What are some old /tg/-isms you'd like to see again in all of their glory?Pic vaguely related
>>64553214Unironically the best part of /tg/.
>>64553214>>64554008>>64554409I just wish the mods would just ban you guys from this board so we wouldn't have all the Fake /wst/ still around.For fuck's sake, just stay in /d/, and quit shitting up this board with your inability to figure out that just because something makes your dick hard doesn't mean it's a good idea to make it the centerpiece of your imaginary game you're never going to play because no one would ever play with dumb creepy fucks like you.
>>64554488>blah blah blahshut up faggotnice triple dubs btw
>>64553214Those were good times.
>>64552421I liked when we used to have writefags just dump cool stories in their own threads instead of having to have a dedicated fucking general to writefagging. It often lead to spin offs and talking about implementing the stories in a game instead of the writefagging being confined to a sterile environment.I liked when things could get a little lewd without someone screeching about magical realm, but outright pornography was still avoided.I liked when you could start a thread about a particular question and have it answered instead of being directed to a fucking cancerous general thread as if this is some kind of forum.I liked when we had fun
>>64555888All of this. Pic related.>>64554488You, on the other hand, are a no-fun-allowed faggot and should go shit up rpg.net where the rest of the normalfags go to not be offended by things that are "creepy" and "problematic."
>>64555888I'm with you anon, but lets get real when's the last time you remember seeing an independent writefag thread?How do we even bring them back, just tell people to do it? Be the content creation you want to see?
>>64556125Its worth a shot. But the board feels choked right now with all the generals. Threads without a baiting OP or specific purpose tend to just fall away without much interest.Making more non-general threads is never a bad idea though.
>>64556291I'll be honest with you man, I've tried. Was even mildly successful for a while before I burned out too, but it's exhastings tbqh. It was about three years back, decided that I would foster content creation on tg, started writefagging. Thread got some traction too, we kept it going for a few months and a couple other (better than me) writefags joined in as well. Even had so of the OG writefags from back in the day show up and drop a bit. It was pretty great. Thing about it is the board moves pretty fast, so if you aren't there posting, writing, creating something every day then the thread dies. Even with a good group of anons supporting you and keeping the thread up, and even with others joining in if you don't keep pumping out content to breathe new life into the thread it dies. It's rather draining. The nature of the board just doesn't make it easy to keep up with and create here. Don't get me wrong it was an absolute blast,and there's nothing quite like the feeling of having anons like your shit considering how hard we can be to please, but it's hard. Honestly while I do believe that we should try to be the positive change we want to be in the board, I can't in good concious just tel people to go make threads. Too much if an investment and not likely to produce real results as far as improving the board goes. I mean take what I did for example. Yeah for a few months we had one thread kinda reminiscent of the good old days, but it didn't really change the board. Honestly I'm pretty sure no one remembers it. I could whip out my trip and no one would remember or care, and that's kind of depressing tbqh considering the effort that went in to it.Honestly I'd welcome someone yelling at me for not finishing like I said I would, at least it would mean someone remembered, but I doubt that would happen. Anyway, sorry for the rant, didn't mean to be a downer, just needed to get that off of my chest.
>>64556500You mentioned keeping the thread up a few times.With all due respect for your work, I think thats the wrong attitude. This is an imageboard after all. Generals, reoccuring threads, these are bugs in the code, aberrations, not the default.The good creativity of this site as a whole in part comes from the ephemeral nature of posting.There was something fun about seeing a story pop up and a few anons gathered around to talk about it, but it was gone the next day. You never knew what the next day would hold. Maybe it was nothing, maybe someone would dump something interesting, or anons would have a neat idea and there would be a thread about it, or maybe someone was dumping a cool comic or story, or maybe someone was spamming scat porn.This new era of generals just feels to sterile. Like towers propped up by sticks and ladders, and constant effort, fighting their collapse. I just hope that their collapse does prove as inevitable as that image makes it seem.
>>64556661But doesn't that just leave us with a bunch of there and gone partial stories and ideas that don't get finished or fleshed out and are quickly forgotten? I'd love to see more content created, but if none of it ever goes anywhere that's kind of depressing and pointless.
>>64556880Some are forgotten, others are screencapped and immortalized. Others spawn some spin off discussion.Caring about immortalizing your posts is to fight the natural order of this place. The act of creation is fun in itself.
>>64556661If you ask me, for tabletop games at least, generals will always exist, as groups of people who like thing, will want to get together to talk about thing. For specific series of video games or TV shows or something, they can reasonably die out because eventually, you'll run out of stuff to talk about. But tabletop games (and other hobbies) don't have that luxury. The amount of possible content is too massive that as long as people play the system, people are gonna make generals about it.
>>64556976From the perspective of the consumer if someone dropped something dope, but it wasnt finished, wouldn't you want to know how it ended or what came next? And while creation is fun, validation is also nice, furthermore if you are enjoying creating something and then the thread dies, wouldn't you want to continue since creation is fun? Follow up threads seem natural. I honestly can't say I understand your etherial ideal of content creation. I respect it, but I don't get it.
>>64556500>I mean take what I did for example. Yeah for a few months we had one thread kinda reminiscent of the good old days, but it didn't really change the board. Honestly I'm pretty sure no one remembers it. I could whip out my trip and no one would remember or care, and that's kind of depressing tbqh considering the effort that went in to it.So, you did something good, but it did nothing for you, so you quit.Well, I guess that's the reason why we can't have nice things...It seems to me, if you want something good, you have to make it yourself. If you need someone else to tell you it's good, well...I don't think you'll get very far.We do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, not because we like it or we'll win.If you like to like things or to win, then you have to join the crowd, anon....those are things that the crowd does.
>>64557105>I honestly can't say I understand your etherial ideal of content creationIf I read him right, he's saying you have to do what you do for its own sake, not for anyone else's. If the work is not good in and of itself, then everything else doesn't matter.
>>64557073I question how you think this place worked before generals became a thing. People made threads about a topic, and then they died. Then someone else came along and made a different thread.I repeat, Generals are an aberration. Invented by forumniggers to recreate what is essentially a foreign concept to the imageboard format.>>64557105If you want to finish something, you screencap it or save it, come back when its done and say "hey guys, if anyone remembers, I finished my thing" and post it. There doesn't need to be a thread up 24/7 for it. Getting constant feedback and updates is for blogs and forums.
>>64557185>essentially a foreign concept to the imageboard formatNo fun allowed. Gotcha.
>>64557185>There doesn't need to be a thread up 24/7 for it. But that is often how it was back in the day. I had writethreads that would stay up for eight days.
>>64557298I'd argue we had more fun before being surrounded by sterile towers of "5e discussion ONLY" and "40k lore discussion ONLY" but whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night forumfag>>64557333But they just stayed up, weren't remade. Thats the big difference. When things were slower, you could have a thread for a week or so as people added to or discussed something. The different lies in when that discussion is finally over, do they have conceit to make another to continue a wound down discussion? It happened occasionally, but it was never the norm.
>>64557127Anon I understand what you are trying to say and I respect it, but with that being said I feel you are being rather judgemental without having all of the facts. Forgive me if that's somewhat blunt of me to say.I did make what I did because I enjoyed doing it. I didn't give up because I wasn't enjoying it or because I wasn't getting enough validation. I had to stop because I didn't have time to work on it IRL. When i stopped it was always meant to be a hiatus rather than the end, because I honestly did enjoy writing it and wanted to finish. It was never about "winning" as you put it. That being said there was a community in those threads who I enjoyed interacting with. Humans are social creatures and interacting with people who enjoy the same things you do is pleasant. There's nothing wrong with enjoying having people enjoy what you've made. I could post again, I have worked on it on and off since then and I do have more content, because as I said I enjoy making it, but the point of putting what you've created out there, the reason you would post it or show it to people, is so you can derive enjoyment from having others appreciate what you've made. If you create purely for yourself you would have no reason to ever share it. The whole point of sharing something is that you want others to enjoy it too, or you want other to participate in the creative process.So while I could post, if the people I'd be posting it for aren't around to enjoy it, what's the point?
>>64557377You are assuming that the discussion would be over or winding down. What if it isn't? What if it's still going strong. Your assertion that it is an act of conceit to continue discussing a topic of interest or continue a creative process seems flawed. There's nothing wrong with having a followup thread.
When the politics of Warhammer were "Why are GW such money hunry jews" and not a shadow war between marxists and faux-facists.
>>64553214Nah, banning ERP Generals and Weekend Smut Threads was one of the few things the mods actually did right.
>>64554488You honestly believe that the people who posted in /wsg/ weren't able to keep that separate from the rest of their lives? Man, what a sad existence you must live, to think that everybody is defined completely by small parts of their life.
>>64555888Agreed, generals are a fucking cancer.
>>64559518A question that can be answered in one post doesn't deserve its own thread. Then you've just got a 2-post thread taking up catalog space. Generals (are supposed to) reduce instances of "how does AC work in this edition" being entire threads and also prevent there being ten different threads all talking about the same thing. Remember when the catalog was even MORE nothing-but-Warhammer-MTG-D&D-threads than it is now, to the point where you couldn't get the thread space for a CHESS thread because those three games got a thread a minute for whatever unimportant rules question someone was too dumb to grok from the actual rulebook?
>>64559626That is what a "Questions that Don't Deserve Their Own Thread" thread is meant for. Instead of confining all discussion about a system into one thread, just put all the stupid little 1-post-answer threads there. That way generals don't section off and choke out open-ended discussions or non system-specific topics, and tiny bullshit threads don't kill things off, either.
>>64559735>That is what a "Questions that Don't Deserve Their Own Thread" thread is meant for.So you want a general thread to be made so you don't have any general threads?
>>64559766I want one big general thread for tiny questions, not (as of my last count) 37 different generals.
>>64559626You can't get anyone to respond to chess thread now any more than you could then. Nobody wants to talk about chess.A 2 post thread doesn't take up any "space" on the board because it falls off the board the second a new thread is made as long as people aren't bumping it. Short threads for a specific purpose and are then discarded are completely fine. Not to mention the "how does AC" work dribbling retard should be told to fucking google it and called a fag.
What an interesting thread
>>64554488Not again, Stan
>>64552421I wish we could have Touhou threads more often and talk about Touhou tabletop games. Every time we have a Touhou thread it just becomes memes instead.
>>64560276Isn't the Touhou community something like 80% memes anyway?
>>64560343Yes, but there are three or four tabletop games as well as a few more board and card ones. It's annoying that very few people feel like talking about them or what to use for Gensokyo as a tabletop setting in whatever system they'd like to run instead.
Question kinda related to this thread topic. We can almost all agree that /tg/ now is not nearly as creative as it used to be. Mainly, this is because a lot of the writefags and drawfags left, and the board culture in general isn't really receptive to people trying to be creative. Anyhow, my question is this: is there no going back? Even if the board rules were reverted to, say, just before /wst/ was banned, would the creatives ever bother to come back?
>>64556125>How do we even bring them back, just tell people to do it?Stop shitting over them when they appear.
>>64552421Scenario dump threads
>>64560502Anon lets be real, even in this thread we saw an anon who outed themselves as having tried to be creative get low key shit on for having been creative in the wrong way, or for not being self actualized enough in their creativity. Even the people who claim to want more creative content will shit on the creative if they try and come back. Welcome to 4chan.
>>64560276>>64560389This is the first time I'm hearing it has four tabletop games. In general this shouldn't come as a surprise since anything can be a tabletop game. Are they official are you referring to community made games?
>>64560575Community made ones. As far as I know ZUN doesn't care much about tabletop games or RPGs.We have Touhou Danmaku Yuugi Flowers, Tales of Phantasmal Land and and Magnificent Youkai of Neofantasia, all of them fanmade.
>>64552421I miss quests. On /qst/ they aren't as fun because they take so long, meaning that trying to run one isn't something that can be done in an afternoon but a full-time commitment.
>>64560695They were a big clutter on the board and I was in favor of the /qst/ split at first, but honestly I miss them.
>>64560728My contention continues to be that while the split made sense beforehand, and the reasons were valid, in the end it just killed quests but didn't do anything for /tg/'s board quality. Which is unfortunate.
>>64560732What would even be left?
>>64560790Shitposting and copypasta.
>>64560732>Ban drawthreadsHoly fuck you're dumb. Remove one of the last vestiges of creative thought on /tg/? Really?>>64560763Yep, it was a bad idea in almost every way, and yet anons will still scream about how shit quests were from the middle of this stagnant pool of generals and shitposts.
>>64560763I never understoof what the fuss was about, I visited every day back then and never saw this "clutter" as any worse than all the MtG and 40k threads. But I used the catalog set to display newest thread instead of the front page which shows most recently bumped, so I guess that would make it seem worse, since you'd have to go past the most active threads and quests were always very active.
>>64560667Thanks, anon. I'm not a HUGE fan but I still like the esthetic of Touhou and I'm still very much intrigued by this. I'll be looking for these later when I got the chance.
>>64560817>MUH CRETIVITYYou mean the tieflings in bdsm gear? waifufags? Tumblr immigrants? No, it needs to go.
Jesus, fuck off, quest fags.Every. Fucking. Day.This is why you shitters were banned. You just can't shut up! /qst/ is right there, waiting for you, all set up to do quests nicely, and you faggots can't be arsed to use it.Shitheads. We give you your own thread and you can't stop complaining about it.
>>64560943NO FUN ALLOWED, amirite?
>>64554488>>64552421I want to "see again" the year 2009 by going back in time and not wasting the past 10 yearsAlso I guess /tg/ being /d/'s autistic brother is okay too, as long as it pisses off the nofun newfriend
>>64560434You can't, because people will, instead of accepting everything that comes, shit on every content that comes. The thing is, in the past the shitty and bad storytimes and quests were everywhere (I think I have 20 or so greentexts that can be summed as >playing 3.pf, party pissed me off so I killed or power tripped over them because I was a caster. And they weren't things we called bullshit or bad, but were actually reposted a lot in story threads and were pretty popular) but the good ones could survive. We're on the other end of it now where anything will be shat on, even if it's great or has a lot of potential, but this does stop anons from trying retarded things as well, so it becomes a pick your poison choice. Even if we went back, I doubt the same types of posters would return, /tg/ used to be normalfag in the sense most people were too innocent or unaware of how 4chan was, but now it's too normalfag because most posters are basic bitches with little understanding of the hobby, so I don't expect a lot of good content one anyway.>>64560937No problem, I'll dump the PDFs for them. Their quality is hit or miss but that's what we can work with.
>>64560434You can't, because people will, instead of accepting everything that comes, shit on every content that comes. The thing is, in the past the shitty and bad storytimes and quests were everywhere (I think I have 20 or so greentexts that can be summed as >playing 3.pf, party pissed me off so I killed or power tripped over them because I was a caster. And they weren't things we called bullshit or bad, but were actually reposted a lot in story threads and were pretty popular) but the good ones could survive. We're on the other end of it now where anything will be shat on, even if it's great or has a lot of potential, but this does stop anons from trying retarded things as well, so it becomes a pick your poison choice. Even if we went back, I doubt the same types of posters would return, /tg/ used to be normalfag in the sense most people were too innocent or unaware of how 4chan was, but now it's too normalfag because most posters are basic bitches with little understanding of the hobby, so I don't expect a lot of good content one anyway.>>64560937No problem, I'd dump the PDFs for them but 4chan is shitting itself even if one isn't that big so I'll just link instead. Their quality is hit or miss but that's what we can work with. dokumen.tips/documents/touhou-myon-rpg-0926.htmlwww.dropbox.com/s/gtbyu3dv4apnpn2/Tale_of_Phantasphal_Land.pdf?dl=0www.mediafire.com/file/ti5wnh9xm7xh4t1/%5B%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9TRPG%5D+Danmaku+Yuugi+-flowers-.pdf
>>64561165>>64561253Well, fuck my internet, I deserved this.
>>64560434Any sort of creative threads got bannedCulture is less of a problem than the rules and moderation
>>64560837It's literally really loud minority that somehow got into mod team
>>64561253Thanks again, anon.I found the Danmaku Yuugi Flowers pdf, but I was having trouble with the others till you supplied them. Really interested in this, don't know it didn't occur to me before to search for this.Like I mentioned before, I do really like Touhou but I'm more of a casual fan, but I do know of a friend who's a huge fan of Touhou and would like this.Might be my ticket to finally get him to try out the Kancolle ttrpg in exchange
>>64561053>OP asks people what they miss>they answer, but it's a thing (You) don't like>get madHere, have something to really get mad about.
>>64561253Everything eventually gets wrecked by Rocky Horror Syndrome. Starts as good "bad movie" spontaneous comments made it funnier. Fun & creative aspect quickly replaced with 1) here is your script of comments to shout or 2) assholes who completely miss the point and just scream obscenities at the screen.I think /tg could be helped with some self- monitored politeness. People on /b jump to personal insults at a drop of a hat and you see this culture coming to /tg. When ever I see people ask for comments on actual attempts at creativity I try to be positive about it even if I personally don't find it that great. It is possible to criticize something without immediately going into "rip" mode
>>64561584Old /tg/ was a lot like old /b/. New /tg/ is a lot like new /b/.
>>64561572I'm a pretty big fan, so hope your friend is not a sperg. They have a few inaccuracies or fandom stuff that can be hard to look past, but we ignored them mostly, so I hope he does too.>>64561584While it is true people are too hostile, I think the opposite is more dangerous, many anons who create content are lacking self-awareness too and you can't be too welcoming with those. I see many people trying to homebrew or fix certain issues with systems or roleplaying and you quickly notice they only played D&D or worse, only 5e. You'd want those people to lurk and at least realise what they actually know before attempting to create and sometimes the only way is pointing out they are acting like a retarded faggot without realising it.
>>64561606Everything seems to be like new /b/.
>>64552421I miss the old draw threads and quests of old. I always held a pretty neutral stance to quests in particular while they were around. God knows there was some terrible fucking quests but people seemed to enjoy them. I felt as though the board was a generally happier, lighter place with all of that creativity. Maybe I'm just being some nostalgic faggot, but everyone seems too angry nowadays without any light-heartedness to balance it out.
>>64562266/tg/ has always liked getting pissy about little things, but there was definitely an air of "we know this doesn't matter but it's fun to bitch about" that feels like it's gone away.
>>64561253Oh wow this is neat, I've played Danmaku Yuugi Flowers before, but I didn't know there were more RPGs.
>>64562266having fun is apparently 'cringe' now.
>>64563946I want the normalfags to return to leddit so we can glory in our goofy, autistic weirdness again.
>>64552421"/tg/ gets shit done."
>>64563946>CringeI feel like an old person when I read this. Is this how the people in the 70s felt about the slang used in the 2000s?>>64560728Honestly I never really understood the clutter argument. Back in the day I used to count how many quests would be on the board and on average the number was somewhere around 9 to 15. At max it would go up to 19 on weekends and usually when most of the western world was asleep making /tg/ slower then normal. Which honestly isn't nothing compared to warhammer having 10+ threads on random things.
>>64552421Collective setting creation threads, for one. It was fun discussing and exploring the nooks and crannies of new settings, finding ways to reconcile lore points, and then finding writefags writing from the perspective of the setting's inhabitants.Nowadays it's real hard to do this without an overwhelming flood of /b/ or /pol/ related bait posts that do not contribute, and oftentimes it's the same old shitpost or pasta. Why can't they realize the day 4chan is homogenously shit, is the day 4chan dies?
>>64559490>You honestly believe that the people who posted in /wsg/ weren't able to keep that separate from the rest of their lives?You mean the people that come to the safe-for-work role playing game board to post erotica and lewd content instead of the many already existing pornography boards?There's more evidence they lack the ability than evidence they do, you dumb nigger.
>>64556038>every thread should be about what makes my little wee wee hard
>>64565612>safe-for-work role playing game boardm8It's 4chan(nel). Cheesecake is part of the culture. Get the stick out of your rump.
>>64565612>doesn't understand the difference between "lewd' and "pornographic">doesn't understand that text is always SFW according to the modsLook at this butthurt newfag. Notice he doesn't put any space between the quote and his response, I bet it's cause he's petrified that people will call him "reddit."
>>64565612This. Just look at >>64556038>>64561076If they aren’t able to flood the board lewd shitposting and waifufaffing it’s “no fun allowed” and the “death of creativity”
>>64564547/tg/ never got shit done. "/tg/ gets shit done," was a self-congratulation handed out primarily when a thread figured out something entirely meaningless but amusing, like how many spiders can fight in a vagina; actual /tg/ output was sparse, incomplete, and usually brief, needing extensive off-site work to be functional. It has never really been any different than other media related boards with about 100 "idea guys" for every content creator.
>>64552421I miss people responding to OC with more OC. Like, "hey I enjoy the thing you drew/wrote. Here's a thing I drew/wrote because you inspired me."It seems like the only thing I've seen outside of basic additions to worldbuilding threads (and those are usually because they tickle someone's fetish) is plain and simple "moar" and "bumping for content"No doubt this shift is helped by the perpetuation of "cringe culture," which encourages people to hide their OC unless it's at least low-end commission tier. And the advent of artists actually being able to make money from online art by making it elsewhere, which is unfortunate for the board but overall good for the artists.>>64553214FPBP>>64560572Desu I like to try to give a compliment per criticism on art and fic - if I have something bad to say, I try to find something good as well (not vice versa). Don't know if it helps, but I think it'd feel nice if people did that when I make stuff.>>64560434What is done cannot be undone. We can't revert it, only hope and try to move forward in a positive way. Make things yourself, encourage new creators, hide and ignore trolls. Maybe even make some 1d4chan articles. Bright Penny was a fun few threads. Low-effort posts are easy and attractive in the faster times of the present, but try to avoid taking the easy road if you don't have to.>>64560695Plus, you get people jumping in and out because the quests are happened upon rather than sought out.>>64560732>teegee becomes "Excuse me commissar: the board"I don't think /lit/ would do very well. I like the generals suggestion, but worry its a monkey's paw wish like >>64560728 encountered with quests.>>64560817I can see why he'd be disdainful of the drawthread. The requests are usually very complicated and demanding compared to, say, /v/ or /vp/. As such, deliveries are very rare, which... really sucks for a drawthread. But removing it altogether is bad.
>>64565989Meaningless but amusing is fun, though.
>>64566178>miss people responding to OC with more OC. Like, "hey I enjoy the thing you drew/wrote. Here's a thing I drew/wrote because you inspired me."Maybe I'm weird or this is just my newfag showing but I don't think I've ever seen this outside of threads where OP specifically requests it. I haven't been here long but the fact that I've never seen that and never knew that's how it used to be is a little fucked and says something about the board.>The requests are usually very complicated and demandingThe way the drawthread op is written seems to encourage that though. How receptive would drawfags be to asking for simple small little things instead of the usual?
>>64565541We've had at least one of those a month for quite some months
>>64568831>I don't think I've ever seen this outside of threads where OP specifically requests it.Might just be nostalgia goggles for me, then. They weren't common, but they showed up from time to time. Almost never see a thread with multiple these days, everyone just waits on another delivery from the same guy.>How receptive would drawfags be to asking for simple small little things instead of the usual?Hard to tell. /vp/ gets a good number of deliveries, in large part because the subject matter is very familiar and requests are usually simple ("this but with a Serperior", "Charizard getting a backrub", "Ash playing slots").Obviously, character art will never be simple, but while I'm loathe to suggest yet another general, a split between character art and generic requests might be a productive idea.
>>64552421Quests were fun.I'd like to see them back on /tg/.
>>64568911Yeah, I've seen them, and most either fell prey to the shitposts, or died before 100 posts.It's sad, man. Where are the creative minds behind Shattered Suns? Inheritance? Those fake wargames that we treated as real?
>>64560695>I miss quests. On /qst/ they aren't as fun because they take so long, meaning that trying to run one isn't something that can be done in an afternoon but a full-time commitment.This is the worst part. On /tg/ a quest would get five replies in five minutes, but on /qst/ it's lucky to get one reply per hour.
>>64569658I would like a mixed aproach, like you could start a quest here but then you would have to go to quest to continue them. Also being able to do fetchs and stuff there.
>>64569658I was so tired of quest threads and 40k bogging down the whole board and just push out any other thread that was slow to start. What I didn't realize was that when moving them out they took a of content creators with them, and the board has felt like summer all year around since.Anyone have a recommendation for a nice series to look up in the archives?
The biggest problem with /tg/ is than its too fast to make anything, unless you have a bunch of autist posting in the thread non stop (and those are normally bait posts) even cool ideas will die.
>>64560837>I never understoof what the fuss was about, I visited every day back then and never saw this "clutter" as any worse than all the MtG and 40k threads.It's literally just "someone who hated quests became a mod and banned quests".>>64569740It would be nice if /tg/ was allowed to have a Quest Thread General where people could post links to their threads on /qst/.As it is, "ALL QUESTS ARE BANNED ON /tg/" isn't a very inviting sticky and doesn't do much to help the board's population.
If qst can't survive on its own then maybe they didn't need to be around in the first place
Also my major grip with quest were the ones than didn't belong there, like the dozen anime harem ones etc. It was getting silly, and between 40k and the rest of quest you couldn't post about anything else, its one of the reason generals were made. Also its a fucking shame because you normally can only talk about rpgs in the generals, seems /tg/ nowdays has a 2/3 of people than never played in a table at all.
>>64569808>if /tg/ stuff can't survive outside of /tg/, it should be banned on /tg/Makes sense.>>64569815Most of the harem shit appeared after moot decided that all the /a/ quests should be moved to /tg/ instead of remaining on /a/.
>>64569954It's not a traditional game, it's collaborative writing
It occurs to me: would an MLP quest go to /mlp/, where all pony threads go regardless of format, or /qst/, where all quests go regardless of subject?>>64569981The ones with rolls are indistinguishable from a (usually) rules-light tg.>>64569815I didn't see much of that personally, but yeah, moving all the quests to /tg/ was a poor decision. Different board cultures means entirely avoidable hostility and confusion.Pic unrelated, I just like posting neat things.
>>64570076There are numerous ongoing quests on /mlp/ because the pastel ban overrides all other rules.
tiny veiled lewd RP threads
>>64570118We have them and even generals of that stuff, and they are as shit as ever. IF anythign it expose than "lewd" stuff is the most boring shit because they never make anything of worth.
>>64556500Where you the one that did the quake guy in WH40k?
Every now and again I'll spend a few days watching page 9 and chipping in on good threads. You'd be surprised how long you can juggle a stranger's thread asking for advice on folk horror or similarly niche topics.
>>64556125Posted a bit of one of my setting documents in a thread here once and got nothing but shit for it. Not helpful, constructive shit but a set of replies that amounted to "this bad". I can see why they've fucking left, to be honest.If you confine writefagging to a general and make it a good general, it might at least branch out into more threads. The problem is that the default attitude to people actually talking about their settings is to ree at them rather than providing helpful criticism.
>>64572923Occasionally just giving some minor, niche thread, that is not an attempt at shitposting and fapbait, some small bump is the least you can contribute to this board. Sometimes it just needs one small question or answer to make more anons join in.And then someone bumps the shitposting thread that was just on page 10 and about to die
>>64573425>spoiler There are specific days when some asshole does all of them.
>>64573425Some days I do that to all the non-shitty threads to see a thread die.
>>64565612>4ch>safe-for-workwhere the fuck do you work anon
>>64561584>jump to personal insults at a drop of a hatnigger
>>64555888Can anyone explain? I understand people starting a thread to talk about what happened in their game but what does anon mean by general writefagggotry?
>>64573826Sometimes people would just write about cool shit in their setting or stuff like that. It still happens sometimes, just rarely.
>>64553214Very much this.
>>64559518>Talk about homebrew in /5eg/>JUST REFLUFF IT LOL>Talk about homebrew in dedicated homebrew thread>Oh wow that's really cool, thanks for posting thatYou're absolutely correct, and I think we can agree, whether we like DND hate DND or are indifferent that /5eg/ is absolutely the worst general on this board.
>>64574389Seeing as you are trying to homebrew for 5e, you absolutely deserve to be stuck with them.
>>64572923You're a good egg.
The lighthouse threads from a year or two oh god maybe more ago stand out in recent memory as being the kind of good original shit that made me want to come here. Somebody dropped a cool setting idea, someone else dumping pictures, people chiming in with ideas or snippets of stories or whatever. I don't even really have a point with this, just that it was nice and I'd like to see more threads like that and less threads about, say, bitching about MTG card art.
I miss when people used to actually play tabletops. Seems like /tg/ has become a lodge for people who once posted something interesting, but have done nothing but shitpost since.Mind you, it's always been wishy-washy.If we're wishing for things that would go away, I vote that creating a "how would x fare in y-setting" thread becomes a ban-worthy offense. That is plainly stupid and invites the lowest quality of posting.
>>64573826writing words. Stories ablut your game, about a friend's game, about a game that hasn't happened yet, about things in your srtting, things in someone else's setting, a whole new setting, etc etc. Stories. Writing. Lifeblood.
>>64574389Pathfinder and Monster girl general exist anon.
>>64576503What is monster girl thread even for anymore? I've never been there
in all honesty, I miss the angry marines threads, as well as the more funny 40k threads, closest I ame to seeing that was the crazy threads a few weeks ago about a border planet the green skin commisar the blonde thot and all the slanneshi cultists while one dude tried to "fix" slannesh with counceling.
>>64576566>What is monster girl thread even for anymore?It's like the non-quest threads that got moved to /qst/, except our mod likes it.
>>64576247This sort of thing is what used to drive Tg Things such Lenore, 8bit dystopia, hell more recently Swords of Avalon this kind of thread makes TG stand out.
>>64565435>Honestly I never really understood the clutter argumentThis. You can go back through the archives on 4plebs and fireden and see that quests were no more common than actual shitpost threads are now. One guy made the decision to create /qst/ without talking to the other staff beforehand.
>>64576721But there's a literal website for those who get hot and bothered by the idea of their favorite NPC someone else's favorite NPC: vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/VS_Battles_Wiki
I'm so sick of generals. Why does every board have eight of them now? I fucking moved to /trash/ to avoid generals and it became the general board in under a few months.
>>64576859>pile of original settings made in house You're a special sort of stupid arent you. None of those were vs. Threads in the slightest or how X fairs in Y. They were settings TG has made over the years.
>>64576863Do they still have that PAR thing there?
>>64576954I think it's on hiatus again, as far as I know they're waiting for more posters so maybe get in on the next thread.
>>64556500Something should be removed and given it's own board. But I'm not sure what.
I miss the dev threads.I miss being able to talk about animal people without it devolving into furthirst.I miss being about to talk about horror without people dragging in the most barebones scare shit.I miss the drawfag threads
>>64577043>Something should be removed and given it's own board/tg/'s mods?
>>64562107True but you can do this without calling them a retarded faggot straight out the door. Sometimes a little more constructive criticism or just something along the lines of "so what makes this system different enough that I would want to play this rather than the d20 I'm already playing?" Sometimes a little nudge gets a general conversation going that brings in other people. Look at the docs page when they have the design general. In my opinion half the things listed are just slight variant's of other systems and nothing special overall. But if you look many of the them have at least a gem or two buried in the same old same old. If you want good threads instead of the creativity scurrying away to discords or leaving completely, its better to not start with the outright slam.
>>64577247I feel like a lot fewer people are being called retarded faggots nowadays, and the mood is still worse than ever.Oh wait, it's because of all the stupid political shit and actually mean-spirited comments replacing the old jocular attitude on here. /tg/ was always contrarian, but there was a time where you were allowed to think things were cool - now it's just a race to the bottom of a bottomless pit of cynicism and negativity.
>>64576859The main thing there is the How would X do in your setting does at least get a discussion going about the metaphysics and the likes when anons have to describe how the Outside context problem would fair. Which to me is much more interesting then another pun on how Khorne can be pronounced corn or whatever or how Magic the gathering is a terrible game but they'll still buy 1500 dollars worth of packs anyway.>>64573826Back in the day people on /tg/ was fairly known for writing out fantasy and science fiction stories for fun and to help fluff things out.>>64569815>Also my major grip with quest were the ones than didn't belong there, like the dozen anime harem ones etc.It's really kind of sad when you look back and realize how long ago it was when people here talked about the Maid RPG or the original maid quest. It's almost like people these days don't even want to try other genres of writing.
>>64576247>I miss when people used to actually play tabletops. Seems like /tg/ has become a lodge for people who once posted something interesting, but have done nothing but shitpost since.yeah i haven't actually plyed in a decade desu >>64569789well, generals should be pegged so they never fade out desu that way other threads stand a chance We just need more boards in general >D&D>WH (Games Workshop)>TG Retro
>>64577507>tg/ was always contrarian, but there was a time where you were allowed to think things were cool - now it's just a race to the bottom of a bottomless pit of cynicism and negativity.Remember, making things is cringe, and liking things is soi.
>>64577507Hard to insult people ironically when there are folks who need to an hero so badly.
>>64577507/tg/ was one of the least contrarian boards. The problem was that it was far too welcoming in the past, you could get away with posting anything and have people with shit taste showing up and sucking your dick. Now it's closer to a weird mix of /v/ and /b/'s contrarianisms.
>>64577071/tg/ has mods???
>>64577947You jest but that seems to be the common opinion on 4ch
>>64577947I agree, I've been here on and off for years, and it's godawful how many people are ready to jump down your throat the second you post, nomatter how inoffensive or fun. It was not always like this.
>>64553214Go back to /d/ fag
>>64555888Lewds are fine when they're not sad/cringe or shitting up threads that weren't already lewd. For a while there was just too many lewd threads. Now it seems like an overreaction because the majority are worried this board could become more like /b/ or /r/.The other problem is that lewd players are generally unwelcome at tables that aren't running lewd games. Or they're so socially retarded they don't understand they need to ease off on their magical realm because its ruining the experience for everyone else.
>>64556500I think most of the writefags have left because they realized their work is just going to be plagiarized so there's no point in sharing unless its shit.
>>64578395This was a problem with nerds as a whole. We allowed anyone into the hobby because we knew what it was like to be unwanted and ostracized. But then nofun assholes came in because they weren't wanted elsewhere, and they brought their shitty opinions with them and too many nerds are too socially awkward to tell them to fuck off.
>>64584409This was a problem with nerds as a whole. We allowed anyone into the hobby because we knew what it was like to be unwanted and ostracized. But then furries, scalies, otherkin and all the other assholes came in because they weren't wanted elsewhere, and they brought their shitty opinions with them and too many nerds are too socially awkward to tell them to fuck off.
>>64584409>>64585990It's funny how you imagine you're OG nerds. Even on old /tg/ it was all johnny come latelies.
>>64587692Still has more quality than the majority of current /tg/ posters tho.
>>64588447For sure. I'm just not sure it can be attributed to new and wannabe players.
>>64569707That board should be nuked
>>64576647>I miss the more funny 40K threadsThen you must fight, and make the change you want. Go forth, anon, and make a funny 40K thread
>>64577507>but there was a time where you were allowed to think things were coolI miss that. It led to people making things. Great things, ridiculous things, stupid things, shitty things, quality varied a lot but people tried instead of>look at the autism>caring this much>not hiding behind 12 layers of meta-irony
>>64587692Every older generation is backward grogs and every newer generation is retarded kids. That hasn't changed at least in the last few millennia.
>>64589796Truthfully I don't dislike new players, and when I first came here (09-11ish) I started to think more highly of the kids starting with 4e. Even gave it a second shot myself. I don't think new blood is necessarily the problem with /tg/ these days.
>>64560434>muh creativesThere's nothing stopping writefags from posting topical writefaggotry in the appropriate /tg/ related threads. Nothing. Just because your off topic general got banned doesn't mean you can'y post writing in threads. it just means you have to be topical.Generic writing threads belong on /ic/. Nobody will be mad if you post some 40k story you wrote in a 40k thread. Stop pretending to be persecuted.Questfags stay gone, you spammed the board to death.
>>64577507>>64589761I've actually grown less hostile to furries as of late, I've found, because of this. Still wish they wouldn't try to be so omnipresent, but it's refreshing to see people who take such passion in their hobby on this site. They're now probably my favorites of the groups I despise here, which is mildly uncomfortable.
>>64590318What are some cool OCs you've made, anon?
>>64589942I think that the problem is that not only does the new blood think that all of 4chan is /b/, but what >>64589761 brought up as well. Just two bad things synergizing to form one awful whole.
>>64590334They have only increased me hate of them, they have destroyed beast races and the majority of humanoid threads, they don't get a clue and spam they shit even when you tell them politely to stop. If the fucking mods did they job...
>>64577906>generals should be pegged so they never fade out Holy fuck that's actually genius
>>64590450It's really notat best you would have even more threads than don't have anything to do with table top games, or at most tangentiall. Lots of people than come here don't really play anything.
>>64590450I also want this board to be filled with 17 5e threads, 13 warhammer and 8 MtG ones 24/7. You have no idea how much harder it is for smaller threads and niche systems to survive without those generals.
>>64570604No, that wasn't me.
>>64590450Sure, who would not love another cancer thread like the not even hiding its a vore thread, giantism anime girl thread, fluffu angerl thread, bait pol threads or smug anime girls thread.
The lack of general threads>tfw everyday you see the board you love getting more and more choked by cancer
>>64594492You can't do anything really, the faggot mod got his way and the fetish posters will not stop making they generals.
>>64594520fetish posting is fine, generals are just cancer aids fetish or not
>>64594626It's not, we have dozens of boards for that , only one to talk about table top stuff. It isn't even fun in any way, the same old pics, barely anything talked, the same conversation and "lewd", "rape" "unf" coments, if it was one thread to contain all that shit...
>>64594672anon if you think /tg/'s kinky talk is 'same old' you don't know shit
>>64594672>if it was one thread to contain all that shit...We even tried to contain it in one thread on the weekends, didn't work.
>>64594672>if it was one thread to contain all that shit...We sort of had that once, if you squinted: >>64553214 It wasn't terribly successful as a containment thread (not that that was its purpose) because there's always those autists who can't take a hint and not enough mods to handle them, but it was an outlet for the less-spergified horny nerds to gather around without bothering the rest of the board, at least until trolls bombed the shit out of it to the point the mods eventually gave up and ended it.
>>64594786Pfft, there is nothing interesting or worthwhile, not even funny like the time of the spiders in a drow vagina of ten years ago, at least that had some inspiration for the absurdity of the case and the novelty. It only cause apathy when they start posting the images, you know the thread will die a slow death while its bumped at most with some people asking sauce or shitposted.
Actual tabletop games. Fluff shit like "worldbuilding" and "How does [CHARACTER] fare in [UNIVERSE]" threads--general nerd stuff that isn't connected to game systems--needs to get >>>/out/.
>>64594916I love world building, but I really don't see the collaborative ones than were cool anymore.
>>64595080Something something be teh change
>>64597122I have too many threads up and alive to make another...
>>64594916Incorrect. Churning up the waters is what made old /tg/ so productive.
>>64600584Doesn't seem to be working now.
>>64600719Get rid of all non-global moderation on /tg/ and I guarantee within a year it will be producing one playable homebrew per month.
>>64600770Janys don't even enforce the basic ones. You seem to Want a bant 2, thats more or leas what we have now and its shit.
>>64569658Nah, quests should all go back to their boards of origin. They weren't bad when they were native endeavors, but when stuttering Anon-Kun Harem Quests and Seasonal Anime Quests started getting shunted here it was awful.
>>64601021This.Bumping because people should read this thread, at the very least
I kind of miss general threads. I know they still exist, but even the ones that do tend to be the same vaguely repeated argument starts, like guns in fantasy. Most actual questions or good ideas are usually abandoned quickly or just get ignored.I also miss whatever you called them, those threads were artists would draw their way through little stories based on anon's replies. I don't think they were technically quests, since quests were more story-focused, where these were mostly an excuse for art. I miss them because they seemed to get creative ideas going and could occasionally lead to good shit that lasted a few threads. Artists in general seem to do that.
>>64603597They fall under quests. /d/ had one of those going for a bit and the mods went and nuked it under that rule after letting it go for like two weeks. There was a lot of quality OC in that one, too.
>>64554488Nice trip dubs.>>64555888Nice dub trips.
>>64573826It still happens regularly, but you people would rather bitch about how "no one does it anymore" than, you know, post in those threads and keep them alive.
>>64604117Meant for >>64574039
>>64574039>>64604117About that, >>64600451
>>64555888All of this makes sense to me - so here's the critical question, why have things changed? Why is writefaggotry confined to a general, why has all the balance gone wrt sexual content, why have generals been allowed to spin out of control?I can answer that last one, which is that 4chan is shy of creating new boards due to misteps taken in the past. Said missteps stem in turn from misgivings, which we can see around now. For instead, giving MLP its own board only made things infinitely worse, while /vr/ is basically unecessary, and /vg/ is bizarre to say the least. Looking at /tg/, the entire board was created for the sake of directing the Warhammer Wednesday crowd away from /b/, and extended to include non-Warhammer stuff. This has worked for a time, but many generals have developed to absorb what would otherwise be outspilling content. /tg/ should be a place for all things tabletop and non-video game related, but specialised boards shoud also exist... for not-Warhammer. The problem is that Warhammer spreads too much and crowds out non-Warhammer, so create a seperate board that's just /tg/ but no Warhammer. This inverts the problem with previous board spinoffs into an advantage. You are still free to talk about any /tg/ related things on /tg/, AND you have a board free from Warhammer if /tg/ is currently really clogged up with chatter about AoS or whatever. New boards work best as shelters for multiple topics that may get crowded out by a current big noisy one such as Smash Bros, rather than as a containment prison or ghetto for one topic. Boards become crazy when there's only one topic allowed, and giving a topic it's one free space to expand into and dominate only makes things worse - this is how the cancer happens.
>>64605923>why have things changed?Contrary to what people in these threads often claim, it's got nothing to do with quests being banned or creative people leaving. Creative people are still around. We get plenty of threads where people share plot and world ideas, but other anons barely post in those threads, and they after just a few hours with maybe twenty responses at best. So of course creative people flock to generals, because that's the only place where their ideas can stay up for a significant amount of time. However, in those threads it's still uncommon for anyone to actually respond to or expand on a concept posted. Instead it's just anons posting snippets to no one in particular that get no attention from anyone.And all the while people have the gall to claim that creative people were chased off the board. And it's like, no, fuck you. You and your weird ass victim complex are the problem. All you do is swallow bait whole and bitch and moan about how no one is creative on /tg/ anymore while completely ignoring the creative posts that are made on a daily basis. If anything is driving creative people and quality posts away it's the fact that they don't ever get enough attention anymore. Meanwhile obvious bait and threads started with shitty questions like "how would [character from popular media] fare in 40K?" reach 300 posts with no effort at all.
>>64605923>/mlp/ is bad because it's a board for only one topic>we should have a board pretty much specifically for WarhammerI'm not really seeing why someone would make a non-WH thread on /whtg/ even if it's not against the rules when the non-WH board exists.I agree with your initial premise, though - overspecialized boards and related rules are part of the problem. /mlp/'s cancer is probably largely caused by GR15 (and the novelty of stereotype-breaking demographics wearing off after 8 years), because that made it so any pony-related idea has to be presented to an audience who's bronies first and possibly the actual topic second, if at all - a "let's make a pony ttrpg" thread will mostly only survive because it takes 16 hours to fall off the board rather than because it'll be frequently bumped by contributions from /tg/-type people.You see a similar thing with quests - non-/qst/ board culture isn't effective to pop up in /qst/ because it's less likely the audience will get it. Jokes about Steven Universe don't work as well as on /co/, less-mainstream anime stuff falls a bit flatter than it would on /a/, etc. And of course this was a problem initially started when all quests were thrown to /tg/; the new board just exacerbated it. That's not to say /qst/ can't have board culture, it just won't be as specific to the theme of each quest but rather to quests as a whole. Ironically, /mlp/ has some good examples of the opposite happening. Not only do dead quests die, but the active ones are inhabited by people who want to see ponies with quest being a vehicle for that topic, rather than people who want to play a quest with ponies being a topic of happenstance. As such, the QM can draw from board culture in plotline and minor jokes.>>64606139Aye, this too. Why put in hours of effort to get less response than what takes seconds? It's like complaints about vidya being generic instead of truly innovative - it sells consistently better! Support the content you want.
>>64606312>>we should have a board pretty much specifically for WarhammerCompletely misread what I wrote.
>>64606761>I'm not really seeing why someone would make a non-WH thread on /whtg/ even if it's not against the rules when the non-WH board exists.Is his point. If you make a board for not-WH then /tg/ ends up being for WH because all that other stuff moves there. After some time, posters have no incentive to move threads back to /tg/ so they continue to post there.And so, you've ended up making a containment board for WH.Your idea is good, but the example isn't good.(Not that guy)
>>64606831I can read his thread thank you. If he thought I was remoting advocating that we should have a board "pretty much specifically for Warhammer" then he can only have misread or misunderstood what I wrote. This is a good faith point, I'm saying that if he rereads he'll see how that isn't the case and answer his question for himself.
>>64606885>>64606761What am I missing? Unless you mean to make a separate board that's temporary for X time after a big WH release drops, then disappears when the flood of new stuff slows, people will trend towards "/tg/ is the Warhammer board, /notwh/ is the traditional games board".Consider /trash/ vs /d/ and /aco/. Sure, other topics aren't disallowed on /trash/, but most people don't consider it "the generic porn board that also has furry content," it's "the furry board that for some reason has a few non-furry generals"
>>64605923>All of this makes sense to me - so here's the critical question, why have things changed?In the past, posters on /tg/ were largely left to their own devices as long as they weren't breaking any global rules. After Hiro bought 4chan, he brought in a new staff of mods, who were motivated to become mods because they thought they knew what was best for "their" favorite boards.In reality, what happened was that the mods started pruning and banning the parts of "their" boards that they personally didn't like, even if those things weren't breaking any codified rules. Eventually they caused a lot of people who were making original things to stop posting. >Boards become crazy when there's only one topic allowedIndeed.
>>64607225Fuck no we have had better moderation and the board was good, now we have more bait, pol, low effort threads or fetish threads than generals and its what its killing the board. We have had unrestrained moderation (like the time they posted an entiere alfie chapter, guro threads, preggo, unbirth the guns in fantasy, ) those last years and its become cancer. It clearly has become more like /v/ or /a/ with the lax moderation, and meanwhile threads than aren't controversial but related to the board end dead.
>>64607225I think it's more than just /tg/ having bad mods. A board is like a lake with rivers flowing into it and out of it. If the fish in the lake started dying you wouldn't just blame the dam that got put on one of the rivers, you would look for bigger problems. Maybe someone is poisoning the water upstream, maybe theres a virus going around but all the healthy fish swam out of the lake, maybe there just isn’t enough food for the fish to eat. Either way a big problem usually has a big origin and a few threads getting nixed doesn't sound like a big enough origin to me
>>64607251>>64607822Moderation isn't so much bad as it is report driven, reluctant to hit OPs unless you report a lot, and a little delayed. If it matters to you, you can make it happen, but I don't personally have the time at all hours.
>>64607822>Either way a big problem usually has a big originThis is actually a really common logical fallacy and the reason even outlandish conspiracy theories appear compelling to a lot of people. The human brain simply has a hard time accepting that an extraordinary or large effect could have a mundane or small explanation.
>>64607100>people will trend towards "/tg/ is the Warhammer board, /notwh/ is the traditional games board"Not particularly true and irrelevent. What matters is moderation policy - you are free to make a topic where you want on any board that's appropriate for it.That said, the somewhat radical system I had in mind does line up with your suggestion about a temporary board. The board wouldn't be temporary, but rather the thread limit and post limit for the board would go up to accomodate refugees from currently enspammed boards and then go back down again organically. We're on the same wavelength here at least.>Consider /trash//trash/'s issue is simply that people are allowed to post there end of story. All threads on /trash/ should be migrated from other boards, it should be a quarantine. Independent of that, furries should be nuked. It's not like there aren't tolerable human beings with a mild animal-person thing, but furry communities are basically a hive of disease.
You know a thing you guys could do? Bump threads in the 9-10 page than are related to /tg/ and not a form of bait. I been doing that and some of the thread ended aceptable.
We have the kind of /tg/ the majority of people want. Look what kind of threads end being bumped and the ones than aren't.
>>64609339>you are free to make a topic where you want on any board that's appropriate for it.Unfortunately, I've caught a ban several times for making threads that the mod didn't consider board-related, even though they're the kinds of threads that were popular on /tg/ in past years. At this point I typically only post from my phone because I have no idea if I'm going to piss off a mod for making an RPG about squirrels or telephone linemen or something else that gets me banned because "all threads must be /tg/-related".
>>64610418The majority of people are faggots though. That's the cause of this thread.
>>64609964I do this. You do this. It helps to eke out a better experience on the board, but it would take a lot more of this (and people who can contribute better than content-light bumps) to bring the board as a whole back.
>>64610744Yeah but making content or discussion of things without memes is hard, posting bait, anime pic, fapbait etc will get more atention without any effort. It's no surprise the creators got the fuck out when you fresh oc gets ignored be badly drawn smut or pol bait than anyone from /a/, /v/ or whatever other shit board can post and get all the atention they shitposting minds can enjoy. Look, find any good thread right now than its up and it isn't a general.
>>64611932>find a good threadPersonally my pet threads aren't the ones where some creative entertains me, but the ones where a GM is asking for system recs or spitballing about scenarios. We do get a few of those most days. We've had multiple from some pirate/naval guy(s) and one or more anons looking to do something delta greenish. I've been busy so they haven't managed to go as long as I'd like.
I don't even play rpg and I mostly lurk here, but I wanted to say that I love you guys/tg/, /n/ & /out/ comfiest boards imho
>>64612532fairly sure you've just got stockholm syndrome.
>>64612532Oh anon, I expect you are fairly new to the site.
>>64612962>/b/ was never goodBut it was >fun (sort of at least). Now look at it, it's crawling with underage newfags spamming their shitty porn everywhere.
>>64613035Yeah, that sounds like the genuine '03-experience.
>>64613035>Now look at iteww no
>>64613035Change porn for badly drawn fetish art and you have /tg/.
>>64613035It was fun because we were underage and going through our edgy or randumb phases.
>>64553214Came here just to post that
>>64553214Ah, I miss NiceDaemonette. And all the rest.
Why don't we have a nswf /tg/ and a sfw tg with the old native quest of tg allowed? It would make everyone happy.
>>64615010We've never had a "sfw /tg/" -- the mods have always interpreted the blue boards to mean "no explicitly pornographic images" rather than "nothing whatsoever that might get you fired."
>>64615155Depends of the mod, we have had some based ones than erased wst for example.
>>64615155Ha haRemember when I got a three-day ban last month for posting a Frank Frazetta painting on /tg/ because worksafe blue board?Ha ha
>>64615191The last legit /wst/ got deleted and its poster banned for "spamming," actually. Which made it look like the mod in charge simply mistook it for one of the numerous fake /wst/s that plagued the board in those days. It was at that point that most everyone decided to give up and move to /d/ because the thread had been under constant troll assault for months, and it was time to give up.
>>64615277Are the shitposters we have of late the /d/ exilied crowd? Because if they are them they have destroyed /tg/, barely any thread outside the general to post than isn't weeb trash, polbait or not even hidden fetish thread.>>64615258Weeb trash and preggo fetish up but they delete frazeta? Who is the monkey with the delete button?
>>64615381>shitposters we have of late the /d/ exilied crowd?Nope, those are just your average members of /tg/ left now that most of the oldfags have been chased off
>>64615381>Weeb trash and preggo fetish up but they delete frazeta?Don't forget the incel copypasta that was up for 12+ hours yesterday while the mod selectively deleted bump posts but left the rest of the thread untouched.
>>64615381>Weeb trash and preggo fetish up but they delete Frazeta? Who is the monkey with the delete button?This is the /tg/ you chose anon, frazeta’s too lewd, but the weebs, fetish fags, and /pol/tards avoid posting naked girls so they’re a-okay!
>>64615492I really don't get the moderation there, they have moved some of my threads talking about fantasy books to /lit/, and an arms and weapons thread to /k/. I think they even moved the folklore threads to /his/. While we have great generals like monster girl or vore threads up. The jany simply hates this place or something.
>>64615628You're bluepilled so I'll have you know1. /tg/ jannies don't play TTRPGs nor do they care about tabletop or /tg/ culture2. Jannies and mods alike hate us
>>64615628As much as I hate to use the term slippery slope, this sort of thing right here is exactly why I was so strongly against the /wst/. Increased moderation with the goal of removing things that are lewd, but blue-board and /tg/ appropriate under the logic that they fit better on other boards can very quickly give way to removing other things that are also /tg/ related simply because a mod or janitor may consider them better suited for other boards. /tg/ was always at its best when it allows things as long as they were remotely /tg/ related regardless of how suitable they would be for other boards, blue or red
>>64615880>>64615628Why are people being reckless newfags in regards to lewd stuff on /tg/ lately
I only miss the memes really, /tg/ back then was pretty garbage with all the 40k threads, but at least it was a funny one. Oh, and Km giving thousands of graphics or books in metal stuff was pretty based.
>>64616246Looking back at it yeah, but man this board used to be really entertaining despite all the 40k stuff
>>64616320I think I hit my maximum enjoyement there at around 2012-2014, that was peak /tg/ for me.I think the people than idealize old /tg/ didn't have to deal with Virtualoptim, Jim profit, the bots, the trap invasion, the autists posting the same waifu thread day and day again, are elfs asians... They were young and not as bitter, also internet culture was a FUN place, lots of stuff was new and we didn't have to deal with "Triggered" and all that crap.
>>64616441>2012-2014That may be why I look back at the old times with such fondness, those were the years I joined the board if memory serves
I remember with the Wizards Guild threads still happened. Then some assfag banned them. Beyond everything else the pick and choose bothers me "Meanwhile, on demon hunter /tg/" is exactly the kind of shit mods kill other threads over but it stays up? and yes, I'm going to complain about CYOA's again. These are NOT /tg/ in anything but the most tangential sense and many of them are literally just pre-written quests by another name
>>64616825>I remember with the Wizards Guild threads still happened. Then some assfag banned them. Silly newfag, they weren't banned~They were just permanently moved to /qst/ where interest immediately waned and a formerly popular thread died within a month of arrival
>>64561253Didn't think my usual group would want to play Danmaku of Yuugi Flowers when I first read it so might give the others a try or at least use them as inspiration for an easier-to-digest homebrew.Thanks bud.
>>64605923>separating Warhammer>boards become crazy when there's only one topic allowedSo, my suggestion to counteract this would be a /tcg/ (trading/traditional card game) board and then /tg/. MTG no longer clogs up the board with 3+ threads at any given time, /vp/ gets something of an off-board outlet for discussing PTCG; Yugioh, Duel Masters, etc. will finally get some run-time in excess of an hour, should their respective threads not be bumped for that long.In return, /tg/ has a cleaner space for general tabletop talk and the board should actually move slower, allowing people around here to discuss things such as what terrains they recently made/painted without fear of the thread expiring in an hour because most people that have that sort of interest generally, as a rule of thumb, do not post as often because they are spending time hobby-crafting in their downtime.Of course, there's still some odd generals, like /cyoag/. The "how would mages fare in WoD", art threads, and "stat me" kinds of threads will probably not be going away either, even though they don't really offer anything aside from fetishist number-crunching to people who like are into transcribing character stats. But I honestly can't think of another board outside of /tg/ that would tolerate any of those kinds of topics; they'd either be moved to /trash/ or deleted. Well, /cyoag/ could live on /qst/ and the drawfriends could relocate to /ic/, but the others are definitely fucked.Seems like the biggest problem would be separating card games from tg, as that wouldn't really make contextual sense and would doubtlessly irritate some people, but it feels like an arrangement that would eventually satisfy both groups after some time spent apart from one another.
>>64618825I think /tcg/ is the worst answer for this. Forming either /rpg/ for roleplaying games or /wg/ for wargaming and board games instead. Counting right now, we have around 11 generals for RPGs, about the same for wargaming but 6 for card games. A card game board would not slow down /tg/ enough nor would it have enough traffic to live by itself. Meanwhile a board dedicated only to RPGs would be able to accommodate fast generals while giving far more room for niche systems with threads that don't die with 30 posts or even some generals. Same would be true for a wargaming board.
>>64610639Alright well we both agree that moderation and janitorial conduct fucking suck on this website, and part of the problem with everything is deletion by personal fiat and not by topicality. I've been involved in a discussion for instance about MSPA and Homestuck threads, which get deleted from /v/, /co/ and even /trash/ even when there's no shitposting in them. Occasionally someone opines that HS should get it's own board, myself being one of them once, and thinking about that solution and what unintended bad consequences that could bring to both the topic being ghettoised and 4chan itself is what lead me to my current line of thought about creating refuge boards rather than ghetto boards.Incidentally I realised something between yesterday and today: a solution that would work for /v/'s problem may actually resolve the same issue for pretty much any other board. The problem with /v/ is its news cycle drama, which is a mixture of obvious marketting and underage shilling, chiefly via consolewar gibberish that has nothing to do with actual video gameplay. Even when the discussion isn't artificial, an upcoming or recently teased game gets 7-8 threads, all basically identical, crawling across the board for weeks straight. This is enough to kill other discussions even without paranoid mods. There is a simple solution: all chatter about upcoming releases, trailers and brand new initial reactions goes in a /vn/ - video game news - board, leaving the main board to genuine discussion.I have no idea why it didn't occur to me before now, but that would actually solve /tg/'s issues too, and /co/'s and any other board similarly affected by the news cycle and muh hype. Some ground principles:- Multiple threads about a single game must have a different thrust of discussion, like art or some specific aspect of gameplay. - Vague series related stuff gets just one thread per board, and news can be mentioned there but not discussed. - Newschat gets deleted or moved.
>>64618825I think you're on to something. Card games do follow their own set of principles and could do with their own space, and /vp/ - well, vp probably shouldn't exist, so anything that helps alleviate that is a good thing. This gets to the fundamental crux of /tg/ as a very mixed up board. Many of the activites collected under /tg/ have only tangential connection, some common origins or the use of dice but not much else. Board games for instance technically belong here, yet they're a scant minority at the best of times. Roleplaying and wargaming are clearly distinct beasts, even when they share a setting. Chatter about Warhammer RPing is completely different from the strategy game. /cyoa/s are a special one because they originally evolved from simple choice games, where a few options are presented in an image and discussion is generated by everyone comparing options. I really really enjoy this phenomenon, but /cyoag/ is actually one of the worst places to discuss it. A trifecta of fetish and wish-fulfilment spamming, of egotripping namefags who derive their self worth from cheap photoshop backgrounds and not from content, and a predominance of overly-long form and RP oriented content serves to drive out all the rest of the variety in choice games. Note that the first of these three factors should and could easily be accomodated on /d/, but mods there are faggots as ever. The third factor is just a product of /tg/ being the only host location, and is not a problem beyond the crowding-out effect. The parochial culture of any general which encourages the "creator complex" in namefags is the cause of the middle factor. All three issues would be resolved by making a new board...... or rather just expanding the scope of /qst/, because qst is too narrow as matters stand anyway. I advocated for qst to be a combined quest thread and choice game board at the time, and my view then has been strengthened by events since.Additional thoughts in a follow-up post.
>>64618825>>64620775>how would X far in Y90% of these threads are cheap lazy spam and I'd celebrate their demise, but the fundamental question when posed honestly is a valid enough topic. Some of this kind of comparative content may belong in the same location as choice games, and may in turn go into an expanded /qst/.>art threadsArt threads are general intrinsically tied to the setting and scenario of a game rather than its gameplay. In this way, art threads defy the set divisions and distinctions used by the pair of us and others in this thread. For instance, earlier I noted how Warhammer RP and Warhammer strategy discussion have nothing to do with each other - correct, but the setting is the same and so artwork is cross-applicable. Same for warhammer vidya and so on.A somewhat radical solution would be the creation of a board for discussing fictional settings itself. Origin is irrelevant, so stories from video games, books, movies, tabletop, card games can all go there. Art can also go in here as art is a fundament of the aesthetics and storytelling of these settings. Comic pages and discussions about specific movies, episodes of an onrunning tv series and the like all go to their respective board. This allows said respective boards to explore the content of games, or design talk, cinematography and so on while general art chatter and domain-unspecific setting talk can occur in a place for all settings. This could serve as an alternative home for "how X fares in Y" threads.The general thrust of the format suggestion I'm developing goes is:1) Separate news cycle muh release discussion from standing stable content discussion to avoid poisoning and crowding out2) Give threads oriented around onsite games and anon interactions (choice games, CYOAs) their own space3) Give discussions about entire fictional settings and their broad art and aesthetic their own space away from board-specific discussions of the medium (vidya, RPing, card games etc.)
/tg/ Renaissance when?
>>64616441I still don't think a lot of /tg/ realizes how lucky we are to be able to discuss different D&D editions and wargames on /tg/ with relatively minimal edition/system warring. There's still some for sure, but it's minimal enough to brush aside instead of having to abandon nearly every thread. I'll fistfight every motherfucker who whines about generals because they don't remember how bad we used to have it.
>>64620990We tried once in 2016. It didn't take. You give it a shot if you think you can do it.
>>64615010NSWF /tg/ is too narrow and would just be shittier /aco/. We just need to pitch /we/, Written Erotica, which would be open enough for plenty of /tg/ related smut.Problem is that there would still be resistance from mouthbreathers who refuse to use more than one board because of memes. That and Hiro likely wouldn't go for the creation of a new NSFW board considering how much of a money hungry goblin he is. Pop by /qa/ sometime and gaze upon the man that is running our site.
>>64552421Occasionall /ss/ threads that went anywhere... Towergirls being good.New ideas.
>>64620990Whenever we get to the "how".
Anyone else ‘’member diety quest from like 2014? With ius and we were a giant floating eye. That was good shit. I spent months hoping the writefag would come update.
>>64552421>old /tg/ismsproducing content
Original Content.Not making every single fucking thing political.
>>64622231The second alone would elevate this place so far out of the shit I'd no longer despair about the state and future of the board, even if we didn't get more content creation.
>>64622257EVERY board is political now.Where's that chart that shows the population increase of 4chan during the 2016 elections?/pol/ is now THE 4chan board and it has completely taken over the culture. Everything is Cuck This Onions That SJW SJW SJW SJW.Its so fucking tiresome.Maybe I'm seeing through rose tinted glasses but I dont think old /tg/ would have gotten so fucking bent out of shape over a 40k kids book.
>>64622326Deleting /pol/ would unironically save 4chan.
>>64622349wouldn't they all just flood the other boards and keep going though? Not that we aren't replete with the over spillage from that hell pit already, but if their board got nuked I don't think they'd leave at this point.
>>64622349I think the genie has been unbottled and its too late now. Remember when moot said "If this place becomes stormfront i'm deleting it" when he brought it back?Stormfront wishes it was /pol/ now.
>>64622361They like to brag about how they would do that and destroy the site, but remember the cuck queen fiasco before moot sold out? There's also pleanty of times other sites like the one newfags and stubborn oldfags treat like fucking voldemort have deleted groups that were permeating through to other pages on the sites and have had the offending content die out pretty quickly.
>>64622231>>64622257I wonder what kinds of replies would appear in a Deep Rot thread these days. What if someone made a Deep Rot thread?For that matter, I wonder how nu-/tg/ would react to old-/tg/ creations presented as new ones.It's just a social experiment bro so whatever
>>64622467>Deep Rot threadWell now there's a blast from the past. Honestly It probably wouldn't take. As for old things given new life, consider L&K 2.0 as an example of an attempt, and then extrapolate how it would go today considering how the board has deteriorated in the last few years since it happened.
>>64622361Some boards are already too badly infected. /k/ for example is basically "/pol/ with guns" now.
>hey, this is a really shitty, baity thread with a dumb question and a fapbait pic in the OP>several people point out how OP is a massive faggot>it's finally at page ten, maybe it will just fall off>nah, someone bumped itThere are people that want this board to be shit.
>>64560434I'm making a homebrew system with others from /tg/
I don't think /tg/ can be saved honest, the majority of people posting never talk about they games or anything related to traditional games stuff if you discount the generals. It once was everything to talk about games, then lets discuss games, but let me put some stuff than doesn't belong here so I can discuss this shit outside the board its for, because its shit! Now its I want to discuss this, have a throw away about characters or fantasy stuff so I can talk about it with a chesscake image or croped hentai image.
>>64625480That's all of 4chan except for the bits devoted to cheesecake already
>>64560943>You mean the tieflings in bdsm gear? waifufags? Tumblr immigrants?Never seen any of that.>>64561053Retard, they were asked what they missed, they answered.
>>64560728The board is nothing BUT clutter now.
>>64625922Well, if that's the path you guys want, we are there already. With that moderation I think generals will be shit in 6 months at this pace, lots of them are already becoming cancerous like the 40k one or the OSR.
>>64624948How the fuck is that pic fapbait?
The idea/reputation that /tg/ gets shit done.Also bitches for Thulsa Doom but nu-/tg/ won't allow NSFW even under spoilers so fuck me I guess.
>>64626047I think anon isn't referring to this thread, but rather to a lot of the threads on /tg/ now, like the new meidofag thread
>>64626069Some people want no moderation in this board, like a /tg/ bant. >>64626110I would kill for a thulsa doom thread, if it was for all the porn and lewds.
>>64626150>I would kill for a thulsa doom thread, if it was for all the porn and lewds.God no, you guys are into the most repulsive fetishes imaginable. There's a board dedicated to that. It's /d.
>>64626168But at least it would be one thread, and not 12. Between generals, waifufags, pol bait, fetish threads, X in Y, rate my x or the rest of the usual suspect, there are like 3 threads (the wave one, the Air ship one or the vampire one) than have a shred of potential to be fun. The goat one its too bare bones to become one.
>>64626110>The idea/reputation that /tg/ gets shit done.I actually have a lot of homebrew that I feel like you guys would like and that the few times I've mentioned anything about it has gotten positive reviews from you dudes, but every time I consider posting a thread about it I get this really strong feeling that I should save it for publishing someday and/or that I shouldn't encourage you guys to spend more time on here. I honestly can't tell if this board SHOULD die or not. I don't know if it does anyone any good.
>>64626168They are eather into futa or REALLY weird shit (e.g. >>>/d/8318366 ) with hardly anything in between. Also what >>64626197 said.
>>64626150>I'd kill for a thulsa doom threadThere's a half dozen boards for that shit, it is not needed here. I'm not talking about stray titties in Frazzeta or Vallejo, I am talking full on fap threads. Don't shit where you eat.
>>64626199Be honest with yourself, do you REALLY think that you might publish your thing someday or not?I am not trying to punch you down, I am honestly making you ask this question. If you think you can publish it, the do it. If you don't think it's a realistic proposition, then do share it somewhere.
>>64626203Aco, U, E, GIF, trash. There are dozens of porn boards from the most fucked up shit to vanilla, come on.>>64626203Yeah,at least it would be one. I dont care for some lewd, what we have her now in tg its people pusing for making it a porn board, and its horrible, because its boring. I have read the its not rape if its an elf variation joke in a few different threads only today, and it was stale 10 years ago.
>>64626250I believe there is a difference between a pornboard and a blue board that allows NSFW under spoilers.
>>64626047It's just a reaction image.
>>64626250...why don't we all just try making better threads, instead of complaining about how bad things have gotten? Surely if we worked out a plan then we could at least make some progress toward putting out the fire, instead of just sitting here and complaining about the heat while the house burns down and we burn with it.If every one of the oldfags here worked on it, we might get SOMEWHERE. It can't be worse than what we have now.
>>64626294I have my five threads up and bumping slightly interesting threads, like I done with the wave one two times from page 10, I really cant do more.
>>64626326That is fine, elegan/tg/entleman.It is the most which can be asked of you
>>64626294Catalog probably doesn't need to fill with new OPs faster to be honest, unless you actually have something specific to talk about. We've discussed babysitting good threads off page 9 or 10, but without leading questions or light bait the result is a thread full of "bump." Then there's actually aggressively reporting the stand out garbage, but nobody seems with me on that. Out of curiosity, what do you want to see in these new good threads?
>>64626294The probLen, I suspect, is that a lot of the people here now think of /tg/ as a board that produces quality content and somehow don’t realize that they have to look for it and be part of producing it themselves rather than being fed it unconditionally.
>>64626388>Catalog probably doesn't need to fill with new OPs faster to be honestOf course not. Inorganic threads won't go anywhere unless they're bait.>We've discussed babysitting good threads off page 9 or 10, but without leading questions or light bait the result is a thread full of "bump."We should continue doing this. Instead of solely bumping, we can also develop on ideas in good posts, ask leading questions, or do light writefaggotry if the OP did some writefagging.>Then there's actually aggressively reporting the stand out garbage, but nobody seems with me on that.I'm with you on this. We should start with just the worst of it, though.>Out of curiosity, what do you want to see in these new good threads?Basically, old-/tg/ without the NSFW (which won't fly anyway today). Most of the things that were brought up here.
>>64626398Uh, I been told in tg is for shitposting at least two times today in the elf threads. Btw, why are there ELFS threads, I tought the elf slave ones were deleted on sight.
>>64626150No moderation is just another type of shit moderation. I guess I understand where the desire for no moderation comes from, namely from observing how good unmoderated communities can be and then naively assuming that it's the lack of moderation causing it. Specious reasoning. Moderation becomes a necessity when a community is large and stupid enough to no longer be trusted. Moderation is definitely needed but is also itself a vector for cancer.
>>64626519>Uh, I been told in tg is for shitposting at least two times today in the elf threadsTold by newfags. Don't actually listen to them, man.>Btw, why are there ELFS threads, I tought the elf slave ones were deleted on sight.I can only presume that the janny is fapping to them instead of deleting. Wait till he's done downloading all the images
>>64626528Old tg was a slow board. I Coud go to school with a shitty thread made early in the morning, and return to home and it will be nearing page ten . It was a lot smaller than now, than therads soem days hit page ten in an hour or two.
>>64626519Mods seem to only delete elf slave wat do threads if you type these exact words into the OP. You are free to make whatever shitposting thread about elves you want, because elves are inherently /tg/ no matter what /e/ and /aco/ fapbait art you use or with what cropped porn you start it and the low-quality rule does not exists.That said, there actually seems to be at least one mod that weeds out some of these dumb elf threads, but he only works at certain hours
>>64626326Which threads are those anon?
>>64626655The space one for example. Some system ones than I will not say because I dont want them shitposted.
If anyone is still reading this thread, please remember that altchans exist and you aren't stuck here. I don't want to give names here but theres a big fuckhueg list of every IB known to mankind that got posted on /qa/ within the last few months. Find 2 or 3 chans with /tg/s and start posting there just once a week and we could really start something big. And don't forget to invite your friends that aren't shitters
>>64626957Used to go to tgchan occasionally, but it's throwing me constant 403s now.
We hit the bump limit.Is this thread going to be made again?I would support having a thread to organize oldfags or teach people how to be excellent, seeing as it is sorely needed.
>>64628757Dunno if we have enough old fags to change anything anon, to make something you need time, willingness and a bit of talent/knowladge, while shitposting needs an image and a few incendiary words. Its a losing battle.After touring the threads, I got so depresed I think I will nestle in some shitty discord a few months for my rpg needs and let my threads die. Cripple chan /tg/ its as cancerous as this one too, so I really don't know were to go.
>>64628757I'd limit this to weekly, try to hit different folks. No need for another general.
>>64629081Alright, so a weekly thread to organize oldfags.
>>64629220Grumpy monday?>I'm angry, angry about newfags.
>>64629240Watch out for a new thread this Monday, then.
I'm surprised that a meta thread like this managed to survive.
>>64629220>>64629240>>64629257I'd avoid consistent "branding" like a copy pasted op or regular scheduling too. The last thing we need is a new "confess" or to draw dedicated hate sick of seeing us.
>>64629359Yeah, keep it a little loose.Maybe vary it up by posting a couple of days late, and/or coming up with original OPs; maybe a question in the OP to generate discussion.I think people would like a comfy thread to talk in non-memely.
>>64628757>>64629081>>64629220>>64629240>>64629257>>64629359>>64629453Please no. We don’t need more generals. We don’t need more meta discussions.The truth of the matter is that /tg/ was always full of shitposts and bad threads. The only real difference is that people were willing to wade through it to find the good threads and give good advice and critiques. No one expected good content to be served on a silver platter or thought that it would magically appear if we complained and discussed enough about how rare it was.
>>64630608>people were willing to wade through it to find the good threads and give good advice and critiquesWe're even more willing to wade than ever, or not willing at all anymore, since good content has become even more scarce these days.>we complained and discussed enough about how rare it wasI thought that we would discuss how to make it less rare rather than griping about how 4chan is doomed and old-/tg/ is finished forever. The original post which led us on this tangent was >>64626294 (You).
>>64630737And we don’t need a plan. That’s such a juvenile idea. The first part of the post is solid though. What people should do is post content and respond to good threads. We don’t need to discuss HOW to achieve this. The how is apparent. People just need to do it.
>>64630737>since good content has become even more scarce these days.See, that's just outright false. Good content has always been scarce. But people only remember and talk about the good content. No one talks about the ogre testicle threads.
>>64631390>teasing us with that in the second to last post
>>64626957Altchans are shitty though