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what would be the most interesting variation of uplifted na'vi and Eywa?
Part of a human empire? Peaceful nature reserve? Guided into space by Eywa?
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Space marines wearing big power armour and using walker sized guns.

Against their own kind if necessary.
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>>63968324
Uplifted as a science experiment, then we remove the boosting elements, and see how long it takes for them to crumble.

It could actually be a good campaign plothook

>PCs are the last born of what is called the 'Age of heroes'
>Are demanded by the elders to figure out why everything is falling apart.
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>>63968372
if we go by the comics Pandora is legit dangerous for na'vi as well and they get pushed hard from an early age to learn how to survive.
So they'd probably do pretty well
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>>63968431
That's why you leave the "civilization boosters" on for long enough that they cozy up.
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>>63968491
they'd presumably revert back to their original Eywa-worshipping state
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Avatar is dumb but I look forward to another burst of blue catgirl porn.
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>>63968324
>variation of uplifted na'vi and Eywa?
Is this a thing? Since when was this a thing?

Anyway, they'd obviously be piratical raiders, living in small tribes who move nomadically through the galaxy preying on human ships and colonies. They clearly had a warrior tradition that long predates human contact, and many of their tribes had less than friendly relations. Before humans turned up they probably spent most of their time raiding each other.
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>>63968431
I get the feeling a lot of their ability is from their.. "ancestor databank". They're physically very imposing but trapped re-living echoes of their past that suppress just as much as they enhance.

But maybe the HFY has gotten to me, I dunno.
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>>63969105
I could see this, but they need to have some connection to Eywa. Maybe their spaceships have Eywa-offsprings growing all over them
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>>63968368
how would power armor even look on their slim and tall bodies?
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>>63969105
>ywn be captured by a fierce na'vi olo'eyktan (that's what the na'vi call their clan leaders, and captains) and become her pusy slave
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>>63968324
Eywa, having seen through the eyes of Sully and Dr Ripley and knowing now all that they knew, wishes to propagate itself among the stars.

Using the now unoccupied but still functional Na'vi body of Dr Ripley as it's own avatar it offers a deal. It will revitalise the dying Earth in exchange for being seeded on every planet himans visit.

It takes Na'vi along for company and also reassurance. Earth decides that it's probably in everyone's interest if the Na'vi receive training.

A new era of Jolly Cooperation starts.
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>>63970823
sounds comfy, everyone profits and the chance to get na'vi gfs is very high
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>>63971390
If the players need an adversary then it could be a Strogg type irredeemable race they encounter later. Implication being that this was a very real eventual possibility for humanity if things had gone different.
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>>63971480
that's not a bad idea, it fits thematically and makes a for good goons on the table
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>>63970261
So sad
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>>63968324
Planet stripped of resources and bombed to oblivion from the orbit.

Fuck na'vi.
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Would Blued porn be a thing in that future?
I mean, they do have big dicks.
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>>63972699

Good luck selling that to corporate over the deaths of maybe like 200 mercs.
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>>63968324
They're already uplifted.
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>>63972742
>Drones
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>>63972711
I have a hard time seeing how the na'vi would understand porn or see the point in acting in it
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>>63972858
>Neytiri seeing the 5 naked avatars that just entered the set
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>>63968324
Is that a fucking Rhodesian uniform?
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>>63968324
That's a big fucking FAL
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>>63969272
The purpose of Eywa Node to Na'vi Port connection is known, but not fully explored. But the most well-known affect on Na'vi is the so-called "Eywa Deprivation Syndrome" or EDS or soul-loss among the space-faring Na'vi.
The reason(s) are not fully understood (no matter how quick the explanation that the "space cats miss their catnip" shows up) but without regular connection to an Eywa Node Na'vi will sicken in various ways, including, but not limited to: schizophrenia, muscular tics, slurred speech, and other neuromuscular abnormalities.

This is why Na'vi-compatible class spaceships have been created. Ostensibly Greenships that have had a nominal amount of their greenhouse capacity and more than nominal amount of their cargo cap given over to Eywa-Seeds.
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>>63973667
it's in .50 cal BMG
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>>63973860
>roller delayed .50bmg
It would tear itself into pieces.
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>>63973903
>FAL
>roller delayed

you're thinking of the G3
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>>63973959
So i am.
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I can totally see the corridors and rooms in their ships being spacious and lined with the roots and branches of the Eywa-offspring planted in the ship.
And at certain places specially trained matriarchs connect directly to the plant instead of or in addition to using traditional inputs. At the same time atokerinas float around in the ships, landing on different parts of the ship and its inhabitants to monitor different data.
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>>63968324
>a charismatic Na'vi philosopher is born
>After several near death experiences by animal, he decides that Eywa is a negative presence to the Na'vi people and that they too can live in comfort like the sky people, built great works and have something to take pride in other than just being handed everything like a useless child.
>Anti-Eywa cult is formed.
>Eventually they sneak in and burn down the tree
>The cult's numbers rapidly grow as many Na'vi are lost without the handholding of Eywa and need that support
>The now new religion learn all they can from the remains the sky people left behind and progress begins
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>>63975828
b-but my ancestors
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>>63976062
What good are they? What have they done for you lately? They'll just try to drag you down, jealous of the glory of the living
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>>63975828
>A faggot is born

Oh no
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>>63976289
t. Eywa
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>>63972753
how so?
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>>63968324
A conquered and subjugated race that's declared to be undesirables by the conquering humans.
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>>63968324
Did Avatar prove everyone is secretly a furry?
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>>63976289
Well yeah, he's a na'vi. Na'vi are inherently faggy on the best of days.
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>>63972742
>Send down Israeli science team.
>Let them get murdered by natives.
>Amerigolems show up and do the work for you.
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>>63977840
If the Na'vi girls had any tits, I'd agree with you.
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>>63977843
that's simply not true
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>>63968324

The finest dust scattered above the smoldering embers in the nuclear craters.

Honestly, at this point I'm so jaded of the muh harmony, muh pees, muh cooperayshun messages I'd be legit more interested in one where the trigger actually gets pulled. Hell, I dont even want humans to be the clear winners, lets have a series about them about dealing with fucking up acting too rashly . I just want some movies deviating from the trite, boring "safe" hollywood patterns. Like, imagine a movie without a boring ass fuckinging romance plot shoved into it for no reason. Just let us have a film about motherfucking interstellar ultraviolence and dealing with the effects on it. Bet you could pull more heartstrings with the navi getting exterminated anyway with anything the FOUR fucking sequels in the pipeline since 2009 could POSSIBLY have.
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>>63978062
Looks like a pretty big gay to me, famalam.
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>>63968324
Rapid industrialization enabled by the thinking ecosystem that is Eywa rolling back its vegetation and the fauna said vegetation support around mineral resources. Big DIG HERE U ASSFUCKS signs. This is followed by colonization of uninhabited planets, which are themselves seeded with Pandoran flora that will one day grow into worldminds of their own. All to defend themselves against the possibility of what the HFYfags want. The Shadows are pleased by this.
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>>63977840
No snouts means not furry
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>>63979358
Is HFY not preferable to the world eating bioborg?
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>>63980008
Not him but neither are good. But at least the bioborg idea recognizes itself as a dangerous concept while HFY is just naked endorsement of jingoism.
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>>63968324
>This shit again
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>>63980008
it's ok since Eywa creates more idyllic anprim filled with qt na'vi
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>>63968324
This right here is what infuriates me the most about Avatar, because questions like this are completely unanswerable without copious amounts of fanfiction filling in what the Na'vi fucking ARE until we get to a point where one can start answering questions about "what would happen if". Within the actual movie itself, despite being trapped with the Na'vi for almost three fucking hours, we learn almost nothing about them. According to the film, life for the Na'vi consists of the following:
>Hair raping animals so you can ride them
>Jumping off things
>???

There's apparently a chief or something but I can't remember if they even mention his name in the entire movie. What is the social structure of this clan like? Is it all one family? Are they monogamous? What are virtues that they consider important? Sully gets to join the tribe purely on physical ability alone. Is that all the Na'vi do? Ride animals and jump off shit? Is learning to shoot a bow and throw a spear the only relevant skill for a Na'vi to learn? No need to bother learning any part of their religion, diet, interpersonal customs, artistic traditions, nothing. Not even language.
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>>63983080
most of that information is on pandorapedia. The comics will also expand a lot on na'vi life

>There's apparently a chief or something but I can't remember if they even mention his name in the entire movie
they do, Eykutan

>What is the social structure of this clan like?
the short version is that it's pretty egalitarian, but they are ruled by a clan leader and a matriarch

>Is it all one family?
not genetically (Neytiri's full name is "Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at’ite" were "Tskaha" is her family name), but clans usually consider their members to be blood-bound

>What are virtues that they consider important?
worshiping Eywa, maintaining a balance of life, being loyal to ones clan, being skilled in one or more occupation

>Sully gets to join the tribe purely on physical ability alone. Is that all the Na'vi do? Ride animals and jump off shit?
partly, you are normally born into the clan but they all need to do the same rite of passage as Jake did, and no it's not all they do

> Is learning to shoot a bow and throw a spear the only relevant skill for a Na'vi to learn? No need to bother learning any part of their religion, diet, interpersonal customs, artistic traditions, nothing. Not even language.

no, Neytiri taught Jake a lot of other things, not everything got shown in the film though
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>>63983080
>cont.
And that's not even addressing their extremely dangerous lifestyle. Riding animals and jumping off of floating mountains is dangerous. How many Na'vi die on average doing these things? Is mortality absurdly high? If not, how the fuck are they doing all this safely? It sure looks dangerous in the movie. If so, where are the vast vast quantities of children and mad nympho fucking you would need to support that kind of lifestyle? Neytiri should have fucked Jake the first time they met and had children before even talking to him and been like "Yeah, so what, we're all just fucking all the time forever in a sick orgy because gotta make enough babies that one of them survives jumping off that tree."

Where did they all learn to perform the body swapping ritual? Is that something they do often? Is it written down somewhere how to do that? Do they have a writing system? Is it oral tradition? Do they have historians? Do they have tribe members who DON'T ride animals and jump off of things? What do those Na'vi do? What is their position in the social hierarchy?

There are just so many questions. When you make a throaway culture for a Planet of Hats that will never be spoken of again next week it's less important but if you are going to make a movie ABOUT those aliens, explicitly about them and nothing else, those questions are important. And yes, it's a movie. You can't get to all of them. But even one? Can one single thing about the Na'vi be said besides "muh nature"?
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>>63971856
Maybe tie them in as a rogue colony that mankind lost contact with years ago
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>>63974317
That actually sounds kinda badass and comfy at the same time.

Have we just gotten so bored of navi hate that we just decided to actually explore world building ideas?
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>>63983080
Jumping off mountains is actually not dangerous for navi, Pandor's gravity is lower than earth and atmosphere is thicker. If a navi spread eagle in the air their terminal velocity is low enough that they can survive impact with the ground, although it still hurts and might cause some injuries.

People generally jump off with some kind of plan still, not just for fun.
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>>63978567
I do genuinely want less romance in movies and don't understand why seemingly every film has some element of it at some point when it's not called for.
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>>63983357
>And that's not even addressing their extremely dangerous lifestyle
see >>63968431
young na'vi are trained super hard to be able to survive on Pandora and only allowed to go through ikamaya when they are deemed ready by their teacher. This keeps the mortality rate down to an acceptable and sustainable level, even if deaths aren't unheard of

>Where did they all learn to perform the body swapping ritual?
Eywa probably told them, it's the only alternative that makes sense

>Do they have a writing system?

they might actually, there seems to be writing on Neytiri's bow and there's a poster with non-human hieroglyphs. It's probably not in common use though

>Is it oral tradition?
they do pass down information though complex songs and by storing it in Eywa

> Do they have tribe members who DON'T ride animals and jump off of things?
everyone can probably do that (except children of course) but they do have crafters, singers matriarchs etc
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>>63983532
Well in Avatar's case it's solely because James Cameron made 149 trillion dollars off of Titanic and wanted to replicate that success. Which he didn't. He surpassed it.
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>>63970261
Anon even if they were real you'd die the instant your oxygen tank ran out. The planet lacks air that would breathable to humans and I doubt you'd be allowed to return to a base to restock.
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>>63984648
No that's not actually true. The atmosphere has plenty of oxygen. Problem is there's other toxic gas in the atmosphere that will kill humans but are harmless to the natives.

The mask they wear only filters out the toxic gas, you still breath in the oxygen from the atmosphere so no need for diving tanks. The filter can apparently be regenerated by running it under warm salty water.
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>>63981055
>implying jingoism is wrong
The weak should fear the strong.
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>>63983409
it's been 8 years, it's high time to stop hating on avatar
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>>63985627
>The weak should fear the strong.
Usually said by the mentally weak
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>>63984679
>The filter can apparently be regenerated by running it under warm salty water.

what about pusy juice?
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>>63987594

>jingoism
>mentally weak

I always imagine some immigration-supporting, sweden tier, balding leftist cuck saying things like that.
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>>63983532
God yes. Everything, EVERYTHING has to have a romantic sub-plot it seems.

Maybe I don't give a shit if the main character fucks someone. Maybe I want to see more robots or spy drama or worldbuilding or character interaction or something else. Anything else.
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>>63983532
>>63989065
I agree that some films have very unnecessary romantic subplots, but to be fair avatar is not one of those films, the relationship between Jake and Neytiri is a central part of the film
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>>63989134
Because it's just blue, giant Pocahontas.
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>>63974317
>atokerinas float around in the ships, landing on different parts of the ship and its inhabitants to monitor different data

>OK. You seem good, but I'll still need to keep eye on you.
>So I'll have to stay over then?
>Not necessarily-erily? Maybe not. Just keep these, er, woodsprites on you for a couple of ship-days and they'll refer your bio-beats back to the Eywa-Child. Don't crush them. We only have so few on board.
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Are we expecting new Avatar movie soon or something? Because I don't see any other reason to have sudden spike of threads about decade old hype flick to be suddenly brought back and discussd as some sort of valid or interesting setting.
Stop being shills, for fuck's sake
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>>63989673
There's a dude who has unironically been shilling na'vi as the ultimate lifeform on every porn board he can since the movie came out with the same exact same images and rhetoric he's been posting here. And I guess he's moved on to /tg/ now that even /aco/ hates and ignores him.
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>space-na'vi wearing skin-tight space-suits
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>>63977884
You have forgotten that
>(((somehow))) Pandora being ancient Jewish land creeps into the next print of the Bible, and the Devil will be coloured blue
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>>63989673
it's only 707 days until Avatar 2!
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>>63970823
I like this, it's comfy.
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>>63992968
Neytiri in space-uniform?
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>>63989046
And all always imagine pic related saying what you say.
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>>63983361
Time for having the game from the events of the film might have to be extended for that. Not that it's a problem as such. Could have taken Earth that long for getting another expedition together. Maybe they've found a way make artificial unobtainium or an equivalent and the expedition is just a means to tidy up loose ends. 120 years maybe, 20 years for the failed expedition to return, 50 of Earth society collapsing and rebuilding and 10 coming back in a better ship with actual professionals.

Add on to that another 40 years of mostly Jolly Cooperation before the Strogg arrive.
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>>63973578
>implying the Na'vi isn't an avatar as well

All porn is a lie.
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>>63989134
Moral of the story: fucking chief daughters can do some weird things to your feeling of belonging to particular species
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>>63994407
Surrogate bodies does hold the potential to seriously alter the porn industry.
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>>63994407
I wonder if there was porn made of Neytiri and Jake once it became known on Earth what had happened. And if so how would they react if they got to see it
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>>63968324
Incidentally near genocided by foreign disease and collapse into a culture of substance, sexual and physical abuse
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>>63997059
Funny how they never make that movie.
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>>63994608
more likely the scummy methods your bosses are up to make you really think about who is in the wrong.
And/or Neytiri is a really good fuck, probably something to do with the queue
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>>63994608
>>63997411
Jake left his humanity behind the moment he had sex in his taxpayer funded fursuit.
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>>63997526
>taxpayer
*company

and betraying people that trust you and indirectly participating in the destruction of their home and murder of them is much more inhumane
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>>63989046
Reminder that the Swedish right-wing party is the Swedish Democrats.

Sweden is a strange, backwards place..
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>>63997526
>Jake left his humanity behind
There was nothing remotely "human" about the energy megacompany using PMCs to strongarm people off their land and stripmine it for resources they could use to profiteer off an energy crisis.
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>>63999957
But if that profiteering stands even a chance at solving said crisis?
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>>64000036
Then your anger should be directed at the people bilking the people on Earth who need it, not the people on Pandora who stand to lose just as much as you from the company's actions.
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>>63993699
>yes of course this is the normal uniform Neytiri, now turn around and tilt forward a bit
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>>63999957
I know unobtainium is a room temperature superconductor and so has many applications, but isn't the biggest demand for it for building further ISV anti-matter engines?

That's kind of a noble purpose, to allow human to go to the stars. Probably worth oppression some natives for.
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>>64002192
the biggest priority should be to create artificial unobtanium to not be dependent on a distant moon which you are destroying by mining
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>>64002641
They did have an alternative, that's how the very first ISV was built to actually go to Alpha Centauri. But without it the ISV was four times as big as the current ones, or in other words the same size ship could only carry 1/4 of the payload without using unobtanium in its construction.
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>>64002192
I think they need the superconductors to make fusion power work on earth, with the implication that billions of people go without power if they can't mine it.
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>>64002904
>with the implication that billions of people go without power if they can't mine it.
It's a shame the people mining it care more about it's per-kilo profit margin than actually providing it then.

>>64002641
>That's kind of a noble purpose, to allow human to go to the stars. Probably worth oppression some natives for.
I dunno. Generally my opinion is if you're justifying actions with a "my convenience > your livelihood" metric then you should probably rethink a few things.
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>>64003101
>It's a shame the people mining it care more about it's per-kilo profit margin than actually providing it then.

this is the essential part to remember, the RDA didn't give a shit about any moral concerns, they were only there for the money
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>>63977840
No, but it did prove people are retards
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>>63968324
Smart Na'vi. The privileged few that get to study offworld come back to study their ancestral roots and discover Eywa was an artificial entity designed to control evolution on the planet until a sentient species emerges, then nurture it to jumpstart its development in a shorter period of time This leads to massive unrest across Pandora as different tribes take the news differently, while the original Archaeologist determines if Eywa was made, then whoever made it is out there, possibly doing the same thing on multiple planets; sparking a sort of 'System Rush' as ships are hastily built to chart the entire galaxy.

Or maybe Na'vi that isolate the genetic traits that let them interface with animals, and patent that to invent a communication device that interacts with any and all organic life.

Something besides the usual pro independent hippies or gun loving auxiliary that tends to happen in these human empire situations.
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>>63983357
carbon fiber bones?
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>>63968324
Drop rocks until everything is dead, then harvest all resources. An attempt at peaceful mining was attempted, it failed, now they die.
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>>63968431
Is that Loss?
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>>63997880
His job was explicitly to make sure that they leave, the biologists weren't the ones who hired him.

Jake should have spent his time educating the locals about humans and why it's important that they leave as well as the very real consequences of what will happen if they don't. Jake did the exact opposite and went complete native rather than acting as a bridge.

Bad PR is bad PR but someone has to keep the lights on.
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>>64005964
>why it's important that they leave
There's zero way this can be explained to them other than "we nearly killed our planet through reckless industrialization and to fix it we have to do the same to yours because it's you or us". To say nothing of the fact the company only wants to knock down their ancient spiritual hub because it's sitting on a conveniently large deposit of the metal. It's really hard to be a "bridge" when one side is so uncompromisingly exploitive on its agenda.
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>>64003934
I like both of those, they open up interesting new possibilities while still retaining core na'vi culture.
Like in the first case the na'vi might become great explorers as they are searching for what created Eywa. In the second case they'd probably be great diplomats since they can easily communicate with anything, including things humans can't communicate with at all
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na'vi males are the epitome of straight masculinity, skywomen wet themselves at the mere look at a na'vi man
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>>63999957
this is pretty normal human behaviour
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>>64007237
no it's almost universally condemned and deemed both illegal and immoral
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>>63996009
And that's how Avatar became the prequel to Eclipse Phase.
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>>64007031
>na'vi males are the epitome of straight masculinity
They have vaginas growing out of the back of their heads
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>>64007336
human history begs to differ. even right now only the most developed of the world's countries act as you say, while they enjoy a life of relative luxury due to the exploitation of labour and resources abroad. That includes literal slavery btw
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>>64006055
>lets not turn this rape of nature to a murder of indigenous species.jpg
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>>64007336
>no it's almost universally condemned and deemed both illegal and immoral

Yet we continue to do it millennia after millennia. It's almost like people enjoy the sausage, but don't like how it's made.
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>>63999957
>profiteer off an energy crisis
That's a load of bullshit, Earth in Avatar is in no ways in an energy crisis. Look at what we know earth is upto:

1. Has constructed a vast laser battery somewhere in the solar system, used for propelling ISVs away from solar system and slowing down ISVs coming into the solar system, in both cases dealing with relativistic speeds. There are at the minimum 8 ISVs in service with more under construction

2. Able to synthesise macroscopic amount of anti-hydrogen, used to power ISV anti-matter annihilation engines to slow down at Alpha Centauri as well as speed up to depart Alpha Centauri, in both cases again dealing with relativistic speeds

3. Has mastered fission reaction to such a degree that reactors can be built into nuclear turbojet engines for Valkyrie shuttles, fully shielded so the craft doesn't before a hot zone, can carry passengers and can even work in closed cycle rocket mode in space.

4. Has mastered fusion reaction. If not by containment then by anti-matter catalysed reactions as seen in ISV engines

5. Has developed low bandwidth FTL communications using quantum entanglement

Other than the fact that Earth's environment was ruined to reach this point this seems like a technological utopia to me. And even then, people on earth are now working hard to try to restore the environment, as seen with cloning extinct tigers.
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>>64007933
So Earth is at it's shittiest point with a beautiful future to look forward to. I like that and the implications.
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>>64007933
Dude, a suicidal cripple with a furry fetish said the world was fucked, so who are you gonna believe, facts or this guys feelings?
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>>64007696
>long domination-tentacle covered in hair
>vagina

???
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>>64008017
Yes, plus consider the implication. Right now when the movie happens they're still in fairly early stages of colonising other nearby stars. If the decision was made to actually put down roots on Pandora and grow it beyond a mining operation then construction of a laser battery at Alpha Centauri would start. Once the laser battery is completed you now can travel between Earth and Alpha Centauri without using the anti-matter engines (and thus needing no unobtanium in construction of ships) as both end of the trip will be powered by laser. Without the need for engines and fuel and whatnot the ships that can make this trip would be able to carry much much more payload.

Enough to say, send over an invasion force / colonising fleet.

And of course for whatever reason if you need to fight on the ground you could always call down wrath of god first using your orbital laser battery if it's not busy. Turning that forest and everything else in it into ash to make the job easier for the boots on the ground.
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>>63976171
Because its a fucking legitimate afterlife, you dolt. Imagine if the afterlife was a actual, legitimate place that existed; nobody would wanna risk the possibility that death is just a big black void.
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>>63968324
Well the Pandora area at Disney's animal kingdom is the canonical end point for the series, it's stated to take place after any of the other sequels have happened, the implication being that years of hard work and mistakes and tragedy have payed off in full to bring about proper cooperation, hell a part of the planet has made itself breathable to unmasked humans
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>>64008099
na'vi are for protecting and helping, not killing. With those lasers in place there's no reason to antagonize the na'vi by destroying their homes and forests
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>>64008175
Yes of course, assuming they don't cause trouble.
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>>64008157
>Imagine if the afterlife was a actual, legitimate place
I mean it already is and it's not linked to a glorified biocomputer, but you raise a very good point. There are very much real and living minds inside those networks and to clear them would be to consign.... an admittedly nebulous but unforgivibly tragic number to permanently death
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>>64008175
Still, room temperature superconductor is very useful. Just because travel between Earth and Pandora is all laser powered doesn't mean ISVs are not needed elsewhere for other stars.
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>>63968324
Reposting from older threads:
If I were to write an Avatar setting, I would go for an attempt a symbiosis.
Imagine this, Eywa balance everything on Pandora, it's the ultimate synthesis of everything on the planet: everything is safe on a species scale. It's a solution to the issue of survival through symbiosis.
And then the humans came. They are not just a threat in themselves, they are the realisation that Eywa is a big fish in a small pound (or maybe the small pound itself but whatever). Maybe Eywa "realised" through contact with humans (maybe when Jake connected?) that its survival was at stake for the first time in Eywa knows how long. Humans, but also any cosmic disaster could erase Pandora and Eywa when it thought itself eternal. It rediscovered the need to spread to insure survival, this time at a galactic level.
After chasing of the immediate threat, I could see Eywa going back to its usual method: symbiosis. It need the humans to travel the stars, so it has to offer them something in return. Now the humans have ecological issues, something Eywa is very good at regulate.
So I could see an attempt at a deal between humans and Eywa: humans spread its sprouts and Eywa child act as biosphere control.
Striking the deal could be a movie in itself.

The rest of the series is then about teams of humans scientists and na'vi shamans trying to grow baby Eywa. With various success as each Eywa is going to be a different non-individual.
But also different ecosystem (polluted developed worlds, new colonies on a barely habitable planet, worlds with their own non-sapient lifeforms...), different teams and methods, different issues...
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>>64008099
Then the answer is obvious.

Set up Pandora as a holiday resort + nature preserve accessible only via avatars controlled from orbital installations. Mercilessly mine the other lifeless moons and rocks in the system.

Make badass hybrid organisms and cultivate a new Eywa for the rejuvenation of Earth.

Humanity becomes slightly godlike.
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>>64008017
Definitely
There's a youtuber called Isaac Arthur that gives a good look of a future that is genuinely wonderous, here's a couple playlists from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6mRjsxQQJE&list=PLIIOUpOge0Lv9Y_4Vmcgaxue0jyZG3_4K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqKQ94DtS54&list=PLIIOUpOge0LufQYxcfYVqcVQOFOHFynMl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmFOBoy2MZ8&list=PLIIOUpOge0LsIzYlIAIRdAGJTqAW6FmCE

and if you want some pure meth engineering, here's his things that make anything in popular fiction look like fucking jokes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlmKejRSVd8&list=PLIIOUpOge0LtW77TNvgrWWu5OC3EOwqxQ

Smile lad, Utopia is inevitable
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>>64008239
There are probably a lot of really good real estate in Alpha Centauri system because both stars are similar to Sol in size and age, so they have two good sized habitable zones. Plus the two stars are so close that a laser battery at one would be a double whammy able to service interstellar ships for both stars. Hell if you build a large primary laser array at A and then a smaller one at B you could have little dingy laser propelled spacecrafts travelling between the two like sailing boats.
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The movie is pretty bad. They always make movies of shitty books.
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I think we can all agree on the fact that pandora would get absolutely shat upon by a single Regiment of Catachan Jungle fighters or DKoK siege force

Let's see the blue monkeys try to counter an armoured lance of Leman Russ demolishers
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>>64008366
They would get shat on by regular earth troops easily if Earth had ships that could do warp travel and bring in whole armies.
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>>64008199
this goes well with some of the things discussed earlier ITT such as human/na'vi cooperation and na'vi spaceships with Eywa-sprouts growing inside them
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>>64008390
>Vietnam in planet form

Try again amerimutt, you'll not get far before the trees start speaking
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>wanting to hurt na'vi
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>>64008408
>Vietnam
It would be a Vietnam if humans go out of their way to try to NOT kill na'vi on the ground. If you just don't care and fully utilise the advantage that the orbit gauge gives you it's not much of a contest, even if it's distasteful.

Being in orbit is the ultimate high ground.
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>>64008408
>Vietnam was a bunch of farmers may-may

It's funny how we always forget that things like Vietnam and Afghanistan were proxy wars, meaning while the super-power was fighting a smaller nation, that nation was being supplied by the other super-power(s). You really think Taliban could have defeated the Soviets without the US dumping millions worth of armaments to them, including surface-to-air missiles and anti-tank weapons? You think North Vietnamese didn't get training and military aid from China and Soviet union? You think ISIS today isn't supplied with weapons and equipment by factions interested in keeping the fire stoked?

The Na'vi got barely any military as is. Any aid they'd be getting would be hard to get to them and wouldn't go unnoticed. If there's no ability or interest in helping the Na'vi, then there's nothing stopping the military.
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>>64008199
> Eywa-seed project 1
Test phase of the project on a barely habitable planet. The objectives are to better understand Eywa-type consciousness and terraform the world. Also cultural clash between men and na'vi. Hell could be on Mars if not already fully terraformed.

> Eywa-seed 2
Second phase of the test, this time in a small inhabited colony. More humans-na'vi relations, this time with people that aren't necessarily on board with the project.

> Eywa-seed 3
Rushed to solve Earth ecological issues. Lot of political troubles arise as the project try to implant an alien superconsciousness right into mankind earth. Much more cultural clash as na'vi discover what humans have made of Earth, first in a bad way, but maybe also in a good way? Also Earth issues aren't going to be solve overnight, the team have to deal with the limits of their actions.
Later we will see what an urban Eywa could be, as well as some na'vi breaking from their traditions.

> Eywa-seed 5
New test to try to colonise more unusual worlds. Take your pick of weird sci-fi environment and have the team and their Eywa-child struggling against it. People being brought together by adversity, that kind of things.

> Eywa-seed 6
Send to basically Catachan in hopes of taking over a dangerous biosphere despite opposition within the team. Bad things happen and the project is lost. What happen when Eywa-type consciousness go feral?

> Eywa-seed 9
The project quickly end up in an impasse: the target world suffered a terrible disaster and is absolutely inhabitable now. It's the beginning of the first permanently space-based seed.

> Eywa-seed 11
As the project start being more routine, a seed is taken to colonise a newly reached world. Despite this, it's already inhabited by unforeseen residents. Will the team be able to reach those unknown beings? Will we be able to achieve symbiosis yet again?
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>>64008963
> Eywa-seed project 1
This is highly dangerous and experimental and would be done in a small, fully controlled environment.

So imagine a medium sized asteroid, 10-20km in diameter, roughly spherical, covered by a fully encompassing dome (or more accurately a shell around it). Filled with air to 1 atmosphere pressure. Gravity would be so low humans without wings can just flap their arm and 'swim' through the air. Surface area is small enough that Pandora forest would be able to cover the entire surface in relative short period. Trees in low gravity would be grow to vast height, it would be a tiny green world in space.
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>>64009118
sounds comfy
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>>64008423
>not wanting to hurt the Na'vi
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>>64009482
Yes very, imagine several 1km tall tree growing on a 10km rock. It would very much feel like a world tree floating through space.
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>>64008963
Adding a crashed one on a desert planet because reasons.
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>>64007933
The expanded material did confirm the unobtanium was necessary for some kind of crisis on earth. But regardless, your points only make the company's naked profit-seeking at the expense of the Na'vi all the more unethical.
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>>63988034
>>The filter can apparently be regenerated by running it under warm salty water.
>what about pusy juice?

>You will never be trapped deep in the jungles of Pandora, left wholly reliant on the mercy of a haughty Na'vi huntress to stay alive
>She will never hold everything she can over you, food, shelter, safety, and even the air you breath, forcing you to metaphorically, and at least if you want something warm and salty to clean your air filter, literally please her, all while she teases and taunts you about how she has one of the mighty sky people tamed as her pet
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>>64010154
>>64008963
> Each seed develop a different biosphere adapted to its environment.
> Forest is the usual giant trees
> Another is all about flowers
> Another is full mushrooms
> The rogue one go full sea of corruption
> Desert is a network of very small desert plants with deep roots, with oasis nodes for animals and desert na'vi
> Urban one is organic optical fiber
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>>64010326
It's more people don't really think that hard about what being an interstellar civilisation means.

If your tech level is high enough you can build interstellar ships, it means lots of problems back home a trivial to solve:

>global warming
Solar shade between earth and the sun, to reduce the overall solar radiation earth receives

>too many people
Colonise and terraform other worlds, space colonies

>animals gone extinct
Recreate them from scratch, it's easier than engineering something like avatar.
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>>64010491
>it means lots of problems back home a trivial to solve
Well I mean, the company in Avatar wasn't interested in solving any problems. The head of operations on Pandora made no reference to this. He just reminded Dr. Ripley of the massive per-kilo profit margins to be had and the fact the Na'vi holy place was sitting on the most immediately convenient source of it within proximity to the base. How anyone looks at this and thinks the humans are the good guys baffles me.
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>>64010540
>massive per-kilo profit margins
You don't actually know that. We know it sells for 20 million dollars a kilo yes, but we don't know how much it costs to mine and process and send a kilo of it back home. Judging by the hostile biosphere they have to work in and all the starships requires to support this operation it's not cheap.

They are mining a resource that's apparently critical to earth. And the head guy is not so heartless that he always reach for the stick first. He tried to find a peaceful solution with the resources he has. In fact he was more restrained in using the military option than Miles.

At the end of the day if I have to choose between humans and na'vi, I choose human every time.
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>>64009867
...and then we put solar sails on it so it can use the lasers to travel
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>>64010624
Imagine if we discovered a massive supply of crude oil underneath the Vatican, bigger than ever recorded in history. Would you brand Catholics as villains for not wanting you to bulldoze their church to extract it?
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>>64010661
No, but I would eventually force them (at gun point if necessary) to move if they refuse any offers in negotiations and that oil is critical to the survival of human species.
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>>64010686
>that oil is critical to the survival of human species.
Well I guess it's a good thing it's never implied the unobtanium is critical for that, other than in expanded sources.

There's also the fact the deposit under the Na'vi tree is not the only source. Just the largest and closest to where they built the base. The company isn't interested in helping anyone, they just want to make money in the easiest way possible.

Personally, I think if you're so dependent on a specific resource you're going to great lengths to murder people for it then you should really reevaluate your society. The humans in this story have mastered interstellar travel and can project a military occupation force across literal lightyears, yet their circumstances are so dire they can only save their planet by destroying someone else's? Give me a break. The humans are the villains. Not I didn't say humanity was the villains. But the specific humans running this profit-driven stripmining operation absolutely are.
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>>64010794
I always imagined that douchy guy in charge getting fired when he gets back to Earth around the same time the footage of what happened does, he's fired for the utter PR nightmare he's given the company and even facing jail time for corruption, ethical breaches and needless endangeentry of employees
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>>64010899
Avatar would've been way better if it was like District 9, where the situation is clearly communicated as extremely ethically difficult for everyone involved and the humans are shown to be in a lot of disagreement in how things are going. I remember when Wikus's father-in-law chewed him out for letting too many aliens get killed because it got the rights groups on their ass.

Of course, that was never the point. People point at Avatar's simplicity and say it's proof Cameron is a terrible filmmaker. I think the opposite is true. He's an absolute fucking genius filmmaker. Just he's the kind of cynical money-driven genius who knows how to exploit dumb people for profit.
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>>64011012
Reposting from old threads again:
Just have the bad things happen not because Quarrich and his boss are greedy evil assholes by nature, but because of a corporate structure built to deny responsibilities.
So you would have Parker distance himself from Quarrich methods, saying he only asked him to "secure" Pandora operations and not to genocide the natives. And Quarrich would answer that given the tools he was given there were no other way to accomplish Parker's demand.

Parker pressure Quarrich for results without bothering to be concerned with the methods, Quarrich is forced to deal with constraints without questioning the objectives.
Parker is willingly ignorant of the situation for his own convenience, Quarrich goes full "I was only following orders".
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>>64011100
Well yeah, generally the answer to making a simple movie more interesting is giving it nuance. Parker is a greedy asshole and Quarrich is a violent racist. That's all they are.

My issue is these threads bring out posters who don't want nuance, they want the exact same story except the humans really are good guys for being recklessly, violently exploitative of other people for their own gain.
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>>64011136
And in both cases the attitude just shuts down any sort of productive discussion, same as "HERESY!" Posters
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>>64011136
Yeah it's annoying, but I'm not going to chase the "kill all aliens" from those threads so the only answer I have to that is trying to make a setting more interesting.
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>>64011396
Well the setting is plenty interesting. At least the human stuff was. While I hate the "purge the blue treeniggers" crowd I'm anything but a Na'vaboo. I was most invested during the human parts because it all looked so cool while the Na'vi segments were just them traipsing around this weirdass Disney cartoon. The problem is the movie's plot is driven by obvious stereotypes of negative human behavior acting against a peaceful idyllic native population quite deliberately made to force sympathy out of idiots. The movie is really fucking creepy because it's clear James Cameron had an almost scientific approach to how he could get as much money as possible out of this playtest for his new cameras.

I think Plinkett said it best when discussing the military actors:
>"Apparently despite two hundred years and the discovery of interstellar travel the military hasn't moved past the 18th Century mindset in terms of cultural understanding. For one that's kind of insulting to the military today, and two it's just a little too easy an convenient"
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>>64011468
I think OP and
>>64003934
have a good idea on how to make the setting interesting.

Make them a sort of backwater colony for a human empire, where the skypeople live literally in the sky (orbital stations). They keep a more hands off approach and let the Na'vi come to them to trade, either raw materials the Na'vi themselves mine or luxury goods, like Na'vi 'cultural artifacts' 'in exchange for Imperial credits. A paltry sum of those credits translates to wealth and luxury to anyone who owns that money, so Na'vi locals will bend over backwards for a single credit chit. While it leads to cultural stagnation in some parts, it also leads to a drive to excel, as the strongest and brightest are taken offworld by a patron to be educated/trained by an Imperial overseer and the family compensated immensely. As for the chosen, they may do it because of the money it gives their family, because they want to escape and see the galaxy for themselves, for the opprotunities to learn what they would never know on Pandora, or maybe a few that genuinely want to protect the aloof empire they are part of.

On the human side you have the usual collection. The pro-Na'vi that go native and try to absorb as much as they can about the race's culture, possibly even taking an Avatar and disappearing into the bush, the sneering Imperial that sees them as primitives only good for how much money passes through the station from their trade, the curious tourist that learns all they know from a pamphlet and never actually seeing a local that hasn't been extensively trained, the cold veteran that looks over recruited Na'vi that are to become part of an auxilliary corps, and the Navaboo that wants to have sex with one.
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>>64012639
I like this, I'd go even harder on that most retain their traditional world-view even if they know and accept the humans. But they'd probably not consider themselves human subjects.
A small number of na'vi pursue higher human-styled education even if most go in school a couple of years to learn to write and read, basic math, some human language etc.
Seeing na'vi outside of Pandora is rare but if you they are often well educated and have important jobs.
If we assume that they have some sort of representation (which depending on what sort of empire this is they may have) it could be a council of matriarchs on Earth that are deemed to have a particularly deep connection with Eywa and have a good understanding of the needs of the na'vi and statemanship. In general they keep pretty quiet as long as the discussion isn't about Pandora or na'vi colonies (assuming they have those). Despite this they are loyal to the humans when conducting diplomacy with other aliens as the humans have proven themselves willing to understand the na'vi and Eywa
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>>63968324
That gun is silly. Jerry rig a heavy machine gun or autocannon into a Na'vi portable personal weapon. Actually I guess it's not silly enough.
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>>64013767
>>64008963
What kind of other aliens are there in this universe?
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>>64017377
well I imagined the typical generic space opera cast, but thining about it in just this thread we have both a strogg-like offshoot of humanity and aliens who created Eywa
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>>64019079
What about a race of hyper individualistic psychics to clash against the na'vi symbiotic relationships? They would find na'vi mind link braid terrifying.
Or the opposite, an hive mind race devoid of individuality to question the na'vi's hive mind with individualities.
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>>64019406
both of those are nice, they both put the na'vi into conflict with someone else than humans which explains why the na'vi stay in the fold so to speak
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>>64019920
Hmmm would Navi DNA guve any special power to xenomorphs?
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>>64019079
The precursors who engineered the Na'vi in the first place. After reading the Undying mercenaries series, I like to think the precursors aren't a single race, but a loose hegemony of races that had decided to engineer other races to be their thralls once properly uplifted. So they seeded sections of space with Eywa like bio-entities to foster sentient life with the intention of coming back to absorb the nascent race into the empire.

Problem is the hegemony broke out into war before that time. So now everyone else assumes those precursors are dead; but they are still swarming around the galactic core in immense fleets that blot out the sun, fighting a war that could annihilate the empire a hundred times over. A victor will emerge, and they will want to claim what they believe is theirs by right...
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>>64020566

Access to the planetwide hivemind
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>>64010326
ETHICS ONLY APPLIES IF SOMETHING IS HARMFUL TO HUMANS.

YEAH IM PEDANTIC.
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>>64021437
>ETHICS ONLY APPLIES IF SOMETHING IS HARMFUL TO HUMANS.
...Because humans are the only known species with sapience. If we encountered another race of beings with comparable cognitive abilities and a sense of self--which absolutely describes the Na'vi--then ethics would apply to them as well. Unless you're some kind of consequentialist HFY edgelord faggot
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>>64021523
You let me down son! So, you find yourself some local tail, and you just completely forget what team you're playin' for?
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>>64021671
>you just completely forget what team you're playin' for?
I know what team I'm playing for. It's the team which isn't murdering people to stuff some suit's pockets. Sir.
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>>64021696
Hey Anon... how does it feel to betray your own race? You think you're one of them? Time to wake up!
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>>64021523
So why should the Na'vi take priority over human needs? Would they give a piss about us if the tables were turned? They seem pretty murderous towards outsiders.
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>>64021696
I don't understand this mentality. The entirety of human history has been basically doing shit to line some <insert authority figure here>'s pockets, not matter what the system or ideology in place.
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>>64021772
>So why should the Na'vi take priority over human needs?
Why should the company's profit margins take priority over human needs?
>They seem pretty murderous towards outsiders.
Yeah people generally get mad when you try forcing them out of their home so you can demolish it and strip mind the ground underneath it.
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>>64021798
>The entirety of human history has been basically doing shit to line some <insert authority figure here>'s pockets, not matter what the system or ideology in place.
And that's a good thing? And in the case of the company in Avatar it's quite transparently "ruin these peoples' lives so mine can be better" without really any pretense of something else.
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>>64021810
>Why should the company's profit margins take priority over human needs?
You don't understand capitalism do you? Company makes profit precisely because they serve some sort of need in society. When a company makes a lot of money it means they are serving some desperate need of their society very well indeed.
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>>64021833
Better than chasing utopian ideals. That shit has killed more people than anything else, so why not go for the lesser, if more outwardly dickish option? At least the suits will turn tail once it's no longer cost effective.
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>>64021837
>When a company makes a lot of money it means they are serving some desperate need of their society very well indeed.
Or they're gouging their customers because they have a monopoly on the resource. Which is quite clearly the case in Avatar. Just because the material they provide *necessary* doesn't mean it's being harvested and distributed in a fair or practical way. Personally I don't think humanity needs the unobtanium that much if they're complacent with a private company funneling minuscule amounts of it to them at a massive per-kilo price. That or the Earth is in the dark about the situation on Pandora. Neither of these paint the company in particularly benevolent light and it's disingenuous to paint them as looking out for humanity's interests.

Also the philosophy of "we fucked up our planet and our only hope of repairing it is fucking up someone else's but who cares they're just retarded primitives" is appalling to anyone who isn't a tribalist edgelord. If humanity has developed the ability to project power across star systems then they probably can solve their problems without relying on a scant trickle of blood diamonds.
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>>64021948
>Or they're gouging their customers because they have a monopoly on the resource.
We don't know that, but even if that's true the solution to that is to encourage other competition to enter the market, not force some hippie regulation on a company who's a source of material critical to advancement of mankind.

And no, clearly earth is not in the dark about what happens on Pandora. The administrator guy explicitely states that shareholders like profit, but they also don't like it when blood is spilt. They believe in carrot and stick and tried carrot first. If they were actually edgelords they could do a lot worse, starting with say, Pandora version of Agent Orange.
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>>64022031
Hell, it'd be faster to just drop rocks or something equally apocalyptic. As unethical as the corporation seems, it's still kid gloves in terms of planetary warfare.
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>>64022031
> but they also don't like it when blood is spilt
Then they probably shouldn't have put a jackboot with massive chip on his shoulder against the entire planet in charge of security operations.

>not force some hippie regulation
What is with the retards on this site who think being adverse to reckless, consequentialist resource exploitation makes you some kind of limpdick granola faggot? There's nothing "hippie" about saying "maybe you should find a way to harvest your material which doesn't displace thousands of people while simultaneously trashing one of their most sacred cultural site".
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>>64022107
>What is with the retards on this site who think being adverse to reckless, consequentialist resource exploitation makes you some kind of limpdick granola faggot?

Because that sort of thinking shows up everywhere if you start to lend an ear to them.
>I don't want this skyrail going through my neighbourhood, I reckon it looks bad and blocks my view of the hills
>I don't want a long term nuclear storage built in my state, do it in someone else's backyard, or let power plants store it on site
>I don't want Thirty Meter Telescope built on my mountain top, it's sacred ground to my people
>I refuse to even negotiate with sky people, to even understand where they're coming from because my sacred tree

Sometimes you have to put the foot down or else things will never progress
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>>64022107
You know, you might get people to see your side of the argument more effectively if you'd stop insulting them. As for your comments, it is very likely Quaritch might have been the only person crazy enough to take the job. On paper, it is insanely dangerous; hostile natives and wild life on a planet with a toxic atmosphere, with a seven year wait on anything he needs from Earth. The talent pool at that point shrinks pretty quickly.
As for mining the material without being invasive, I can't think of a single method that wouldn't be prohibitively expensive or needlessly dangerous for the miners. There's also the fact that if they stopped to address your issues, that is probably an absurd amount of money that the company is sinking on a facility that would be giving nothing in return while they figured it out.
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>>64022203
Didn't the Yucca Mountain waste storage facility get cancelled for stuff like that?
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>>64022321
Yes exactly, that's the reference I was drawing on.
Telescope protest is a real thing too.
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>>64022303
>You know, you might get people to see your side of the argument more effectively if you'd stop insulting them
Get off your own dick you patronizing fag. I'm not gonna bother with civility on 4channel, especially when confronted with someone taking the position it's okay to murder people for their stuff as long as you say you need it more.

>There's also the fact that if they stopped to address your issues, that is probably an absurd amount of money that the company is sinking on a facility that would be giving nothing in return while they figured it out.
>boo hoo hoo not being ruthless assholes is haaaaaard
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>>64022377
The exploitation of Pandora and its resources is an inevitability. Whether it's right or wrong won't really matter if the need for unobtanium is great enough, and better it gets dug up while that question is still on people's lips than asking after the genocide.

Also, who do you think I was implying would get fucked by the facility becoming unprofitable? Sure, its management... and everyone below them. The research teams, the support staff, the miners, all of them would get laid off, shipped back to Earth with a pink slip. But I'm sure their involvement just makes them getting fucked over completely acceptable. Even the guys who just repaired toilets and kept the CO2 scrubbers functioning.
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>>64012639
This actually sounds more believable. A human empire would take a more hands off approach and let companies hire local help to mine the resources. If a tribe doesn't like it, well that tribe gets the boot via the other tribes that want those credits.

>Maynua I can respect your wish to preserve your dignity, but that dignity will not buy my entertainment suit with holobinding connection speed.
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>>64024008
I don't think the na'vi would be very interesting in mining what seems to be something that's very important for the moon. They would probably share and trade with things from the biosphere like plants which could have many different potential uses
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>>64024348
I don't think the Na'vi would be aware of its importance. As far as they know, the sky people hold value for it, and will exchange incomprehensible wealth in exchange for it.
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>>64024966
they'd hurt Eywa to get to it since they'd have to deforest large areas and dig huge mines. That completely clashes with their core values
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>>64019920
Eh, alien hunt on Pandora could be fun.
But thematically? Parasitic aliens vs symbiotic na'vi?

I admit I have a more star treeky vision of the thing, if I may say. Science and understanding are the best answer to whatever issues at hand.
The human-na'vi conflict on Pandora should be resolved by working together like in >>64008199 and both mankind and na'vi have to grow for that. And yes, Na'vi too: they have to challenge their worldview and that's gonna hurt.
So in my view, additional alien races will have to either oppose that symbiosis theme or contribute to it, or at least having the potential to do so.

Well, that would be my take on it at least. A more positive take, at least in the grand scheme of things, that most here I suppose.
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>>64025710
>Na'vi too: they have to challenge their worldview and that's gonna hurt.

there's a lot of things to work with her I think, especially if the humans aren't hostile but help the na'vi that ask for it. The ones that try to deny everything will lag helplessly behind as the human-friendly na'vi gain immensely on the cooperation and maybe even Eywa gets more symbiotic with the humans.
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>>64010377
I mean, I wouldn't complain
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so if na'vi are a part of a human empire, do they have their own ships? Do na'vi serve on human ships? Is there a na'vi navy?
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>>64021833
It's all fun and games until you starve to death because of some alien's religious beliefs are more important than the lives of billions of people.
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>>64030460
nobody on Earth is going to starve to death due to lack of unobtainium
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>>63983585
This diagram is kinda interesting, the humans are trying to show what cane be made out of the tree, in this case homes, but the navi would argue it already is a home and doesn't need alteration. This is the core conflict, there isn't really much to offer them from civilization that they can't write off as superfluous
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>>64031028
They don't really go into what it's for. It might be the only clean energy source Earth has, or could be the crux of interstellar travel.
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>>63972742
And the murder of entire settlements totally stopped Imperialism right?

Pandora's gonna get the Congo Free State treatment.
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>>64031737
I don't think na'vi were as extreme in their view as you make it. They were fine sending their kids to that school that the scientists use to run to lean English for example, and that was made out of wood.

They can be pragmatic.
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Reminder that Quaritch would've easily won if the plot didn't require him to be retarded
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I wonder what queue sex feels like.
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>>64031932
the na'vi don't mind human knowledge and interaction, but they don't want to be told they're wrong. Especially when they consider the human to "not see" and be horrible close-minded.
The problem here is that I don't think the na'vi were especially good at expressing that in a way the humans understood. Like when Neytiri first talks to Jake and he's just confused
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So from this thread what we have is;

Year is ~2274.

Earth is still a political and national cluster fuck and although humanity has never been stronger it has also never been so reliant on technology. Earth is all but dead. There are plans to correct this that are just starting to happen due to advances in extremophile engineering making it cheap enough to bother with. Genetically reconstructed animals have been a thing for years but only as a curiosity.

There are interstellar colonies, most of them privately owned by former chairmen of mega-corps needing something to spend their retirement funds on. They are essentially extraterrestrial nations. Some have stopped answering phone calls, travel to them is officially forbidden by every nation that matters but Earth Law effectively stops once you get past the Far Orbit Outposts.

Limited FTL communication is a thing but FTL travel isn't. At least not yet.

Early stages of cultivating Hybrid Eywa's for use in accelerated terraforming.

Na'vi and Humans are getting along well in the spirit of Jolly Cooperation with a small but not insignifican Na'vi minority on Earth and a some Humans who went looking for a new life on Pandora.

One of the Dark colonies is essentially The Strogg and are coming back to fuck everyone up.

At least one of the colonies has been over run by Xenomorphs. It is known that the xenomorphs are sapient and are smart enough to use Earth-Tech.

There is some speculation that there is a precursor species as both the Xenomorphs and the Na'vi (and by extension their ecosystem) are at least theorized to be engineered.
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>>64029255
Who would?
>TFW no tall, blue space cat to tease and taunt you as she easily manhandles you, forcing your head between her thighs as she orders you to lick
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What if Jake's avatar was female and that fact was withheld from the him.
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>>64032721
>she orders you to lick
>b-but miss fierce huntress the mask is in the way
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>>64032721
>>64033150
Take your cringey ERP to /soc/ or discord or some shit, goddamn
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>>64025333
The Sky people hurt it. So the new approach is to let the Na'vi find a way to harvest it without harming Eywa. The first generation will grumble, but since the Sky People aren't treading on anyone's toes anymore, they are less inclined to fight about it. As money starts flowing in to allow some tribes a better standard of life than others, others will want in on that dough. They will follow those tribes and start to mine the rock for the Sky people, and the 'cries of Eywa' slowly become a secondary priority.

The influx of money allows the better off to buy things they cannot get on their world, from luxury goods to essentials that vastly improve their overall health.

Competition between tribes over who gets the lion's share of the payout will be encouraged by the Sky people as more and more tribes want the 'Sky gifts'. Wars break out between the tribes until a new hierarchy is established that sees only the Sky-friendly tribes on top of all others. Thus in the end the Sky People conquer Pandora without firing a single shot
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>>64033368
>from luxury goods to essentials that vastly improve their overall health

You know what we should sell to na'vi? Good old firewater.
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>>64030407
Doubtful the Na'vi have anything really complex. In this case Pandora is a backwater, and there are few trade goods aside from unobtainium to promote growth. The wealthiest would probably have the equivalent of an obsolete model aircar.

More likely they would sell themselves as mercenary auxiliaries to complement the human military as that would get the Pandoran regional government a huge payout.

>>64032493
Yeah more or less. Humanity is starting its own little star empire despite not having the tech to really sustain one.
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>>64033411
Parker stated they tried over and over to sell luxury items to the Na'vi in exchange for land rights but the Na'vi just don't want anything the humans have. I guess that's a product of the fact Na'vi are neurologically linked to their natural world so bartering with them for mining territory is like someone saying he'll give you beer for your arms. This plays a big part in the movie's narrative convenience (a deliberate element because Cameron wanted stupid people to give him money) but it also makes it seem like Jake and the rest of the Avatar pilots got assimilated into some Borg collective LARPing as blue Injuns.

I still maintain pic related is best example of "guy joins tribe to fight army" stories I've seen. Avatar probably would've been more fun if it was like this.
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>>64010377
No, the 'juices' are a lot more than just salt water. You'll just gunk everything up and kill yourself faster
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>>63975828
A visionary, but too little, too late.

Earth needs the unobtanium and biological data from Pandora. There's no time to build trust and peacefully and equitably extract it. It's us or them. Sad, but that's the way it is.

>>63968324
Client species, protected on natural reserves or allowed limited auxiliary roles on human ships and colonies. Any who resist are bombed- Well they're already in the stone age, I guess.
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>>64033551
>Parker stated they tried over and over to sell luxury items to the Na'vi in exchange for land rights but the Na'vi just don't want anything the humans have.
Land Rights. That's the problem. They should have traded for the rocks the Na'vi brought to them. Start smaller, and start competition between tribes. Offer different incentives to different tribes to incite jealousy and keep them from uniting against them. Let them fight each other for the right to trade, let them start bloody wars with each other. By the time Earth starts putting real boots on the ground, the survivors will be begging them to stay.

Parker and his company wanted too much too quickly.
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>>64033680
From what it sounds like not really. It was a corporation that needed unobtanium for their profits. This setting assumes Earth gets it from other sources as well, and that Pandora is a curiosity that adds a client species into their civilization.
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>>64020959
That would mean they'll start shaping themselves and other species.
Alien waifus, for xenomorphs. They'll of course get rid of the inefficient dying process that's a part of their breeding. They'll give themselves lures, and they can't go on without some empathy.
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>>64033742
>From what it sounds like not really. It was a corporation that needed unobtanium for their profits
There are some expanded sources which state the unobtanium was crucial for some clean energy initiative on Earth. HFYfags use this as the ultimate "gotcha" for why exterminating the Na'vi is just, but personally I think it just makes the corporation even more ethically suspect.

>>64033708
>Parker and his company wanted too much too quickly.
A sad reality of running an interstellar mining operation. Even at the exorbitant price they could sell the magic rocks for there was zero way it was a cheap undertaking.

To Parker's credit he did genuinely seem troubled by the escalation but that's probably mostly to do with the fact Giovanni Ribisi is a criminally-underrated actor.
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>>64033834
>HFYfags use this as the ultimate "gotcha" for why exterminating the Na'vi is just
It's not 'just'. It's just necessary. It wasn't at first, but then Colonel fucked it all up with his attack and then DIDN'T EVEN MANAGE TO WIN AGAINST A BUNCH OF NEOLITHIC TRIBESMEN! Now they'll NEVER trust us (not that their stupid damn tree keeping them all essentially children left much chance of that in the first place), so I guess we HAVE to take the thing we need to survive by force.
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>>64033834
Parker seems like a decent person. The scientists were kind of dicks to him. The company pays for the Avatar program primarily so they can act as human reps to keep up relations with the natives. But the scientist team is too interested in doing science on local biology than carrying out their primary role. Even so Parker doesn't shut them down or anything, just yells at them from time to time to ask for results.
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>>64033539
>More likely they would sell themselves as mercenary auxiliaries to complement the human military as that would get the Pandoran regional government a huge payout.

well Pandora will probably never have a unified government who matters. But I could absolutely see na'vi mercenaries being very popular once the human space empire has grown.
Maybe a company on a human colony has huge problem with worker strikes so they hire a na'vi mercenary company to force the workers back to work. Something the actual human military would never do and human mercs may get squeamish about.
Really any mission were it might not be best to send humans it could be cheaper and better to send na'vi, even if they won't be nearly as well trained
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>>64033834
>There are some expanded sources which state the unobtanium was crucial for some clean energy initiative on Earth.
Yeah but I'm talking in regards to the /tg/ setting, the one that doesn't run on pure retard fuel.
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>>64033997
>unobtanium was crucial for some clean energy initiative on Earth.

>Earth can manufacturer a non-trivial amount of anti matter fuel
>Solar system have a laser system that can push ships to 0.7c
>needing clean energy
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>>64033952
Parker was probably the most complex character in that movie. On one hand, he was quite openly racist, referring to the Na'vi as savages and tree monkeys. But on the other hand he looked legitimately tortured when he gave the order to knock down their tree. He could've just been posturing with the slurs but it still implies some level of refusing to understand them. Though it doesn't help the scientists apparently were never able to figure out the Na'vi's connection to the land was far more than just pagan voodoo nonsense until the 11th hour came around.
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>>64033368
if they can mine in a completely sustainable way without hurting Eywa or going against their own morals they might. If not it's not going to happen simply because it's detrimental to Eywa (who also handles stuff like inter-clan conflicts and keeps the na'vi mostly at peace)
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>>64032752
I had this idea once but decided not to pursue it because I didn't have enough material to work with to make a good story
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>>64034041
Exactly. Hence why I said the /tg/ setting, the one attempting to fix the shitty movie version. In that one, unobtanium is just another resource fueling the expanding industry of a young empire. Valuable yes, crucial not so much...
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>>64034041
It's hollywood, ignorance of science is a virtue there
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>>64034064
Likely they can. If Eywa is so all encompassing, they should have a way of consulting with Eywa to find veins that can be extracted that won't harm it.
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>>64034112
The clean energy thing was just some bullshit made up by licensed writers for EU stuff. Cameron made it pretty clear corporate greed was the primary motivator for the mining operations. Because he knew villains like that sell really well.
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The big thing is that the whole planets ecosystem reeks of designer life. Natural evolution doesn't produce anything this harmonious, someone tinkered to make the planet this way and stay this way. What I'm asking is, who made Eywa?
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>>64034231
That is what is covered in >>64003934
and >>64020928
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>>64034211
Why do EU writers always seem to give more of a damn then others? I mean hell, I've seen multiple half way good comics based on the transformers movies that could have been great, until the next movie proceeded to shart over all their salvage work
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>>64034112
It just pains me that Cameron had some guys design the ISV, and they really poured their heart into it to the degree that you can actually infer a lot of world building details on the state of Earth and the Solar System just from looking at details of the ship, and then it was glossed over or plainly ignored in the movie and expanded canon.

The coolest part for me was how much of the ship was actually just heat radiators, and the movie bothered to show them glowing red hot as it pulls into Pandora orbit because the engines have recently completed their deceleration burn.
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>>64034269
>Why do EU writers always seem to give more of a damn then others?

Except the EU writer in this case wrote something that makes no damn sense and purely exists to try and salve over the actions of people in the movie when 'we want comical amounts of money' is an entirely legitimate human reason for most things.
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>>64032122
short answer: it depends but generally it's like a constant super-orgasm

Long answer: what's actually happening is that two people connect their brains together and gain direct access to all the others feeling, thoughts memories, sensory inputs etc (everything that goes on in your brain essentially). This may also bond them physically which means it can only ever be done with one other na'vi.
It also means that the bonded couple almost literally become one and get a extremely deep emotional connection to each other. Presumably it requires some mental digging to learn everything about the person you've bonded with or Neytiri would learn of Jake's betrayal the moment they bonded, but they probably thought about other things.
Additionally it makes sex feel double as good as you are experiencing your mates emotions first hand.
Finally it can only be done consensually and it requires Eywa's blessing or it will fail
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>>64034267
Ahhh I see, and with the other posts mentioning xenomorphs we even have a contender for who one of these races may have been.


Not to mention that could also mean Yuatja bopping about, hell maybe even the buggy boys from district nine give second contact a try?


Personally I love stories where second chances are a strong motif.
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>>64034269
Well, in this specific case it's because James Cameron is a cynical mercenary who used his genius to scam $2.7 billion out of moviegoers. Titanic was his real passion project and it showed. Avatar was a way he could experiment with his new cameras and get richer in the process.

>>64034269
>It just pains me that Cameron had some guys design the ISV, and they really poured their heart into it
He probably played a role in designing it himself. He's got a good eye for sci-fi stuff.

Also if it seems like I'm sucking James Cameron's dick it's because I am. Guy is probably one of the most brilliant living filmmakers right now.
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>>64032122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk
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>>64032752
I mean I see what you're getting at but that'll only work if Jake and his twin were also women since it's based on your DNA
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>>64034427
Does it matter though? Two na'vi women can probably still have queue sex.
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>>64034041
Earth was also apparently so polluted that the breathing masks you see on Pandora were adapted from ones in widespread use all across the planet.

Which is bullshit because if the biosphere is THAT FUCKED then nothing is saving the human race.
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>>64034472
of course they can, but Neytiri isn't a lesbian
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>>64034522
That's literately bullshit though, the movie opens with a shot of a street scene and only a few people were wearing mask.
You see more people wearing masks in China and Japan than you see in that scene.
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>>64034427

Klinefelter syndrome could cause some real fuckery there.
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>>64034522
What little we see and hear of Earth does certainly imply something bad is going down. Pointless long-running asymmetrical wars are still a thing (Jake lost his legs in Venezuela, Quarritch did two tours in Nigeria), and Jake's brother's corpse was packed in a literal cardboard box and jammed into an incinerator. But never once does anyone actually on Pandora claim the unobtainium is a way to solve these issues.
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>>64034362
I don't see why not.
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>>64034362
Oh yeah, the precursor thing is kept open ended so it is up to the imagination just who exactly is out there.
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>>64034282
The mere thought of avatar makes me ass shatteringly mad
it took an interesting concept and turned it into pure and absolute cancer, and corrupted a ton of side things with the cancer as well
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>>64034641
what syndrome?
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>>64036219
>Klinefelter syndrome
It makes you slightly retarded, but not cripplingly so, and gives you deformed penis and small testicles. Also some other lesser symptoms like bent little fingers and more likely to grow up lanky.
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>>64034401
The thing that surprises me is Jake cocked the dude who's supposed to marry Neytiri, he's probably even the childhood friend.

Then later on the dude was willing to fight shoulder to shoulder with him.

I would not have been that cool about it.
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>>64037909
Yes there was plenty of shit wrong with the movie, hence /tg/ setting is fixing it.
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>>64037909
>Then later on the dude was willing to fight shoulder to shoulder with him.
That wasn't until after Jake showed up riding what is for all intents and purposes a dragon around which there's a religious dogma explicitly stating the guy riding it is someone you need to listen to.
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>>64038436
Even so, if Jesus returned to earth then fucked my waifu while I was away, I'll still be bitter about it.
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>>64038588
Reminder that Sokka did the same in book 1.
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>>64041662
Sokka's "competition" was a dimwitted braggart who flunked his mission and even his betrothed's dad preferred the Southerner. That nigga was completely useless and the North repelled the siege without his help. He was not worthy of best girl and deserved to get cucked.
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>>64008278
Now we just need to not fuck it up for our successors somehow.
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>>64037909
hopefully the comic will explain that
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>>63998572
Australia's conservatives call themselves the 'liberals,' the Nazis branded themselves as socialists (while running an anti-communist campaign), political doublespeak isn't new.
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how common would na'vi-human pairings be? Both on Pandora and elsewhere?
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>>64045203
Not very, if queue sex is really that good.
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>>64031028
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>>64045254
they can only ever bond with one other person and it normally takes them years to pick a mate. Presumably they have shorter less serious relations before that
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>>64045311
So wait, if you're a widow you're fucked? (Or rather, not fucked as it were)
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>>64045336
you might, maybe you can bond with a new mate if the old one died (this probably isn't uncommon at all).
If not, well you can still have normal sex
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>>64045203
if we assume there are mixed na'vi/human spaceship crews I could see more open minded persons in those crews get friendly
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>>63968324
So realistically, after word gets back to humanity that the Na'vi fucked up their mining operation, what are the odds that the human race decides to pepper the planet with nuclear ordinance.
I'm going to give it 98%. Earth was apparently in dire need of that 'Unobtainium', and I doubt that more time would be wasted with further attempts at diplomacy.
>tl;dr The Na'vi doomed their species to death by nuclear hellfire the moment they allowed the defeated human forces to return to Earth.
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>>64049263
>after word gets back to humanity that the Na'vi fucked up their mining operation, what are the odds that the human race decides to pepper the planet with nuclear ordinance.
Close to zero. There are implications peppered all throughout the movie people back home actually hate seeing jackboots squishing blue necks and once the video of the Na'vi tree getting blown up surfaces people will probably wonder what we were even doing there in the first place.

The "earth dies without unobtanium" contrivance is never once alluded to in the entire actual movie. It was an afterthought; a retcon added in by people who didn't even write the film.
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>>64045203
On a ship they would inevitably mix. The different air needs would probably be taken care of with filters or revreathers so small they are barely noticeable to accommodate both parties.

There would be rules about humans staying out of the Na'vi portion of the ship and vice versa as the chambers for each race will be designed to accommodate one and not the other.

It will not stop the more curious elements or those who have an established booty call. The COs will overlook these minor infractions for the sake of morale and only step in when things get violent. Unless it's the linky kind of violent. Then they'll quietly send both to the infirmary.
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>>64049431
I though about the air problem, what's stopping humans from breathing pandoran air is that it's poisonous. They could probably fix a atmosphere that worked for them both on ships which would make a number of logistic matters much simplier
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>>64049355
Granted, it does seem that I can't find a scene that says that 'Earth is in danger without Unobtainium'. Only a scene which describes the tremendous value of the mineral, which should be sufficient motivation to drive the continued pursuit of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5UdUJBMdOc

Can you source your claim that:
>There are implications peppered all throughout the movie people back home actually hate seeing jackboots squishing blue necks and once the video of the Na'vi tree getting blown up surfaces people will probably wonder what we were even doing there in the first place.
Because I don't remember anything about that.
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>>64049639
Parker outright says his shareholders hate it when Na'vi blood is spilled because it's bad PR. I can't find a clip of the scene so you'll have to take my word for it but it's when he first meets Jake and explains to him the Home Tree rests on top of the massive deposit.

The energy crisis retcon never sat well with me because 1) corporate greed is a completely believable motivation and 2) nothing in the movie implies it's actually happening. The scientists would probably be less obstructive and prone to going native if there was something that urgent going on in the background. Most of them are treating Pandora like a playground while lamenting the mining ops.
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>>63970823
>this could have been the outcome if sulky sully had actually done his job
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>>64050007
no it's possible because he did what he did because otherwise he or Grace would never get into contact with Eywa who could kickstart everything
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>>64021523
You know, I've noticed a depressing lack of human supremacists in society. The fact that so many would value non-human interests above, and sometimes even at the expense of, human ones strikes me as utterly perverse and self-destructive.
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>>64050447
Its a reflection of progressive values
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>>64050447
Recklessly destroying shit for shortsighted profit gains is not a "human interests".
>>64050702
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> Recklessly destroying shit for shortsighted profit gains
Incorrect. There is nothing about that which precludes it from being in humanity's self interest.
While it may not be the utmost efficient approach, so long as the benefits to the species outweigh the detriments the action is most definitely one that serves our self-interest
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>>64051443
>so long as the benefits to the species outweigh the detriments the action is most definitely one that serves our self-interest
You have a really warped perspective of detriments and benefits if you think absolutely destroying an ecosystem for the convenience of people lightyears away is virtuous.

Likewise, if assuming the EU non-reason of "but Earth will die without the blood diamonds" is valid then by your own logic you should be dismissive of the company letting humans suffer for profit rather than going to bat for it.

But we all know you don't actually care about human interests. If you did then you'd know if you're looking at humanity as a whole then that means you value sapience and the right to live. Then there's zero reason to discount the Na'vi as they are just as sapient as we are. What it really comes down to is you're an autistic tribalist projecting IRL prejudices on the aliens.
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>>64046603
So, what kind of crews would we have to take care of Eywa's sprouts? What kind of people would be on board?
Again I'm picturing more of a Star Trek type of crew, with many scientists. But on the na'vi side, they need to bring people used to communicate with trees and stuff. Shamans?

> Old na'vi shaman granny who doesn't understand all those human things but just doesn't mind
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>You have a really warped perspective of detriments and benefits if you think absolutely destroying an ecosystem for the convenience of people lightyears away is virtuous.
I never said, or implied, that acting out of self-interest was virtuous. I said that such an act, provided it does not have a net negative impact on our species, serves the interests of humanity. To elaborate further, the suffering or destruction of any non-human entity is immaterial provided that it does not adversely effect humanity or its interests.

>Likewise, if assuming the EU non-reason of "but Earth will die without the blood diamonds" is valid then by your own logic you should be dismissive of the company letting humans suffer for profit rather than going to bat for it.
If the exploitation, suffering, or death of some humans is necessary to 'Save the Earth' and presumably the rest of mankind by extension, then it is most certainly in our species' self-interest as the benefits for humanity as a whole vastly out weigh the costs.

>But we all know you don't actually care about human interests. If you did then you'd know if you're looking at humanity as a whole then that means you value sapience and the right to live.
Explain how that logic tracks. How does 'valuing the sapience and right to live of non-humans' innately serve the interests of humanity.
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>>64052310
yes a well-educated and well-trained crew seems to be the best for those ships. This extends to the na'vi too of course.
While they'd need a matriarch or shaman to understand the sprouts this woman would be the best of the best. Having both a deep knowledge about the workings of Eywa and be a trained astronaut who knows her way around a spaceship. Most likely the "space-shamans" would have to be specifically trained and not recruited from the clans (where they serve an essential role they can't abandon anyway). This means they would be among the most well-educated na'vi.
On na'vi spaceships that have had a Eywa sprout grow all though it the ship will probably be captained by a shaman and there might very well be more than one on each ship to ensure proper function
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>>64052310
They would need a most minimal of security forces. The mission is essentially "go to a place with no people and do some gardening" .
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>>64052310
Specialists who are trained to deal with Na'vi stuff will be assigned to the Pandorans to help them deal with tech they don't get. Otherwise, a lot of it may just be automated to minimize contact between the two crews until needed.

Those sorts of scenarios may be something as dramatic as combat or as mundane as a promising Cat learning how to work the ship guns coming to the human side to learn fro the qualified gunners
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The crew is divided between:
> "Mom" team
Charged with keeping the sprout healthy and "raising" it. Na'vi shamans and human scientists specialised in biology mostly.
> "Epimetheus" team
In charge of monitoring the terraforming (Pandoraforming?). Lots of scientists of many specialities, and at least one guy thinking he's clever.
Not sure what na'vis could add here, but I could see most na'vi trying to learn stuff and becoming scientists themselves being here, because studying a sprout scientifically feel weird to them.
> Security team
Both humans and na'vi because having big hunters on your team can be useful on a new world. Humans are specifically chosen to be the smart kind of military men rather than random mercenaries. So less Quaritch, and more Samantha Carter.
May have an internal security branch, may do some exploration, may have to deal with potential terrorist threats because some people are afraid of opening the Pandora box.
> Support
All the other people you could expect in a colony and that I'm too tired to elaborate on.

Naturally, humans and na'vi tend to live separately and only work together, at least at first. Humans as a ship crew, na'vi as one of their community.
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>>63970823
Based SMAC poster
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>>63989673
guerilla marketing anon. There's been Avatar threads on the cesspool that is /tv/ for abut half a year now.
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>>63999957
Uh anon, are you aware of what the West is doing in the RDC or China is doing in Kenya? This is textbook human (or should I say capitalist :^)) behaviour.
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Here's a better question, what if instead Pandora was discovered by the other RDA? How would the Navi react to Volksraumschiff Erich Hoenecker descending on their moon?
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>>64055686
Who
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>>64055735
don't engage
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>>64055735
RDA is the acronym for the DDR in French.
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>>63983080
thats kind of the point though
the entire movie is Camerons re imagining colonialism but with blue space cats.
no idea if it was intentional (my guess is no) but the fact that we know so little about their culture puts the viewer in the position similar to what a European might have had when reaching Africa or the Americas
confused by seemingly primitive and aggressive natives



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