
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>>65724135
It's not fight, it's dealing damage. Burn is red, but dealing damage by creatures is mostly green. And you know, MaRo itself said multiple times that there is no reason to make things multicolored when everything they do can be performed in monocolor.
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>>65724278
ah yea, i read it wrong
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>>65724265
I was speaking in terms of tropes. Though Bolas is a dragon and Lili, while not a princess, was/is a noblewoman.
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>>65724219
Why are Planeswalker decks intentionally bad?
Can't they just make really good precons for new players at $15?
Bushiroad just put out a locals stomping starter deck at around that price or cheaper for Vanguard
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>>65724304
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>>65724362
Maleficient did nothing wrong. Fuck those uptight asshole parents.
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>>65724362
Doesn't fully fit the situation. But then again, in trailer Lili rises up against Bolas herself, without Gideon saving her. We shall see how it goes down later on.
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>>65724261
Main problem with it is 'everything else is better'. Shitting out a 3/3 isn't BAD it's just...not worth five mana with a plus that's loaded into the loyalty boost over the effect
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>>65724357
to avoid buyouts mainly
still they could cut 1 from all of their costs, and i doubt any of them would make a wave in standard. Then again they missed nexus/teferi, so overcosting might be the better choice.
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>>65724464
Making products shit to avoid buyouts instead of just releasing more seems silly.
The trial decks I mentioned also have things at 3-4x copies each so players only need one of them
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>>65724357
'Because then the tourney players will buy them up and they won't reach their intended audience, the new players'
And unfortunately they have precedence (second set of commander decks, which got bought out for True Name Nemesis)
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>>65724413
Seb is cool and all but I guess it becomes stale very fast
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>>65724464
Meanwhile Pokémon TCG prints useful cards in their preconstructed products.
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>>65724522
Yeah, I've started to notice he likes to use that "head bowed down" pose a lot

It's still amazing art, don't get me wrong but after seeing so much of it does get a bit stale
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>>65724522
yea, one or two mixed with 200+ cards is a good way to maintain it.

I think you could probably pick one that's you favourite, and leave the rest
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>>65724529
Yeah, but Pokemon doesn't have a reserve list, has much more pronounced power creep, and if memory serves dosen't have any kind of eternal formats. On the one hand I get what you're saying and I agree I want good stuff in pre-cons too, but Pokemon doesn't have the investors and speculators that MTG has (and is better for it).
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>>65716631
>WoTC will cop out because in the current political climate actually making your women suffer.
>WoTC would never DARE to kill of a proud, independant FEmale.

Tell that to all the angels they consistently have killed in increasingly creative and obscene ways.
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>>65724485
The given reason is only part of it, of course. One that isn't FALSE, but only part of the greater whole.
The real reason is to get players to buy packs to upgrade their shit after finding out their cards aren't that good.
Also so they don't have to balance anything worth a damn. Which is also why the 'go find the walker' cards look for cardname and not walker type, since there's an outside chance printing a tutor for say, Teferi, could actually be used.
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>>65724128
Reactionary asshat complains there isn't enough sex on his card. Is then told to take his reactionary asshatery elsewhere. He comes to /tg/ to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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>>65724146
Finally someone got it
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>>65724146
>>65722515
>>65722527
>>65722987
>>65723301
>>65723346

This is virtue signaling.
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>>65724413
Gorgeous art.
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So only three confirmed Planeswalker deaths, two are white males, and the third is a White male.
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>>65723951
and ? Clearly he was in the right :^)
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>>65724357
>Can't they just make really good precons for new players at $15?
Challenger decks for 30 ?
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>>65712803
>allowing Ugin to subdue him.
So Bolas survives. Fuck this shit.
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>>65725336
He'd survive even if he was killed. Just like the Phyrexians. Just like the Eldrazi. Just like...
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>>65724146
The term-
>/pol/ is always right
-is a term that is almost as old as 4chan itself, and it's never not been true. Why would that magically change now just because a bunch of retard bandwagons hopped on the site?
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>>65716856
This reminds me of Starcraft 2's god awful story.
>Raynor goes from rightfully wanting to murder Kerrigan to being lovey dovey ill save you baby!
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>>65719872
Eat your heart out superfriends
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>>65727182
>Kerrigan becomes god and makes out with Raynor is the canon ending to her murdering Phoenix and butchering tens to hundreds of millions on korhal

I will never not be mad.
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>>65724600
1. angels aren't people. they're solidified magic that talks.
2. its fine as long as christian imagery is what's getting rekt.



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