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Leave the blood god to me Edition

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>Previous Thread:
>>64581746
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This thread is blessed by the Grandfather.
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Whats so good about bloat drones? Should i run them with the fleshgrinder or the deathspitters?
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>>64586032
Did someone say Nurgle thread?
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Blood for the blood God and all that
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>>64586019
Got a Dark Imperium half. What do I get next for my DG army?

I'll probably pick up termies, another drone, 2 plaguecrawlers and a Morty. What should I pick up first?
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How often does /tg/ see a pure Custodes army that doesn't spam jet bikes or Telemon dreads?

I mean, I can't be the only one, surely?
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>>64586068
Are these guys actually worth running in 3's? Yeah, bs4 sucks but it gets you cover for your infantry and 200 points to spend on better anti-armor units
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>>64586080
Imperiumfags are 90% WAACfags and footslog custodes dont win
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>>64586067
the blight launcher
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>>64586067
Plaguespitters are good anti-infantry.

Fleshmowers are, ironically, better at anti tank. Even unsupported they'll chew through a dreadnought in 2 turns while taking about half as much damage in return. Pair them up with an Arch-contaminator Daemon Prince and go nuts.
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>>64586077
I mean, whatever you feel like painting? >>64586083
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>>64586080
>>64586091
is the Custodes Tribune available in 40k?
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>>64586083
>bs4+ sucks

Plenty of armies have to deal with BS4+, and even BS3+ armies will usually be hitting on 4s if they move.

That being said, CA made them 117 points each, which is a steal. Run 3 for justice.
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>>64586067
Spitters will melt infantry and force feed them overwatch. I've seen a few people comment that the mower opened up Rhinos, terminators, and primaris but I haven't used one yet. I personally use two spitter drones. The heavy blightlauncher is not very useful. You want to take advantage of the drone's speed and won't hit very often if you do so.
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>>64586112
We don't get tribune in 40k, just generic shield captains.

>>64586091
Let me guess, your an asssmad Eldar fag?
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>>64586080
I'm planning on running three grav vehicles backed up by beatstick Aquilons as I think they're awesome, but that's just replacing one spam with another so either way I'm a cunt.
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>>64586067
Deathspitters are what make them shine. Zip around preying on weak shit

They also fuck with a lot of melee units just because charging them is so dangerous but they can't be ignored either
I think their Explodes is a coin flip too, so that's another way their fly movement can make them dangerous
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>>64586142
oh... well that sucks.
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>>64586077
Drones and Crawlers are both great. Blightlords are durable and got a point drop in CA but they are slow and I'm not sure how often they are used. I would definitely save Mortarion for one of your last purchases. Most people won't enjoy facing a primarch in games under 2,000 points. A Winged Daemon Prince is also a very good and very popular choice. What were your plans on infantry?
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>>64586145
Grav vehicles aren't half as obnoxious as jet bikes, and Aquillon termies are cool as fuck.

WAAC fags souping in Jet bikes give all Custodes players an undeserved bad name.
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>>64586168
I imagined I'd use plague marines.
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>>64586160
>They also fuck with a lot of melee units just because charging them is so dangerous

>charge drone, eat 2d6 auto hits
>flail hopelessly against T7 3+/5++/5+++
>next turn it flys away and hits you with another 2d6 autohits
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>>64586068
Wait, wait, wait... is the front part from the drone compatible with this mini?
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>>64586067
Deathspitters are golden, great anti fantry on a speedy unit will get you a lot of objective.
Fleshgrinders are fun, decent vs light vehicle and elite, not so competitive but still pretty solid.
Blight launcher are very meh on them, you have better way to take the weapon that wast your fast drones on them
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>>64586091
>be Big E's finest
>can't win against other imperial forces without spamming jetbikes and dreads
JUST
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>>64586083
They are, the cover bonus is nice, and even if they don't punch THAT hard, they still punch and nothing is more durable, point wise, that those 3
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Does anyone have the image where a space marine "fools" a horde of ork to engage them un glorious hand to hand combat?
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>>64586020
Getting back into 40k from like a 10yr hiatus.

How does this look for a Custodes army.

>HQ
Trajan Valoris
>Troops
2 x Guard Sqds (4 man, Misercicordia)
>Elites
2 x Comtemptor-Galatus
1 x Allarus Custodians [3 man]
>FA
2 x Vertus Praetors [3 man, misericrodia]
>HS
1 x Sigittarum [4 man, misericordia]
>Dedicated Transport
2 x Cornous Grav Carriers

The whole thing comes in at just less than 2500.

Im tempted to cut all the misericrodias and add another Allarus.
Or maybe remove Trajan and add in a Shield Captain on hover bike.

Thoughts, suggestions?
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Why do people give themselves to Papa Poo-poo-bum?

Whats the appeal of being a rotting festering abomination?
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>>64586183
The patrician loadout is 7 man with 2 plasma and a blight launcher. One plasma and 2 launchers is also acceptable.

Man mode is equip them with axes and flails, but 7 strong is crucial.
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>>64586219
You will no longer feel pain and suffering
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>>64586211

Looks gay as fuck m8.
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What's a good loadout for a SM captain?

Need ideas for three captains.
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>>64586080
Winningest guy in our local meta runs mostly footstodes, although he always has a handful of bikes and a bike captain

We have a lot of terrain and not much strong shooting armies though
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>>64586183
The patrician's choice although to be honest cultists and poxwalkers may carry you further this edition. I prefer a mix of the three. Several 10 man units of cultists to grab objectives, a 20 man tarpit of poxwalkers, and usually two units of 7 plague marines with two blight launchers, one flail, and a powerfist.
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>>64586219

Eternal un-life, no pain.

Nurgle is getting rid of cancer by becoming cancer.
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>>64586230
Gay as fuck because of Custodes? Or because its trash.
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>>64586209
>needing to fool orks into CQC
Oi, wot 'r ya zoggin' sayin ya git?
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>>64586195
Um... no.

But if that stops you then get the fuck out of my sight.
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>>64586228
Well thats good because people will eternally be avoiding your presence because you're a smelly person.

Just think, no more invitations to weddings, no-ones going to want you on their hen nights, your charisma stat drops to a permanent -1, shops will no longer serve you because you're making their place smell bad.

Also you'll have to keep poking your own intestines back in, because having them flop round your feet would be mighty inconvenient.
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>>64586219
"Everything goes to shit"- Anthony Soprano
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>>64586161
It's not so bad anon, with the right warlord trait, stratagem and load out he'll be even more bonkers than a 30k tribune.

The "classic" (which is complete WAAC faggotry, so do it at tourneys only!) is a shield captain on a dawneagle jet bike, auric aquillis relic, superior creation warlord trait and Victor of the blood games stratagem before first turn for 2CP and Misericordia. This gives you:

>14" movement
>Rerollable 2D6 charge
>5 S6 AP-3 DD3 attacks that reroll all misses and reroll all failed wounds in the first combat phase
>3++ saving throw
>5+++ FNP (and an additional 6+++ against psychic phase mortal wounds)
>Allow to reroll one failed saving throw, wound roll or a attack roll per turn
>1 S5 AP-2 D1 attack after all other attacks have been done
>And lastly, a hurricane bolter in the jet bike for Rapid Fire 6 S4 AP0 shots
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>>64586240
Cultists are cheap, so maybe that'd be good.
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>>64586245
>Gay as fuck because of Custodes

Obviously. You are the new grey knight player.
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>>64586219
Nurgle is the only god that canonically loves his followers
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>>64586241
>Nurgle is getting rid of cancer by becoming cancer.

Yeah, but that didnt really work out so good for 4chan did it?
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>>64586260
What's a good conversion for these? The current models look fuck awful
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>>64586252
You sound like a woman.
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>>64586219
He has all the grimdark you can hope for, but it also do loves his children and gives you the opportunity to play something that is not pure murderhobo.
It also has more of a focus on defense than offense, something that's pretty rare in the game, and awesome converting potential.
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>>64586258
>Smash-shield-captain
>WAAC faggotry

If your army can't handle a shield captain, I don't know what to say.
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>>64586258
>even more bonkers than 30k
I refuse to believe th-

Wow, okay this is rapey af.
How can this be considered even remotely legal?
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>>64586272
House Cawdor necromunda gang minis.

Look legit like cultists anyway and the FW heads and weapons means you are covered for all codex options without having to convert if so desired.
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>>64586265
>Your arm is now flies.

FEEL THE LOVE.
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>>64586295
Sounds good, I'll pick some up. Do they need particular weapons or something?
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>>64586294
It's fine since there are way worse offenders.
40K is a weird game
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>>64586252
People stop pestering me and I can play with nurglings all day.
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>>64586211
Yawn, standard cookie cutter list
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>>64586275
>You sound like a woman.

Just someone who likes personal hygiene.
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how are poxwalkers these days? I like the zombie hoard idea.
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>>64586234
Combi plasma, nothing else, good buffing back line guy
TH/SS biker or jump pack
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>>64586303
WHO THE HELL PAINTED THIS!?
>left arm goes down to his knee
>righ hand can barely get out of his shoulder pad

And don't try to defend that with POV, this is clearly hilariusly fucked
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>>64586252
Bah, the only people who have a problem with the smell are people who are in need of Grandfather's blessings.
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>>64586317
Strictly inferior to plaguebringers unless you bring typhus which makes them an arguable sidegrade. Of course if you dont want to ally with daemons then they do a better job than cultists at their job on account of not routing when shot
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>>64586317
They are slow, they are fairly tought and they take obj. Also, if painted right, they look hella cool in big hordes, but are very boring to center your army around.
20-40 to take obj are fine.
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>>64586290
Individually its not too scary, but supreme command detachments of untargettable jet bike captains are a cancerous pain in the arse to deal with.

>>64586294
Yeah, he's strong no doubt but the fact he's usually backed up with other bikes makes him scary, as they simply fly over screens and rape the fuck out of your back line
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>>64586305
>Worse offenders
I have a vague knowledge of 30k and 40k systems being different, but the Tribune used to eat primarchs for breakfast and only the Dark mechanicus guy could even deal with it, how can there be something more broken than that when you can take ir and make it even more savage than the 30k version?
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>Average GW store on popular battle night.
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>>64586304
Well, not really. Plenty of autoguns, autopistols and hand weapons for the general load out, you can add the stub pistols as count as autopistols and the same for the pole arm autoguns.

The FW weapons give you the options to add a heavy stubber, flamer etc. If you want to. If not, the basic box will suit your needs.
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>>64586327

Thanks, that's 1 or 2 but I need 3 captains for completing my 10.

They all have basic to specialised gear that is or was good on one edition or another

>TH/SS + JP
>PP+PF
>PP+PS
>Flamer P + PS (Blood Angels proxy)
>Bolter & Chainsword
>Relic blade + SS (Good last edition)
>Lightning claws on terminator armor.
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>>64586335
No-one loves a girl with a gunt.
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>>64586312
if EVERYONE followed nurgle there would be no such thing as hygiene and thus everyone would be happy
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>>64586364
>An army of all flier that had -2 or -3 to be shoot at and will never fall to melee
>Knights that can wipe out 1/3 of your army before you roll a single die
>IG artillery spamm of endless ignore LOS, rerolling to wound shots

I can go on and on...
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Can someone tell a brainlet like me what the optimal Load out for 10 Aberrants is?
I'm thinking 4 Aberrants with hammers, 2 Hypermorphs with improv weapons, 4 Aberrants with picks?
Also is there a better HQ than Acolyte Iconward?! For 53pts and the relic he is absolutely insane
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>>64586353
I have a question, what heavy weapons do custodes have access to (Heavy bolter, Autocannon, stuff lie, that)? and if yes, what infantry units can use them?
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>>64586367
The fact that they ALL have the same horn coming out of their head is mindblowingly lazy
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>TFW bae has more boobs than you have hands.
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>>64586383
Why would you mix and match? They want to hit different things.
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>>64586388
None unless you go Forge World.

And even then, most infantry can't take Heavy Weapons.
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Could anyone here share their experience with nurglings? Are multiple units of three decent for grabbing objectives early on?
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>>64586383
>>64586397
Also you only get the one Hypermorph? Did you read the dex?
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>>64586404
....are you retarded?

It's one in 5.
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>>64586364
40k lethality is through the charts, because the new AP system means the "all or nothing" saves of 30k don't do jack. You could easily walk termies across the board in 30k if your opponent could risk shooting them or the spartan with a lascannon, but in 40k a heavy weapons team of 3 autocannon will fuck you up easily.
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>>64586406
Citation Needed
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>>64586404
It's 1 in 5vmy man
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>>64586403
Not really in my experience, expecially in the new missions, but they are still great to tight up enemy vehichles and other shooty units
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>>64586370
thanks anon!
got any pics of this conversion already or is this uncharted waters
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>>64586414
Read the book dummy
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>>64586397
If you're going for a max unit it can be useful as past a certain point you start running into overkill.
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>>64586265
you are mistaking love for manipulating followers into dependency
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>>64586234
>What's a good loadout for a SM captain?
thunderhammer or relic blade, combi plasma/combi melta, jump pack.

I would recommend taking a jump pack librarian as well, with plasma pistol and either a force axe or sword.

and the third HQ could just be a captain with powersword and combi-plasma
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>>64586383
i think as many picks as you can is the best way

the abominant is stupid for 105pts.
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>Tickle, tickle
>"You wanna join our God yet? Huh?"
>No?
>More tickles for you!
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>>64586409
heh, so when compared to 30k, everything is a glass cannon?
that's a weird way to do things
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>>64586458
Should one use the primus or iconward?
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>>64586450
It's both.
Nurgle does love his followers, and the gift he gives to them root their brain into dependency
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>>64586463
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G L O R I O U S
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>>64586400
Sooo, no blinged goldent autocannon to rain death upon the ennemies of the Golden banana army of quivering abs?
;-;
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Plastic aspect warriors when?
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>>64586404
>>64586414

Did you? I was mixing weapons because pure hammers is expensive and overkill to the max on a 10 man squad. Maybe if I wanted the unit for Knight hunting.
S6 from the iconward and exploding hits from an Abominant mean the weapons with extra hits will turn them into blenders while the 4 hammers do the heavy lifting.
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>>64586509
When we get a named female Deldar Incubus
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>>64586420
Looks like it's being done.
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>>64586518
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>>64586420
No worries, and I think that is an upcoming FW model of a Cawdor gang champion rather than a conversion AFAIK.
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>>64586219
You don't feel any hate anymore, and always have a family.
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>>64586509
Same weekend fires comes out
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>>64586329
yeah the perspective is totally fucked
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>>64586545
Is Necromunda any good?

Looked like a weird shade of Kill Team & Shadespire.
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>>64586477
Sort of, it's choosing the correct weapon for the job. Lasguns will still need 100's of shots to kill a custodian, but when you start using AP-2 weapons, multiple damage weapons and so forth, it makes it easier.

For example, autocannons are the surprise winner of 8th edition, as their range is good (48") and AP is OK (AP-1) but its star stat is its damage (D2). Makes it a perfect weapon for hunting primaris marines and terminators as they have 2 wounds each and it wounds them in a 3+. It also means they are reduced to a 4+ and 3+ save so it increases a chance of failure. Weight of fire can still work, and does, and is used in tournaments as you can really specialise your weapons or you'll disadvantage yourself against some armies to others.
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So, due to the fact that Ynnead has been created by the Eldar, and since we have Warhammer for children -does this mean Slaneesh will be squatted? Since xhe is the most problematic (sexual) of the 5?
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>>64586623
No.
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>>64586623
>xhe
>>>/tumblr/
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>>64586621
Autocannons are shit.

Point for point, Heavy Bolters are better
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>>64586623
Slaneesh isn't a god of sex, it's a god of excess and pleasure. Neither of these things has to be "sexy" but this is /tg/ where nerds will undoubtedly become /d/ to the one who thirsts.
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>>64586553
Oh you're just trolling, good job m80
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>>64586623
Stop going on this bait.
They have made a more kid friendly version of the warhammer lore, that has nothing to do with the actual lore, it's just a way to slowly make people get into the world.
They had just made a new box with 4 legged tits demons that have a dick for a tail for fuck sake
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>>64586650
>screencap of the book
>REEE, troll!
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>>64586623
Still no.
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>>64586642
Heavy bolters are excellent for general use, autocannon in my example for attacking 2 wound models.

If you bothered to actually read my post than sperg out going "autocannon reeeeeeeee" then you'd understand you simpleton.
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>>64586652
There is no need for the lore to be kid friendly tho.
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>>64586670
Except the same number of points in HBs will do more damage to 2 wound models than Autocannons.
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>>64586672
There is also no need for it to be not.
Making soft horror books is how kids discovers horror, it is just a valid step into a new kind of fantasy for a young future player.
No one is touching your demonculaba, but I am sure that you see how it's better for the game to have a way to grow new player into the setting and that there is no need to start them with a daemon raping a sister or an entire planed burned to ash for a badly written number on the coordinate for an exterminatus.
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Whatcha working on today bros? Trying to get my Primaris battle leader ready for basing before my game vs 1500pt death guard in 4 hours.
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>>64586588
yeh the game is pretty good. its a lot more complex than kill team.

the 2d version of the game isnt as good but still pretty damn fun.
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Should I continue doing Daemons(I also use CSM daemon engines) or start doing GSC?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nlaI886TU0

PRAISE THE EMPEROR!
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>>64586698
Nice conversion and nice painting. Still, I hope that the plage father will give you the gift of life.
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>>64586621
Thanks for the explaination
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>>64586719
interesting
i was gonna get two cawdor boxes, but i just realised the starter set is the same price.
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Are these painted well enough to sell at RRP or more/less?
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>>64586698
Cleaning mold lines off hordes of infantry and fighting the urge to kill myself, the usual really
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>>64586733
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>>64586733
>calling this "man" the emperor

he wouldn't be fit to be a planetary governor and even less a Hive Leader
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>>64586623
>xhe
did you just assume his/her/its gender?
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>>64586742
Zoom in on some of them, but probably yes if it wasn't for the fact that no one buys GK for RRP
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>>64586588
>Is Necromunda any good?
>
>Looked like a weird shade of Kill Team & Shadespire.

The original is god damn glorious and is the best game that GW ever made.

New one is acceptable.
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>>64586737
you only get goliahts and escher in the starter set.

if you arent interested in playing a 2d game i wouldnt bother with the starter box. hopefully they bring out a new one when they bother making the adeptus arbites.
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I read this recently, expecting Shira Calpurnia Guardsman Edition. It's fucking garbage, is the any hope that Honourbound will be any good? I just want to self insert as a woman in 40k
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>>64586780
I want to see a follow up to this pic where the SoB loses.
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>>64586769
linked a imgur album with close ups
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>>64586734
I got two lists, plan for death guard is just to stay back and unload as much firepower as possible. Got Bjorn, Wulfen and Njal incase they get too close.

Never played a DG army, not sure what to expect. I got a seperate list with 16 lascannons incase he brings Morty
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>>64586780
>Genestealer in front of me
>A couple of warriors or worst coming in
>An Hive guard touching his dick to my side
>So fucked that I could just pose for a selfy with a book at this point
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>>64586781
>>64586780
How'd you find it, Anon? What's acceptable to you? I heard Shadowwar Armageddon is good too.

>you only get goliahts and escher in the starter set.
Yeah I saw that. I dig the punk rock look of the mdels in the box. I'll just make 'em punk rock cultists.
>if you arent interested in playing a 2d game i wouldnt bother with the starter box. hopefully they bring out a new one when they bother making the adeptus arbites.
I'm watching a review now. I didn't even know the original was multidimensional.
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>>64586790
Expect a game of obj grabbing while he burns/tarpit your obj. DG melee is very strong but so slow that it rarely used.
You won't be able to kill all, just kill what is making points
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>>64586691
Maybe it's because I'm getting old but, are children so sheltered and dumb nowadays that they need their own watered down version of a frigging war game? Like you said, it's not like rape and torture are front part of the setting so let them discover this the way we all did.
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>>64586080
I play footstodes with my friends, unfortunately they all play shooty armies, and we're still working on terrain, so there isn't a lot. We also play at 1k. I usually don't win.
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>>64586788
My bad.

They are a bit less then fine, but someone eager to put them on the table will buy them for something like 15% less than RRP.
Still, it's very hard to sell GK for less than 30-40% discount
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Self-conscious Slaanesh cucks never not pretending their juvenile fascination with the degenerate sex god is something else. Literallly have never met a Slaanesh fan who wasn't either a teenage boy or a gross pervert
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>>64586800
>>64586780
>>64586781
Wait, I just learned that new Necromunda is now 3D too.
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>>64586817
Children don't buy books, their parents do, remember that.

I my self would want to risk my children go into anything too mutch graphic at such a young age, but I will be more than ok on something that I know is dark but glosses over the too dark aspects.
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>>64586658
My screencap is of the book, read it again.
Unit contains 5 Aberrants, IT CAN CONTAIN UP TO 5 MORE ABERRANTS. For EVERY FIVE ABERRANTS in the unit, one aberrant Hypermorph may take the place of an Aberrant.

So in a squad of 10, how many Aberrants can you have? What's 10 ÷ 5 = anon? Stay in school retard
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Ok, I'm pretty new to playing 40k, and I don't get the concept of PL. I have usually with my friends just using regular points to match our lists, what is the point of power level?
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So I've always loved how 40k looked, but finally d\found some other people who play so I'm finally gonna dip a toe into the miniatures. Specifically Kill Teams initially, and if I like it enough I'll move onto actual games. That said, before I commit to a team/army how can I look into all their stats and shit? Do I have to buy something first, be it a codex, or from what I gather every box of minis comes with their specific rules, or is there some big wiki I'm just unable to find because I'm retarded that lists out everything so I can make an informed decision?

Alternatively am I autisticly overthinking this and I should just buy whatever looks cool and learn from there? Thousands Sons got my eye right now.
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>>64586856
The megas in both the 40k and KT general threads have all the info you may need for that.
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>>64586856
>autistically overthinking this
sooo, just being autistic and thinking?
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>>64586782
>I just want to self insert as a woman in 40k
These days all female characters are garbage due to the SJW poison in the entertainment and hobby industries. You can't have an interesting woman anymore
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>>64586833
That was introduced in the first gang war supplement. So right at release, If I remember correctly.
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>>64586849
Short answer: they have no point
Long answer: If you where in a store and wanted a very quick pick up game without having to sit down and write a well made list, or just have to quickly show the game to a new player, PL give you a rough estimate of the strenght of an army while leaving you free to kit them out to your pleasure.
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>>64586807
Nice thanks Anon. I'll stay back and drop my Wulfen squad then for another predator tank
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>>64586856
Just be aware that Kill team and 40K are very different. It's easy to like one but not the other.
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>>64586825
There's a girl (female) who is a massive Slaanesh fan at my LGS. She plays Emperor's Children with a lot of Slaanesh Daemons. I also think she might be a lesbian but i'm not sure.
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>>64586849
>what is the point of PL
It's pointless. Ha.
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>>64586849
PL was supposed to be a way of putting together lists quickly with little regard for balance since it was just a general estimate based on the best possible equipment a unit could take. It's seen very little use other than some people that occasionally swear by it.
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>>64586870
Yeah, I just learned that. What's in the second? I'd leave that supplement at first.

Any good pics of the 3D playing or why it's good? It sounds amazing, like multi dimension chess.
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>>64586856
You are being a bit of an autist. See if you can grab one of the starter kits that come with a full kill team and some terrain and tokens. It's a one book game, so just the core rulebook has rules for every army in the game. T Sons are strong for access to the psychic phase and have decent shooting and are decently tanky. Buy some Tzaangors or w/e the demons are for objective taking and tying up expensive plasma spam lists.
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>>64586679
True, but what I'm talking about is a niche. Bolters will be better most of the time, but the extra strength and range of the autocannon can help in certain circumstances.
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>>64586869
Just make your own oc that wouldn't be trash then?
I mean, i had one idea, but I'm not too sure about it.
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Opinions on epidemius?
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>>64586862
The book megas in the OP? Mkay, assumed those were novels or something.
>>64586864
Nah man, advanced autism.
>>64586880
Good to know.
>>64586894
Fair enough, that's why I asked.
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So now that we've got the codex available in pdf form, what are the good stand out strategies for GSC now? I know bikes are really good for camping objectives. I plan to play twisted helix if that changes anything.
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>>64586916
He's got a nice chair
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>>64586916
He is a cool guys, always offering to split the bill even if he orders a fuck ton of shit.
If you play a full demon list he is a beast, expecially since DG tanks have the nurgle daemon keyword, and so does mortarion if you care for that.
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>>64586889
New gangs. Orlocks. Then Van Saar, Cawdor and Delaque.

Miniwargaming has some videos on youtube where they play 3d Necromunda. It would give you a pretty good idea how the game plays on nice boards.
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>>64586884
Meh. Our group uses power level to help teach newbies 40k.inve they have the fundamental rules down, the PL is swapped for points
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>>64586934
Cultist 17 seems powerful
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>>64586952
>Cultist 17
What even is this.
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>>64586800
>>64586781

I'll tell you what, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, as satisfying as roasting the face off with a meltagun one of the prized gangers of your opponent in the original Necromunda.

The prized ganger that he's been slowly building up over several months, getting near perfect skill ups every time, slowly becoming one of the most feared gangers in your local group...and then you fry the shit out of them.

And post match you roll and the result either completely cripples them to the point of being useless or they're just outright dead.

Then because you beat them you get to vnick one of their territories, and you roll up their most prized land possession.

Right at that point, there is nothing quite like the look of complete and utter disgust on your opponent's face.
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>>64586955
Iconward+Other HQ and 15 Acolytes
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>>64586945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLWQSFWB2k

Gonna watch this fuckers review. I dug his Silver Tower one.
>>64586957
That sounds amazing. It sounds like a campaign? I saw that Gangs Vol 1 introduces something like that. Sounds fun.
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>>64586823
Okay cheers for the advice, that's roughly what I was thinking too.
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>>64586965
>that beard
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>>64586502
Is that a Nurgle Bloodcrusher?
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>>64586962
Why is it so good though?
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>>64586973
Easy CP for a Nid list
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>>64586971
I know, but his heart is in the right place. He has a Conan statue and a love of 2KAD, tits and mohawks.
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>>64586973
5 CP and the ability to shut down opponents stratagems.
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ate' Loyalists
ate' the Emperor
ate' Girlyman
love me daemons

simple as
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>>64586962
Or just 2 Iconwards
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>>64586985
cant do that.
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>>64586965
>That sounds amazing. It sounds like a campaign?

Yeah, the original Necromunda from the 90's you played as an ongoing campaign, keeping your gang throughout, with them getting skill-ups or alternatively injuries, and you played that gang until it either became so crippled it died, or until it became so rich and powerful they retired.

Playing against an experienced gang was painful, but coming out on top and crippling them was even more painful for your opponent.

I fucking loved it, and see if they manage to fuck up the upcoming Necromunda PC game, I will absolutely lose my shit. I'll be inconsolable.
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>>64586977
>Easy CP for a Nid list
I wanna play pure gsc tho

>>64586980
now that makes a lot more sense
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>>64586658
Shit nigga what are you doing
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Had my first game against the new Orks last night
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>>64586926
On a more serious note, I my gaming friend is a huge WAAC fag that only has fun if hes winning, so i painted a harlequin troupe and have pushed his shit in versus his death guard army, his necrons and his space marines. If you want to lose friends just play harlequins.
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>>64586991
>I fucking loved it, and see if they manage to fuck up the upcoming Necromunda PC game, I will absolutely lose my shit. I'll be inconsolable.
Ah shit, I forgot that was coming. I worry it'll just play and feel shit cause it's not on the table-top, like 40K or AoS in table-top simulator.
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>>64586998
Hot damn they are fast
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>>64586998
How did it go Anon?
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>>64587005
pretty nice looking eldar you got there. i dig the colour scheme.
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Necrons!
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>>64586934

Tbh, its going to take a while for people to start breaking this army down properly beyond "Perfect ambush with Aberrants" and other obvious stuff.

There a lot of tricks, moving parts and thinking to get the most out of GSC.
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>>64587024
They do seem to have a lot of good possible combos.
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>>64587005
My turn 2, avatar charged morkanaught and took it out but there were still 2 dreads, Ghaz and 70+ Boyz on the table. I called it there because it was late and we'd spent too much time dicking around, but I'm pretty sure he was just about to roflstomp me, I'd already had to revive the Avatar once. Fun game, he got revenge on me for last time
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>>64586252

>no more invitations to weddings.
>no-ones going to want you on their hen nights,

No straight man would ever worry about that. They would be overjoyed.

Vagina detected
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>>64587010
Lost, but in a fun way
>>64587012
Thanks! I started out Iyanden but shifted towards more of a blue/gold scheme when I realised how much of a bitch yellow is to paint

Pic related is the guys converted Ghaz, it looks rad as fuck
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>>64586083
I mean you do know in a squad they hit on 3+ right?

>>64586183
Anons will tell you to run 7 mans squads, but my best success is 20 man squad with 6-7 seven of their characters buffing them up. Then using Cloud Of Flies Stratagem to make them the last thing my opponent can shoot at.

So far the most plague grenades I’ve been able to chuck at a single target is 14D6. Murder everything in mortal wounds.
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>>64586524
>Female
>Inucubus
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>>64587044
>OP specifically called out hens nights


You're a regular Dick Tracy anon.
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>>64587087
warhammer dont care about that stupid latin shit.

there are male succubus.
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>>64587098
>male succubus
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>>64586403
They are remarkable at midfield objectives and tying up vehicles. It just depends on your meta.
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>>64587032
Wow its an "americans don't use terrain" episode.
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>>64587087
read the lore
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>>64587098
Are you two fucking dense?
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>>64586623
Slaanesh literally got two new models you mongoloid
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>>64587024
I'm not sure it'll go much beyond that. I'm predicting that lists will look something like;
Four Armed Emp Vanguard [Anointed Throng]
Abominant [Insidious Mindwyrm] {Amulet of the Voidwyrm}
Iconward {Icon of Cult Ascendant}
2×10 Aberrants with Hammers
Biophagus

This is your turn 2 mega punch with +2" to charge coming up out of Ambush, if you need to split the Aberrants send the Biologus with 1 squad, the other goes with Abom and Icon.
This will be backed up by Kraken Batallion with Genestealers for the turn 1 charges, whatever is left will probably be another Batallion for CP/back line objectives or Brood Brothers for some armour
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>>64586211
Grab a shield for every guard squad, maybe drop a dreadnought or two and go for a battallion, also you're missing a vexxilla for that sweet - 1 to get hit. Allaruses aren't bad, but they are quite overcosted. Grab some aquilon instead, maybe with flamers, so they can kill both chaff and elites with their gauntlets. In my experience dreads die very fast, and the galatus, while tankier, is also far weaker, since he only attacks at s7, and wounds tanks on 5+.
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Well it's decided, Anon. I'm gonna get Necromunda. Anything I should get alongside it?
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>>64587144
Are YOU dense? You can get female Incubi and male Succubus/Wychs
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>>64587197
Ah, sorry, only saw the "warhammer doesn't care about that latin shit"
my bad
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>>64586982
Underrated post
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So if I run Mortarion in a Nurgle Daemon Supreme Command Detachment. Do all them still benefit from the detachment bonus of being aligned to nurgle?
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>>64587161
Friends to play with.
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Carnifexes.

I currently have 3 melee carnies and 2 heavy venomcannon carnies, and an unbuilt Carnifex Brood box sitting in front of me.

Should I make 1 melee carnifex and 1 venomcannon carnifex, or should I make both of them into Venomcannon carnies?
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>>64587235
Isn't it only two players?
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>>64587220
No
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>>64587096
>OP specifically called out hens nights

???
Where?
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>>64587237
Make one into a VC fex and the other into Old One Eye
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>I agreed to a 1500 game facing Admech as Grey Knights

Shite

Uhh hows my list?

Battallion

Crowe
Brotherhood Champion

Strike Squad
2x Terminator Squad (1x hammer each)

Apothecary

10 man interceptor Squad w/2x Psylincers

Spearhead

Creed

3x HWT with autocannons

2x Valkyrie with missile pods and Heavy Bolters

1495 total
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>>64587154

You're going to need some guns too, because all that melee is piss easy to screen out.

But overall...yeah, pretty much. Its a very cool Codex with tons of fun and good stuff, but it probably will boil down to something like this (except my Vanguard would be Pauper Princes for the re-rolls to hit with those hammers).
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>>64586234

jump pack with thunder hammer and storm shield
bike with either th/ss, or combi-something (plasma, or flamer) and th (power fist if you can't spare the points for a hammer)
combi-plasma for a cheap (85 points) captain to buff your gun line (especially if you are using lots of plasma).
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Just about got this dude done
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>>64587364
They can take Wyverns, right? Probably throw a detachment of them in for the turn one screen clear letting the Kraken stealers get in
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So friend and I are getting back into this game, and are learning 8th edition. I'm bit of a brainlet when I'm reading the rules for army building. For context we are re continuing a narrative campaign we started and never finished. the limit is 1850 points, I'm using battlescribe but I am a bit unsure.

Total-1845 Pts

Batallion IG-891pts

>HQ
Company Commander - 30pts
Pask Punisher-235 pts
>Troops
Infantry Squad(Vanilla)-40

Infantry Squad (8+metla gun)-100
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Infantry Squad-60
-HWT Lascannon-20
>Elites
Commissar-20pts
-bolt pistol-1
-Powersword-4
Platoon Commander-21pts
-Bolt pistol-1
Tech-Priest-30pts
>Heavy Support
Leman Russ Battle Tanks-355pts
Leman Russ Battle Tank-187pts
-Battlecannon-22
-Dozerblade-5
-Bolters-16
-Stubber-2
-Lascannon-20
Leman Russ Vanquisher-168pts
-Augur-5
-HeavyBolter-8
-Bolters-16
-Stubber-2
-Vanquisher-15

Vanguard Inquisition-179pts
>HQ
Inquisitor-66pts
-warlord legendary fighter
-Plasma Pistol,Powersword-11
>Elites
Acolytes(4xPowerSwords)OrdoMalleus-48pts
Acolytes(4xStormBolters 1Flamer)OrdoXenos-57pts
Acolytes(1boltgun)Ordohereticus-8pts

Battalion GreyKnights-777pts
>HQ
BrotherCaptain-121pts
Psycannon
Brotherhood Champion-92pts
>troops
X2Strike Squad-210pts
-3Sword 1 psycannon Astral Aim
Terminator Squad-205pts
-4x Halberds Vortex of doom
>Elites
-Dreadnought-127pts
-Dreadnought weapon w/Stormbolter
-Twin Lascannon
-Purge soul
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>>64587390

That'd do it, yep. Something along those lines anyway....Wyverns themselves are only OK without the Catachan (and now Vigilus detachment) bonuses.

Thing is about GSC is that they can soup for whatever they need, from 2 individually good codexes.
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>>64586020
i think we can all agree the cover system in 8th is garbage.

but what do we change it to? 7th system?
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>>64587445

It just needs to bring back proper area terrain, thats all.
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>>64587242
sure. but the campaign system encourages more than that. you could do a 1vs1 campaign though if you wanted to
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>>64587445
>MURICUUUHHH

Cities of death fixes literally 40k.
Especially sceneries and covers.
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>>64587312
Looking pretty solid, though You might be low on anti tank if admech guy is bringing armor
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>>64587237
You should stop being dumb and order the forgeworld carnifex which outclass all other by far.
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>>64587449
Shit, that sounds not bad. Could probably proxy in some 40k units I already have to.

Or kill-zone might be better, but that doesn't seem like it's very good in comparison.
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>>64587445
>t. Burger who plays on a football pitch board
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>>64587445
>I didn't read CA 18

ok bud.
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>>64587546
I know he's gonna bring at least 1 Dunecrawler, and I know he'll be using the Neutron Laser on it
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>>64587565
cover is still just +1 save.

which means its worthless for many factions.

it should be a save like in 7th
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>>64587676
Doesnt +1 save also grant atleast a 6+ save for units who have no save? Or why would this be useless? For termies it at least negates -1AP
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>>64587694
+1 to armor saves only grants a 6+ save if that's what the math works out to. A unit with a 7+ save that is in cover gets a 6+ save. A unit with a 4+ in cover that gets shot by AP -4 doesn't get a save.
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>I have a T8 14W 2+/4++ god machine with a 2+/2+ WS/BS

>Im gonna sit it at the back with my cannons

ANYONE who uses a Dakka Leviathan is a COWARD and is playing them wrong
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>>64587708
Thats lore accurate though, some sandbags arent going to protect your infantry ass from a godamn meltagun
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>>64587725
People who use Leviathan Dreds are cowards anyway!
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>>64586381
I mean I beat an all knights list without spamming high AP or mortal wounds.
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>>64587749
>Thats lore accurate though
Never said or implied it wasn't, just that it isn't accurate to say cover gives units without a save a 6+ save. Wording it that way makes it sound like cover lets any unit have at least a 6+ save.
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>>64587725
Melee leviathans are good if youre chaos thanks to warptime but for imperium fags why the fuck are you running a gallant with 10 less wounds and 1 less invuln
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>>64587765
How do you manage that?
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>>64587765

All Knights are easy to beat.

The cancer is the Knights + soup support. Thats NOT easy to beat, which is why it just came 1st, 3rd and 4th at LVO.
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>>64587776
>1 less invul
You could give the gallant a 4/3++ against shooting but it leaves him with no melee save unless you get the 5++ relic
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>>64587725
Thats why mine has a siege claw and a BCA and is surrounded by a team of CC helbrutes that are supposed to skirmish and act though while oblits get in yo backline and cultists run up and cap points
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>>64587792
Which youre going to do if your opponent has melee capable of threatening your knight, paragon gauntlet is generally total overkill unless your opponent has a lord of war as well in which case youre going to want sanctuary anyways so you dont auto lose the knight if he manages to charge you first
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>>64587779

Just play the scenario, dont fight them. Bog them down and stop them getting to objectives.
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>>64587725
>A3

Trash
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>>64587676
>cover is still just +1 save.
Literally not.

There are different covers tiers.
Please dont make it THAT obvious you never read the damn thing and are trolling.
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>>64587765
>spamming high AP or mortal wounds
Is that what beats knights? I've never actually played against any.
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>>64587817
That's not really "beating" Knights though, it's just ignoring the problem. And as people here have said, Knight Soup is the really issue.
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>>64586502
>nurgle juggernaut
>keeper with even tits
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>>64587860

You win the game, so they are beaten.
And yes, i'm the anon that said Knight soup is the issue....for clarity, i fucking hate Knights, they are currently utter cancer to the meta.

But PURE Knights are easy to win against, if totally boring.
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>>64587779
All the bugs all the time. Sure a 3+ save is good. But not vs 90 devourer shots.

Broodlord+Flyrant did a good job.

Venomthropes help. Plus a bit of luck.

>>64587780
Ehhh idk about easy. I probably had...200 points left.

>>64587831
It's the easiest way to beat them. They don't have defense against psykers
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>>64587901
Because Renegade knights don't have access to the stratagems in the knight codex.
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>>64587901
Renegades and heretics are bollocks is why
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>>64587901
Because renegade knights suck ass due to no stratagems, relics or houses
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how often do people use achilles land raider?
>19W
>2/4++
>6 transport
>weaker thunderfire cannon than actual thundercannon
>+30 points
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>>64587901
Knights are not op. It’s the combination of house bonus, Stratagem and CP farm what makes one particular knight a broken mess
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>>64587901

Renegade knights are weaker due to the lack of Stratagems, Relics and Household abilities.
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>>64587374
No-ones replied? He looks fantastic mate :)

Wish I could get my cloths to look that good.
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>>64587918
1.8% of games played
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>>64587918

its better than it used to be. it still suffers from the same issue that dooms all Land Raiders though....get anything into melee and its useless from then on pretty much.
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>>64587374
Looks pretty decent. highlighting on the cloth is a bit messy and thick maybe you could tidy that up
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Does this sound balanced as a homebrew for a tank focused Chapter?

>tankfags: this chapter tactic applies only to units with the keywork tank or dreadnought. All models with this chapter tactic can advance and fire heavy weapons as assault weapons.
>captain mctankface: 50 point upgrade for one tank in your army, he replaces the tank's BS with his own BS 2+ and allows all friendly chapter vehicles within 6" to add +1 to their WS and BS to hit rolls.
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Did the Hive Tyrant get a 4++ save and plus 1 T in CA?
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>>64586403
I saw a nurgling at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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>>64588008
+1 bs roll aura
Hmm
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>>64587220
Obese plague marine is fuckin cool. Saving the pic
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Atalan Jackals have a kinda ridiculous diversity of weapon options, have we decided what the good loadouts are yet?
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>I was asleep for all the death guard discussion
the god giveth and the god taketh away
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>>64588078
Non
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>>64586782
>I just want to self insert as a woman in 40k
Why? If I may ask.
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>>64588078
Keep them cheap and maybe give them a mini laser or totally not a budget immolation flamer
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>>64586782
Why tho? In combat you'll basically either be a SOB or a guardsman, which is nearly the same as being a male guardsman but youre not as good at carrying heavy kit
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>>64586782
Why be a weak and inferior woman, when you can be a strong and superior man?
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>>64588051
These pastas keep getting larger
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>>64588051
What was the original about?
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>>64588147
Will smith i think. But its a general movie star pasta.
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>>64588098

This. Cheap is good...they are for screening, tying up guns and grabbing objectives. Don't expect them to do any real serious fighting.
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>>64588126

Because of multiple orgasms anon.
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>>64588168
In a war scenario? Unless you want multiple orgasm from rape. I’m not sure why you would bring that up
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I know nobody on /reddit40k/ plays anything but Imperial armies, but what are the winners of the GSC 'dex?

>hand flamers will get nerfed to dirt once the Acolyte sales slow down and they need you to rebuy them
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>>64588196
Acolyte flamers is a meme
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>>64588036
No, it got those with the Codex
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>>64588182

Because i didnt read the post before that one...oops....

You're right, it does seem less useful given the circumstances.
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>>64587551
>forge world

Yeah nah. I got these carnies second hand and cheap, I'd rather stick with them.
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>>64588168
Slaanesh sees only benefits
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>>64588212
>20/40D6 auto hitting attacks is a meme
its great for clearing enough chaff to allow your units to get to the actual meat of an army
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>>64588196
As long as Plaguespurt Gauntlets get the same treatment I don't care
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>>64588212

This anon is correct. Everyone went nuts about it, but they'll rarely be seen due to;
- Range you need to use your Perfect Ambush to really help them get close, and theres more important things that need that)
- They only hurt horde or light infantry
- They aren't even the best option for that in GSC when you can have Stealers diving into the horde turn 1

The biggest meta horde list right now is Orks. 20 Acolyte flamers kills on average 19 Boyz, if they dont have a Painboy or anything increasing their save.

Then they die.
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>>64588246
>S3
>either 3CP and hope you get into range or 2CP and be at 3” with no charge
>$160 for 20 models
It is a meme
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>>64586080
My local group has a guy with a pure custodes army, he usually goes full infantry
I'm a GK player, and honestly trash vs trash games are pretty fun
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They should return to the old AP system, it's not like it was hard to understand "if the AP value is equal or lower than the targets armor save, the target cannot make an armor save". If they did that they wouldn't have to give out so many invunerable saves
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>>64588078

Demo charges, shotgun and flamer on the quad or don’t take them.

Well, if you take the cult that allows bikes to move and shoot heavy weapons I guess you could take a laser and get away with it.
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Why do you all fall for the meme units always /40kg/?

>Kelermorph
>Acolyte Flamers
>Bikers

Its like you're attracted to shit
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>>64588270
>S3
yes, you are not targetting tanks
>>either 3CP and hope you get into range or 2CP and be at 3” with no charge
you use this unit to shoot chaff to clear the path
>$160 for 20 models
stop being poor, its only 160pts, so you can take it, and let it be a 20 body ob sec annoyance after the intial flammewaffening
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>>64588303
kelemorph is fine, just not god like. bikers are shit and should have 2 attacks base
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>>64588285
I dont like the new system either, but maybe thats because it feels so fucking random, why do autocannons have ap 1? Why do krak missiles only have ap2? A heavy bolter got worse at killing xenos but better at killing space marines. And somehow none of it matters because plasma is so much better than everything else anyway.
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>>64588303

I know right? At comp levels this book will be about Aberrants, Stealers, Sanctus snipers and insanely cheap CP with powerful Strats.
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>>64588303
Because most of /r40K/ are Marine players who sperg out at anything Community says "LOOK AT THIS EPIC NEW MODEL WITH THIS AWESOME RULE" and ignore every circumstance surrounding it.
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>>64588316
> And somehow none of it matters because plasma is so much better than everything else anyway.
honestly that was always the case
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>>64588285
'All or nothing' was shit. My most common opponent played an all-termy and dreadknight army, so to me any AP that wasn't 1 or 2 was literally worthless. I saw all the complaining about how common AP3 was becoming and it meant nothing to me.
Riptides not giving a shit about krak missiles and battlecannons was daft. And those big 2+ things STILL had invulns anyway.
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>>64588316
How are heavy bolters worse at killing xenos than marines? Xenos normally have a 4+ Save which turns in a 5+ and Marines have a 3+ Save which turns into a 4+.
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>>64588313

No anon the Kelermorph 1 shots your warlord 100% Guaranteed don't reply back to argue this.
Also Castellans are old news since Magus can mind bomb them dead 100% in 1 turn and my acolytes flame every single guardsmen dead.

>t. Average /40kg/ GSCB beta orbiter
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>>64588307
>S3
>wounding on a 5+, 4+ if lucky
>no AP meaning even fucking Orks that you wound a 5+ get a save
Also just because I can pay for something does not mean it is a good idea. You retarded mongler
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>>64588316
That's just what AP4 translated to, since AP2 was becoming -3 and AP3 was becoming -2
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>>64588303

>Kellermorph

Legitimately good.

>Acolyte flamers

Take an already good assault horde troop and give them the option of decent in some scenarios pistols for 1ppm

>Bikers

Yeah no, those are crap. Their only sort of use is being a bit more durable per point than most units in the army and fast enough to maybe find a tactical use as chaff.
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>>64588341
>>wounding on a 5+, 4+ if lucky
4+ vs most chaff you moron
>no AP meaning even fucking Orks that you wound a 5+ get a save
so you dont even play thr game then? orks have a 6+ base you moron, and you dont use boyz for chaff, they are 7ppm
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>>64588329
At least the drawback used to feel like a drawback because you didnt have access to rerolls everywhere and moving and shooting used to be more restrictive so the shorter range was more relevant.
But then i skipped a few editions, so maybe its been a slow creep.
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>>64588336
people get excited over new relases. im sorry /tg/ gets so offended over this, whats good will become clear (as it has) now that the full codex is out
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>>64588365
>But then i skipped a few editions, so maybe its been a slow creep.
yeah 7th was plasma cancer, sam ewoith 6th. both editions let you move and shoot just fine with plasma
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>>64588335
Not what i said anon. heavy bolters got worse at killing guardians, guardsmen, gaunts etc because they get a save where they didnt before, while it got better at killing the space marine holding it because he gets a reduced save where he used to get his 3+.
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How do we make other weapon options forcharacters competitive with thunder hammers? When was the last time you even saw a power mace?
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>>64588351
>Yeah no, those are crap.

*Demolition Charges your favorite tank at +1 to hit and wound*
*Runs 14" away*
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>>64588322

>Aberrants

One of the good units, yes.

>Stealers

Iconic, but inefficient compared to just loading up on acolyte swarms.

>Sanctus snipers

Overrated as hell. If you take one and blow your relic on it then yes, it will take down a psyker or two, otherwise stick to the kellermorph who is much more useful against non character units and offers a great buff.
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>>64588395
So back then, those units just didn't get a save? Why would you even take infantry units then?
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Decided to make one of the blind box marines a Lamenter. What should his name be?
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>>64588359
>he does not play
Every chaff gets a 5+ or better save.
Hell even with your logic. Half of your hits will not wound, and 1/3 of those wound will save.
It’s a meme.
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>>64588332
Surely there's a middle point, though. Chaff with Sv5+ being abnormally durable because everything with any amount of AP is priced to deal with MEQs and up is a problem, not to mention said MEQs now find their shiny 3+ saves aren't worth diddly.
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>>64588359
>7 points
Cheating already? Flamer Acolytes are 8 points
No wonder your are retarded and think flamer Acolytes are not a meme
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>>64588403

Well, we definitely aren't going to agree on this. So i guess we'll have to wait and see!
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>>64588410
Lamenters are the chapter that is incredibly unlucky right? Call him Frane Selak, the most lucky and unlucky man in history.
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>>64588402

I mean, if you want to spend all those points and some command points on a single use gimmick on a platform that’s easy to kill, go ahead. It might get you returns, but this is codex: Aberrants remember. You have vehicles covered.
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>>64588414
???

>what are grots
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What is it? My guess is Possessed.
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>>64588419
>literally says orks a 7ppm
>hurdur acolytes with flamers are 8ppm!

are you actually retarded?
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>>64588440
Strong chance. We do have possessed in the Shadowspear art
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>>64588439
Ah goalpost moving
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>>64588454
>he doesn't know grots are chaff

okay so now we know you don't play.
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>>64588303

Kelermorph is about two or three dead Primaris per turn with a captain buff aura. Shit be tight.
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>>64588407
Heavy weapons were less common, less likely to hit because no rerolls, and could not be fired after moving.
I was about to do the
>hownewru
bit but I guess new comers to the hobby is a good thing. Things used to be very different.
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>>64588440
I think it's an actual Daemon Engine, but I can't really think of any that is still in resin, so it might be a new Engine. Or they could revive something old from Epic
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>>64588448
Orks are chaff you mongler.
Grotz, Guardsmen, boys, cultist, Neophytes, etc all the shit that is T4 or worst and has 5+ or worst save is a chaff.
You are just goal posting because you already wasted money on a meme and want to justify your stupid decisions to people on the internet
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>>64588460
Orks are chaff, Guardsmen are chaff.
Cheap and easy to spam are generally chaff.
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>>64588407
Because you had to
Now at least you get a valuable resource for bringing troops
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>>64588440
It's very clearly a possessed.
>>64588472
Bitch it's clearly a CSM backpack
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>>64588472
It's a possessed backpack. It's got the segmented lower section and on both sides rises the struts holding the exhausts. Whether it's for new possessed models or maybe part of that dragon head backpack exhaust already shown, which looks like the old CSM sorcerer backpack.
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>>64587828
That’s for cities of death, not the base game you mouth breather
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>>64588477
>tfw 60% of my army is t6 or higher
good feel not having to be scared of hand flamers
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>>64588440
I almost got mad about a new DV-tier kit but then I realized it's okay since it's probably a pozzed marine
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>>64588477
>Orks are chaff you mongler.
so as we've been sayong: you dont play. you dont use orks as chaff becuase they are over twice the price of a grot. you use orks to be catapulted across the feild with da jump. thats it.

>>64588414
literally the unit YOU (wrongly) said is chaff dosent get a 5+ you sub 80 IQ dick head
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Regimental Standard is on the downloads page now. Neat.

Honestly I'd play the shit out of a 40k game that didn't take itself as seriously in the vein of RS. Like a Lemmings game where you're a Commissar browbeating Guardsmen into functioning.
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>>64588477
>>64588490
>actually believing this

kek. 3ppm, 25mm base, body shields, even laspistols on 4+ if anyone gets close. You're an idiot if you don't think they're very effective chaff
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>Locus has three head options and two sword
>Isn’t very good
>Other more useful characters are monobuild

Why?
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>>64588523
Hand flamers are a meme
>6” pistol d6 S3 AP0 1 point
On a T3 Sv5+ 7 point body.
You are better off spamming multiple shotgun and autogun Acolytes than wade 3 or 2 CP on hand flamers
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>>64588527
>pozzed
Is this bongspeak?
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>>64588546
>Chaos Terminator Lord is one of the best character kits in the game
>sucks dick in game
It's what GW does
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>>64588534
>not running 90 Orks boys
>says other people do not play
Are you dumb?
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>>64588546
Just depends on wether they have room on the sprue for extra bits or if the designers can be bothered I guess
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>>64588552
pozzed is a term for having AIDs in the gay community, it's slang for "positive"
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>>64588534
>you use orks to be catapulted across the feild with da jump. thats it.

Fuck. Nick Nanavati has been doing it wrong all along. You should go tell him, maybe next time he#ll win another LVO instead of just coming in the top 8 again with his multiple large Boyz blocks.
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>>64588559
>only 90 boys
Obviously you're the idiot. If you do boy spam you go all in on it. If you don't have 150+ boys you've got it wrong
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>>64588543
No one is discussing how effective guardsmens, Orks or fucking grotz are.
The bitching comes from a retard that thinks 8 points hand flamer are a good investment as anti horde
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>when you realise that the necron are the men of iron
this is crazy
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>>64586080
Pure custard is aggressively mid tier.
It can and has won tournaments.
Don't pay attention to people that think they are bad.

You looking at a basic battalion with a bomb or allarus or wardens.

Allarus have good dakka in large numbers and wardens scale very well due to the fnp.
Allasrus also have some really good strats.
Prob is the d3 damage in melee.

If you want to win and still be "pure" you can grab a vanguard of SOS
It's soup... but it's really fluffy soup.

So sos can kill psykers and work well as a back line. If you stick a squad of them infront of your infantry. SOS work as a very good smite blockers.

Now this changes a bit with forgeworld.
But I would always still recommend the SOS.
The extra bodies are needed..... and they are kinda cheap at 10ppm
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>>64588549

>7 autohits per two models
>Still has rending claws, bonus knives and easy buffability

I wouldn’t take a huge unit of flamer acolytes then blow command points on getting their shooting perfect, but a unit of five or two wouldn’t be the worst idea.
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>>64588576
>seething
Now please tell me how 20 hand flamers are good against 150 boys let alone a single squad of 30
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>>64588558
Chaos Terminator Lords are great, what are you talking about?
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>>64588453
>We do have possessed in the Shadowspear art
i figured those were mutilators 2bh
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>>64588590
Then thing is you either spend 2CP to get at 3” and won’t be allowed to charge Aka dead Acolytes
Or 3CP and hope yo get a good roll on the d6” move
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>>64588590
They are not bad, but spending 8 points per model to kill grotz as the guy is suggesting is just dumb.
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>>64588600
>using terminators in plasma edition
Biker lord is more durable, has an additional combi-bolter, and is faster to boot.
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>>64588610

Or just pepper 5-10 amongst your horde spam for 5-10 points and some games you’ll have them in position to use them the turn after they ambush.
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>>64588635

If youre going to use them i think this is the better way to do so. Cheap enough and not threatening enough to get deleted (like the big meme squads will).
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>>64588575
maybe he'd of actually won by dropping ONE squad of orks, so he could pick up 6 units of 10 grots, so he could control the whole board, seeing as the models are tiny enough to never be seen
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>>64588634
Brah you use them by dropping them from deepstrike with a unit of Terminators, all with Combi Plasmas and you will delete most things in the game with Overcharges.
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>decide to play some 40k
>walk two hours to the nearest shop
>finally get there and drop all my models, which I carried by hand, onto the table
>ask if someone wants to play while I bring out my list, which I made as a fresco on canvas
>some newfag at the shop shows up, he's playing Tau
>fucking Tau
>decide to tailor my list while he's setting up, try to discretely bring out the white oil to erase part of my list while I mix together some fresh tempera to write it in
>he's already done with his first turn and lunch by the time I'm finished writing it all in, now it's my turn
>timetowreckshit.jpg
>I use a rope marked with knots to measure out my movement
>Range is decided by measuring two shadows at different times of the day
>just before I roll to hit, the fucking Tau player asks me to double check the gear on my guys
>say sure through gritted teeth, whip out the Eldar codex
>and the Dark Eldar codex
>also Harlequins
>plus the Forge World datasheet
>I'm allying a Riptide Wing and get forgot his Tau codex so I take that out too
>I'm halfway through flipping to my entry in Gathering Storm II when the Tau player stops me
>He already had put my list into Battlescribe and checked it himself seconds after we had set up
>I angrily put all my codexes back into my sheepskin satchel before resuming
FUCKING list builderfags, Battlescribe needs to be fucking banned from events. I'm tired of playing games against people who need their hand held through the list-building process.
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>>64588592
>20 hand flamers
>160 pts

>150 boys
>1050 PTS
YOU'VE SURE DONE ME
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>>64588635
You do know they are 8 points T3 Sv5+ models?
It’s nice to have the flamers, but they are melee unit and actually decent one that can make it to melee. Investing them as a hand flamer gimmick is not that great
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>>64588656

Maybe hes a better player who actually plays the game though?
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>>64586882
>Hey boys, I like this sex god too. I’m not like the other girls.

Suffer not the thot to live.
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>>64588575
His LVO list was weird. Maybe he just didn't have the models.
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>>64588678
he certainlly plays more than you, which is not at all
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>>64588675
Pistol flamers is the point for melee.
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>>64588671
>wound on 5+
>save on a 6+ if not better
So maybe Orks left alive
Stop already it is a meme just like the Faith Bunker
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>>64588686
T3 Sv5+
If by some miracle you are still in melee sure... I guess
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>>64588682

Always possible i guess, but these guys drop $1000's on their tournament lists and usually get them painted too (i believe Nicks was a free paintjob by Army Painter actually, as sponsorship).

Not having the models doesnt usually stop them.
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>>64588668
>all the books and allies
>eldar and tau
is this a 7th edition meme?
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>>64588682
What was the list?
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>>64588705
yeah, its a best edition meme
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>>64588671
>S3 versus T4
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>>64588700
>They're melee units
>Okay they do melee things
>They're not melee units!
Try to have some consistency, instead of just automatically and thoughtlessly gainsaying everything.
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>>64588724
>the 5'9 virgin hand flamer
>the 6'5 chad ork boy
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>>64588671
From where the fuck are you going to get 20 hand flamers and 20 acolytes?
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>>64588718

I can't recall 100% of it offhand...i'll look on BCP later.
It had 2 units of Lootaz, 3 or 4 max sized Boyz, grots for shielding and some random other bits iirc.
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>>64588741
read the thread
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>>64588440
But we already have possessed. Maybe it's new chosen or chaos lord?
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>>64588741
Every Acolyte can take a Hand Flamer for +1 point per model, and they come in squads of up to 20.
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just bought the following off of my friends for a total of $60:
Genestealer Primus
Magus
Patriarch + familiars
2Overkill genestealers
12 Acolyte Hybrids
26 Neophyte Hybrids

Only problem is that the Patriarch has most of his big rending claws broken off. Any conversion ideas to replace them with something cooler, or replace the hands entirely?
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>>64588738

A melee unit can be a melee unit without being able to survive more than a turn anon. Its about doing maximum damage.

Pistols, flamer or not, do not help this as they need to survive an entire other turn to fire them, which will simply not happen.
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>>64588745
ah, okay. Thanks my friendo
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>>64588758
>>64588750
enjoy spending $160 on one squad
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>>64588738
Not sure what your point is.
You said that pistol flamers are good for melee.
That implies the Acolyte stayed on melee till your shooting phase.
That is such an unlike scenario that is not even worth mentioning
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>>64588761
>suicide melee units
And that's how i know you're either a bronze league shitter, or don't even play.
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>>64588585
Thanks for the advice anon, and I was looking at SOS too!
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>>64588779
>in before poorfag
It’s just a dumb gimmick that could only constantly work against grotz... So spending $160 just to kill grotz is dumb on such a big scale that I’m impressed
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>>64588779
chinaman sells Acolytes
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>>64588769
Here you go matey.
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>>64588782
In what universe a W1 T3 Sv5+ Melee unit is not a suicidal.
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>>64588752
No reason to turn Chosen into something that fits the exact description of Possessed
And the Sorceror is clearly the box's Chaos leader
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>>64588804
he's saying that you're a retard for using suicide melee units
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>>64588798
Since they are plastic models it would be like $120 for decent recast. Maybe $100 for shitty ones
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>>64588761

You know genecults take a -lot- of models, right? Some of your acolytes will last a while just by target saturation.
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>>64588812
>And the Sorceror is clearly the box's Chaos leader
The master of possession doesn't have the dragon head backpack
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>>64588817

But we're the ones arguing that they are a shit meme unit.
I'm so confused now.

Basically: Flamer Acolytes are shit, and a meme. And thats me done.
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Why are dreadknights so ugly and GK landraiders so expensive anons. I wish it were the other way around. I dont even want to buy both of them, and I dont know what kind of armored support to give my footslogging gay knights
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>>64588801
What a shit boring wank looking list
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>>64588804

A universe where you’ve fielded 60 of the little fuckers and have your more elite units smashing things up at the same time.
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Serious question about the Acolyte Hand Flamer meme. I've managed to cobble together 20 Acolytes between the Battle Force/Tooth and Claw/Starn's Disciples and the up and coming Start Collecting(!). Is it worth building them with Hand Flamers or am I better just sticking with knives? Is it worth putting Hand Flamers on SOME?
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>>64588740
>the 6'5 chad ork boy
Maybe if they stood up streight instead of waddling around like Gorillas.
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>>64588819
$104 for 20, and they look good
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>>64588822
Yeah, but making 20 hand flamer Acolytes is a meme. They won’t survive unless for some odd reason you decide to make 60 hand flamer acolyte.
With how easy it is too buff the BS for neophyte 20 shotgun neophyte Can work better for horde clearing at least making a wall of them would be easier and cheaper to do reliably
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>>64588740

"Zog Off"
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>>64588779
to be honest, if you are running GSC you proably want to be runing one max squad wiht power tools anyway: a twisted helix squad with either saws or drills can get a toal of 4 str 12 dealing mutiple damage each. not bad for 200 odd points
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>>64588837

Stock up on Deathwatch Overkill acolytes, then use your more expensive ones purely to fill in specialists with heavy mining equipment, standards or clearly marked unit leaders.
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>>64588783
Yeah, anon np.
I really feel that SOS are almost a hidden gem.
They will even become competitive if SOS and SOB get the bolter beta rule.

When people find out they can snipe psykers... it can be kind fun.

30 bolters shots are not much of a threat....but can become one when they can suddely target your characters.
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>>64588834
Welcome to top tier comp lists.
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>>64588825
That is what everyone is saying but one autistic fuck that is convinced that hand flamer Acolytes are good against Ork boys or a great investment at killing grotz
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>>64588837

Head in the lions mouth there anon....prepare for shit incoming.
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>>64588801
So he had 76 grots all along, and the ork boys were just there to get him more CP. He must have not had enough grots to do it well
weird list
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>>64588837
hand flamers are d6 s3 attacks within 6" for 1pts.

thats very, very good. i would guess that will be 2pts or even 3pts in the next chapter approved.
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>>64588861

>Taking bolter sisters of silence

Why would you ever do this
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>>64588857

I agree. Thats a nasty alpha unit, and much scarier than flamers in the current meta.
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>>64588823
I was ruling out the possibility of the clawed fiend in the artwork being a Chosen or Lord, not suggesting the rumour mill backpack belongs to the Sorcerer.
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>>64588837
I run MSU (3 units of 5) all with Hand Flamers. It's not bad
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>>64586080
I'm probable going to convert mine like this, And I suggest anyone else who has more money than sense to do the same
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>>64588837
hand flamers are 1 pt each, they are probaly worth it, just dont expect them to do all the heavy lifting
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>>64588857
That’s the thing wasting Acolytes in meme hand flamers of 20 just dumb.
When even a squad of 10 with 4 rock saw would be a better investment
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>>64588885
yeah but its what 12 points to give the rest of them flamers. worth it i think, just in case. if you kill 2 ork buts, or 3 gaurdmen, youve made the hand flamers points back
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>>64588825
As far as I’m concerned Flamer Acolytes are functionally the same as 20 death company: Both jump in, tenderize a unit, then die to return fire. The fact that Genestealer cults can do it cheaper is something to be envied.
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>>64588891

>Putting the shitty weapons on the good terminators

Why would you ever do this
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>>64588882
They are nice, but not the super good unit some retard are trying to meme about.
S3 really hurts the flamers
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>>64588877
Nah, the orks are there to be a very pressing threat while the lootas combine into one squad and shoot twice with boosts every turn. The grots are there to keep the lootas from dying ever. And you can't ignore the boys because when they get to combat they'll chew through all your chaff and then start tearing into your heavy stuff, especially with the warbosses among them
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>>64588904

totally. I dont think anyone here is arguing that the flamers are bad....just the "meme dream" 20 unit is bad, compared to other options.

Throwing flamers in the remainder of the unit is rock solid IMO.
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>>64588911
I was talking about the armor, but yeah I dunno why the guy did that.
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>>64588919
Yeah the hand flamers are good on the guys with mining weapons. They are going to survive the longest of the 20 guys.
Giving hand flamers to everyone in the squad is just dumb
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>>64588930
>Yeah the hand flamers are good on the guys with mining weapons
yeah, you cant do that. The power tools cant be taken with a pistol
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>>64588917
yeah i wouldnt do a 20 man flamer squad. most of the squad will be there to protect the rock saws so why make it more expensive than you have to?
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What mining weapons should Acolytes take? All the same or mix 'n match?

Are shotgun neophytes any good?
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>>64588779
Exactly the same amount of money you'd spend on Acolytes anyway, and they're your bread-and-butter infantry so the cost is irrelevant. You're going to have to buy them anyway.
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>>64588812
What about chosen from the Dark Vengeance and Obsidius Mallex from the Blackstone Fortress? They definitely looks like some sort of possessed. Eye and face on shoulders, tongue on knee, flesh on backpack, etc.
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>playing guy at my flgs
>he constantly talks about what tactics he should or shouldn't do
>whether he should move here or there, shoot or charge this or that
>make suggestion on what he should do
>he always ignores what I say and keeps babbling
>when things don't go his way he complains he should have made a different move, and it would have been better, even if what he did was sound, he just rolled poorly.
Players like this annoy me. What is it that opponent's do that annoy you?
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>>64588953

Shotgun neophytes are pretty solid IMO. Theres a number of easy buffs to their accuracy, and they are cheap as hell.

Chaff that also puts out high volume Str3/4 shooting at very low cost? Yes please.
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>>64588953
they are all good, cutters are probs the worst becuase -1 to hit and they dont work well on vehcles. drills are the best, but are the most expencive. I go for saws and drills myself
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>>64588962
That's just the design for Crimson Slaughter
In case you can't tell, the Black Legion are not Crimson Slaughter
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>>64588940
New rules.
They replace the claws and knife. They still keep their pistol
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>>64588953
>Are shotgun neophytes any good?
no, they are the same price as autogun guys, and have strictly worse guns
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>>64588964

Anyone that makes repeated "long odds" moves/attacks, then gets saltly when they repeatedly dont do well.

In fact salty losers (or winners) in general. Fuck off with that, it's a plastic soldier game.
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>>64588962
Still no actual weapon mutations, which are the biggest thing about the Possessed themselves
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>>64588978
oh would you look at that, good catch anon.
I'd still go all flamers, becusae jesus, its only 1 ppm, and auto pistol will do nothing
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>>64588953
Saws are the best. No question about it. 10pts for that stat line is crazy. The drill is the most fun though so I always take max drills.

I think autoguns are better on neophytes. The extra range is really useful for a unit that wants to run around and grab objectives.
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Who can make reliable T1 charges?
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the taurox looks stupid even with wheels

they should release a better light vehicle
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>>64589002

Agreed with this. Saws are best, drills are funniest.
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>>64588958
That’s for just 1 squad.
A full size squad Neophytes is $80 no where near the $160 for the full size squad of Acolytes
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>>64588583
they're not though
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>>64589007
Orks. Dark Eldar.
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>>64588884
Because they are not that bad.
10ppm for some basic bolter bitches that block psychic powers.

assassins are a bit better.... but cost more for 3 units.
So you can take the -1cp penalty for just one but meh.
Now assassins are a bit more tanky.
But sos work better as back line units if the people you are playing don't have psykers.
Also, if you take a psyker yourself. You can keep the +1 command point.

So for 150 points you get a vanguard of them.
Now the loyal 32 or the rusty 17 are better due to the ability to recycle command points.
Really this is the weakness of the detachment.
If SOS every got a cp farm hq.. this would change.

But for the points... they are really not that bad when you consider they can snipe chars.
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>>64588978
>Helix boys with a patriarch adn saws are str 10 ap -4 dam 2, hit on 2s with re-rolls, wound knights (and all vehcles really) on 3's and can get re-roll 1s
jesus thats good
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>>64589007
Tyranids/GSC, Harlequins, Chaos, Ynnari, Orks

Maybe some others, but those ones spring to mind first.
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>>64589007
Kraken Genestealers with Swarmlord
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>>64588979
They work for the deepstrike at 3” Stratagem
S4 weapons is good enough

>>64588995
Those extra 1 points are nice to have them. But if you have nothing else to spend them on. Sure go full hand flamer
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>>64589007
Behamoth/kraken GS with swarmlord
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>>64589007
Chaos renegade bikers
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>>64588964
The only thing that really bothers me is the people who play the game
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>>64588964
>fuck this guy for thinking out loud
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>>64588759

You can run Bladed Cog and cybernetically enhance your Patriarch.
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>>64589016
Rock cutter is fun when you face those W6 models.
Nurgle guys just hate it
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>>64589007
Kraken Genestealers
Red Grief Wych Cult
Shining Spears (through Quicken)
Evil Sunz Orks

Only Shining Spears are reliable vs GSC though as their blips cause a 9" no go zone and quicken happens after this is lifted.
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>>64589009
What's wrong with the Sentinel
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>>64588440
It's an image of a Chaos backpack. Probably for the Possessed, but could be for regular marines.
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>>64589068
<Genestealers> you can’t benefit from the cult bonus by the way. Relics are fine though
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>>64589041
>They work for the deepstrike at 3” Stratagem
really? thats not a great use of 2 CP. a keller is better to do that with i think
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>>64588964
Organising a friendly game and turning up to a cheese list tailored against me. Often times I still win but it sours my opinion on the game at hand and the person I'm playing.
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>>64589077

nothing i just meant a wheeled transport for lighter stuff

in fact would anyone give a shit if i used the new ridgerunner as a counts-as taurox
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>>64589007
Sisters of Battle Dominions squads inside a transport
24”+d6” movement turn one does wonders
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>>64589068
Genestealers don't get cult creeds, bizarrely.
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>>64589084

Why does a Keler need to be that close?
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>>64589084
More than shooting it’s a nice way to block something. It decent it anything.
Works wonder against T3 models since you can get decent buff to BS and you already wounding on a 3+
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>>64589103

its not that bizarre...some of the creeds would be brutal. 4++ Stealers? Stealers re-rolling all misses without even needing buffs?

Ouch.
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1.5k space wolves va death guard.

Playing a vigilus campaign game. I'm the defender.

Time to hold the line
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>>64589097
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Say I had a death guard outrider detachment with 3 drones, could I in theory put a unit of obliterators in there and run it as a heretic astartes detachment? Neither units benefit very much from chapter tactics, so I wouldn't be missing anything.
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>>64588979

You don't want to arm ALL your neophytes with Shotguns, but you do want them on the double flamer squad that uses Lying in Wait to clear the way for an important charge.
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>>64589127
15 points per model? And can’t be spam due to them not being troops. Is not that horrible.
Hell someone might actually take them in a GSC outside of not wanting to ally Nids
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>>64589128
Lets try that again
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>>64589138
He asked for turn 1 charges
They can do it.
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>>64589165

Fair points. I guess Nid ones lack the delivery stratagems that GSC have, but still...they usually dont need it.
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>>64589128
Unless he has some weird list it looks like your preds are going to win the day.
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>>64589082
>>64589103

I know that, I was making a suggestion for how to fix his Patriarch model. If he models it as cybernetic enhancement and runs his army as Bladed Cog it's fluffy, even if the Patriarch isn't getting rules to reflect the enhancement.
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>>64589166
thats a lot of lascannons
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>>64589140
That should be fine
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Why does firing both profiles on a combi-weapon reduce the to-hit roll by -1, but firing both barrels on a combi-bolter has no effect on accuracy?
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>>64589178
Nids do not need the deliver stratagem. They either move fast as shit or can be sling shot into the enemy.
GSC ones need to spend 3CP or run for two turns.
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>>64589166
Are those blight haulers BEHIND your tank line?

What the hell happened?
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>>64589166
Why is it literally every time I see a Blight Hauler used IRL or in a photograph it's just sprayed Death Guard green no matter the state of the rest of the army? It's freaking me out guys.
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>>64589195
I doubt the combi bolter even has separate triggers for each barrel
Other combis are different guns with different rhythms, maybe that throws things off
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>>64589103
>bizarrely
it makes perfect sense, and chaos cultists should work the same way
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>>64589213
Mightve been the deepstrike stratagem for daemons

Blighthaulers ARE nurge daemons after all
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>>64589224
In case you're serious, the EZ Build Blight Hauler sprue is made from green plastic
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Oh my god, they’re going to shill the ambull box all week, aren’t they?
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>>64589230
no man

cultists should totally be able to double fire with veterans of the long war

dont be a hater
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>>64589165
>can’t be spam due to them not being troops
What edition are you playing?
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>>64589180
This mission gave him a strategem as the attacker that let him deploy those melta blight haulers behind me. This is the result of at the end of turn 1.
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>>64589224

>it's just sprayed Death Guard green
Is that not just the colour of the plastic though?
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>>64589244

oh boy it's fucking space marine versus space marine i'm so happy everyone is diversifying their fucking plastic and not just playing horus heresy v2 goddamn fucking gw releasing 99% space marines it's FUCKING BORING
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>>64589250
Oh yeah, all of those daemon engines in HH
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>>64589240
The one where Genestealers are elite in the Genestealers cults codex
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>>64589093
What constitutes cheesy to you?
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>>64589244
>separating haulers from infantry, negating most of their usefulness
Did you blast them off the board? Or did they get into combat?
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>>64589272
When has that stopped spam?
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>>64589250
At least it's Chaos Marines. LSM vs LSM is the most boring thing ever and sadly the majority of games. GW are obviously pushing for Heresy 2.0 with shit like the Primarchs though.
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>>64588964
This is a very common thing and its how he keeps you involved during his turn while he's thinking you autist

Can you imagine how fucking bizarre and awkward it would be if your opponent silently sat and stared at the table for 10 minutes?
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>>64589286
(you)
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>>64589250
If they could justify xeno marines I'm sure they'd do it.
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Trygon or 6 Tyranid warriors with 2 venom cannons?
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>>64589313
depends how many big gribblies are also on the board. The more of them you have the more of them you want
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>>64589305
I can include 300 points of purestrains per unit. Isn't there a detachment that has three elite slots? That means if I wanted to, i could have well over 1500 points of purestrains.
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>>64589306
>some chapters join the Tau Empire
>Genestealer-infected Marines

Give it time. GW's writing team are stupid enough to do it and suddenly /reddit40k/ will act like they've always loved the Tau.
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>>64589301
No its fucking annoying, questioning out loud everything you do. Just make your fucking moves and think on your opponents turn and say what your moving up or shooting or charging. Or talk about literally anything else then standing there for 5 minutes questioning what to do. If you honestly need a think, just say that.
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>>64589329
but i have always liked the tau. the kroot were fucking awesome and the fire warrior models are some the best models gw has ever made.

maybe it was because i was like 12 but they were awesome.
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>>64589274
Well the example I had in mind, my opponent took 2 riptides, 2 Coldstar commanders, broadsides, drone controller dude and ethereal, mass fire warriors and mass drones/Path finders in a castle. Which was fine its the strongesg t'au set up, except the previous game which I stood and watched he played with the -1ap sig systems on his suits vs guard but when I set up my deldar he said "ah I got a few changes in list, I dropped a support system and took the anti fly one on everything".
I'd turned up with a wych cult army to give him a chance And he tailored against me.
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>>64589324
If you play in alternative reality where rule of 3 does not work sure.
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>>64588779
Not an argument
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>>64589239
Yeah. Expendable cannon fodder that survived ten millennia of warfare it's a staple of the faction.
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>>64589340
>It is annoying when my opponent speaks about the game we are currently playing instead of being silent or just declaring phases
Anon confirmed for autistic
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>>64589340
>not wanting to be exposed to other peoples train of thought and strategies
Maybe it's just me because I'm new to the hobby but I love hearing this. It makes me feel like I'm learning to be better.
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>>64589313

Trygons suck.
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>>64589340
>not wanting to be exposed to other peoples train of thought and strategies
Maybe it's just me because I'm new to the hobby but I love hearing this. It makes me feel like I'm learning to be better.
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>>64589364
>mortal humans
>survived ten millennia
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>>64589368
I'm fine with talking and shootin the shit, even trash talking cause it's funny. But talking to yourself and questioning every move you make is the definition of autistic, and slows the game down so much.
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>>64589195

Because combi bolters are two bolters strapped together and wired to the same trigger (Storm bolters are the same, but in a more sophisticated way) while a combi weapon has two distinct triggers and firing both parts of the weapon will cause them both to be less accurate.
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>>64589231
>Mightve been the deepstrike stratagem for daemons
>Blighthaulers ARE nurge daemons after all

Can't.
They FAQ'd Daemon stratagems.

Whenever a Daemon stratagem calls out a DAEMON. The DAEMON must have the Daemon FACTION KEYWORD. Not just the keyword.
>Because GW was an idiot and didn't rebrand Daemons as something stupid, like Codex: Warpspawn


Q: When a Stratagem from Codex: Chaos Daemons
uses the Daemon keyword, can it be used to affect any unit
with the Daemon keyword, or only units with the Daemon
Faction keyword?
A: These Stratagems can only affect units with the
Daemon Faction keyword.
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>>64589340
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>>64589165
According to battlescribe they do get the <CULT> keyword. So 4++ genestealers? Maybe?
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>>64589412
they get the keyword but they dont get the buffs. the codex says its because of their xeno biology.
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>>64589390
Nah. You getting your knickers in a twist over someone thinking out loud is much more autistic.
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>>64589306
>If they could justify xeno marines I'm sure they'd do it.
Kroot eat enough space marines.
>Say hello to the Krootus Astartes
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>>64589412
dont use battle scribe. 'dex tells you GS dont get cult bonus
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>>64589412
They get the cult keyword, but not the cult bonus. Read the fucking codex
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>>64589324
Just run a Battalion. it has 3 elite slots.
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>>64586420
>The prophecy of the living meme
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>>64589430
6
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>>64589412
>According to battlescribe they do get the <CULT> keyword. So 4++ genestealers? Maybe?
Grots get the <CLAN> keyword, so that means Kulturs affect Grots too!
>No it doesn't. They have <CULT> so they can benefit from auras, stratagems, and psychic powers.
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>>64589390

Wrong, vocalising your thoughts is known to help everyone, not just autistic faggots, order and calm your thoughts, getting it out into the open allows you to think more clearly about your options, same way writing down pros and cons does.

Not only that, but it can influence your opponent massively. Making them aware of some strategies by vocalising them can put their focus on it, especially if you know they had it in mind before the game while keeping some lesser known ideas in your head allows you to manipulate your opponent. It clearly worked to frustrate you, but a lot of the time it deals in a way to manipulate the enemy.

Same way offering ideas to the opponent, genuinely good ones, can really turn the game in your favour. People have told me that when they play against me they sometimes kind of go into a trance without realising it, where they are just waiting for me to tell them something and kind of "forget" to make their own decisions. I didnt do this by whinging or moaning at them, I did this by setting a good atmosphere and then offering actual good advice or tips on how to win, to the point where they stop thinking about it themselves.
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>>64589420
Nah brah. You seem angry at me. Maybe your autistic.
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>>64589127
>>64589230
Purestrains with GSC traits would be strong, but as it stands there's no reason to ever use them in a GSC army since both Tyranid Genestealers and GSC Hybrids are better in near every way.
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>>64589412
>can't even be fucked to read the codex
You have to go back
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>>64589032
Make them Vigilus Broodsurge acolytes and take a Primus to make them hit and wound knights on 2s rerolling all the turn they come up
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>>64589467
Sounds like you bored them to death
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>>64589275
Blasted them off the board. This is the situation end of turn 1. I've not lost anything yet.

Victory conditions for him is to destroy half my army by end of turn 5. I am just retreating and shooting constantly.
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>>64589505
Neophytes and acolyte detachment gets the broodsurge
Aberrants and Brood Brothers get the thong.
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>>64589390
It should give you an insight into their playstyle. You should be able to use their external monologue to your advantage.
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>>64589093
It makes me seethe when my friends pull this shit on me.

>playing SW with a classic razorwolves list
>guard codex just came out
>friend decided to pull out his guard tank army and painted them mordian
>I didn't know this going in, had more anti infantry than anti tank
>he put flamer sponsons on everything
>I barely get into combat just for his tank to roll away unscathed and then get shot to death by a shit ton of flamers

I think that is single handedly the worst game of 8th edition I've had so far.
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>>64589489

Yea with traits they wouldn't be awful and might compete with Acolytes or Aberrants in some cases, though I believe Acolytes would still be more efficient in most cases thanks to being half the cost.
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>>64587538
I keep seeing this said. How does it fix?
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>>64589531

True, but the same people continue to play me and say they enjoy playing against me. Might just be being nice, but I play against the same dude once pretty much every week (We have sessions twice a week) despite there being plenty of us.
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>>64589390
I have much more problem with a third party autist watching my game trying to roleplay my fucking battle. Just the most cringy shit to me, if I wanted to narrate it I would have.
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>>64589559
I'm glad for it. Means I don't have to bring those shitty looking models to do well in a game.
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>>64589587
i play gsc and the only genestealer model i have is the patriarch

fuck those models. they are fucking shit.
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>>64589559
The only reason why someone would use Genestealers in a GSC army is because Acolytes are retardly expensive money wise
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>>64589557
My friends and I build lists with a rule: you're only allowed to know which faction(s) your opponent is playing. Specific to the keyword too (i.e. Ultramarines or Catachans).
This way you can both bring certain things and not be screwed over (i.e. anti-knight weapons for Knights or anti-horde if you're against orks) but can't necessarily tailor specifically (i.e. if the ork player whips out a dreadmob and you cheaped out on antivehicle.)
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>>64589559
Why did they decide purestrains don't get traits? What's the deal?
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>>64589587
>>64589591

I have over 40 classic Space Hulk Genestealers. I also hate the 4th edition Genestealer models, but for different reasons.

The Overkill ones are alright. If we had a third new kit for them I'd want it to be utilizing those designs.
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>>64589546
>Aberrants and Brood Brothers get the thong
Only if they're playing against Sisters.
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>>64589605
I'm very upfront with my lists and to a large extent so are my friends, but there are occasions when they flip it on the day.
"Oh I was gonna play Nids but now I'm playing Imperial soup!".
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>>64589605
Well see my friends like to act like faggots sometimes and say "it's a surprise", which usually ends up getting me fucked since the only proper armies I have are Wolves and GSC.

>>64589622
>>64589591
I just don't like purestrains. The current models are ugly as fuck and I started the army cause I liked the rugged mining gear shit reminiscent of the space suits from Alien.
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>>64589621
Because they're not half-human Cultists. They're Tyranids.
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>>64589621
Some how more expensive Genestealers than Nids with no stratagems or easy way to deliver them into melee was way to overpower.
At least that is what I think it happen
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>>64589573
Okay, that sounds actually terrible and I've never even heard of this. What the fuck, I want a story.
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>>64589621
Because the Cults are built around the culture they're in; patriarchs and Genestealers don't try to fit in so they don't adopt the Creed. Same with vehicles, a tank can't make itself +1S because it's not got muscles, even if its from the bodybuilder Cult
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>>64589654
The patriarch gets traits though
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>>64589343
Dang, that sucks
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>>64589671
>Same with vehicles, a tank can't make itself +1S because it's not got muscles, even if its from the bodybuilder Cult

GSC vehicles don't get Creeds?
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>>64589621

It was purely a fluff decision, I think. The creeds are meant to represent the religious beliefs or dogmas held by the hybrid cultists. The Patriarch and Genestealers do not hold any such beliefs.
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>>64589673
nope
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>>64589557

At least he painted them Mordian, thats a lot more dedication than most players these days bother with.
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[Insert Austin Powers joke here]
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>>64589673

He has the Genestealer keyword so no
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>>64589684
>The biological madmen can't make 900 octane fuel out of the genestealer genome so tanks have more punch
Weak
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>>64589646
>>64589640
Your friends are shit.
Only thing I can think is to bring three lists, (anti-infantry, anti-horde, and a TAAC) and choose when they show up.
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>>64589684

Bikes and Infants only>>64589701 see this for confirmation.
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>>64589661
My GW has two really bad spergs. One spews out nothing but 1d4chan memes and is a closeted try hard that ran his imperial fists as space wolves before space marines got a codex just because they were slightly better space marines, the other is a ridiculous lore autist who will just spout random fucking lore blurbs no one cared about out of nowhere. The latter will also try to correct your army shit if it isn't correct and I hate it. Then there's another faggot who plays IG and can't stop fucking talking ever, he'll try to insert himself into arguments claiming "I'm just mediating bro!" when in reality there was no argument to begin with and he's just exacerbating it.

Anyway, if those faggots see any games happening they'll constantly try to shit it up and act like they're the dudes fighting narrating the battle with cringy memes and shit. Also they can't take a hint to fuck off.
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>>64589655
>Some how more expensive Genestealers than Nids

Genestealers are borderline OP in the Tyranid codex thanks to how fast they can get into combat. I fully expect them to get a points hike to match the GSC Purestrains.
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>>64589712
To be fair it's probably because I'm unbeaten since my codex dropped and they're getting frustrated but I'm running weaker and weaker lists so yeah I don't know, maybe I should throw a game
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>>64589684
Just like Marines then
Strange to see THAT exception come back now at the end of Codexes
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>>64589723

Stop hinting. Politely tell them that they are disrupting the game and disturbing the players, and to either stop it or leave.

If they don't, flat out tell them to fuck off next.
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>>64589723
So basically they're every type of /40k/ player here? Tell them I said hi.
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silent king model when?
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>>64589701
>Only non-GENESTEALER INFANTRY and BIKERS get <subfaction> rules

The fuck?

8E Start:
>Only Bikers, Infantry, Dreadnoughts get subfaction rules

Early 8E:
>EVERYTHING gets subfaction rules

"Orktober" 8E
>Everything but Grots get subfaction rules

>2019 8E:
>Only Bikers and some Infantry. Not all Infantry tho.
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>>64589493
>>64589424
>>64589418
>>64589451
Thanks lads, i'm fucking retarded. Guess i gotta download the codex.
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>>64589723
Shit, that sucks. I go to a flgs, not a GW. Seems to have less autists on average.
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>>64589685
>The creeds are meant to represent the religious beliefs or dogmas held by the hybrid cultists
The drivers are significantly less devout, it seems

>>64589731
This point discrepancy has existed since before CA1, its here to stay
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>>64589712
I started doing this, and at the same time stopped mentioning anything about what I'm trying when they're around. One of them goes to great lengths just to research my fucking units. I brought a poryphiron one time just to fuck around and he started spewing its stats at me while I was looking up some shit about it. His reasoning was "It's broken dude" after I killed a knight with it. Also I wanna mention I have not won a game of 8th yet because of this cancer.

>>64589745
>>64589767
I've been firm with them, but in the end it's done nothing since my GW is big on making sure "everyone feels welcome", so I've just decided to play at the LGS further away from me instead. Only problem is I gotta make sure the magic fags don't try to steal our shit.
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CODEX FREEBOOTERS
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>>64589545
Oh didn't realize this was an ongoing game. I'd be surprised if he had anything fast enough to challenge your tanks now. He almost certainly doesn't have the range.
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>>64589731
>I fully expect them to get a points hike to match the GSC Purestrains.

It's not happening, we actually had Purestrains get dropped to match the 12ppm fleet 'Stealers back when GW was doing Index point adjustments in the FAQs. It lasted like, 2 months, then they were raised to 15 again.

They have a clear and deliberate intention of keeping the two apart in price, with GSC on the worse end.
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>>64589783

Ohhh, it's a GW store. Yeah that makes sense.
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>>64589692
Well, when I say painted all he did was spray paint them black, do some dry brush and then paint on some stripes.
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>>64589783
It's easy, just burn the local store to the ground with those people inside.
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>>64589809
Kek I wish. For some reason lately our GW has just been spergapalooza. So many new ones came out of nowhere so I've stayed away.
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>>64587110
Sauce me that shit senpai
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>>64589781
The Patriarch and purestrains aren't the brains behind the cult, they're just figureheads. At heart, they're still just bugs. Magoses and Primuses are the shot callers
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>>64589783
Magicniggers are fucking insufferable
The only time I've had my shit broken by someone was when a magic player got pissy with me and chucked a model across the room for not giving up my seat so he and his friend could play modern
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>>64589742
Isn't it? Mind you, GSC traits are significantly stronger than Marine ones, but it's still an oddity.
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>>64589839
I would've beat their shit in with a dreadsock right then and there.
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>>64588585
could a vanguard detachment of fallen and cypher work for the same purpose?
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>>64589839
Even if he only threw a single gaunt, I'd tear that fuckers deck in half.
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>>64589661
An autist at my store was playing Magnus in an escalation league.
>playing someone else
>he walks up and puts Magnus next to my HQ
>hue hue then Magnus uses his staff as a golf club and swings your captain off the table
>trying to be as friendly as possible "yeah I hope, dude costs 4x more"
>goes on to talk about how great Magnus is and how he'd table everything I have placed out in this game he's not even a part of
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So whats the explanation for Twisted Helix having Patriarchs? They started the cult without one and it seems like the cult is too tightly controlled to be letting genestealers grow into patriarchs
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>start gsc as a side project for guard
>want to go with four-armed emperor scheme
>see pic related
>would match my cadians perfectly
>would probably look shit if I ran a standalone GSC force

What do.
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>>64589824
MiMiA Cute - Seshi Knight Millcream part 1
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>>64589839

>player got pissy with me and chucked a model across the room
Jesus Christ. Sounds like something a literal 4 year old would do. No wonder people use the term “manchild”.
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>>64589826
Oh no, I'm talking about the people driving the vehicles who don't get cult traits
Bunch of slackjawed non-believers, those ones
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>>64589839
So did you give him a good beating then? No one fucks with your model.
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>>64589839
So you punched him in the mouth, right anon?
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>>64589851
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>>64589901
Figured it was more enjoyable watching him beg to not get banned from the store than explain why I beat his ass to the police

Manager came over, and once he heard what happened told him to never come back, and called him out for buying literally everything he owns online when the autist spewed that he just lost a paying customer
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>>64589878
Make them roughriders for your cadian force
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>>64589979
At least you got some retribution anon.
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>>64589979
That's some good shit
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>>64589839
I'd steal his cards/binder while he wasn't looking. Burn it all on video anonymously then leave the video on the lgs door front.

I've done this to a magic player who smashed a model of mine. minus the video part though
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>>64589900
Oh yeah, it sucks that there's not a cult focusing on vehicles. Even Rusted Claw leaves them behind.

On that note, why is it that the cults with rules are so fucking boring compared to the 8 or so with only a fluff piece. Any one of those 8 are more interesting than the rules subfactions combined.
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>>64589979
The big dick energy solution. Well done.
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>>64589985

This. I want to see Rough Riders make a comeback.
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>>64590011
Brevity is the soul of wit
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>>64589979
Thats great.
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>>64590017
The top winning list at the LVO had a unit of roughriders
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>>64589853
Yes and no.
While fallen are a bit more tanky.
(a squad of fallen can take 54 bolters vs 34 bolters to kill a squad of sisters.)

They cost twice the points too run and don't do the same job.
Sisters/assassins used in the right way can shut down a tsons army as they block smite.
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>>64589979
should have raped him
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>>64589801
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>>64589128

For anybody curious. We are just starting turn 4. I've not lost any units yet and my opponent had lost the majority of his army. Feeling like the imperium has the win here.

It's a store team campaign.
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>>64586556
basically you become an ICP fan
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>>64590011
>Even Rusted Claw leaves them behind.

Probably my least favorite cult, they're completely contradictory. Their belief centers around self-reliance over utilizing technology, they have a tendency to be infested with a metallophagic Tyranid microorganism, yet they're the creed with a bonus for the bikers.
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>>64590052
Truly, they yiffed in hell.
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>>64590045
yeah I figured the block psykers part was have the point
damn it I just really want to find decent place to slot some fallen into an imperial list
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>>64590052

That terrain placement tho.
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>>64590052
Jesus christ where is the terrain
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*blocks your path*
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>>64590052
Those missions are always a blowout if it's even points
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>>64590120
>no 5++
>no FNP

You arent blocking anyones path
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>>64589783
The people running it need to recognize these people are making all the other customers feel unwelcome, at the McDonald's I work at we have a term for this kind of person "negative customer" a person who disrupts the other customers to the point of actually harming profits by their patronage.
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>>64590052

Which utter mongoloid put the terrain on the edges of the table instead of forming a big LoS blocking piece in the middle? This game looks so unfair that its laughable.
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>>64590124
Not that Anon but yeah I've noticed these vigilus missions kind of suck. Everyone at my store feels the same.
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>>64590120

*Blows you up while costing half your points*
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>>64589867
I have a hard time imagining he wasnt overweight.
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>>64590120
I miss the ferrum infernus rules
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>>64590052
You call that terrain? THIS is terrain!
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>>64589839
My response would be to grab his deck and threaten to start ripping cards, fuck being the better man, those cards are less then a dollar worth of ink and paper, and a single model can be... well we know the price.... what did you lose?
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>>64590060
Bladed Cog should have been able to take Ad Mech brood brothers.
Innerwyrm should have gotten a creed that makes them better with saws, maybe all melee weapons.
Behemoid Cult should have gotten Preferred Enemy (Ultramarines), and a buff when they're near Old One Eye (or maybe any Carnifex)
Sons of Jormungandr should have gotten the same buff as Hivefleet Jormungandr.
Blessed Wormlings should have gotten something like Strength from Death lite.
Fuck, I could go on about how the best cults got shafted
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>>64590182
You'd be right, but let's be fair you had a decent shot of being right to saying that about anyone in the hobby.
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>>64590139
Well our GW has gone from a cool laid back place to a shill zone. Redshirt actually forbid anyone from saying anything negative about sigmar after someone asked why sigmar wasn't popular and was told it was because "40k has more of the attention of the regulars since there haven't been too many new releases lately".
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>>64590227
The key is to have at least one athletic hobby as well, I ride my bike all the time, while I'm not the peak of fitness it keeps me from hitting any nasty thresholds
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>>64590120
You are like little thinblood. Watch this.
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>>64590221
>Sons of Jormungandr should have gotten the same buff as Hivefleet Jormungandr
That wouldn't do anything. GSC aren't really a gun line army.
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>>64590097
>>64590113

This was the terrain placement
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>>64590245
Weightlifting for me.
This is now an athletic hobby thread
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>>64590200

I love that fortress anon. It brings back happy memories of reading white dwarf battle reports and seeing all the scratch built terrain they used to make.
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>>64590251
It's not the most competitive, but it's a different way to play, and it'd be fun
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>>64590261
GW sells that
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>>64590239
That's a pity because the negative attention AoS got is probably why it was salvaged, I have an understanding that the employees at my GW have things they'd like to say but can't due to company policy, they have to put a positive spin on everything but every now and then I can see past the curtain so to speak
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>>64590258
I used to walk everywhere, but since my knee got fuck up I can’t do it anymore
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>>64590171
The problem is that there's no actual logistics; you can bring literally anything and nothing is comitted or tied up elsewhere. There needs to be be certain rule and restrictions on slots and not being able to take the same non unit troops back to back etc.
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The internet is giving me mixed views.
What base size is a regular seeker chariot of Slaanesh?

Is it the big one which the exalted chariot uses as well?
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>>64590279
The shitty part was the dude wasn't being negative at all, just saying how things were. He actually loves sigmar, just everyone else is way too busy playing 40k these days.
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>>64590279
not wanting people to shit talk one of the games they are selling isnt unfair. i doubt gamestop employees would last very long if they were honest about the company.
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Opinions on dreadnought loadouts? Is there any reason to run a single claw when they cant move and shoot efficiently?
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>>64590254

>zero barricades or other scatter to provide cover saves
>Huge as fuck Gap for tanks
>Almost zero LoS in the middle
>No ways for assault armies to move up without being in LoS.

Turn 1, the DeathGuard has to literally move everything out of cover to do anything. Theres no reason to have LoS in a deployment zone , it needs to be further out.
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>>64590302
You misunderstand my story. The guy wasn't being negative at all. Someone asked why more people didn't play sigmar and was told it's because everyone at the store focuses on 40k more because its where most of the releases are.
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>>64590302
>i doubt gamestop employees would last very long if they were honest about the company
That corporate culture makes GW seems reasonable at times.
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>>64590314

The better dreadnought loadouts are generally either full shooting (Las + Missile) or melee. Theres zero reason to try to jack of all trades them.
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>>64590258
I do indoor soccer, and I run.
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>>64590314

A list with ten dreadnoughts should have about five fully ranged dreads, two dedicated melee dreads and three mixed dreads.
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>>64586502
> ascended juggernaut

glorious
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>>64590254

There should be 2-3 large pieces of LoS blocking stuff in the middle of the table to stop things like Leman Russ from dominating the game.
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>>64590314
>Opinions on dreadnought loadouts? Is there any reason to run a single claw when they cant move and shoot efficiently?
Only one I'd run as a mix-and-match is an Ironclad with a Hurricane Bolter for 12 shots.
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>>64590207
A carnifex I was working on bulking up to be a more threatening OOE, his trygons scytal arms snapped in three places, both legs broke and the doubled up carapice I was green stuffing popped off and flew to God knows where, still haven't found it like 6 months later
I managed to fix him up for the most part and run him as a beefy, battle damaged carnifex alpha for my squad of stone crushers while I work on a new OOE
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>>64590337

>Las and missile

Meme dread, never take. Not because it’s necessarily inherently bad, but because a quad las will serve you better than one inefficiently only using three of it’s four ranged slots every damn time.

If you don’t want to go Mortis or Contemptor Mortis, make your second arm a twin autocannon.
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>>64590254
Something about the blue on those yiffs makes them look like they'd taste sweet, I wanna lick them
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>>64590074
I mean they are great as a cheap source of combi-plama.
Prob is that vets got so much better with CA.

Also, they don't benefit from the bolter beta rules due to the lack of the correct keywords.

Feels bad man.
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>>64590321
Gamestop needs to die, the managers deliberately make employees trick customers and then throw them under a bus when customers come back with complaints
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>>64590345

Of course the mixed dreads should only take machine guns, bear in mind. You’ll need the extra anti-infantry fire and you’ll lose less for moving and shooting than if you took a low volume of fire gun.
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>>64590258
I like to cycle but I also like to put it off to work on models.
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>>64590314
If your death guard you could do a mixed purpose dread, but then you're using a dread.
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>>64590250
are those third party bits or you convert it
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>>64590414
It's someone else's model but I don't see third party parts.
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>>64590383
They don't?
Why not aren't they using bolter weapons and are marines?
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>4 weeks of shipping and my warham package still isn't here yet
I'm gonna say the fucking N word
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>>64590492
Necron
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>>64590492
Nottingham?
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>>64590492
Night lords?
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>>64590492
Ginger?
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>>64590492

Night lords?
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Gib new thread
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>>64590376
The tanks do look kinda taffy blue.
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>>64590504
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>>64590525
*ahem*

NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGMARRRRRR
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>>64590314
There's no reason to give it a second claw, since it (as all models do) always has a base close combat weapon alongside its profile weapon
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>>64590588
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>>64590492
>I'm gonna say the fucking N word

Don't. We're better than that.
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>>64590455
No, they have the keyword imperium,chaos,fallen.

To use the bolter beta rule you must have the Heretic or Adeptus Astartes keyword.

Yes... it is in fact dumb.
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>>64590779
Necrons!



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