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Could they fit in the SW universe?
First for uncommon ship designs
>>63993250https://raithos.github.io/?f=First%20Order&d=v5!c=200!233:181,-1,-1:;266:181,-1,-1:;290:132,-1,165:;265:-1,-1:;262:181,-1,-1:&sn=Doug%20Dimmadome&obs=This is surprisingly fun to fly.
>tfw no Seventh Sister gf
>>63993299Do the World Devastators count?
I've got an X-Wing tournament tomorrow! I've got a good idea about what the local players are going to bring (and I've proven I can defeat the Dash-Roark Double Tap so I have no fear of it), but I've not had much contact with Scum; what should I expect, if some high-falutin' out-of-towner brings Scum?>>63993293As a generally insular race obsessed with tech?Sure, why not? More multi-limbed races are always good.
>>63993617Okay but why
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>>63993819>be-mouth tattooed crone VentressYikes.
>>63993617No one cared who she was before she put on the helmet.
So, for those who have played the FFG star wars games, if you choose Human, you get 110 xp, plus another potential 10 from the options on page 49. This means that, instead of buying skills or powers, you could invest them stats, bumping four stats up to three.How terrible of a start do you thing a character would have doing this, and assuming they somehow survive to get a decent amount of xp, how beneficial do you think this would be in the long run, given how much xp is needed to even get one dedication?
>>63994425Specifically, page 49 of Force and Destiny.
>>63994425this is the most broken shit in SW rpg and Genesys, just buy stats instead of skills
>>63994425Better to get a 4 in your main stat
>>63994425Now that I think about it, You could also use the xp to get one stat to 5 (30+40+50=120).
>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2019/1/10/allies-and-adversaries/Who's ready to run an Endor 'Nam game?Release an Old Republic sourcebook you cowards
>>63994425A 4 in your main stat and a 3 in your secondary is the way to go, that's just spreading yourself too thin and getting to 5 is just crippling overspecialisation.
>>63994425Pumping up characteristics as high as you can during character creation is almost always worth it. Dedication is usually just icing on the cake by the time you can actually take the talent.
>>63994579>he needs FFG to tell him what stats Ewoks haveDumb idea for a book tbqh, if you wanted to give stats for characters then do it WEG style and put them in relevant books (Han, Chewie & Lando in EotE, Leia & Wedge in AoR, Luke in FaD) rather than waiting till now.
>>63994615desu I don't really give a shit about the Ewoks or named characters, I just want a dedicated monster manual for this game without having to break out cards all of the time.
>>63994579>Who's ready to run an Endor 'Nam game?IT AIN'T ME! IT AIN'T ME!
>>63994615>Ewok statsTHE TIME HAS COME!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFjM3QWKlE
>>63994656>Blasting Paint It Black on the gunship while bitching about being issued white armor in a forest setting filled with Vietcong murder bears
I just remembered the stats they teased for Obiwan. Given that Obiwan is human, and has a stat total of eight higher than the base, this would mean, to make Obiwan, you would need to boost four stats to three at character creation, and then get four dedications to do it in the most xp efficient manner.
>>63994579>the viet cong ambushes an american patrol out of nowhere and kill them to a man>yub nub starts playing
>>63994677Jesus I've never heard that theme before (or actually any Ewok cartoon footage minus that one YTP). That's. Certainly something.
>>63994745Four dedications is at least (5+10+15+20+25)*4+20+30+40=340 exp. Assuming you can get a straight line right to it on each career.
>>63994796And here's season 2 intro.Yes, they made two seasons of this stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5fsI2dYtSo
>>63994770>>63994717>>63994656>>63994579Teddy don't surf.
>>63994856>>63994946I just love how the depictions of Ewoks are all over the place.
>>63994975>>63994946 forgot the preceding page where the Ewoks offer them flowers and the Stormtroopers open fire because they think the Ewoks are trying to sabotage their weapons.
>>63995167Let us have our fun, Gisnepanon. The games we run aren't canon either.
>>63993831I would change Gideon to Del Taco (Meeko), and maybe drop Marksmanship in favor of Trick Shot. Otherwise looks aight.
>>63995133Are those Nerf guns
>>63995365You can't milk them so no
>>63994579The CW book gives me hope for an OR and Imperial sourcebook.
>>63995238>The games we run aren't canon either.Hence being a waste of time. Legends DOESN'T MATTER.
>>63995476me-me no get this meme
>>63995133>>63995062Imagine what would have happened if the Ewoks became friends with the empire
You are sent back in time to when the writing for The Force Awakens is happening and are given full control over the plot of the trilogy. The only catch is that you have to keep the characters, casting and elements like Starkiller base. Otherwise, you're given free reign. How would you do it?
>>63995675Title crawlStarkiller base blows up jakkuCredits roll
>>63995675I keep Michael Arndt where he is, and check in on Lucas, Zahn, Stover, and Veitch for their feedback.
>>63994615When the line started the idea was "the movie characters are way beyond any of you" and you can see this in how darth vader had a statblock of "you die, end of story" in one of the prefab adventures (he acts as a doomclock fir players that go too slow). There was a hint of a change in Jewl of Yavin where Lando had stats, but specifically noted that those stats only represented him in a specific kind of situation and isn't him at his full.Statting real characters is something they only started doing in dawn of rebellion (where they were sorted based on associations or locations) and continued with rise of the seperatists. This book looks mostly to fill the missing characters out as well as have a compilation of the generic statblocks we see in the core books.
>>63995675I'd straight up take the plot of Zeta Gundam. The Knights of Ren that were used so much in marketing but never really did anything in the movies would be repurposed into the New Republic's Jedi Order who are little better than elite attack dogs for the politicians. In other words, they become the Titans. The Resistance becomes the AEUG who fights against the so called "gray jedi" of the Knights of Ren. The First Order becomes Axis Zeon with Phasma made into one of Sheev's bastard children who gives the First Order legitimacy and Snoke pulling strings in the background and they show up with an entire army of Empire remnants after hiding in the space outside the galaxy in the second movie. Starkiller Base, in this case, would be Gryps II, a superweapon based on the Death Star that the New Republic constructed. Also Kylo would have secretly been a First Order agent in the Knights of Ren that only reveals his true alliegance in the final movie during this version of the Battle of Starkiller Base. Luke would be Amuro in this case and Leia would be Quattro/Char (hiding her true identity because of the fallout from her identity as Vader's daughter being revealed). Not sure how about how to fit the other characters other than the obvious, Rey = Kamille.
>>63995675>Establish that the galaxy is divided due to weak republic trying to pussyfoot around every problem, afraid of becoming the new empire>Starkiller base happens to New Republic capitol on the eve of political talks aiming to unify the galaxy>Peace talks get nuked with the planets and a multi way war begins between galactic powers, corporate sector, the hutts, republic loyalists, imperial remnants, first order, new confederacy, Neo-Alderaanians, the ferengi, Correllian system militia and Gungan army>Giant space battle erupts around starkiller base as forces siding with either the first order or the republic are either trying to defend or destroy the base>Meanwhile other powers remain in the perifery watching and waiting for others to weaken sufficiently before moving in for the kill>Roll credits>>63995816This sounds pretty good too.
>>63995816Oh forgot to mention that in this case, Kylo would be Scirroco.
>>63995887>this fight scene but set in Starkiller Base between Kylo (who while a First Order agent, has his own plans and agenda), Luke and Phasma in Star Wars fighters instead of mechshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zNsjs7acfQ&t=26s
>>63981815Things I've done in Star Wars:The ship-as-shipyard. Basically a fuckall huge dreadnought that also builds corvettes, frigates, and light cruisers. Its general lack of facility as a warship due to it being comically expensive to move is offset by its ability to save huge amounts of money by setting up in resource rich systems and being able to hold those resources without support beyond what it itself produces. In my campaign it was the Imperial ship Gobannus and was eventually destroyed by the New Republic fleet over Duros.The asteroid-as-shipyard. This was actually really common because it makes a crap ton of logistical sense. The largest iron-rich asteroid in a field becomes a very good platform for ship construction very quickly.The Kallidean Network. This one was an explanation for how the Rebels constructed their corvettes and frigates (that they didn't steal). Dozens of smaller vessels would be responsible for one part of the design plan, given a rendezvous time and coordinate, and have to deliver the part there. A Rebel engineering team received all the parts and made final assembly at the rendezvous and each of the ships gave up one tenth of its crew to the new ship. Rinse and repeat.Under-ocean construction site on a 0.20 gravity waterworld. This one was the most fantastical as the whole facility was staffed only by Rebels from aquatic worlds and they produced one-offs in the Mon Cal style exclusively. Purpose built vessels from a mad scientist's wet dream, essentially.
>>63995675Small changes off the top of my head>Resistance and New Republic aren't separate>Keep the scene of Anakin's ghost calling Kylo an idiot>Next-gen Y-wings>Give the special forces TIE a better design>First Order uses a bunch of hand-me-downs from the Empire like ISDs and maybe a SSD, only a handful of Resurgents exist>Establish Starkiller Base as a project started under the Empire>Snoke is present on Starkiller Base, cut the Supremacy entirely>Starkiller Base isn't destroyed, only the weapon is knocked out
>>63995675Jakku is the junk venice as seen in the concept art, and Rey has finally scavenged enough money to get her and her droid family a ship of their own. Poe, after meeting Old Man, gets captured by the First Order with BB-8 escaping to the city of Jakku. BB-8 gets adopted by Rey and convinces her to fly to a First Order 'processing facility' in order to rescue him.Finn, who is a guard at this post, is horrified at First Order's treatment of their prisoners and after meeting Poe plans an escape from the facility. The escape is moderately successful as the two escape into the forest only to be surrounded by Stormtroopers, but Rey's freighter appears overhead and the dorsal gun (manned by BB-8) blasts the fuck out of the troopers.The four decide to go for a much needed drink at the nearest planet, but Rey's ship is disabled by pirates who then capture it dead in it's tracks. After a short fight the crew are captured as another ship is brought in. It's door opens a man steps out, the pirates all aim towards them, to which the mans responds by lauching a small object from his sleeve, which bursts into a shaft of green light in his hands. Luke then uses the Force to make all the pirates shoot in whatever fucking direction pleases before pulling the guns from their hands. Luke tells Rey & friends about Starkiller Base and tells them to head to the Resistance base on D'Qar, and that he's got something else to do. Cut to Maz' Castle, where Han & Chewie are drinking away without a care in the world. Some guy pulls a gun on Solo and without a second of hesistation he stuns the guy, and goes to drinking his drink. Luke appears, heartfelt reunion yada yada yada. Luke tells Solo the about Starkiller and the Resistance, but he doesn't want to hear it.
>>63995955Asteroid stations are cool and all, but how do you justify them not getting pummeled into oblivion?
>>63993295Obi-wan! Are you ok?
>>63995675>>63996073>>The construction of the Starkiller Base is destroying the ecosystem of the planet it is built into. The planet's nature would aid a Jedi/Force User in infiltrating the base to strike back at the construct that is killing it. Because of pottery.>>Show the audience what Rey sees when she plays a simulator during her break.>>Include a scene with Finn saving the day by knowing First Order procedures by heart. Have characters comment on that.>>Give Phasma something to do.>>Give Snoke something to say.>>Give the Knights of Ren something to do.
>>63996299>The goal this time is not to blow up the base but just to shut it down, because of the aforementioned ecosystem and large noncombatant population>So at the end the good guys control a planet on the edge of enemy territory that also happens to be a titanic superweapon that they could in theory turn back on if the war went badly enoughI like it
>>63995675E-wings and TIE Interceptors
>>63995675>Starkiller Base is disabled, but not destroyed at the end of TFA. The FO has learned from the mistakes of the Empire.This is the biggest one I want desu
>>63996623On the other hand, I kind of like the idea of the First Order being made up of the hardest core of the old Empire who are more Imperial than the real Imperials ever were. This is would fit them as a faction and provides endless potential for things that could bite them in the ass.For example the new walkers have wire cutters on their legs, but are even bigger and heavier than the AT-ATs were. You could have a First Order officer boast about them being invulnerable to being tripped by cables, only for the heroes to trap the walkers into pits/terrain that can't handle their incredible ground pressure. You could then have an old Imperial veteran comment on it.
>>63993362How's it compare to just six with advanced optics?>>63993781boba, palob, possibly both at the same time
>>63996750Tow cable invulnerability is the sort of retarded shit that'd be cooked up by someone who'd think the Death Star needed to have been deliberately designed to have a weakness in-universe.And yes, I remember you don't like villains who keep tripping over their shoelaces so they don't feel dangerous at any point. You're the one who pretended Hux fled the Turbo Death Star at the first sign of trouble instead of sticking around as it was going up to tell Snook that it was kill.
>>63996854>>63996750*don't like threatening villains and want your villains to keep tripping over their shoelaces
>>63996854I don't see how correcting a known design flaw leads you to that conclusion.
>>63996917Do you know why they used tow cables? It's not like in that one Rogue Squadron game, where AT-ATs are immune to everything that isn't tow cables.
>>63996191Kylo walks into Starkiller's command centre, where Hux is going over war plans. He tells Hux that Snoke wants an immidiate demonstration of the weapon's power. After an intense argument, Hux backs down and agrees to fire but only a remote target, since they aren't ready for war in their current state. Starkiller fires on Jakku, which Luke and Han both see from see from Maz' Castle.Luke and Han both take off in their respective ships and jump to hyperspace, cut to Rey's ship jumping into D'Qar's orbit. Rey lands with the gang and Poe immidiately runs into the command centre to brief Leia on the situation. As they start talking a random trooper runs in and tells them that Starkiller just fired, Leia then orders every ship the Resistance can spare to meet at D'Qar in preperation for an attack.Snoke convenes with the Knights of Ren, Kylo included, and declares that Starkiller must fire upon the Republic's capital of Coruscant immidiately. After learning of this, Hux refused but he is immidiately detained by Captian Phasma, who then orders the crew to prepare to fire. Kylo Ren runs off into the wilderness, removes his helmet and brings out a holocom, demanding to speak with General Cracken.
>>63996988Yes >the armor is too strong for blastersA desperation ploy that bought critical time. The AT-M6 has the cable cutters, it wasn't something that anon made up.
>>63997071I know it's not made up.
>>63996242>Asteroid stations are cool and all, but how do you justify them not getting pummeled into oblivion?Assuming it's intended to be a permanent operation you'd put shields on it.If it's not, simply being well-hidden in an uninhabited system off any major trade route will provide far better security than anything else you can do. While you can track ion signatures and hyperspace slipstreams to an extent it's not like tracking is easy in Star Wars.With good opsec you can keep something hidden virtually forever.
>>63997028Starkiller once again fires, Coruscant is destroyed and with this attack Leia orders all the Resistance to attack Starkiller base immidiately. Trench run happens and the world starts tearing itself apart, the ground team is stopped by a Knights of Ren, but then Kylo appears. He drops his vibroblade and activates his blue lightsaber, revealing his identity as Bail Solo. He manages to defeat his opponent and kills him, but he is then faced by Phasma and her team of Shocktroopers. The Shocktroopers almost overcome him but he is then saved by the timely intervention of Han and Chewie, in the battle Han is fatally wounded by Phasma as the ground breaks between him and his son Phasma gloats over the dying Solo but he begins to smile, as he pulls the trigger on his blaster and hits Phasma right in the neck causing it to explode with her head flying off like a chrome plated rocket. The characters then fly off from the world in their own ships as the planet is slowly transformed into a volcanic hellscape, in the background First Order ships can be seen escaping the planet as it dies.Fin.
>>63994834So plus the starting xp, you would be looking at least 420xp for stats alone. Considering Obiwan ended up on the Jedi Council, that makes sense I suppose.
>>63997111Then what were you getting at? I read the post over andbover and it confounds me
>>63997143The idea that tow cables are such a notorious, oft-exploited weakness in-universe that adding cable cutters is a big deal is stupid.
>>63997196It is the most notable failure of the walkers at the battle where the Empire could least afford failure. Still confused at the second part of the post.
>>63996854>Tow cable invulnerability is the sort of retarded shit that'd be cooked up by someone who'd think the Death Star needed to have been deliberately designed to have a weakness in-universe.Eh, I dont necessarily agree.I think the Death Star having a weakness is perfectly reasonable - but a weakness that causes it to detonate immediately if you poke it with a torpedo is a bit of a significant oversight.It makes more sense as a deliberate and hidden weakspot.
>>63994745Actually, I just checked, and Obiwan has a stat total of twelve above the base. That means he would need 8 dedications in addition to raising four of his stats at character creation. God damn...
>>63995675>You are sent back in time to when the writing for The Force Awakens is happening and are given full control over the plot of the trilogy. The only catch is that you have to keep the characters, casting and elements like Starkiller base. Otherwise, you're given free reign. How would you do it?I'll probably need more than one post but let's just bullet point for now:- Finn abandons the Resistance as soon as he can, with Rose stowing away on his life pod; they end up on D'Qar after the First Order bombardment and having to fight Stormtroopers and figure out how to get off the planet- Luke rejects the lightsaber, tells Rey that he's a failed Jedi and returns to his meditation. When Chewbacca stomps up to see him Luke asks about Han and finds out the details of his death. It's a big scene. Luke apologizes profusely to Chewbacca and hugs the wookiee. Chewbacca returns the hug and growls something. They both glance at Rey. Luke nods.- Rey and Luke training montage, although Luke is like the midpoint between Obi-Wan and Yoda in talent, cynicism, and technique.- Meanwhile Leia has departed the Resistance fleet (which is like 18 ships instead of 3 and doing fine on fuel, thanks) to contact "an old friend." In her absence Poe Dameron discovers that Vice Admiral Holdo is planning to stage a mutiny against Admiral Ackbar.- Poe and Holdo come to loggerheads, Holdo has Poe imprisoned, and it's up to C-3PO to inform Admiral Ackbar of what Poe has discovered.- Ackbar moves to have Holdo detained only to set off the incipient mutiny, which he quells by destroying the six ships loyal to Holdo in a brief, but violent battle. As the battle concludes the First Order fleet catches the Resistance fleet and their interdiction fields prevent them from fleeing.- Poe and Ackbar begin fighting an impossible rearguard action while the main Resistance transports head for a planet where an old Rebel base is mothballed. Because "homage" is fucking dumb, it's actually Hoth.
>>63997259Yes, a deliberate weakness that requires you to survive fire from countless flak turrets long enough to find a single, specific trench on a moon sized space station, dive into that small trench, navigate it safely and under pursuit from fighters to the unshielded side of the only weak point in the Death Star's armor, and somehow squeeze an anti-ship missile into said tiny weak point.
>>63996854>>63996868Tow cable invulnerability is exactly the sort of retarded shit that is cooked up by someone who would think the Death Star needed deliberate design to have weakness. If you look at the Galactic Empire and decide it needs to be resurrected you need cognitive blindfolds to keep yourself from realizing it is an insane idea. One of the side effects is losing the ability to perceive reality: that the problem with the big walkers was them being too heavy and unwieldy, not cables. It would be easy to expand that to all of the First Order's armory. It would fit them, since they should be the faction that takes the Empire and doubles down on it.That doesn't mean they can't be menacing. Their gear should be very effective when the First Order gets to use it as intended, only failing them once the heroes figure out how to take it out of its element. Their characters should be ruthless fanatics, not frothing at the mouth lunatics who fall for momma jokes.
>>63997339Do you have a point?Its a subtle and hard to reach thing. That means you can hide it in the plans.If he put a big fucking hole in the side where there were no guns and no shields with a giant holoprojector sign saying WEAK SPOT, SHOOT HERE, LONG LIVE THE ALLIANCE then it probably wouldve been flagged up by other engineers.
>>63997345They can be ruthless frothing at the mouth fanatical lunatics. Just as long as they don't fall for yo mama jokes.>>63997374It's a deliberate weakness in the same sense that a shot trap on a tank is a deliberate weakness.
>>63997393>>63997374Probably even less of one, since a shot trap is a much bigger target relative to the tank than the Death Star's exhaust port relative to the Death Star. And the exhaust port was shielded from the top, leaving a very dangerous trench run as the only possible approach.
>>63997374It works better as a minor oversight made possible by the Empire's overconfidence, making it a deliberate flaw ruins the metaphor of the thing and that's honestly more important than whether or not it makes sense. It does, by the way.
>>63994856>that random DENGAR! in the backgroundeven the teddy bears recognize best bounty hunter
>>63997318>Luke rejects the lightsaber, tells Rey that he's a failed Jedi and returns to his meditation.This is a problem because he obviously left a map to himself and this is not a man who would abandon his friends - let alone his SISTER - to die horribly. No amount of 'people change' buys you this character degeneration.I'm not, per se, against Luke cutting himself off from the Force, and maybe his exile is about trying to work through that. He hid it because he was the last of the Jedi and didn't want people to think the only people with the Force were pure evil - again. As far as the Luke/Kylo thing, flip the script. Luke does what Luke always does, and holds out hope for Kylo's basic decency - and it blows up in his face. Kylo was always an evil little monster driven by jealousy of his parents and an unlovely craving for power. Luke is trying to come to grips with this on a personal level.If you must keep Holdo, make her a former Republic naval admiral and a childhood friend of Leia's (hence the trust), and have her be an incompetent who was part of the decision to ignore the First Order to begin with. She dies impotently when her arrogance and bad planning backfire.
>>6399567>After Endor multiple factions emerge (not all have to be significant enough to be present in movies but let them be in lore) - New Republic, Huts rising in power, some systems becoming independent like Mandalore and Onderon and various Imperial Remnants including First Order and other faction lead by Thrawn. >Finn was actually stormtrooper who fought and killed for FO before deserting, kinda like Atton instead of being simple comic relief who dindu nuffin yet.I don't understand what's the point of Finn if he actually wasn't true stormtrooper. Seems like a waste of character and I like deserters.>Luke Academy is still going despite Kylo turning to the dark side.>One of the remnants is becoming too powerful (maybe because of Starkiller, prototype from Palpatine's Empire) so second one has to make uneasy and fragile alliance with New Republic>Let Rey just be a good and promising student in Jedi Academy. Maybe she was friend with Kylo before he fell to the Dark Side.>Maybe instead of Poe being fantastic pilot let him be fantastic someone else, like sniper or whatever. I feel like there is too many fantastic pilots or at least guys who are better at others at piloting thanks to ship, even in movies alone.I just want era with various smaller factions instead of 2 main and powerful ones. Imagine how much money they could make if each Imperial Remnant had their own versions of stormtroopers like muhreen chapters
>>63997406If we take ANH at its word (which we should), the Death Star's "weakness" was not one, anyway. The shot was called impossible for a computer - and demonstrably, it was. What destroyed the Death Star was a combination of the Force, the lack of appropriate naval presence, and Tarkin's own psychopathic arrogance.
>>63997374Reminder: Galen Erso did not make the exhaust port the weakness, he made the reactor unstable. If he had known specifically about the exhaust port then the prerecorded message would have cited it. He knew that the detonation would trigger destruction, but not the way to get a detonation next to the reactor. This is why he gave instructions to go to scarif.Fuck that novelization before any of you bring it up.
>>63997318- Meanwhile back on D'Qar Finn and Rose have prevailed, defeating an elite Stormtrooper unit and stealing their transport. They make a break for free space and Rose mentions an old Rebel base that's nearby they can use to resupply. It's obviously Hoth.- Rey and Kylo have been communicating via the Force, with Kylo telling her that her parents are nobody, and Rey losing her shit. Luke doesn't stop Rey from going to the Dark Side nexus but he does warn her: "What you'll see is what you fear, and you must face it."- BIG BATTLE MOMENT AHOY thanks to Ackbar's heroic sacrifice ramming his Corellian corvette into Hux/Kanady's dreadnought (shaped like an actual fighting starship, not a pizza slice), the Resistance fleet makes it to Hoth.- The Resistance sets up their trenches in scenes that directly echo the Echo Base Defense scenes from ESB. Kylo's command arrives and begins deploying AT-ATs and a "megalaser" or whatever. Something that's designed to penetrate the reinforced hardening of Echo Base.- Finn and Rose arrived at Echo Base at the same time as Poe, discover the snowspeeders, and Poe & Finn take one. There are five other snowspeeders operational.- AT-ATs approach, snowspeeders move out to fight them. No tow cables!- Not a problem. Rose has figured out how to repurpose the planetary defense ion cannon to shoot the AT-ATs. It's a climactic moment as the Resistance "wins" the fight with the First Order.- Meanwhile Kylo retreats to the flagship where he discovers Rey and Luke waiting for him. Luke steps forward and says "Show me what you've learned, Ben." Epic lightsaber battle while Rey heads for the throne room.- Rey confronts Snoke in the throne room while Luke finishes disarming Ben (literally). Snoke has Rey on the ropes by the time Luke arrives.
>>63993293The swoop bandit leader in Solo during the train scene did actually look sort of like Fallen CaptainI REALLY dig the space cloak-mask-and-fur aesthetic
>>63997422But it isn't overconfidence. If I was in the design meeting of the Death Star I would dismiss the possibility of the exhaust port being used to blow up the station. The exhaust port is a tiny target, only ordnance will do thanks to the ray shielding, the weight of defensive fire is immense and the station has a garrison of its own fighters. Quite obviously someone noticed it might be a problem and took every reasonable step (and then some) to rectify it.Sure in hindsight it turns out a literal space wizard could use it to destroy the station. But designing things space wizard proof is a fool's errand, since no engineer has succeeded doing so in the past.
>>63997500But everything made under Disney's banner is equally canon unless specified otherwise.
>>63997538- Luke arrives to rescue Rey, resulting in an epic telekinesis battle ending with Luke hurling Snoke out into space. Snoke tries to telekinesis himself back into the ship but fails.- Luke and Rey head back to the hangar where Chewie and R2 have the Millennium Falcon and a pile of dispatched First Order Stormtroopers, including Phasma.- As they get ready to leave a figure emerges into the hangar and throws back his hood, revealing Sheev Palpatine (young clone variant). Luke tells Chewbacca to take Rey and run.- Luke and Sheev lightsaber battle.- Poe & Finn in the aftermath of the battle walking around with captured stormtroopers in front of them discuss recent events. Best friends scene.- Rey arrives at Echo Base with Chewbacca, huge reunion, everyone hugs.- Luke and Sheev evenly matched. Luke steps back, puts his lightsaber's blade down. "If you think you can win by defeating me, you're sorely mistaken." Sheev runs Luke through.- First Order withdraws from Hoth system having suffered losses.- Leia arrives at Echo Base. She greets everyone and glances back at the ship. "Well come on, everyone's waiting."- It's Billy Fucking Dee Williams. "What kind of mess have you gotten me into now?"- Pan to Millennium Falcon. Luke is disembarking. "Lando!"- "Luke!"- Big hug, screen wipe, end of film.
>>63997462>This is a problem because he obviously left a map to himself and this is not a man who would abandon his friends - let alone his SISTER - to die horribly. No amount of 'people change' buys you this character degeneration.>I'm not, per se, against Luke cutting himself off from the Force, and maybe his exile is about trying to work through that. He hid it because he was the last of the Jedi and didn't want people to think the only people with the Force were pure evil - again. >As far as the Luke/Kylo thing, flip the script. Luke does what Luke always does, and holds out hope for Kylo's basic decency - and it blows up in his face. Kylo was always an evil little monster driven by jealousy of his parents and an unlovely craving for power. Luke is trying to come to grips with this on a personal level.>If you must keep Holdo, make her a former Republic naval admiral and a childhood friend of Leia's (hence the trust), and have her be an incompetent who was part of the decision to ignore the First Order to begin with. She dies impotently when her arrogance and bad planning backfire.This Luke didn't cut himself off from the Force. He knew what was going on, he simply felt that everything that was happening was his fault because he couldn't train Jedi. He knew Han was dead, but until Chewbacca told him how, he didn't know the details.I'd probably have a scene reveal that Holdo has been a mole in the Resistance since the First Order arrived. She may have been a Rebel, but she's disgusted with the New Republic and its complete lack of leadership.
>>63997615New novelizations are only canon where they match the films anyways.
>>63997691That just makes it worse since he can still feel what's happening.
>>63997345The Remnants in EU at least had a point. The Empire had good aspects and Pellaeon's stood as exemplary of its order and security, even if it was a comparatively smaller area. There were people who liked the Empire and had good reasons to do.Disney chucks all that out. The Nu-Empire is 24/7 evil and suffering with absolutely no positives and no qualities. It is incompetent, awful, and evil for the lulz at every turn. They try very hard to make the Empire as awful as possible, then try very hard to make the First Order believable, but it isn't. Their Empire is a cartoon, the Order even moreso. They don't have any goal, any motives, and Hux's only argument is the galaxy will see them as glorious...because they blow half of it up.In Nu-Canon it simultaneously makes no sense that anyone would side with the Empire as Disney strips anything logical, good, or realistic about it, then wants you to believe a massive renegade faction supports it despite giving them not even the slightest reason to do so.Tldr it's all a big load of whoreshit
>>63997734Uh huh. Let's see you get creative.
>>63997750We still get people who unironically buy into the whole "order and stability" deal in canon though.
>>63995955>The Kallidean Network.stolen
>>63997750Putting EU material in the garbage where it belongs, the films have always pretty solidly treated the Empire as the scheme of a lone supervillain, which doesn't function as a state because it was never intended to by its founder. It is significantly less secure than its alternatives by several orders of magnitude, lasting barely 20 years in a universe where most things last millennia. Its professed aim of "stability" is therefore an overt fraud designed to trick idiots like you.
>>63997750The FO has a clearly stated goal though. They see the NR as a degenerate state "that acquiesces to disorder." and in Hux's words lies to the galaxy. The FO sees itself as bringing the rule of law where sldisoerder exists.It is pretty basic and straightforward stuff.
>>63998027I thought their goal was to get out of their exile in the Unknown Regions and re-colonize the good parts of the galaxy that see them all as war criminals. It's like if South American Nazis and their crazy clone babies tried to conquer Europe in the 70's.
>>63998070Well yes, that is what bringing their rule of law wpuld mean.
>>63997142Jedi Council doesn't mean shit when it comes to combat prowess.
>>63998141But they never phrase it like that in the movie. They're not suffering in the Unknown Regions, at least not according to anything we see in the films. They just seem pissed off that their dads were incompetent fuckfaces who lost a war against farmers and Ewoks, and they want to prove they can do better.
>>63998151You don't get the chance to be promoted to Jedi Master if you're some paper-pusher in the Jedi Service Corps. That's why even Jedi with no warlike inclinations, like Yoda the guy with no legs, generally elect to become Jedi Knights if they have any ambitions at all.
>>63998212Jocasta Nu was on the council and she was a goddamn librarian.
>>63998299>Badasses of the Jedi Order and very capable fighters such as Ki-Adi-Mundi, Aayla Secura etc all die to bitch ass clones>Meanwhile the Librarian who probably didnt use a lightsaber for 20 years and was in the jedi temple the night vader and the 501st came in and killed everyone escapes
>>63998212That dumbass Jango killed on Genonosis was a council member.
>>63997500Which novelization? I thought Catalyst did a really good job at explaining how the flaw was able to get in there.
>>63995816>>63995887>>63995922>Star Wars Zeta ends with Kylo going missing>standalone movie like Rogue One gets announced>there's a speech being made by someone dressed in ornate black robes>exposition flashes across the scene revealing that there was now a tense ceasefire between the New Republic (which is now being led by various Resistance figures once the Resistance was reintegrated into the New Republic proper) and the Neo Empire (remnants of the Empire and New Order, reorganized into a powerful new faction by a charismatic leader)>the speech demands the disassembly of the Starkiller Base's weaponry as it sits on the border of New Republic and Neo Empire or there will be swift retribution>camera pans up to reveal Kylo Ren>Kylo's Counterattack: A Star Wars Story>after trailer scene reveals that the recovery of parts from Death Star I and II has been successful and the Warp Drive is almost ready>Late on in the movie, it is revealed that the Neo Empire doesn't have the resources to power the patchwork Death Star's planet busting laser, so they're just gonna hyperdrive ram it into Coruscant
Did Sith force ghost get thrown out with the rest of the EU or are they still part of the nucanon?
>>63998450Imagine this scene with Kylo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXSkaSkVBYA
>>63998571They're in a weird spot. Technically, the official word is that they can't become Force ghosts, but there's been all sorts of weird deadpeople shenanigans from them and the Nightsisters. Nightsisters had freaky ghosts in Rebels, and in the comics, Momin has his weird helmet that has his consciousness in it.But we still haven't seen any actual Sith "ghosts" in canon.
>>63997497Yeah, wasn't there like 3 failed runs on the port?
>>63998622I imagine it would be quite weird considering Adam Driver looks like the kind of guy who sniffs bike seats outside of a retirement home
>>63998622>>63998707Yeah he doesn't have Char's pure charisma
>>63998412The r1 novelization has krennixs final thoughts try and figure out what possible weakness could exist, and realizing that the exhaust port is vulnerable.
>>63998571The best you can get is cheap parlor tricks that bind you to a lication or item.
>>63998571Jedi get to become ghosts.Sith can corrupt a location or an artifact and become invested in it and can project themselves through it.
>>63994579>We were always takin' long walk and we were always lookin' for a guy named Seppie
>>63994425>How terrible of a start do you thing a character would have doing this, and assuming they somehow survive to get a decent amount of xp, how beneficial do you think this would be in the long run, given how much xp is needed to even get one dedication?Ive never seen a Human PC who WASN't built either 432222 or 333322...The difference in starting competence between "the best you could buy up skills with all of your XP", and "buying no extra skills with XP" is just too small to worry about.
>>63997894t Chuck Wendig
>>63994745>I just remembered the stats they teased for Obiwan. Given that Obiwan is human, and has a stat total of eight higher than the base, this would mean, to make Obiwan, you would need to boost four stats to three at character creation, and then get four dedications to do it in the most xp efficient manner.Yes. Powerful NPCs just don't follow the rules PCs do. PCs just aren't, and realistically can't be, on the same level.Of course PCs tend to do crazy stuff with equipment and master plans, but...
>>63997894>Putting EU material in the garbage where it belongsKathleen Kennedy pls go
>>63996761Better imo because so far if you play your cards right Null can make it so you have 4 High Initiative Aces. Not flying in formation also makes movement much more flexible
>>63999223>not Clanker>Not tinnie
What would make a good starting-level antagonist for a PC starfighter squadron?
>>63996242>>63997126>Asteroid stations are cool and all, but how do you justify them not getting pummeled into oblivion?You know how FFG has personal scale damage and vehicle scale damage (10:1)? If someone starts shooting at it, add planetary scale damage... if you start with a big enough asteroid, you could have hundreds of meters of stone (nickel-rich core material?) between the attackers and whatever construction works you've built in the mined out interior.Sure, big Imp capships could bombard away like it's a planet, but smaller and less powerful ships aren't doing jack. Your shielding in on points of entry and egress.Pic related: You done it wrong, son.
Could somebody post the "was a good friend" Obi-Wan meme regarding Ahsoka? I remember the sentence "constant fucking porno" used. Please!
>>63994425A lot of players tend to 'over think' things, basically if you pick a career and it's got a bias to a stat based on the skillset it's given, usually that will be something like your various Agility, Intellect and Presence type things etc. If you get a 3-4 in that you're pretty much good for quite a while in terms of being 'better than average' at your careers skills.Mostly because as a GM I'm not out there hitting players with 4-5 dice difficulty rolls, as a starting player its usually in the 1-2, sometimes 3 for their starting adventures and on average that's a 50-50 or 60-40 chance of success-failure and for the most part, it doesn't really matter if they don't make it first time and if its a "super serious, you can't fuck this up!" >then spend a force point>better yet, get someone to HELP assist and spend a force pointThat said, there's a 4-way split in terms of the direction that your dice roll can go when you add in the Threat and Despair, which will shake up the Advantage and Triumph system side of the game quite considerably when it comes to a result- that black and white Success and Failure isn't as critical, you might not succeed but if you're quick on the good ideas side of things, you might have enough Advantage which will pull the situation into a 'not terrible result' or you might Succeed, but that Despair is still there and shits about to get fucking real.>or if I think you're getting away with it too easily, I'll spend force points from that Destiny pool!The other thing to consider is that your character's specialisation may not always be the best at a given situation, so a good amount of secondary skills isn't a terrible decision either, it may mean you're not getting that primary skill at 4 x yellow dice of skill joy as quickly, but having a good 2-3 yellow in another set of skills might be enough to make you a handy dude in the group, when another specialist gets put on their arse and someone needs to get shit done.
>>63997126>>63999822Pummeled by other asteroids, I mean.
>>63995365It’s nerf or nothin
>>63999815Flamboyant pirate captain with a soft spot for theatrics.
>>63997126>>63999859Repulsor units?I mean, Star Wars tech is certainly capable of handling minor issues like "asteroid fields is dangerous."
>>63999735>>not Clanker>>Not tinnieDats racis!>>63999815There's a few ways to approach it, what are you looking for specifically?
>>63999841>Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano? She was your father’s exotic teenage alien apprentice, a fine piece of jailbait from a more civilized age. She had the tightest body and the perkiest little breasts in the galaxy; barely legal in most systems. Anakin and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every successful campaign during the Clone Wars, and once in a while we’d even have the entire 501st run a train over her, part of official Jedi “training” of course. In time, she learned how to handle a meatsaber better than anyone in the Jedi Temple. She wore a miniskirt every day so we told her there were no panties in space, and she was constantly doing acrobatics. We taught her to grip her weapon backwards like a dildo and constantly got captured by slavers and pirates almost every other day. It was ridiculous, like a constant porno Luke, you have no idea. And she was a good friend.
>>64000035's glorious shit, my friend.
>>63999859>>63999924>Pummeled by other asteroids, I mean.Repulsors or a team of tugboats with tractor beams are options, but to begin with, pick an old, stable (sparse?) neighborhood, not that crazy billiards ball mess from ESB.I can't recall; does SW have "inertial dampeners"? If you're in one of the biggest rocks (which may have been a first pick for mining during Republic or earlier times... dang, cool location idea... SPACE DUNGEONCRAWL in a 30,000 year old asteroid facility), that might let you not even notice smaller rocks bouncing off.
>>64000035I *really* wanna post the Ventress one
>>63999986They're Rebels, so probably an Imperial trying to hunt them down. What would the Empire send after a couple of X-Wings stirring up trouble in a low-priority rim sector?
>>64000121Yep, inertial compensators are common equipment for spacefaring vessels
>>64000163Are they based on a carrier, or do they fly independently?If it's low priority, probably only a token response force, lead by somebody who's either drawn the short straw, somebody who's career has reached a dead end, or an inexperienced but ambitious academy graduate.
>>64000035>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I kicked a cyborg in the shin?
>>64000035You're fantastic. Thank you!
>>64000273Sounds like that'd be extremely painful.
>>64000129do it faggot
>>64000163I'd recommend a Raider-class Imperial Corvette. Big enough to withstand enemy fighters and armed to take them down in a fight. Also big enough to house and launch TIEs.
>>64000294He's a big Jedi.
>>64000163Could look at something like a Lt Jobber in his C-ROC Gozanti and his poor fucking TIE pilots dangling off itJust make sure he's not 'killed' every episode of the game, but somehow either manages to pop back up when least expected after the last beating with a "haha, now I have a flack cannon!" or some TIE pilots that aren't shit... or worse, one day they really stretch the budget and give him a couple of interceptors.Best adversaries probably come from something the players do, so it'll be a personal thing after they blew up his base or killed his buddy from the academy and the like, at least Lt Jobber will have some kind of mission directive, over what the Imperial Navy gives him. Maybe he's looking for a fiery revenge or just to get whatever he can with a 1000 cuts
>>64000129To quote that late, great philosopher, Sheev Palpatine...Dew-it.
Are there any skills in Edge of the Empire that are actually worth raising above 2 after character creation?There are just too many cool talents that let me do cool new things that I don't see the value in investing xp to do something slightly better.
>>63999986You heard me scrap pile
>>64000486Upgraded dice (yellows) are the only way to roll Triumphs. You'll want your primary skill to be at least a 3.
>>64000248It's just them for now, though I might have them find a carrier at some point.
>>63997259The weakness isn't a PRESS HERE TO EXPLODE button. The weakness is an internal structural flaw that is taken advantage of via the exhaust port.
>>64000304>>64000365>Luke, did I ever tell you about the Sith Assassin Asajj Ventress?, She was the apprentice to Count Dooku (Who was a Good Friend) and was this Sexy Bald Dathomirian Lady who Dual Wielded Lightsabers. We used to fight all the time during the Clone Wars, and every time we did, Flirting would follow. She even saved my life from Darth Maul (who was ANOTHER Good Friend) and His Brother, Anyway, After she Rescued me, she suggested we let this flirting come to light and fuck, right then and there, after all Sex isnt forbidden for a Jedi, and the council wouldnt miss me for another evening. Ill tell you this Luke, she certainly knew her way around the bed, after all, Nightsister Culture is about Dominating Males, and ill tell you this, she certainly did. She even put on her Nightsister Leathers for me! Made me nut in seconds seeing her in that, She rubbed it all over her Smooth Head!. She was a Good Friend
>>64000545Then you're probably looking at something like a Gozanti, or MAYBE a Raider or Arquitens. Possibly even an Imperial Neb B. Something big enough that it's not in too much danger hunting some starfighters, but nothing SO big that it'd obliterate your players. Bonus points if it carries a few TIEs (cannon fodder so your players can blow something up while they run away.)
Challenge to all GM'sPropose a campaign set in the Backstroke of the West version
>>64000603's fooken beautiful, matey.
>>64000603>She was a Good Friend>Count Dooku (Who was a Good Friend)>Darth Maul (who was ANOTHER Good Friend)Exactly what kind of relationship are you suggesting Obi-Wan had with Dooku and Maul? I get a creeping suspicion that there might be at least two other pastas buried in this yard.
Always liked the idea of old-timey blasters.
>>64000486>Are there any skills in Edge of the Empire that are actually worth raising above 2 after character creation?>There are just too many cool talents that let me do cool new things that I don't see the value in investing xp to do something slightly better.Any skill you want to be able to rely on. Cool tricks are neat, but failing skill checks when you try to do anything (everything you do in the game, barring some Force uses, is a skill check of some sort), especially as you advance and start running into higher or upgraded difficulties, is sure no fun.Install a dice roller and play with different dice pools to get a feel for your chances.Or look at Pic Related.
>>64001184Thanks for saving my post.
>>63995675BACKSTORY AND SETUP:>1) Operation Cinder happened - but a large portion of the Empire were horrified by it and actively fought to protect Imperial citizens and worlds. Instead of mass defections to the Rebels, the Imperials loyal to their people instead form a faction called the Loyalists. The Imperial Civil War is brutal and bloody, with the "Fanatics" having a significant advantage thanks to their access to Palpatine's secret storehouses.>2) During all this, the New Republic is using the reprieve to go from strength to strength, eating at the territories of both and solidifying the gains it got at Endor. Rather than see the galaxy tear itself apart, however, Leia offers an olive branch to the Loyalists. The Fanatics and their superweapons are a threat to everyone, everywhere. The Loyalists, now led by Iden Versio and Rae Sloane, accept this offer, signing a peace treaty a year to the day after the Battle of Endor. The Galactic Civil War is now over - but the Imperial Civil War is still going strong.>3) The fighting is brutal, as the Fanatics resort to more and more desperate tactics and unfinished superweapons to try and defeat the combined might of the New Republic and the Imperial Loyalists. Finally, over the skies of Jakku, their grand fleet is broken and they flee into the Unknown Regions, their attempt to activate "The Contingency" foiled by the combined efforts of Inferno Squad and the New Republic Pathfinders (Led by Kes Dameron).>4) A time of peace begins. The treaty the Empire and the New Republic permits any system to choose to be a member of either faction if they wish, and forbids either faction from sending military forces into any system that isn't a member system. A sizeable part of Wild Space and the Outer Rim refuses to join either, creating a number of smaller factions and a lawless 'neutral zone' near the Unknown Regions. This replaces the silly disarmament thing with something also silly, but slightly less so.>1/???
>>63998746Alright yeah, that one sucked.
>>64001749>5) Over this 30 years, a number of things happen:1) The remnants of the Fanatics, aided by a mysterious Force user and the riches of the Unknown Regions, form the First Order. When their spies reveal that the New Republic and the Empire still retain sizeable military forces. The First Order combines the Tarkin Doctrine with the classic Rebel asymmetric warfare to create a new doctrine of clandestine, hit-and-run terror. 2) The First Order start to test their weapons and tactics by raiding the Neutral Zone. Instead of taking and holding territory (which might alert their enemies), they instead conduct hit-and-run raids, capturing supplies and kidnapping children. They manage to fly under the radar, with both big factions passing it off as more lawless piracy. They use their stolen riches to hire pirates and thieves to hit the Empire and Republic, keeping them distracted.3) Their spies start to sow dissent in both the big factions. In the Empire, they kickstart a schism between humans and nonhumans. In the Republic, they drop the truth bomb that Chancellor Organa is the daughter of Vader.4) Whilst both factions are in turmoil, the First Order makes its move. Using false-flag operations, they hit targets in Republic and Imperial space, making it look like the two are waging clandestine terror campaigns on each other. The result is massive outcry, fuelled by FO agitators.5) It is in this point, where Ben Solo is struggling with the truth bomb's implications and still-nascent Jedi are trying to keep the peace, Snoke takes advantage of the young Jedi's internal chaos to turn him. Luke tries to redeem Ben like he did Vader - but Ben is an right cunt and, with six of his comrades, slaughters the Jedi. Luke, horrified by his failure, retreats into exile to try and figure out where he went wrong.
When creating a character in the FFG system, if a class and a specialization both have the same career skill (ie, they both have Perception) does that mean you can take it twice?
Can someone rate my race?FFG Common Wraithern 250xpBrawn 2 Agility 3 Intellect 2 Cunning 2 Willpower 1 Presence 2 -130Wound Threshold: 10 + BrawnStrain Threshold: 11+ Willpower -5Player starting xp: 90 -90One Rank in Survival -10xpPredetor's Instincts: Can use Survival instead of a Vigilance check -10xpHabitat Affinity: Ice/cold/tundra enviroments -5xpTrue WraithernAdd 1 Black Die for temperatures above freezing when not wearing Coolant SuitGain +5 starting xp
>>64002202That is I started from a 250 xp base and the starting xp is 90.
>>64002026>6) Leia being Leia, instead of throwing blasters around like her cabinet is practically demanding she do, she in secret meets with the Emperor (who may or may not sport an amazing moustache) to figure out what the fuck is happening. Combining their limited intel causes them to realize a third party is fucking with them both - and they're out in the Neutral Zone.>7) Any violation of the Galactic Concordat would likely be the spark that ignites the civil war the First Order has been building up - the Emperor and Leia want peace, but they can't hold off the angry mobs forever. Sending a military force into the Neutral Zone would be disastrous, so instead they form a clandestine joint operation: The Resistance. Led by Iden Versio and Han Solo (who up until this point was retired from the military and making a killing running his shipping business), the Resistance moves into the Neutral Zone with whatever old surplus gear the Imps and Reps can spare without tipping their hand.>8) The stage is set. The Republic and Empire can't go to war against the First Order without proof that those fanatic cunts are attacking their territories directly, but the FO are wily enough to leave no trace/witnesses and let pirates and mercs do most of the legwork. The Resistance is instead taking on the First Order in the Neutral Zone, trying to find proof/hurt them however they can. The First Order, meanwhile, is trying to wipe out the Resistance without tipping their hand. It's a game of cat and mouse.
I still think the concept of Mace Windu returning as a cyborg with refugee Jedi, clones, and droids would be a cool one. Driven insane after his duel and Order 66 and surviving only because [plot] he renounced the Jedi Order as weak and ineffective and resorted to following a hard-line traditionalist approach aiming to once more conquer the galaxy in the name of a Jedi Republic, but in a Light-side-gone-too-far way. He sees everyone, including remaining Jedi not of his own, as corrupted by the Dark side and declares a "war of purgation" to "cleanse" the galaxy of Palpatine's influence with genocidal attacks on Imperial and Rebel worlds, believing them to all be Sith puppets. He's been kidnapping and indoctrinating people in the Unknown Regions and has an army of fanatics on his side with old tech but highly-honed Force powers enhanced even further by some mindbendingly powerful spices, and though Palpatine is dead he sees Luke and Leia, and consequently the Republic, as a direct product of Anakin, and he vows to annihilate every trice of his lineage and legacy, as well as crushing anything of Palpatine's, all in the sincere belief that he is acting as a prophet of the Light side and that the galaxy must be purged lest it forever fall into darkness, and no one will stand in his way. His "Jedi Crusade" begins here.
>>64002392Alternative drug-addled lightside cyborg villain picture:
>>64002392>>64002406Ever watch the Spirit movie?
>>63995167It's all fiction so there's no such thing as real or not.
>>64000603Christ reading this in Alec Guiness’s voice makes it better
>>63998622"Rey, I'm doing something extremely wicked."
But seriously, what would it take to get you in the theater for IX?
>>64003005Not needing to give Mickey one red cent.
>>64003005The trailer showing stuff like Pellaeon at the helm of an SSD helping fight the First Order. Rey meeting the spirit of Marka Ragnos and realizing how out of her depth she is. Poe piloting a missile boat. Finn starting a stormtrooper revolution.Rose in command of a New Republic World Devastator.Take your pick, cause I know they're sure as hell never gonna happen outside of my own imagination.
>>64002611I don't think he said real, he said canon.
>>64003005Nothing, because I'm already going.
>>64000772If there's one thing worse than commiemurrican star wars, its asiancommie star wars!>>64001184I had a fanciful idea with my brother in law and some beers that one day we would buy a blackpowder gun of some sort, then put a polymer frame, adjustable stock, reflex sight, foregrip and pic rails for more gubbins... then go troll the absolute shit out of the blackpowder roleplayers down the range.This wont happen of course because someone would see the money literally evaporating out of the bank account for it and then things would be very bad.>>64002138Yes you can, up to a rank of 2 but not further than 2 unless there's some special rule for going more than that- ie: Corellian Human can have piloting 3 at start
>>64003112You best be trolling friendo.
>>64003005By you going to /tv/.
>>64003005I'll go, but purely because I'm 501st and get in for free at the premiere so long as I wear my armour.Unlike Rogue One and Solo, though, I won't be paying a cent to see it a second time.
>>64003233>I'm 501stI sincerely, unironically thank you for your service. We need men like you in these dark times.
>>64003005>2019>going to the theater at allIt's like you want to get shot by a crazy person.
>>64003156Talk about the shit you want to talk about instead of screeching like a small autistic child ovre people talking about shit you don't want to talk about.Didn't your parents teach you to behave like a normal human being?
>>64002138>When creating a character in the FFG system, if a class and a specialization both have the same career skill (ie, they both have Perception) does that mean you can take it twice?The situation you outline is the way to start with 2 ranks, without spending XP during creation.
>>64003005For me, IX would have to include more mystical/force elements and get a little weird for me to have even the slightest enthusiasm for it. I know George considered David Lynch to direct Episode VII back when he was still in charge of Lucasfilm. I know his plans for the Sequels involved delving into the more metaphysical aspects of the force like we'd seen in the Mortis and Yoda arcs in Clone Wars, I would've been all in on that, I enjoyed where he was taking the series. We'd had the classic good vs evil/war movie films with the Originals, the Prequels explored the poltics behind a lot of that and gave us the fall of the hero instead. Taking it in a more spiritual/fantasy direction would've been fine with me, it keeps the saga fresh and it would have been a good way to justify another trilogy if it's something we haven't had before. The Disney trilogy has yet to justify it's existence imo, feels like its just there to make money and rehash the old stuff.Star Wars is built on old Japanese samurai films anyway, it was founded in mysticism and spirituality but kind of got lost in all the space battles and spectacle along the way, I'd have been happy with George using the final trilogy of the saga to bring everything back to it's roots. It's sad it never got made.
>>64003251>America.Wrong 501st m80.
>>64003308>Didn't your parents teach you to behave like a normal human being?We both know the answer to that.(not him)
>>64003328How does what the Anon in http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/post/62563981/ wanted grab you, on the weird mysticism front?
>>64003397I think you can reserve darker, grittier takes on Star Wars for the spin-offs or live-action series. Even in George's time he was planning a live-action series exploring the dark underbelly of the galaxy. But if it was a mainline saga film I wouldn't want it getting that dark, the main films have always been accessible to kids, even RotS despite how dark it could get, so nothing more extreme than what's in that for my ST.
>>64003294After TLJ, that would be a mercy.
>>64003005>But seriously, what would it take to get you in the theater for IX?I will go once, likely with my father, we'll both leave disappointed, and I will never see a Star Wars film ever again.Fuck you Kathleen "Zach Snyder" Kennedy.
>>64003308Says the anon that instantly got Maximum Over-Triggered.
>>64003554>no uNo man, I'm good.You on the other hand need to start behaving because if I catch you spazzing out here one more time.
>>64003005If it was a snuff film of Rian Johnson and KK being beaten to death with a bat I might see it.
>>64003626Absolutely no need to sign your posts.
>>64003125>>64003325Thanks, anons.>The situation you outline is the way to start with 2 ranks, without spending XP during creation.I figured it was there primarily in the case of species traits, but that makes sense.
>>64003730>I figured it was there primarily in the case of species traits, but that makes sense.Ugh, I feel stupid for forgetting that many aliens have the same effect, but still with a total cap of 2 (except for Corellian pilots).
FFG player here, I need help and I have nowhere to turn to in terms of options. I heard Tognaths are a race featured in the Dawn of Rebellion book but I can't order the book because my neighborhood has a package tampering issue. I can't purchase the book in pdf either, which I have no idea why they don't have the option. Could anyone please share Tognath creation stats and any information that comes with them?
Assuming he was highly gifted and the son of a well-respected planetary governor, how high up could a young Imperial navy officer get within a short time after graduating from the academy?
>>63996242>>Asteroid stations are cool and all, but how do you justify them not getting pummeled into oblivion?In reality asteroid fields are incredibly far apart from one another and don't actually have impacts very often.
>>64004410Well if his daddy is planetary governor then he could likely get his kid just about any job within the local branch, at least within reason. The key is really what the planet has in terms of positions and of course how it would reflect on the governor. If he appoints his milksop son to head some local ISB office and the kid is an absolute little shit with no talent whatsoever then the ineffectual nature of that local office will likely harm the governor's standing. I'm not really sure how absolute the power of a planetary governor. Pryce had huge degrees of discretion even over Kallus, but certainly not over Grand Admiral Thrawn. And of course her job still teetered depending on how effective she was at her job. The implication is that too many failures might get her Tua'ed.If, as you say, the kid is highly gifted then I don't think it would be too much of a shock if the planetary governor were to force offspring into positions that allowed the governor to consolidate greater power. Having someone ostensibly loyal high into planetary security or intelligence gathering would be a boon to any ambitious person.
>>64003005Pic related that’s just as good as its predecessors if not more.
>>63995675>The New Republic (Rebellion forces and free peoples lead by Leia) and New Order (Imperial remanents and bureaucracy led by an ancient Sith named Snoke) are factions fighting for control of the government, waging proxy wars and low-key political bickering.>Meanwhile Skywalker's Acolytes feud with his former apprentice Kylo Ren (Ben Solo) new group, the Knights of Ren. Both preach differing philosophies regarding the Force. With the Imperial Inquisition gone, many old Jedi and Force Sensitives are coming back to join one faction or the other (in addition to independent groups)>The main difficulty is the fate of the Starkiller base, a secret Imperial project that repurposed a Republic energy facility into a doom weapon. No one has the Holocron to active it, so each faction is scrambling to find the key to this weapon.>Rey is a scavenger and at the start of the film, her grandfather reveals that he was a Jedi during the last years of the Republic, and asks her to get a Holocron to Senator Leia or Luke Skywalker. >Rey is a budget force adept trained by her Grandfather as a "Special Talent" their family had, able to manipulate it, but instead of "the threads of life" she uses it more akin to the "sledgehammer of existence." She's 100 or she's 0, no in-between.>Finn is a drafted New Order soldier that is more concerned with his own survival, fleeing the New Order in hopes of living a quiet life. Finding himself on Jakku, he quickly meets up with Rey, lying to her about going to the Republic Capital for business. >Poe (who would work better as a Chiss to make him a bit more interesting) on the other hand is part of a Republic Privateer crew under Holdo, while she plays by the book he's in it for the adventure. Abandoning the privateers to seek adventure elsewhere, notably on Jakku. His ship is destroyed due to First Order and he joins up with Rey and Finn to head further into Republic space because of ADVENTURE
>>64004410In the Navy?Probably XO or CO of a small ship, like a corvette say, depending on exactly how long he's been in. A really talanted hotshot might be on pirate hunting duty in a hot sector and thus see a lot of action, but more likely they'd be on fairly average patrol duty
>>64004721>Primary driver of the films is the political bickering between the four key factions: the New Order, the New Republic, Skywalker's Temple, and the Knights of Ren.>Each group fights for control of Starkiller Base, between themselves and Rey's Scooby-Gang. >Han and Chewie are too busy lazing about to do much, Han is still killed by Kylo, but due to misinformation by Snoke and poor communication from Leia/Luka.>Holdo's problems with her Privateer fleet is more about differing philosophies on why they're out there. Snoke just capitalizes on it.>Luke doesn't try to train Rey, as he is more focused on dealing with the Knights of Ren (Which have more legal clout than his temple). But she picks up better control of her powers gradually.>Kylo is too busy championing the cause of the Knights of Ren and "Free Thinking Force Users" to see he's being obviously misled by Snoke and his mother for their own political positioning.>Rose joins Rey's crew as an engineer after Holdo's fleet turns on itself, instead of being a weird-hanger-on she's the far more practical compared to Poe's Balls-to-the-Wall "WE NEED TO HAVE A STARFIGHTER BATTLE NOW," Finn's constant lying about his skills, and Rey's naivety to the outside galaxy.>Rey's Crew adopts PEOPLE, not factions, so when Holdo's fleet is holed up on a godforsaken salt planet about to wiped out, Rey and Co. are trying to escape only to recruit a person to skedaddle-ska-fucking-doodle.>Finale is primarily dealing with the fallout of who gets the Starkiller weapon, which I would say Kylo, which after Snoke is defeated and getting told that yes, Snoke manipulated him, would probably destroy the codes then let it fall into anyone's hands .Rey shouldn't be "The Savior of the Galaxy" she's a part of a very large, complex web of relationships, problems, and people who want things. She plays Kingmaker and adopts people who don't belong to any faction like her.
>>64004410Age, skill, and reputation are the names of the Imperial Navy game.If he's got a respected governor father, probably a petty officer role on a mainline ship. If he's very good, maybe upwards of a co-captain/first mate deal.His age would keep him from going higher. The Imperial Navy likes (literal) seniority.
>>64004367Not a great scan, but its free
>>64004804>The Imperial Navy likes (literal) seniorityWhere is this idea from?
>>64004881The WEG Imperial Source Book, originally
>>64004849Bro thank you so much, you're a fucking life saver!
>>64004881Different anon but I think (and I'd love for someone to chime in on my memory here) maaaybe the Kanan novel? Been ages since I read it, but I know somewhere there was a young officer who was tired of the older admirals who had fought in the clone wars, feeling they were too set in the old ways and the new way of the Emperor was something to be shepherded in by the young and ambitious. Then again maybe that was Lords of the Sith? I know there was an ambitious officer in that one. Shit, it's been too long since I read those. There was a lot of stuff in New Dawn, including the sheer level of spying the Empire did to its citizens and how they were replacing the old surveillance corps with Imperial agents. Of course even if I'm right this was just one person's view, a personal grudge felt against the older leadership sitting fat and happy in the big jobs and this person wanted to thin the herd so he'd get to their level.
>>64004410If he's really shit hot, O-3 and a XO position on a small warship could theoretically be possible in under five years
>>64004910I figured a galaxy spanning naval force would drive the captaincy age down by having more positions that need filling.
>>63995675First of all cut out the shot where Finn's face first appears. Its a ridiculous shitty thing that works only for shock value and its equivalent to saying "check it out, this guy's black!". It adds nothing to the plot and already tells you that the movie is shallow garbage
>>64004949Any military will equate middle-age with maturity and knowledge of what they're doing, even if a younger person may or may not be better at it.The track record in our history of young military leaders is mostly pretty damn bad as the norm and in Star Wars every major faction preferred older people for command positions. Piett and Ackbar were grey-haired and grizzled.It's just a subconscious thing.
Has anyone tried out Kylo in 2nd edition yet? How does he perform?
>>64005000>Piett and Ackbar were grey-haired and grizzled....I don't recall Ackbar having hair or really showing any signs of being visibly old.
>>64005012Figuratively. Ackbar was an older Calamari.
>>64004949It would be driven down, but seniority would still be in play, just with smaller numbers.Basically, for the entire lifespan of the empire, all but a handful of admirals were Clone Wars vets, and most 0-6 Captains were too
>>64005000>The track record in our history of young military leaders is mostly pretty damn badI dunno, Princess Leia, General Solo and Luke Skywalker are pretty good indicators of young leadership in Star Wars.
>>64004944Define "small" for me.
>>64005035Don't you mean Princess Leia, Rey and Rey?
>>64005052Rey's never really been given a leadership position. While Luke and Han both did end up in such.
>>64005064>Rey's never really been given a leadership positionGive it time...
>>64005078Yeah but this discussion is about age in actually shown star wars. Keep it to the actually shown instead of dragging in non-relevant things just to bash the sequels.
>>64005036System patrol boat, corvette, maybe even an older frigate if somebody higher up likes him
>>64004367>FFG player here, I need help and I have nowhere to turn to in terms of options. I heard Tognaths are a race featured in the Dawn of Rebellion book but I can't order the book because my neighborhood has a package tampering issue. I can't purchase the book in pdf either, which I have no idea why they don't have the option. Could anyone please share Tognath creation stats and any information that comes with them?Stats
>>64004502>In reality asteroid fields are incredibly far apart from one another and don't actually have impacts very often.REAL Asteroid fields, sure...
>>64005035Leia's there because of royalty and noble ties/nepotism.Luke is young and the Rebellion considers him a hero but he's not really given command roles and in the films the two times he does end in disaster for the men with him even if he himself pulls through.Han is older than Luke and Leia and doesn't go general mode until after Endor.Granted the Rebellion may be more prone to young leaders as they really can't pick and choose who they get, but still.
>>64005190>disasterLuke and the Rogues did the best with what they had on Hoth. T-47s are poorly armed death traps, no matter how good your pilots are. Casualties in war are unavoidable, especially when your only available and reliable anti-AT-AT assets are tow cables on glorified tow truck technicals.
>>63994946>>63995133>>63995167>>63994975Yeah it's a mostly noncanon silly take, but I do like the more Vietcong parts.>>64003005Open admissions of mistakes, starting over Evil Dead 2 style with as much recutting as they can pull off.Or maybe casting these two as Garm and Pellaeon.
>>64005238>alright guys fly in on me!! :D>they all die instantlyLuke was never really a tactician, anon.
>>64001749>>1) Operation Cinder happened - but a large portion of the Empire were horrified by it and actively fought to protect Imperial citizens and worlds. Instead of mass defections to the Rebels, the Imperials loyal to their people instead form a faction called the Loyalists. The Imperial Civil War is brutal and bloody, with the "Fanatics" having a significant advantage thanks to their access to Palpatine's secret storehouses.Personally I had a sorta similar idea, but Cinder was something of a plot by the likes of Ardus Kaine to weed out and discredit more fanatical rivals so he could stop them and play hero, legitimizing his claim, while also blaming the robots on Elements of the Rebellion or possibly Luke himself. (Blaming Luke in particular helps justify turtling up instead of devoting the whole fleet to immediate vengeance.)
>>64005388>all die instantlyThey don't. Dogpiling the AT-ATs with tow cables was their only option in the first place.
>>64001749>>64005406I know nucanon isn't exactly logical it's the polar opposite but I'm still really surprised that the Imperials didn't suspect these random robots telling them to blow themselves up might've been, just maybe, possibly, a Rebel ploy. You know, that mortal enemy trying to do everything they can to destroy you? Who uses trickery and sabotage and subterfuge?But nah, let's just blow each other up because a robot said so #yoloCinder would've been much more interesting if it HAD been a Rebel plot, with some guy on the inside discovering Palpatine had these messenger drones ready in case he died. On the eve of Endor he happened to hack them and turn a generic "keep fighting" or "regroup here" thing into "Start destroying each other because you're unworthy and also retreat" and for good measure maybe have some EU virus stuff going on that takes over some Imperial ships and causes them to do massive B on B, and as it turns out it pretty much instantly wins the Rebellion the war. In Battlefront II Iden initially joins the Rebels but discovers in the last act that Cinder was actually a Rebel false flag and now has to choose three story paths - Remnants/First Order, Rebels, or Renegade/Independent.Of course Disney would never greenlight this shit, EA is too lazy to write it, the Nubellion is too pussified to do it, the Numpire is too stupid to even need trick'd, and the Rebellion can't deal a blow to the Empire when Rey could do it instead.
>>64005481To be fair, this kind of stupidity didn't originate in nucanon. In Legends, only a handful of clones on 66 day stopped to wonder if the CIS was trying to pull a psy-op, despite the fact that many of them were standing in the middle of active war zones with droids still clanking around. That doesn't excuse the idiocy of Cinder, just pointing that bit out.
>>64005508Yeah they're both pretty stupid examples, though I suppose you can at LEAST say with 66 the clones were under the impression the Jedi were doing a hostile takeover, and on the battlefield there isn't much time to question each other's motives when you think it's kill or be killedCinder is like if when JFK was assassinated the US Army was then ordered to drop nukes on every major city on the east coast because it "shows them we're still in charge" and everyone just jumping at the chance to do it
>>64005508The explanation is right there in AotC:>You'll find they are totally obedient, taking any order without question. We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent.It's telling that in the EU, the majority of the 'defective' clones who didn't have their higher thought processes Indoctrinated away by Palpatine's trigger phrase were clone commandos.
>>64005554I think it's a little more complicated than that. The clones were obedient but had their own personalities and ideas, usually. You see clones who regret the Order but still do it, clones who refuse to do it, clones who do it as any other task, and clones who happily do it. They had their own ideas on the Jedi and I think that would affect how they took it. Someone like Commander Cody regretted doing it because he liked the Jedi -- alternatively, you get a clone who didn't like the Jedi and it'd be like pic related.There's no fathomable motive for anyone to go along with Cinder or at the very least not suspect something is very, very wrong.
>inb4 brain chips
>>64005554The marketer in me always took that line as corporate puffery, like "best ribs in town" or "kills 99.9% of germs and bacteria." It just seems a bit off that if Mace had decided to broadcast Order 65 before making his move on Palps, the clones would have just shrugged and rolled with it.
>>64005599>Execute Order 66.>Yes, my lord.>Execute Order 66.>It will be done, my lord.At no point in that montage do any of the clones ask themselves "Wait, who is this scrotum faced wizard and why is he telling us to frag our officers in cold blood?". Because, at a genetic level, they were always meant to have their free wills erased by the those three words. They're zombies by that point. Zombies with guns.
>>64005632presumably there was a definition of the order taught to them beyond "kill the jedi"it was probably known as "contingency plan in case the jedi try to take over/kill me (palpatine)" and so when he issues it it's not so much a manchurian trigger phrase but more of a "oh shit it's happening" thing that they know and have prepped for
>>64005632Then again, that brings up the question of potentially contradictory orders coming up at the same time. Suppose 66 had been issued by Palps at the same time or close to the same time as 65 by a legislative majority. Do the clones stop and try to work things out? Do they call in a lawyer to determine which one takes precedence? Do they just shoot up both Palps and the Jedi to be absolutely sure?
>>64005653But who's calling them? How did he get on that channel? Why is he the one telling them Order 66 is in effect?Those are questions most of the clones don't ask. They just inform their master that they will indeed do what he created them to do: kill the Jedi.>>64005658>implying any of the non-66 Orders had been Manchurian Candidated into their souls like 66 was
>>64005686>Manchurian CandidatedDepends on the writer. Nucanon had chips. Legends writers flip-flopped between straight brainwashing and the clones just being too professional to ask the big questions. Battlefront 2's narration regarding 66 doesn't sound like the stereotypical spy fiction trigger phrase shenanigans so much as the clones just putting aside personal reservations and bandwagoning.
X-wing 2.0: what's the best Resistance squadron? XXX, XXA, XXAA, XXXA or something with Falcon?I dislike the new movies, but T-70 and RZ-2 are so much fun.
>>64005770>I dislike the new movies, but T-70 and RZ-2 are so much fun.I give them a pass as they're pulled straight from McQuarrie's original concept paintings for the x and a-wings. Ralph would probably be pleasantly amused by his early designs being used as later developments of the refined designs.Was hoping the A-wing would begin to be brought back to it's Jedi-service pedigree with the rise of a new republic personally, but it was not in the cards.
>>64005958Although I guess design credit actually goes to Caldwell.
Wow, I've only gradually become able to stomach Resistance, but... the mid-season trailer actually looks good. It's like the show is finally getting started.It helps that they did indeed have the main character start pulling his head out of wherever it was crammed, as he gets a clue and starts to grow up.
>>64006182>Wow, I've only gradually become able to stomach Resistance, but... the mid-season trailer actually looks good. It's like the show is finally getting started.>It helps that they did indeed have the main character start pulling his head out of wherever it was crammed, as he gets a clue and starts to grow up.And so help me, if some horse's ass calls me a shill for finding some enjoyment where I can...
>>64005958>Was hoping the A-wing would begin to be brought back to it's Jedi-service pedigree with the rise of a new republic personally, but it was not in the cards.TIE fighters have a better "Jedi service pedigree" than A-wings. Kylo and Maul were cowards, using such a souped-up shit when the Force works just fine.
>>64006199But you already just called yourself a shill, so nobody else needs to.
>>64006276"Suped" up. From super. As in super charged.
>>64006291I never knew that.
>>64006276>the Force works just fineObi-Wan, Luke, Plo Koon, Yoda, Kit Fisto, and Anakin had no issues about backing the Force up with shields, ordnance, and hyperdrives.
>>64006290>But you already just called yourself a shill, so nobody else needs to.That's... not how this language works.Is this part of all of the bickering we get here; poor reading comprehension skills?Thanks for the xenotuber, though.
>>64006276I was referring to a redevelopment towards the delta-7, which is grandfather to both the A-wing and TIE program. It served many more jedi with greater distinction than any one-off riced-out sithmobile. Although Maul's ship is legit.
>>64006391Not that anon, but he's likely referring to the Eta-2, which served as the Jedi interceptor during the Clone Wars.
>>64006367Actually it was an excuse to post Admiral Potatobar, however let us not act as if you didn't yourself, and for some strange reason, feel the need to bring up the implication of shilldom - and in a separate post even. You basically called yourself out and without even needing to, which itself was worth a response. Basically you should just grow a thicker skin, like, say, a certain potato.
>>64006450It is a sexy potato.
>>64005599I'm not defending Disnep here (I'm as horrified by TLJ and the Aftermath series as any), but...To be fair, Palpatine had been slowly corrupting the Empire for 23 years by this point. Ensuring Star Destroyers had villainous names, enslaving former enemies/malcontents, ravaging planets to fuel the Death Star. This is the bloke who managed to corrupt the Jedi's greatest hero and turn him into Darth Vader in 13 years. (The same amount of time it took him to turn a Republic into an Empire, mind you). Imagine what he could do with another 10 and no Jedi to interfere with his plans.This also means that any Imperials with doubts have had plenty of time to defect - the Death Star was the perfect opportunity. The Imps who remain by the time Cinder is declared are already in very deep - they've been complicit in so many atrocities for so long that they may well feel there is no way out, or be so indoctrinated that the idea of treason is utterly abhorrent to them. Page 156 of the Book of Sith does a really good job of explaining the technique Palps uses to create willing slaves.So I'm not surprised that so many people followed it. It is a shame that those who rejected it went full circle and joined the Rebels instead of trying to form an Empire that lived up to its promises (Remnant style). Imagine if Iden had rallied those Imperials who rejected Cinder to her cause in BF2 - staying true to the Empire she believed in and watching the Imperials she fought become more and more twisted until they had almost nothing in common, bar the armour. It's a neat way of getting around the media blackout on seeing the First Order form or anything in the Unknown Regions.
>>64006499Never forget the snackrifice of all these delicious porgtatos. Curse you, Chewie, you hungry bastard.
>>64006561>Imagine if Iden had rallied those ImperialsGiven her lack of charisma, it's hard to imagine her being much of a draw. Building a Remnant would require someone much bigger, on the level of Pellaeon or Grant.
>>64006634Don't forget Daala! Everyone alway forgets about Daala...
>>64006726Daala wasn't really charismatic, just ruthless and... well, the only one left with any sense.
>>64005632>They're zombies by that point. Zombies with guns.IN YOUR HEEEEEAAD
>>64005632>>64005653>>64005658I've always preferred the notion that there is no chip, and no genetic tampering beyond what is stated in AotC. Chips feel like a copout. Find it more interesting to explore what creating millions of men with the express purpose of being expendable does to them. While Jedi have higher priority than any individual clone, once Order 66 comes up, they have to go, whether the clone likes it or not, as their entire lives have revolved around putting mission objectives above their own priorities. So when a high priority order comes through from the absolute highest authority in the Republic, not following it is anathema to the vast majority of clone troopers.
>>64007334at the end of the day, the brain chips exist as a narrative tool for TCW to explain to children why the clones would turn on the Jedi without getting too "war is hell" on them. it basically IS a cop out. a potentially necessary one (for the purpose of the show) but a copout nonetheless
>>64005770Right now, it seems like it's XXAA, the I5's.We'll see if their points change or not, though.
>>64006634Huh. I straight-up didn't think of anyone who wasn't a disnep strong womyn of colour for the role.Damn it mouse.
>>64007484Nah fuck that, full Trevor. Those kids need to know why always doing what you're told is bad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AdClmPD6r4
>>64007524>>64006634>Iden tries to rally people agains Emps>just comes off as the generic scolded commando who has it out for the government from 80-90s action movies
>>64000163An IVP cutter or a Skipray Blastboat
>>64007974one skipray vs. 2+ x-wings is not going to end well for the skipray.
>>64004410>Assuming he was highly gifted and the son of a well-respected planetary governor, how high up could a young Imperial navy officer get within a short time after graduating from the academy?In the Imperial system he might be a Lieutenant Commander. Which means he could command a corvette or be XO on a frigate.
>a more elegant weapon...>montage of kenobi watching maul kill jin, battle of geonosis, anakin slaughtering younglings, anakin getting chopped in half, kenobi going into hiding>... for a more civilized time
So let's say Palpatine just zaps Luke to death right away, and is smart about it and doesn't do the whole "take 10 minutes to kill you because I'm an idiot" routine.Does Vader still betray him? It takes Vader a good minute to intervene, so if Palpatine had just been done in one zap, would it still have happened at all?And if Palpatine wasn't preoccupied with Luke for hours and had just killed him, would Palpatine have turned his attention to the space battle, seen what was happening, and been able to evacuate? Since apparently Luke had enough time to drag Vader all around the Death Star and then chat with him a bit and then get on a shuttle (that was oddly unoccupied) and then also escape the blast.
>>64008542>So let's say Palpatine just zaps Luke to death right away, and is smart about it and doesn't do the whole "take 10 minutes to kill you because I'm an idiot" routineThat WAS what the Emperor was trying to do. I don't think you grasp how many points Luke put into his soak. The Emperor DID expect Luke to die exactly when he said he would, so when he didn't, it was probably the first time the Emperor had been wrong for decades. Then EVERYTHING unravelles on him in minutes.
>>64005770>>64005770I wouldn't claim it's the best but I tried Beefed Up Bomber/A/A and it performed pretty wellhttps://raithos.github.io/?f=Resistance&d=v5!s!294:113,186,173,187,174,-1,-1,-1:;239:172,-1,-1,198:;240:172,-1,-1,198:&sn=Gunboat&obs=
Who'd be the Star Wars equivalent of this motherfucker?
>>64010768Doctor Strangelove before he MEIN FUHRERed himself so hard he wound up in a wheelchair. So sad. In-universe equivalent would be that cyborg dude from A New Dawn.
>>64010995incompetent living meme that no one takes seriously even with all his power
>>64010583The least effective moff, whomever that is in your accepted canon.
Did we ever manage to get our hands on a scan for the Dark Empire Sourcebook for the old WEG game, by any chance?
>>64008542He probably wouldn't have even needed to evacuate. If he'd killed Luke sooner he could've taken direct control of the Imperial fleet and had them properly engage. They lost not because the Rebel fleet beat them, but because they had their hands tied behind their backs 90% of the fight and when they did finally realize something was wrong their commanding officer died in a freak accident shortly followed by their Emperor.As for Vader, I doubt it. Palpatine could easily pull a "I only told him to kill you to trick him" thing and Vader would be upset but otherwise not murderously angry at him.>>64008673No, he wasn't trying to kill Luke until the very end. Until then he was just torturing him, pretty justifiably given all Luke had done before and during their encounter. If he wanted to kill him he could've killed him at any moment. Endor Palpatine was only marginally weaker physically but even stronger in the Force than RotS Palpatine, and if he could fry Mace and chuck him out the Windu in a few seconds then, he could disintegrate Luke if he tried.
>>64005686They would know who Palpatine is. This is after he let himself get lightning'd so he looks scarred up but he's not hiding his identity from them. That's the Chancellor and he's giving them the contingency order related to a Jedi takeover.
>>64011605The Chancellor is not a wizard with a scrotum for a face, and he does not sound like how a wizard with a scrotum for a face would sound.
>>64008495>Luke, did I ever tell you about the lightsaber? A most honorable weapon, an elegant weapon of a more civilized age. In fact, this one is the one I used to dismember and disembowel your father. I can still hear his screams of agony, and that was before the lava reached him and burned him alive.>And he was a good friend.
>>64011645>a wizardHe does nothing to indicate he's a wizard.>scrotum for a facePalpatine was said to be proud of his scars and didn't hide them or seek cosmetic surgery after the fact, not because they made him look scary or scroty but because he wore them as proof the Jedi attacked him and indicative of his sacrifice, despite them of course being (semi) self-inflicted. If he's got burn scars all over him and this is the order related to the Jedi trying to murder him and take over, it isn't a stretch for a Clone Commander to assume shit has gotten real and the Chancellor's life, and potentially all of the Clones', is in danger.
>>64011702>palp scarsEU wise at least, but the point is this is after he's stopped hiding his identity.
>>64008495The civilized time of the lightsaber was pre-Phantom Menace you baka. You know, the thousand years of peace and prosperity after Ruusaan?
>>64006449Ah, so that's were the misunderstanding occurred. I remember the Eta-2 as a redevelopment/progression of the Delta-7 during the course of the clone wars, but it seems that's not canon anymore.
>>64011731The thousand years of no galactic-wide conflict but numerous local conflicts where the Jedi were said to intervene, and prosperity mixed with stagnation and strife?Nah man, the sword designed to slice people open with the flick of a wrist ain't very civil.
>>64011773The SWORD was elegant. The TIME was civil.No weapon has ever been civil.
>>64011773I mean, at least the lightsaber will cauterize (most) wounds. It's better than a vibro-weapon, massive lacerations with every cut.
>>64011773The lightsaber is a philosophical statement as much as it is a weapon. You can deflect blaster bolts with it, and the vast majority of Jedi can't kill you from the other side of a room with it like any damn fool can with a gun.
>>64011803So does a flamethrower.You have a point though.
>>64011490No idea if you didmega #!ih90ASQS!G-ZzqWJm3HKzE91WvSHsOQ0osr2I8QZ5crgLFKwa1Jg
S-foilfags can fuck right off.
>>64011897>sluttiest ship of the Rebellion running around without all its armor
>>64011897>>64011968I only fly A,X or B-wings in games, but even still I fucking love Y-wings
>>64011887Oh, thank you kindly, anon. I'd searched every archive the board had to offer with no success (including the one at the top of the thread, perhaps someone should get on that) where did you find this?
>>64012128Fuck if I know. I have the actual sourcebook but this is a really bootleg version.
>>64012140Well, so far it seems alright, might take me a while to finish it, but thanks nonetheless.
>>64005481What's stupid is that anybody in their right mind would even go through with it. I mean sure maybe some of Palps dark side adepts and COMPNOR diehards might just be crazy enough to actually carry it out. But effectually all I could see really happening is Imperial yes men saying 'sure Sheev I'll commit indiscriminate murder in your name once you're gone' and then turning tail the second the Emperor dies and using these death machines to hold planets hostage so they can pretend to be emperor over their local systems.Also, no, Operation Cinder is way too fucked up to ever be a rebel plan. You don't liberate dead people.
>>64005481>that dumbass who still doesn't get that the Rebel Alliance are romanticized good guy freedom fighters, and not the terrorists he wants them to be and keeps trying to make them intoTiresome at this point.
A lot of the ice planets we see (Hoth, Rhen Var, Orto Plutonia, etc.) are pretty desolate. What would an ice planet with actual civilization be like?
>>64012636>>64012636>>64012636Non-Bait threadignore the other one
>>64012414Cinderdroids were indeed only sent to those the Emperor was certain would carry out his wishes. If you are uncertain how he's aware he can trust them he IS an evil wizard who can sense the future and read people like books. Besides, it isn't just that Cinder asked you to obey for no reason, there is a payout. The resurrection of the Empire from the ashes. If you're shocked, shocked that they would also heed the orders of a dead man (seriously, stop listening to rebel propaganda) recall that the Empire is filled with people who willingly follow any order no matter how dark or questionable because you know precisely what happens to those who question. After all, if you're high enough ranked you've probably put a fair few of the doubters to death in your time.