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>>63950159

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>Question
Whose campaign should we feature in the next general?
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>>63980964
Kys discordnigger
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>>63980991
Nah, let him keep insulting the SJWs. There is literally nothing wrong with that.
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>>63981050
Fuck off hedgetard. Stop defending the discordnigger
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>>63980991
>>63981050
I mean the people bitching about this likely are the SJWs. They're likely just trying to meme away this guy's legitimacy. We know, after all, that they pay such close attention to these generals that they ban people who subtly dox their accounts by showing the username of their lurker accounts.

I wouldn't pay their hyperventilating any mind
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>>63981078
Tavel... We're not compelled to change our opinion just because you learned the n-word. Alright? Go back to your safe space
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>>63981127
Yeah, "Tavel"! Out!
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>>63980964
been away forever. Anything good come out in the last year? Any news on the BHM rape fiasco over on Rpg. N?
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>>63981549
Hurt Locker was pretty good in spite of the fact that they hilariously decided to put a Muslim woman on the front cover. Bitch looks like she's getting her jihad on.
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>>63980991
>>63981078
>>63981484
>>63980739
>>63980713
>>63980589
Key word here: trying.
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>>63981578
Kind of looks like a young, thin Roseanne Barr.


What is Paradox's Chechnya statement about? What was wrong with that chapter?
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>>63981609
IIRC they're apologizing for how "problematic" it is.
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>>63981578
I thought that was just very bad hair
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>>63981630
Dang it! This is why I stopped paying attention. I played WW in the 90's because it was unapologetic edgy shit. We had Gypsy Werewolves ripping off gay sadomasochistic Tzimisce, and it wasn't to far from what the books would have you think the setting was like.

Thanks for the updates everyone. I think I may just be to old to deal with the current social bs and play anymore.
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>ywn drink with the living dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yywGI1H_oyM
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Would the Mekhet get along occult-oriented splats like 'lings, mages and mummies, you think?
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>>63981609
Considering that there was rumor government officials were asking Paradox's stuff in Russia to turn over the names of the people who wrote it, it's not just an issue of bad writing, as this would effect Paradox as a company on the whole, not just WW as a subsidiary.

Besides, the chapter was mangled anyway; apparently the editor fucked it up and took two different characters talking about it (one horrified by it, one talking about it blithely) and editing the two sequences into a single narrative, according to people on the inside. According to insiders, the section was written by someone who has a friend who escaped the Chechnya RL bullshit and that was his inspiration to write it.

But, who knows what really became of it. At this point, other people will be writing it and WW staff have been folded into Paradox and shuffled around, so we'll at least get better overall QC. And perhaps the person within WW who was actively fucking sabotaging them will have been fired by this point.
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>>63982921
>At the end of the session, not right then and there.
Sure. I said you make a test, not that you make a test immediately. Could have made that clearer.

>The thing with stains is that it's related to doing things the Beast likes and giving in to doing monstrous things (humanity isn't how 'good'' you are in V5, it's how 'not a monster' you are), and Embracing is still killing. You're doing Monstrous Shit by making someone A Monster, after all.
It never was about how 'good' you are, it's whether you deny your beast. But still, with the stain system, there is some leeway, and embracing to save someone would stain your soul less than doing the same for kicks.

The humanity part of the book outlines what kind of acts a person of each level would generally consider sinful, and the common theme between them is selfishness. As long as they act in a selfless manner, even a humanity 10 character could technically Embrace without dropping in humanity. Although that's just my take on it, and you may rule otherwise as a ST.
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>>63984879
Yes. Because just like Mummies and Mages, the Mekhet feel out of place entirely.
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>>63985667
>conveniently leaving out changeling
Hmmm, I wonder who's behind this post?
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>>63985140
You don't know who wrote it, who was the friend of the chechnian guy?
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>>63985667
Oi, don't mess with my fabulous hawk-boys mummies!
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>>63985775
Dave says they're out of place, so they're out of place. Suck my dick.
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>>63981578
>psychic vampire starts draining the life force of the average swedish male so she can further her goal of psychic jihad
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What is the fastest non-magical way to gain Medium or higher Sympathy with another person?
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>>63985852
Be in the wrong place at the wrong time when some Infrastructure activates, if the sudden Aether-bombing doesn't do it, maybe the defending Angels will make you Stigmatic and thus give you the ability to buy Supernatural Merits.
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>>63984879
They could. Obfuscate and Auspex are rather potent even by cross splat standards.
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>>63985852
Become their friend or lover.

>>63985919
medium sympathy, not the medium merit
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>>63985967
Becoming someone's friend takes a long time, though.
I want the fastest method.
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>>63986024
Convince someone you're their friend, lover, sibling, etc using Mind. It may not be genuine at first, but it's the fastest way to form that connection.
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>>63986057
I said non-magical, anon!
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>>63986092
Doh!
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>>63986024
stick penis in them until they are connected enough
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>>63986107
So the fastest way to get Sleepwalker Shield Maidens is by dicking them down?
Less then ideal, this was not sold as an ERP game.
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>>63986159
Probably the fastest yeah, you could debatably be considered lovers after a few days of dicking
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>>63986237
Stop thinking with your dick
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>>63985852
Social interaction, exceptional success, impose Swooning.

Should be good enough for at least Medium as long as it lasts.
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>>63986268
... And then give them the dick once they're Swooning?
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>>63986306
Isn't that the default resolution trigger for the condition?
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Dumb question, but where can I play CoD online that's not on Discord (since Discord has AIDS)?
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>>63988484
Anywhere, if you have friends.
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>>63988484
I don't think there are many non-Discord games anymore.
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I want to run a game that takes place near the Southern Border, where the main antagonist are Mexicans trying to get in and bring their problems with them. Which splat is best for this and why?
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>>63990299
Masquerade, since Mexicans tend to be Tzimisce and other Sabbat shovelheads, Giovanni, Baali, Setites and other assorted scum, and mortal webacks are just as bad.
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>>63990299
Vampire or Werewolf desu. Werewolf because territorial dispute, but Vampire because of the parasitic nature of illegal immigrants.
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>>63990299
>>63990376
>>63990382
Back to /pol/, all of you.
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>>63990589
Back to the SJ Discord you fucking degenerate.
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>>63990818
I don't fucking have a Discord account, you paranoid schizophrenic; I'm fucking tired of you mentally ill children polluting the board with your bullshit. Go die in a fire.
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>>63990901
>I don't fucking have a Discord account, you paranoid schizophrenic; I'm fucking tired of you mentally ill children polluting the board with your bullshit. Go die in a fire.

Okay. This post is just a little too angry to not chuckle at. You're a fucking laughingstock.
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>>63991102
The last time I left /tg/, it was because mentally ill children from /pol/ made posting a completely unbearable experience for me. All you care about is some fucking internet drama where someone who doesn't belong to your internet tribe didn't act as deferentially to you as your imperial majesty would prefer. Seriously, I just want to talk about a game, is you schizoids not interrupting the normal people while we do it too much to fucking ask for?
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>>63991144
look out we got a badass here
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>>63991160
Why do I even bother.
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>>63991144
Look at the quote tree. The bitching started with you telling people having a conversation about which splat is best for portraying illegals as parasitic invaders, which is an entirely reasonable question. You're now having a public meltdown because someone suggested you're from the SJ Discord server. I'm not sure if you actually are, but it's clear you belong there.
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>>63991189
>which is an entirely reasonable question
No, it's actually an loaded question rife with American only geo political undertones.
In other words, it's /pol/ posting by definition. That someone is trying to apply it to pnp games makes it no less /pol/ than MYFAROG.
I mean, it's there, big whoop, but call a rose a rose instead of trying to bullshit that it's something other than what it is.
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>>63991144
How is it mentally ill to blow off SJWs like yourself, exactly? This is 4chan, dude, not your fucking hugbox.
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>>63991189
> which is an entirely reasonable question
Unless you're from /pol/, it isn't. You leeches inform the spirit in which conversations in this thread happens, so whenever you shitpost about your childish obsessions, it makes the quality of the discussion fall down. Stop with your fucking nonsense.
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>>63991189
> it's clear you belong there
Oh, and this. You really are mentally ill, aren't you? Get help.
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>>63991214
>>63991232
>>63991244
I'm the guy who asked the question, btw. And maybe you should just not reply to it if it's such an upsetting idea to you.

So anyway:
>>63990376
This makes sense, but I was hoping for an nWoD / CofD answer. Sabbat is oWoD right? That's a dealbreaker from me, but I appreciate your answer.

>>63990382
I was thinking one or the other of these as well, but was wondering if an argument for Mage/Ling/Beast/Whatever might crop up, too. We'll see.
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>>63991264
> maybe you should just not reply to it if it's such an upsetting idea to you
Did you not read my post?
> You leeches inform the spirit in which conversations in this thread happens
Don't fucking pretend like you're too stupid to read.
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>>63991298
>You leeches inform the spirit in which conversations in this thread happens

Yeah, uh, if you're expecting no political thought to enter into WoD or threads about it, you're out of luck. The books themselves are filled with it, albeit mostly from a left wing perspective. I don't see you melting down about that. So my assessment of you as trigger kittens is really just getting stronger, not weaker.
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>>63991264
Amazing how I didn't reply to you, or your question, at all, because it doesn't really matter.
I take umbrage at people trying to act like it isn't /pol/ posting, which it is by definition.
But since you want the attention, I'll ask you why even go this route? This is one of those "I'm bringing politics to my game XD" greentexts to be.
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>>63991319
>I don't see you melting down about that
To be sure, you see that in these threads ALL THE TIME.
You don't remember the constant OPP bitching?
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>>63991363
Fuck off, retard. This ain't a place for this shit.
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>>63991319
Firstly, there is a difference between discussing politics and participating in a /pol/ circle jerking ritual. For you, politics is an excuse to do something that's considered funny among your ilk, like saying "nigger" to get brownie (cause brown, get it, ha-ha?) points. I talk about politics all the time, just not with you subhumans. Secondly, I remember how people occasionally brought up non-/pol/ politics in these threads, and you always went ballistic over it, so don't be a fucking hypocrite, you worm in the body of a boy. Fuck off.
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>>63991456
Such outrage is counterproductive, reaction just provokes them.

That said, IIRC in that terrible video game published by nuWolf last year, there was some refugee related content, so I don't see anything inherently wrong in having Mexican refugees instead of Syrian ones.
And their portrayal depends entirely on ST.
I also hope that no one here subscribes to nuWolfs antinazi policy
>“Unless you are a Nazi, or a neo-Nazi, or a member of any other hate group that uses these disgusting philosophies to advance your hateful agendas. If you are a member of one of those groups or support those agendas we don’t want you in our community. You aren’t welcome, and if we find you spreading your hate in our community you will be shown the door. We don’t want your money. You can keep it.”
I hope we are better than this here, 4chan is inclusive as it is possible long someone doesn't willingly remove themselves by being "offended".
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>>63991824
> 4chan is inclusive as it is possible long someone doesn't willingly remove themselves by being "offended".
Except that the aut-right are always offended. Fuck off with your false solidarity.
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By now i'm certain that none of you all have groups and just want to vent on 4chan.
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>>63991852
I really don't have a group. How do I get one?
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>>63991901
Do you have friends?
Alternatively join a pbp group on discord.

Ask around in your flgs or something.
What game btw?
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>>63992015
> Do you have friends?
None that do PnP.
> discord
It has AIDS.
> flgs
What?
> What game
Anything 2e, really.
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I'm thinking I'll just use Vampire for the Mexican illegals campaign. Thanks guys.
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>>63991852
I do have a group but I'm not currently running
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>>63991843
>the aut-right are always offended

Making fun of your pronouns isn't being offended. Spare me. Stop projecting. Please.
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>>63992107
>Coyote-shapeshifting Gangrel from the Circle of the Crone are tying to cross the border and get into the Invictus Ventrue and Daeva controlled territory, oh no! Let's call upon our Good Ol' Nosferatu Boys to deal with this.
You are welcome.
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>>63992607
>Plot twist: The Millenial Mekhet Carthian Cults are secretly in cahoots with the Gangrel, which they plan to use to uproot the Invictus!
Never fear, _______ is here!
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>>63992640
Finally, it goes without saying that this takes place on Arizona, and that the Nosferatu War-Leader and the Gangrel Alpha fought in different sides of the Mexican American War of 1846-1848.
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>>63992402
What fucking pronouns, you fucking mouth breather? What the fuck are you talking about? Get help. Immediately. Unplug your modem and call for a medical professional.
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>>63993035

I have a hard time believing that there is more than one user accusing everybody who says anything vaguely right wing of being mentally ill. What's the deal man? Are you trying to gaslight people in a CofD general? This is pathetic. It's not effective. You're not convincing anybody.


We're now I don't know how many posts in of you melting down and throwing around accusations of mental illness because one user asked about what the best splat would be for a campaign about repelling illegal immigrants.


Grow up.
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>>63992640
>secretly
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>>63992107
Actually, Changeling could also work. Strange new Lings are fleeing from their True Fae gangbangers, and these True Fae are so fucked up that any sympathy one might have for these fellow newbie Lings is overridden by the entirely rational fear of their former captors and what damage they can do here.

It's basically real life with a supernatural veneer on top, which is the best kind of fiction of this variety.
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>>63993730
Even better: under the recent new arrivals are a few loyalists, the rest is just the regular kind of deranged.
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I'm running a Technocracy game about investigating the weird activity surrounding Pentex. At some point, I want the amalgam to fight some angry werewolves. However, I'm using nWoD rules, and I heard that the woofs were nerfed in comparison to their Apocalypse counterparts. I'm not that familiar with the mechanics of both games, so in what ways were they nerfed, and how can I make up the difference.

>inb4 mage supremacy

Since these are techies, most of their foci are going to be shorted out with the "no technology" power (after a clash of wills of course). In addition, the Dimensional Science "expert" of the team is pretty bad at his job, both in and out of game.
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>>63991852
I even have a game this week.
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>>63994166
>so in what ways were they nerfed
Well yes, Forsaken can't dream up godlike imaginary friends and so on.

They can dodge bullets and regen to full each round with agg being much rarer, so most forsaken will be more powerful than most garou.

Some may say the fact that a garou gets an average of 5.5 rage actions per session (which may be less than 1 per round) means forsaken are weaker, but even mortals can split dice to get extra actions.
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>>63994253
Post a timestamped pic of your books and character sheet then.
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>>63994323
A game of VtES that is.
Also >owning physical books
Elders, pls.
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>>63994166
>their foci are going to be shorted out with the "no technology" power
They're fucked enough as it is if you hoserule that. If you drop woofs on top of them and their advanced warning dudes (ones with time, spirit, space or entropy) are useless. No real reason to make up for fosswoofs being dumber than apocalypse ones.
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>>63994323
>someone remembered that trick
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I kind of want to run a game with a tone and "over the top" level similar to Preacher.

Would WoD be a good choice or should I look elsewhere?
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>>63995380
Try Deadlands.
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>>63995391
Thanks.
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>>63995064
>>63995064
They're not entirely fucked, as they know that werewolves exist and have been stocking up on silver, the NWO guy is a psychic, and the Progenitor mostly uses chemical foci.
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So is everybody still angry because sometimes we desire each others deaths? You gotta love your neighboor.
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>>63981603
Why do these abusive people want to control who others talk to?
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>>63981763
They use to be transgressive now they're just trans.
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>>63985852
Trauma bonding.
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>>63991102
Nah, >>63990901
is just an oversensitive man child who can't handle people not talking about what he wants online
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>>63991363
>I'm bringing politics into my game written about politics
>This is bad and therefore /pol/
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I honestly have no problem with trannies, gays and leftists at my table. I care about merit more than personal opinions, but holy shit fuck off if you're just going to be an abusive harassing entitled shit.

These fucking trigger words/warnings, gender pronounsyou're not convincing any sane person there are more than two genders, christ and, Jesus, those horrid x-cards.

I just want to play games. Stop dictating my enjoyment you pigs.
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>>63991843
>he thinks the alt right is real
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>>63991852
My group want me to run more but the idea train crashed and everyone died.
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>>63993312
>I have a hard time believing that there is more than one user accusing everybody who says anything vaguely right wing of being mentally ill. What's the deal man? Are you trying to gaslight people in a CofD general? This is pathetic. It's not effective. You're not convincing anybody.
Yeah it just sounds like another abusive discord prick to me.
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>>63997986
The difference between the right and the left is that the latter refuses to co exist with the former. You're either with them or literally Hitler
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>>63997867

Interestingly enough, Lucita had the same idea in Eternal Hearts.
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>>63998130
>This is back in the day when WW was giving zero fucks, by the way, and not trying to appeal to the plurigendered masses
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I genuinely enjoy this 'crossover is impossible' meme. Whether you guys actually believe or not, I'm not sure, but Galateid x Mastigos is my new favorite combination.
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>>63998802
The mongoloids here don't actually play these games, true story. They've long been infected by the Magefag's spell. Even Hedgefag isn't immune
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>>63985754
It was never said (likely because, well, the fucking Chechnyan government was actively digging into it as a defamation of state).
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how bad is paradox really
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>>63999197
In Ascension, really fucking bad. As in "asperg just too much and die horribly".
In Awakening, a minor inconvenience. As in "oi bois this Paradox sucks ei?".
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>>63998865
Yep, hedgefag has not posted timestamped proof and likely doesnt play
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>>63999197
Worst supernatural bane by tremendous margin that makes your life extremely unpleasant. Which is kinda balanced by the fact that you get the most versatile supernatural power set.
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>>63998945
The EU is a poor choice to publish things if you value freedom of ideas or speech.
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>>63999327
This meme should be the standard by which all games are deemed real. Thankfully I have the sheets from every game I've ran or tried to in the last 3-5 years or so.
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>>63999356

Paradox is Sweden (and Sweden is Paradox). Paradox owns White Wolf.
Unless they change their HQ to the US, they kinda don't have any other choice.
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>>63999374

Sweet summer childer, I haven't played a single game since 2014.
Ahhh, to be young and german.
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>>63999416
Do you need a hug, friend?
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>>63999430

Yep. All my friends are busy "working" like the lemmings they are. Being "productive members of society". "Starting families".
Sigh.
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>>63999430
>>63999455

Which splat is the most huggable?
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>>63999544
Orpheus or Dreaming.
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>>63997867
That's fucked up my man.
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>>63999544

Hum... probably a pretty, dumb Galateid. Werewolves will rip you, Vampires will fuck you (that may increase they huggable factor, I don't know), Mages will rip your soul to power their fleshlights (no mispelling), Demons will crush you between their gears, Sin Eaters will find some reason to kill you, Changelings... Jesus Christ, who knows what a Changeling is going to do next, probably not even a Changeling.
Hugging Mummies while in Sybaris must be pretty cool if you are into extreme sports.
Hugging Talasii Beasts is a very bad idea unless you really, really fantasize about being raped.
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>>63999544
>>63999652

Changelings are the probably the most huggable.

They're one of the least inherently violent and destructive splats. Besides, how can you not want to hug those poor PTSD-suffering former kidnap and rape victims who're trapped watching a fetch live their former lives.
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>>63999742

Well, if they are ogres, elementals or wizened, no. Hugging ugly people is gross.
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>>63999742
>Changelings are the probably the most huggable
Only Dreaming. Lost are petty, deranged, violent, broody and destructive. Unless you mean True Fae and/or lovestruck Fetches.
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>>63999818

It's all relative. The splats are monsters (even mages!), and therefore aren't particularly huggable. However, changeling are definitely the most huggable of the wretched lot.

Also, not hugging Fairest changelings without express consent.
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>>63999818
I want to hug a qt true fae
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>>63999877

Now I think that a touchy-feely obsessive Collector Talassi would be a Fairest best friend.
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>>63999197
In Ascension it'll butt-fuck you out of reality, cause you to explode, etc.

In Awakening unless you cock up REALLY bad it's a minor inconvenience.

But nobody wants to be there the day you get 8 successes on released Paradox, and release a Rank 5 entity.
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>>63999652
>Demons will crush you between their gear
>Mages will rip your soul to power their fleshlights

I dunno, demons are kept alive and mages are given power by the strength of their connections to other people. Prometheans mind break you and quite likely will fly into a tantrum and murder you one day.

People assume, because they suffer, that prometheans are like... all nice woobies or whatever, but they mind break people, ruin towns or regions, fly into homicidal rages, change morality with their different roles. Prometheans are fucked up people.
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>>63999877
I wouldn't hug *any* changeling without express consent. It's like a huge thing for them.
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>>63999953
Dryad, Firstborn or Inanimae kind?
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>>63999877
>the splats are monsters (even mages!)

Heh. Mages are the *worst* monsters in the CofD.
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>>64000058
the qt kind
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>>64000055

Man, changelings must *really* hate grabby Acanthus!
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>>64000074
Goes with the territory of being purest human.
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>>64000074
Humans are the biggest monsters, yup
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>>64000106
>Man, changelings must *really* hate grabby Acanthus!

Psychologically-damaged kidnap and rape victim non-consensually touched by demigod who doesn't take no for an answer.

What could go wrong?
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Here in /tg/ we proudly respect boundaries, so we would never hug a fairy without a written consent form and the presence of at least three (3) other armed members of his or her motley.
Now, if you'll excuse me, the local Ordo Dracul wants half a dozen of children for their experiments, so I should order my ghoul to go to inner Detroit with a van and a several nets.
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Alright. finished a session of New Demon, at the end of the session, some nutter (might have been a stigmotic or something else supernatural, but IDK) managed to "summon" (I say it in airquotes because I'm not entirely sure how it appeared) a pic related. Which then told us to get on with our main quest. Anyways, since I have a big fucking mouth my ST challenged basically the entire group to do some research at home and find out what "it" was. Which is why I need the help of this thread, because I'm generally more of an OwOD nerd.

Some interesting things about "it" I gleamed in the like, 5 seconds it appeared
>The nutcase who summoned it referred to "it" as "God"
>DID NOT give off any aether or anything else which would have given it away as something god-machine like
>Had some crazy ass powers, basically switching the weather from a nice, sunny day to raining cats and dogs, and produced some fire to drive it's point home

It's definitely something from either Mage or Changeling, but could probably be from werewolf as well. Wouldn't be the first time my S.T. used a creature from another gameline. Thanks in advance.
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>>64000528
Well if it's Mage than the nutter was an Obrimos and that's a supernal Angel. Powers over Forces which could be used to control the weather and make fire.
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>>64000453

Also,

>>64000528

A Tremere with Weather Manipulation 2 or 3 and Lure of Flames 1 (both are minor, common paths), and an unsure amount of dots in Chimestry (never played gypsies). The Blood Bond would ensure people referring to him as "God". Probably a Tremere neonate with some Ravnos buddy behind the wall.

Oh, but from CofD? Any splat that can cause hallucinations, which is any splat.
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>>64000528
Might be a supernal angel or an angel from the Promethean splat. If it's from Changeling, it's likely a True Fae and interested in the 'quest' and story aspect of your group. True Fae are very messed up, so tread lightly.
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>>64000528
A Supernal entity
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>>64000528
That, good sir, seems to be a musical baby in a sphere of concentric rings covered in eyes.
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>they say not to crossover
>when the core books mention the other splats and abilities interacting with them
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>>64000055
I'm no furry but this croc could get it
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>>64002048
You can crossover, the Chronicle system even supports it, just don't be surprised when some splats seem a bit weaker/stronger than others.
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>>64002161
Except how does this deter a mature group from doing their thing?
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>>64002298
It can be frustrating for the players of weaker splats.
The ideal way to do crossover is to have all the PC be the same splat, but they deal with various other splats.
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>>64000528
>some nutcase
a mage
>angel thing
its a supernal angel
>weather and fire
its a seraphim

Be nice to them
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What reason could a good person have for being a Seer of the Throne?
The 2e book tries to paint them as more sympathetic but I'm just not feeling it.
If you gave someone the option to join the Seers or the Pentacle only a sociopath would join the Seers.
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>>64002417
1. lots of money

2. or they realize that the Lie is the only way to minimize the number of mages shitting up the cosmos
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>>64002417
The Seers found them first when they Awakened. By the time they learned about the Pentacle, they were in too deep. This is how I imagine most of Seer recruitment goes.
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>>64002417
That's the point, you nut. The Seers worship Tyranny. Everything they do furthers the shit state of the planet. They're opportunistic uncaring assholes. Perfect if you only care about yourself. There is no justification.
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>>64002249

lol
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>>64002298
A mature group can still be bogged down when certain splats steal the niche of another splat. Yes, it supports crossover, but it's YOUR job as ST to tell the offending 'hogging' player 'Hey, let the other players actually have some fun and do stuff, fucking magefag.'
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>>64002448
It's trivial for ANY mage to make a shitload of money tho
That's the most bullshit selling point.
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>>64002498
That's the ST's fault, not the player.
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>>64002521
Seers get access to 10 dots of resources, which is functionally infinite money that you don't have to use your magic on.
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>>64002477
If only evil dickheads join the Seers, how come they are bigger than all the other Orders?
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>>64002536
Hence why I said the ST has to rein in the moron player who is doing ALL THE THINGS because of his splat's stuff.
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>>64002521
Resources 5 is easy(-ish) for a mage like a Fate master casting Shifting the Odds, or just employing other gimmicks. Resources 10 is kinda... difficult as a Pentacle mage. Its possible, but leveraging that much magic with enough finesse is... hard.
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>>64002576
Because evil dickheads outnumber everyone
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>>64002576
The fuck makes you think there are more selfless do-gooders than evil dickheads in the fucking world of darkness?
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>>64002584
He reins in the player through narrative means. If he has to tell the Mage player to btfo, then he's failed his job. You do that before the game starts. Bring in a mature player who won't abuse.
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>>64002613
I don't, but there are absolutely more morally neutral people than evil dickheads and a morally neutral person would pick the Pentacle over the Seers.
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>>64002598
A Mage can easily gain money by winning lotteries and such. Only a brain-dead one would do so or do it quickly, publicly and sloppily. Every supernatural faction will be suspicious and it brings down way too much scrutiny.
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>>64002636
>a morally neutral person would pick the Pentacle over the Seers.
And they do. The pentacle is the bigger faction. Doesn't mean infinite money, drugs and mundane power isn't hella attractive to many that awaken. To think otherwise is to be willfully ignorant of the human condition.
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What's something in particular about Mage that really ticks you off when it comes to crossover splat interaction? Shit like siderite =/= cold iron, messing with contracts(demon or changeling) and Shielding spells casually dismissing splat-curses like a promethean's Disquiet or a vampire's sunlight curse, etc. Anything you're fearful of that might happen in future supplements? I'm currently terrified what Death 4 can do to a sin-eater
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>>64002794
>I'm currently terrified what Death 4 can do to a sin-eater

Probably not much, unless people are rule zeroing the "no 86ing templates til archmastery."

>What's something in particular about Mage that really ticks you off when it comes to crossover splat interaction?

I guess just ESes
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>>64002794
Nothing desu, I don't get mad that one splat is stronger than another. It's a fictional world.
We had a Mage has the endgame NPC for my last Requiem game, it was fun.
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>>64002794
Meh, their powers are fine, just don't let a jackass play the mage.
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>>64002794
I love mage but hate literally everything about it in crossover.
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>>64002794
I've learned to accept whatever Mage, or Dave says. There's no point in making a fret over it. My first and foremost annoyance would be Strix being man handled by a Death Mage. The biggest bads of nuVamp rendered into silly putty. Terrible.
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>>64002828
>We had a Mage has the endgame NPC for my last Requiem game, it was fun.
Unless you can give us a short summary I am calling out your bulshit lies
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>>64002794
>>64002842
>Death
Was a mistake. Ripped off Spirit with bits of other Arcana thrown in so edgy cunts can feel almighty.
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Contagion is going to be SOOOO bad
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>>64002891
>it's this faggot again
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>>64002891
Death is the best Arcanum shut up you cunt
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>>64002891
>The problem with Death is powers that aren't printed
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>>64002852
Undead cowboy with 150 years of experience, 5 dots in celerity, 5 dots in dexterity, and 5 in firearms, plus specialization in revolvers, plus area of expertise in dueling (revolvers).
He just shot him in the forehead with a 500 S&W Magnum the split second he saw him.
Then everybody went to give high quality coke to whores and drink from them.
Not that anon, but there was once upon a time such a character... that's why I liked so much discovering the other day the son about the ghul outlaw
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>>64002933
Worst Arcanum for worst players.
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>>64002794
>Don't crossover with Mage
Even Magefags will tell you this.

>If you have to, don't give them access to arcana that deal with the focus of the story
Don't put a Moros in a vampire-heavy game or an Acanthus in one that deals with Changelings and contracts, etc.

>Don't give than access to arcana that help them step on the toes of the other players' characters
Don't put a Mastigos in a game with a vamp or a Thyrsus in a game with a woof, etc.

Try your fucking hardest to make sure the Mage is out of their depth and unable to easily apply their arcana to solve the chronicle 5 minutes into it. While you can't *keep* them from doing so, especially as their arcana gets up there, try to put it off for as long as you can by not allowing story-relevant arcana.
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>>64002852
Okay, we were playing in Chicago. The ST had a crossover thing, where every CofD game he was running took place in the same universe. Apparently, he had Mage game running in Chicago too, in which shit went south and someone summoned an Abyssal Entity(I don't know all the details, but I think it was Rank 5 and killed all the Mage players.)
The Entity also managed to kill the Prince, but the Prince had been keeping a Mad Master of Time to protect him from Mages that would delete him from existence. The endgame arc was about finding this Mad and convincing him to change the past so the Abyssal Entity was never summoned. The Mad eventually agreed to do that and leave Chicago, in exchange for being set free and us agreeing not to interfere in his experiments for the rest of time.
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>>64002954
Death is the best parts of Spirit and Entropy mixed in with awesome
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Reminder that according to Requiem a single Fate Adept can undo an entire Vampire Domain
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>>64002991
And with a very original name
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>>64003042
This shitbait is almost as original as naming an Arcana "Death".
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>>64003042
Okay, why does that matter?
At this point I'm convinced all "magefags" are just vampniggers false-flagging
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>>64003043
I am sad that Forces wasnt renamed Destruction
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>>64003069
Spoiler alert: everyone who plays this game is awful.
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>>64002991
Case in point. It's nothing but stolen parts of better Arcana mixed with necro-fetish.
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>>64003069
No, I am a Proud All Nighter (MVGA) and I don't false flag as a Magefag. I would feel dirty.
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>>64003110
>Forgot pic
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>>64003082
Wasn't there some homebrew floating around for reworked quilpothic spheres, something like life - death, forces - destruction and so on?
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>>64003176
No idea, good sir.
I only know there is a scary owl looking down my windown.
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So I just got invited to a high school themed Chronicle next week consisting of Vampire, Werewolf, Mage and Changeling and mortals. All 2e. Because apparently our ST is an avid Vampire Diaries obsessed single mother. How cringe is this going to be?
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>>64003206
Does she have whitish eyes, bone-white beak and marks that go way down from her eyes? Been looking long for that particular one.
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>>64003258
Not that bad so long THAT GUY isn't mage.
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>>64003258
You'll have to play your hand very poorly in order to not get laid that night.
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>>64003267
I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem to have eyes.
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>>64003258
Funny thing, even in Vampire Diaries, casters reign supreme. Hell, vampires were created by a sorceress, both times.

Doppelgangers sorta have shades of Changeling, if you squint real hard.
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>>64003285
Just don't drink anything that you didn't pour yourself.
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Reminder that Stands can beat Mages
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>>64003381
>lying
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>>64003381
If servants cant beat mages then stands sure as hell stand(heh) no chance :^)
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Okay okay
Tell me how your last game session went.
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>>64003300
You are fortunate. Now, if its eyes appeared to be even, pupil-less, glowing, you might've had a problem.
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>>64003418
Which one of them can stop time, again?
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Why the fuck can't you just befriend a fucking mage IN CHARACTER

They're not universally 'I keel u', they'd actively bother sitting down with another supernatural for the simple sake of learning something

you guys are dumb
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>>64003422
My very last session went with the Sabbat discovering (or more accurately, acknowledging) my double dealing and fence-hoping with the Camarilla, riddling me with bullets to slow me enough for the grenade to blow me up.
Ventrue, but I went underground with Protean with zero blood to wake the next night.
It was the end of the chronicle and it was well deserved. I was doomed anyway, and I knew it.
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>>64003468
Just the same, sir, but being looked down by an eyeless owl is a bad omen in my land.
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>>64003500
1) Games are about conflict
2) PCs don't want to play second fiddle
3) Nobody actually plays WoD in this thread
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>>64003500
>Why the fuck can't you just befriend a fucking mage IN CHARACTER
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>>64003514
A glorious end, Anon!
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My players have taken significantly more damage from themselves than from their enemies, is that normal?
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>>64003567
Thank you. I should mention that the Sabbat were actually the other two players. No ill will, I ruined their invasion but they got to find "the mole" and likely promoted. Or likely executed for not finding me before. You know the Sabbat.
In any case so long into the aftermath was not roleplayed, only talked.
And everybody losing is how a proper noir vampire tale should end anyway.
Although it irks me that my last char was a fucking Ventrue, I loved him all the same.
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>>64003550
The Mysterium is doing NOTHING WRONG!
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>>64003627
Hahaha no. I did once jump out a high-rise to escape certain death, but those things are the exception, not the rule (also I knew I was taking 10 dice of lethal because I was going to go in terminal velocity, as I do actually read the rules, so I decided that was survivable).
Unless you mean "taking damage from one to each other", in which case depends the type of game you are playing.
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>>64003632
The Mysterium has literally always done everything wrong.
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>>64003650
I meant self-inflicted.
One of the PCs is consistently 1 or 2 points of damage away from going down by the end of every session.
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>>64003684
Could you please elaborate and give examples?
Maybe tell him to be more mindful, in private, that you are not going to babysit him every single time.
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>>64003550
Why... why are they wearing kippahs?
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>>64003716
Are you kidding?
It obviously means I need to ramp up the difficulty of the enemies to balance things out.
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>>64003656
Hairless apes incapable of rising above their nature and supernatural aberrations are NOT people, no matter what Free Council hippies think.
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>>64003741
Yes... that makes sense... I hadn't seen it before... how foolish...
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>>64003656
>>64003757
Settle down, children.
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>>64003757
Jeeze, that's kind of a harsh way to talk about your own mom.
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>>64003627
>damage from themselves
What sort of game are you running, psion?
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>>64003807
Mage
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>>64003824
Oh, then you DEFINITELY need to ramp up the difficulty of the enemies!
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>>64003824
Ah, that's alright, carry on then.
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>>64003787
Fuck you nobody invited the Silver Ladder to this fight.
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>>64003787
Typical of the meddling Silver Ladder to stick their nose in where it doesn't belong.
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>>64003839
The Technocracy was right all along.
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>>64003852
The Timori were right all along.
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>>64003837
Balance in Mage is hard.
Either something can kill the PCs in one turn or it dies in the second.
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One ofd my players wants Majesty at six dots. She's a very ancient sacred religious prostitute dating way back from before Babylon, so I will let it slide. Only I need help homebrewing what Majesty 6 would even do. Ideas?
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>>64004290
Something to do with viral memes. She's the heart of the social underworld. A livingdead national treasure, along those lines.
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>>64004290
Why would you want to give your player Majesty 6 in the first place? That's largely pointless.
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For all the talk of facing off against sentient timelines and what not, is there anything stopping a mage from just unmaking an abyssal entity as easily as anything else?
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>>64004801
Yes, magic don't work right on them.
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>>64004801
How does one target a whole universe?
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>>64004549
She asked, and argued it was appropriate considering her considerable age and influence. We all know each other rather well within the confines of real life, so, I'm not worried about any power play going on.
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>>64004290
Can't you just give her something like the 6dot from Presence in V20?
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>>64003486
Mages.
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>>64003422
My character become a Scelesti
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>>64004290
>what Majesty 6 would even do. Ideas?
Allows using Majesty 1 to 5 "remotely", either bestowing it to object or over transmission.
This wasn't much powerful in ye olde times, where all you could do was to write somebody strongly worded letter that will give them the special push or produce inspiring word of art, manifesto, etc. (has to be handwritten, printing press doesn't work)
However it exploded in 19th century, with radio, phones, and other media becoming commonplace (has to be "live" speaking or performance, doesn't work off the record).
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>>63993035
I love these triggerings
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>>64002576
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Free Council actually the biggest order?
I thought it was FC > Seers > others.

>>64004290
Say no to 6 dot disciplines. Just make some good devotion.
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>>64004290
>>64007423
>Say no to 6 dot disciplines. Just make some good devotion.
This.
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Can someone help me with a question about VtM v5?
I wanted to buy Allies with my final point and I wanted to know if the character would default to reliability 1 since I only spent points on getting effectiveness 1 or would it simply be effectiveness 1 and nothing in reliability.
If they have nothing in reliability would they even come if you call for help?
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>>64010451
One point in Allies is unimportant mortal that only helps when he's able to, when it doesn't get in the way of his work or any pressing commitments.
Still handy when he's a cop, journalist or blood bank operator.
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>>64010600
Also, one point is one point. Don't trust them with anything even slightly risky or important, they'll likely bungle it up.
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>>64010600
SO buying 1 point in ally would be.
Ally: 1 Effectiveness and 1 Reliability.
So it defaults to Reliability 1 unless you put points into it?
Makes sense i guess, its just they don't really explain it well in the book sadly.
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>>64010857
V5 is awful in general. Badly written, badly edited, badly thought-out.
In V5 low-rated allies are useless. You're paying double for a schmuck with 1 in most stats. That appears whenever he damn pleases. He's got more chances to fuck up than to do anything useful.
Get one more dot in Resources instead. Get Contacts, they can get you info, gear and other stuff even aside from being able to do their primary job for your benefit. Even Retainers is generally better, since you don't have to pay extra for reliability.
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>>64010857
>>64011061
V5 Allies have some use at four-five dots, when you can take whole communities of gifted mortals or a single mage. Anything lower is too deficient to bother with.
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>>64011061
Fair enough i'll get contacts 1 instead.
But I did just get the v5 and if it is really bad then should I try out the v20 version of the game instead of v5?
New to the vampire stuff in general.
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>>64011225
Books are in the OP, read the core and pick whatever you like.

First edition of Masquerade is the best, but old and got very little sourcebooks for it. Good if you want to run Dracula, Underworld, Vampire's Dawn and Nightwatch.

Second edition of Masquerade is clunkier, much slower with lots of rolling, extremely edgy, and got a lot of fun and imbalanced powers. Good if you want to run Blade, Bloodrayne or Legacy of Kain.

Revised's got the most books, but it's incredibly clunky mechanically. Good if you want to run Masquerade Revised, and only for that, but still the most popular edition. V20 is a worsened Revised. But with colours, if that's your thing.

Requiem's got simplified combat and overcomplicated morality/roleplay system. Good if you want to run Twilight of Vampire Diaries.

V5 is playable. And they finally put in some long-demanded features. But it's poorly written, poorly organized, simple and complicated in all the wrong places and plainly not as enjoyable as the rest. But playable.
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In oWoD if you wanted to attack one and defend once is that a multiple action or do you get 1 attack and 1 defend?
Book says you get 1 action but is defend an action in the books logic?
If so do you have to guess how many times you might get attacked and declare actions in response to that?
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>>64011502
You can declare defensive action, or abort offensive action for defensive one, you don't have to guess.
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>>64011502
You only get one action, but if you're attacking, you abort, or you originally split your pool to attack once and defend once. Enjoy rolling 8 sets of dice rolls for the split though.
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>>64011502
>multiple action
You split your dice pools for multiple actions unless you use Celerity Discipline, Time Sphere or analogous abilities.
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>>64011571
>>64011644
>>64011651
Thanks for clearing that up just wanted to make sure I was doing it right in that if players want to attack and defend its a multi action or they have to abort their attack to defend instead.
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>>64011703
Split pools and aborts are terrible in general though. Combat takes so freaking long. At least play a version of vampire with passive defense like Requiem or V5,so there's less time wasted with niggly bits in combat.
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>>64011807
>Combat takes so freaking long.
it really boils down to how many people have Celerity
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>>64011807
>Requiem or V5 are terrible in general
Fixed that for you. Their combat is too boring and primitive, might as well not roll at all or use 1e's automatic success/one roll to resolve anything.
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>>64011902
Sure. I love spending 4 hours on a ten minute fight, instead I can spend 30 minutes on a ten minute fight.
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>>64011963
Agreed. If anything is worse than classic WoD combat it's Exalted. Requiem and V5 are far more fun. Classic WOD combat is far too simulationist.
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>>64012054
While yes, V5's combat example sucks (and there have been additional exampled of how things work vetted by Karim), V5's combat only really breaks down and is funky when you use a traditional countdown initiative in conjunction with split attack pools. Otherwise, it's good and fast, you have options, it does what it's meant to do (cinematic, not blow by blow), and it gets combat done and out of the way and you can not worry about spending 4 hours on a ten minute fight.
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>>64011963
That's "spending 30 minutes on the same dumb rolls, and four more hours on morality/stain/degradation shit" of Requiem/V5 as opposed to "spending 40 minutes on complex, action-packed martial arts showdown, or mowing down a room of mercs in under two minutes" of Masquerade 1/2. But to each their own, I guess.
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>>64012165
You obviously haven't played if you think you spend 'four hours' on morality stuff is at all accurate, but continue to repeat what people who haven't played it piss out their mouths all over the internet.

Also, 'complex, action-packed martial arts' are so great for 'make the same old dice rolls in Revised with even MORE fluctuating difficulties/threshold success than normal, to make another person have even MORE fluctuating difficulties/threshold success', to get scads MORE dice to add to your already four rolls per combat action,, or achieve some effect like disarming, versus achieving most all of that via maneuvers and the narrative in V5 combat (Requiem skews the OTHER way, with stuff like fighting styles and scads of bonuses, but a sensible amount of rolls).

Which one will I ever choose?
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>>64004801
>>64005032
No, abyssals have no special rules for magic interaction most of the time. Annunaki aren't fightable due to their massive size, being outside reality etc., but an Abyssal Verge can be combatted the same way any verge (quarantine it off with space, remove the soul stone involved) but conceivably the intruders, or the Annunaki, could fuck you up.
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>>64012350
You claim it took you those four hours to get through a ten-minute scene. There's one complete piss-brained retard that haven't played a game here alright. It is you.
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>>64012488
Nah, I've run and played plenty of vampire since starting to play in 1997. Four hours is an exaggeration (obviously, though it's hard to tell if your 'four hours' was one, considering how much people over-exaggerate the things they hate from V5), but VtM's combat is significantly longer than any other version of vampire otherwise released. What takes a couple of hours in VtM Revised takes about 30 in V5, maybe about an hour in Requiem, especially if everyone is actively engaged.

But for VtM. I mean. Four rolls (on average) for each thing you're doing, the extension of time via Celerity, choosing combat maneuvers (if needed), the extension of time from systemic issues such as zero damage combat rolls via Soak and other material, and then fucking around with the difficulties/threshold success variance, all of that adds up time.
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>>64012662
Sorry, over-exaggerate the things they hate as fact.
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>>64012662
>VtM's combat
Revised (up to 32~ minutes) and V20's (40+ minutes) combat. 2e is faster, 1e is faster still, and both of those two encourage you as a storyteller to drop all unnecessary rolls whenever possible, and not use mechanical complications unless the mood calls for it.

And neither of them feels the need to push their crappy integrity systems upon you and your players like Requiem and V5 do. I've tried them all, but so far am less impressed with V5/Requiem.
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>>64012662
>over-exaggerate the things they hate from V5
I've had big hopes for it, to be honest. It's less exaggeration and more unpleasant experience of trying to run it acerbated by realisation that some good ideas went in that garbage fire when they could've been better used in Requiem 2,5/3.
It's not unsalvageable, given that it is built on the bones of two great games, but it's the least of the franchise for certain.
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>>64007423
>>64009058
>just use devotions

Except they don't carry the necessary amount of weight I'm looking for.
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>>64012662

You know what. I like "you hit with a downward slash the right wrist of the opponent, who lets out a piercing scream as he drops his gun; his companion, now flanking you, shots nearly point blank, hitting your liver like an iron fist, and leaving a nasty hole in your necrotic flesh" versus "you slash the oponent who takes the "beat down" tilt and is out of combat, and the other one one shots you but there is only one superficial damage".

Yes, one thing takes more time than the other. But you will justify me how a guy with dexterity 5 (a world class acrobat) and a guy with dexterity 1 (granma), both with strenght 2 and brawl 2, apparently deal the same damage.
Because you only roll Brawl+Strenght, as apparently those are the only two stats you need to determine the outcome of a fight.

Yes, simplified rolls. Yes, very fucking stupid.
Yes, the alternative takes time. So what? A fight to death with three guys should a dramatic moment, far more dramatic than the time that Harpy told you "you are wearing an outdated jacket, how pathetic" and all the other bloodsuckers laughed at you. But one is apparently important to roleplay, the other has to be glossed over as "punch punch, yeah, he's dead".
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>>64013309
Then you, mine friend, are a complete and utter brainlet and I hope you get help soon
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>>64013309
Requiem as a whole doesn't carry amount of weight you're looking for. There's no 6+ Disciplines, there's no 6+ enitity vampires.

If you want your player to be the super-special rule-breaking snowflake, might as well ask him what he wants from that power, and give them that as a Maj5/Dom5/Vig5(or whatever else he's got)/BP10 Devotion.
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>>64013435

And please, tell me I don't know what I am talking about, tell me I haven't seen moronic players talk for 45 minutes straight about what should they do with this prisoner (without a single roll).
Or those who take 30 fucking minutes to notice the written note on top of the desk.

>Are you going to search the place?
>Nah we should go back
>But there may be important info...
>Nah I will just beat this other NPC and force him to tell me what I want to know
>Alright
>Oh, and I am about to roleplay THE FUCK of that interrogation
>Right...

Yeah, I don't know what I am talking about.
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>>64013309
You're talking to magefags. They don't want their precious archamages threatened by homebrew
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>>64013571
>magefags, magefags everywhere
Take your meds.
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>>64013571
This is implying 6+ Disciplines would match 6+ Arcana.

Hint: They wouldn't
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>>64013309

V20, pages 196 and 197.
You are welcome.
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>>64013621
How many characters have you played with 6+ Arcana?
Probably the same number of times I played Antediluvians.
How many with 7+ Arcana? As many times as I played Caine, you say?
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>>64013597
Projecting wont get you anywhere
>>64013621
How do you know? You haven't idea what rhey would be like. Its also one fucking discipline, why does everything have to upset you?
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>>64013688
The only one here upset is you, nig nog. Someone asked for Majesty 6, people told them to use Devotions instead, then you come barging in accusing us of being Mage fags. Jesus, you are a dumb fucking cunt.
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>>64013681
It's funny, Awakening actually has a proper, useable system for playing godlike characters. Ascension and Masquerade seemed to think 'cool new god powerz go nutz lul' was acceptable.
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>>64013660
>bloodbond effect that lasts a scene
>dread gaze for faggots
>i wanna use animalism but my mommy wouldnt let me
V20 blows.
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>>64013859
He asked for 6 dot powers for "Majesty", I provided them with three options.
You just bitch about it.
Good job helping.
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>>64013759
>So ST, tell me, what are the dice pool for me being a God
>Here you have young child, do you also want the Spirit Ranking System?
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>>64013924
>Oh, uh, Level 7 Supernal Spirit for me please
>Level 8 Archamage
>Not fair! Level 8 Qashmalin
>tfw you only level 8 Luna
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>>64013759
its proper, but usable... Really?
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>>64013904
Your options are shit, anon. You could've at least used a better edition, though anon who told him to ask the player and make a devotion already provided sufficient answer.
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>>64013435
What you described is exactly how V5's maneuvers work, as a note. Giving bonuses to dice based on your narrative options (including standby options like aiming or slashing someone across the wrist for disarmament/making their combat capabilities lesser, and such covered as maneuvers); granting yourself sudden Surprise in combat; blocking opponents and interposing yourself. all out-attacks and defenses granting you additional bonuses. V5 is a narrative system, everything you described there you could do in V5 via maneuvers.

It took me a minute when you said 'the same damage' to realize you were complaining about the damage rolls. So what? Dexterity as both a to-hit and damage stat with some of the most powerful damages in the game (guns) is often busted. Of course, that falls back down to the GNS theory discussion. It doesn't personally bother me, particularly when you get into the later systems having their damage ratings be just flat damage instead of yet *more* dice to roll.

As far as the tilt thing, I'll agree with you there I'm not a fan of the 'status condition' stuff from CofD (but I've only really ever played a couple of games of it and found that it was different enough from NWoD 1e that I wasn't interested, so...)
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>>64013951
Yes, it is 100% functional. Is it horridly overpowered? Absolutely.
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>>64003550
Don't mages get extrasensory perception in their first dot?

There's no reason to vivisect things when you can see through their various flesh layers to examine their inner workings while still living/undead. You get significantly less information from dead things.
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>>64014078
>There's no reason to vivisect things when you can see through their various flesh layers to examine their inner workings while still living/undead

"God damn hedgefag has a pair of sexy kidneys"
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>>64014129
I would like what constitutes attractiveness for kidneys
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>>64014078
Vivisection expands that understanding. And, well, there's some oddly soothing in meticulous preparation of a subject.

You might like cooking, werewolf might like marking threes, demon might like repairing bikes, hunter might like assembling guns and explosives, and life mage likes disassembling living things and putting them back together.
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>>64014186
Kidneys have those desirable curves, you know?
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Just how fucked up and boundless would sex with a Life mage really be?
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>>64014201
>Vivisection expands that understanding.

In what way? Make a magic microscope and you can see how all your subjects gizzards and gonads work in real time. You don't need to touch them.
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>>64014078
>no reason
Fun. Mages obtain joy from other people's suffering. And from their own suffering too.
Awakening Mages are basically Tremere+Tzimisce but with pointy hats and the morals of a nephandus.
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>>64014258
Can turn your entire body in an erogenous zone, first and foremost. Apply Mind for some entirely out-of-this-world experiences and sensations. Licking a person's armpit could send them into suicidal bliss.
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>>64014286
Spirit mages get to fuck the moon.
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>>64014186
A better question is why a random magefags first impulse on something sexy is Hedgefag. Did he realy turn 'em gay?
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>>64014313
The answer is obviously yes
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>>64014313
Hedgefag has a contract "If you adress me by my name - Hedgefag - and if you are a Magefag, you become gay and attracted to me. This effect increases every time you say my name. In exchange, you get to see a ripped link wearing female clothes".
Y'all sealed the contract without knowing it.
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>>64014278
Enough to shape and mould and change them, more than enough to break and destroy, but you won't learn it all by looking.
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>>64014310
>Licking a person's armpit could send them into suicidal bliss.
lol
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>>64014312
Why would you want worst furfag's sloppy seconds?
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>>64014351
I regret nothing.
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hedgefag tell us your real germ name pls we want to know which name to fap to
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>>64014421
Hans
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>>64014443
Hansel?
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>>64014470
Heinz
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>>64014500
Heineken
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>>64014313
I would willingly [redacted] Hedgefag's [redacted] into his [redacted] and [redacted]
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>>64004801
Because abyssal entities aren't usually something you can unmake. How do you unmake a catchy children song which sometimes creates a horrible murderer out of kid?
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So I think this is a good place to ask, what would be a good edition of mage to start learning? I was thinking of m20 but I wanted thoughts.
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I sometimes wonder just how creeped out and disturbed Hedgefag is by you losers.
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>>64014608
Fux?
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>>64014614
Well, its my responsibility to take care of them, isnt it? I mean, i created those cum craving boi tois afterall.

>>64014651
That's right, but you can never be certain that it is my name. Or for example, the name i use on discord
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>>64014610
Revised. Or learn Awakening 2e and then use Conversion Guide to make Ascension out of it.
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>>64014581
You seem to underestimate what Awakened magic can do or specifically how broad it is. Most high concept abyssals like that still fit comfortably under 1 or more arcana.

Besides... "mages have cosmic phenomenal power because they face cosmic phenomenal foes" and "their powers don't actually do anything against their foes" kind of sucks, imo
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>>64014610
Ascension 2e got the best pitch.
Awakening 2e got the most coherent rules.
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>>64014812
>kind of sucks, imo
Welcome to the World of fucking Darkness.
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>>64014941
>Ascension 2e got the best pitch.
'Delusional cosplayers waving props around' has never really managed to work for me, as far as pitches go.
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I want Hedgefag to submit to my Mage dominance
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>>64015096
This is my sexual fantasy.
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>>64015096
Ring up a Mastigos if you aren't one yourself. Call an Acanthus instead if you wanna go about being poetic with the whole thing.
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>>64014812
>You seem to underestimate what Awakened magic can do or specifically how broad it is.
Oh, as an Mage GM I know very well how much Awakened magic can accomplish. But the thing is that "can" and "can without unforeseen complications, unwanted consequences and necessary sacrifices" are completely different things.

>Most high concept abyssals like that still fit comfortably under 1 or more arcana.
They aren't. The entire point of Abyssals is that they break rules, don't fit into your preconceptions and you can't deal with them comfortably.

>Besides... "mages have cosmic phenomenal power because they face cosmic phenomenal foes" and "their powers don't actually do anything against their foes" kind of sucks, imo
Mages have cosmic phenomenal powers, because they face foes who don't play by rules. Otherwise there is just no chance to win.
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>>64014581
Mind or Time
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>>64015096
Unlikely. For to be dominated by you, you first need an angle to dominate me with. And you as a person know that you lack that angle
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>>64015194
I can make that angle for you baby
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>>64013759
No, it doesn't. Those rules exist but they fall to shambles the moment you look at them too hard
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>>64015192
Congrats, how you have to run all over around the city to cast Mind spells on their minds! Which will, by the way, go down sooner or later, not really solving the problem and possibly making it worse when Abyssal is able to come back into their minds.
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>>64015251
Nah
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>>64015194
>Oh, snap!
Damn, didn't you you were a sassy half german half black woman, Hedge.
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Archmage or True Fae waifu?
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>>64015293
Vampire über alles always. You can such each other in a circle and never go dry.
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>>64015293
True Fae. You'll be just another chess piece to an Archmage, lover or not.
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>>64015293
Neither, as both will not view you as a sentient being.

>>64015270
The only black thing on me is my suit and my humour.
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>>64015256
No, something doesn't need to be a physical object for you to target it. And making spells permanent doesn't take that terrible much work
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>>64015303
Plus, mutual blood bond. And I personally love destructive co-dependant relationships, don't know about y'all.
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>>64015324
And you don't really need that uniform all the time ;)
Ok this is actually becoming True Fag
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>>64015327
Yes, but something have to be an object. In this kind, it's mind of the kid you use Mind upon, which contains the Abyssal song. You can't target the song itself.
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>>64015362
How is dressing like an adult faggy?
Or did you want to type true fae? Because in a meta way, every player in a changeling game is a rrue fae with a single actor, starting with his first title of "changeling".
Atleast thats how i view it lol
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>>64015383
No, it doesn't. You can target things like heat or physical space. There's no reason I can see why you can't do an aoe unmaking on the memory of that song using the magic rules we have
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>>64015408
Forget it, you should rest that pretty little head of yours.
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>>64014186
That reminds me, wife of my friend was recently in surgery and the doctor asked her afterwards if she ever drinks alcohol, because he hasn't seen such pretty liver in a while.
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>>64015499
Brains are sexy.
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>>64015600
Stop posting other peoples nudes on the internet anon, god what an asshole
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>>64015600
anon pls I already masturbated today
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>>64015600
It makes me uncomfortable knowing that this is essentially all that we are
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>>64015419
>you can't do an aoe unmaking on the memory of that song
You definitely can. However, this isn't going to be easy! First of all, you need to be Mind Master to cast Unmaking. Second, you'll need to spend some Reach to make it Lasting, like in Mind Wipe. Third, you'll need to actually find all the children who remember the song, and gather them in one place, because there are hard limits on size of said AoE. And last, there is no guarantee that said song won't just come back from the Abyss in some time after that especially to spite you. Good luck don't all that as a starting character.
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True Fae are fickle and capricious, yeah, but is it possible for them to become eternally obsessed with something or someone? Trying to come up with a very dangerous antagonist here. Someone who is ceaseless and won't stop for centuries to come.
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>>64015600
Lol we all are just scary jellyfishes
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>>64015766
Depends on their Title I suppose. Some can be quite the Neverending Story.
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>>64015766
There was a Charlatan in some supplement (the Blue Man, or whatever) who became obsessed with telling a story that's never been told to an ancient rival True Fae who's heard everything. Something along those lines. He can't return to Arcadia until he accomplishes this task.
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make a new thread, you whores
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>>64015766
>eternally obsessed with something or someone
Never eternally. For an absurdly long time, sure. Forever implies a consistent and predictable set of behavior. Even then, it would be a title and easily discarded when it gets boring.
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>>64016284
>Never eternally
It could damn well be eternally. Arcadia cares not for your senses of temporalities.
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>>64016499
That just sounds like a predictable and boring mindset. Not something I ever attribute to True Fae but to each their own.
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>>64016284
True Fae can't ditch Titles, they can only ditch their acts. If a Title is relevant to a single something, it's probably going to stick to that single something for as long as it carries said Title.

Think Gentry who take on inanimate forms, such as artifacts, trinkets or weapons. They'll willingly be Excalibur, for example, waiting in that stone for a thousand years *just to play the part*, because that long wait is *fun* for them. They are their stories. They breath narrative.

Imagine a Gentry with the Title of Lucy's Best Friend. Does that Gentry interpret it as a specific Lucy, or any Lucy whatsoever?
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>>64016556
I mean, it IS Faerie. Faerie in common myth is notoriously outside of temporal understanding. The True Fae are some of the most ancient entities in the setting, bar Supernals who retroactively always existed.
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