We're on boys.https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/ravnica-allegiance-2018-12-17?fu
Wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being a great common to grab up in drafts. There's so many good enchantments this set.
>>63992821This seems really powerful for a common removal.
With all the white ETB effects, this is gonna be great.
>>63992465>twilight panter>undercity scavanger>act of treason>skewer the critics>stony strength>growth spiral>rakdos roastaboutMy pauper cube peepee is hard.
too bad this isn't 2 mana. It would be great to force fags to actually play a game of magic.
>>63992970act of treason has been a card since forever.
D E E P E S TL O R E
>>63993098underwater ocean in ravnica was such a bullshit thing to introduce.
>>63993124It does feel a bit odd because of the Undercity. Does that mean Golgari reign the ocean? Or is the ocean below even them?
I'm confused on the lore of this one. The fuck is happening?
I like the reprint of Junktroller. I needed one. The rest of the new spoilers are the typical draft chaff. I wonder why they hid the fact that ferocious on a fuckton of commons. What is that about?I know that this matters to literally no one but me, but I like that Ravnica Ogres are defined by hating Defender.
>>63993201The rain puddles are showing a better future? I don't know my Ravnica lore that well but I don't remember oracles on the plane. Would be cooler if it scry'd
If story cards dont count for prerelease promo, orzhov only has 6 options.
>>63993262>>63993201Psychic Vampire at work
A lot of Dimir flavor in this set. I've seen like 5 blue cards with it.
>>63993177It's simply not under the same place. The undercity doesn't extend to everywhere below ravnica, although there are probably paths linking to the sea
>>63993098How dumb is this? Reefs don't live in deep dark waters, they live right below the surface where there is plenty of light.
>>63993276The card where he mentions Dovin is great
>>63993201The reflected guy might be someone, but this art is too small.
>>63993301Why does coral need light? Genuinely curious.
>>63993301Don't question nu-lore
>>63992465That IS a strong limited card.
>>63992465Another limited beater.
>>63993301Deep water corals are a thing anon, although they don't quite reach abyssal levels like the card seem to suggest
>>63993319Coral get their colour from algae within the polyps. The algae photosynthesize, so need light.
>>63993201There’s only one person walking. Look at the reflection.
>>63993319They survive off of the algae that lives in them, and the algae needs sunlight
>>63993319They have symbiotic algae within them that provides them their food. The algae need light to perform photosynthesis. The deeper you go in water, the less light is able to penetrate.
>>63993330It seems mediocre. 2/3 flyier for 4 is below the curve.
Hey, this card is actually pretty decent!
>>63993350>>63993363>>63993368Man, all three of ya’ll knew this of the top of your heads? Now I feel like a dummy. That’s cool to know though. Not that it really matters for a fantasy setting version of it. I wonder if the flavor text writer just didn’t know that.
>>63993177>Lazav knows about Walkers
The saga concludes. Poor guy. He just wanted to smash.
>>63993301But that card doesn't say they live in deep dark waters. It says the light is dim and blue.
7/7 trample the turn it attacks, above the curve
Wow the set is shit. Way to drop the ball after somewhat decent first set.We've reached the point where Hearthstone of all things have more exciting card sets than Mtg.
>>63993393Thanks for the vote of confidence but I just googled it my dude. And yeah, the lore writer definitely didn't google it.
>>63993441I like this set significantly more than the last set. Both are middle of the road sets though.
>>63992465AYO HOL UP FLYER BOIS! WE SMASH!
>>63993420So Kaya is solidly entrenched as #1 of Orzhov to the point that everybody else is terrified of her.
Yet another weird enchantment. This set loves enchantments.
>>63993441Last set didn't have Gruul.
>>63993453I mean, it is different googling an answer for a question you know exists vs. googling an answer for a question you didn’t even think of. I mean, I guess he could have googled facts about coral prior to referencing it in flavor text, but you get what I mean. Not a big deal though. It is like the people who complained about dinosaurs with both scales and feathers since the genome that turns scales into feathers can’t do it halfway. It just doesn’t matter really.
The simic seems to create something to btfo Bolas.
>>63993483I'm surprised there's so many enchantments but not a lot of interaction with them
>>63993468That girl isn’t even black, you cocksucker.
>>63993500There was no mistake. The flavor in that card says that the light is dim and blue. Not that it doesn't exist.
>>63993513Kek. That's some pretty hilarious logic.
Why doesnt this use X?
>>63993500"It just doesn't matter really" should be an autoreply to every comment in spoiler threads
>>63993537Simic support in red? Neat?
Why didn't the last set have these cycle of cards with additional alternate color costs?
>>63993537Here, read it:When ~ enters the battlefield, creatures you opponents control with power less than or equal to X, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on creatures you control, can’t block this turn. It just is hard to parse that way since the actual two relevant bits are near the bottom and split up. You can fuck with it but the editor decided this was as good as it gets.
>>63993402He has a walker baby being raised by his people right now.
>>63993588Kek on flavour
>>63993567it's not simic support, it's grull support. Boith guilds share the theme of counters.
>>63993588that type of chromatic aberration is fake as fuck. Please, wizards, never use it again
So should I pick up a box of this or skip it?
>>63993643>chromatic aberrationnigga do you even know what chromatic abberation is?
I like it.
>>63993702I'd skip it unless you're just in it for the chuckles.The value of this set isn't great overall
Hello, did anyone order a common Spectacle enabler?
>>63993728Yeah, usually I buy a box just for the excitement but this is looking underwhelming aside from a couple choice cards.
>>63993702No don't waste your money on a box unless you REALLY like limited with friends Buy singles
>IT'S A PRANK!
>>63993745Someone was asking exactly for this a few spoiler threads ago. Vampire Neonate equivalent.
>>63993708Fake colors that are produced by the lens in photography. Some digital artists abuse this to an extreme while rendering. It's a gimmick and it's in poor taste.
>>63993745This is unironically overpowered considering how good many spectacle spells are.
Get ready to see this card a lot, lads. Wilderness Reclamation is here. This is Gruul territory now.
>>63993798>>63993588in that piece of crap, I mean art, it looks like pixelation due to low light and a very poor quality sensor, but it amounts to the same thing: it's bad art. I'm surprised the artist is not Chinese.
>>63993643>never seen nils hamm beforedon't comment on the technicality of art if you have no idea what's going on
>>63993851That card is already in Standard. It was in M19. What's your point?
When did you realize that Rakdos and Azorious mechanics were the same? I.e. main phase restrictive
>>63993265I watched a guy open a promo Assassin's Trophy three months ago, so I'm fairly confident they're on the table. That should give us seven options, the lowest impact of which I'd say is either Godless Shrine or Kaya.
>>63993798>>63993863ok, so you know what that is, but you sure as hell can't identify it cuz it ain't so. It's just how Nills hamm paints.
>>63993391Best art (aside from Bankrupt in blood)
>>63993391>dies to whirly boyI dunno man
Goes great with that 1/3 that gives taps for 3 mana of any type you own if you give it a counter.
>>63993926Are you shitting me, dracula
>>63993965Not him but it's pretty good. I don't know if it's the best art in the set but it's one of the better ones I've seen.
>>63993910I would unironically break his computer so he stops doing it, he knows how to render and make pleasant artThat one is not so flagrant but it's still bad. The arches on the backdrop of the crocodile make me sick. .
>>63993851We already have that, and no one really plays that except token decks in the SB/Turbofog. That art and flavor are shit compared to the M19 one, anyway.
>>63994128Maybe Nils Hamm knows better than you, anon.Typically I don't like appeals to authority, but I'm just saying, he is the traditionally trained artist. Who are you? What's your complaint? That his style is blurry? Was Vincent Van Gogh shitty at painting too?
>>63993432Weird that there are two creatures with the "Creatures with counters have trample" gimmick in the same set
>>63994128>I would unironically break his computerthat wouldn't help you much cuz he mostly paints traditionally.
>>63994223Too bad both those cards suck compared to one from Ixalan
>>63994184Everybody and his sister is using this type of cheap tricks for style and they should stop. Mimicking how poor technology reproduces reality is not in the same park as what the Impressionist achieved.
>>63993407Oof. Fun for kids tho
>>63994310He is actually painting. With paint. From scratch.You don't know anything you pretentious hipster.
Huh. Was not expecting this immediate reprint.
>>63993509It was supposed to be an orzhov thing but they changed it late in the process
Rip Orzhow in limited.
>>63994354Kino flavor switch
>>63993574Both sets had different cycles and identical ones
>>63993301>How dumb is this? Reefs don't live in deep dark waters, they live right below the surface where there is plenty of light.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-water_coralLife, uh, finds a way.
>>63994341He is just doing with paint what other digital artists of the "a dime a dozen" variety make- Good for him if he is doing it ironically then!
I just realized that they accidentally switched the flavor between the back Gruul Guildgate and Stomping Grounds . What a bunch of goofs.
>>63994434Fuck you're right
>>63994423jeez just how dumb can you get, I thought we got over it already - that isn't chromatic abberation.
>>63994434Huh. So they just. Fucked up and didnt break the cycle
>>63992839>Angry rakdos qt experiences BDSM, Azorius-styleI wonder which guild will treat her worse...
>>63993054Considering giving all your shit haste as an enchantment is usually 3 mana, riot being better haste, AND this giving counter protection, there's no way it would have cost 2. I'm honestly surprised it only costs THREE. This is the kind of thing they'd usually slap another 1-2 onto.
>>63994524This. It could cost 4 and it would still be great.
>>63993383it is literally on-curve for the common slot. Have you ever played limited m8?
>>63993483Maybe meant to be a spectacle trigger, although it seems like there are better tools for that
>>63994524Problem is that it's nontoken creatures.
>There's actually no Instant Spectacle cardAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING. WHY WOULD YOU POINT OUT THAT SHOCKLANDS TRIGGER SPECTACLE IF THERE'S NO WAY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>>63994662I have an explanation for you.New WotC is retarded
>>63994674Let's be real, Wizards has always been retarded.
>>63994478If the color isn't accurately depicted, it is chromatic aberration. Low quality glass or a low quality sensor and bad light are in the same category. The artist is trying to emulate how a bad camera would work. Next step is an artist trying to emulate instagram filters.which I would say it shouldn't be done in magic cards.
>>63994662Is there a card in past sets that give your sorceries flash?
>>63994682hey man, MTG used to be fun and interesting...
>>63994690To alternate costs? Don't think so.
>>63994375lmao this legit fucks the one way Orzhov was gonna win games in limited. Why would you print this? What's the insistence on crippling one guild per cycle?Don't @ me about grindy or control Orzhov in limited either. Rakdos will legitimately do both better and that's a bad Rakdos deck. This is worse than Golgari
>>63994355Do we know what the original was? Why was it changed?
>>63994721Probably because they didn't want Aristocrats meta, but the problem is spectacle enables some mega cancerous burn shit
>>63994737Rakdos seems super efficient and there's a bunch of good Spectacle synergy.
>>63993954Had the same thought. Turn three six mana, not bad.
>>63994375>At fucking commonLooks like we only get 4 factions this time around, boys.
>>63994708Golgari? This is worse than Selesnya.
>>63994798There's also the Retard's Chainwhirler for 3R. You can win game 1 I guess.
>>63994375This also hoses all fucking token decks.Why do they hate tokens so much?
>>63994521>Azorius>fun>>63992892Watch out for Tocatli Honor Guard>>63993343>Oops!>>63993954The untap effect works especially well in that combo.>>63994354Why must the art be identical, though?
>>63993745Straight into lord rakdos
>Simic has turned into literally an un-Faction>Rakdos is just a bunch of evil cartoon clowns, instead of a group of legitimately sadomasochistic psychopaths>Orzhov is unplayable>Gruul's leader is a character from Rugrats>Azorius gets a mechanic that wasn't worthy of being keyworded in the fucking ultimate keyword soup block.Confirmed for this set sucks?
>>63994684>Nills Hamm is trying to replicate how a bad camera works(you)
>>63995101Azorius has a cool mechanic, though. It both gives flexibility and encourages Azorius players to not play like shitters.
>>63995144It's Forecast, but less interesting.
So 3rd pack of the set is going to be straight trash isn't it? This one is pretty mediocre at best>>63995101I mean I agree with you
>>63995158It's Forecast but not broken and useless.
>>63995159Depends on which characters they kill.
>>63994375this is not even that good against constructed orzhov. the real problem will be beating cry of the carnarium. I don't get why nobody seems to be talking abou that card. it can legit 1 turn win against phoenix decks and orzhov potentially
>>63995191>Orzhov>Seeing any constructed playlmfao
>>63995191It's more of a sideboard card than anything else though.
>>63993468How the fuck is she not a giant? Also I'm voting for trolling outside the /b/. Mind you - voting not reporting
>>63995251sure, depending on much aggro decks see constructed. but its amazing at what it does. this legit forces sideboarding your whole gameplan out if you play phoenix or want to take advantahe of any amoumt of afterlife
>>63995214hey, you can be damn sure i will lose a whole bunch of magic games trying
>>63995255She has reach because she's in a tree with a slingDon't think about it too much
https://www.twitch.tv/loadingreadyrunRavnica Allegiance Pre-Release for those that want it.
>>63995366Based Marshall is on!
Its jace and liliana>>63993201>>63993310
>>63995348>>63995348I mean the art Anon. Look at this - the skull on her arm, the trees, the fucking scale. It's a giant art but for some reason used on a human card.
>>63995440The perspective is fucky I will admit but look at the leaves for scale
>>63995101>Rakdos isnt sadiomascohisticExcept all the cards with them stabbing, cutting and fuckinh drilling into people's heads for fun you mean?
>>63995101The Obzedat was also kill
>>63993588>>63993537When ~ ETB, creatures with power less than or equal to the total number of +1/+1 counters on creatures you control can't block this turn."Count the number of +1/+1 counters" is a fucking retarded piece of rules text. I also got rid of "creatures your opponents control" since most of the time this ETBs it'll be on your turn anyway.
>>63994281>A 4/4 for 4 that draws a card on ETB and acts as a late game mana sink is worse than a 2/3 for 4.You're a funny guy anon.
>>63995735Lategame you have much better manasinks than 6 mana for a single +1/+1 counter, and making all your shit unblockable is better than giving it trample. Simic also has a lot of card draw already.
>>63995101Rakdos was always a bunch of evil cartoon clowns. The proper depiction of Rakdos is hedonism and entertainment with a very overt S&M subtext.
>>63995770>6 mana for a single +1/+1 counterOh, you're illiterate. That actually explains quite a bit.>Simic also has a lot of card draw already.Oh okay, so lightning bolt is a bad card because "Red has a lot of burn already"? A card that cantrips is better than an identical card that doesn't. A 4/4 at 4cmc that cantrips is better than a 2/3 at 4cmc that doesn't. You're literally retarded for thinking otherwise.
>>63995686>>63993588That's not the issue with these rewrites, it's that the number of counters can vary. The way the card is now, if you had 5 counters when it entered the battlefield, gaining or losing more doesn't matter. With this change, if you use adapt or the enemy destroys a creature, you have to recount.
>>63995825Except the other card isn't "identical." It makes all your creatures with counters unblockable. Which is better because Merfolk is a type of deck that wins on turn 5.
Pay respects to Orzhov guys it's all ogre now. Guess I'll just throw the new vampires into a legion deck and cry.
>all the guilds are mere caricatures of their former selfs>even the orzov leaders were unironically replaced by fucking Kaya with a lesbianism subplot>set is below average in card quality>some guilds like Orzhov are unplayable>control cards were gutted>aggro cards are super pushed>Wizards pushing BO1 games in paper>card design now reflects the BO1 design philosophythis is set is garbage for all the previously mentioned and more
>>63996106What? Theres no lesbianism
>>63996106Where'd you get those last two? I mean I believe you, but why?
>>63996106>Changing reality to match your biases, the post.
>>63996119I think he's trying to say that Kaya and Tesya are going to be lesbians. However, I do concur with him that I'm not a fan of how the guilds are, how aggro is being pushed because control hurts people's feelings, and the god damn card quality. That's what pisses me off the most. Cheap art and cheap cardstock.
>>63996106Anybody have the pushing BO1 tweet? That's the saltiest I got.
>>63996119Don't let WotC hear your bigoted LGBTQQIP2SAA erasure Kaya and Teysa are AWESOME together SMASHING the patriarchy Death to old dead white males#timesup
>>63996192There is nothing thatbimplies that other than they have a working relationship. And the Kaya crashes the company they both work at into the ground
>>63996164>>63996229>Where'd you get those last two? I mean I believe you, but why?https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/best-of-one-standard-is-the-future-its-already-clear-from-the-card-design-of-ravnica-allegiance/https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/aemfal/wizards_is_going_to_try_some_in_store_quick_drafts/https://old.reddit.com/r/spikes/comments/aemmdd/discussion_wotc_to_try_quick_draft_bo1_in/
>>63995101>Rakdos is just a bunch of evil cartoon clowns, instead of a group of legitimately sadomasochistic psychopathsGood desu
This set sucks>Design-wise too safe and creatively bankrupt (hurr d-sphere on a creature, simic is +1 counters!) >Power level low except a couple mythics and some green enchantment that says untap all landsCall me up in April for the next set. I imagine they'll push the power level on that one.
>>63996164WotC design is changing card design to to cater to Arena over paperBasically the game is fucked
>>63996229also see: >>63976612
>>63996240Sarcastic /pol/tard posts are consistently the unfunniest on this board.
>>63995774Yeah, I'm tired of the "This guild used to be DEEP and UNIQUE and it sucks now" shtick. They're basically all the same.
>>63994684the most stupid poster on /tg/ right now
>>63994354>chamber of the guildpact fallen silent>promise brokenGOD FUCKING DAMNIT JACE YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB
>>63996343He's still stuck in Ixalan, isn't he?
>>63993420This bitch has to ruin every Orzhov card one way or another doesn't she?
>>63996355No wtfIn fact he met Azor on Ixalan, and killed him
>>63996272I hate this company.
>>63995366>Welcome back to the Guilds of Ravnic- no, Ravnica Allegiance™ Pre-Prerelease!
>>63996241I'm not implying that there is, I said "I think he's trying to say that...". I don't give a shit about the stories. I give a shit about the game.
>>63996300You're empirically wrong The game has become shallow and boring to enfranchised players just to cater to dumbfuck new players But keep sucking corporate WotC cock
>hexproof from still a thingREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63996272>players love this format on arenahow can a company be this dumb? you literally made it the only way to draft for free and the only way to efficiently convert standard currency into the premium way. Of course it's popular.
Gruul just won against Orzhov within 5 turns. 20-0
>>63996511who thought it would go any other way?
>>63996511the Gruul deck seems better but the Orzhov player was mana screwed
>>63996511Orzhov is just really weak, seemingly on purpose. They seem to have no real theme. Much like how their leadership was killed.Meanwhile Gruul is nothing but value creatures
>>63996041Fuck it lets try for round two>be me, Teysa Karlov>born with a bum leg, but I didnt let that get me down>part of a rich guild, relative to a council member, I was pretty set>thingscanalwaysbebetter.scroll>through my own merit, earn a high ranking spot in the guild>use my power for good, trying to curb the greed of the obzedat and help people>eventually decide to decorrupt the guild by replacing the obzedat>suddenly me and my buddy tajic get busted trying to make our move>everything goes downhill from there>uncle takes my cripple stick>dark otherwordly magic forces attempt to remove my boobs>lose my position in the guild>in a last ditch effort hire some black chick to help me >bitch doesnt follow my plan at all, just shanks the entire council while shouting "FUCK THE PATRIARCHY">accuses them of rape when they try to defend themselves>feel demeaned because I was actually raped>at least now I can lead the guild....>she declares herself ruler because "WE WUZ QUEENZ N SHIEET">she frees all the workers and removes their debt>OH GOD WE'RE RUINED>cant afford good spirits or thrulls anymore>BBWW now gets you a limp wristed faggot of a spirit>watch the guild burn from my cardboard box in the alleyway>no option left>go to drown myself in one of the blood fountains>she fucking replaced the blood with cherry koolaid
>>63995144Name three good addendum cards that will at least see play in standardMust have "addendum" in the card
>>63996633WB keeps getting punished because we voted for the Legion of Dusk in their stupid polls.
>>63996393Ain't shallow or boring to me. You don«'t speak for all enfranchised players.
>>63996650Teysa can always prostitute herself and make good money off itLike in THAT Hells Kitchen episode
>>63996673Arrester's Zeal - LimitedSummary Judgement - LimitedUnbreakable formation - constructed and limitedPrecognitive Perception - Limited and maybe constructed
>>63996511Orzhov as a guild is shit, their good cards are destined to be put to better use in a three color deck. Grindy aritocrats with recursion
>>63996511based and rhinopilled
>>63996775>better Steel Leaf that's splashable and doesn't die to bolt>can be run alongside regular steel leaf and come out on turn 3simbly ebin
>>63996650Boros will come and save you with our hot qt. redheads, Teysa. Don't worry. Ignore Intervention's art, she got dunked in a vat of skullmead.
>>63996726Limited doesn't matter, that's sad and you're sad
>>63996814steel leaf champion costs 3 mana and is a 5/4 tho
>>63996775I swear WotC's flavor text just keeps getting worse and worse.
>>63996814>better Steel Leafit's much worse.
>>63996759Went like this>restaurant is drowned in debt >the owner is a blonde female bimbo that inherit the place from his father, whose family for generations were proud chefs>girl owner is a retard at management and worsens the debt every month>Ramsey is sent to savage this shit>he does his best>trains the staff>new menu>restaurant itself is improved with lots of brand new equipment>talks with the Girl Owner and tries to stop her from being a dumb fuck>episode ends, all seems well>months later restaurant still drowning in debt because the dumb bimbo still had retarded practicesThen she sold everything, closed the place and became an expensive prostituteYou can even google it
>>63993745>>63993793Yes this is exactly what I wanted.
>>63996684You shouldn't speak at all until you spit or swallow from having WotC's dick in your mouth
>>63996650>use my power for good, trying to curb the greed of the obzedat and help peopleWhat does the Orzhov do that's actually good, though? They seem like all the worst aspects of B and W together
>>63996650>>use my power for good, trying to curb the greed of the obzedat and help peoplepfah, good one.
>>63996650Can I walk over to Teysa and help her out of the new Cherry Kruul-Aid fountain and offer for her to get a bath and fresh change of clothes back at my place? I feel bad for her.
>>63996909I see now why everyone wants a son.
>>63997100You gonna make her some eggs, too, you sick fuck?
>>63997140If she’s hungry, sure! I can make a mean omelet.
>>63997164>I can make a mean omeletSure, newfag
>>63997100don't get her wrong, she's still richer than your whole lineage could ever be.
>>63997164>omeletDissapointed, but I think she's safe.
>>63997100>>63997164Look at this plebbit-tier cringe and laugh
>>63997040>implying that watching someone attempting to talk with a cock stuck in their mouth isn't hot as fuck
>>63997173She’s living in the streets and anon is living in an apartmentFucking what
>>63997169She has to eat the entire omelet obviously>>63997218I can’t believe you’d walk past a qt 120 year old cripple gf in need
>>63996824Not him, but Draft is literally the only format that matters.
>>63997066They genuinelly helped people.>Got arrested for a new bullshit Azorius law that showed up three seconds ago in microscopic type on a gazette the other side of the planet? Our lawyers will help you.>Got maimed by the latest Rakdos/Gruul/Izzet/Boros shenanigans and don't want to be half fish? Our healers will help you.>Suspect the Dimir/Golgari are after you? Our bodyguards will help you.>Selesnya girls don't put out? Our angel prostitutes will.They just happen to charge for their services, and the price is often your soul. But without them ravnicans are much more defenseless to the other guilds' bullshit and the plane if fact has lost the spirit army that could have stopped Bolas' Eternal army.
So I'm pretty new to MTG, just started when MTGA entered open beta, so my frame of reference is really limited but is this set just bad? I'm looking through all the cards and I can count all of them that I'm actually excited for on one hand
>>63997436Yeah, Guilds of Ravnica was better than this. And Dominaria was obviously leagues above it. This is the weakest non-Core set in a while. Gruul and Simic should be fun to draft, if nothing else.
>>63997436for standard is exciting, for modern and legacy its the weakest set that has been released in awhile, according to what I heard from some people i hang out with in my LGS.
>>63997467Hope this leaves a real mark on Standard for the good. I want to play Gruul.
>>63997436I’m genuinely more hype for this set than GRN but I’m very Jund biased.
>>63997436>I'm looking through all the cards and I can count all of them that I'm actually excited for on one handThat is often the case for sets.90% is chaff and 10% is playable/good.Sets were something like 50% of the cards are good are an anomaly, not the rule
>>63997467It doesn't even seem able to upset standard. Golgari will splash some Gruul cards, Teferi will get OP with perfect mana to splash black for better removal and Drakes/Phoenix gets better burn. Everything else is memes.
>>63997504this might be true but we finally have all the shocklands which opens up more builds in standard and that alone is exciting
>Kumar, what the fuck is that?>It's an Imitation Krasis, Ramesh, I told you I bought it from that Simic pet store down the street.>...Why is it leaking? We can't keep it in the house if it's gonna leak, this apartment isn't insured against fluid damage.>Trust me my friend, it will be fine.>Okay, don't blame me when everything goes to hell.The Imitation Krasis is a result of the Simic combining an Octopus, a Chameleon and an Ooze.
>>63995101The Rakdos thing is entirely in your head. They were always murderclowns, and this set doesn't drop their S&M psychopath thing at all.Domri's been around since last Ravnica, and his whole deal has always been the fact that he's the runt who has to fight tooth and nail for his place in the Gruul.
>>63994684I'm consistently amazed by the ability of 4chan posters to find ever stupider hills to die on.
>>63996119Your mistake is assuming the anon you're replying to gives any shits about the reality of the situation.
>>63997698>I'm consistently amazed by the ability of internet users to find ever stupider hills to die on.FTFY because what you just described is true for every part of the internet.
>>63996291Maybe if you keep whining about it'll get better.
>>63997718You're not wrong, but I'd argue 4chan has an especially acute case. We're not alone in that, but I feel like it's only become worse here as time goes on.
>>63997595Domri didn't fight for shit; it dropped into his lap out of convenience to the plot.Ruric Thar and Borbo's absence in depiction is completely unforgivable. Instead we have another literally-who tier centaur girl and a weak effeminate numale at the helm to curb 'toxic masculinity.' It's absolutely crap writing but par for the course from progressive WotC creative.
>>63997795Pretty much this. Domri is so shoehorned you'd think keyla is normal.
>>63997795Everything is a fucking liberal plot according to you /pol/tards.
>>63997795>weak effeminate numale at the helm to curb 'toxic masculinity.'/pol/ is a mental disorderAlso in Nikya's case do you expect them to just use the exact same legends every single time? They always shake it up a little.
>>63997861>reference to one of the youngest mtg world championship winners>not shoehorned liberal plotPick one.
>>63997861By their own admission WotC embraces so called diversity and representation. They a hired a racial consultant to help design the oh so incredibly nuanced character that is Kaya.It's a not a secret that WotC is injecting politically correct culture into the game.
>>63997250the streets BELONG to her.
>>63997994pol btfo.I hope if wotc keeps it up the last poltard will finally leave this threads for good.
>>63998018You just proved my point you nonce
>>63997994>injectingAh, yes, the lethal dose of POISON
>>63998074It really sucks when characters that have been referenced finally get their own cards. They should just print more cards of the same characters over and over like the Jacetice League.
>>63997994>some boxes need to be tickedholy shit, I don't even know whether I should cry or laugh anymore.
>>63998066>pol btfo.Your understanding of what "btfo" means is deeply flawed, as it literally proves /pol/ was right all along and /pol/lacks are crying because shit's being actually fucked.
>>63998157/pol/ hates magic because /biz/ bought out all the eternal staples and now their broke asses can’t afford legacy
>>63998157Yeah. It's not in our heads. We are literally being oppressed here.
>>63998116>xenophobia It's not funny anymore
>>63998236who pays attention to any of this? who gives a fuck about the lore anymore?
>>63998116>>63998236I'm literally shaking right now. Why do we play these cuck's games again? Or discuss them, for that matter? I'm sick of giving these bluepilled numales publicity.
>>63998271Bye, you won't be missed
>>63998236>>63998271>>63998275I agree, you /pol/tards should fuck off and stop giving these cucks publicity. Leave the games for the cucks.
>>63998268>who gives a fuck about the lore anymoreI wouldn't play magic if not for the art and lore. It's the thing that attracts me. Alas, both are under attack.
>>63998294or play the game and not pay any attention to the lore or flavor text like we usually do anyway.
>>63998294Are you sure? They're showing that this is a problem. Are you not interested in showing "problems"?
>>63998275Why do people care about this? Does acknowledging the existence of people other than yourself (for a character who never shows up in stories) scare you that much?
>>63998268It's completely cancerous and you know it
>>63998310Are you feeling oppressed? Persecuted? Ready to rise up?
>>63998294you basically just self-identified as a cuck. congrats.
>>63998330/pol/tards derailing threads to bitch about SJWs are far more cancerous tbqh, lad
>>63998338I'm feeling dissatisfied with something I once enjoyed being diminished and ruined.
>>63998116Whenever someone posts this card it legitimately takes me multiple read-throughs to remember why it triggers /pol/cucks. You have to be deep in that shit to find the flavor text offensive.>>63998275>One-off character who has literally nothing to do with the story uses a genderless pronoun>I-It's a liberal conspiracy to bring about the end of western civilizationSeriously, how can you buy into this cra->cultural marxismOh, I'm dealing with an actual brainlet, understood.
>>63998367Why haven't you fucked off yet? Why do you stick here? In a thread that doesn't want you about a game that doesn't want you either?
>>63997066I have always thought that they were originally an organisation dedicated at fighting the old religion of Ravnica, but became overburdened by wealth through it. The ones that seep through from time to time, with card like sanguine praetor or that new rare that sacs two creatures for edict, card and 2 black mana. I also liek to think that cult of Rakdos is essentially a "theme park version" of that old religion.
>>63998367Thicc af fairy-booty, I always loved blackguards art.
>>63998354>everyone against forcing identity politics into a CCG for 13+ children is /pol/As an 'oppressed' minority, I feel very turned off by all this blatant tokenism and catering to white guilt liberals. WotC doesn't care about people; they care about progressive people's money.
>>63998452Serious question, does the blatant tokenism and pandering feel more racist to you than what it used to be because it's a bunch of white guilt-ed people yelling that you are so oppressed and in need of help?
>>63998416There are members of the Gruul with ties to one of the old religions; they believe in an ancient boar-god that's supposed to wake up one day and destroy the city. Part of what helped push Domri into the guild-leader's seat was their belief that he might be a sort of herald for the boar-god.Sanguine Praetor and Priest of Forgotten Gods seem like hints at some black-aligned member of the old pantheon, as well. The Nephilim play into all of this somehow too, but I forget the exact details.
>>63998452Oh wow, a minority thinks this sucks. Pack it up, folks, don't forget to deliver all your shill accounts to Wizards of the Coast. As of tomorrow, there's no longer any liberal """cancer""" being """injected""" into this children's card game.Fuck off, dude. Go die on your hill to them. Spam them emails or some shit You're just annoying people who can't change this shit even if they agreed with your ridiculous outrage.
>>63998236So hatred makes you immortal?I'm down for that.
>>63998472>le NPC memeThis is probably the laziest bit of /pol/ idiocy. It's literally a chorus of edgy 14-year-olds screaming that they're different from all the 'sheeple'.
>>63998595>being this triggered by being called an NPCwhy are you on the internet, anyways?
>>63998383/pol/tards will be here way after the SJW fad eats itself because if you haven't noticed already, they're the ones who actually care.
>>63998621I'm mostly just baffled by how unimaginative it is. At least basedboy rhymed.Also by the complete lack of self-awareness.>>63998646Imagine being this delusional
>>63998595>dedicates his existance to yelling at people who have their own opinions, insisting that their opinions don't matter and instead they should have opinions that are identical to currently promoted opinions of the "single-minded" progressive society.>gets angry at NPC memecheck out
>>63998703Oh, you can have whatever opinions you want, just go make your own threads instead of derailing this one.
>>63998595Boyo, you already missed your chance. Don't dig the hole any deeper, just make a note to say, "umad" next time before it gets to this point.
>>63998688>how unimaginative it iswhat matters is efficiency, and nothing triggers yo kind more than being referred by yo real name.
>>63998737/tg/ is /pol/ territory now. NPCs can fuck off back to plebbit.
/pol/tardery aside, Wilderness Reclamation has just entered the battlefield.
>>63998703I'm not telling you what to think, I just think you're a brainlet for drinking the /pol/-aid.>>63998690Glad to see you're all finally catching up to leddit humor circa 2010
>>63998501Yes. And its super fucking evident they don't give a shit about real pocs because as soon as you complain that shit's wrong or offensive you're an uncle tom white supremacist who voted for orang man bad.No shit the Legion of Dusk won the votes for Azcanta in Latin America when you remove every single thing about mesoamerican culture from your not-aztecs except the skintone. The River Heralds were more native than the "natives".
>>63998843>I just think you're a brainletyou're aware everyone else thinks you're the brainlet for refusing to use your own brain?
>>63998501Yes, of course. It's incredibly patronizing to say that I 'need to see characters who look like me' to feel comfortable going to events at my LGS or to enjoy the game. I believe in the value of distinct separate cultures working together towards pluralism not necessarily melting pot multiculturalism. That's why I was livid when they retconned Teferi's recognizable Maasai likeness to look more like American blacks (West African descendants of slaves mixed with European whites) just to sell more packs.
>>63998595And yet it works, like it always has.
>>63998863I'm not the one whose entire worldview is informed by people telling me what I want to hear on a korean calligraphy forum.>>63998595>roll eyes at NPC meme>5 separate anons chime in like clockwork to defend it.Yeah that sounds like a bunch of enlightened, independent thinkers alright.
Guildgates are boringAlmost nothing interacts with themAnd if they do, it's not worth building around
>>63998996>5 separate anons chime in like clockwork to defend itmore like 5 separate anons chime in like clockwork to laugh at you. cuz retards are funny, you know?
at least we got some qts in this set. not bad. blade juggler a best though
>>63999092They're kind of a cute build-around for new players (I had some friends who started around RtR who remember them fondly) but I agree that there's only so much you can really do when your foundation is lands that come into play tapped.
>>63999092They're draft fodder to make it easier to play multi-color.
>to enter fnm as a man you should have to chop your dick off>women automatically win against you, otherwise its rape>diversity is our strength>if you dont call me by my appropriate gender (trisexual faggasaurus goblin) ill get the onions judge to dq youFor fucks sake i just wanna play a card game. go open your own tranny only gamestore where you faggots poz eachother and then blow your brains out
>>63999195The persecution of the white male gamer continues.
>>63999315Not for long. We gather our strength and prepare for the rise. Our SJW oppressors will bow down before us soon enough.
>>63999143The obvious solution would be to print something that made them come in untapped, but that might accidentally be something new and interesting and WOTC can't do that
>>63999315Im asian you mindless drone. Why are you assuming my race?
>>63999445Honorary white. Honorary persecuted. The most important part is that you're a man and not a n-word.
>>63999392Maybe, but that might actually run into the weird problem of being a little too straightforward for the weird rogue deckbuilders that enjoy decks like that. Maybe something that untaps them for an unusual cost, or even just more stuff that triggers on gates ETBing (gatefall?).
>>63994375>Orzhov already the worst guild>Yeah let's really screw them this time around anywayFuck Maro and fuck kikes
>>63999775We killed the kikes for you, aren't you happy?
Why are you complaining, you bunch of bigot shitlords?
>>63999143>[Guildmages] are kind of a cute build-around for new players (I had some friends who started around RtR who remember them fondly)The difference between Guilds, Return, and this pile of shit block is that the latest guildmages all have tap symbols to make extra certain that they're awful.
>>64000048They're talking about guild GATES
>>64000048We're talking about gates, anon. I agree that the new guildmages are generally pretty bad, though.
>>63999799Sure you did. Now we have niggers.
>>64000080Oh sorry, it's late and I just got done fucking your sister.
>>63999960This card is about to mill out the dude playing Simic.
Some of the guildmages are OK. I remember at GRN prerelease I made someone concede by just repeatedly gaining 2 life with the golgari one. Suboptimal in constructed but Magic players are all about muh draft so who cares.
>>64000124Yeah, they're more balanced for Draft. But even as a Draft player, I feel like they could be more exciting. Most of them are just there for stalls, except the few ones that draw cards.
>>64000124>Magic players are all about muh draftAre they actually? There's like a couple drafts at my LGS when a new set comes out before they go back to failing to fire standard FNM.
>Guild Kit decklists still not posted anywhereREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>64000183I'm all about Draft. I only play Standard in Arena because it's what gets me gold for more drafts.
>>64000124Yeah, this batch is below-average, but I kind of give them a pass since I imagine they're a pain to design, especially on the third outing. (You have to think up 10 cards, meaning 20 effects, and not have them overlap too much with each other, and the whole time you have to be watching to make sure they don't break anything else in the set)
Yep, the Simic guy just milled himself with Guardian Project lmfao.
>>63994128this art is nice. Childrens book fantasy style. Looks like watercolor.
>>64000317LoadingReadyRun on Twitch, you'd have to go check the archives now, though.Orzhov won a game by milling someone else.
>>63994565soo fucking bad, Thankfully i got my M19s.
>>64000293http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&set=|[%22Shadowmoor%22]|[%22Eventide%22]Tons of cards from that mini block had gorgeous art. Batwing Brume, Beckon Apparition, Cemetery Puca, Crumbling Ashes, Dawnglow Infusion (Rebecca Guay). There's amazing art on complete non-cards everywhere in this set. Fuck nu-MtG art hard.
>>64000443>gatherer.wizards.commate, use scryfall, larger images.
>>64000443I started back around Lorwyn and I really miss the aesthetic it and Shadowmoor had.
>>64000526The biggest tell is the logos that each set has. It's a downward spiral of effort and quality.
>>63994128Ya know, you've mostly been told off already but I still don't think its enough. You can have opinions on what you like and don't like but trying to say you think Nils Hamm is some kind of hack is making you sound like a soul-crushingly stupid asshole, and it only gets worse with each word you utter.
>>63994708Have a tiny ounce of faith. Golgari was the worst of the guilds but it wasn't unplayable. Wizards has been pretty good about their limited formats. We haven't even played with the cards yet.
>>64001137>Wizards has been pretty good about their limited formatsYeah because they've basically printed the same cards for the last few years.
>>64001137Golgari is bad in limited though, and not only that but the top tier "Golgari" deck is just G/B goodstuff with 1 Golgari card
>>63994845It only hits flyers though. As in only spirits.
>>63996393People have been saying that every single set since I started playing back in Innistrad. Every single one.
>>64001137Golgari wasn't that bad. It had at least some great removal.Selesnya were the ones that were fucked the hardest in Drafts.As for Orzhov, it seems like shit and easily the worst guild, but to be fair, on the stream going on right now, it had like 3 wins by now. Not bad.
>>64001480>>64000893They're doing it on purpose.You have to realize that current WotC thinks fantasy is lame and gay and probably for fat incel losers. They want everything to be sleek like Marvel movies and for the crowd that likes "nerd shit" but "ironically."That's why all the logos are simplified to be more generic and modern, so it looks like Infinity War and not "some nerd adventure." That's why all the stories are about Planeswalkers being ebin and starting revolutions, because fuck worldbuilding, just have action.
>>64001540They probably believe that on some level, but not overtly. If they did, they wouldn't keep James Wyatt on the payroll.
>>64001531This stream is making Angelic Exaltation look good. Turns out that having a billion fliers is actually pretty neat when you only attack with one and they can't get through evasion.
>>63996371>>63996510Well, hopefully they get the resounding message of 'fuck this shit' and stop it.>>63996283This, on the other hand, isn't quite as bad considering the WAY they're doing it - the only thing changing because of Arena is the inclusion of more modal spells that include effects you'd usually shove in the sideboard only. Things like Goblin Cratermaker or Knight of Autumn. Anything else they've been doing is shit that they were already doing because of modo.
>>64001540I mean, duh. You don’t want your marketing to make your product look like a pulp paperback fantasy novel. Even fantasy novels don’t has that stuff on them any more. It is all big bold fonts with a single picture of a ring or some shit.
>>64001615Swiss Army Knife do-everything cards are cancer.
>>63996369No, he forced Azor to stop meddling with other people and told him to go live on an out of the way island instead of his fancy city of gold.Azor's perfectly fine, and I'm not sure why you think he's dead.
>>64001633But Swiss Army Knife not-completely-dead-if-made-irrelevant cards are okay.
>>64001652He used his magical powers of giving orders and condemned Azor to be forever alone on an island with nothing on it that nobody ever goes to. It's basically death. He just banished Azor out of the story.Fuck Jace.
>>63997091Nah, iirc Teysa has hangups because she's not as into the 'wring everything out of everyone' part of being a Proper Orzhovite as she should be.
>>64001687And before that, Azor was forever alone in an underground city of nothing but gold that nobody ever went to.Now people might be able to visit him, instead of him being a neet.
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