Remember When I Was Scary EditionWhat Deck Do You>Play>Hate>Try to make workTQ: We all know phoenix are the new overlords. Nothing lasts forever obviously, but do you enjoy this phoenix meta? Is it fun to play with? against? Were the metas of old ie Jund 2012, Splinter Twin, Delver, Humans, KCI, etc a more or less fun modern experience than this?Resources:https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paperhttps://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=legal%3Amodernhttps://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=MOPrevious thread >>65124973
What's some good flavor texts out there
>>65143416I have a foil of this. Gonna post it later if you want.
>>65143259>PlayingPEAK PERFORMANCE http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/peak-performance/>HatingSome control players are putting in Emrakul/Kozilek in their sideboards just to counter me because it's such a free matchup for me>Trying to make workI'm pretty happy with this http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wr-turns-1/It could use a little work and I'm thinking about taking it in a Chalice/Blood moon direction just to stomp more nerds but when the deck works, it's a lot of fun>TQI've never had an easier meta in my entire lifeEveryone banking on Phoenix or Control makes my life so easyI just steamroll EVERYTHING except mono red Phoenix cause it's all burn and they don't search their library
>>65143259>TQThe meta fine, but as someone who wants to play a control deck that isn't uwx, it sucks. Burn kicks my shit in as it always has, and every other deck is basically burn with extra steps (all flavours of phoenix, dredge, hollow one, ect).Path to exile being infinitely better than fatal push is my major gripe about how the format plays out as someone who tries to force ubx control but is relegated to playing uw at competitive events, because exiling something is stupidly 10x better than killing it in this meta.My favourite meta was right as grixis shadow became big, so basically before gp vegas 2016. Back when it was a midrange deck that had closing speed. Only annoying shit happening was the usual titanshift / tron / random big mana bullshit.
>>65143259Is not playing white the ultimate cuckoldry?I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than not playing white. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are untapping, upkeeping, drawing and playing a card you've for at least three turn solely so it can go and get hosed by another card. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little deck - reading tournament reports, testing against your local meta, making sure is has the correct cards, sleeving it, playing with it. All of it has one simple result: it's cards are more devestating for the men that will eventually hose it's strategy.Built the perfect deck? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way it was built, who plays against it. He gets to hose it's wincons. He gets the benefits of three points.As a man who doesn't play white you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 hours of your life simply to build a deck for another man to destroy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically
How expensive is Legacy Burn when compared to Modern Burn?
>>65143786About the same price
Nothing brings me more joy than beating expensive decks with cheap ones.
>>65143879Don't be shy, anon, you know you want it :^)
>>65143914Re-evaluate your life.
>>65143914>cheap onesTell me about those.
>>65144041You got me, in fact i'm dying for it, but only if posted with a sexy playmat underneath. I myself have a pretty big old foil collection and they are my favorite cards.
>>65143686>swamp>ritual>duress+hymnThe chad Black player, the virgin White one.
>>65144112Give me 3 hours to get back home from work.Love the rk post and Moeller art.
Unstable > RavnicaProve me wrong
>>65144294>these cards will never be legal Fuck you
>>65144336Play more kitchen table magic. My friends and I will sometimes do a retard draft where we'll mix in Un cards (which included an Uno card one time since it's an 'Un' card as well)
>It will never be viableJust hold me Anons.
>>65144635It could be thrown in a Wilderness Reclamation deck maybe because the biggest problem is it's 7 mana and you're tapping out to gain 7 life
>>65144525>an Uno card>wild draw fourbusted as fuck
>>65144720it's a sorcery
>>65144899Q-quicken! I'm not a moron fren
>>65144899I know that. I know you can't search for it either but you cast it, and then uptap all of your lands so you can still do instant shit later. Because as I said the biggest problem is it's 7mana and then you tap out for it. Both of which the Reclamation deck has no problem with.
>https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-london-mulligan-rule-mathematically-benefits-strategies-that-rely-on-specific-cards/?_ga=2.215211799.1096740753.1552590259-1762973562.1547898968>the probability of finding an opening hand that guarantees a turn-3 Karn Liberated or Wurmcoil Engine goes from 16% under the Vancouver mulligan rule to 33% under the London mulligan rule.Dear god.
>>65145040Enjoy this trash format becoming even worse
>>65145050London mulligan is only being tested, they might decide it's awful and not go for it.
>>65145040https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/modern-horizons-is-force-of-will-unrealistic-in-modern/?_ga=2.256207371.1420149885.1552551518-74923090.1552551518I'm more interested in this.
>>65145040>turn 3 Karn>threatlol at this grampaWe turn 1 Narset now.https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-narset-combo-67565#paper
>>65143416Literally been looking for this based on a vague conception of the flavor text alone for like almost 15 years now since some kid showed it to me in middle school.
>>65144947If you've got seven lands in hand just cast Scapeshift and win the game instead of trying to rely on a three card combo from hell in order to win the game seven turns later.
>>65145358How the fuck does this work?
>>65145508Haven't even looked at the list but it's gonna be a Goryo's Vengeance into massive spells deck.
>>65145508Mostly it doesn't. The idea is to swing with Narset, put Omniscience/Enter the Infinite into play and win
>>65143416Orb of dreams
>>65143786I think legacy burn is a little cheaper because all you need are basics and fetches
are the hyper mat premium sleeves the same as the USA new formula ones? we don't have the exact same model here in europehow do they compare to DS mattes anyway?
I'd like some pointers with this deck I just made. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ciphercopy/
>>65148604counterspell isn't modern legal.Mist-Cloaked Herald, Pteramander, Siren Stormtamer, Merfolk Trickster, Tempest Djinn are a few cards to look at that might fit
>>65148759It's table top causal. I have a friend who doesn't like to play by the rules, so this deck is to take all his good shit and counter threats I can't answer.
>>65148759All of these are great suggestions senpai. The Djinn least of all, but thanks.
>>65148759Thinking trade sky's for heraldsSideboarding phantasmal for pteramendersDropping an island and a ninja for 2 siren'sTrading bindings for tricksters
Is Bant spirits playable without hierarch?I'm currently playing gw value town, and considering I already have most of the cheaper spirits, I can just transfer over my coco and path to exile.Would I be okay with birds instead of hierarch for the moment?
>>65149983It's okay but not the best.
>>65149983>Is Bant spirits playable without hierarch?>Is a deck playable without the card that literally makes it playable?
>>65150011Ignore this idiot. Yes you can play it with Birds but your aggro will be stifled a bit without Exalted from Hierarch. The mana production and shit though would be exactly the same.
>>65148422Haven't tried new formula, only the old hyperjaps and my current deck is sleeved in DS mattes.With the old hypermattes, the texture on the back was not as fine and I thought it looked a bit ugly to be honest. DS mattes are perfect sleeves in my book, but be careful as one pack I bought contained sleeves which were cut a little irregularly, my lgs said it was super rare and they would replace it if I caught it in store anyway.
>>65149998>>65150011>>65150033Thanks guys, still new to the game so sorry if my question was dumb.I plan on getting hierarchs eventually
>>65148917Why are you in /mmg/ then?>see mmg thread>post shit out of format>get confused when ppl point this out
>>65144130what happens if you play black/white then
Young Pyromancer or Pteramander in my 2 creature flex slot for Phoenix?
>>65143686>I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than not playing white. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are untapping, upkeeping, drawing and playing a card you've for at least three turn solely so it can go and get hosed by another card. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little deck - reading tournament reports, testing against your local meta, making sure is has the correct cards, sleeving it, playing with it. All of it has one simple result: it's cards are more devestating for the men that will eventually hose it's strategy.Why are you describing white decks then?
>>65143914>builds $10 vampire madness deck>play against multiple of friends $100+ decks>he gets extremely angry and its making me pretty uncomfortable>tell him i think im done playing for now> "NO WE ARE GONNA KEEP PLAYING TILL I WIN ON">jesus christ i feel like hes gonna stab me if i win again so i start keeping shitty hands and let him win>mfw
>>65151033I've been on the opposite side of that. I rarely get mad, but sometimes rng is so fucked it gets frustrating. I remember playing a 25 land deck, and 14 consecutive draws were 1 land 6 nonlands, and then draws 15~17 were 6 lands and 1 non land. The reason people get mad is because they are helpless. There is literally nothing you can do against rng bar mana weaving, which is cheating.
>>65151140just play izzet phoenixas long as your starting hand has a cantrip and a land in it you're good to go
>>65151140he just has a problem with taking the game too personally and then getting mad when it doesnt go his way, its just awkward to play with him sometimes cause "all your decks are cancer" i run all janky homebrew shit always sub $50, the only thing he likes playing against is aggro but then when i played aggro (vampires) he got mad at that too....
>>65143604>ubx control but is relegated to playing uw at competitive eventsJust play esper, it was always the best combo anyway
>>65151168I refuse to play a deck if its among the top 5 most played according to mtggoldfish. The exception is GDS from time to time, but only because it feels unique to play. Note that I don't mind losing, what I do mind is extremely unlikely situations (Like this one time I was playing against a friend and if literally any 2 cards in the deck swapped places, even any 2 lands, he would have lost, and he went through all 60 of them, but miraculously they were in just the correct order (so miraculously in fact, that I started to suspect he cheated, which he admitted to after a bit of probing, without him realizing he did, so I didn't get as mad)).
>>65151256>my friend cheats at kitchen table magicAnon...I don't even.
>>65151301>not sliding a dozen cheatyfaces into play when your friend checks his phone
>>65151301Technically we are using actual modern decks, not just random piles. But I was just as perplexed, but he didn't realize he admitted to cheating, so I started keeping a closer eye on him, and lo and behold. He was doing things like Serum vision, draw a card, then "scry 2" but put both of the cards in his hand, and fetch for lands he can't. And he would do it all really nonchalantly. I can only suspect he was doing it for quite some time. I have a habit of trusting that the other person would follow the rules without me having to babysit and ruleslawyer him, because it's just a fucking card game, what's the point of playing it if you aren't playing it by the rules.
>>65151390Why are you even friends with somebody like that? Don't get me wrong, I have a slew of atrocious personality traits, but something about cheating in a no-stakes game just feels really fucked up to me for some reason.
>>65151492we don't choose our friends I guess.
>>65151492>>65151529Also, having been surrounded by either horribly bad, or horribly incompetent people ever since elementary school, I got used to the fact I have to micromanage others.
>>65151529That was unironically profound, my dude.
can someone comment on thishttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-blue-green-midrange#paperIs it any good? What should I change. I like the concept of a UG midrange deck
>>65151879>Anything I should changeYes, splash white
>>65144635what if proliferate engine?
>>65151879looks like a pile of good simic cards (except for that frilled mysic lol)
>>65143259I switched from death's shadow to grixis delver to relax, but I keep winning for some reason. I guess people forget how to play when they see cards they aren't used to. Regardless, delver + snapcaster + young pyromancer + tasigur has things going for it.
>>65143686White taxes you, white hoses you. White exiles your wincon and gives you a fucking land for your trouble. If it depended on white, nothing would ever happen.
>>65152100that's a lot of creatures for a wanna-be spellslinger
>>65152060what do i add white for? path, queller?
>>65152179That's why it's relaxing. Only having eight creatures makes death shadow nerve wracking for me. Low threat density makes for difficult muligan and deployment desicions. The delver deck is more of a midrange deck. I based it on this one:www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-delver-73452
>>651520874 frilled mystic4 mystic snake4 willderness reclamatiosome ramp some counters can this jank work?
>>65152188Not him but White automatically means 4 Path
Some dude from work dumped 2 cardboard boxes with a shitton of old magic cards in them at my house. I assume most are ass, but should I try to make a deck? Is there a way to maintain a virtual list of what cards I have so I can easily sort through them, like a spreadsheet?
>>65151879>$1700 burgerbux for some fun tier 2 hankJust end this format and my life
>>65152539that I got. But what else? I presume -2 spell snare -2 dismember,+4 path, -1 mystic, +1 queller. anything else?
>>65152674If you're going to splash white you may as well swap out your 2 Finks for Knight of Autumn. Also Shackles is probably not a good idea in a 3c deck.
>>65152585check for value, chances are that if he stopped to play a while ago some cards back then worthless are now pricey. Same thing happened to me because a friend stopped to play 5 years ago and wanted to save some space. He offered me his 'old shitty uncos and commons' : 1 huge ass box 2ft high filled with cards. Found 2 vials, 3x portal goblin lore, a playset of SSG, 1 ESP, 2 coldsnap mishra bauble, countless utopia sprawl and 3 manamorphoses... from the top of my mind.Someone trashes is someone else treasure anon.Tho on the other hand when it's sold by randoms on ebay or craiglists and adverstised as random old stuff, you can be 110% sure everything of value, even 10c, have been wiped out and only truly worthless shit remain. I'm stating the obvious but there are still way too many naive anons getting scammed this way.
>>65152534>ramping to play counters instead of ramping to win the game
>>65152782-2 Finks +2 KoA, -2 Shackles +2 queller?
What are your favorite keywords/mechanics?
>>65152803the idea is to ramp to counter stuff and beat the opponent slowly i call ug mystic agroo
>>65153002This plan sucks because 2/2s and 3/2s that you actually have to pay for are pretty much irrelevant in Modern. Someone actually manages to stick a Hollow One, Gurmag Angler, Prized Amalagam, Scavenging Ooze or Thing in the Ice and your whole game plan goes tits up.
>>65152952Double Strike, sacrificing creatures as a cost
>>65153040have i got the card for you
>>65153034Not him, but I guess that's where cryptic commands come into play. Either bounce or tap.
>>65153052yes, I wish samurai were a better supported archetype, shame bushido is a godawful mechanicI briefling considered throwing together a Zurgo deck so I could have a facesmash commander in samurai colors, but I would imagine the deck to be just as ineffectual as my iroas facesmash deck, which I disassembled
>>65153034oh but we got damn mana leaks i think the jank game can work, will try to get that shit togheter and see how it goes, i missing the snake and wilderness rec.
>>65143416Many many goblin cards. My number one is Ib the Halfheart."Everyone but me, attack!"
>>65153002So it’s a slow (bad) tempo deck?Look I’d love for this deck to work out cuz I fucking love the concept. But it’s not gonna happen in Modern. People killed you the turn before your tempo game went online.
>>65153002A guy in my LGS runs that in Bant. Claims it's great, and it's a pretty neat deck. Runs 4 Frilled Mystic, the Arbor Elf/Sprawl package, Commands, E-Witness, some clone effects (Cackling Counterpart?), Knight of Autumn, and a bunch of other shit.
>>65151256going to the desolatormagic school of "that'll show those filthy netdeckers" are we?
>>65144361This is a card just waiting to be exploited.
I have the cash to buy Amulet Titan or G Tron. What'll it be?
>>65154275Amulet if you aren't a brainlet, Tron if you are.
>>65154268In EDH yeahIn Modern, it's not happening6 mana is too much with no easy way to cheat out Enchantments
>>65154275tron is way easier and more consistently powerful, though there's no telling when wizards might finally break down and ban ancient stirrings
How does boros monarch use their lightning zaps and galvanic blasts?Do you use them to smash your enemy or is it also smart to use on creatures for control?
>>65154905I love original Mirrodin's aesthetic.
>>65154718The best part is that it's not even technically flavor text, but reminder text. But it's the most flavorful reminder text in the game.
i haven't played Modern in fukken years, and my collection is just sitting in my binder gathering dust (and value)where's a good place to sell it off?
>>65155219Your local paper recycling center.
>>65155219I'll give you $3.50
>>65155374>>65155395no seriously, where do you guys sell cards to?
>>65155423I had one worth $100, sold it on ebay
>>65155445sounds like a good way to lose moneyi'll just take them to my LGS i guess
>>65155462I don't have a LGS, didn't get fucked over though, probably because the name on the address sounded white.Took plenty of photos of the whole process as evidence.
>his basic lands cost less than $15 per card
>>65154905>opponent plays last word>you last your word your own spell to get the real last word
>>65155534Price check on tcg player. They have endless shops that will buy your cards. If your cards are worth enough money, and you don't mind paying shipping costs.
>>65155219Facebook. eBay and TCGPlayer will fuck you over on fees and LGS's and online shops only offer you 60% at the fucking utmost. On FB you can unload you collection for 80% value instantly, 90% if you don't mind waiting a bit for bites.
>>65155839>having 0 Taigas in your deck
Sorting through some old cards. Why is shelldock isle so much more valuable than the other lands of its kind in other colors?
>>65143259Got him in a booster once and never used him because i’m Not a bluefag
>>65156044I just really want to play Amulet Titan, okay?
I'm gonna be entering all these cards into mtg collection builder and not sleeping tonight.
>>65156300Do you need to ask?http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/peak-performance/
>>65156466I mean I figured it would be good in mill decks, but not THAT good.
>>65156300It's the only one that you can both reliably trigger and get good value from.
Any good combos for this?
>>65156519Not at that mana cost unfortunately
>>65156440Oof. I'm praying for you Anon
>>65156440I should do this while my collections only a little box, is mtg collection builder the best?
>>65156606The lack of sleep is worth it to finally get them organized and start thinking about deckbuilding. I got them all for free and the total net value is already around 100 and I've put in roughly 400 cards.
so are protection runes objectively better than circles?
>>65156676Depends on how much you splash white.Ageis of honor is so much better and it doesn't see any play either.
>>65156519>Damage causes loss of life.
Would Sinkhole make sense as a Horizons common?
>>651565194 rituals, 3 manamorphos to make black, enchantment, grapeshot. Not worth it.
Is it just me, or is manamorphose just free draw? Why wouldn't you thin your deck with a free draw 1?
>>65156872Less info in your opening hand so worse at mulling. You can't always draw into what you want, so often spending 2 mana to do nothing. Sometimes forces you to commit mana during phases you rather wouldn't. Definitely a bad card in decks that don't care about storm count.
>>65156929Thanks, I am just retarded.
>>65155846Or remand your own spell, or exile last word, or change its target, or hit it with something really weird like ertai's meddling, or ...If you really want the last word you should run split-second cards and pray your opponent doesn't want to unmorph anything.
>>65143259I have a jank deck that uses him, firebrand archer and curiosity. It's low tier fun.
>>65144738>tfw that beast is never gonna pound my bp without mercy>>65152952Cascade, undying, annihilator, convoke, and the poorly cost awaken, scavenge and forecast.>>65151529>>65151553don't forget you end up being the average of the people you surround yourself with
>>65156625There's something really fullfilling about sorting your cards. On that note, how do people here organize their cards? I just sort by color, then alphabetically, and keep a separate set for the rares and mythics sorted the same way.
>>65157634Color > type of card > rarityWent full autistic few years ago and sorted each creature by creature types, but that's it
>>65152952Draw a card
>>65157634In that spirit:How do people keep track of all their cards?I like to play decks that allow me to brew a bit, so I can have 4 versions of a deck + all the sideboard cards I could want for that archetype in one pile.Then I have unfinished decks in separate piles, my complete decks in deckboxes and cards I want to trade away in a binder and then a bunch of cards in cardboxes.Stuff like extra basics are great to have this way.I know I can massively improve my setup, so I would love to hear suggestions.
Can CoCo hit Dryad Arbor? Arbor doesn't have a mana cost, but its CMC is still 0 right, so it should work right?
I have on a gift box all my mono color common cards excluding master sets. On a storage box I have all my masters sets common on one half. The middle is all lands regardless of rarity. Then all the commons. All are ordered by WUBRG followed by multi color stuff ordered in ally colors, enemy colors, alara shards, khans wedges, four color leftovers then five color cards which is only like one, and artifacts are the very front. Rares and Mythics are in two pre release boxes, one for Mono color and the second for lands multi color and artifacts. I bought two boxes of the recent ravnica sets and I have all of that stuff in two fat pack boxes which is ordered by the card number but everything else is ordered just by color, no alphabetical stuff. I also have all my eldrazi stuff separated. Under all of this I have the yugioh cards sealed away.
>>65158438Sun's zenith into dryad arbor is a thing in some legacy decks.You can also get it with a fetch land.
>>65143259>PlayEsper Control>HateNothing>do you enjoy this phoenix meta? Is it fun to play with? against?Playing against Phoenix is fine when you have both path and push. Things get more interesting if they bring in walkers / countermagic from the SB.
>>65154609Unless there's some threat generating lots of value while on the board, potentially killing you next turn, or able to block some huge fucker on your side that gets more damage in than the bolts, burn to the face ALWAYS.
>>65154609>boros monarchIsn't that a pauper deck?
>>65158941Got an esper list? I've been on uw, but a b splash always seemed like a good idea.
>>651604753 color control decks have always felt a little greedy to me. Your field of ruins aren't as strong, you take more damage from your lands, and you're weaker to opposing land destruction (not that you'll see it often but ponza and D&T are out there). Not to mention UW just has everything a control deck wants.
>>65160924The other deck i play is bw eldrazi and taxes, so i know how awful that matchup would be.
>>65160924>>65160475What exactly does black add other than Fatal Push? Running UWr feels pretty nice with the chance to run both Lightning Bolt and Lightning Helix, practically granting an additional wincon via burn. Your counterspells, wraths, and Paths provide enough excellent removal. The only other card I can even think to add would be Gurmag Angler which just feels redundant with Collonades.
>>65161062Fucking duh, Thoughtseize. Still, doesn’t feel like quite a strong enough reason to run black. Anything else I’m missing?
>>65161076>>65161062esper charm, lingering souls
>>65161062Usually black control decks run tasigur over gurmag for the potential card advantage. But yeah, the goal of a control deck is to be reactive rather than proactive so thoughtseize or IoK wouldn't be more than a 1- or 2-of.
>>65143259>PlayUR delver and cheapo affinity>HateMill>Try to buildCan't decide between Ponza or RG scapeshift
>>65161299Ponza is fun even if it sucksTitanshift is a bad deck that preys on decks that want to interact and loses to the goldfish deck while being a goldfish deck itself. Titanshift is usually described as the least fun deck with the least amount of play to it.
>>65161299Do you like being the villain? Not a big villain, more a smug comedy villain. If yes then I csn thoroughly recommend Ponza, because I have been called a terrorist for playing it.
>>65154268I had fun with it when I played omniscience and then proceeded to go on a long-ass combo only to whiff as i had my hand full of lands
>>65161419>>65161605Okay, ik convinced it sounds fun, and I always like big boy creatures. I am just a poor student so I will always make budget versions first, so far I have this, which is 44 euros or something.4x Acidic slime4x Arbor elf2x Birds of Paradise4x Bloodbraid Elf4x Inferno titan2x Thragtusk4x Molten Rain2x Beast Within4x Mwonvuli Acid-Moss4x Stone Rain4x Utopia Sprawl7x Mountain11x Forest4x Evolving WildsI would like to keep it under 70 euros.
>>65161926Looks good fren, I can recommend Glorybringer if you have one lying around.
>>65161926Get yourself some better duals, copperline gorge, rootbound crag and stomping ground are all good options. Ideally you'd be running fetches but on a budget I would cut the wilds and 4-6 mountains with something like 2-3 stomping grounds and 4 rootbound crags. Stormbreath and glorybringer are cheap and perform well.After you get everything for the budget mana then focus on the more expensive pieces like tireless tracker and chandras, then get the full on fetches manabase.
>modern is too fast>Let's keep the police of the format bannedIf you asked for a twin ban, don't complain of lack of interaction in modern. You have the shit format you deserve
>>65162075the problem isn't that the format has no interactionthe problem is that the format's interaction consists entirely of 1-mana removal spells and thoughtseize
>>65161926>I am just a poor student so I will buy chink fakesFtfy
Am I 2 lands short? Or 2 Benalia short? This shitbrew is getting crowded. halphttps://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-02-19-orzhov-knight-tribal/
>>65162075No matter how bad life gets, I feel good that I'm not so dumb as to think Twin was doing anything good. You people are room-temperature IQ drooling retards, and so at least I can look with disdain at you, no matter what else happens in life.
there should be a trinisphere for noncreature spells that costs 1 mana
>>65162199This is the kind of idiot that deserves to get KCI'd to death
how can jitte still be banned when it costs 4 mana to do anything with it
>>65155839>he doesnt have matching art Summer basicsdude we talked about this
>>65162314Cuz if they unban Jitte they can’t unban Stoneforge :)
>go first>basic plains>exile simian spirit guide>play Leonin Arbiter>opponent concedes and goes to game 2 without revealing what they're playingfucking lmao
Debating wether or not to get an Underground sea this paycheck or the next so I can get started on UB reanimator/ Esper Stoneblade
>>65163042>Paying 800 USD for cardboardNice meme
>>65163114>Paying money for anything
>>65163154>Sucking the secondary market so hard he cannot counterargument except with absurds+1 shekel added to your star of David account
>>65163191Nah, its usually something that involves accusing someone that starts the arugment of being poor and using sutble forms of mental gymnastics to try to convice the other person to not buy the card because they are jealous and dont want others to have it.This is something that only happens with very high ticket dual land, never tarmogoyfs, bobs or lilies.Its not like this will change your mind either, you are just going to keep saying "Fuck this guy lol" because you are not only petty but also poor.
>>65163272>Buying something cheap is mental gymnastics>Justifying a cardboard rectangle price of 800 USD isn'tMtgfags are so down the hole they have to rationalize their bad financial choices this hard
>someone went 5-0 in the new lists with 4x mana tithe mb, 4x choke sbwhat
>>65163325>Its not like this will change your mind either, you are just going to keep saying "Fuck this guy lol" because you are not only petty but also poor.
>>65163272damn never seen someone btfo so swiftly in one post
>>65162490>Wanting control decks to be better
>>65163380Sounds like my kind of deck. Is it base white?
Slightly off topic but is D&T a good way to get into legacy? I love the archtype but it's not good enough in modern.
>>65163380Choke is based.
>>65163572it's one of the better legacy decks but it's reasonably priced from so many of the cards getting reprints, so yes.it's also good in modern
>>65163572It's not a good way to get into legacy because you'll lose a bunch while you learn the format, but when you get everything down you'll do good because the deck is great.
>>65163620No matter what deck you start out with you'll probably lose most of your games at first because Magic is Hard™.
>>65163191you want a good argument? you are killing the game.
>>65163680Not true. In legacy you have 2 types of decks : - leave me alone- i won't leave you aloneD&T isof the second kind, meaning you have to know how to play every single deck of the format and what annoy them the most before playing the deck optimally. The way of playing the deck will change radically depending on which deck you are facing. It's why new players are doing so bad with the deck and very good players are doing so well.
>>65163852>you are killing the gameT. investorfag
>>65145508>turn 1 Gemstone+land>mana monkey into faithless looting discarding narset>Goryo's narset>drop a omniscensce down>cast another goryo's>cast a fury of the horde into other spells>cast spoils of the vault>cast pull from eternity>cast goryo'sYou get the drill.You will swiftly erase the smile from the Tron player's face with 3 tron lands in hand and a daddy Karn.
>>65163852how can anyone actually think this? how stupid do you have to be?price is the number one reason anyone says as to why they don't play eternal formats. The secondary market is ridiculous and is actually inhibiting new players from joining the game. Stopping new players from joining is how you actually kill games. No new players is how games die retard. Chinese fakes are a SYMPTOM of bad prices, not the cause. If prices weren't bad, the chinese fake makers wouldn't have a market to sell to. If you have lots of cards that are worth lots of money, you still benefit from lowered prices, because you have more people to play with. If you sit there with your closet of expensive cards, and no one joins you, those cards are going to lose value when the game becomes a relic. Cards only have value because people assign value to them socially. No one is going to do that if the game becomes less popular. The secondary market was already torn a new asshole a thread ago and no one was able to make any real counter-arguement, just memes and insults. Which is always the case with you people. You are genuinely stupid, selfish, and short-sighted if you support the secondary market prices being what they are. And it's downright ironic for you to say anyone else is the ones killing the game. Absolutely astounding that someone would believe this, it's the opposite of reality. This hasn't been refuted:>>65066368>>65066426
Why don't you buy cards for the new kids to join the eternal formats?
>>65164819this fallacy was already addressed as well. Follow the reply chain of the posts I linked.
>>65164819I have lended out cards and decks for legacy events multiple times.
>>65164819I don't have money to buy cards for myself, how could I buy Legacy decks for someone else? If I had more decks I would lend them to people that treat cards well, why not, I just want to play.IF I had the money I'd probably gift Legacy decks to friends that intend to get serious about it, again, why not?
>>65164714Love you, keep up the good work.
>>65164528sounds like magical christmas land
>>65164978Well it's a glasscannon but with the new mulligan and serum powder it's not gonna be so glass anymore.Hope we get some other reanimator spell from Horizons, maybe I should get my Griselbrands now.
>>65162910ive done that before as well.
>>65165136Good thinking, I'm also buying FoWs, I think they have a real chance of entering modern and even if they don't I now have everything for legacy gds but the duals.
Which version of Jeskai Ascendancy should I play tonight? I want the most meme version possible.
>>65163019>>65162113Keep fighting the good fight fellas. Only idiots give their money to the secondary market jews
>modern burn is more expensive than legacy burn
>>65165919It kind of makes sense since with most decks, the money is the manabase, and since mono red has a much deeper pool in legacy than modern there isn't a need to splash any color.
>>65152628Just stop playing Modern and start playing Pauper instead. Better format and more affordable
>>65166443Where do I find people playing paper pauper?
>>65166470Homeless shelters, under bridges, low-income government housing, etc. You know, just anywhere poorfags congragate.
>>65166470FLGSs, kitchen tables, gaming groups, college campuses
>>65166502Imagine feeling important for wasting money on cardboard lmao
>>65166470>tfw LGS changed legacy from monthly to bimonthly to make room for pauperPoorfags OUT
>>65166567Funny you say that.....the majority of people I know who play Pauper play Legacy as well. There is a reason Pauper is called "Legacy Lite"
>>65166536Imagine being able to buy the things you actually want as opposed to having to console yourself with Poorfag: the Format.
>>65166586We get around 15 players both on pauper and legacy and only 1-2 players overlap. I don't get this reddit/professor "legacy lite" meme. It plays nothing like legacy.
>>65166567>spend $30000 on a legacy deck>get kicked out so shitters with $30 decks can playlol
>>65166607>It plays nothing like legacy.I never said it did. The card pool, however, has a lot of crossover.
>>65166754I've played in multiple premodern events and never even heard of that card. Why play that garbage when you can play Gilded Drake?
>>65166754>http://premodernmagic.com/>>65166775Fourth Edition to Scourge? That is so limited you may as well just play block constructed and pick a block you like from that time period
>>65166754Is this a real thing or just another memeformat invented by hoarders like oldschool?And how could riptide be considered even remotely playable in a format where half the most broken sets are legal?As >>65166775 pointed out gilded drake is a billion time better.
>>65166848It's a real format, played even by new players because most of the more powerful decks don't need expensive cards. I myself just bought UG Madness for less than $100.
>>65166848It's another memeformat but it's fairly popular in the usual "old school" countries like Sweden and Italy. Mutts have their own format called middle school which is basically the same thing but with mana burn, damage on stack and a different banlist.
>>65166870>Mutts have their own format called middle schoolI live in SoCal, the muttiest goddamn place on the planet, and have never heard of this shit.Also,>manaburn>damage on the stack>but no repealing the conga line of doom
>>65166833>see play in edh>600 decks on edhreclmao this stupid nigger contradict himself in the same sentence. You have rares from the same set who see 20x more play according to edhrec and they aren't worth anything. This is the most stupid buyout ever made. Probably coming from plebbit, like most absurd specs.
>>65166905>>see play in edh>>600 decks on edhrecHe said it sees play but is far from a staple, then goes on to support the far more likely scenario of the buyout. Are you financebro? Any Narset Cannon pieces but Griselbrand likely to spike with Modern Horizons?
>>65166991>Any Narset Cannon pieces but Griselbrand likely to spike with Modern Horizons?Yep its me.Gemstones caverns but if you are smart you alrdy have alrdy your copies since 1+ year. The quantity availible is absurdly low. Alrdy spiked recently but it's only the beginning.SSG wont spike but it's still super low from the A25 reprint and it's a good time to pick them for cheap, it wont last long at the actual pricetag.Powder is a trap, don't fall for it, it's way overpriced rn.
>>65167118>Gemstones caverns but if you are smart you alrdy have alrdy your copies since 1+ year. The quantity availible is absurdly low. Alrdy spiked recently but it's only the beginning.lol I bought a set as soon as the London Mull was announced.
>>65167157Nice for you, you will easily double your money fren, but i don't think london mull will ever be adopted. But well, jotc team isn't reputed for being made of bright ppl so who knows.
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>>65168008You're looking for the standard general anon: >>65163397I know it's hard to find cause of the faggot pic, but hey that sums up standardbabs.
>>65163572Depends on the meta. After the drs ban, the meta went from ultra control (miracles and pile) to combo and now to decks that prey on combo (delver/dnt). At some point, itll go back to ultra control to prey on the anti combo decks, and when that happens kollaghan's command will blow out ur asshole if ur dnt.
>>65165247>I now have everything for legacy gds but the duals.I'm in the same spot, I think I have everything else, not sure.>>65166848>memeformat invented by hoarders like oldschoolI wish I had people to play Oldschool with, closest place is Ravenna I think, which is like 4 hours away.>>65167118Do you think Narset will ever be a thing? Card seems great but also unplayable for Modern.
>>65168034It's just the 2 Dominaria cards that aren't modern right?Without them it'sMTG2019, Ravnica Allegiance and Guilds of Ravnica.
>>65168174>Do you think Narset will ever be a thing?If the London Mull ever goes into effect, yes. Right now it's still a nice memedeck for FNM.
>>65168369Your deck is Modern legal alright. It's just that it sucks, putting it mildly.
should i buy an ensnaring bridge soon? posted >>65166832 with no response in the edh thread, which i need it for.
>>65168620Buy it as soon as you can past the 17th of this month.
>>65168620you should stop playing edh
brosI want to play E&T, but a playset of aether vials is like $150can the deck operate okay without it?
>>65168697Yes, it's totally fine.
>>65168732okay, coolwhat should I replace them with?
>>65168697>>65168732No. Creature decks, and especially Taxes decks, live and die off by Vial in their opener. Without it, you're less explosive and less able to deal with control and midrange. You can save the $150 but your win rate will be abysmal.
>>65168822well fucktime to email the chinaman
>>65168756gemstone mines, simian spirit guides, and chalice of the void. Eldrazi stompy is itself another archetype that has many of the same cards as eldrazi taxes that doens't run Vial. It's a very good deck, especially against phoenix.
>>65168839>well fuck>time to email the chinamanGood idea man, I think his vials are pretty deece. He finally just made good Snapcasters too.
What do you use as counters?These "aquarium rocks" would be better if they were half the size.
Neato, pulled scalding tarn, sold it, and then pulled this.
>>65162199Literally this. Just think about it locally. Twin "polices" by making nearly all current decks unplayable. That means the only decks left in a format are Twin and those that can beat Twin. Literally just Twin and anti-Twin. All those anti-Twin decks are currently weak because, guess what, they're just shitty decks in general and the only reason they saw play was to beat Twin. If "the Twin combo gets sided out a lot anyways" is a real argument, and it is a common one, then that means not only is Twin so broken that it's mere EXISTENCE warps the format and renders vast swathes of creative and diverse decks unplayable, but it's so strong, YOU DIDN'T EVEN NEED IT IN YOUR DECK. And if you sided out Twin so often anyways, why unban it? Seems like you don't even use it that often to begin with. It clearly has a replacement in Kiki-Jiki, but I guess that option isn't degenerate and broken enough. The only faggots who want Twin back and enjoyed playing against Twin and taking dick up their ass are Twinfags and midrange/control faggots who think they're special because they're stupid enough to play fair, interactive decks but refuse to take the responsibilities and pitfalls that come with playing those decks, like being slower or weaker to unfavorable linear match ups.All these disgusting niggers want is their cake and to eat it to chase down all the cocks they constantly gargle.
>>65169051>That means the only decks left in a format are Twin and those that can beat Twin.Was not and never been the case. I find it amazing when people post this kind of trash.
>>65166863>buying U/G Madness>not already owning it from when it was your Type 2 deckFaggots, all of you.
>>65169073Sorry, I meant Twin, decks that can beat Twin...and Amulet Titan.
>>65168645>>65168685ah, don’t be that way, anons. some of us need to take breaks with a board game every now and then. you can’t be a super spikechad all the time.
>>65169121And tron. And a handful of others. I'm honestly thinking you have only played since 2015.
>>65168620It's a good card.
>>65169154Tron only saw play to beat the BGx and grixis piles that beat Twin. How you think a RPS format is superior to current Modern's matchup spread is beyond me. Just stop playing decks that fold to graveyard decks, idiot.
>>65169101I started MTG when I was a freshman in high school, using whatever jank I pulled from packs at the time, using Myrs and Skullclamp to be the bane of my lunchroom.Oldfag.
>>65169153I play only meme decks in modern
>>65169176The game is always RPS; combo > aggro > control > combo....(with midrange sprinkled in)Its always been like this and its intended. The problem is that combo in modern isnt allowed unless its 3+ cards and clunky. It gives aggro decks a better shot and pushes all control out with the exception of a couple that can counter the plans. The problem with the format is a lack of strategies, not a lack of decks.
I just found a copy of reconnaissance. I'm confused at how the hell it works. Can you let first strike creatures deal damage before pulling them out? After you pull them out, do the declared blockers still technically keep blocking?
>>65169232That's wrong, since midrange and tempo are distinct from the traditional aggro/combo/control, and even back before Mirrodin, aggro-control existed.The "issue" with Modern from Twin era to now is that Twin era was B/G/x vs. U/R/x vs. linear decks. When you remove U/R/x from the equation by banning Twin, you end up where we are now.
>>65169354what a load of rubbish. the stupid shit I read here never ceases to amaze.u/w is one of the best and most popular decks right now. and twin was banned for reasons other than just meta percentage share. this place is a hellhole of misinformation.
>>65169409https://twitter.com/TobiHenke/status/1105898713472483328/photo/1UW has only an about 20% converion rate, and only consistently beats GDS, which is pushed out by dredge (which also beats control). Just because UW is being played doesn't mean it's any good, stop with this meme that control is in a good position right now.
>Forgive my ignorance, I'm an Arena baby.Wasn't this card printed to be a direct answer to some OP modern decks? Why is the price so low?
>>65169409It's almost as if JtMS, Teferi, Search, and consistent Terminus didn't exist back then.
>>65169409>what a load of rubbishYou can literally go on mtg top 8 and filter to any period right before Twin ban and put ALL the decks into one of those camps. Abzan Company? Junk? All G/B/x. Grixis Control? Twin? All U/R/x. Titan, Tron, Affinity, Infect, Burn? All linear shit. I DEFY you to name a deck with over 2% meta share that doesn't fit in those groups.
>>65169483this isn't actually a proper take from this data. nothing is "pushed out". Nobody is not playing any of these decks. otherwise, by your logic, spirits is "pushed out" by phoenix so u/w is good. But that's obviously not how it works, and an incredibly stupid take from looking at this.and u/w is fine against dredge. there are versions of u/w that just maindeck RiP these days. So even your erroneous take from this data isn't even accurate assuming "pushed out" is a thing that exists (it doesn't)..
>>65169576because it doesn't answer shit, apart from maybe one or two vintage decks.
>>65169483I always thought U/W Control was overplayed. Mostly because it's one of the only control decks in modern that can beat a wide variety of decks on game one.
>>65169596saying grixis and twin are the same category because they share colors is retarded. saying a combo deck like junk company and a junk midrange deck are the same category because they share colors is downright ridiculous. no wonder you defend twin, you're actually retarded and prove it further with each post.
wizards agrees that twin should be banned and no amount of former twin player tears about not having their oppressive deck will change that. get fucked you easy-road wanting shitters
>>65169032What did you get after you sold that?
>>65168620I believe it was in the finance anon must-buy list last month.
>>65169678if they didn't agree, wouldn't they have unbanned it? seems kind of silly to say
>>65169940>twinfags are literally fucking illiterateyou can't make this shit up. but it's not surprising.
>>65169970I have never played twinI play burn and ponza :^)
>>65169678I have never played twins, and also think it should be unbanned. You might be projecting a bit.
>>65154327>>65154427I'll end up getting both eventually. But I want one to start with.
>>65168697If you have chalices you can play Thalia Stompy
>>65170063I have never played twin and want it unbanned. Mostly because I want more interactive games, and don't care how they make this happen by this point.
>>65170183>chalicesyou think I'm daddy warbucks or something
>>65170211force of will in modern horizons, friend
>>65169576It's actually for Vintage. This card does nothing in most Modern matchups.
>>65169596>Titan, Tron, Affinity, Infect, Burn? All linear shit.Which Titan? Shift is the most linear, and Amulet the least, of all the decks in Modern.
>>65169576Dies to bolt.
>>65170703You know who else dies to bolt?your mom
>>65170940Protection from red and black. Nice try though.
>>65170211How the fuck is an infinite 2 card combo "interactive"? And don't you dare pull a "b-b-but it runs counterspells!" and "it forces decks to run interaction in the format!"
>>65160924They are more greedy, but you get more options in exchange.>>65161062Other than fatal push, esper charm is the main reason, though having discard in the SB to bring against combo is nice too.
>>65171197>it forces decks to run interaction in the format!SoundYes it does, just like dredge forces you to use graveyard hate. Is this not a logic conclusion.
>>65170211>U/R Phoenix is the top deck>complaining about lack of interactive gamesayy lmao
>>65171301Twin never actually caused decks to run interaction, people just have this idea that it did.
The new thread got deleted btw, since someone had the bright idea to make it lewd.
>>65171320I never said it did. But like dredge forces tron to run Relic of Progenitus, It would be nice if there was a deck that did this to linear decks. Not that it would have to be Twin, just something that would fill a Force of Will like spot.
>>65143416Saddest moment in the weatherlight saga desu