Continuing from last.Previous thread: >>63955465We talk biotech and its applications as well as biomechanics, genetic modification, cloning, etc. Lez do dees.
>>63992273>The bombs have drone legsMake sure to walk your bombs every day so they make a mess in their crates.
I got a ton of pics I can dump this thread, but I have to go to nthe gym soon, so I'll have to dump after I get back, also, if you were >>63971117>https://www.deviantart.com/screeble/gallery/and you drew the pics in the beginning of the thread, the lineups, I think I have done work with you before, character commissions. I lost touch with you (I wasn;'t able to sign into my old email after a point) and would like to reconnect. I'll probably just message you on deviantart but idk if you were the same guy or if you just draw similarly. Did you draw this?
>>63992337Benefits of organic-based machines involve limited or total auto-maintenance as the main USP. Drawbacks include having to take the Bomb-Drones out for walkies daily to make sure their systems are in working order.
>>63993553I see no downsides to this
>>63992337>still somehow safer than a pitbull
>>63993632To be fair we have a pitbull and she's the sweetest thing in the world, she's only aggressive if you are.
Biotech civs needs more diversity of aesthetic within themselves. Put simply: biotech that faces civilians should be sleek, clean, and comforting, while biotech that faces the enemy ought to be horrifying to maximize morale damage.
>>63993683Absolutely. XCOM 2's Archon, while mostly cybernetic, seems a pretty great image of this. Angellic in appearance, like an ascended being, I believe due to their close proximity to civilians.
>>63993237>>63993271Ah. Rengoku. You were a piece of shit alongside Silverfall. But Jesus Hellfucking Christ, the aesthetic! The fucking Skull Gun!
>field an army of murderbugs of varying sizes>centipedes with bodies as thick as a man's>tiny gnats that will get into the lungs >beetles who simply go around making everything look blighted>they're all designed to look "wrong">also engineer children to play on the battlefield>program the bugs to ignore enemy soldiers who are playing with the children
>>63993959I'm horrified to imagine what the Children are for
and that's the last of Rengoku
>>63994074All they do is play.They'll try to convince people to play with them. People who are playing with the children are safe from the bugs.In this manner, they take enemy soldiers off the battlefield. No tricks.
>>63994193>No tricks.That's probably what disturbs me the most
>>63994259Right?If there were tricks, then it becomes all too easy to simply kill the children. Although traumatic on its own, it's easy to justify shooting a child who will turn into rape bees when you let your guard down. But when you can actually trust the child to be a beacon of pure-hearted joy, when the gnats that clog your lungs become gnats which surreptitiously sustain you when your rations run out? That's a hard offer to turn down.
>>63994433Fucking A that's horrifying
I think Jurassic Park is a pretty good example of biotech in films
>>63994815>the most dangerous game of fetch
>>63994887>play catch with your missiledogs>put a dummy missile in the launch tube with the starter charge, etc.>fire it, missile-pups race off down range to bring it back
>>63994815>>63995121the rocket dog better be called Laika
>>63995121I want it
>>63994053Recoil must be a pain in the neck.
>>63994749>>63994767What I think of when talking about biotech is something along the lines of the production labs and testing areas like you see in Jurassic park, some sort of mix between an abattoir and a flower nursery where they test and splice different sets of the bioproduct.And then mostly wearable things such as that cape with something along the lines of modular muscle strands that can get grafted on with some slight chemical encouragementOr the organisms from the moon in "we will remember it for you wholesale" that sorta thing.
>>63996748I think I’ve stated my vision of biotech before, in that it should be a much more thorough integration of biological and technological structures than most of the art in these threads show. Biology has its weaknesses in comparison to hardware as well as its strengths, and it’s the integration of these structures that would really advance them. This may sound more like more conventional cybernetics when applied to humans, but it also means wetware integrated into everything from warships to consumer products, just like and alongside metamaterial, computer parts, plastics, glass, refined metals, and all the other cumulative advancements in engineering that can be brought to bear.
>>63997102Those're the kind of things that interest me, what you just listed. That's the kind of thing I hope to see more of here!
>>63997102I don't know if this makes much sense, but the way I've always looked at it is that a bio-machine is essentially what you get when you take a conventional machine and all the humans needed to operate it, and then replace the humans with specialized microorganisms. The form and function don't need to change.
>>63997651And in terms of combined arms, one would eventually make a carrier group into something of a cybernetic ecosystem like >>63992273 depicts, with decks covered with flocks of preening jet fighters and packs of loaderdogs scampering about doing drills, schools of defensive drones filling the water around it and ablative armor/maintenance barnacles encrusting it below the waterline, and sufficient self repair and internal manufacturing to heal from most minor encounters.
>>63997651I think I understand what ya mean
>>63997856I fucking love the thought of a ship being an entire ecosystem
disregarding my Nihei and Isaac Arthur inspired fetish for synthetic and post human figures I likebiotech and biomonsters for their story telling elegance.Cause when you say something got created by nano machines then the genie is out the bottle and all asspulls are fair game in the eyes of the players but when you have a vial of magic beans that just needs air, soil and a few drops of the mad alchemists near complete potion your party will be served a creative cool new Rita Repulsa tier monster and that just seems more enjoyable and fair in my personal experience
>>63998060>bipedal creature as a transport for what purpose?
>>63998094This entire post made me smile. Myself I don't mind nanomachines as an item or a part of the plot/world, as long as they're not the be all end all and are largely contained or are used for specific purposes. I like a mix of both the nanomachines and potion idea.
>>63998323>looks to be some kind of noble or knightTo look down on the plebian of course
i want a setting that mixes biotech, spacetravel and themes of deepsea and nautical jargon all in one.just imagine mercenarys that wear armour wich looks like a cross between bugs and victorian diversuots travelling in deep space in living ships with organic solarsails and engines... that would be cool
>>63998344works from a horse too. just improve horses m8
>>63998368Oh good lord yes. I'm actually thinking of something like that currently
>>63998380but muh aesthetic
>>63998534I'm getting horrible flashbacks to that tendril nanovirus & jet bondage stuff that gets posted sometimes...
>>63998639... I think I may be familiar.
>>63998639It's like that but without the porn.
>>63998639>>63998661>that well drawn art>that detailed worldbuilding>that clear desire to fuck aircraft and other heavy machinery.
>>63998323The natives have to find some way to be useful and it's hard to get around the colony before you have the infrastructure or power for personal transport.
>>63998368>be mercenary enforcer>teammates use assultrifles and even an LMG>completely normal in design and use but organic>just got a new organic pumpaction shotgun>reloading is like really wierd masturbationmfw
>>63998094>Isaac Arthur inspired fetish for synthetic and post human figuresHis science and futurism channel has been one of my favorite things over the past year, and a big influence on the 'weird fey posthumans in massive slower than light post-scarcity starships' scifi idea I've been trying to build into a setting
>>63998702>>that clear desire to fuck aircraft and other heavy machinery.I mean, don't we all?...Don't we?Guys?
>>63999673>>63999607>>63998728>>63998534remove this fetish shit!
>>63998639Ratbat and Hydrothrax are two different artists.
>>63999684You're amongst a friend
>>63992201One thing ive always loved with biotech is the idea of asexual reproduction, like a mine you plant in the ground that releases spores that spread over the area planting more of these bio-mines.
>>64001903FUck me I love that idea
>>63996748what am I looking at exactly?
>>63994526The most horrifying part is what must be done to counter the tacticYou can’t rely on squad leaders or commissars to keep grunts in line. Killing a non threatening child is a good way to stir up mutiny. So instead you need to deploy a dedicated squad of child murderers to sweep the field. Good luck dealing with the political fallout if word gets out.
>>64002755That brings up the question though: Do you field cloned soldiers without conscience? Essentially drones? You won't have to worry about the potential mutiny
>>64001903>Invent Self Sustaining Mushroom Mines>Shrapnel Contains spores that grow more minesSounds extremely effective but hard to control i there's no way to disarm them with a chemical or pheromone.>Lay down Fugi mine to slow down the enemy>Both armies move past area>War is over but the previous battleground is covered in a sea of mines from being set off by wildlife or naturally spreading>Setting off one will probably cause a domino effect that creates a giant explosion that'll cover even more areas, especially if the wind is high
>>64003564That works well on the battlefield, but may cause problems depending on how the frontline interacts with the population base back home. From the information war perspective, it's easy to spin the children as an ostensible olive branch (even if its one which much necessarily be refused), and any attempt to circumvent that then becomes a demonstration of inhumanity. Pumping out nerve-stapled marines because they had trouble shooting/ignoring children isn't going to sit well with most people.Though things could escalate to the point where both sides are throwing bug armies at one another, so that warfare becomes a completely inhuman enterprise. Where the children initially conjured up as part of psychic warfare shift to being used to exfiltrate stragglers who failed to evacuate on time. Which certainly makes for a unique spin on things; specializing in dealing SAN damage to such an extent that everyone circles back around to being calm and well-mannered.
>>64003891I don't even mean nerve-stapled soldiers, I mean just cloning bodies with the sole purpose of war. They have no conscience from the start, they don't see the child as any different than any other combatant and so shoot without a concern of mutiny.Although then like you said, it just becomes an inhumane enterprise.
>>64003878Oh good lord that's horrible and amazing. Though I wonder, could they be created with a hard expiration date? if they don't explode in a certain time they could just wither and die.
>>64003878This would make a decent salt the earth tactic. However, fire could be used as a mine sweeper, but it would retain the intent of a minefield.
>>63997102This is my view of things as well. I don't see biotech and other forms of augmentation as seperate things and having robots that have the same sort of tendons that you shove inside of people makes sense to me.
>>64004988If you have more like that image I have a strong need for it
>>64004770>Alright lads, my frame is critically damaged and my wing musculature has been compromised>Go ahead and prepare to eject. I'm going to prime the missles I have left in my bombay and take these fucks with me.>I hope we'll get to fly again wherever we go in the end.
>>64005027Fuck me yes.
What do you anons think of wetwar CPUs in biotech?
>>64005130wetware* if I could type correctly.
>>63998420That is some broken English.
>>64004004Why clone entire bodies? Go for the Eclipse Phase Pod route and create one size fits all limbs and organs housed in a robotic shell.
>>64005130On one hand, immune to EMP's. Although can still be fried with a high enough voltage/Amperage/Frequency.On the other hand, prone to bacteria and shit.I'd personally develop them as high-capacity RAM chips that outstrip fucking everything synthetic in terms of how fast it can run, but eventually burn out.Think Ammo Clips for laser weapons to develop an algorithm to penetrate the oscillating shields of your foes.
>>64002688people using magic scarfs as woven muscle suits in a very smutty punchkid manga
>>64004025You only need one to mutate in a way that disables the kill switch.
You guys should read the nights dawn trilogy of books. Void hawks are bio ships with metal components grafted on, basically cyborgs. Terrific story too.I’m working on a starship combat game atm, I’ve bought a load of screamers of trench to use as bioships
>>64007669flip it and spray the area with some vital compound it needs to survive/reproducesomething that can't be easily metabolised/replaced
>>64005010>There's a shrine in Air Force Headquarters where the K.I.A/M.I.A Bio-jets have their names etched >You see dozens of men coming to leave ethanol and mementos
>>64007711Oh fuck yes
>>63992201I think Pokemon fits the kind of biotech I like best, sleek, somewhat industrial yet still clearly alive. I generally prefer machinery to be non-biological though.
>>64010340Huh..ya know, I'd of never considered pokemon biotech without being prompted. Now I'm thinkin' about it
Is there a term for "life-like" hi-tech? Artificial muscles, self repair, etc and so forth, all without actually being real biotech.More subtle than raw robotics, but made of materials that life itself could never utilize.
>>64001903>>64002350And so begin nightmare apocalypses
>>64013103More military biotech
Any interest anons?
>>64014163Fuck me I forgot about collector weaponry
>>64014408What in the name of all that's godly and right in the world is that thing and why do I want twelve.
>>64014482I have annoying neighbors I could feed 'im
>>64014503Its an exhuman predator, essentially a transhuman vorefag from the far reaches of the solar system
Destiny has some fun meatguns
Are the new trinity books put up anywhere yet? I could try throwing them up if anyone wants them
>>64015991Whoops, forgot I was dumping here. I've got a few more. If you look up "Destiny Oryx Raid Weapons" you'll get both more like these and their black carapaced twins.
And then they revisited the aesthetic in Destiny 2 with this bad boy. A laser rifle that fires the reality-rending screams of a slaughtered wish dragon.
>>64016502>>64016477jesus christ I need all of that and more.
>>63993553>"We class the autonomous robotic fighter, or ARF, as a dog-brain level intelligence.">"No, I don't mean it's as smart as a dog - I mean that it literally uses a dog brain.">"After transfer to the drone body, we train it to chase enemy fighters, reward it with refuelling, and take it on regular walks - well, flights.">"It's all managed by a sensory simulation suite, so that fuel probably tastes like liquid steak mixed with happiness.">"It's a very reliable system, and there's a lot of affection between an ARF and the handlers. The only real problem is that they have a tendency to jump off and try and stick their nosecones in other drone's exhausts - haven't quite worked out how to stop that."
>>64017137Oh my god yes
>>64005010>>64009220>manned strike fighters are themselves quite clever, rated around .87 compared to the standard deviation of unaugmented humans, but excelling in fields humans barely contemplate>they also have an advanced mental architecture geared towards hypersonic flight, maintenance and natural use of hardware/wetware jet propulsion, tactical thinking and sensory management in combat at ranges beyond the horizon line, etc.>Riders accompany them mainly to assist in executive functions and strategic thinking, as even their specialized brains can be overwhelmed by the incredible speed and scope of the oceanic theater, where threats can come from any shore, from the ocean below or orbit above>the riders have taken to calling these unique and steadfast intelligences warbirds, thunderbirds, dragons, roks, and many other colorful variations
>>64018005I've always liked the concept of "sleeving" ala Eclipse Phase and had an idea where combat vehicles were manned by people transferring their conciousness into them to allow the vehicles to perform at levels impossible to do with a human piloting it.
>>64018222I actually do something like that in a fanfic I'm writing currently. The pilot will wear a neurohelmet that basically allows him and the vehicle's spirit to interact and coordinate in ways superior to any standard interface.
>>64019921Made for killing AND breeding.
>>64019931praise the Gunmother
>>63998664>>63998534>>63999673>tfw unironically like Alice Bruderer's biomech creatures but it keeps getting associated with the planefuckers for whatever reasonalways wanted a setting with stuff like his art that was basically Pokemon meets Transformers. something like that.does he have a twitter or any place where he posts his art?
>>64018222I'm generally a fan of it too, and its a major part of how my weird fey posthuman characters shape shift, but its also interesting to have augmented human minds working in close cooperation with specialized biomechanical AI, and of course all of these things can be done together.
>>64020639The idea in my head is inspired by one of the Macross movies. I think it's the YF-21 or whatever but the dude flying it is controlling it with his mind and some of the cool stuff was like the wings flexing and warping and what not. which also makes me really like the chicken plane we've been posting.
>>64020013See, something that I love and hate about participating in these is because someone says shit like that and now I'm running with it in my head.It's a good pain.
>>63998094Oh look! a miniature Raditz! I shall call him Vegeta Jr.
>>64021515what cute Bike, I bet he's a Good boy
>>64019931It's the ultimate failsafe. An organism's highest loyalty is to its own offspring, so you keep the bioweapons loyal by reproducing with them.
>>63992201It's a penis.
>>64021209I could see reproductive autonomous weapons coming into use if the bottleneck/need is longevity over major damage.
>>63997102>Biology has its weaknesses in comparison to hardware as well as its strengths, and it’s the integration of these structures that would really advance them.Biology is capable of building and maintaining integrated inorganic structures, for example your skeleton is mineralized tissue which is constantly being broken down and rebuilt by the cells which live in it to keep wear and tear away. And while skeleton's inorganic parts are calcium phosphate, there's no reason biology couldn't similarly build, for example, metal or carbon nanotubes.In fact I'd go so far as to say that any sufficiently advanced nanotechnology is indistinguishable from biology - that is, it has complexity and functionality all the way down to the level of individual molecules or even atoms and is basically alive, even if it might not be carbon based life. Also, it's not manufactured but builds itself where needed, with biosphere and technosphere united into a single support system for life and civilization alike, providing not just food and oxygen but services like transportation, computation and communication, logistics, energy... anything we now rely on artificial infrastructure for.That's the true promise of organic technology: to remove the line between nature and technology and thus heal our current alienation from it, not by going back to the nature but by raising nature up to the new paradigm of conscious planning. If we succeed at that, then there's very little we can't do, from healing our planet to terraforming others to freely moving our minds from our bodies to "the cloud" (plantlife acting as networked computronium - I propose "Green Dream" as a name) and back at will.
>>64025421If you can reproduce with the bioweapons, aren't they the same species as humans?>in the far future, human genome carries within in thousands of alternative phenotypes>triggering a change to another phenotype requires but a conscious decision to>each phenotype grants a unique set of mental and physical abilities>many can spawn semi-independent drones linked to their maker>in fact most people exist as distributed hive minds>a lone human crash-landing on an alien planet can spawn / become a star empire by themselves>humans will be the bug race of the galaxy
>>64027605Everyone carries the genes, but most of the genes are triggered by specific chemicals in the womb. Normal humans don't produce the required hormones, so producing a full bioweapon means either directly impregnating a bioweapon or growing the fetus in an artificial womb.
>>64021209>bioengineered supportmother for extended combat operations>armour plating resistant to small-arms fire>spasmortar that can fire either high explosive or shaped charges>first generation chromatophores that can change the skin colour to any single hue for basic camouflage>War Emergency Hormones to temporarily push the supportmother beyond safe operating limits in critical situations>maternal psyche ensures maximum survivability for the assigned squad, although this can lead to the supportmother endangering itself.>medical follicles for bandaging and tourniquets>moistfruit & MREggs for squad sustenance>leechseeds for replenishing nutrients and materials from the environment>spawnlets to aid in recon and guard duty with a single-use projectile stinger
>>64030314Goddamn it I love it
>>64027241>>64031379I've been trying to imagine what sort of materials would help facilitate the fusion of bio and hardware. I know cobolt is one of those metals that does not react inside the body and doesn't trigger an auto immune response (if I am remembering correctly).A thought for a fantasy material would be some kind of alloy that can not only serve as the basis for augmentations but grow in the body as if it were natural like allowing blood vessels and nerves to form in it eventually finding a way to replace an entire skeleton with the stuff.This, on top of other things, like genetically cloning and gene editing organs and muscles and replacing them in your body and having purpose built nano machines that regulate your new anatomy.
>Humans had long red about the Angels the Gods had in their employ but in the modern age they never saw them>Disappointed with the Gods' seeming lack of effort they decide to create their own. Basing the new War Angel's structure off of Humanity's own, they created statuesque, fit, winged beings.>Perfectly loyal, embodiments of the cause of keeping man alive, they fly on great wing and deliver a new terror to the enemy on the line.>When they see a fallen comrade they mourn and swear that for every one of theirs, a thousand shall fall.
>>64033672I thought of something like that for a setting I'm making. It's biosteel, basically metal alloy that's formed in a bioforge so it acts like metal for the most part, but allows natural structures like veins and the like to form.Biosteel grows back, feels somewhat like velvet, and is highly resistant to damage (but not invincible)
>>64033757For such a thing I'm curious where and at what point the idea of a purely mechaincal limb would come into play. In my head not everyone is going full bore augmenting their bodies and doing so means you're kind of locked into what your doing essentially like have a body that is built overall for combat situations and what not meaning those are the sort of line of work you'd be better suited for. Beyond that it's just personal prefrences for me with Ghost in the Shell informing a lot of that (digital telepathy as I call, and the sort of strength and reflexes exhibited by the Major). That and I don't like the idea of having a computer in your brain as it just makes more snese to connect to an external one since you don't have to worry about upgrading the one in your head or breaking it in combot or by accident.
>>64033946Biosteel is basically like metallic flesh. It grows and shrinks with the organism, so if a baby for example for some reason has biosteel implants they'll grow with them until they just stop growing. So I wonder if it'd even be considered a mechanical limb at that point if it's a perfectly biomechanical organism in and of itself. As far as where it would come into play, I imagine it'd be if they're in an occupation/passion for the long haul. Like if you're a racer you'll want augments that help your performance racing. If you're in construction, augments tailored to that. Like you said, tailored to your occupation and such or personal preference.I know what you mean on the computers. Personally it's been up until recently that I've disliked augmentation of any sort, but if I had to choose I'd prefer to interface with external computers rather than having one implanted.
>>64015587I always prefer to think of EVAs as having mouths.
What does /tg/ feel about biological immortality?
what's some good sci-fi and any other stuff to research about a society based entirely around cloning? like, every kid is born in a vat? how that affects parenting, stuff like identity, even naming people, culture, etc. ?
>>64035954Honestly I imagine they'd be geared toward a hive-mind or built like an insect hive. There may be one Great Father/Mother but by and large, there is no 'parent'. Hell, they may not even be born children but created as adults.
>>63993658man I took my pit to the beach when the tide was coming in once, and some kid got stuck in the riptide. my little girl swam right out there and chewed on her. pitbulls are a treasure.
>>64036082You've confused me, anon. What do you mean 'chewed on her'? Do you mean played with her?
>>64036247Would Scrin be considered Biotech? or Biomechanical?
>>64030314>In summer the moistfruit flowers blossom in the ribbonlike medhair..
>>64037297Y'know, with those descriptions I wonder: How do you imagine the Supportmother to look?I'm thinking of a father-unit to the support mother. The Warfather. Supportmother will protect you, give you food and shelter. Warfather will push you to drive the enemy into the ground, until there's nothing left, and keep pushing you until Mother halts him and calms him from his war-trance.
>>64033672Cobalt-Chromium alloy is biocompatible. Other materials include titanium and diamond ( which makes sense, since it's mostly carbon). If memory serves gold doped diamond is used for the electrodes in cochlear implants, providing another anon wasn't lying to me many years ago.
>>64037546>>63992241similar to the image that kicked it off
>>64037868I feel like a daft cunt for not having thought of that. Hm.
When this thread eventually gets archived, should I do another?
>>64040841Considering the 45 unique posters and almost 250 posts, I'm going to say yes.On a related note, requesting some more pics of everyday or civilian applications of biotech.
>>64040841Most of this art is too tech-y for me, but I can't find enough Twig-style Frankenstein stuff
>>64041043Then I'll be sure to do that! I'll see if I can't find something, but no promises.>>64041367I'm unfamiliar, enlighten me?
>>64035111Any competent interpretation has one. The proportions on the official art don't actually match the armor we see in the show.
>>64042237Twig's a web serial set in a 1920s America where the setting's Frankenstein equivalent was a. British, and b. successful, so the British Empire has gone full bioengineering and won the War of Independence because of it. The main characters are a gaggle of "orphans" who are actually lab experiments and get sent to do Mission:Impossible type stuff. It's probably in the top 3 for written biohorror.
>>64009600Is that a Bohrok?