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>>65706280>What would magefags talk about if there were no other splats to dunk on?I see a lot more bitching about magefags than I see magefags dunking on other splats, so I dunno, but probably nothing.
>>65706280Magefags co-existing is an impossibility. It's why they feed on the other fandoms. Whenever they're alone together they immediately devolve into cannibalistic metaphysic discussions.
Give me a quick rundown on what makes V5 so bad
Requesting the Contagion Kickstarter Setting Preview # 7 -Milton Keynes.Please and thanks.
>>65706397Let's start with the layout from 1982 and the terrible photo-esque art.
Have you ever incorporated Fascism (or any third positionism, really) into your games and the political side of things? How would fit ideological Fascism into vampiric social/political/cultural life, especially since syndicates/corporatives doesn't really fit into their lives (aince labor division/specialist fields/worker rights are not really major issues for vampires, nor are there enough of them to warrant authorative legal structures to organize them).I feel like a lot could be done with it, especially when bridging the gap between the Camarilla and the Anarchs, but it seems like White Wolf always missed the opportunity.
I haven't ever played WoD, or indeed any tabletop, would this be a good place to start or is it rather complicated?Thanks /tg/
>>65706469Yes, but go to another forum. This place is notoriously shit.
>>65706481The new Nosferatu look like bad extras from a 1980's low-budget post apocalypse tv movie
>>65706469Ya start by cracking open Moldvay Basic/Cook Expert D&D and running a simple module like B1 or B4 then try one of the WoD demos (Werewolf the Apocalypse has a decent one), then ya get into an autismal Pathfinder game where the most you have is planning out your progression and riding the railroad to plotsville, then ya lose weight, seek sunlight, read GURPS, and get a clue. Don't forget to start arguments with people who've been playing longer than you have over rules and lore you misunderstood.
>>65706481>>65706501I'm 100% sure that this and Smiling Jack was used as a reference for oneof those. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. There's examples for all the clans, and it looks like a retarded fashion show, like it's all been drawn as concepts for a runway. It's hilarious.
>>65706594NuWW just wanted to be "edgy," and those awful LARPing Swedes unfortunately believe "edgy" is synonymous with 1980's cyberpunk-rejects
M20, what went wrong?
>>65706561You were completely right until you said gurps.
>>65706481I actually like that they went the Requiem route of "All Nos have something profoundly *Wrong* with them that anyone in their presence can sense and be wigged out by, but it isn't always Count Orlock'ism". It makes the CofD version of the clan much more varied and allows, surprisingly, for more monstrous portrayals than just Hideous Sewer Mutant #238447. So I unironically like that V5 seems to be copying it.There: I said something good about V5, come at me you faggots.
>>65706715M20 was such a dumpster fire that the question is more appropriately, "did goatfucker do anything right."
>>65706780>2 pages dedicated to screeching about undead furniture.
>>65706511>>65706531>>65706496...how likely is this to bleed into the new vidya? Please say they're more or less completely detached. Please.
>>65706752You're wrong. Just don't play a Nos if you don't want to play a Nos. Being disfigured is fundamental to their entire characterization and place in the universe. Make some shitty bloodline instead, or something; no need to shit on established canon and tropes just so you can be a pretty-boy bottom pretending to be ugly for likes of Faceberg.
>>65706840V5 was created in tandem with the development of Bloodlines 2, for that expressed purpose, and Paradox have made this direction very explicit. There's even Bloodline 2 devs/writers that frequent Retardera.I'm sorry, anon, but Bloodlines 2 is as fucked as V5. They just want to cash in on an established RPG name. And this is without even discussing all the explicitly bad shit in Bloodlines 2 (focus on rapid melee-in-and-out combat, treating weapons as disposable, not having skills affect your ability to fight/shoot, having combat interruptions lifted straight from the nu-Deus Ex games, etc.)It's going to be shit.
>>65706901...Except it isn't shitting on cannon or their place in the universe. That was explicitly canon in Requiem. There's something fundamentally wrong with ever Nosferatu, but it isn't just that they look like the same old retarded spoopy munster. Maybe it's a cloying stink of rotting flesh, maybe it's a level in being too perfect that triggers everyone's Uncanny Valley response, maybe it's being a spoopy munster. Making it so that every Nosferatu is just the same rubber-mask monster would be as lame as making every single Ventrue is a carbon copy of the exact same posh 1980's goth socialite with an outfit stolen from the wardrobe of Bram Stoker's Dracula.
>>65707010>Except it isn't shitting on cannon or their place in the universe. That was explicitly canon in RequiemThis is not Requiem.
>>65706840>how likely is this to bleed into the new vidya?Anon . . .There were already two vidya made that have the same themes>>65706496>>65706511>gay antifa black arab muslim atheistYikes!
>>65707034Yes, and V5 is not V1.
>>65707048Have clans been known to evolve overtime? If there was precedent it'd be fine, otherwise it feels cheap.
>>65707010>the same rubber-mask monsterThey're not, though. That is part of the nosferatu characterization in VtM. They're *not* all *the same* "rubber-faced monster". That's like saying that anyone and everyone that's ever been disfigured are the same person. Don't be retarded.Also, nobody has complained about Nos in Requiem. Nos in Requiem are fine, and work differently, by different assumptions, for different reasons. I'm not a fan of Requiem, but that's OK, because it's a seperate universe that can do its own thing. But this was supposed to be oWoD, not nWoD. Instead we got gWoD.
>>65707047>There were already two vidya made that have the same themesNo. It is very obvious that they do not understand the themes in the original games, but more importantly, they were based primarily on V2/VR, not V5.
>>65706901If all you can envision "disfigurement" due to an ancient magic blood curse is "he uggo" perhaps you lack imagination.Like I said, this seems like it's based on Requiem's Nos. Who are more about spiritual disfigurement. Now I'm sure some 1e/2e aspies are going to start screeching THIS IS NOT REQUIEM. But incorporating ideas from spin offs/spiritual sequels into Revised or new editions is old hat in the fucking tabletop business. So this isn't exactly unheard of. You might think 1 dimensional dumpster spooks is the only way a Nos can be portrayed, that's a nice opinion, but if among the fire of everything that is wrong with V5 the designers gave us a silver lining by deciding to take one of Requiem's best aspects: Clans that were not made of cookie cutter stereotypes. Well fuck it, I'm going to applaud them
>>65707118A little, but not like this. Not remotely like this. It's a retcon of a clan's defining conceptual characteristic. Meanwhile, the closest comparison I can think of was that Malks changed from Dementation to Dominate and back again through The Big Prank....not that Dementation exists anymore, it was also canned in V5, just like most distinct or interesting disciplines (while some were nonsensically merged).>>65707048Irrelevant. Stop grasping at straws.
>>65707118>Have clans been known to evolve overtime?Yes, but not in just 20 years nor so thoroughly (Malks being the exception that proves the rule).It took centuries for the gargoyles and tzimisce to change for instance.>>65707125If they wanted pretty Nosferatu they should have imported the Requiem Nos from the translation guide.>>65707157>the themes in the original gamesBeing anti-immigration makes you a Nazi and if you don't support multisex bathrooms you deserve death? I don't remember seeing those. Which which Mage and Vampire splats were they in?
>>65707162Arguably the Requiem clans are also cookie-cutter, if only because they're broad archetypes of vampirism. I immensely prefer them to Masquerade all the same.>>65707231Fair enough, I was wondering if it was a complete asspull or not. Seems like it is.
>>65706802>im-fucking-plying a lawn chair Vampire hasn’t experienced true deathI’m sorry but no Mr Methusaleh you can’t use Dominate you’re a god damn chair
>>65707162>If all you can envision "disfigurement" due to an ancient magic blood curse is "he uggo" perhaps you lack imaginationIt doesn't matter what I can imagine. What matters is the established concept and working within the limitations of possible characterization. If you can't imagine a character that is ugly but still fundamentally different from all other ugly characters, there is no "perhaps" - you genuinely lack imagination. But more importantly, you have the option to play something else.>Like I said, this seems like it's based on Requiem's Nos.And this is not Requiem. If you want Requiem, go play Requiem. In Masquerade, Nosferatu as a Clan are defined by being disfigured, and it is a fundamental facet of all their lore and fluff, and a defining aspect of their unlife. End of discussion. This is not a concept that is so hard to understand as to brook extended discourse.
>>65707351>The lamp cackles mischievously as you throw your shotgun to the floor and assume the position
>>65707430It’s just sad. Imagine being so angry at the humiliation of the furniture spell you spend two full pages making it as difficult as possible
>>65707282>Being anti-immigration makes you a Nazi and if you don't support multisex bathrooms you deserve death? I don't remember seeing those. Which which Mage and Vampire splats were they in?Are you high? I think you need to go back and re-read what you said and put it in relation to my response. None of those things were in the earlier games. The themes of Bloodlines 2 is very different from the original game(s), and they (the developers) don't seem to understand them at all. Using their misunderstandings and inexperience, as well as V5, guide them, there is no way Bloodlines 2 can become anything but shit.
>>65707455Sounds like White Wolf. They got so mad they spread character creation across 3 chapters and 16 pages.
>>65707492How do you know anything about Bloodlines 2 themes already?
>>65707513It's not White Wolf, it's Phil 'Nova of my father's thrusting cock' Brucato's doing. Ever since he changed his name, he's just become a jaded asshole.
>>65707513>Trying to gather template guidelines for a campaign using all the monsters>No template modification summary, have to read the whole book just to figure out who soaks what and what weird powers everyone has
>>65707551Is he the guy in charge of formatting? Or editing? Or proof-reading? Jesus fucking christ it's horrendous.>>65707562It's suffering anon. I just use the lore now, fuck reading their books anymore.
>>65707540Articles. The thread on the RPGCodex is a gold mine.
>>65707608It’s too late now I already summarized everything in my notes. The only problem now is the campaign fell apart and never ran.
>>65707648Feels bad, man. I'm currently planning a Miami campaign but sometimes I despair, knowing it'll probably never be played.What were you going to run?
>>65707648Shit man, that's a rough feeling. What were you running?>>65707669I'm trying to piece together my campaign that I've dreamt of running for 2 years, and I'm staggering at the starting line.
>>65707608Yes all those things were his job on m20, he had complete control because RichT is a hack
>>65707777Ascension 2nd edition is king. I re-examined awakening the other day and am so curious how people could say it’s a better setting. The traditions are so lame and somehow less relevant than traditions such as Virtual Adept or.
>>65707957>Ascension 2nd edition is kingAs someone who hangs around cheeseheads that have no issues with M20, it relieves me to see you say that anon. What is your favourite thing about 2nd edition they left out in M20?
>>65708003M20 was the first time I saw the fake woke out of touch element in white wolf and decided to not buy any new stuff. Back in the day I always felt white wolf was on the pulse of things, like true rebels, and it spoke to the spirit of freedom in me. Mind you that’s not to say I ever minded queers and such in the games but somehow the stories were more nuanced back in the old days. People weren’t defined by who they fucked and if they were it was sexier.
>>65708217The good ol' days eh?
>>65708287I know it’s hard to believe but the 90s was 20 years ago bud.
What role did supernaturals play in your chronicle's 9/11
>>65708423Hasn't happened. In order to try and side step any political stuff (from either side, I got one dude in my group who's a bit of a ben shapiro fan unfortunately) as well as some troubling technological advances, I set all my games in early 2000, and then quickly make it clear I'm diverging from real world history.
>>65708374Bruh it was like 30 years ago.
>>65708217As someone introduced to World of Darkness through the 20th Anniversary Edition, M20's sloppy writing and overly opinionated tone made me hike back to earlier editions. I don't think V20, C20, Wr20 or W20 had that issue. They still felt like rebellion rather than conformity.
>>65708423Assamite ghouls hired and paid for by Smiling Jack.You cannot prove me wrong.
What exactly stops something from simply walking across into the other world sans any special supernatural abilities when they are in a Verge? Is there any actual text on this topic?
>>65708973Literally nothing. They're fairly rare, so one being found in a place that has a population of people is generally cause for concern among the local werewolf population. There's a mention in 1e somewhere of people getting 'lost' that way.
>>65709054Is there any text saying this though?
>>65709072Somewhere in 1e as a throwaway line. If you're more curious than I am motivated, recommend flipping through the core WTF books with likely search strings.
>>65709096It looks unmentioned in 2e. Like any info on verges is carried over from 1e.
>>65708423The CC from Mage the ascension are the ones who flew the planes too try and break the hold of the technocratics.It worked for a few weeks before it swung even deeper into the technocratics field of control
>>65709115Well, there's also the chunk in book of spirits, I guess. That's page 52, which I can quote purely because I was arguing over the breath tenebrous a few threads ago. Sitll can't tell you where it is in WTF1e. Short version of that chunk is that verges can be 1 or 2 ways, depending, and humans can enter the shadow accidentally.
>>65708423None whatsoever, but that didn't stop the Seers from blaming the Pentacle, the Pentacle from blaming the Seers, and factions of both blaming the Scelesti. It was easier for the mighty mighty mages to believe that 9/11 was all some big plot masterminded by the enemy, than just some nasty shit that happened literally under their radar and caught them all by surprise.
>>65709843>65709843>09843>43>it was actually jewsOkay hitler.
>>65708423George Bush, the ghoul of one of the antediluvians of mesopotamia, did 9/11
>>65709238Yeah, but that's 1e. 2e seems to completely disregard it.
>>65709894Yes. But you didn't specify 2e beyond using a 2e image that's mostly unchanged, and as you've already discovered, 2e doesn't address it. You want specific information, that's what you're getting.
>>65709919I specified later. I was hoping it actually was mentioned, especially in this level of detail, in 2e.
>>65706481But what about that Nos in the VTMB2 trailer? It's still uggo
>>65710087>>65710087I dunno man, this is weird but not notably inhuman.
Would WoD have been better had it been 10x less overpowered? Everything in this setting is like X Men
>>65710365nWoD nerfed everything and it still sucks so no
>>65710382imagine being dumb enough to believe this
>>65710365They called that nWoD. They didn't like it, and are slowly reversing it in CofD.
>>65710435nWoD IS CofD, dumbass.
>>65710365Yes, a game about playing as X-Men would surely tank.
>>65710508...Anon. Chronicles of Darkness is what second edition NWoD is referred to as. He's referring to second edition.
>>65710508CofD is usually used to refer to GMC and 2e nwod , thank you.
>>65710365I am making a game about handicapable people. In this game you must play as someone with a challenge, like needing a wheelchair, being deaf-mute, suffering from sever schizophrenia, missing an arm and a foot, having several deadly diseases that requiere daily heavy medication, etc.Then your group creates secret societies that fight for the control of the world, while keeping their organizations a secret from the normie population at large.Let me tell you, not only is it going to be a game with heavy politics, but the combat system is phenomenal.
>>65710613But I'm already disease ridden xenophobe in real life, why would I want to play a Garou metis?
>>65710668>>65710636This is not all. The system works similarly to the ST system (and many others really). You obtain extra point by picking advantages (white, male, heterosexual, cisgender, christian, etc) or disadvangtages (female, homosexual, queer, atheistic, jewish, muslim), in addition to your main handicapabilities, for extra Credit Points, that you can use for your un-handicapabilities.Now, they are different classes and such, just not called clases:- For example, the Agression Autist fills the niche of the Werewofl of the group.- The Drug Addict Kleptomaniac-Nymphomaniac fills the role of the Vampire.- The Paraplegic Road Runner fills the role of the Mage.- The Blind Seer fills the role of, you guess it, a Seer (which can be tied to Witches, Psychics, and so on, and a bit of Necromancer).This is a political horror game, so your motley crew fights agains the opression by using advanced tactics thanks to their handicapabilities.A "high-level" (let's say like an Elder Vampire) encounter is usually a catholic white police officer or irish descent, or maybe a protestant white couple of knights of the Klan.I'm going to take the market by sturm, guys. You saw it here first.
>>65710926Best of luck. Take out a mortgage on your mother's doublewide to fund it, because Patreon are afraid of strong, inclusive ideas.
>>65710949You jest, but a dedicated Patreon/Kickstarter would probably fund this.>>65710668Tell me about your diseases, xeno-anon.
>>65710988My stomach doesn't work, my pancreas doesn't work, my legs only kinda work, any my muscles don't move right a lot. I still think socialized medicine is garbage that would rather murder me than give me medical care though.
Isn't there a terrible RPG like this? But from a 'feminist' perspective? There was a review on some sort of website with 'ink' in it, or maybe even rpg.net.
>>65710926Please publish this on the Story Teller's Vault.
>>65710926>elder vampire is a catholic white police officerAll I can picture is this friendly 1920's strolling caricature walking up to a stranded paraplegic without his wheelchair the group is using as bait and dropping a line like "Well howdy! How ya'll doing on this fine day? Need yourself a hand there? You feeling okay?"And then the autist drops from the top of a building biting and scratching and screaming, the seer screams past in the paraplegic's wheelchair instead of ramming the cop, and the nymphomaniac starts humping his leg.
>>65711023I wish one day to actually meet a true american like you. I have meet a few in person, but had just a few conversations. I wish to one day open the faucet of american's psichology in vivo.May God bless your advanced diabetes, good sir.Several of my family members work in Hospitals in a socialized healthcare country>>65711049Is it? I'll love to read it.
>>65711168YES. THANK YOU. THIS IS IT.
>>65711124These prices are great, the government for sure won't want to pay for it. They already fucked me before too. Giving me insulin that didn't work as the only thing they covered because the device they got bribed to approve was utter trash.
>>65711120>Oh, hey son, what are you doing here at 4 a.m. by yousrself. You cannot be older than 16 and...Movements are heard.Cop looks around.>Something is going on, you may want to go nowThe Wheelchair Road Runner smirks (half his body is paralized, so this is difficult) and says:>Of courze, offizer... all according to keikaku>What?!The police officer turns around. Just two inches from his face is the Agression Autist with a dead expression.The cop is frozen.Before he can say anything, the Agression Autist contorts his face in a shape of pure hatred while a screeching is heard. He starts pummeling the police officer.>Az I zaid before, officer, It'z all guuud....Sadistic choking laughter is heard as people close the blinders of their windows...
>>65711023>>65711124Hehe, socialized education system ruined me, socialized healthcare put me back together, it took them several attempts and couple wrong diagnoses (and subsequent wrong treatments making things worse) and basically nearly killed me twice in the process, but all is well that ends well.
>>65711203It sounds like a game that'd be worthwhile, but only if it came with an 'after action' rundown of scenes involving normies from the perspective of the normies.
>>65711168Ah, yes, the Nigger-Johnson's. That fine understanding local family. Glorious.
>>65711124Could Americans be more retarded than this? Truly peak stupidity.
>>65711168>Novus Dea >Ashley Porter was a Straight A Student, very strong willed, but not very popular. Mostly because she loved exploring alternative religions, and Arguing with the school board about spending too much money on SPORTS and not enough on Art and Science. When her school's football team lost the big game, someone pointed out that she must have cast a hex on them, so "on a cold autumn evening a group of students and parents dragged her out of her home, beat her, berated her, and burned her alive. The authorities did nothing." It's just so good. I hadn't read this in years.
>>65711484What. You are a very weird and strange creature.>>65711657Well deserved, you don't fuck with SPORT.
>>65711740Which Exarch is the Exarch of SPORT?
>>65711755The General, because SPORT IS WAR.
>>65711782I don't even like sport, but DE-FENSE, DE-FENSE!
>>65711817The fucker with the SPORT BALL is about to get stomped by what looks like roman Tom Hardy with what looks like roman Christopher Waltz and roman Remi Malek to back him up. He's fucked. The Exarch of SPORT must be pleased.
My negroes, is Children of the Revolution any good?
What book has the best thin blood rules? What are they? I need societal outcasts from different splats. Ronin, Thin blood/Catiifs, Orphan and/or Hollow One mages.Are there reject Dreaming changelings?Do other splats have rejects?
>>65710365Most of the books are toned to what they need to be, I can only think of a few outliers and most of those are just not enough editing rather then a deliberate choice to make things busted. Really it only needs two changes:A) Drop the pretense that the gamelines share a setting, as a casual examination of the books shows that that really isn't true at all.B) Actually flesh out the non combat mechanics. WoD is the only game still stuck in the early white wolf era of having a big combat system and nothing else. EX3 has a crazy good social system, and enough bits to latch entire charm trees on for everything else. The various storypath games have fully fleshed out sections for action-adventure, procedural, and intrigue, and enough to dig into with boons/psionic powers/whatever else. WoD has a combat system, a pathetic and not really functional doors system, and I think like a page investigation system I've literally never seen brought up even once outside of the core. There were honest attempts to, both vampire player's guides had more involved social systems and one had a mental system, there was sway in mirrors, but for some reason none of this ever stuck around.
>>65712146>EX3 has a crazy good social system, >Good social system>exalted>good exalted system
>>65712173Yes, that is indeed what I said.
Is Genius: The Transgression any good?
noit tries very hard to be the strongest, like all fansplats
>>65712127You really don't need Orphans or Hollow Ones
>>65712446Yeah I'll probably just use a tradition or technocracy reject.Are there fera ronin?
>>65712420>triesWhy would you need to "try" to be the strongest? When you're making shit up anyway, all you have to do to make them the strongest is just say that they're the strongest.Here's my fansplat. Pwnerer: the PwneningAn innate ability of all Pwnerers is to pwn all other splats, including mortals. This requires no roll and can be done as a reflexive action.
>>65712476I think we have something here.What does a Pwnerer want out of life? Do they love?
>>65712476Shut up Dave.
>>65712410It's decent. Though last I checked it never got a CofD update ever.
>>65712489They want to be the bestestest splat ever. Since intersplat balance isn't an issue, it's not a big deal to know that a Pwnerer can instagib all Archmages with their mind.
I'm still a bit irritated tat beasts screwed over the characterization of Heroes so much. Those guys could support a whole new splat if somebody had the will
Is Hunter getting a 2e?
>>65712557>want to be the bestestest splat ever.That's redundant. You've clearly established that they already ARE the bestestest spalt ever, ever, forever. Their deepest want should instead be to rub it in the other splats faces or teabag them incessantly while depriving them of the sweet release of death.
>>65712670Good point. Their real goal is to take over the /tg/ general and quote the authors out of context for years at a time.
Post splat/splat division theme songs:Technocracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V76d6_04LLE
>>65712410>>65712420in it's defense it's the only one where you need to have money to buy things
>>65712847How does it differ compared to the resources system in the regular splats?
>>65712856you're allowed to steal money in those ones, geniuses have to be wageslaves like the rest of us
>>65712926Like, they lose their crazy invention powers if they pick a pocket or have the resources merit?
>>65712945They lose their morality stat when they're not Good Boys.In the way the game puts it, they can't do things that "distance themselves from humanity" without the risk of becoming a crazier weirdo then they already are, and unfortunately robbing banks like doctor sivana falls under that. At the lower end of the scale, granted.
>>657121733rd Ed cut down alot on the "Bucket-o-dice" mentality of 1/2E. I don't like what they did with the combat too much (especially since it took people all of a week after the kickstarter reveal to min/max to nigh immortality again) But the Social Combat rules for this version are kino.I'm still mad they sperged out because of all the memes about T. rexes flying fighter jets and pissing heroin so they depowered a whole bunch of the "High Fantasy Anime Bullshit" that made Exalted so retarded yet endearing. But as we see here >>65706802 WW/OPP can't handle fun
>>65708565>I don't think V20, C20, Wr20 or W20V20 has it, but it's very minor, especially when compared to V5.>They still felt like rebellion rather than conformity.I think this pretty much is the issue with nu-WW, actually. I hadn't thought about it that way.
>>65708423None. It was Jews, just like in real life.
>>65713530>Swedish healthcareHave you tried being black?
>>65711124>socialized healthcareAs someone from Sweden, it's not great, let me tell you. In december, I got deaf on one ear, without explanation or cause. I burned ~60 USD in visits in december/january, only to get ear drops for an ear infection I didn't have, and for the doctor to never call back despite that being the agreement and me calling them several times to get new phone appointments (but the doctor never calling). I've now given up, I'm still pretty much deaf on my right ear, and I've got tinnitus from hell; it sounds like I've got a plane engine in there. I can't really socialize in groups, because I get disoriented when multiple people are talking, I can't listen to most or any loud music, and I can't really talk to my gf during car rides. Fuck this gay-ass country and its useless fucking healthcare system.
>>65706397>That demon-hunting ASS
>>65713553Sorry for deleting & reposting the post, I had fucked up some stuff. But yeah, you joke, but it would uniroically be better, since non-Europeans can get pretty much free everything, so it wouldn't matter if they went to the doctor 2 or 20 times, they could just keep going, since the local municipality has to pay for it if you're long-term unemployed/unemployable; and it shows, since they run there as soon as they have a sniffle, which overloads the system.Meanwhile, I've got at least 4 to 5 different ailments that go unchecked, from my ear, to one of my teeths, all the way to my fucking ass, because I can't even begin to afford our wonderful "free" healthcare.
>>65713608>>65713685Persist. There is nothing else I can tell you.
So I was recently replaying Redemption, and I got to thinking: Why the fuck does Kat still wear the mast post 1999 like its implied she does in Beckett's Diary and a few other sources?Is the face rot some weird Brujah point of pride? "I survived this and now I'm stronger, FUCK THE VENTRUE!"? Can't she have her daughter-in-law fix it in like 5 seconds?
>>65713784Perhaps she's Swedish too.
>>65713784Probably?Redemption wasn' made with Blow Job Diaries in mind?
>>65713784Maybe it's a case of being something so iconic that it's intentional.>Tell about The Wise, why does it wear the veil?
>>65713838>That's a lot of loyalty for a Sabbat ghoul!>Well perhpas he's wondering what the Tzimisce will do to him, and he prefers to jump out of a plane!
Anyone got any ideas for deciphering these hints on the Nameless in Montreal?DjNHn2fNLi3uWVJk+1dck4Wn6o7eq0OiVU8hMTEhBAO/O8bYi2HmFGqkfd/vITM5ITeHlc2/NzNqBAIhMTAhnnYXBJA+bB8p2Z99OK1+A3sPsUYEwRz9KdNwny E5Idsy7DSjLkdJIwM31tchMCFwzqWYOCWqand 5GQdzwwlMiwZmQCNAi+UeBsAAAEEAMP0kXU7y5NP9JaZfVX8shTU0taq1kH/UUPkkESbCTbGSEExB2ktEPh5//dkfftsKNlzlAugKFKTgBv20tQ9lDKfdbPVR0HmTLz0ewVIeqEue4+Mt/Kq7kMcQydY/Wxf+5sX2RBAiZTYl0n/JlBUKFUDRgR4wH9lAAURtB5NYXJ0eSBNY0ZseSA8bWFydHlAZnV0dXJlLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAvlHhGrWQf9RQ+SSUBAQX+g0dM4ch1n3/l5w4TCH1ngy0U1kuRPUWuGc70terWQBToAMqDfwPeFlkK0vFRaiOT3sHPw3MkYbo00FdaBvwB912ysoteUzZHne9X9XwlxaBJHGeiBcmhAFxxHg43Cnj60Os8/xYOeZG2PKp/kU91ipOJP1cGkeBiA===ddBNAre all apparently related to the Nameless in Montreal, though that last one is 'pgp 3.7', I don't have any other details for the top two.The only other vbits I have is that the 'seventh rule' doesn't translate to text, and it's probably something Carthian.
>>65713716I will. I'm just tired of being so tired. Thanks for listening to my bitching.>picture unrelated but wholesome
>>65713939Didn't he drop off the face of the universe after refusing to answer al ldecisions while they still employed him?
>>65713936I love ducks! I want to have a pet duck. Thanks.
>>65713784I haven't played Redemption; what was the cause of that facial fuck-up?>>65713813Fucking lol, anon.>>65713928Looks like standard PGP encryption. It's useless unless you have the encyption key, but if you do, just run it through decryption, in this case PGP 3.7.
>>65714006> what was the cause of that facial fuck-up?Never mentioned in game, but her backstory according to later books is that she was almost raped in an ally and had her jaw broken. Got rescued by her Sire-to-be who tried to heal her up without ghouling her, because Prometheans think that shit is immoral, but since it was the Dark Ages, she ended up with necrosis and had to keep it after her Embrace
>>65706397>perfectly content working for the highest bidderSounds more lucrative and comfortable than, say, hunting demons.Demon-hunting ass would also contribute to finding a rich mate that can bear the crushing power of your pelvis.
>>65714065Big oof. Also, gotta love how ghouling is immoral, but embracing isn't. Nigger logic.
>>65714359B-but making someone a blood slave and damning them for all eternity to walk the night are TOTALLY DIFFERENT! You just don't understand the Carthaginian mindset, I bet you're Roman and probably Ventrue
>>65706531Newfag here, I've read through V20 and Lore of the clans, I don't recall this misoginy presented here, is it in a clanbook or material?
>>65714563V5 is rather woke, I'm afraid. What you want is sadly a retcon. Any form of hierarchy has been declared a -gyny or -ism.
>>65706531>feminizeAll Tremere now have an ideal state as sissy traps. Fucking hell, Paradox. Why not tattoo a star of david on their forehead to make the goy official degenerate slaves?
>>65712146>Drop the pretense that the gamelines share a settingIt' not a pretense, and also, your idea is shit. The expansive nature of the universe is a great part of it, pre-V5.>as a casual examination of the books shows that that really isn't true at all.Nonsense, unless you're literally autistic and cannot filter subjective output.>Actually flesh out the non combat mechanicsI don't really see much of a reqson to codify *more* rules and more *specific* rules for situations where such is rarely needed, but guidelines and suggestions are nice, I guess, so it'd be a firm "sure, whatever" from me.Too late, though, because V5 effectively killed WoD unless we make a very clear and enduring distinction between oWoD, nWoD, and gWoD.
>OWoD>one 1 cancels out one success>multiple opponents easily raises difficulties to 10, where even the largest dice pool might not succeed>without an applicable specialty more dice seem to be actually useless>a small group of human literal children can easily make a Celerity loaded combat monster flail uselessly for several roundsWe in my V20 group appear to have been taught a grim lesson.
>>65714685>All Tremere now have an ideal state as sissy traps>implying this is a bad thing
>>65714764Did you get fucking grappled to death by children?
>>65714563>Newfag here, I've read through V20 and Lore of the clans, I don't recall this misoginy presented here, is it in a clanbook or material?There isn't any. It's just more V5 nonsense without connection to reality, much like most feminism. One of the founders of the Tremere Inner Council is/was Meerlinda of Wessex, who also was one of the major influences leading to the creation of the Camarilla. Tremere is easily, if anything, one of the most egalitarian/progressive clans, even if one of the most authoritarian. It's likely the latter that leads to "muh patriarchy hardcoded xD" retardation, since social justice retards cannot comprehend concepts outside of their own ideologically sanitized myopia.
>>65714815Feminism is 'whatever is convienient' you can find feminist positions for everything, most mutually exclusive (pro-life or pro-choice, for example) on google. This is just more.
>>65714764If you were grappled by literal children in a way that required you to defend yourself using the regular grappling rules, you're either a faggot (since you didn't just trash their faces or were somehow reluctant to break free violently) or your ST is a retard (both since he made you face children in a meaningful sense, but also/or because he refused you to just lift them off).But more realistically, this actually never happened outside of autistic theory-crafting that has no basis in actual play to any meaningful degree.
>>65714718>It' not a pretenseNo, it absolutely is. The backstory of each line is blatantly contradictory to the next, to the point where every one simply ignores the other and usually has a sidebar politely asking you not to think about it too hard, the setting is far to overcrowded with all the subsplats from the various splats stapled on for the idea that humans don't know something is up to be even remotely defenseable, and to top it all off the mechanics of each splat are so all over the place you are clearly never going to run anything more than a bastardized version of one splat in a game of another. >The expansive nature of the universe is a great part of it, pre-V5What on earth are you talking about? It can't be old, the lore of all the lines ignored each other, up to and including every time of judgement book saying 'We're not going to address anyone else from any other line, just pretend they don't exist'. It can't be new either, as they don't reference each other at all outside of passing mentions that other supernaturals exist, unless you're arguing that Beast was a masterpiece of writing or that contagion is going to turn out good.
>>65714866Yeah, feminism is just a front for organized cultural warfare, and exists to create an atmosphere of "there is no way to win". No matter what you do, it'll still somehow be wrong, because they don't seek to actually create anything, just to subvert, tear down, soil, and ruin. Its very nature necessitates detachment from reality, because reality is of no relevance to it.Picture surprisingly unrelated.
>>65714868>implyingThe multiple opponents rule has nothing inherently to do with grappling. Five children with kitchen knives absolutely do inflict it, and can inflict it quite easily when they're, say, mental disciplined into ambushing someone all at once.
>>65714764This is why Animalism is actually the god-tier discipline. >tfw a bunch of random animals cuck the Brujah that pumped Celerity and Potence to death
>>65714869Time of judgement told me to visit all the apocalypses
>>65714869>The backstory of each line is blatantly contradictory to the nextsee>>65714718>Nonsense, unless you're literally autistic and cannot filter subjective output.I personally love the fact that the various interpretations of the world all have different degrees of validity, and where it's not entirely clear which egg came first or even what the chicken is. I especially love the background of Tremere, that implies that their conception of the physical world and its historicity straddles the differences between Judeo-Christian Noddism of vampiric myth and the Tellurian metaphysics of the Mages.>What on earth are you talking about?>that contagion is going to turn out good.Oh, you're talking about CofD. Well yeah, they don't even need to pretend to ignore eachother (AFAIK), they pretty much already are, which makes the point of making it (the seperation) overt is pretty much meaningless anyway.
>>65714918>this denseWell I guess noth you and your ST is shit, if you do not take the relative situation into account. Have fun getting mauled by house cats.
>>65714764>5 literal kids can humiliate an ancient vampire
>>65714764They remove that in W20 and future editions
>>65706280What if Brucato and Matt Ward switched places
>>65714988Not an argument. It's how the rules work, kiddo.
>>65715012>VENTRUE SPIRITUAL LIEGE
>>65715003Huh, I guess you're right, I can't seem to find any multiple opponents difficulty increase in W20. Maybe that should be backported to V20.
>>65714980>>Nonsense, unless you're literally autistic and cannot filter subjective output.Oh I'll respond once you actually say something.>I personally love the fact that the various interpretations of the world all have different degrees of validityThat's totally fine, and I can see the appeal there, but it's also very bad writing. As you just admitted, there's no way these can all coexist, and if you want to do a big toolkit setting there are ways to do so that can be very engaging, but to do that and also try and insist that these are all totally the same setting as part of the baseline writing is just false advertising. People are going to expect actual answers where you can't realistically write any.
>>65715003>Werewolf 20th has no Multiple Opponents circumstance>Dark Ages 20th doesIs this an editing error, or is it an intentional comment on vampires being easier to fuck than werewolves?
>>65715139It's a lot more believable to think that 5 farmers can turn a big scary Methusalah into a flailing dog than a Werewolf.
>>65715139It's not editing the rules aren't the same between lines. Grappling is all over the place between lines and editions.
>>65715203Not an argument, brainlet.
>>65715102>it's also very bad writingI won't contest that WoD is full of bad writing, but having mutually exclusive concepts in a setting revplving around consensual reality and the subjective interpretation of metaphysical concepts intended to be inherently unknowable isn't *in itself* bad writing.>People are going to expect actual answers where you can't realistically write any.I don't care, because you're not intended to know the objective truth, which is entirely up to the interpretation of the readers and the players and the storytellers. There are so many settings that have been incrementally ruined by overexposition and the plebization of the meta, until they finally become so pedestrian and relatable as to hold no mystery or interest, nor competing philosophies even from an in-universe perspective (because we as observers know the "truth" anyway, at which point anyone questioning it becomes a fool by association; the Sabbat and Noddism is a good example in WoD, as they were "proven right" against all good sense, with the rise of factual antediluvians and the coming of Gehenna). Ruining the verisimilitude and intrinsic diversity of perspective of an overarching setting just to appease autists eager for an easy categorization and binary right/wrong is fucking retarded.
>>65714918This can be true and also very stupid. For example, if 5 children who happen to be psycopaths draw blades and go after an unprepared adult, that guy is probably going to suffer mortal wounds and die. He'll kill a couple, no doubt, but 5 knifes comming at you, while you don't have any weapon?You are fucked as long as those welding the knives are age 8 to 88.Now. Kids, strenght 1. Let's say your char has strenght 3 (strength 2 + 1 potence). You don't bleed out. Getting stabbed in the guts is next to irrelevant. If the kids are actual kids, they won't reach to your heart or neck, the two vital parts.Also, probably they have 4 levels of health each.So, first turn, these maniacs attack you blindly. Okay, suffer say 3 lethal levels (they are kids, so melee 0; many attacks do nothing), absorb 1. Alright, machete the first target/protean claw/shoot. Inflict easily 6 or 7 levels, they cannot absorb, dead.Now we have one target dead. What are the others doing? Are they panicking the fuck off because one of them just died?Oh, no, they are psycho-killers from Mars!Ok, no problem. Reflexively heal a couple wounds, suffer another 2, kill another one.Third turn. Reflexively heal 2 wounds, suffer 1 wound (there are now three only), kill another one.Four turn. Reflexively heal 1 wound, raise your strenght, kill another one.Fifth turn. Reflexively raise your strenght 2 points, kill the last one.This is the breakdown of the battle of "I am being swarmed by children that feel no fear, panic, pity or remorse, and positively want to kill you even at the cost of their lives", for a guy who isn't even using disciplines, is not combat focused, and can spend 2 blood points per turn.Now, you could just say "the maniac kids attack you, what do you do?". "Okay, I kill a few, try to disperse them". "They don't disperse, you suffered 2 lethal damage, two of them are dead". "Alright, I kill the rest". "Done".You turn half hour of nothing-shit into 3 minutes RP.
>>65715212Oh, you were just samefagging imbecile-tier shitposting and didn't actually want an answer. My bad.It's been a funny though exercise, however.Fucking australians shitposters, not even russians are that bad
>>65715222That anon may not be making an argument by laughing at you, that doesn't erase the fact that you are an autist and should probably read about Aktion T-4.
>>65715321The thing about those rules from V20 is that it's difficulty 10 to be attacked and to attack, so you're going to have difficulty 10 < rolls against them while they're kicking the shit out of you.
>>65715222>questioning an autismal application of circumstantial rules in a narrative system based on context is not an argumentok, lobotomite
>>65715376I do not know what V20 says about multiple attackers, but those rules make no sense, so no sensible person would consider including them. By that logic, an Archmaster gets swarmed by 12 cats and they claw him to death.When something is stupid, only an autist will follow it. PnP RPGs, unlike videogames, allow you to actually modify the rules and the play as you see fit. In a video game maybe being swarmed by 6 piglets gets you killed. In PnP, you don't need to suffer the idiocy of game developers.I hope this point is clear: It does not matter what the rules say if the rules are objectively stupid.Post them if you want to laugh at how bad they are. Don't post them as if to say "eh, I have discovered this that will totally prove my hatred for a fictional splat!".Easy.
>>65715391>w-w-why won't the ST just ignore the rules so these five homeless men with bike locks don't cuck my ancient vampire to deathlol
>>65715402>ignoring the rules instead of playing a completely different systemMillennials aren't allowed to post here
>>65715391This anon says the same as I did with a pic from a rulebook.That works too, because some people are too autistic to follow anything that it's not on print, as they lack self-awareness and critical thinking capability.
>>65715402>Archmaster gets swarmed by 12 cats and they claw him to death.We lose more archmasters that way then you'd expect.
>>65715416Then I should be posting and you should be at your high-school isntead of skipping class to smoke weed.It's bad for you, you know.
>>65715402>ArchmastersWell, no. Those rules are only in V20 to reflect how pisspoor Vampires are at fighting.
>>65715422Wait until you see the new and perfect Tremere War Cats.The Order of Hermes is already shitting its pants.
>>65715434The Tzimisces new Szlachta cats will surely have the advantage after the Treme wipe out the remaining hermetic orders with their abominations.
>>65715403>ignore the rules>he said, while ignoring the literal first rules presented in the combat sectionLike I said, literally autistic. If you can't comprehend the point of roleplaying, please just go and stay go.>>65715419Exactly. There are a number of assumptions made when it comes to a lot of rules, such as things being a credible threat, and all rules are explicitly *intended* to be moderated by the ST.But by autismal logic, mosquitos do a minimul of 1 damage, and if there' 5 on you, you'e dead. It's beyond retarded, and I legitimately cannot understand how these people function in society. The joke is that they don't.
>>65715446They are both part of the Concordat, so the War Cats are a joint venture of both clans.Hordes of deformed cats with Thaumaturgical Paths cleansing whole Hermetic Houses in minutes.All you can hear is hungry and angry meows. The sound of death.
>>65715467The weapons and uniform are scaled down to fit them.
>>65715496And as you can see cats make writting mistakes because, well, they are cats.Cats are pretty fucking dumb.
>>65709865Onyx Path isn't going to let any more Jews in their products
>>65715496>>65715467>M20 doesn't have the retarded multiple combatant rules as V20>Vampirekind waste thousands of man hours to create hordes of genetically altered cat monsters>a single Hermetic with Mind 2 sneezes>the cats turn on the Vampires and wipe them out within a day.
>>65715514>The cats are filled with sympathetic thaumaturgical bans>Mages die before atrocious cats have to even fight;)
>>65715529>you need Matter 5 and Life 5 before you even attempt to change anything about a VampireMore proof 20th anniversary was written by vampfags.
>>65715539We don't boast. You retards bait, get BTFO (as Magefag loves to samefag with), cry in a corner, cry some more, and then come with the same baits of old.I wish I could pat magefags in the back and tell them everything is going to be okay, but they are Aggressive Autists and they would probably flip off at human contact and enter death rage.Peace was never an option.
>>65715559>Monarchies of Mau is just a fodder for Tzimisce/Tremere abominationsI am okay with that
>>65715514It has swarm rules
>>65715560Changelings are better anyway.>Naming 5>Art speciality: Naming>Get your true name>Rewrite yourself to be a Celestine after 10 successes at difficulty 1
>>65715585Is mage the only game with any rules about minimum difficulty?
What was the name of the Gift that let a werewolf fart out a spirit that could be both omnipotent and infinitely loyal with like one success?
>>65715584Don't forget the pic about mages shitting their pants when facing a vampire elder.That pic has been post literally once even though is from the most recent Mage book, while all the crap about "ours is better lol" gets reposted twice per thread.But whatever, I am in a mood in which I just feel pity for magefags so I cannot hate them properly. It's weird.>>65715585Because I have no fucking idea about faeries, yeah, why not. I doubt it's so easy or straightforward, but if you say so.
>>65715593In vampire is 3>>65715609Nop
>>65715608"Embrace of the Touchy Wolf Uncle"
>>65715619If they were under mage rules they'd probably just be like this, a swarm of them might be annoying at best.
>>65715503>writting mistakesI, too, hate it when I fuck up my legal documents
>>65715619M20 just made you feel bad for playing a Mage.
>>65715539>nobody has developed a MtAW 2e EXPLOSION legacy>ywn seek to create an explosion so large it propels you to the supernal>no megumin waifu
>>65715584>Feral catsBut Anon, we're clearly not talking about FERAL cats. We're talking about TRAINED and thaumaturgically imbued cats. There's NO explicit rules for that, which means nothing can be done. You cannot argue with this logic.
>>65715736That's more of a symptom of exposure by psychic contamination to Brucatto. That and a desire for a shower.
>>65715753So are they these but cats?
>>65715786>be owod mage>try to cast explosion spell>spirit of paradox carries you off to a realm made of explosions>be nwod mage>try to cast explosion spell>cast spell
>>65715585Does that actually work? Not familiar with Changeling.
>>65715838And this is why nwod sucks
>>65715903>be owod vampire >try to eat hobo>raped to death by cat swarm>be owod werewolf>try to transform>pentex brand insulin is also time release silver
>>65715952>>pentex brand insulin is also time release silverThat explains the price spike.
>>65715954>be owod Swede>try to live>raped to death by 'Swedes' just before you expire of untreated diabetes
>>65715980being a Swede sucks, owo or nwodyou get raped to death either way
>>65715801Exactly. The size of a cat (maybe a fat cat), the attributes of a Vohzd.Don't forget each one having 5 dots in Thaumaturgical CountermagicK as well as all kinds of rituals of protection vs mages and their magic.And Celerity... 6.Each Perfected Cat Legion composed of 6.500 Legionnary Cats and 6.500 Auxiliary Cats.11 legions to be increased to 17, some say 21.The Giovanni also enslave the souls of 77 cats per Perfected Cat and ties them to its survival, so that they go to Oblivion unless they protect their cat.Probably have plasma weaponry too.And... and... and...
>>65716010>Being a Swede sucks. You get raped to death either way.How is this not the prologue story of Malmö by Night?
>>65716020Might as well toss a bane in each of them too...
>>65716036Nah. The cats are dickless because Etrius is obsessed with that crap for some reason.
>>65716036>gun-wielding phalliWell that's me done for another day. Thanks /tg/
>cats get directed to kill via laser pointer>betray their vampiric masters and take over the world with plasma weaponryThis is the true Gehenna.
>>65716097>2020>all supernaturals dead>cats turn on humans>grow thumbshttps://youtu.be/on9vqL4W6Hc
>>65716115Was that an advert for milk? What on earth?
>>65716056I cannot be the only one to think that Etrius must be such a fuckign nerd.He's a literal fat neckbeard that looks like a dumbass. I bet he's so damn beta he stutters when talking to the Council.They guy is a 5th Gen 1000 years old Tremere, and probably a beast at Thaumaturgy, and he's basically been ruling the clan by himself as Tremere is too busy playing chess with Saulot, yet still feels like Hardestadt gives him wedgies every time he sees him while shouting NERRRRRRD.
>>65716158He looks like he's a highschooler who is really into shakespeare. Fitz Portho is his only friend.
>>65716034"Malmö by Night" is a parable of an Anarch city lost to Sabbat Aasamites and Setites, with a strong Ravnos presence.
>>65716034>>65716260Hell Seger, fellow Swebögar.
>>65712783>>65715771Iteration X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-J5tTw_hD8Syndicate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlgN__JrxkVoid Engineers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0Js8qdnyAProgenitors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OddgsPyCJmU
>>65712783Hollow Ones/Orphans: https://youtu.be/dZmWOK-xVxs
Which is more likely to be shit, Bloodlines 2 or the new Werewolf: The Apocalypse game?
Brujah: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kjwtDVONoScTremere: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4g7wqFjGf4sMalkavian: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8tKHlukQTik
>>65716465>Malks aren't actually crazy>the Madness network is just blasting Tailspin and Ducktales on repeat
C'mon anons, share the Milton Keynes and Acre manuscripts. What else would this thread good for?
>>65716645What's happening in Milton Keynes? I'm planning a campaign set there in the 70s.
>>65716655>What's happening in Milton Keynes?Nothing, ever
>>65716465Toreador: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t1TcDHrkQYgNosferatu: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4Tzimisce: https://youtube.com/watch?v=16G-Hv23nqwLasombra: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HUKsUtHx4QUGiovanni: https://youtube.com/watch?v=l2PoSljk8cEVentrue: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0Gangrel: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WPMojig7oOEFollowers of Set: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2kAasamites: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FdDDiEkRbvQRavnos: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yTQu41ffoSsHonourable Mention: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uUfpHiuheYU
>>65716465>>65716783True Brujah alternate: https://youtube.com/watch?v=US2nyRgg-SY
>>65716817Is that the burger king man
>>65716500>implying this wouldn't be a good way to goI can think of worse fates.
>>65716827You mean the Burger King? Possibly.
I wish they hadn't tied the Khaibat to regular shadow in B&S. The Lasombra, Abyss Mysticism and their whole worship of the void was neat. I mean, there's the Strix Depths, but they explicitly tie them to Shadow and shadow, not that.
>>65716972A mekhet bloodline who got a scaled down obtenebration in 1e nwod vampire and a set of devotions instead in 2.
>>65716453The new Werewolf game will be unironic kino.
>>65717103Is 'kino' kraut for shit? I always thought it was the other way around.
>>65716872>>65717005Ah, when you said Lasombra, I assumed you were talking about WoD. Carry on.
>>65717103I'm hoping for something as goofy as dark messiah. Press K to gnaw.>>65717227They were their appointed successors, unfortunately.
>>65717216t. Chroniclesbaby eternally butthurt his shitty game line will never get a video game.
>>65717240>dark messiahWhen you say that, you give me flashbacks to Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, which was a mix of amazing and wasted potential. It's sad that Paracucks will never approach anything like it.
>>65717273That is what I was referencing, yes.
>>65717256>he thinks I'm a chroniclesbaby>he thinks I *want* a gWoD game>he thinks the pathetic remains of White Wolf and the Paracuck brigade won't fuck this up tooTop fucking kek. Some people never fucking learn.
>>65716453>Which is more likely to be shit, Bloodlines 2 or the new Werewolf: The Apocalypse game?They are both exactly equally likely to be shit, which is a 10/10 chance, 100%.
>>65716645What the hell is with this shit. Are they giving the Contagion Chronicles one fucking page a day or something?>>65717417>Being sane is a pathological behaviour>Freedom is slavery>War is peace
>>65715376Just don't be autistic about it. You don't always have to follow the rules to the letter if they don't make any sense. The rules are meant to be an abstraction for creating challenge. A good ST would flex the rules in this case. Either disregard them or modify them. At best you could do it in such a way where the children are surprisingly more adept at murder swarms then you thought but let's be real about Elder vs pack of stabby kids.
>>65717459>Being sane is a pathological behaviourWhat?
>>65714918>>657147643e really did ruin a generation of roleplayers
Mods are asleep, post Arcadian Sidhe of House Eiluned AKA the best house.
>>65718459Why are the fae such whores? They're *almost* as bad as vampires.
>>65718459Look at the way that hat dips in the front, I know for a fact that bitch can't see that book. Which means she is posing, purely for show. She knows we're looking and she likes it.Slut.
Does anyone remember how nWoD and v20 core books were received at the time?Asking because I expect that V5 will end up being much better than this transient hysteria makes it seem
>>65718554Considering how Fae can get lots of Glamour by getting facefucked by horny nerds, it's no wonder they're such harlots.
>>65719334Is it just because we aren't circlejerking CofD and are instead talking about a superior product?
>>65719509No, it's because there's no hyperventilating going on about Discord trannies or magefags/haters.
>>65716301True Blood did vampire fangs properly
How many dots in Life or Death would a mage need to cause a mage to become pregnant? Is it possible in owod?
>>65719886I meant vampire, not mage
>>65719886>>65719907Depends if the ST argues this is template modification or not.
>>65719886OWoD?>Life 5>Mind 5>Spirit 5>Prime 2>Matter 5
Just picked up v20 rulebook and am running a game for my roommate and his gf and my other roommate. Are there any good premade intro chronicles or should I just jump in and make my own. I used to gm pathfinder in highschool but that was years ago
>>65719886Pretty easy. You just need to develops two sets of cells and let them loose to start a chain reaction of biological proportions. Only, spells being indefinite, you'd need to keep such a spell active on the vampire over the entirety of their term.
>>65720088>no Space to actually put the baby in the bodylmao enjoy your abortion
QUICKWHAT SPLATS CAN AND CAN'T CUMTHIS IS DEATHLY IMPORTANT
>>65720324They can all cum except for Fae.I mean the males can, not the females because female orgasms are a myth
>>65718826nWoD was shat on, mostly because people didn't want to leave oWoD, and it arguably never got as popular, but eventually established itself as its own setting, but V20 was pretty well received.>I expect that V5 will end up being much better than this transient hysteria makes it seemIt's not "transient hysteria", it's genuinely shit and it's not going to go away. M20 isn't nearly as bad, and it's still relentlessly shat upon for its multitudious flaws. I have no idea why you'd expect any of the genuine issues of V20 to just up and go away just because time passes.
>>65719907Vampires can't have dots in Life nor Death.
>>65720324...What? Achieve orgasm or actually ejaculate bodily fluids? It's a trickier thing for women than men, this is a biological fact and difficulty in humans. Achieving orgasm can be done by literally any splat.>>65720344The Gentry can simulate procreation but can't actually reproduce unless it's a 'once in a blue moon' occurrence.
>>65720109>premade intro chroniclesStrangely, no. Vampire as a whole really doesn't seem to have many or good chronicles/adventure/campaign books, it's very weird. There's very little help in getting started or help in how games are expected to be run.
>>65720384>pretending female orgasms are real>pretending there's such a thing as female ejaculationWhat meme is this?
>>65720384t. smart alec who can't humor
>>65720522You imply as though I can't do this as a mage.
>>65720592Requires Archmastery. And by Archmastery I mean Imperium - as the female orgasm does not exist, the Archmaster must first change existence to allow it to exist. Then he may Ascend as the living Symbol of Female Orgasms.
>>65720434Any resources you know of besides the rule book and the v20 companion?
>>65713608$60 is fucking nothing when it comes to several doctor visits you spoiled brat. If you had the same ear problem in a country with privatized healthcare you'd have to pay way more than that. And there's no guarantee that they're gonna find the problem in your ear either. You'll most likely get the same medicine as you did from your current doctor except you'd have to pay more for it.Also, Sweden has the option of private healthcare. You can chose to go there yourself if you're educated enough to have an income to afford it. But I bet you didn't even realize that before your crybaby mindset set in and you started bitching on the Internet instead of trying to find a solution.Blaiming an entire system because of one doctor is just silly and really dumb. You'd be stuck with the free/government supported healthcare wherever you go because you're obviously not intelligent nor educated enough to have the income to afford different healthcare. tl;dr you're too dumb/too much of a pushover to actually get your health problems fixed and you give up way to early.
>>65720522>>65720669Actually pathetic kill yourself
New thread: >>65720753
>>65713685>because I can't even begin to afford our wonderful "free" healthcare.If you can't afford to pay the equivalent of 130 USD a year then the problem isn't the healthcare system. It's you being poor. Get a real job you bum.
>>65720761I'm the guy who made >>65720753. Well-played.
>>65720727>$60 is fucking nothing when it comes to several doctor visits you spoiled brat.>spoiled brat>literally cannot afford to go the the doctor and haven't recovered from the loss of $60 over the course of over 4 monthsHahaha, fucking kill yourself, child. You don't know shit. You're just one of the thoughtless retards that uphold this shitty system, without considering the compunding cascade effects of it. It's amazing that people can be this pathologically ill-informed and demonstrably selfish, yet still retain the right to vote.
>>65720865Nice samefagging there, faggot. And yeah, I'm poor, because I'm a university student that lives a long way from the university and have to take care of my parents. Sue me. The joke is that you can't, because I have no money.
>>65721010That won't stop an American from suing you, trust me. Poor niggers sue other poor niggers all the time because they're stupid as hell and think any lawsuit will get you millions. I knew a guy who tabletopped a nigga in junior year of hs and the dudes spine broke. So his family sues the kid but they lose for some reason and the kid who broke the other one's back countersued and got like 50,000 dollars. It was fucked up, the guy can walk but he has to use a cane at 20.
>>65720727>>65720865What a huge surprise, it's as usual the leftist SJWs that show up and turn out to be awful human beings and wastes of space. Shocking.
>>65720696Any book that ends its name with " by night" are resource books for specific cities and their kindred inhabitants.
>>65720934Disprove it then instead of crying on anonymous Internet boards. If you have proof of your "claims" you'll do this country a favor. If you can't prove it you're just an uneducated crybaby and your opinions will never be listened to nor lead to any change in any way or form, ever. When I referred to him as spoiled I wasn't referring to his income. There's more ways to spoil a person than getting money thrown at them. But somehow your inability for critical thought has somehow missed out on this very simple realization. It's literally piss easy to get healthcare in Sweden. You have to be really clueless to fail at it.
>>65721386Cry more then. I can hear you because I'm not stupid enough to go deaf when it's easily avoidable lmao.
>>65720934>literally cannot afford to go the the doctor and haven't recovered from the loss of $60 over the course of over 4 monthsSo what value is he to our country if he's so dumb and uneducated that he can't even earn enough money to have tens of dollars left over each month? Wtf.
>>65721555People like you will deny any proof of it, you always do. Anon would be wasting his time dealing with a gaslighting faggot like you.
>>65721010Those are just excuses. If you can't even afford to get Europe's cheapest healthcare then Socialstyrelsen can pay for it. If however it turns out that you can indeed afford it but you spend your money on frivolous things then they won't pay for it.Also, you don't have to take care of you parents. Those are just excuses, just like your other threads where you try to blame everything else instead of manning up and taking responsibilities for your actions. It really is piss-easy to get healthcare in Sweden. You must be a real quitter if you decide that going permanently deaf is preferable than contacting a second doctor wtf. How can you even fail this hard?
>>65721689Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself.You should know that I'm a strong believer in the scientific model and perfectly understand it(unlike you) and if you have actual proof(which you don't) I'd not only believe it I'd put effort into making it change. Just like I do today with the scientific proof I get about issues I care about.
>>65721699>If you can't even afford to get Europe's cheapest healthcare then Socialstyrelsen can pay for it.>he actually thinks this is how it actually worksHahaha, oh man, you're so far removed from reality that this has now moved away from being funny and it is now simply sad. Come back when you're living in the real world like the rest of us, have responsibilities and bills to pay. Start by moving out of your parent's basement.>you don't have to take care of you parents>he's actually so selfish and self-centered he doesn't even care about his familyNow that's just a little bit too much Marxism for me, Stalin. I'm a socialist, but I'm not a collectivist to the point where I'll throw my parents in the burner when they break a leg. My dad is on his third heart attack and can barely walk, and my mom had some kind of stroke just yesterday, so how about you take your rose-tinted make-believe fairy-tale of life and the care of the daddy state and shove it as far up your ass as is humanly possible, OK?>You must be a real quitter if you decide that going permanently deaf is preferable than contacting a second doctor wtf. By all means, my dude, wire me some of that sweet trust-fund cash of yours and I'll get right on that, alright, kiddo. Take care of yourself, you awful human being, you.
>>65721748Yeah I'm aware of the logical fallacies abusive people cling to as fact to pretend they aren't emotional.
>>65721555>disprove itHaha, yeah, I'm going to post financial records to some samefagging ultra-tard on 4chan that demonstrably lives in a socio-political hugbox. Good one.>It's literally piss easy to get healthcare in Sweden.Oh, yeah, I can getit, alright. It's just that it's shit and I can't afford it. I really enjoyed throwing ~1000 SEK down the drain last year trying to figure out why I get migraines three times a week, just to end up getting a literal shrug. Good on you that your parents got you covered, but that ship of free sailed 14-or-so years ago for me. But whatever you say, man.
>>65721937He's just gaslighting, it's the only way to maintain a positive view of these systems. Deluding yourself and abusing those around you.
>>65721748>rationalizing this hard>waxing on about scientific model>/r/iamverysmartSure is ego in here today. The absolute delusion of the left will never cease to amaze me. As a third-positionist, I have no love of the right, but goddamn. The SJWs are invariably abusive assholes as soon as you're not on their side or shine light on some facet they hadn't considered. It's uncanny.
>>65721874I sincerely doubt your insight into those matters are real considering how ignorant(and even hypocritical) you've been about other things you've talked about in this thread.But keep pretending your post is nothing but a way for you to armor yourself against my 'abuse' towards your ego if it makes you feel better. I won't believe it though.So instead of outing yourself as a crybaby imbecile on this board do yourself or at least your parents a favor and close down 4chan, pick up a phone and ask for a different doctor.DON'T. RISK. GOING. _PERMANENTLY_. DEAF because you're too much of a push-over that gives up on your health because you fail at something so simple as a fucking doctors appointment. It boggles my mind how you can fail at something so simple like this.Pucko
>>65722012>some facet they hadn't consideredYou mean literally any actual implementation of policy they push?
>>65721937Obviously I'm not asking you to send your "proof" to 4chan you fucking imbecile. Why would this even be your first line of thought lmfao? Oh, and we both know you don't have any proof so stop embarrassing yourself already.
>>65722026You're such a gaslighting faggot you're trying to pretend it's only one person calling your a retarded piece of shit.
>>65722026You are a cunt.
>>657219371000 SEK is nothing for healthcare. You'd know this if you were at least a wee bit educated about how the rest of the worlds healthcare works.But you don't know this, nor how our own healthcare works since you fail so hard at managing it. I don't know what my parents has to do with this but one is dead and the other one has late stage MS. Again, you're just coming up with excuses as to why you're a victim to a system instead of actually taking care of it yourself. I'm not the privileged guy you try to tell yourself I am and you're not doing yourself a favor by lying to yourself in this way. It's just another one of your low IQ-traits that you're too thick-headed to see for yourself. Migraines are hard to define. Most people who suffer from it can't be diagnosed in ANY country. But obviously you wasn't even aware of this before you started crying about it. Gee, I wonder why?
>>65722012I'm not a leftist though. I'm a third-positionist just like you. Unlike you however I can tell the difference between knee-jerk reactions and a critically evaluated thought.
>>65722170Keep lying to yourself there buddy
>>65722236Heh, you remind me of the thief from The Seventh Seal.