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Rey the Specialest Bestest Jedi Edition

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>>63979567
Fuck it, this is 18th century socioeconomics and military strategy edition now.
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>>63979422
Sure feels like it.
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>>63979567
Man, that scene was bad. But compared to all the other scenes, I forgot it was even there.
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>>63979642
Fair enough. What have you got in mind?
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>>63979743
>>63979642
Talk about the Star Wars things you want to talk about you mincing faggots. Stop being passive-aggressive cunts, stop playing the martyr.
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>>63979742
Same. Rey being more powerful than every other Force user in the setting combined somehow manages to be the least of the movie's flaws.
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Rey canonically is only alive because of some as-yet unexplained divine intervention.
/tg/ related because that means Rey is a 10th level cleric.
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>>63979952
Either that or maybe she is a high level rogue and stole one of those laser daggers out of that guys hand.
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>>63979952
Once you see the guy drop his second blade you can never unsee it
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>>63979952

he just forgets he has a left side of his body...
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>>63979983
>Reveth

Plz tell me this is an official Sketch, the only real sketches we have of her is in a stylized comic
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>>63980039
But both her hands are accounted for, so unless she cast magic hand before the fight started I don't see how
>>63980060
He doesn't drop it. He drags it across her gut and then it disappears. I think they were planning on having Rey get injured here but then realized she wouldn't be able to save everyone later
>>63980095
I feel so bad for the stuntman in the suit. You can tell that all of them are phoning it in.
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>>63980237
Or maybe the dual dagger warrior was a magician and performed his disappearing dagger act during the fight.
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>>63980308
A classic. Too bad he couldn't make it reappear behind Rey's ear in time to save him
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>>63980237
>>63980308
>>63980431
Seriously would you shitlords kindly off yourselves?
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>>63980667
Are you literally shaking right now?
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>>63980667
Poking fun at cheesy choreography in the background isn't nearly the same thing as pointing out the primary fight choreography was immensely flawed.
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>>63980724
No are you incel. The OT looks even worse than the PT.
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>>63980751
You just hate women gamergate.
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>>63979796
Ah don't stain your knickers, I'm sure those are hilariously lightweight rocks. She's looking super proud for having moved pumice.

I will laugh my ass off if it turns out that behind her the entire time, invisible, was Anakin's ghost secretly whispering in her ear and literally doing the heavy lifting. The intention is that Kylo Ren's obsession has been secretly working against him this entire time but imagine the unfortunate implications if behind a woman was a stronk man doing all the work for her.
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>>63980806
>But who was the higher power doing all the work this entire time?
>IT'S ME, KYLO
>Aw son of a bitch
>IT'S ME KYLO. IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, KYLO.
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>>63980667
>background character in the largest ground battle ever depicted in star wars up to that date
>not even that bad as far as background choreography
Seriously watch Kill Bill

>vs. The literal main focus of the camera on the literal main character of the series in the "big fight" of the movie
This is supposed to be equal to Luke and Vader in ESB, not a background character in what many used to consider the worst film in the series.
Come on, anon. Bait me harder I love it
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>>63980791
You have to find gifs with severe frameskip to make that fight look even moderately questionable.

Christopher Lee is arguably the greatest stage swordsman in the history of Hollywood and as silly as flip-and-spin Yoda is, that fight is brilliantly choreographed.
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>>63980843
I remember people joking (at least I hope they were joking) that due to Anakin's special relationship with the Force being his daddy that he reincarnated to complete the work he fucked up the first time on balancing the Force and thus was reborn as Rey. That's why he's been absent from all this shit. Okay, Yoda and Obi-Wan had cameos as early as TFA in her first Force vision. Still it'd be pretty damn weird.
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>>63980888
Wasn't Christopher Lee unused in the fights? They had a much younger man and then digitally imposed Lee's head on his body?
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>>63980237
>He doesn't drop it. He drags it across her gut and then it disappears. I think they were planning on having Rey get injured here but then realized she wouldn't be able to save everyone later
I agree with your hypothesis on this. She even gasps like she got sliced for no reason I can see.
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>>63980888
>silly as flip-and-spin Yoda
There is nothing silly about it. It is a creative and effective fighting style that makes up for Yoda's inherent size and reach disadvantages.
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>>63980939
>Anakin reincarnates into Rey
I kind of want that but only if Obi-Wan's ghost shows up to snark. "Oh, first Tatooine and now Jakku? Don't YOU have a type. I think someone's been lying about their feelings regarding sand."

I think the Rey reincarnation bit (unless there were several/variations) was about her being a reincarnation of the First Jedi or a Force goddess or some shit. There was also something more about that tree but I don't recall.
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>>63981032
I just don't understand why they didn't reshoot. It looks like a 30-minute cut at worst.

Unless it's tinfoil hat time.
We all can tell that they killed Luke in post with MS PowerPoint-tier fade-out. I've always thought the scene where he died felt out of sequence, as if he was originally slated to be pulling his x-wing out of the water or something. So if in the original plans Luke actually arrived on Crait and saved the resistance because Rey was injured, then it might make more sense
Or that could just be fanfic-tier bad but I'm not a director. I just know that the theatrical release felt gimped
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>>63981141
>I think someone's been lying about their feelings regarding sand
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>>63981042
Master, Destroyers!
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>>63981163
>I just don't understand why they didn't reshoot.
They didn't care.
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>>63979642
>MUH AMERIFATS REVOLUTION WE WUZ GOOD GUYZ AN SHIET
>MUH BRITBONGS GEORGE WE WUZ GOOD GUYZ AN SHIET
When Star Wars becomes a battlefield for 18th century politics you know it's a chimpout.
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>>63980806
>imagine the unfortunate implications if behind a woman was a stronk man doing all the work for her
They already did that by having Rey copy-paste all of Ben Ren's training into herself.
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>>63980843
Ghost Sith Vince McMahon when?
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>>63980758
>>63980791
get raped
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>>63981274
She just read him like a book. That's okay. The real problem is the setup where she's a stereotypical woman longing for the bad boy thinking she can change him and then failing.
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>>63981224
Yeah, but that's a black pill I don't want to take.
Going from incompetence at the hands of a man who ultimately loved and understood SW, and subsequently made movies that were at least fun, to incompetence at the hands of people who want to process excellence because it furthers their agenda and any evidence of failure on their part is just racism/sexism/buzzwordoftheday
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>>63981329
She didn't though. The official explanation is she just downloaded all his moves like in The Matrix.
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>>63981372
>process
Profess
Hang me for a degenerate phoneposter
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>>63981329
The funny thing is that Adam Driver looks like the kind of guy who murders his craigslist dates.
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>>63979986
pretty epic anon.
Why did Rey care about kylo again?
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>>63981386
Not that guy but it looks to me like she's better than him in some areas. Even in TFA.
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>>63981296
After Renmaker Okada makes a surprise guest appearance at Galactimania and buries Roman Rey-gns. In other words, never, unfortunately.
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>>63981386
Yes, she read his mind. That was the scene where they were invading each other's mind. What did you think read him like a book meant? That he telegraphed his movements too much?
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>>63981438
She downloaded his moves in TFA.
>>63981437
JJ had an idea, according to both Daisy and Simon Pegg, but Rian threw it all out because he's Kathleen's golden boi.
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>>63981437
>Why did Rey care about kylo again?

He wore his pants like a grandpa and that turns her own
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>>63981437
He killed the woman and children too. Turns out the Anakin Method really does work! Makes girls flood their space panties which may or may not have been invented yet
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>>63981089
this. I have never understood why people dislike yoda's fighting style so much
Besides RLM telling them they had to of course.
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>>63981463
>>63981437
Nvm, I m8sread your question and thought it was the other way around.
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>>63981372
>>63981388
Process also kinda works, actually.
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>>63981477
Is Rey autistic like Padme?
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>>63981504
Process works better imo
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>>63981481
>Besides RLM telling them they had to of course.
That is 100% the reason.
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>>63981508
She wasted all her downtime on Jakku using holoChan and wound up incredibly frustrated in holo/soc/ posting threads titled, "Hey, any advice for finding lost parents?" and dealing with 400+ replies about how each poster would gladly be her daddy for that night. If only she'd strayed on holo/pol/ she could have seen the epic troll threads between Hux and Kylo Ren.
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>>63981462
Anon thought you meant literally read him.

"Chapter 1: Daddy Issues. Chapter 2: Mommy Issues. Chapter 3: Uncle Issues. Chapter 4: Grandpa Issues. Okay, this is bullshit. Is there a Cliffsnotes version of your brain?"
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>>63981604
I thought he meant "he's utterly transparent and a dumb and Rey just mentally put him in his place like the Strongest Woman Ever that she is".
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>>63981604
>Kylo, is this just a list of ADB's Warhammer novels?
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What are some interesting ideas for a shipyard besides the standard orbital drydocks and big artificial rings?
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>>63981815
A shipyard build into a planetary cliffside
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>>63980237
>>63981032
This movie only gets worse and worse the closer you look, I swear.
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>>63981841
ISD size ships can not be built on planets.
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>>63981815
Star Forge, but bigger.
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Almost every time I see someone complain about the combat of the ffg rpgs and how powerful the players are the GM mentions only sending like 2 rivals, 1 rival and 1 group of minions, or 1 nemesis by themselves, is that how it's recommended in the rule book and I've just glossed over that or is it the GM continuously underestimating the strength of the players?
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>>63981815
An asteroid field full of combination shipyard/asteroid mines.
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>>63981870
>ISD size ships can not be built on planets.
The cliffside is the only part of the planet remaining.
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>>63981915
No. In fact, things like Imperial Valor exist purely for team work, so a nemisis can use their folk as meat shields
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>it's another "baitposting OP ruins an entire thread" episode

How many points you think this pilot will be worth, /swg/? 3/2/3/2 statline, linked actions on both repositions but only calculate... will it be <41 (fit 5)? <36 (fit 6)?
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>>63981841
this
>>63981870
you're a fucking retard
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>>63982276
Nobody cares about boring shitty Xwing. Talk about Legion.
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>>63982316
You can't build ISDs on planets dumbass kid
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>>63982350
Not only has that never been true in legends, it's downright moronic to state that in canon.
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>>63979952
I relish how just after TLJ came out there were tons of reviewers and people online creating themselves over this scene. I felt like a lone crazy person thinking that all it took to trick everybody into thinking it was a masterfully shot scene was to bath the background in red. Looked like a shitty nightclub in my opinion.
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>be discussing with a friend a campaign he's running for myself and a few others who are new to tabletop
>"there's gonna be a couple battles you can't win, dude, they're fun, you'll see"
>"no, i'm not going to put a limit on how many times i can flip force points back and forth: if i want something to happen, it's happening. i won't do insta-win shit, trust me"
>"i'm not going to refresh force points from session to session: what you get the first session is what you get"

The game hasn't started but i'm already like 50 percent sure this friend is actually That GM and i don't like it
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>>63980667
>Haha the prequels were shitty too!

You sure showed us.
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>>63982475
Does he not realize that force points aren't for him but his players?
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>>63982316
>>63981841
But a shipyard has to be in orbit to make anything truly big. IF you dont have it in orbit or space, you cant make the big stuff, like Star Destroyers, that cannot enter atmosphere.
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>>63982276

I think 5 naked, maybe not 5 with Impervium.
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>>63982615
>star destroyers can't enter atmosphere
what piece of obscure pants-on-head-retarded EU rotgut did you roll up into a doobie and smoke? ISDs were cruising in the clouds in 1979's Han Solo's Revenge
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>>63982615
epic anon
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>>63982717
>ISDs were cruising in the clouds in 1979's Han Solo's Revenge
Vicstars actually, but yeah
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>>63982750
>citing mouse shit

ha ha ha oh no no no!
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>>63982861
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>>63982958
Not him, but those aren't ISDs. A lot less massive.
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Do we have information on beers in star wars, like common types, famous brands and so on?
My players have bought a bar and the more existing stuff there is the less I need to make up
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>>63983014
1100m and change versus 1600m. A significant difference, but not so significant as to prevent them from entering or leaving atmosphere.

Hell, Legends had much bigger ships entering and leaving atmosphere. Look at the Lusankya, for example, though to be fair it's been long enough that I don't remember all the details or if it had help but it was able to take off from the surface of Coruscant.

>>63983089
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Beer
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Alcoholic_beverages
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>>63983014

500 extra meters is a really arbitrary breakpoint on "that's too much displacement to take off from a planet".
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>>63983152
>>63983161
Mass, not length.
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>>63983177
It was taking off with its main engines, not repulsorlifts.
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>>63983314
>CANNOT ENTER ATMOSPHERE
Moved that goalpost so hard the welds fell apart
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>>63982958
>A lander specifically built for landing and an order of magnitude lighter can land

oh sweatie
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>>63983089
English style ales are dominant throughout the galaxy; so names like this or that Mild or Stout or Bitter or what have you should be common; bottles are much more common than cans, which are known as "ale tubes", not "beer cans"
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>>63983330
Not even that guy.
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>>63983331
>VENATOR CLASS STAR DESTROYER
>b-but i-it's just a transport!
D-, see me after class
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>>63983296

What's an ISD's mass.
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>>63983414
eleventy billion double-giga-cannot-enter-atmospherograms
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>>63979952
So, when they initially shot this scene, were they planning on Rey getting slashed across the abdomen and horribly wounded, or was this just a choreography fail?
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>>63981437
She recoils from him with a pained expression and falls to her knees so I'd assume they initially were going to have her get cut. Disney probably said it was too gruesome to show a protagonist suffer a bloody wound, and they changed it in post-production.
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>>63983883
>Disney probably said it was too gruesome to show a protagonist suffer a bloody wound
Finn gets filleted like a fucking fish by Kylo in episode 7, I highly doubt that was the reason
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>>63983352
>A lander specifically built for landing and an order of magnitude lighter can land

oh sweatie
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>>63983414
Big Chungus
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>>63983883
Both TFA and TLJ are PG-13 and feature several lightsaber-inflicted injuries. I highly doubt they were going to cut an injury for gruesomeness unless it was something that would have only passed for if the film was going for R-rated.
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>>63980667
>wow haha the prequals are so bad!
>haha I know right
>wow haha the sequals are so bad!
>EXCUSE ME?!
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>>63983994
claiming that venators are nothing more than landing ships takes the gold medal for "impressively stupid shit somebody doubles down on after being utterly BTFO by everyone in the thread"
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>>63983414
More than a Venator's. And a Venator's is less than an Imperator's.
>>63983451
SEETHING
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>>63983883
It was too problematic to show a strong female character like Rey suffer a bloody wound.
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>>63984139
Yeah, he's thinking of Acclamators.
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>>63983883
>>63983932
>>63984030
It's not as saber-violent as the OT or PT but we do so Han get impaled, Finn get sliced and diced, etc.

They probably just can't have MaRae Sue get injured onscreen.
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>>63984139
Not that anon, but I always figured that was their primary strength. It was certainly their primary role, at least from what I've seen of Clone War military philosophy. Not as heavily armed or shielded as later, far larger ISDs the bay components that run the length of the top of the ship would seem to exemplify the usage of the ship, namely deploying fighters and bomber support. The lower bay meanwhile seems to be more for the deployment of the heavy vehicles. Troops transports seem just as happy using either bay. This puts them as the ideal means of filling the skies or landing forces on the ground. Of course they need to be tough enough to survive engagements so those troops and ships have some place to return to.

I could be wrong, it's just the impression I had was always that rapid deployment was key to their proper usage, again based on how much of the real estate of the hull is dedicated to acting as a hanger opening. They arrive, offload forces, and functioning as massive mobile landing and support platforms. Of course they can also function in a siege and engage in siege breaking, too. There's some unconventional stuff you can do with them. I think my favorite was Anakin deploying a bunch of tanks onto asteroids, luring Grievous' forces into a trap as he focused on the ships without being aware of the danger.
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>suck at x-wing
>only play droids so I don't feel guilty getting actual pilots killed (or hyperspace away too often or whatever the fluff is regarding ships "losing")
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>>63984343
It's interesting because of the 6 movies (not counting The Clone Wars movie, just the live action ones) only RotS was PG-13. Yet all four movies released by Disney are.
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>>63984139
Doesn't matter, it's not fucking cannon anyways.
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>>63984451
What isn't?
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>>63984445
It's just a difference of rating systems. Some movies way back when would be rated much higher now, others would be rated lower.

Original Friday the 13th for example was R, but very tame compared to most R rated films today. It'd probably be PG13 with minor cuts and work just fine.

On the other hand Star Wars (ANH) was rated as PG but we get plenty of shooting, deaths, at least one swear, and a bloody dismemberment. It was more violent and less comical than TFA but has a lower rating.
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>>63984627
>On the other hand Star Wars (ANH) was rated as PG but we get plenty of shooting, deaths, at least one swear, and a bloody dismemberment. It was more violent and less comical than TFA but has a lower rating.
That's why Lucas made Greedo shoot first. It was either that or get a PG-13 slapped on ANH.
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>>63980758
Tibanna fuel can’t melt durasteel beams
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>>63984696
At last I truly sen
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>>63984696
Maybe retroactively, but in the theatrical release Han clearly shoots first, and I'd say the majority of fans go with that fact.
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>Han and Leia canonically didn't see each other for a long time
YOU JUST KNOW
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>>63981042
>it wasn't a force push gif

Absolutely embarrassing
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>>63984744
>retroactively
Yes, it was retroactive. That's why the change was made in the Special Edition, which was made after PG-13 was created, and not in any of the previous versions of ANH.
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Star Wars is the softest of science fiction you tards who are arguing about mass are too fucking dumb and in too deep put down the can of onions and turn off your switch
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>>63981163
There weren’t any things planned that got canceled as far I as can tell. The script had two drafts and the second was 90% the same as the first. Rian did shit because he wanted specific shots. He killed Luke and did the force projection because he wanted to film a scene of Hamel in front to a twin star sunset. She made bombers super weak because he wanted a World War II style bomb run. He had Ray steak Snokes ship off camera so he could have her on the salt planet to save the day. He had C3PO day there was no escape so they would fight just to have Poe say there is an exit in the back. He wanted shit and he wrote in all sorts of bs so he could get the shots he wanted. He wanted the hyperdrive shot because he thought it sounded cool.
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>>63984829
In his defense, the hyperspace ram was beautifully shot... except for it being so universe breaking. Any explanation yet?
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>>63984861
The explanation is "Shut up you toxic misogynerd, it's a children's movie with space wizards".
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>>63984861
>>63984891
>"Why You're Transphobic If You Dislike The Hyperspace Ram Scene" - article by Martin Goldberg for the Dailymail
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>>63984932
>Dailymail
The Daily Mail wouldn't be defending TLJ for its paper thin pretense of wokeness. It'd find some other, stupider reason to defend or attack it.
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>>63983014
>inb4 that doesn't count because it got blown the fuck up before it got to orbit.
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>>63984891
God I hate being treated like im supposed to be a shit eating retard
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>>63984984
Those are also designed to land, like Acclamators.
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How did Luke die?
Saw the movie,still not sure.
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>>63985132
He had a very meta vision about the film and a Rian trilogy and had a stress induced heart attack.
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>>63985132
Because it's not his story anymore. The Force belongs to everyone now, not just cishet white dudes.
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>>63985200
>>63985165
Makes sense.
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>>63985132
When Rey first had his connection to Rey he said “You couldn’t be doing this the effort would kill you.” So I guess Force Projection is a lethal skype call or all the damage Luke’s projection took didn’t affect him physically so once he was done he felt like he got blown to kingdom come and stabbed.
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>>63985229
When Kylo*
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>>63979952
>>63980237
>>63981032
That is really odd, maybe it was Improv between her and the guard stuntman?
>>63985132
The same way his mom did.

>>63982615
>>63982717
He's citing the WEG sourcebook that said Vicstars were able to enter atmosphere and land while ISDs were not.
>>63982833
Han Solo's Revenge's comic changed a Marauder from the novel to a Star Destroyer didn't it?
>>63982958
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>>63983161
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>>63983414
ISDs are also taller and seemingly less hollow than Venators.

>>63983177
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>>63983346
Lusankya had a massive repulsorlift sled built under it, the artist seems to have drawn that sled as a handful of tiny pods instead, but that's not how it was written.
>>63982750
>>63982861
Even pre-mouse there was TFU1's opening level.
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>>63985229
Funny part is that Yoda Force Projected to the Lothal Jedi temple in Rebels and didn't die. Glad to see Pablo and company earning their paychecks and keeping a coherent conflict free canon!
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>>63985286
TFU was absolute gutter-garbage.
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>>63985105
It's also fucking massive. Are the goalposts being moved again? You can't build big ships on a planet because they can't get themselves into orbit, except when they're designed to get themselves into orbit?
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>>63985313
Force projected twice, and so did Darth Maul
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>>63985446
No, landers like Core Ships and Acclamators are below whatever arbitrary mass threshhold keeps a ship from repulsorlifting off a planet without either external assistance or unacceptably compromising its capabilities elsewhere. Otherwise they wouldn't be much good for landing.
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Aside from the Blue Meanie himself, would any of the other Grand Admirals make good main antagonists for an AoR campaign?
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>>63985517
>>63985446
*elsewhere by devoting too much space to a sufficiently large repulsorlift
>>63985535
Miltin Takel, most glitterstimmed up non-Raith man in the galaxy.
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>>63985535
Decclan's also a Darkside user and was helping Palpatine Battle-Meditate at Endor.
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The "can't leave atmosphere" is kind of a dumb concept anyway, the ability to launch from an object is dependant on thrust and burn time - these ships are supposed to run for years hauling around their own masses and all their crew, cargo and complement mass at combat speeds - they can't beat the "standard variation" of gravity ~1g?
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>>63984861
I never really got the sense that the hyperspace ram really mattered a damn. If it never happens again in any future story I wouldn't be surprised, just as I wouldn't be surprised that the only ones who complain, bitterly, that it doesn't happen again are the people upset that it happened in the first place. Now you want a really broken thing that would be hyperspace tracking. Until now the easiest way to escape was jumping to hyperspace, and the biggest roadblock to that was calculating your path first. Now, however, hyperspace escape is largely rendered moot since apparently the FO can put a tracker in a normal ISD since (and if I recall correctly) destroying the one on the Supremacy wasn't the key. That's why they went to the trouble of instead faking the data. At the same time the method used to track people makes no sense. It's supposed to be a brute force calculation, but what benefit is it to know how many places you can exit when you have no way of brute forcing the math to find out where exactly they'll exit? Fortunately it can always be duped by using multiple jumps, as long as you can calculate a new jump before the enemy arrives they won't know your new trajectory to plug into their system. TLJ seems to be aware of this which is why they gave us the fuel problem limiting their ability to hyperspace.

But hyperspace ramming? Ha, what an idiotic thing to get your knickers in a twist about compared to the miniaturized death star tech they could be mounting on their ships instead. That's a much bigger issue. Fuck the arguments over the Mandator, too, that things puny dick cannon is nothing in comparison. The could be mounting this on ships large and small with air support to spare to defend it getting close to any target and apparently the only way to stop it is to drive right at it really really fast and hope an ally doesn't sideswipe you.
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https://raithos.github.io/?f=First%20Order&d=v5!s!233:181,-1,-1:;266:181,-1,-1:;290:132,-1,165:;262:181,-1,-1:;265:-1,-1:&sn=Doug%20Dimmadome&obs=

This is my go-to Hyperspace List for now, at least until Republic drops

FO > Galacuck Empire
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>>63985590
I'm just playing devil's advocate for the first guy. The problem isn't that they can't leave atmospheres, or enter atmospheres, it's that they're poorly optimized for maneuvering in it, can't fit big enough repulsorlifts inside so they constantly need to be firing their engines, and don't have any landing gear.
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>>63985313
Maybe it would kill a NOVICE, not a master.

>>63985132
Achieved CHIM.

>>63985649
Makes more sense
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>>63985313
Bear in mind that Yoda has spent those intervening years in exile deep in meditation on the Force, while Luke cut himself off completely.

Maybe Luke before he cut himself off could have done it without killing himself, but Luke as shown in TLJ is very much not a Luke at the peak of his power. He's a shadow of his former self, so attempting to use a power that's so incredible in scope was simply too much for him.
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>>63985880
Don't write Rian's story for him.
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>>63985934
Bruh that was pretty much explicit in the film that luke has basically gone full monk and just chilled with the care takers for a while. He's out of force shape and didnt have time to get back gains to his original strength
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>>63982861
>its not canon because I don't want it to be
your dumbass arguments got btfo time and time again
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>>63985132
Luke was tired of living, and after confronting Kylo Ren and delaying him long enough for the rebels to escape, he felt that his job was done and willingly became one with the force.
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>>63986047

Pretty sure it was unpasteurized milk that killed him.
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>>63985132
Luke didn't die. It was his brilliant double bluff technique. See, Luke was projecting his image from Ahch-To to Crait, however what you don't realize is the reason Luke seemed to vanish is because it was a double projection! The "Luke" on Ahch-To was also just an image. He left behind a projection of clothing as a double punk out so the caretaker nun things will think he became one with the Force and also the alien titty monster so it won't think he just ditched his morning milkies. Very clever really. This allows him to do what he really wants with his space time, which is to go to vegas planet, win big with the Force, and fertilize all those egg sacks on the opera monster lady. Really it's the best ending. Just wait, JJ will reveal all of this when he's ready.
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>>63985592
>just as I wouldn't be surprised that the only ones who complain, bitterly, that it doesn't happen again are the people upset that it happened in the first place.
No, shit, because those are both indicators of someone who wants a consistent setting.

Also apparently the Hyperspace tracker is just brute force trajectory calculation Which means dropping out in interstellar space would fool it just as well, and y'know multi=jumping and mid-jump engine cuts were supposed to be STANDARD tactics for the rebellion because any ship could get a rough estimate and just aim for the nearest sytems to check them out.
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>>63986199
>consistent setting
>star wars
Nerfherder, Star Wars has always just done whatever. This reminds me of the bitching back in the day about how the PT looked too clean and advanced, beyond anything seen up to 30 years later, so that it didn't really look or "feel" like Star Wars anymore. And, no, the hand waving that we only saw places like Tatooine didn't cut it since Cloud City was pretty slick and advanced and so were all the Imperial installations, yet nobody had wall to wall holographic displays. Back in the day the EU had an excuse that Palpatine wanted to go "old school" with tech again.

The majority don't want "consistency" to the tune of "why don't people ram each other ALL THE TIME now!" That's stupid. They just want to be entertained. If that includes a hyperspace ram this one time then so be it. Hell, the ram only apparently worked because of how the FO ships were dutifully stacked up behind the Supremacy and Hux was too lazy to just have the Raddus destroyed or even scanned for life - which would be a pretty damn basic thing to do given attempting to flee but leaving behind someone on their ship was a very real possibility. The key to the whole operation was Hux's incompetency and that, I regret to tell you, will very likely remain consistent in the next film too unless JJ feels like reclaiming his character.
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>>63985592
>>63986199
"brute force" calculations make no fucking sense for a hyperspace jump, this isn't a computer password with a guaranteed single hit once you get it right, it's as impossible as predicting the fucking weather, the supremacy could have "brute forced" a million different possible locations and it would have had to jump to every single one in order to falsify the attempt, this is just another example of braindead retards in Hollywood mistaking real world science for straight-up magic
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>>63984861
>Any explanation yet?
F=ma?
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>>63986331
Leaving aside the things in that post that are just wrong,
>dude just turn ur brain off
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>>63986386
>Hey, why does that guy's severed arm look different?
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>>63979567
>bait op
>2/3 of thread is tljposting

op is a faggot
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>>63986398
>budgetary constraints and editing errors are the same as deliberate obliterate of suspension of disbelief
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>>63986400
Post what you want to talk about or fuck off.
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>>63986338
Yes but you have to recall that the key to the system, the absolute vital component that brings it all together, is generating a hyperspace field around the vast array of computers so that they can calculate really super fast. Yep.

The really fucking lame thing is it wasn't really needed. Remember in ESB when Vader knew the proper system because he apparently sensed it in the Force despite Ozzel's objections? There, boom, done. Make Snoke somehow super sensitive to that kind of thing. Make him the key to it. Makes him more impressive and also helps indicate why he's running things since he brings that much power to the table.
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>people unironically defend the sequel
>sequel defenders bring up flaws in the prequels as if it that would qualify as a defense for the sequels themselves
>people then start defending the prequels unironically just to spite the sequel defenders
>everyone comes out of this retarded
every time
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>>63986423
>obliteration*

>>63986400
A few months ago I started posting again after a long hiatus of lurking after the Armageddon that consumed /swco/, and as if on cue a known dedicated /swco/ thread-ruiner started stealing OPs despite my desperate attempts not to bring the shitposting that led that general to getting /trash/ed here. The coincidence is as uncanny as it is infuriating.
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>>63986450
what a fucking stupid ship design
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>>63986386
Perhaps if you turn your pedantry down if not off you'll be able to realize that the vast majority will never be hinging the entire movie on the hyperspace ram, let alone throwing their hands up to the heavens and crying, "LO! and Star Wars done be broken forever. Father Lucas, we have sinned against ye! Repent! REPENT!"

There were far more serious problems in the film than the ram scene. It's no real shock that /tg/ becomes obsessed with it, though. We do enjoy rkkv threads too much.
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>>63986478
Dude, it's just a triangle if you strength out the sides reaaaaally far. What, you hate triangles? Then what the fuck are you doing following Star Wars! Heretic!
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>>63986468
The fuck are you on about?
>>63986478
It's fine. The problem ship was the fleet killer Rian insisted be perfectly flat despite the misgivings of the poor ILM wageslaves.
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>>63986450
>generating a hyperspace field around the vast array of computers so that they can calculate really super fast
No matter how fast, hot, and long the entire computer banks at NASA, the FBI, Google, the CIA, and the NSA run, they will never, ever, ever, EVER accurately predict the weather next year, next month, or even next week. Predicting where a given citizen in a given car will travel to on a given day? That's something only God could do, and only in certain theological interpretations.
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>>63986478
delete this
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>>63986491
The scene in ESB where Han hides from the ISD by parking on the back of it is stupid. It's dumb. Fans have long criticized it for being stupid and IIRC some movie critics back in the day mocked it. But ESB was so fucking good that people overlook it. You overlook little flaws in a great movie because it's great.

When you get a movie like any of the Disneywars you get a bad movie full of flaws, and when a movie sucks you're more prone to pointing out its flaws.

Like when you have a good day and little stuff doesn't get to you, but when you have a shit day little things add up quick. If TLJ were a better movie, some people might even ignore the ram. If RO were a better movie, some people might ignore the ISD collision. If TFA were a better movie, some people might ignore the hints of MaRae Sue. If Solo were a better movie, some people might ignore the fembot.

But because they suck, the flaws are that much more aggregious whereas in ESB similar flaws were ignored because it was a damn good movie with few flaws to begin with.
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>>63986530
AH! But you also have to feed the computers hundreds of years worth of weather reports and also a copy of Sun Tzu. Do NOT make the mistake of giving it a copy of Mein Kampf unless you want every other weather prediction about raining pepes.
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>>63986555
Solo was a good movie and there was nothing wrong with the ISD collision in Rogue One (despite that movie's many flaws)

Furthermore, the Falcon hiding out on the star destroyer is only stupid if you don't recognize the fact that it was a deliberate transposition of common pulp and action movie tropes into a space movie.

However you are right about the gist of big flaws making bad movies worse, and big flaws in good movies being handwaveable.
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>>63986555
I cannot recall anyone seriously complaining about that scene. Han finds a blind spot in their radar in a location he of all people is crazy enough to exploit and then relies on them dumping their garbage before going to hyperspace - and it works. Doesn't really feel like much of a stretch. That's a far more impressive trick for him than his listing lazily to one side from ANH.

Now if you want to talk about Boba Fett apparently loading his ship in the trash chute of that ISD, that one is definitely pretty weird. I mean if Boba was so certain Han was going to pull that trick he should have checked the ISD himself and then called it in. Fastest money he'd ever have made.
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>>63986441
but I want to talk about how op is a faggot and posting TLJ bait ruins threads
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>>63986555
>some people might ignore the fembot
Am I a bad person if I really liked L3-37? The thought of dropping subtle anti-robot comments in conversations and her triggering/screeching is hilarious. Or plopping restraining bolts on and gang-raping her barely-compatible ports while she screams about robot rights and being violated by filthy meatbags, haha, wouldn't that be funny?
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>>63986683
What sort of faggot are you that you don't want tender snuggling with her?
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Post art of xapital ships that look star wars without being murderpickles or doomwedges
Bonus for including a SW backstory for it, stats or both
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>>63986707
That would be fine too, however unlikely it may be. Just saying.
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>>63986632
>I cannot recall anyone seriously complaining about that scene

It wasn't a dealbreaker but people have rightly pointed out that other ships in the fleet could have and should have spotted the Falcon, but it's a good movie so people tend to overlook that.
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>>63986739
Only if you expect everybody to be gawking out the windows, which honestly would be pretty silly.
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>>63986784
>alright guys a group of the top terrorists are around here everyone be on high alert
>DURRRRRHYUCK OKAY SURR
The alternative is sillier.
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>>63986739
>>63986784
It's a great homage to U-boats carefully hiding directly below boats to dodge ASDIC, but it doesn't work so well in space compared to water
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>>63986837
Not really. If you aren't at your duty position but instead are just dreamily staring out the window you deserve having Vader twist your head around backwards.
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>>63986894
>>63986837
>>63986784
>>63986739
There weren't any other star destroyers behind the one the falcon was attached to to see it, and it was the last to jump to hyperspace. It's also possible there were no windows on the back of the tower, or if there were, nobody happened to be around for the few minutes they were there. It's not really a major plot hole.

>>63986632
Neither was Boba Fett's tactics, because he did in fact do just that and called it in, but you don't jump to the middle of nowhere, you jump to the nearest system and the imperials beat the falcon to bespin, hence the whole double-cross. Though it was definitely very odd that his ship was in the trash chute - I won't make any attempts to explain that away.
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>>63986918
Vader's on one ship and isn't that necktwist-happy.

The idea that absolutely no one out of the 10+ thousand dudes on the half dozen other ISDs and their support craft saw even a glimpse of the Falcon in plain view is absurd.
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>>63987018
The notion that at any given moment everyone is just looking, not for the falcon, but really studying every inch of their own ships as closely as possible and just happen to notice the falcon even from the extreme distance the ships are from each other, is ridiculous. These people have jobs to do and oddly enough sightseeing out the windows isn't one of those jobs.
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what non yt line frieghter ship would be used during the time of the rebellion by a small 5 or 6 man crew, with decent armament, cargo space, and is capable of adding a docking mechanism for a small snubfighter, probably around the size of an a-wing or a little larger. I need to know for reasons
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>>63986523
TECHNICALLY the Wage-slave didn't admit to voicing misgivings, they just heavily implied it.

>>63986555
>>63986632
>>63986739
They'd have to be fairly close, AND using Mark one eyeball on their own side's ship to spot that.

>>63987018
>>63987075
It's also not too many shades different from the ISD itself so they;d have to be examining it closely, and not getting their vision messed with by the engine light below.
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>>63987075
I'll be honest, I forget how well-blended and small it was.
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>>63987087
Suwantek could be good.
If you're willing to go non freighter the Citadel cruiser works fine.
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>>63987087
If you pick up a few droids to work the night shift, you could spring for an Action VI. Crew of 8, bulk freighter levels of empty space to mess with. It doesn't come standard with weapons but it's Corellian, so you can load up on aftermarket armament and upgrades easily.
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>>63987075
ISD props are lighted at the windows and portholes, and I don't see anything on the rear, so there might not be any windows there to look out of anyway, or if they are they're currently covered by armor.
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>>63987244
There were rear sections to look out the back but only at typical angles to check for flanking/rear attacks. The Falcon took a very specific spot that realistically there'd be no need for a window view for.
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>>63987239
I think that might be a little too big, but I'll keep that in mind if
>>63987208
the TL-1200 is ugly, blocky, and looks perfect for my uses
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>>63987239
>It doesn't come standard with weapons
Or armor.
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>>63987087
I like the YZ775 for that sort of thing
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>>63987419
Nothing a scrapyard and duct tape can't fix.
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>>63987419
Action's don't have armor? They seem pretty tough.
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>>63987087
Lantian short hauler
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>>63985649
The whole original problem, before the goal posts were moved into a different time zone, was that you couldn't have a big shipyard on a planet because big ships cannot get to orbit. Obviously you can make big ships that can get to orbit on their own, so the shipyard is fine.
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>>63987087
A civilian Gozanti-class is a little big, but it meets or exceeds all those needs. It has a crew of 12 but that includes 6 gunners and 2 loadmasters, which are arguably unnecessary. Maybe lose or downgrade a few of its turrets to make it more affordable/customs-friendly and slap some docking clamps on there and you're set for life.
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>>63988566
I was saying that that guy was mistaken about the nature of the problem. I'm on your side, you cunt.
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>>63986632
Spent some time picking my brain on this one, and I do think I recall some complaints way back in the day. Definitely not something that comes up often at all these days. Time kind of erases most grievances. Not all, but definitely most.
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>>63986478
It's like one of those shitty fanfic star destroyers that's eleventy-billion bigger and better. I was originally gonna say that I'm surprised that it doesn't launch star destroyers like fighters, but upon closer inspection it DOES have a star destroyer hangar.
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>>63988645
I can understand it from their design philosophy, namely that they actually own several planets, I mean you'd have to in order to have the resources to create ships like that, but Snoke refuses to name any of them their capital. They don't want the some place in the boonies, they want the whole damn core and everything else, and until they have it he wants to remain mobile. Starkiller might make a good choice but then Starkiller was mobile too.

Just because I can accept their philosophies, though, doesn't mean I still don't think the whole thing is ridiculous that they have all this super awesome cool stuff. All these advanced ships, super ships, an entire converted planet, mini death star tech, super siege ships, hyperspace tracking - so on and so on and all in thirty years. On top of that they're so rich they're buying off mercs and pirates left and right to harass the Republic. Doesn't matter that yes we know they sent expeditions into the Unknown Regions, or that the Tarkin Initiative was playing around with some of this stuff between building their own Creepio and gunhead wookiees, it's just too damn much. Starkiller could possibly be excused but everything else on top of that is silly. Don't even get me started on Dark Energy and Quintessence.
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>>63988645
It can hold multiple ISDs on the exterior wings and has internal bays that can fight others. In fact it can also construct ISDs internally. It's just that awesome.
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>>63988712
The entire first order was a mistake. We have episode six ending with the death of the Emperor, the collapse of the Empire, and the birth of a fledgling New Republic to become the central government in the galaxy. Then, instead of exploring the growing pains of that republic and its trials to deal with the straggling remnants of the Empire, the mouse just take a big dump on it all and flushes it down the toilet because apparently they can't write a new story without plagiarizing the old ones for maximum nostalgia porn. The old ones featured a vastly more powerful empire while the good guys were plucky underdogs, and so that's what we got here. To maintain the status quo, the New Republic was reduced to a footnote and the empire/rebellion received a new coat of paint as the First Order/Resistance.
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>>63988798
JJ's a hack and a brainlet and Kasdan's still mad Lucas didn't let him kill Han in act 2 after spending all of act 1 rescuing him, have Luke turn evil for no raisin then get killed by Leia, and have Leia become Jedi queen of the galaxy. It is known.
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>>63988798
I don't mind a Remnant under a different name but they're just too damn much too soon. Even IF they're 100% devoted to the destruction of the New Republic they're in some crazy normally unnavigable area of the galaxy. Even IF the worlds were pre-surveyed by the Empire they still need to conquer and mine areas. They need a huge workforce just to get the materials they need in order to create the infrastructure necessary to eventually think about creating the massive orbital structures to create super ships, let alone gut an entire planet and turn it into a mobile super fortress. It took the Empire years to build up their fleets under Tagge and then create a new Death Star and that was with the resources of countless already dominated worlds.

Really the only way the FO's gains make any sense (I'm not a fan that somehow the Empire had all of these pre-developed and somehow traitor or spy or investigator ever managed to find any hint of it) is if somehow the mysterious Snoke provided them with their territory and the more advanced technology which is why they agreed to let him rule them. But apparently Snoke's origins are too boring to actually mention.
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>>63988798
>>63988833
Makes me kind of glad to not have watched any of the new films. I feel like I would just get angry to have all the magic of the earlier films killed in such a stupid fashion.
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>>63988880
It's not that they're boring, it's that they aren't immediately relevant to Rey.
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>>63988902
will you please shut up.
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>>63988925
Will you call me an incel if I don't?
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>>63979567

What's the best SW movie/game iyo, lorewise?

I asked the same thing in the previous thread but forgot post my own answer: Star Wars Battlefront II (The Original).

As far as I'm concerned the 501st Campaign had better writing put to it than all the Star Wars movies so far put together.
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>>63988944
no, you're just annoying. we can't even talk about NOT liking TLJ without you posting that shit. it's not funny.
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>>63988963
purely lore-wise KotOR 1 probably takes the cake simply for density. X-wing/TIE series, Republic Commando, Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series are all great, and the first two Rogue Squadron games as well.
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>>63988798

What really ticks me off is that you could still have had the Powerful Empire vs Underdog Rebels theme, except with the factions flipped. Have the remnants of the Empire staging hit and run attacks on Republic planets, placing the fledgling government under increasing strain as senators demand protection and the terrorists tracked down. This would even play into the zeitgeist of our time, which is about terrorism and non-state forces causing disruption to existing institutions. The protagonists would have to face the challenge of holding the Republic together in the face of a challenge that threatens to tear it apart.

I mean, imagine if the scrawl for Ep 7 was this:

It is a time of strife. The newly formed GALACTIC REPUBLIC faces an escalating campaign of terrorism from the evil FIRST ORDER. Fear has paralysed countless worlds.

Lead by the fanatical GENERAL HUX, the First Order has finally struck openly, defeating a Republic fleet in the skies over the remote world of JAKKU.

In the wake of this disaster, the Republic has dispatched General POE DAMERON to the stricken Jakku system, hoping that his leadership will deliver a decisive blow against the terrorists...
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>>63988880
I wouldn't have minded a different name for the remnant. But as you said, it's too much too soon. The first order is not analogous to the Imperial Remnant. Remnant implies that the faction is a shadow of its former self. By all indications, the First Order has surpassed the strength of the Empire at its height by leaps and bounds. The Republic has breadcrumbs, while the First Order has the Deathier Star and the ISS Freudian Nightmare. Where did it all come from? Where did the get the raw materials, the production facilities, the countless crew, or the advanced technology to make it happen? They just have it, and fuck anyone who wants to know.

The First Order isn't the Remnant by a different name. It is an unstoppable behemoth that only falters in the face of the mary sue so that she can seem all the more perfect.
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>>63989041
That would have been a decent movie, and it would have more or less been what happened in the EU. The fledgling republic struggling to solidify its holdings, while the scattered remnants of the empire strike wherever the the republic is weakest. The First Order could have been written up to be one of the most prominent warlord factions.

But they couldn't do that because they wanted to rewrite the previous trilogy, so the bad guy had to be a supremely powerful force and the good guys need to be a ragtag group of poorly equipped rebels. Therefore heaven and hell moved to render the conclusion of the previous story irrelevant so that they could start over again.
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>>63986038
>I believe in corporate control of ideas
>laws should tell me how to think

your dumbass arguments got blown out time and time again
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>>63989122
Just let it go. You were mistaken about the reason ISDs don't go into atmospheres, let it go.
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>>63989122
laws don't stop existing based on your acceptance of them. canon doesn't stop existing based on your acceptance of it.
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>>63989266
Canon is a concept based on creators having authority over their creation. the faux canon of corporate ownership is illegitimate. Also laws literally do stop existing if you don't follow or think of them.
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>>63989142
Oh, I'm not that guy. I'm sorta fine with that though it does seem illogical that they wer'nt used at hoth now I think of it. I just think. I just don't like these kind of mind shackled knee benders and their intellectual property delusions.
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>>63989282
>Canon is a concept based on creators having authority over their creation.
no, it's not.

> Also laws literally do stop existing if you don't follow or think of them.
kay, try using that in court. let me know how it goes.
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>>63989321I
deas are different than enforcement anon. laws are derived ultimately either from consent of the governed or on force. A man must ultimately make his own laws. The laws that exist exist merely in the minds of others.

Information can and should be free. Nothing is gained by restricting the minds of your fellow man than illegitimate power.
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>>63988902
If it wasn't boring clearly Rey would be more interested. Check and mate, I believe.

>>63989044
Personally I think they can only lean so hard on the crutch that is the Tarkin Initiative since there is, to my knowledge, no indication that the Empire destroyed all of its records. In fact from the comics it's clear from Hera that the Rebellion has some fair clues about the goings on of the Tarkin Initiative. So why, precisely, did the New Republic fail to investigate or utilize any of this? I mean it's not like it's entirely analogous to, say, using the research of Nazi doctors (yeah, had to go there since I figure that's where they'd go if pressed for a reason) since a lot of it was just research into weird physics. At the very least they'd need to catalog what was there since the Remnant could have (and obvious did have) copies. At the end of the war the Rebellion turned Republic captured and utilized so much from the Empire, but apparently nobody bothered to investigate their nerds.
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>>63989340
ideas
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>>63988899
honestly I wish did that
bad feel
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>>63989340
wow I bet you feel so smart and enlightened.

fucking duh, you dumb shit. no one's oppressing your ideas you delicate little snowflake. but if we're talking about the categorization of ideas that is the universe of Star Wars, we as a community of individuals are willingly accepting that there exists a category of information that is "Star Wars" and there exists categories of information that are not "Star Wars" otherwise it is fundamentally impossible to communicate within the context of those ideas. THIS is what canon is. And guess what? we have a ton of lingo to further differentiate which of those ideas we're discussing: canon, old canon, new canon, fanfiction, head canon, legends, EU, holy shit it's almost like language exists to assist in the communication of ideas!

what you're doing is just as retarded as
>there is a room with a chair
>"that is a chair"
>"HOW DARE YOU TELL ME THAT IS A CHAIR, THAT ISN'T A CHAIR, I AM A FREE MIND REEEEEEEEEEEE I DO NOT SUBMIT TO YOUR AUTHORITY STOP POLICING MY THOUGHTS"

like okay call it whatever the fuck you want, but the rest of us are going to call it a chair, and if you throw a fit every time someone tries to talk about chairs or if you refuse to accept the social definition of a chair, YOU'RE the one who's actively hindering the expression of free thought by disrupting the group's ability to communicate basic concepts.
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>>63989390
My point is that what is and isn't in either category is up to the viewer and from what I can see dinseywars is viewed as non cannon or illegitimate by the larger community. The opinion of the crowd or even the individual supersedes the opinion of biased incompetent manufacturers. The entire argument of "they say it cannon so it cannon" is stupid.
dumbass
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>>63989442
disney canon is canon to disney canon. that's not rocket science.

and in any case, your argument simply cannot function at a fundamental level. if the individual viewer is the sole arbiter of what is and is not canon, then two individual, free-thinking viewers can never communicate between each other because they will always, inevitably, be talking about different subjects. Frank will be talking about FrankCanon and George will be talking about GeorgeCanon and neither will have any idea what the other accepts or rejects, at least not without both of them offering a full and exhaustive list of every aspect of the thing they're discussing.

but two normal, not-retarded people don't have to provide a dissertation on their point of view of what is and is not a "chair" to be able to talk about chairs.
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>open thread
>canon arguing

fuck you guys
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>>63989502
Most people don't know what the creator rights/derivative rights are, let alone that they are even a thing, or that they are something that can be transferred - which in this case they were for quite a substantial chunk of cash. The whole thing, including licensing, is not exactly a difficult subject so I don't know why some people struggle with the idea. It's why Marvel, despite owning the X-Men and Spider-Man, do not have the film rights to either (though they'll probably be getting the X-Men back from Fox if the sale goes through and there is a deal with Sony to use Spider-Man in the Marvel cinematic universe). Not even being bought by Disney got them back rights that had already been sold. They can do what they want with the comics version but they sold the film rights years ago. Disney, however, bought everything with Star Wars, canon and not-canon, and can do with it what they want regardless of how many billboards certain weirdos put up.
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>>63989550
Thread is very close to autosage. If you're a good boy you can make the next one about whatever you want. Unfortunately people will still just talk about whatever they want.
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>>63989550
>ugh, fucking male nerds
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>>63989651
>Leia, get off the holonet!
>NO! I'm almost enjoying my anger!
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>>63989604
>very close to autosage
>251 posts
We've got a good few more hours of shitposting left.
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>>63989502
people tend to come to similar conclusions if they view the series in any similar ways
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>>63979952
Why isn't the red dude using his other hand
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>>63989747
Well yes, less than 60 posts to autosage is a lot closer than just 60 posts in the thread period. So he's going to have to sit on the thread until he can make the new one, fine, but stop trying to steal his new hope. What are you, Kylo Ren? Are you trying to kill it if you have to?
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>>63989739
>the holonet was a corruption ploy by Sheev all along
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>>63989789
It's his fappin' hand. It's so supremely muscled he doesn't dare use it on a woman for how unfair it would be. He's such a noble soul.
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>>63989810
>implying sheev himself wasn't corrupted by the holonet after answering Plaguis' craigslist ad for an apprentice dark lord
Good thing the Jedi Council have no idea how to even log on to their holobook account. Yoda has to keep bugging Anakin to post tooka memes for him.
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>>63989594
everyone knows that
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>>63981042
>h-hayai!
>>63982958
>>63984984
these are different ships?
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>>63989871
Most people couldn't name the derivative rights let alone say how many there are, not without asking google first.
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>>63989755
you mean like accepting an overall canon?

yeah, that's exactly what i'm saying.
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>>63989942
There's clearly not an overall top down canon for anyone who isn't braindead.
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>>63989939
I don't see how those are relevant.
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>>63990113
Just follow the conversation chain up and maybe meaning will dawn on you. Or not, who cares.
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>>63990045
no one's suggesting there is.
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>>63980939
I'd be down with this if Kylo was Obi-wan's reincarnation and it was super awkward when he and Rey find out.
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>22 point vulture droids
>4 point energy shell charges

>37 point i1 B-22 droid
>44 point Grievous

>60 point i2 Infiltrator
>76 point Maul

what would you run?
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>>63990144
Nope, still an irrelevant tangent appearing to be an odd humblebrag about pointless intellectual property rights knowledge.
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>>63990224
Plenty of people could figure out how to connect these dots but you, anon, are a certain special child. Derivative rights in context would be things like sequels, novels, comics, tv shows (including cartoons) audio dramas, etc. Now if you can't figure out that the creation of many of these things are being produced and adding to established canon beyond just the films (the traditional defacto canon back during the old EU days) then nobody is going to be able to help you. In essence, though, they have the right to produce what they want since they own all these creator rights. The creator isn't just the initial creator but rather who owns the rights to create more of the product. In other words Disney owns the horizontal, they own the vertical, they own all you see and hear that is official Star Wars. They are more than free to claim what they want is canon or not canon just as they are free to do whatever they want with it. They own it all, baby.
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>>63990272
in other news: the sky is blue and water is wet
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>>63990349
You'd think so but then you run into someone like >>63990224 who needs you to hold his hand through the very concept.
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>Separatism intensifies
https://youtu.be/8qXE3aguNAw?t=111
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>>63990411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW4OIHDsWsM
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>>63989810
what would the SW name for 4chan(nel) be?
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>>63979986
>Muh nevar been done before unique movie that adds a "fresh perspective" to the series.

LEL what a bunch of bullshit, but we already knew that. Last Jedi fans are beyond retarded.
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>>63986491
the reason people rag on about the ram scene is that it's emblematic of the issues of the movie. Just like the bombers, it was added cause the director thought it was cool and no further thought was put behind it.
It's also damn obvious on how it's stupid, its something you catch the second the scene is over.
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>>63984861
>Any explanation yet?
My headcanon is that the hyperspace tracker makes it so that the supremacy loses its mass shadow, thus losing its primary defense against hyperspace rams
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>>63986988
Did we ever actually see Slave I come out of the trash chute? I assumed he was just the only one wise to Hans trick and waited him out.
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>>63990527
I "rag on" it because I remember 9/11 and think it is hugely disrespectful to have a big budget action flick trivialise the tragedy by showing it as a heroic act.

The writers should be ASHAMED for writing a film that glorifies the COWARDLY acts of 9/11
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>>63980237
Rey helping everyone while pissed as fuck and punching her wound to keep going would have been pretty neat.
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>>63990473
It would have been started by their equivalent of weebs, so something based on... I dunno, mandalorians? Echani?

... Huttese?
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>>63990768
4chutta?
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>>63981815
We had a drilled out asteroid in our campaign that over a decade was rebuilt from a simple enclosure to an impromptu Eye of Palpatine sort of deal. Codename POTATO.
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>>63981437
Snoke set them up together.
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>>63990360
no, the problem is >>63989594 had nothing to do with what was being talked about
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>>63990669
you
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>>63990272
You are clearly missing the point of the post you initially replied to.
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>>63990822
>TFW 4chutta got bought by a Neimoidian

This is now a Nemoidian Nerf Herding image board
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>>63979952
Holy shit, the webm is in film final cut footage? Disney are retards. Fucking utter morons.
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>>63980206
It's from Scum and Villainy or the Smuggler's Guide. I forget which, but it's legit
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>>63979952
are those minilightsabers coming out of his weapon?
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>>63982350
It’s not like SW tech can manage gravity or anything.

I’m not saying it’s a good idea but with enough porkbarreling I can definitely see it happen.
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>>63991680
You'd either need low gravity, a gigantic space elevator or a mechanism for allowing vertical launches.
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>>63979952
that fight in paticular is a complete mess. they have couple of these moments where rey could have easily been killed
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>KotOR 1
I had trouble caring about the Old Republic knowing it was going to fall whatever I did and a new one was going to rise up a 4,000 years later.
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>>63990453
>What half of the CIS Shadowfeeds were
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>>63981170
is that famous war time photographer Frank West?
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>>63981141
Honestly if Obi Wan ghost spat that line it would redeem the entire new series.
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I just discovered the "saltier than crait" subreddit, and now I know where all our crossover shitposters come from

can you guys just stay there instead?
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>>63989343
The world doesn't revolve around Rey.
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I get the impression that the Anon going on about canon and corpporations and all that is the vatnik dropping his various shitposting gimmicks to talk about how he genuinely feels. He's still a faggot, but he's not pretending to be a much bigger faggot.
Fortunately, the Story Group ruled the EU is not noncanon, but a separate continuity they're not gonna touch anymore until and unless it becomes clear to Disney that they fell asleep at the wheel and NuLucasfilm's continuity is a failed experiment.
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>>63981163
That's what pisses me off most about TLJ. Abrams can retcon some stuff and sort of fix the story, but stuff like luke and snoke dying can't really be fixed without being overly clumsy
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>>63992220
"Luke" dying isn't the issue, from a conceptual level. Luke being retroactively replaced with Jake in the five seconds between TFA and TLJ is.
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>>63984445
ANH and ESB would probably be 13 nowadays just from the dismemberment. ROTJ could probably sneak by given its per-movie limp chop was for a robot arm.
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>>63992053
Looks like someone hasn't been keeping up with current events!
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>>63981481
I mean, Yoda being a badass fighter was something we didn't need to be shown, it was ok having him just be the wise old master. We already had obi wan be the old mentor in a new hope that the prequels let us see young and full of action and fighting. We didn't also need to see Yoda.

But the fighting style? Sure. He's like 2ft tall, what did people expect
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>>63992006
yikes
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>>63992196
Unfortunately such an event wouldn't happen unless Star Wars lost incredible amounts of money, and even then Disney is just as likely to stop making content with it altogether than to try and repair it. Spoken as a Tron fan who will be feeding on the scraps of the new roller coaster they're adding.
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>>63992417
Star Wars is a very different beast than Tron. It's got too much cultural real estate to just sit on.
P.S. what's this about a Tron rollercoaster?
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I have been playing Saga, What do Anons think of Edge of the Empire/Age of Rebellion/Force and Destiny. Which do you prefer and why?
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>>63992496
D6. Nyuknyuknyuknyuknyuk!
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>>63984343
Sloane was hardly a Mary Sue.
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>>63992536
Will she ever crop up again or have they realized that the black chick being a chief cause of the paper-thin Nazi allegory was a bad look?
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>>63992496
They're literally just the same system with some minor mechanics bolted on to better represent specific areas of the setting being focused on. As an RPG I feel that Age of Rebellion is the most balanced of the books but Edge of the Empire is the best for actually running a game.
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>>63986478
The only thing properly stupid with it is only having two internal bays for RSDs. If it were obviously built to mainly be a mobile shipyard and everything else was just tacked on it would have been fine.

Of course shields would be appropriate for its size and a fairly light armament would still let it chew through a decently sized fleet.
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>>63986580
You’re spuriously accusing Hitler of doing things wrong by means of a false tu cuck dichotomy. Palpatine did nothing wrong and he’s not Hitler and Obama wore a tan suit for chemtrails! WHY WONT WHIRES LET ME FUCK THEM!!!
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>>63992440
In 2021 Magic Kingdom in Florida is getting a Tron coaster based on the one in Shanghai Disney World.
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>>63988712
The siege ship isn’t super. It’s built to to just one thing and it does it, and nothing else. It’s good at that one job and left entirely dependent on escorts and preferably space supremacy.

Fulminatrix is a good girl. Hux is shit.
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>>63992196
>obsession
did a russian and/or impfag tickle your butthole or something
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>>63989340
Please post link to an upload of your browser history.
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>>63992727
Hey man, a Star Dreadnought is a Star Dreadnought. Snoke's Supremacy is also a Star Dreadnought. It's a super class of ship meant for super ships.
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>>63992594
Well she was name dropped in BF2 but who knows
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>>63991737
Guess what, they can make all three. Where do you think gravity on board ships comes from?
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>>63992772
Nah, just big warships. Fulminatrix is a specialist ship but she’s still a warship. If Hux had deployed his squadron to cover her and had more fighters out that would have been it.
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It's been over a year now and people are still bootyblasted about TLJ? Can we move the fuck on and stop shitting up threads? We lost 4 generals because of this nonsense
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>>63992853
No, because I want people to know how I feel.
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>>63992853
I can instantly tell you're the sort of person who will never stop whingeing about the prequels.
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>>63992784
Ships can create gravity but can't negate it without significant repulsorlift generators, which gets exponentially harder to do for large ships thanks to the ol' square cube law.
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>>63992831
Anon, more than a normal ISD = super. The movie goes out of its way to explain that it's a very special kind of ship which is why Hux was determined to destroy it at all costs, regardless of how Leia treats him for it. It is what it is. Don't like it? I guess it's too bad.
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>>63992853
When will virgin losers and nerds with no taste stop whining about how the prequels ruined their childhood?
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>>63992853
>Why don't people stop talking about things I don't like and start talking more about things I want them to
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>>63992938
>Hux
It was an inside job!?
CURSE YOU HUX!
Poe, anon. Different three letter word.
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>>63992594
The novelization of tlj implies that she was no friend of snoke and may be dead. It's not explicitly confirmed though.
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>>63992904
The ship would be built in a box that provides the gravity.
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>>63993012
Oof, that's arguably even worse than than what I expected.
Personally if I were to use her again it'd be in much the same way a lot of people here want Palleaon to be used in the nu-canon.
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>>63993023
Or under a hugeass repulsorlift sled.
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>>63993073
The wording is deliberately ambiguous, so it is quite possible she is still kicking.
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>>63989041
Or make the Republic bad and the Remnant good ala EU NR and Pellaeon.
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>>63992976
>lets bait on a tabletop general
Go back to /trash/ faggot. You lost your general, don't come here
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>>63993250
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>>63993203
Talk about the shit you want to talk about and stop scheerching about bait when people talk about shit you don't want to talk about.
Dick.
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>>63991802
I mean, just one millennium would be a hell of a good run. Few real-life empires even got half as much.
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>>63993023
>built in a box that provides the gravity
What? Why does the ship need gravity to be built?
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>>63981815
Things I've done in Star Wars:

The ship-as-shipyard. Basically a fuckall huge dreadnought that also builds corvettes, frigates, and light cruisers. Its general lack of facility as a warship due to it being comically expensive to move is offset by its ability to save huge amounts of money by setting up in resource rich systems and being able to hold those resources without support beyond what it itself produces. In my campaign it was the Imperial ship Gobannus and was eventually destroyed by the New Republic fleet over Duros.

The asteroid-as-shipyard. This was actually really common because it makes a crap ton of logistical sense. The largest iron-rich asteroid in a field becomes a very good platform for ship construction very quickly.

The Kallidean Network. This one was an explanation for how the Rebels constructed their corvettes and frigates (that they didn't steal). Dozens of smaller vessels would be responsible for one part of the design plan, given a rendezvous time and coordinate, and have to deliver the part there. A Rebel engineering team received all the parts and made final assembly at the rendezvous and each of the ships gave up one tenth of its crew to the new ship. Rinse and repeat.

Under-ocean construction site on a 0.20 gravity waterworld. This one was the most fantastical as the whole facility was staffed only by Rebels from aquatic worlds and they produced one-offs in the Mon Cal style exclusively. Purpose built vessels from a mad scientist's wet dream, essentially.



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