Why would any pre-modern setting that's actually important like the Greeks were actively reject racism or some other form of discrimination on blood when we have plenty of evidence of such behavior being allowed and accepted by the likes of Greeks and Egyptians? Even the Mongols hated the Han Chinese and discriminated against them in governing.
>>64586256Because it hurts fee-fees.
>>64586256Because they wouldn't? I feel like you've got a strawman you'd like to tear down, but if you don't show us it we're not going to have even the slightest regard for your argument. What thing are you complaining about, anon?
>>64586256Greeks discriminated on basis of culture not on the basis of race.
>>64586347>he thinks Anglos invented the racistStill wrong. Aristotle even said that men born in different climates with different blood had different intelligence than his kind.
>>64586392I think anon's point was that Greeks acted in a manner we would associate with 'racism', but they did so to all non-greeks. Regardless of race, all non-greeks were equally worthless. Even those who were obviously related to them were lesser due to their cultures.Of course he's ignoring the fact that both Persian and Egypt, who existed in this same time period, judged others both by cultural values, and what we would consider 'race'. But by and large our ancestors had a different idea of 'race' than we do today. Germans and French were once considered separate races after all.
>>64586412you wouldn't want to be lumped in with the french either
>>64586456Fuck off Achmed/Anglo.
>>64586456I don't disagree, I was just trying to clarify what I think anon meant, while also pointing out where he was wrong.
>>64586412Im not ignoring shit. OP named greeks so I said a thing about the greeks. I know very little about egypt and persia so I said nothing sbout them.
>>64586256I foresee calm and reasonable debating in this thread.
Because retards like (You) think that the modern concept of racism applies to ancient societies and people.Of course, if you unironically are not a gaylord then sure, nothing wrong with a little racism to build a fantasy setting, but if you are unable to understand why somebody might want to have a setting with characters who accept each other once they earned it, or having a society that may be untrusting but eventually warm up to a nonhuman or other race so their character doesn't feel like shit.
>>64586507OP also named the Egyptians, who had very...ah unpleasant things to say about the Nubians and their dark skin, but fair enough. I retract my statement.
>>64586516I think the important thing to remember is that people hate that which is most similar to themselves. if you're from the the town on the other side of the river and through the forest that keeps poaching during winter and blaming it on us we'll fucking bury you in a swamp at first suspicion, but if you've got green skin and 8 inch goat horns, well, that's some weird shit, but as long as your coin is good, you trade honestly, and don't go sticking your nose where it doesn't belong you're fine, try not to pay any mind to the kids, they've never seen any of your kind before.
>>64586392Yes but the greeks also believed that if you raised some effeminate southerner or some barbarous northerner in Greece he would be of great stock.
>>64586516>modern concept of racism And what's that?
>>64586598>Da Greeks were social justice libshits.
>>64586601>inb4 power + privilege
>>64586601Modern racism is primarily based on genetics, large geographical differences, and skin color.Ancient racism was mostly based on all sorts of visual appearance, such as hair color, and smaller geographical differences. Along with cultural differences , as a stark enough cultural difference could cause even two peoples who look almost exactly alike to consider one another separate races.
>>64586256Probably because a series of painful historical events forced them to confront their racism. Like in real life. But that's boring.
>>64586613They werent and I am not claiming that. They despised people from the east/south as spineless and womanly while hating northerners because they were uncivilised and uncultured.
>>64586631Of course Macedonians were Barbarians, until Alexander the Great. After that they retroactively claimed Macedon had always been Greek.
>>64586256It's slightly a misconception that racism didn't exist in the pre-modern world. So-called "scientific racism" was only made possible by rudimentary understanding of genetics and natural selection when these discoveries were being made and popularized, but you find evidence of medieval people claiming that differences of culture and even religion were reflections of deep-seated biological differences between groups.I found this article interesting in analyzing medieval beliefs about race. They examine beliefs of the time through the stories they created about race. https://www.publicmedievalist.com/medieval-people-racist/
>ITT nobody understands the difference between race and ethnic groups and between racism/race theory and ethnic based conflicts
>>64586656Quite the opposite. Macedonians were barbarians, and then they were Hellenised barbarians, and then they were just Greeks with weird customs (like drinking full strength wine). At this point, they were just seen as weird Greeks...until Philip. When the Macedonians started seriously threatening Greece, then suddenly they became barbarians that all the true Greeks had to stand against.
>>64586256Ancient people tought in general anyone than wasn't of they same race and culture weren't even humans.
>>64586747>White People invented waycismGo back to tumblr.
Did I blink and end up in a troll thread fit for /his/?
>>64586256American racism is American, sorry its just the truth. If you come to the UK you'll discover we hate Polish people and Pakistanis with equal weight.Yes, everyone knows that ancient and medieval peoples discriminated based on genetic make up, but they also applied just as much if not more weight on culture. And they didn't see the world in terms of "white" and "black".I don't know what this has to do with traditional games.
>>64586747This, ethnic cleansing isn't racist
>>64586256The word racism was invented by Leon Trotsky in the 20th century. Before that it was just assumed that anyone rational would believe their own race was superior.
>>64586796Yeah but what if it's two ethnics that aren't part of the same race?
>>64586784actually that is not quite true. Pliny or Strabo for example described different gentes and they sure as hell employed othering, but not based on genetics. Rather on behaviour and mindset. Descriptions of colour also was a thing, but as far as I know, it was not utilized for discrimination at least by these two.
>>64586412>Germans and French were once considered separate races after all.>"were"
>>64586861Please sdon't remind me I'm in the same bucket as the krauts by so called """experts"""
>>64586852Pretty sure that's his point. Different places at different times divided (and still do) people into much more complex categories than "Whites* vs. PoCs" of modern US.*definition of white is as convenient for situation
>>64586832Untrue. The french used the word Racisme before Trotsky was even born. The english used the world Racialism before the word racist, but the two words had the same meaning.
>>64586613Well, they did invent the Democrats.
>>64586910Fuck off commie! All of the evils in the world were invented by your ilk and you know it!
>>64586927Thats blatantly untrue, we perfected all evil, we did not invent it.
>>64586949Bullshit. We did not perfect loans or copyright.
>>64586902yes I just bumped over that 'genetic' you know
>>64586910>the french used the word before Trotcuck>the bongs tooTrotsky was the first to use it as "it's a bad thing", so yeah, Trotsky is the one that created the modern meaning of "racism".>>64586949>we perfected evilthen stop saying the nazis did, for once that you have a thing you're good at
>>64586392Aristotle was discriminated against in Athens for being a foreigner btw senpai
>>64587000>Trotsky was the first to use it as "it's a bad thing",No, the French did that aswell. Just google scholar racisme and sort by pre-1890.
>>64587000Reminder that Liberalism with its Capitalism's death toll easily rivals Hitler and the Commies.>>64587002Still weren't multicultural cucks saying diversity is a strength and not a path to Detroit.
>>64587028The French were running themselves/Europe. And?
>>64587046Very large swathes of Africa and the orient?
>>64587037Not really since commies don't tell how many they killed.
>>64586392...and if they then moved to a different area with different climates, waters, airs they would have different attributes again. That is a concept called environmental determinism closely connected to the hippocratic school.It is also bullshit, but it is not racism.
>>64587028>"just google">googlehehe, not gonna fall for that one, m8>>64587037>Hitler>11 millions>Stalin>60 millions>Mao>100 millions>"liberalism's death tolls can easily rival that">pic related and before you answer, "Death by natural causes in a country with capitalist system" doesn't count
>>64587093>blood has nothing to do with capabilities Whatever you say. Aristotle didn't deny heritage.
>>64587114>Stalin 60 million>USSR had a third of it population killedLol
>>64587189Slavs are damn Niggers yeah. Amerimutts could have just minded their own business and let the Germans wipe them out or make them serfs but nooo.Amerimutts are only 56%White and shrinking complete with letting a mulatto filth rule them so they got well served.
>>64587222I was doubting the number, not laughing about it.
>>64587189>USSR had a third of it population killedActually, USSR's population was 136 million in 1922. That would make 60 mil a half of it. The weirdest part is how all those tens of millions somehow correlate with massive population growth, while Hitler's >11 million seem to have caused an unprecedented dive of around 25 million, and that's just soviet people. Probably commie lies though.
>>64586392can't get over that initial strawman lol
>>64587260I wish I was joking when I said 60 fucking millions.but heh, it's for a timespan of... the 1920's to what? 1989 or something? That's 60 years of political opponent elimination and kulak exterminating
>>64587260>being an unironic Soviet Union apologistHow's the shitholes like Cuba doing?
>>64587273Forgot the pic
>>64587115but that was not my point?
>>64587282>the 1920's to what? 1989 or something? That's 60 years of political opponent elimination and kulak exterminatingStalin died in 1953. With Khruschev's Thaw, political charges were removed from the Soviet Law Code. Kolkhoz system was reformed into sovkhoz in 1957. GULAG system was reformed and diminished in 1955, and dissolved in 1959.
>>64587338that's still 39 years
>>64587282Stalin died in 50s or 60s
>>64587360Put that goalposts back where you picked them up and explain this >>64587273 >>64587290
What's with tg and all the boners for Commies/Stalin/Noble Dictatorships?
>>64587369>stalin died so his communist regime stopped killing people>>64587375Can't explain the second one, I can't read cyrillic for shit
>>64587401You can't read numbers?
>>64587433I can read numbers and graphs, but if i dunno what it stands for, I can't analyze it.to me it could mean "population" or "amount of dogshit ideology thrown at the west"
>>64587397> - I'm not a Nazi, and anyway it were commies who invented racism, and also, and Hitler only killed a little bit of people, and even that is Holohoax. > - But's you're full of shit, fgt. > - Goddammit /tg/ why you love dictatorships so much?!
>>64587441The y axis does mean population. The x axis is years.
>>64586256They wanted to preserve their existence. Blood is a part of the existence of a civilization. One part of many but without it things tend to degenerate to varying degrees as it effects other perceptions and so on. Ancient Greeks did not like blood-mixing and those that even had a Thracian mother, from the barbarian tribes not just the region, would be looked down upon to a certain degree.Even native americans looked down upon those that race-mixed.
>>64587501>They wanted to preserve their existence. Blood is a part of the existence of a civilization.Explain USA.
Because people usually utilize fantasy to escape from tiresome realities like racial relations
Because it's not fun.If you think it's fun you're free to do it in your setting.
>>64587520it's rather self explanatory
>>64587520USA is an empire and was an "empire" type of country. Multi-everything. Mixing races beyond a point can only be non-degenerative in a Golden age of planet earth, almost in 99,9% of the cases.USA is the most degenerate country on planet earth. For each good thing it generates 99 evil things come out of it. That One good thing makes the difference of course. Also the efforts of ancient peoples to preserve their existence should not be taken as a modern concept of racism. It was entirely different.
>>64587592>USA is the most degenerate country on planet earthSo, commies were right?
>>64587620No communists and marxists were and are evil. The Degeneracy of USA has to do with the fact that most things have indeed degenerated;From food and water to the mental and emotional state of beings. From crime to "art" of all or most sorts.
>>64586624In other words, the differences between old and new racism is that old racists didn't understand genetics? Even if that's true, this relies on the assumption that working class families don't like Arabs living in their neighborhoods because of their genetics, not because of their borderline subhuman behavior. What you're talking about is Scientific Racism.
>>64587652>working class families don't like ArabsThey may not like them because Islam, is the worst major religion on earth and the activity of its militant part (terrorists they are called) is kind of evil incarnate...
>>64587620SJW, Fat acceptance, identity politics, "White privilege" and dozens of other abominable idiocies, a polite way to describe these existentially cancerous conditions, come out of the US and are disseminated through them. Used like weapons they degenerate other societies as much as they can. Communism is evil, Fascism is evil and 21st century Degeneracy is evil as well.
I'm okay with a /pol/ containment thread, but I wouldn't mind having it labeled clearly.
>>64586256>>Racism (or whatever)This thread could be in History, not even Pol or some other section.If its for a historical setting in rpgs, its clear as to why part of maintaining an ancient civilization usually involved keeping it homogenous blood-wise.For a fantasy setting it is similar, but you can't really have athasian mul (they are sterile in the setting i think) and some races are just too different to mix to such degrees due to their lifespans or other colossal differences.But a mul-culture i would like to see from a good writer and illustrator.And an alternate history of a medieval-like native american single nation-state where they have some sort medieval plate armor era technology but with their own cultural aesthetics from the myths and religion. That would be awesome.
>>64587520>is filled with subhumansWhat about it?
>>64586613The Romans used to make fun of their men for being frilly and girly things, who wore long sleeves and buttfucked each other. Seneca mentions insults directed at Greeks being effeminate twice, that I can recall off the top of my head.
>>64587957You're not going to find a Greek saying refugees are welcome and race has nothing tondo with societal functioning.
>>64586656Macedon is Greek in the generational myths of Greece and macedonians were simply Greeks.Communist expansionist dreams and modern inability and unwillingness to solve the problems of the past just states that humanity is still barbaric.
>>64586256Because it's beneficial.In fact, multi-ethnic/multi-racial societies are considered a major milestone in cultural development.Also, Classical 'Greece' incorporated areas of Asia Minor and Africa. 'Egyptian' likewise incorporated a multiple groups during its long history. Han, however, is the most egregious example as even today they're not considered an ethnic/racial group.
>>64587966>You're not going to find a Greek saying refugees are welcomeMind you, it was the terrible treatment of refugees that got Rome sacked. Lupicinus was a right dickhead, making goth refugees sell their children into slavery for dog meat to eat (In contrast with previous people in charge of this that made sure the people they were escorting to new lands had food without gouging them for every penny possible). Eventually said refugees had enough and it went as we know history went, with Rome getting sacked.
>>64589069>multi-ethnic/multi-racial societiescurrently worst societies on earth
>>64589069>Because it's beneficial.>He can't name a diverse society more functional than Japan>Also, Classical 'Greece' incorporated areas of Asia Minor and AfricaTell us more on how Niggers were accepted as Greeks.>'Egyptian' likewise incorporated a multiple groups during its long history.Meanwhile Egyptians seperated themselves by their neighbors when they were relevant to.the point of showing off different features of them all (as in skin color).>Han, however, is the most egregious example as even today they're not considered an ethnic/racial group.>PRC propagandaThe Chinks aren't going to accept Kunta Kinte as fellow Chink.>>64589362>Lettng in hordes of foreigners backfires Let me guess, you think Niggers in America being so garbage is slavery/Whitey's fault.
>>64589527>Everything is always about niggersGo be American somewhere else you double fucking nigger
>>64589608How's Mehmed doing in Germany?
>>64589619pretty well, just got a kebab from him
>>64589069Yes, greeks started colonies in a lot of places, what's it got do with racism?
>>64589619Speaking of Germany>He can't name a diverse society more functional than JapanGermany has a Higher GDP pc than Japan.
>>64589688Germany also has a higher HDI, a higher Happiness rating and a work efficiency.
>>64589527>The Chinks aren't going to accept Kunta Kinte as fellow Chink.Northern Chinks don't even accept people from below the Yangtze as chinks. China is ethnically diverse as fuck.
>>64589688>mehmed rape ebin rapefugees merkelreichXDDD))))
>>64589688>>64589747>women get raped by foreigners>foreigners leech your gibs>refuse to stop being Muslims>no no diversity is our strength>defends modern Germany and NordlandI'm sure you wouldn't be ashamed of having a half-Nigger grandson either.
>>64589688>Germany has a Higher GDP pc than Japan.Japan hasn't had the advantage of owning brussels and being able to use the regulations to crush competitors in the single marketseriously fuck the EU and fuck the G*rmans i mean damn, you telling me a country with a larger land mass, more natural resources and is wealthierNo fucking shit
>>64589759And yet they still are more genetically like each-other than Kunta Kinte is to Hans or Pablo. They also put Mudslimes in their place when they chimpout.>>64589766>leftypol
>>64589759>Northern Chinks don't even accept people from below the Yangtze as chinksSo do Anglos of Liverpool and Birmingham. So do French of Normandy and Burgundy. So do Germans of Holstein and Bavaria. So do Russians of Krasnodar krai and Far East. So do Swiss of Bern and Geneve. So do Italians of Piedmont and Campania. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Which makes one ask - what makes an "ethnically monolithic" society and are there any actual examples left on this Earth, aside from the Great Waifu Imperium of Nippon?
>>64589795>larger land massJapan is 30.000 Square miles larger>more natural resourcesGermanies Agricultural sector is a lot smaller pro capita than the Japanese one.>and is wealthierCorrect, but it has a smaller population
>>64589795>Japan hasn't had the advantage of owning brussels and being able to use the regulations to crush competitors in the single marketBut Brussels is supposed to make Germany gib gibs to the rest of Europe, not vice-versa - >>64589786>i mean damn, you telling me a country with a larger land mass, more natural resources and is wealthierSo you are saying - Russia is the wealthiest country on Earth?
>>64589795You can park yourself in the city without unlocked without worrying about getting carjacked in Japan. And let your daughter walk in public like to a concert without her getting attacked by Kunta Kinte in Japan.All made possible by homogenity.
>>64589837>Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.I mean, American /pol/aks and /k/ommandos (which is pretty much the same thing nowdays) don't consider Californians to be American people. Or people at all.
>>64589786My brother has married an iraqi girl so I will have half-sandnigger nephews and nieces and I don't really give a fuck.
>>64589837Do you not see that Europeans are connected to each-other in a way they aren't with Niggers
>>64589861>And let your daughter walk in public like to a concert without her getting attacked by Kunta Kinte in Japan.She'll instead get molested on the train.
>>64589891>Amerimutt>doesn't care about his heritageNot a surprise. Hope Jamal Jr. stays out of jail.
>>64589861>And let your daughter walk in public like to a concert without her getting attackedJapan - the only country on Earth that has mandatory camera shutter sound in all phones sold there, as well as anti-molestation posters in public transport.
>>64589906>he can't address rape levels.
>>64589915Better they get raped by their own kind than by wild apes.
>>64589861>All made possible by homogenity.Singapore has all those things aswell and isn't ethnically homogenous.
>>64589895>Europeans are connected to each-other in a way they aren't with NiggersKinda. Euros hate each other much more rabidly than they hate niggers. Like, seriously - why should Germans hate muslims immigrating to Germany? At lest they are not french. Or polacks. Or ruskies. Or yugos.
>>64589911I'm not from the US you double nigger.
>>64589929No. It has law enforcement that makes shitlibs cry and permits effective segregation. Still has its portion of Nigger-tier Orientals who don't contribute much.
>>64589944If you're an Anglo you're more or less an Amerimutt. Or a bugman with no idenity beyond consumption.
>>64589959It has a higher safety index than Japan you fucknut.
>>64589959>It has law enforcement that makes shitlibs crySo does Japan but you put the reasoning on ethnic makeup.>permits effective segregationNo. >Still has its portion of Nigger-tier Orientals who don't contribute muchSo does Japan.
>>64589969Not an anglo either, try again.
>>64589970>effective segreagation>law enforcement that make Amerimutts who cry when Niggers get beaten by cops cry even harderTake those away and come back to me.
>>64589971>No. >in denialThey're not Amerimutts who war on you for encouraging your kind to serve itself first.
>>64589970Yes, because it's a small, heavily controlled police state where the only thing that matters is obeying the law and making money and anyone who steps out of line gets smashed down. They actually tried relaxing the police state thing earlier this decade; they then got a ton of ethnic riots and a spike in crime so they cracked down even harder.
>>64589984Amerimutt veterans getting killed by Niggers or Pablos are getting served how they should. Be better if they're grandkids got raped.
>>64589840I include europe in that because the EU you have a lot of economic fuckery in that.>agricultural i mean there's more to natural resources then that, but does germany have a primary industry any more actually?>>64589860>gib gibs>germany lets in millions of random fuckers from the 3rd world>brussels forces everyone else to shoulder the burden for them>local businesses of the EU get fucked over because the regulations are set to german companiesi mean maybe, those two despotic elements seemed joined at the hip to me>So you are saying - Russia is the wealthiest country on Earth?They were a world power under communism so it definitely has it's benefits.Now i understand there is more to that but you cannot rule out the ability to turn resources into profit
>>64590020Just ask them how come South America is such a garbage dump. Or how come Muslims keep chimpingout.
Can the cucks here admit they don't have an identity beyond consumption and deny any differences in capability in populations?
>>64590005There is no legal segregation in Singapore. >They're not Amerimutts who war on you for encouraging your kind to serve itself first.>Amerimutts>ecourage their kind - which is mutts - to first serve their own interest, i.e. - the interest of muttsI see no contradiction here.>>64590020>Yes, because it's a small, heavily controlled police state where the only thing that matters is obeying the law and making money and anyone who steps out of line gets smashed downWhich has nothing to do with ethnic homogenity.
>>64589527>Lettng in hordes of foreigners backfiresPrevious instances worked well for Rome. It was when they lost the ability to actually work with those new people and instead treated them as something to be exploited in Lupicinus' case that shit went badly.
>>64590039Because American Imperialism, ofc.
>>64590058>Can the cucks here admit they don't have an identity beyond consumptionBut I don't even live in Consumelandia aka First World. >deny any differences in capability in populationsCertainly. It's a cuck myth propagated to make cucks hate other cucks instead of the actual guys fucking their wives.
>>64586392>>Still wrong. Aristotle even said that men born in different climates with different blood had different intelligence than his kind.Sure, but it's probably worth considering that under this system the Greeks would have considered quite a lot of "white" people as being subhuman barbarians. Like everyone living in modern day France, Britain, Germany and Scandinavia. The ancient Greeks obviously had tons of prejudices, some of which overlap with things that align with our modern conceptions of race. But it's worth remembering that it was different in a lot of ways.
>>64586256Because they didn't discriminate on what is conventionally connoted as 'race'. The Romans hated other Latins. The Greeks were a cultural first, ethnic second, group. Blood was a much, much narrower categorization than in the modern world. People outside of your own city state were basically all foreigners and of a different 'race' for discrimination purposes. The only question was how similar they were to you, in both ethnic and cultural factors. Greek were more likely to trust other Greeks due to their shared culture, but the moment you get out of a very small area you have Spartans (not greeks) Macedonia (not greeks), Anatolian Greco-cities (pretty much not greeks), and everyone else who they consider to be outside their 'race', but culturally acceptable. You need to narrow everything down to a much more local level to truly capture the discrimination in the ancient worlds.The Mongols is an even worse example. The Mongols were comprised of a large number of ethnic tribes who were forged together into one unitary army. They were divided and dispersed, mixed around, and created into a new group. Racists? What race comprises such a multi-tribal army? Might as well define Mongol as 'loyal steppe retainer', race played no factor compared to lifestyle and warrior status in the army, and then status as conquering occupiers.
>>64590181>The Greeks were a cultural first, ethnic second, group. But anon blood defines culture.
>>64590203Then why were Spartans culturally Greek despite not being widely considered as by-blood Greeks? How did Alexander spread Greek culture and language through his conquests? How did the Roman Empire even work then, by that token?
>>64590203>But anon blood defines culture.Rome would seriously disagree with that one, they made an empire by spreading their culture to people not related to them by blood.
>>64590228>Then why were Spartans culturally Greek despite not being widely considered as by-blood Greeks?That's bullshit. Spartans were the most Greek of all Greeks. Molon labe!>How did Alexander spread Greek culture and language through his conquests?He spread jack shit. Mudskins on his conquered territories fucked it all up in a matter of years. >How did the Roman Empire even work then, by that token?There was Rome populated by actual Roman people. Then barbaric mutts happened and it all went to shit. Coincidence?
>>64587093>environmental determinismThat's the idea that cultures act the way they do based on their geography, and by extension are successful or not based on their geography, not whatever you said.
>>64586589>I think the important thing to remember is that people hate that which is most similar to themselves.Not even remotely true you fucking brainlet. In your little example, the neighboring village is hating not because of how similar they aren't but because of common bad experience with them. Jesus Christ you're a fucking idiot.
>>64590228the fuck are you talking about the Spartans werei mean they were Dorian greeks and through that they traced their blood lines to dorians who marched into the Peloponnese, and through them all the way to eventually to the hellensi mean there's a reason why they are called hellenics, because they all trace family lines to the heroes that were created after zues flooded the world.
>>64590260>There was Rome populated by actual Roman people. Then barbaric mutts happened and it all went to shit. Coincidence?Who are the Roman people? Rome was founded by three different distinct cultures.
>>64590260Romans were literally people who lived in Rome. They fought a civil war just to stop other Italians from voting for their government. There was never a 'Roman' Roman Empire. The day it became an Empire it was already expanded to cover other groups than the Romans in key positions (Italians) that no one considered the same racial group as them at all.
>>64590310Fuck off /leftypol/
>>64590260>There was Rome populated by actual Roman people. Then barbaric mutts happened and it all went to shit. Coincidence?You're talking about events hundreds of years apart as if they were just next to each other. Africa Proconsularis for example became part of the Roman Republic in 146 BC and it lasted until 415, well into the Roman Empire.
>>64590260>He spread jack shit. Mudskins on his conquered territories fucked it all up in a matter of years.>Who are the seleucids, the ptolomies, >What is greco-bhudism>Why did every ruling class in central asia speak greek for 200 years
>>64590310>he distinct culturesthat is mostly incorrectunless you mean by being influenced by the Etruscans and the Greeks but even then that's not likely true unless you really twist it
>>64590343>The sabines, etruscans and the latins were not different cultrally lol brainlet.
>>64590306The held themselves up as a separate ethnic group and literally created a slave caste out of the local inhabitants who's area they migrated into. Even if we take them as Greeks, they clearly differentiated themselves for racial-caste purposes. The entire existence of the Spartan state goes against the idea that ancient people had equivalent ideas to modern racism, because they spent an inordinate amount of time justifying themselves as separate from other Greeks.
>>64590387No, according to the Roman foundation myth the first Romans were a combination of outcasts from Latin and Etruscan tribes. They intermingled with the Sabines heavily. Later other Latins joined together with Samnites, Umbrians, Sicilians, Greeks and many others.
Because my desire for realism ends where my desire for fun begins
>>64590449never heard the Etruscan part of that and i though the sabine were Latin culturally
>>64590408>>64590408>ethnic groupwell yeah they were their own ethnos but you are conflating the modern meaning with the ancient one.>they created a slave caste out of varies pelponesiansyes but they know the Messiaens were also Doric greeks, the others not so much. why they did that is lost to time. >they differentiate themselves on clas purposes raciallyhow do you deal with the perioikoi then? anyone can drop out of the peerage into failure, there would be none dorica periokoi and spartan citizens could drop into itit seems more like metis status frankly.
>>64590477The early roman Kings were of Etruscan stock, later kings are supposed to be Sabines and Latin. Romulus is said to have divided the Romans in three internal tribes. Two of these three tribes have Etruscan derived names.The Sabines were distinct from the Latins in the beginning, but they assimilated quite well and are very hard to find in the middle republic. The Kings Numa Pompillius and Ancus Marcius are Sabines.
>>64590553I'm not sure we're arguing different positions here, anon.
>>64589795>trade deals, regulation and natural resources are more important than ethnicities in a nationwelcome to real life
>>64586318>Because they wouldn't? I feel like you've got a strawman you'd like to tear down, but if you don't show us it we're not going to have even the slightest regard for your argument. What thing are you complaining about, anon?He doesn't get enough replies when he tries to make political threads on the correct board.
>>64590640i mean are you arguing the Spartans didn't see themselves as Hellenes?because if so yeah there's like an essay to be written there.You have to take in to account the bronze age collapse, the nature of pre panhellenic greece but also the blood diplomacy elementslot of shit
>>64590260IIRC, the Spartans are considered to have been a Semitic people based on archaeological evidence, but that hardly mattered to the other Greek states. They formed military and mercantile alliances with other City States which made them, ipso facto, Greek by the standards of the time.
>>64587089So just like the caps? And the fashits?
>>64587114>let's claim that any dead under any reasons are only dead because of a system that called itself after another system
>>64590709that's what i'm arguing I'm not that faggot obsessed with fucking race
>>64587283Having better health care than the USA.
>>64592171i want citations on that that sounds intresting as fuck
>>64592171There is no way based spartans were.ñ mudskin and jewish. Fuck off.
>>64592382ironically for the American tourists only
>>64586256Well, if the culture was mercantile and/or set along major trade routes, they wouldn't want to chase away potential customers.
>>64592410>spartans>basedthey are worst Doric thoughthe only based city states are Corinth, and Argos
>>64589527Japan is fucked, population wise.Dunno why you retards love it so much for that.
>>64590039>SAGetting ruined every once in a while by their northern neighbour.>MuslimsDunno. Something about getting bombed, terror droned, invaded, raided, regime changed, with a death toll in the millions by a certain couple of christian nations. You know stuff people get miffed of after a while.
>>64587114>that inb4Ah, total of all deaths under a communist system are commie kills but capitalist ones aren't cappie kills. Gotcha.
>>64592417Not really. Doctors per population there is higher than in any western state. Cuba even has the tendency to send doctors to regions in need. For example when the ebola shit was going around.
>>64592511>But that not capitalism. It's corporatism!!!!!
>>64592550Have you talked with cubans? They farmacies sell guarana mostly, and they have two or three hospitals in all the isle than are't ruined messes with glaring estructural deficies or logistical lack of nearly everything.
>>64592511>see African country under a non capitalist regimewell clearly all that death there is the fault of capitalism because when the first world spends millions to drop food there they aren't doing enough
>>64592582shushtankies are talking
>>64589399No clue what you're talking about since you've included no associated metric, but the most important and influential states in the world are also the most inclusive.- USA, Russian Federation, China, UK, France, etc.>>64589527Recognition of differences in physical appearance is not necessarily racist which requires asserting a causal element.
>>64592854worst on earth and they generate ignorant people such as yourself. My condolences.
>>64586256If you evolve under conditions where murdering or dehumanizing outsiders on sight attracts ravening homicidal demons that track you by the negative emotions involved in so doing, you'll all very quickly learn to get along or get eaten by demons.For an only slightly more realistic scenario, you're just settling down after a long history of being "the outsiders" and you decide not to be hypocrites.