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Remember When I Was Scary Edition

What Deck Do You
>Play
>Hate
>Try to make work

TQ: We all know phoenix are the new overlords. Nothing lasts forever obviously, but do you enjoy this phoenix meta? Is it fun to play with? against? Were the metas of old ie Jund 2012, Splinter Twin, Delver, Humans, KCI, etc a more or less fun modern experience than this?

Resources:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=legal%3Amodern
https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO

Previous thread >>65124973
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What's some good flavor texts out there
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>>65143416
I have a foil of this. Gonna post it later if you want.
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>>65143259
>Playing
PEAK PERFORMANCE
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/peak-performance/
>Hating
Some control players are putting in Emrakul/Kozilek in their sideboards just to counter me because it's such a free matchup for me
>Trying to make work
I'm pretty happy with this http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wr-turns-1/
It could use a little work and I'm thinking about taking it in a Chalice/Blood moon direction just to stomp more nerds but when the deck works, it's a lot of fun
>TQ
I've never had an easier meta in my entire life
Everyone banking on Phoenix or Control makes my life so easy
I just steamroll EVERYTHING except mono red Phoenix cause it's all burn and they don't search their library
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>>65143259
>TQ
The meta fine, but as someone who wants to play a control deck that isn't uwx, it sucks. Burn kicks my shit in as it always has, and every other deck is basically burn with extra steps (all flavours of phoenix, dredge, hollow one, ect).

Path to exile being infinitely better than fatal push is my major gripe about how the format plays out as someone who tries to force ubx control but is relegated to playing uw at competitive events, because exiling something is stupidly 10x better than killing it in this meta.

My favourite meta was right as grixis shadow became big, so basically before gp vegas 2016. Back when it was a midrange deck that had closing speed. Only annoying shit happening was the usual titanshift / tron / random big mana bullshit.
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>>65143259
Is not playing white the ultimate cuckoldry?

I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than not playing white. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are untapping, upkeeping, drawing and playing a card you've for at least three turn solely so it can go and get hosed by another card. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little deck - reading tournament reports, testing against your local meta, making sure is has the correct cards, sleeving it, playing with it. All of it has one simple result: it's cards are more devestating for the men that will eventually hose it's strategy.

Built the perfect deck? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way it was built, who plays against it. He gets to hose it's wincons. He gets the benefits of three points.

As a man who doesn't play white you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 hours of your life simply to build a deck for another man to destroy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically
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How expensive is Legacy Burn when compared to Modern Burn?
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>>65143435
No thanks
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>>65143786
About the same price
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Nothing brings me more joy than beating expensive decks with cheap ones.
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>>65143416
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>>65143879
Don't be shy, anon, you know you want it :^)
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>>65143914
Re-evaluate your life.
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>>65143914
>cheap ones
Tell me about those.
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>>65144041
You got me, in fact i'm dying for it, but only if posted with a sexy playmat underneath. I myself have a pretty big old foil collection and they are my favorite cards.
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>>65143686
>swamp
>ritual
>duress+hymn
The chad Black player, the virgin White one.
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>>65144112
Give me 3 hours to get back home from work.

Love the rk post and Moeller art.
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Unstable > Ravnica
Prove me wrong
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>>65144294
>these cards will never be legal
Fuck you
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>>65144336
Play more kitchen table magic. My friends and I will sometimes do a retard draft where we'll mix in Un cards (which included an Uno card one time since it's an 'Un' card as well)
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>It will never be viable
Just hold me Anons.
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>>65144635
It could be thrown in a Wilderness Reclamation deck maybe because the biggest problem is it's 7 mana and you're tapping out to gain 7 life
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>>65143416
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>>65143416
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>>65144525
>an Uno card
>wild draw four
busted as fuck
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>>65144720
it's a sorcery
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>>65144899
Q-quicken! I'm not a moron fren
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>>65144899
I know that. I know you can't search for it either but you cast it, and then uptap all of your lands so you can still do instant shit later. Because as I said the biggest problem is it's 7mana and then you tap out for it. Both of which the Reclamation deck has no problem with.
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>https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-london-mulligan-rule-mathematically-benefits-strategies-that-rely-on-specific-cards/?_ga=2.215211799.1096740753.1552590259-1762973562.1547898968
>the probability of finding an opening hand that guarantees a turn-3 Karn Liberated or Wurmcoil Engine goes from 16% under the Vancouver mulligan rule to 33% under the London mulligan rule.
Dear god.
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>>65145040
Enjoy this trash format becoming even worse
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>>65145050
London mulligan is only being tested, they might decide it's awful and not go for it.
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>>65145040
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/modern-horizons-is-force-of-will-unrealistic-in-modern/?_ga=2.256207371.1420149885.1552551518-74923090.1552551518

I'm more interested in this.
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>>65145040
>turn 3 Karn
>threat
lol at this grampa
We turn 1 Narset now.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-narset-combo-67565#paper
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>>65143416
Literally been looking for this based on a vague conception of the flavor text alone for like almost 15 years now since some kid showed it to me in middle school.
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>>65144947
If you've got seven lands in hand just cast Scapeshift and win the game instead of trying to rely on a three card combo from hell in order to win the game seven turns later.
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>>65145358
How the fuck does this work?
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>>65145508
Haven't even looked at the list but it's gonna be a Goryo's Vengeance into massive spells deck.
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>>65145508
Mostly it doesn't. The idea is to swing with Narset, put Omniscience/Enter the Infinite into play and win
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>>65143416
Orb of dreams
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>>65143786
I think legacy burn is a little cheaper because all you need are basics and fetches
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are the hyper mat premium sleeves the same as the USA new formula ones? we don't have the exact same model here in europe

how do they compare to DS mattes anyway?
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I'd like some pointers with this deck I just made. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ciphercopy/
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>>65148604
counterspell isn't modern legal.

Mist-Cloaked Herald, Pteramander, Siren Stormtamer, Merfolk Trickster, Tempest Djinn are a few cards to look at that might fit
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>>65148759
It's table top causal. I have a friend who doesn't like to play by the rules, so this deck is to take all his good shit and counter threats I can't answer.
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>>65148759
All of these are great suggestions senpai. The Djinn least of all, but thanks.
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>>65148759
Thinking trade sky's for heralds
Sideboarding phantasmal for pteramenders
Dropping an island and a ninja for 2 siren's
Trading bindings for tricksters
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Is Bant spirits playable without hierarch?

I'm currently playing gw value town, and considering I already have most of the cheaper spirits, I can just transfer over my coco and path to exile.

Would I be okay with birds instead of hierarch for the moment?
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>>65149983
It's okay but not the best.
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>>65149983
>Is Bant spirits playable without hierarch?
>Is a deck playable without the card that literally makes it playable?
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>>65150011

Ignore this idiot. Yes you can play it with Birds but your aggro will be stifled a bit without Exalted from Hierarch. The mana production and shit though would be exactly the same.
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>>65148422
Haven't tried new formula, only the old hyperjaps and my current deck is sleeved in DS mattes.

With the old hypermattes, the texture on the back was not as fine and I thought it looked a bit ugly to be honest. DS mattes are perfect sleeves in my book, but be careful as one pack I bought contained sleeves which were cut a little irregularly, my lgs said it was super rare and they would replace it if I caught it in store anyway.
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>>65149998
>>65150011
>>65150033
Thanks guys, still new to the game so sorry if my question was dumb.

I plan on getting hierarchs eventually
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>>65148917
Why are you in /mmg/ then?
>see mmg thread
>post shit out of format
>get confused when ppl point this out
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>>65144130
what happens if you play black/white then
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Young Pyromancer or Pteramander in my 2 creature flex slot for Phoenix?
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>>65143686
>I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than not playing white. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are untapping, upkeeping, drawing and playing a card you've for at least three turn solely so it can go and get hosed by another card. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little deck - reading tournament reports, testing against your local meta, making sure is has the correct cards, sleeving it, playing with it. All of it has one simple result: it's cards are more devestating for the men that will eventually hose it's strategy.
Why are you describing white decks then?
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>>65143914
>builds $10 vampire madness deck
>play against multiple of friends $100+ decks
>he gets extremely angry and its making me pretty uncomfortable
>tell him i think im done playing for now
> "NO WE ARE GONNA KEEP PLAYING TILL I WIN ON"
>jesus christ i feel like hes gonna stab me if i win again so i start keeping shitty hands and let him win
>mfw
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>>65151033
one*
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>>65151033
I've been on the opposite side of that. I rarely get mad, but sometimes rng is so fucked it gets frustrating. I remember playing a 25 land deck, and 14 consecutive draws were 1 land 6 nonlands, and then draws 15~17 were 6 lands and 1 non land. The reason people get mad is because they are helpless. There is literally nothing you can do against rng bar mana weaving, which is cheating.
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>>65151140
just play izzet phoenix

as long as your starting hand has a cantrip and a land in it you're good to go
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>>65151140
he just has a problem with taking the game too personally and then getting mad when it doesnt go his way, its just awkward to play with him sometimes cause "all your decks are cancer" i run all janky homebrew shit always sub $50, the only thing he likes playing against is aggro but then when i played aggro (vampires) he got mad at that too....
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>>65143604
>ubx control but is relegated to playing uw at competitive events
Just play esper, it was always the best combo anyway
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>>65151168
I refuse to play a deck if its among the top 5 most played according to mtggoldfish. The exception is GDS from time to time, but only because it feels unique to play. Note that I don't mind losing, what I do mind is extremely unlikely situations (Like this one time I was playing against a friend and if literally any 2 cards in the deck swapped places, even any 2 lands, he would have lost, and he went through all 60 of them, but miraculously they were in just the correct order (so miraculously in fact, that I started to suspect he cheated, which he admitted to after a bit of probing, without him realizing he did, so I didn't get as mad)).
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>>65151256
>my friend cheats at kitchen table magic
Anon...I don't even.
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>>65151301
>not sliding a dozen cheatyfaces into play when your friend checks his phone
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>>65151301
Technically we are using actual modern decks, not just random piles. But I was just as perplexed, but he didn't realize he admitted to cheating, so I started keeping a closer eye on him, and lo and behold. He was doing things like Serum vision, draw a card, then "scry 2" but put both of the cards in his hand, and fetch for lands he can't. And he would do it all really nonchalantly. I can only suspect he was doing it for quite some time. I have a habit of trusting that the other person would follow the rules without me having to babysit and ruleslawyer him, because it's just a fucking card game, what's the point of playing it if you aren't playing it by the rules.
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>>65151390
Why are you even friends with somebody like that? Don't get me wrong, I have a slew of atrocious personality traits, but something about cheating in a no-stakes game just feels really fucked up to me for some reason.
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>>65151492
we don't choose our friends I guess.
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>>65151492
>>65151529
Also, having been surrounded by either horribly bad, or horribly incompetent people ever since elementary school, I got used to the fact I have to micromanage others.
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>>65151529
That was unironically profound, my dude.
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can someone comment on this
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-blue-green-midrange#paper
Is it any good? What should I change. I like the concept of a UG midrange deck
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>>65151879
>Anything I should change
Yes, splash white
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>>65144635
what if proliferate engine?
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>>65151879
looks like a pile of good simic cards (except for that frilled mysic lol)
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>>65143259
I switched from death's shadow to grixis delver to relax, but I keep winning for some reason. I guess people forget how to play when they see cards they aren't used to. Regardless, delver + snapcaster + young pyromancer + tasigur has things going for it.
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>>65143686
White taxes you, white hoses you. White exiles your wincon and gives you a fucking land for your trouble. If it depended on white, nothing would ever happen.
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>>65152100
that's a lot of creatures for a wanna-be spellslinger
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>>65152060
what do i add white for? path, queller?
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>>65152179
That's why it's relaxing. Only having eight creatures makes death shadow nerve wracking for me. Low threat density makes for difficult muligan and deployment desicions. The delver deck is more of a midrange deck. I based it on this one:
www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-delver-73452
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>>65152087
4 frilled mystic
4 mystic snake
4 willderness reclamatio

some ramp some counters can this jank work?
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>>65152188
Not him but White automatically means 4 Path
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Some dude from work dumped 2 cardboard boxes with a shitton of old magic cards in them at my house. I assume most are ass, but should I try to make a deck? Is there a way to maintain a virtual list of what cards I have so I can easily sort through them, like a spreadsheet?
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>>65151879
>$1700 burgerbux for some fun tier 2 hank
Just end this format and my life
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>>65152628
*jank
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>>65152539
that I got. But what else? I presume -2 spell snare -2 dismember,+4 path, -1 mystic, +1 queller. anything else?
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>>65152674
If you're going to splash white you may as well swap out your 2 Finks for Knight of Autumn. Also Shackles is probably not a good idea in a 3c deck.
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>>65152585
check for value, chances are that if he stopped to play a while ago some cards back then worthless are now pricey. Same thing happened to me because a friend stopped to play 5 years ago and wanted to save some space. He offered me his 'old shitty uncos and commons' : 1 huge ass box 2ft high filled with cards. Found 2 vials, 3x portal goblin lore, a playset of SSG, 1 ESP, 2 coldsnap mishra bauble, countless utopia sprawl and 3 manamorphoses... from the top of my mind.
Someone trashes is someone else treasure anon.
Tho on the other hand when it's sold by randoms on ebay or craiglists and adverstised as random old stuff, you can be 110% sure everything of value, even 10c, have been wiped out and only truly worthless shit remain. I'm stating the obvious but there are still way too many naive anons getting scammed this way.
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>>65152534
>ramping to play counters instead of ramping to win the game
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>>65152782
-2 Finks +2 KoA, -2 Shackles +2 queller?
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What are your favorite keywords/mechanics?
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>>65152803
the idea is to ramp to counter stuff and beat the opponent slowly

i call ug mystic agroo
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>>65153002
This plan sucks because 2/2s and 3/2s that you actually have to pay for are pretty much irrelevant in Modern. Someone actually manages to stick a Hollow One, Gurmag Angler, Prized Amalagam, Scavenging Ooze or Thing in the Ice and your whole game plan goes tits up.
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>>65152952
Double Strike, sacrificing creatures as a cost
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>>65153040
have i got the card for you
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>>65153034
Not him, but I guess that's where cryptic commands come into play. Either bounce or tap.
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>>65153052
yes, I wish samurai were a better supported archetype, shame bushido is a godawful mechanic
I briefling considered throwing together a Zurgo deck so I could have a facesmash commander in samurai colors, but I would imagine the deck to be just as ineffectual as my iroas facesmash deck, which I disassembled
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>>65153034
oh but we got damn mana leaks i think the jank game can work, will try to get that shit togheter and see how it goes, i missing the snake and wilderness rec.
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>>65143416
Many many goblin cards. My number one is Ib the Halfheart.

"Everyone but me, attack!"
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>>65153002
So it’s a slow (bad) tempo deck?
Look I’d love for this deck to work out cuz I fucking love the concept. But it’s not gonna happen in Modern. People killed you the turn before your tempo game went online.
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>>65153002
A guy in my LGS runs that in Bant. Claims it's great, and it's a pretty neat deck. Runs 4 Frilled Mystic, the Arbor Elf/Sprawl package, Commands, E-Witness, some clone effects (Cackling Counterpart?), Knight of Autumn, and a bunch of other shit.
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>>65151256
going to the desolatormagic school of "that'll show those filthy netdeckers" are we?
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>>65144361
This is a card just waiting to be exploited.
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I have the cash to buy Amulet Titan or G Tron. What'll it be?
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>>65154275
Amulet if you aren't a brainlet, Tron if you are.
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>>65154268
In EDH yeah
In Modern, it's not happening
6 mana is too much with no easy way to cheat out Enchantments
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>>65154275
tron is way easier and more consistently powerful, though there's no telling when wizards might finally break down and ban ancient stirrings
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How does boros monarch use their lightning zaps and galvanic blasts?

Do you use them to smash your enemy or is it also smart to use on creatures for control?
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>>65143416
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>>65154905
I love original Mirrodin's aesthetic.
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>>65154718
The best part is that it's not even technically flavor text, but reminder text. But it's the most flavorful reminder text in the game.
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>>65143416
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i haven't played Modern in fukken years, and my collection is just sitting in my binder gathering dust (and value)

where's a good place to sell it off?
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>>65155219
Your local paper recycling center.
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>>65155219
I'll give you $3.50
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>>65155374
>>65155395
no seriously, where do you guys sell cards to?
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>>65155423
I had one worth $100, sold it on ebay
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>>65155445
sounds like a good way to lose money

i'll just take them to my LGS i guess
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>>65155462
I don't have a LGS, didn't get fucked over though, probably because the name on the address sounded white.
Took plenty of photos of the whole process as evidence.
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>his basic lands cost less than $15 per card
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>>65154905
>opponent plays last word
>you last your word your own spell to get the real last word
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>>65155534
Price check on tcg player. They have endless shops that will buy your cards. If your cards are worth enough money, and you don't mind paying shipping costs.
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>>65155219
Facebook. eBay and TCGPlayer will fuck you over on fees and LGS's and online shops only offer you 60% at the fucking utmost. On FB you can unload you collection for 80% value instantly, 90% if you don't mind waiting a bit for bites.
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>>65155839
>having 0 Taigas in your deck
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Sorting through some old cards. Why is shelldock isle so much more valuable than the other lands of its kind in other colors?
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>>65143259
Got him in a booster once and never used him because i’m Not a bluefag
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>>65156044
I just really want to play Amulet Titan, okay?
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I'm gonna be entering all these cards into mtg collection builder and not sleeping tonight.
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>>65156300
Do you need to ask?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/peak-performance/
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>>65156466
I mean I figured it would be good in mill decks, but not THAT good.
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>>65156300
It's the only one that you can both reliably trigger and get good value from.
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Any good combos for this?
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>>65156519
Not at that mana cost unfortunately
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>>65156440
Oof. I'm praying for you Anon
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>>65156440
I should do this while my collections only a little box, is mtg collection builder the best?
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>>65156606
The lack of sleep is worth it to finally get them organized and start thinking about deckbuilding. I got them all for free and the total net value is already around 100 and I've put in roughly 400 cards.
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so are protection runes objectively better than circles?
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>>65156676
Depends on how much you splash white.
Ageis of honor is so much better and it doesn't see any play either.
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>>65156519
>Damage causes loss of life.
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Would Sinkhole make sense as a Horizons common?
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>>65156519
4 rituals, 3 manamorphos to make black, enchantment, grapeshot.
Not worth it.
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Is it just me, or is manamorphose just free draw? Why wouldn't you thin your deck with a free draw 1?
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>>65156872
Less info in your opening hand so worse at mulling. You can't always draw into what you want, so often spending 2 mana to do nothing. Sometimes forces you to commit mana during phases you rather wouldn't. Definitely a bad card in decks that don't care about storm count.
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>>65156929
Thanks, I am just retarded.
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>>65155846
Or remand your own spell, or exile last word, or change its target, or hit it with something really weird like ertai's meddling, or ...
If you really want the last word you should run split-second cards and pray your opponent doesn't want to unmorph anything.
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>>65143259
I have a jank deck that uses him, firebrand archer and curiosity. It's low tier fun.
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>>65144738
>tfw that beast is never gonna pound my bp without mercy

>>65152952
Cascade, undying, annihilator, convoke, and the poorly cost awaken, scavenge and forecast.

>>65151529
>>65151553

don't forget you end up being the average of the people you surround yourself with
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>>65156625
There's something really fullfilling about sorting your cards.
On that note, how do people here organize their cards? I just sort by color, then alphabetically, and keep a separate set for the rares and mythics sorted the same way.
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>>65157634
Color > type of card > rarity

Went full autistic few years ago and sorted each creature by creature types, but that's it
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>>65152952
Draw a card
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>>65152952
offering
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>>65157634
In that spirit:
How do people keep track of all their cards?
I like to play decks that allow me to brew a bit, so I can have 4 versions of a deck + all the sideboard cards I could want for that archetype in one pile.
Then I have unfinished decks in separate piles, my complete decks in deckboxes and cards I want to trade away in a binder and then a bunch of cards in cardboxes.
Stuff like extra basics are great to have this way.

I know I can massively improve my setup, so I would love to hear suggestions.
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Can CoCo hit Dryad Arbor? Arbor doesn't have a mana cost, but its CMC is still 0 right, so it should work right?
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I have on a gift box all my mono color common cards excluding master sets. On a storage box I have all my masters sets common on one half. The middle is all lands regardless of rarity. Then all the commons. All are ordered by WUBRG followed by multi color stuff ordered in ally colors, enemy colors, alara shards, khans wedges, four color leftovers then five color cards which is only like one, and artifacts are the very front. Rares and Mythics are in two pre release boxes, one for Mono color and the second for lands multi color and artifacts. I bought two boxes of the recent ravnica sets and I have all of that stuff in two fat pack boxes which is ordered by the card number but everything else is ordered just by color, no alphabetical stuff. I also have all my eldrazi stuff separated. Under all of this I have the yugioh cards sealed away.
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>>65158438
Yes.
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>>65158438
Sun's zenith into dryad arbor is a thing in some legacy decks.
You can also get it with a fetch land.
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>>65143259
>Play
Esper Control
>Hate
Nothing
>do you enjoy this phoenix meta? Is it fun to play with? against?
Playing against Phoenix is fine when you have both path and push. Things get more interesting if they bring in walkers / countermagic from the SB.
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>>65154609
Unless there's some threat generating lots of value while on the board, potentially killing you next turn, or able to block some huge fucker on your side that gets more damage in than the bolts, burn to the face ALWAYS.
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>>65154609
>boros monarch
Isn't that a pauper deck?
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>>65158941
Got an esper list? I've been on uw, but a b splash always seemed like a good idea.
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>>65160475
3 color control decks have always felt a little greedy to me. Your field of ruins aren't as strong, you take more damage from your lands, and you're weaker to opposing land destruction (not that you'll see it often but ponza and D&T are out there). Not to mention UW just has everything a control deck wants.
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>>65160924
The other deck i play is bw eldrazi and taxes, so i know how awful that matchup would be.
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>>65160924
>>65160475
What exactly does black add other than Fatal Push? Running UWr feels pretty nice with the chance to run both Lightning Bolt and Lightning Helix, practically granting an additional wincon via burn. Your counterspells, wraths, and Paths provide enough excellent removal. The only other card I can even think to add would be Gurmag Angler which just feels redundant with Collonades.
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>>65161062
Fucking duh, Thoughtseize. Still, doesn’t feel like quite a strong enough reason to run black. Anything else I’m missing?
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>>65161076
>>65161062
esper charm, lingering souls
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>>65161062
Usually black control decks run tasigur over gurmag for the potential card advantage. But yeah, the goal of a control deck is to be reactive rather than proactive so thoughtseize or IoK wouldn't be more than a 1- or 2-of.
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>>65143259
>Play
UR delver and cheapo affinity
>Hate
Mill
>Try to build
Can't decide between Ponza or RG scapeshift
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>>65161299
Ponza is fun even if it sucks

Titanshift is a bad deck that preys on decks that want to interact and loses to the goldfish deck while being a goldfish deck itself.

Titanshift is usually described as the least fun deck with the least amount of play to it.
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>>65161299
Do you like being the villain? Not a big villain, more a smug comedy villain. If yes then I csn thoroughly recommend Ponza, because I have been called a terrorist for playing it.
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>>65154268
I had fun with it when I played omniscience and then proceeded to go on a long-ass combo only to whiff as i had my hand full of lands
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>>65161419
>>65161605
Okay, ik convinced it sounds fun, and I always like big boy creatures. I am just a poor student so I will always make budget versions first, so far I have this, which is 44 euros or something.

4x Acidic slime
4x Arbor elf
2x Birds of Paradise
4x Bloodbraid Elf
4x Inferno titan
2x Thragtusk

4x Molten Rain
2x Beast Within
4x Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
4x Stone Rain
4x Utopia Sprawl

7x Mountain
11x Forest
4x Evolving Wilds

I would like to keep it under 70 euros.
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>>65161926
Looks good fren, I can recommend Glorybringer if you have one lying around.
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>>65161926
Get yourself some better duals, copperline gorge, rootbound crag and stomping ground are all good options. Ideally you'd be running fetches but on a budget I would cut the wilds and 4-6 mountains with something like 2-3 stomping grounds and 4 rootbound crags.

Stormbreath and glorybringer are cheap and perform well.

After you get everything for the budget mana then focus on the more expensive pieces like tireless tracker and chandras, then get the full on fetches manabase.
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>modern is too fast
>Let's keep the police of the format banned
If you asked for a twin ban, don't complain of lack of interaction in modern. You have the shit format you deserve
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>>65162075
the problem isn't that the format has no interaction
the problem is that the format's interaction consists entirely of 1-mana removal spells and thoughtseize
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>>65161926
>I am just a poor student so I will buy chink fakes
Ftfy
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Am I 2 lands short? Or 2 Benalia short? This shitbrew is getting crowded. halp
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-02-19-orzhov-knight-tribal/
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>>65162075
No matter how bad life gets, I feel good that I'm not so dumb as to think Twin was doing anything good. You people are room-temperature IQ drooling retards, and so at least I can look with disdain at you, no matter what else happens in life.
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there should be a trinisphere for noncreature spells that costs 1 mana
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>>65162199
This is the kind of idiot that deserves to get KCI'd to death
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how can jitte still be banned when it costs 4 mana to do anything with it
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>>65155839
>he doesnt have matching art Summer basics
dude we talked about this
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>>65162314
UNBAN SFM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>65162314
Cuz if they unban Jitte they can’t unban Stoneforge :)
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>go first
>basic plains
>exile simian spirit guide
>play Leonin Arbiter
>opponent concedes and goes to game 2 without revealing what they're playing
fucking lmao
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Debating wether or not to get an Underground sea this paycheck or the next so I can get started on UB reanimator/ Esper Stoneblade
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>>65162948
>https://youtu.be/oiRz1VVviW4
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>>65163019
Nice meme
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>>65163042
>Paying 800 USD for cardboard
Nice meme
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>>65163019
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>>65163114
>Paying money for anything
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>>65163154
>Sucking the secondary market so hard he cannot counterargument except with absurds
+1 shekel added to your star of David account
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>>65163191
Nah, its usually something that involves accusing someone that starts the arugment of being poor and using sutble forms of mental gymnastics to try to convice the other person to not buy the card because they are jealous and dont want others to have it.
This is something that only happens with very high ticket dual land, never tarmogoyfs, bobs or lilies.
Its not like this will change your mind either, you are just going to keep saying "Fuck this guy lol" because you are not only petty but also poor.
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>>65163272
>Buying something cheap is mental gymnastics
>Justifying a cardboard rectangle price of 800 USD isn't
Mtgfags are so down the hole they have to rationalize their bad financial choices this hard
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>someone went 5-0 in the new lists with 4x mana tithe mb, 4x choke sb
what
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>>65163325
>Its not like this will change your mind either, you are just going to keep saying "Fuck this guy lol" because you are not only petty but also poor.
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>>65163272
damn never seen someone btfo so swiftly in one post
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>>65162490
>Wanting control decks to be better
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>>65163380
Sounds like my kind of deck. Is it base white?
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Slightly off topic but is D&T a good way to get into legacy? I love the archtype but it's not good enough in modern.
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>>65163380
Choke is based.
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>>65163572
it's one of the better legacy decks but it's reasonably priced from so many of the cards getting reprints, so yes.

it's also good in modern
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>>65163572
It's not a good way to get into legacy because you'll lose a bunch while you learn the format, but when you get everything down you'll do good because the deck is great.
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>>65163620
No matter what deck you start out with you'll probably lose most of your games at first because Magic is Hard™.
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>>65163537
green
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>>65163191
you want a good argument?
you are killing the game.
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>>65163680
Not true. In legacy you have 2 types of decks :
- leave me alone
- i won't leave you alone
D&T isof the second kind, meaning you have to know how to play every single deck of the format and what annoy them the most before playing the deck optimally. The way of playing the deck will change radically depending on which deck you are facing. It's why new players are doing so bad with the deck and very good players are doing so well.
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>>65163852
>you are killing the game
T. investorfag
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>>65145508
>turn 1 Gemstone+land
>mana monkey into faithless looting discarding narset
>Goryo's narset
>drop a omniscensce down
>cast another goryo's
>cast a fury of the horde into other spells
>cast spoils of the vault
>cast pull from eternity
>cast goryo's
You get the drill.
You will swiftly erase the smile from the Tron player's face with 3 tron lands in hand and a daddy Karn.
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>>65163852
how can anyone actually think this? how stupid do you have to be?

price is the number one reason anyone says as to why they don't play eternal formats. The secondary market is ridiculous and is actually inhibiting new players from joining the game. Stopping new players from joining is how you actually kill games. No new players is how games die retard. Chinese fakes are a SYMPTOM of bad prices, not the cause. If prices weren't bad, the chinese fake makers wouldn't have a market to sell to.

If you have lots of cards that are worth lots of money, you still benefit from lowered prices, because you have more people to play with. If you sit there with your closet of expensive cards, and no one joins you, those cards are going to lose value when the game becomes a relic. Cards only have value because people assign value to them socially. No one is going to do that if the game becomes less popular.

The secondary market was already torn a new asshole a thread ago and no one was able to make any real counter-arguement, just memes and insults. Which is always the case with you people. You are genuinely stupid, selfish, and short-sighted if you support the secondary market prices being what they are. And it's downright ironic for you to say anyone else is the ones killing the game. Absolutely astounding that someone would believe this, it's the opposite of reality.

This hasn't been refuted:
>>65066368
>>65066426
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Why don't you buy cards for the new kids to join the eternal formats?
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>>65164819
this fallacy was already addressed as well. Follow the reply chain of the posts I linked.
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>>65164819
I have lended out cards and decks for legacy events multiple times.
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>>65164819
I don't have money to buy cards for myself, how could I buy Legacy decks for someone else? If I had more decks I would lend them to people that treat cards well, why not, I just want to play.

IF I had the money I'd probably gift Legacy decks to friends that intend to get serious about it, again, why not?
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>>65164714
Love you, keep up the good work.
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>>65164528
sounds like magical christmas land
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>>65164978
Well it's a glasscannon but with the new mulligan and serum powder it's not gonna be so glass anymore.

Hope we get some other reanimator spell from Horizons, maybe I should get my Griselbrands now.
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>>65162910
ive done that before as well.
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>>65165136
Good thinking, I'm also buying FoWs, I think they have a real chance of entering modern and even if they don't I now have everything for legacy gds but the duals.
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Which version of Jeskai Ascendancy should I play tonight? I want the most meme version possible.
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>>65163019
>>65162113
Keep fighting the good fight fellas. Only idiots give their money to the secondary market jews
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>>65165672
>t. Li
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>modern burn is more expensive than legacy burn
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>>65165401
Phoenix Ascendancy
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wtf guys?
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>>65165919
It kind of makes sense since with most decks, the money is the manabase, and since mono red has a much deeper pool in legacy than modern there isn't a need to splash any color.
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>>65152628
Just stop playing Modern and start playing Pauper instead. Better format and more affordable
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>>65166443
Where do I find people playing paper pauper?
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>>65166470
Homeless shelters, under bridges, low-income government housing, etc. You know, just anywhere poorfags congragate.
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>>65166470
FLGSs, kitchen tables, gaming groups, college campuses
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>>65166502
Imagine feeling important for wasting money on cardboard lmao
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>>65166470
>tfw LGS changed legacy from monthly to bimonthly to make room for pauper
Poorfags OUT
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>>65166567
Funny you say that.....the majority of people I know who play Pauper play Legacy as well. There is a reason Pauper is called "Legacy Lite"
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>>65166536
Imagine being able to buy the things you actually want as opposed to having to console yourself with Poorfag: the Format.
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>>65166586
We get around 15 players both on pauper and legacy and only 1-2 players overlap. I don't get this reddit/professor "legacy lite" meme. It plays nothing like legacy.
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>>65166567
>spend $30000 on a legacy deck
>get kicked out so shitters with $30 decks can play
lol
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>>65166607
>It plays nothing like legacy.
I never said it did. The card pool, however, has a lot of crossover.
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>>65166062
http://premodernmagic.com/
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>>65166754
I've played in multiple premodern events and never even heard of that card. Why play that garbage when you can play Gilded Drake?
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>>65166754
>http://premodernmagic.com/
>>65166775
Fourth Edition to Scourge? That is so limited you may as well just play block constructed and pick a block you like from that time period
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>>65166775
>>65166754
>>65166062
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>>65166754
Is this a real thing or just another memeformat invented by hoarders like oldschool?
And how could riptide be considered even remotely playable in a format where half the most broken sets are legal?
As >>65166775 pointed out gilded drake is a billion time better.
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>>65166833
EDH!!!!!
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>>65166848
It's a real format, played even by new players because most of the more powerful decks don't need expensive cards. I myself just bought UG Madness for less than $100.
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>>65166848
It's another memeformat but it's fairly popular in the usual "old school" countries like Sweden and Italy. Mutts have their own format called middle school which is basically the same thing but with mana burn, damage on stack and a different banlist.
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>>65166870
>Mutts have their own format called middle school
I live in SoCal, the muttiest goddamn place on the planet, and have never heard of this shit.
Also,
>manaburn
>damage on the stack
>but no repealing the conga line of doom
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>>65166833
>see play in edh
>600 decks on edhrec
lmao this stupid nigger contradict himself in the same sentence. You have rares from the same set who see 20x more play according to edhrec and they aren't worth anything. This is the most stupid buyout ever made. Probably coming from plebbit, like most absurd specs.
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>>65166905
>>see play in edh
>>600 decks on edhrec
He said it sees play but is far from a staple, then goes on to support the far more likely scenario of the buyout. Are you financebro? Any Narset Cannon pieces but Griselbrand likely to spike with Modern Horizons?
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>>65166991
>Any Narset Cannon pieces but Griselbrand likely to spike with Modern Horizons?
Yep its me.
Gemstones caverns but if you are smart you alrdy have alrdy your copies since 1+ year. The quantity availible is absurdly low. Alrdy spiked recently but it's only the beginning.
SSG wont spike but it's still super low from the A25 reprint and it's a good time to pick them for cheap, it wont last long at the actual pricetag.
Powder is a trap, don't fall for it, it's way overpriced rn.
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>>65167118
>Gemstones caverns but if you are smart you alrdy have alrdy your copies since 1+ year. The quantity availible is absurdly low. Alrdy spiked recently but it's only the beginning.
lol I bought a set as soon as the London Mull was announced.
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>>65167157
Nice for you, you will easily double your money fren, but i don't think london mull will ever be adopted. But well, jotc team isn't reputed for being made of bright ppl so who knows.
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How's this for a first try?
Lands

9 Mountains

9 Islands

Memorial to War

2 Izzet Guildgate

Steam Vents

Plaza of Harmony

Artifacts

Gruul Locket

Izzet Locket

Manalith

Screaming Shield

Bloodtallow Candle

Creatures

2 Goblin Trashmaster

2 Guttersnipe

2 Volley Veteran

2 Leapfrog

Goblin Motivator

Goblin Instigator

Goblin Locksmith

Goblin Electromancer

Electrostatic Field

Crackling Drake

Riddlemaster Sphinx

Exclusion Mage

Clamor Shaman

Sorceries

4 Goblin Gathering

One with the Machine

Beacon Bolt

Act of Treason

Instant

3 Quench

2 Shock

Arrester's Admonition

Hypothesizzle

Enchantment

Metamorphic Alteration
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>>65168008
You're looking for the standard general anon: >>65163397
I know it's hard to find cause of the faggot pic, but hey that sums up standardbabs.
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>>65163572

Depends on the meta. After the drs ban, the meta went from ultra control (miracles and pile) to combo and now to decks that prey on combo (delver/dnt). At some point, itll go back to ultra control to prey on the anti combo decks, and when that happens kollaghan's command will blow out ur asshole if ur dnt.
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>>65165247
>I now have everything for legacy gds but the duals.
I'm in the same spot, I think I have everything else, not sure.
>>65166848
>memeformat invented by hoarders like oldschool
I wish I had people to play Oldschool with, closest place is Ravenna I think, which is like 4 hours away.
>>65167118
Do you think Narset will ever be a thing? Card seems great but also unplayable for Modern.
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>>65168034
It's just the 2 Dominaria cards that aren't modern right?

Without them it's
MTG2019, Ravnica Allegiance and Guilds of Ravnica.
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>>65168174
>Do you think Narset will ever be a thing?
If the London Mull ever goes into effect, yes. Right now it's still a nice memedeck for FNM.
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>>65168369
Your deck is Modern legal alright. It's just that it sucks, putting it mildly.
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should i buy an ensnaring bridge soon? posted >>65166832 with no response in the edh thread, which i need it for.
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>>65168620
Edh sucks
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>>65168620
Buy it as soon as you can past the 17th of this month.
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>>65168620
you should stop playing edh
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bros
I want to play E&T, but a playset of aether vials is like $150
can the deck operate okay without it?
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>>65168697
Yes, it's totally fine.
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>>65168732
okay, cool
what should I replace them with?
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>>65168697
>>65168732

No. Creature decks, and especially Taxes decks, live and die off by Vial in their opener. Without it, you're less explosive and less able to deal with control and midrange. You can save the $150 but your win rate will be abysmal.
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>>65168822
well fuck
time to email the chinaman
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>>65168756
gemstone mines, simian spirit guides, and chalice of the void. Eldrazi stompy is itself another archetype that has many of the same cards as eldrazi taxes that doens't run Vial. It's a very good deck, especially against phoenix.
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>>65168839
>well fuck
>time to email the chinaman

Good idea man, I think his vials are pretty deece. He finally just made good Snapcasters too.
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What do you use as counters?
These "aquarium rocks" would be better if they were half the size.
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>>65162199
Literally this. Just think about it locally. Twin "polices" by making nearly all current decks unplayable. That means the only decks left in a format are Twin and those that can beat Twin. Literally just Twin and anti-Twin. All those anti-Twin decks are currently weak because, guess what, they're just shitty decks in general and the only reason they saw play was to beat Twin. If "the Twin combo gets sided out a lot anyways" is a real argument, and it is a common one, then that means not only is Twin so broken that it's mere EXISTENCE warps the format and renders vast swathes of creative and diverse decks unplayable, but it's so strong, YOU DIDN'T EVEN NEED IT IN YOUR DECK. And if you sided out Twin so often anyways, why unban it? Seems like you don't even use it that often to begin with. It clearly has a replacement in Kiki-Jiki, but I guess that option isn't degenerate and broken enough. The only faggots who want Twin back and enjoyed playing against Twin and taking dick up their ass are Twinfags and midrange/control faggots who think they're special because they're stupid enough to play fair, interactive decks but refuse to take the responsibilities and pitfalls that come with playing those decks, like being slower or weaker to unfavorable linear match ups.

All these disgusting niggers want is their cake and to eat it to chase down all the cocks they constantly gargle.
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>>65169051
>That means the only decks left in a format are Twin and those that can beat Twin.
Was not and never been the case. I find it amazing when people post this kind of trash.
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>>65166863
>buying U/G Madness
>not already owning it from when it was your Type 2 deck
Faggots, all of you.
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>>65169073
Sorry, I meant Twin, decks that can beat Twin...and Amulet Titan.
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>>65168645
>>65168685
ah, don’t be that way, anons. some of us need to take breaks with a board game every now and then. you can’t be a super spikechad all the time.
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>>65169121
And tron. And a handful of others. I'm honestly thinking you have only played since 2015.
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>>65168620
It's a good card.
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>>65169154
Tron only saw play to beat the BGx and grixis piles that beat Twin. How you think a RPS format is superior to current Modern's matchup spread is beyond me. Just stop playing decks that fold to graveyard decks, idiot.
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>>65169101
I started MTG when I was a freshman in high school, using whatever jank I pulled from packs at the time, using Myrs and Skullclamp to be the bane of my lunchroom.
Oldfag.
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>>65169153
I play only meme decks in modern
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>>65169176
The game is always RPS; combo > aggro > control > combo....(with midrange sprinkled in)
Its always been like this and its intended. The problem is that combo in modern isnt allowed unless its 3+ cards and clunky. It gives aggro decks a better shot and pushes all control out with the exception of a couple that can counter the plans. The problem with the format is a lack of strategies, not a lack of decks.
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I just found a copy of reconnaissance. I'm confused at how the hell it works. Can you let first strike creatures deal damage before pulling them out? After you pull them out, do the declared blockers still technically keep blocking?
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>>65169232
That's wrong, since midrange and tempo are distinct from the traditional aggro/combo/control, and even back before Mirrodin, aggro-control existed.

The "issue" with Modern from Twin era to now is that Twin era was B/G/x vs. U/R/x vs. linear decks. When you remove U/R/x from the equation by banning Twin, you end up where we are now.
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>>65169023
Dice.
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>>65169354
what a load of rubbish. the stupid shit I read here never ceases to amaze.

u/w is one of the best and most popular decks right now. and twin was banned for reasons other than just meta percentage share.

this place is a hellhole of misinformation.
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>>65169409
https://twitter.com/TobiHenke/status/1105898713472483328/photo/1
UW has only an about 20% converion rate, and only consistently beats GDS, which is pushed out by dredge (which also beats control). Just because UW is being played doesn't mean it's any good, stop with this meme that control is in a good position right now.
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>Forgive my ignorance, I'm an Arena baby.
Wasn't this card printed to be a direct answer to some OP modern decks? Why is the price so low?
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>>65169409
It's almost as if JtMS, Teferi, Search, and consistent Terminus didn't exist back then.
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>>65169409
>what a load of rubbish

You can literally go on mtg top 8 and filter to any period right before Twin ban and put ALL the decks into one of those camps. Abzan Company? Junk? All G/B/x. Grixis Control? Twin? All U/R/x. Titan, Tron, Affinity, Infect, Burn? All linear shit. I DEFY you to name a deck with over 2% meta share that doesn't fit in those groups.
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>>65169483
this isn't actually a proper take from this data. nothing is "pushed out". Nobody is not playing any of these decks. otherwise, by your logic, spirits is "pushed out" by phoenix so u/w is good. But that's obviously not how it works, and an incredibly stupid take from looking at this.

and u/w is fine against dredge. there are versions of u/w that just maindeck RiP these days. So even your erroneous take from this data isn't even accurate assuming "pushed out" is a thing that exists (it doesn't)..
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>>65169576
because it doesn't answer shit, apart from maybe one or two vintage decks.
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>>65169483
I always thought U/W Control was overplayed. Mostly because it's one of the only control decks in modern that can beat a wide variety of decks on game one.
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>>65169596
saying grixis and twin are the same category because they share colors is retarded. saying a combo deck like junk company and a junk midrange deck are the same category because they share colors is downright ridiculous.

no wonder you defend twin, you're actually retarded and prove it further with each post.
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wizards agrees that twin should be banned and no amount of former twin player tears about not having their oppressive deck will change that.

get fucked you easy-road wanting shitters
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>>65169032
What did you get after you sold that?
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>>65168620
I believe it was in the finance anon must-buy list last month.
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>>65169678
if they didn't agree, wouldn't they have unbanned it? seems kind of silly to say
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>>65169940
>twinfags are literally fucking illiterate
you can't make this shit up. but it's not surprising.
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>>65169970
I have never played twin
I play burn and ponza :^)
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>>65169678
I have never played twins, and also think it should be unbanned. You might be projecting a bit.
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>>65154327
>>65154427

I'll end up getting both eventually. But I want one to start with.
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>>65168697
If you have chalices you can play Thalia Stompy
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>>65170063
I have never played twin and want it unbanned. Mostly because I want more interactive games, and don't care how they make this happen by this point.
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>>65170211
same
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>>65170183
>chalices
you think I'm daddy warbucks or something
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>>65170211
force of will in modern horizons, friend
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>>65169576
It's actually for Vintage. This card does nothing in most Modern matchups.
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>>65169596
>Titan, Tron, Affinity, Infect, Burn? All linear shit.
Which Titan? Shift is the most linear, and Amulet the least, of all the decks in Modern.
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>>65169576
Dies to bolt.
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>>65170703
You know who else dies to bolt?
your mom
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>>65171054

>>65171054

>>65171054
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>>65170940
Protection from red and black. Nice try though.
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>>65170211
How the fuck is an infinite 2 card combo "interactive"? And don't you dare pull a "b-b-but it runs counterspells!" and "it forces decks to run interaction in the format!"
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>>65160924
They are more greedy, but you get more options in exchange.
>>65161062
Other than fatal push, esper charm is the main reason, though having discard in the SB to bring against combo is nice too.
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>>65171197
>it forces decks to run interaction in the format!
Sound
Yes it does, just like dredge forces you to use graveyard hate. Is this not a logic conclusion.
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>>65170211
>U/R Phoenix is the top deck
>complaining about lack of interactive games
ayy lmao
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>>65171301
Twin never actually caused decks to run interaction, people just have this idea that it did.
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The new thread got deleted btw, since someone had the bright idea to make it lewd.
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>>65171341

>>65171341

>>65171341
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>>65171320
I never said it did. But like dredge forces tron to run Relic of Progenitus, It would be nice if there was a deck that did this to linear decks. Not that it would have to be Twin, just something that would fill a Force of Will like spot.
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>>65143416
Saddest moment in the weatherlight saga desu



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